“It’s not even a banana tip tall.” This is the hard-hitting review journalism that I come to this channel for!

"Kickstarter is funded so it's safe" lol

@benson4820

2 жыл бұрын

Air umbrella flashbacks

@mrfixite

2 жыл бұрын

@@benson4820 Yeah me personally it's The Fort.

@dundeedideley1773

2 жыл бұрын

Literally no reason to buy onto Kickstarter once it's funded

@warbear0424

2 жыл бұрын

@@dundeedideley1773 you get it for a cheaper price when buying in through the Kickstarter

@FastSloth87

2 жыл бұрын

@@warbear0424 wait two months and it will be cheaper than the kickstarter, or copied by some random chinese brand and sold for half the price.

The title should clarify that this is not just a wireless keyboard, it's mechanical, that's why all the buzz

@creesch

2 жыл бұрын

I guess people just don't like the price, brand and/or switches but at least Logitech has had low profile mechanical keyboards available for a while. Including a TKL model, not 65% though. And I am fairly sure I have seen a few other brands with them as well?

@davidjameswales

2 жыл бұрын

I have two optical low profile keychrons and would buy them again over this.

@inlinesk8r477

2 жыл бұрын

@@creesch yeah I had a while ago a 50% or 40% keyboard that used choc switches from some brand. I would have to look up to find it because I used it for less than a week but keyboards like that exist for sure

@SeraphX2

2 жыл бұрын

@@creesch Hexgears X-1 is a Kailh-based LP switch (dunno why he acts like Gaterons are the only LP). Also, the Logitech LP keyboards use Kailh's as well.

@lorenzbeumers1601

2 жыл бұрын

it isnt it is optical

I am guessing they chose to place the characters directly over the led. Hence the off center.

@Xfade81

2 жыл бұрын

But the light gets diffused so it wouldn't matter too much right ?

@ErikHumphrey

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't they have centered the LED as well?

"is it an intentional decision that they kinda weighed it towards the top of the.. oh RGB" lmao

only clicky's is a major let down, especially if it is meant to be an alternative to a magic keyboard.

@hwytran

2 жыл бұрын

@@caramelfim2885 thanks for scamming me 😏

@spdcrzy

2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? Clicky is the ONLY way to go.

@InCtrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@spdcrzy not in an office

@spdcrzy

2 жыл бұрын

@@InCtrl WFH life bruh.

@InCtrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@spdcrzy I used to worship clickies, cherry mx blues etc. I implore you to try thocky switches, like boba u4t or holy pandas. They will change your life.

It would be nice to see lab1 some set-up to measure the force feedback on the keys themselves, like a hist-and-resis curve. Imho, those graphs does a better job telling how you would expect the keys to feel.

From the actuation point, optical switches are not faster. If they were, it's not something humanly perceivable anyways. The advantage of optical switches is that they can potentially be made very smooth. Of course, that doesn't mean they are smooth. It all depends on the mold quality, tolerances, the materials used and if there is lube or not. Low-profile switches are notoriously bad for key feel, which is why I suspect this keyboard is only available in a clicky version. It overpowers the rest of the experience when you're trying to get a feel for the switch.

@jayfair5465

2 жыл бұрын

literally no one gives a shit

@aazdu03

2 жыл бұрын

Well yes but actually no, the optical helps alleviate the bottleneck of the debounce delay needed for your keyboard to register one tap as actually one tap and not multiple because the small metal lip inside the switch bounces for a bit after the initial contact.

@poipoi300

2 жыл бұрын

@@aazdu03 Debounce doesn't affect registration speed. The way debounce works, is that as soon as the electrical threshold is met, it counts as a press. Then, any other input from that key is ignored for the delay duration, which is usually 10ms but could be lower or higher. Once that delay is over, the key state is checked again to see if it should be changed. What this limits is the maximum frequency at which keys can be registered. At 10ms, you would need to actuate the switch around 100 times in one second to be negatively impacted by debounce delays. I don't know about you, but I'm a decently fast key spammer and the fastest I can do is closer to 10 per second, not 100.

@jonasgrill1155

2 жыл бұрын

@@poipoi300 Yeah, even drag clicking on a mouse you can only get ~50-60cps max if you're really good at it. I don't think it's humanly possible to click 100cps.

@poipoi300

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonasgrill1155 I hadn't though of drag clicking, good one. Even though that doesn't reach the maximum frequency possible with debounce. I think it might be possible to miss some clicks, since at let's say 60cps, they're not timed at every 16.6ms perfectly. You might have 2 clicks much closer together in time than others over the whole second. Definitely interesting to think about. At that point I would say an input device like a wheel might be more preferable though hahaha.

2:43 James would like a word with you on your wrist extension typing posture.

This dude has been such a welcome addition to ShortCircuit.

@77payne

2 жыл бұрын

feels like watching unbox therapy in 2009

This channel has Seriously been so fun to watch. Keeping in mind that this channel was created after Linus thought if retirement, it has been a hell of ride and so much fun indeed. Keep up the good work LMG, you guys are the best in the community and thank you for making us learn new things everyday across all the different channels. Merry Christmas and a happy new year!

"You know what's thinner than 16mm?" Me: Yes. My patience.

why, in 2021, is the banana for scale thing coming into the channel? i feel like i went back 10 years

“You know what else is thin? A word from our sponsor” lol

I know clickies aren’t a thing for many people (I’m kinda neutral for all switch types) but I’ve also seen several reviews where low profile keyboards are actually preferred with clickies. Whereas tactiles and linears are said to be very underwhelming in low profile switches. Might give some low profile boards a try.

This 84 key layout is the best really. I do miss my "right click" between fn and ctrl, but yeah at least we can still right click with the mouse lol

I love how differently Jonathan looks at products

Since it's so small this would be great for integrating into a weird pc build like a small slide out tray or something for an htpc or cnc machines in a shop, a bit pricey for that tho

Every time you say "NuPhy" I don't think of keyboards. I hear "Newfie" and think of Atlantic Canadians.

what I noticed instantly was the box/presentation looks a lot like Keychron's, but its nicer looking on the inside. the stickers are a bonus in my book

This looks like the best of both worlds. Thin enough to carry in the laptop slot of your backpack, but mechanical. Are they making an ISO version?

Love these keyboard reviews!!!!

gotcha 15.1 mm is thinner than 16mm Thanks short circuit!

@jrk1

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor.

I’m really exited for this and I’m sad I missed the kickstarter price. This keyboard is exactly what I need for my windows computer. I miss my Mac keyboard

Would have been nice to see a comparison between this and the Keychron K3. Also, more keyboard content, please.

@AlexMercadoGo

2 жыл бұрын

The bottom row layout on this one is a lot better than Keychron, especially for MacBook users.

@haarismemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexMercadoGo out of curiosity, why do you say that?

@AlexMercadoGo

2 жыл бұрын

(1) The modified keys have better ergonomics if the spacebar is narrower because it's easier for the thumb to reach them; (2) I'm only able to do certain important keyboard shortcuts one-handing with an alt/option key on the right side; (3) my muscle memory is preserved from use on my Macbooks (and other Macbook-mimicking layouts like the Logitech K380); and (4) the Mac arrow clusters are a lot easier to find without looking than the K3 because there are gaps between them and the right shift key.

@BrianMcDonald

2 жыл бұрын

@@haarismemon I'm a k3 user and it always bugs me that there are so few mechanical keyboards that have the four keys to the left of space. If like me, you are used to using a MacBook keyboard or a small magic keyboard, it is annoying to have to deal with your FN key changing locations (99% of mechanical boards have three keys left of space), especially if you have a workflow that has a fkey implementation. The k3 would have been perfect for me if it had four keys left of space, especially, since it's more customizable than this one.

Keep giving us keyboard content but more custom stuff!!

“They only come in clicky’s” **puts away wallet**

I really like clicky switches, so I might consider picking up this keyboard at some point.

I love the whole LTT team, but I would like the shortCircuit team to look into the product a little bit more. Just having guesses about what the product might be able to do are leaving me with so many questions. Maybe thats the theme of this Channel, that It's not about information, just entertainment.

Well damn, they managed to make it thinner than the HP Elite keyboard! Though the Elite is a wege shape so it's probably around 10mm at the thinnest point. It also has more of a laptop style key-feel

Awsome! Having Nic here with his knowledge about keyboards is a nice addition to this channel. Also, I like how he let Jony Horst have it a go. A different perspective from another different user base. I love how it looks but being a clicky user myself I feel there's a disconnect between how 'sleek' it looks yes how 'noisy' it sounds.

@lefteris19

2 жыл бұрын

someone doesn't watch glarses 😜

@IoriTatsuguchi

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't sound like he did much of the research on the project or expected appeals, so I'd say the opposite (like guessing how many Bluetooth devices it can connect and whatnot). I won't say I can review any better though.

@user-wj1ru2xn6q

2 жыл бұрын

@@IoriTatsuguchi this whole channel is about minimum research. You get what was advertised.

Damn that editor really did Endless Clicking on this video!

Just last week got myself the Keychron K3 with hot-swappable optical clickys. The boxes were basically nearly copies of each other :D One thing that the Vissles has and the K3 doesn't have is a dedicated Insert button (K3 has the dedicated non programmable RGB button instead). But I do like the form factor and the design of both, perfect companion for the work laptop. (I'm even daily driving it now on my desktop just to get accustomed to use the layout).

@khatarin

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, even the leather carry case on the KS page is a carbon copy of the Keychron one :D

3:50 took this long to actually see the dam thing glad we can fast forward

Jonathan attention to detail is so fascinating 🔥

ABS is fine. While shine can be an issue and PBT holds up longer before there is an issue. The real problem is almost all off the shelf boards and especially those that support backlighting and RGB, is that they use painted Clear ABS and use laser ablation. This means that you will eventually wear through the paint and will get blochy or complete gone characters. Or their printed stickers (like logitech regular keyboards) the caps last longer but the characters will disappear.

This was everything I want in a keyboard until he said clicky only major let down

@davidjameswales

2 жыл бұрын

Keychron.

"Very thin", clicky keys and 4 day battery life. Me: Laughs in Apple magic keyboard.

Yeah, they should make a non-clicky model next. The one thing that I like about these types of things is that I can take it out of my bag anywhere and use with anything that has bluetooth from a bigger computer all the way to a phone. I've used my SK621 with cherry reds for a lot of small things like just acting as a remote for changing powerpoint slides during a presentation or right now whipping it out so I can type out a youtube comment a bit faster on my tablet. But that means it sometimes gets used in situations where the sound of clicking might bother someone nearby. Also, add a pouch for it in the packaging, even a cheap one is really useful.

Is there a full size version? Need numpad and other keys for work

A new editor has joined the house. Yay!! Good luck to you.

More keyboard reviews please!

This keyboard is so hot, and so far, I love the sound of the clicky keys, it's not obnoxiously loud.

Build quality looks awesome, but gutted I missed the Kickstarter

Can't wait for mine to come in, low profile mechanical keyboard are super interesting to me

"Cheaper if you kickstart it" but they release the video a day after the funding window ends.

I was set on this keyboard until I saw the nuphy keyboard on here. I bought the nuphy and it's amazing to type on. I'm not sad at all that I don't got this keyboard

is there a way to unistall the firmware because i installed thinking it was something too do with changeingrgb settings now it;s not working

@spaxzel_9966

2 жыл бұрын

never mind i was able to fix it it was just fn =+esc god i was so scared

Only thing that would have made this episode better was a spontaneous appearance of Luke durring the bit in the beginning about Kickstarter where they make him give another update on the ColeBar hammer

I want a full size version of this SO bad

I originally got a Logitech K810 as I wanted a small Bluetooth keyboard that was backlit, didn't have round keys (why round keys on so many keyboards??) and which could switch between devices that would fit nicely in my work bag. I got mine just as it was going EOL for around £80 at the time. This looks like a great alternative and at kick starter price not much more than I paid for mine.

If it had a volume knob on the side it would be perfect for me

Dear LTT crew, if you have connections to Logitech or any other keyboard manufacturer, please tell them to release a keyboard like the MX Keys but with a Windows Hello Fingerprint reader. Microsoft’s keyboard is out there for ages and still the only keyboard that has it.

Nice review Linus

we need more 96 keys keyboard, or so called 1800 layouts.

Hey! I got a new laptop a month ago and I started playing games on it and since recently I think my games running on above 60 fps don't feel smooth. Like gta 5 on 80-100 fps doesn't feel smooth, red dead redemption 2 also with above 60 fps doesn't feel smooth, mafia definitive edition with above 70 fps also doesn't feel smooth. I have a gsync enabled, I checked the frametime on gta 5 and it keeps fluctuating from 12-25 on 1600p. On Mafia it was around 12ms. Can you help me? I have the Lenovo legion 5 pro rtx 3060 variant.

@aliwthemofodope

2 жыл бұрын

do you game while your laptop is plugged in?

Keychron K3 still king of low profile hot-swappable mechs

I have completely no idea why people care so much about the thickness of portable devices. Weight and cost are more important factors almost all the time. I usually don't care about a millimetre or two on the thickness, but every 100g I have to carry does make a difference.

@triton62674

2 жыл бұрын

It's a marketing ploy, u literally isn't be able to the difference between the top 5 thinnest keyboards

@4473021

2 жыл бұрын

Because you only have so much space in a backpack lol. I have to travel a lot for engineering work, and having a thin keyboard that doesn't take up a shit load of space makes it much easier. Plus, at this thickness it's much easier on your wrists like a laptop, and you don't need to pack a wrist rest

My ears interpreted "slope angle" as "slow bangle" for some reason and now it won't leave my brain.

His way of measuring stuff with a banana really reminds me of Americans measuring stuff. “Yeah that’s about three quarters of my foot”

how does it compare with the nuphy one?

00:35 wait you edited the name on the box AND THE MOVED IT TOO like damn, gj, that was fun to notice

We got a keyboard guy, a camera guy and a laptop guy.

that looks a lot thicker than the Apple wireless keyboard with keypad which I think is perfect... and less than 11mm thick

@whotfevencares

2 жыл бұрын

But this is mechanical unlike Apple's which is classic scissors.

Horst is so right. The legends offset a little bit upwards, but not all the way, looks bad. If they'd used deliberately top aligned legends, that'd be much better. Bothers me a lot more than the clickies (this message typed from Kaihl Box Jades, 😎).

I loved how he casually flipped us all off.

Would you mind if I bought this from you? I can’t find the black one available

$100 isn't bad at all! $140 would be a little steep even though it has some good features. I've been using a Keychron K6 with brown switches for several months now and really like it, it's hard to beat with it's price at $69 (heh). I know it's a personal preference...but if I'm going without a numpad I really like the 65% layout. TKL and 75% are just a tad too big, but if it's something I really like I'd consider a compromise. If I were looking for a new a keyboard now- 100 bucks for this one is a solid deal even with the layout.

You know what's thinner than 16 millimeters? Me:(looks down) *Mine*

I like Plouffe talking about keyboards, even though i'm just on an old Corsair K70 LUX.

Me as I typed in my MX Keys: "thin? Not yet but for an optical mech, I guessed it might be" The only sad thing about this one is that - there's a LOT of very similar layout / model (that also comes in alu) pretty much in any online stores (all from China).

Any time you bring out a wireless keyboard you SHOULD touch on the security side of things, don't want neighbors or random passers by keylogging me😤

I have a Razer Huntsman Elite with the clicky opto-mechanical switches in it....I like it, the click is nice and....light :D

"when you bottom out it feels squishy" Giggity

this reminds me of the tessoro gramXS, but 75% and wireless

You guys mentioned reviewing MX keys, any idea when that will come?

Leave it for the Mac-Reviews to notice 2 things the first thing they do 1. Wheres my command!? 2. I like the font

Can the cable be used for data? (Like a wired one)

@aliwthemofodope

2 жыл бұрын

yes

8:03 someone has the name of the typing site/app ?

I Hope this banana for scale culture extends to the main channel I love it

I actually like when the letters aren't centered because my mother tongue isn't English and I also use a different Alphabet so I need the space to add the characters of my main language

OMFG if only it was cheaper. Gonna try to save up for it this summer.

Review the Razer Huntsman Analog please!

This as a full size would be nice

it really looks like an IMAC keyboard it really does

Got one a few weeks ago. Decent hardware - a little clickier than came across in the video but over all no complaints. Be warned though, while they have a Discord community they're very slow to answer and most of the time don't seem to really have grasped the question that was being asked. I guess it's the usual challenges of a small Chinese company. Also they somehow managed to send my a shipment notification _after_ I'd already taken delivery.

Clicky's only huh. If you have to produce all your keyboards with only one switch option I really feel like clicky is the worst but oh well. Def have to pass in that case, but the board looks super sweet and exactly what I am looking for otherwise.

Keep the keyboard reviews coming, I really like them.

Wondering what kind of keyboard he uses on a regular basis. I know he uses brown switches but not much else

I can't seem to get one on the kickstarter.. no buttons to "support".. :/

@adfaklsdjf

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, it says "*Filmed before kickstarter finished".. can't be had via kickstarter anymore...

This man just typed a speed test at 112 words per minute and acted like it was nothing

How thin a keyboard is does not even register when I buy one, it is the least important quality and aiming to have a thin keyboard is often a detriment to the quality.

@fricki1997

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome in the century of "The Smallest/Slimmest/Lightest" as a selling point.

@gstpierre69

2 жыл бұрын

I look for a thin keyboard because i find it more comfortable than using a wrist rest

@agiverreviga4592

2 жыл бұрын

@@fricki1997 the selling point of this one is the thinnest MECHANICAL keyboard, not just a regular chiclet style keyboard

@haomingli6175

2 жыл бұрын

This product is not for you then. It is very portable, which is a plus for many, but you don’t seem to care.

@anam00090

2 жыл бұрын

for someone with wrist problems that struggles to hover their hands while typing, I need to either constantly use a wrist rest or opt for a lower profile keyboard. Thinness does matter for portability and ergonomic purposes sometimes

So can't buy the kickstarter anymore and can't preorder on their website either? Cool, guess I'll just forget about it then.

If these pre-built/made boards came with the option for me to switch to a split backspace and move my control key, I'd have almost no need for custom keyboards. (aside from me being one of those weirdos that lube film and perform dark voodoo on my switches).

@cainacosta2853

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, trust me, tsangan already screams "I lube my own keyboards" enough

@4473021

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of prebuilts from Asia actually have pads and cutouts(just hidden under the space key) as they use more generic parts that also accommodate for many east Asian language specific layouts. You'd have to get custom caps, but can definitely just solder the switches yourself

If they has a %100 i would have gotten one. It looks pretty nice

Stilll curious what make the other 25% of this 75% keyboard

That's pretty impressive but I don't like how there's no feet to raise it up.

americans: so this is about one and a half bananas long

Endless Clicking is my favorite editor.

non clicky, exploded, knob. I'd die for it