I work for Cummins and seeing the tech they’re coming out with behind the scenes is mind blowing. Excited for what’s coming out!

@overbuiltautomotive1299

Ай бұрын

have they fixed the diesel block yet .they lighten up new design and now it stretches

@uresti27

Ай бұрын

@@overbuiltautomotive1299 what engine are we talking about?

@marcusrussell3375

Ай бұрын

The 6.7…they reduced the block weight and now the crank main caps are fretting

@uresti27

Ай бұрын

@@marcusrussell3375 I know they reduced the weight but the engineers also claim that it’s stronger than ever. In the heady duty world we don’t really see issues with the bottom end on an ISB. We do see a lot of dropped valve seats and what not.

@Adamr916

17 күн бұрын

​@overbuiltautomotive1299 the engine that's in the Ram trucks is completely different from the actual B6.7 engines

We have 7 15L Cummins running on natgas here in the oil field. All have over 50,000hrs on them trouble free.

@freedomisntfree_44

Ай бұрын

We’ve ran propane mowers for landscaping and the oil always looked new on them. Just didn’t have the pick up gasoline does

@darryladams519

Ай бұрын

915 cubic inches

@MrPizzaman09

Ай бұрын

Are these ISX12 N engines? The X15 N is brand new and hasn't been around for 50k hrs (7+ years). Or were they converted for dual fuel?

@pruitt3507

Ай бұрын

Do you see lot of cat 3520 natgas engines?

@idk9130

Ай бұрын

@@freedomisntfree_44i see what u did there

The look on Nathan's Face @0:17 when Andre makes a Sir Mix Alot reference, is priceless, lol.

@63Imp283

25 күн бұрын

I can't believe he didn't laugh out loud! Lol

Gasoline. The best delete kit made. I literally specifically ordered my Duallie 3500 with a Hemi to avoid the issues of Diesel Regulations.

@scotcoon1186

Ай бұрын

Particulate filters are coming for gas engines.

@benjamincresswell3713

Ай бұрын

The EPA is completely corrupt. I used to work in emissions and I watched as the Diesel just got destroyed by regulations. Everything go tso sophisticated it is an abomination. My belief is they EPA is in cahoots and wants to shut down the entire internal combustion prime mover industry. Electricity is a SECONDARY energy. That means you have to generate it somewhere else then put it to work remotely as in wires everywhere or batteries. It is so inefficient to do it that way. but people are just sitting and letting them take our freedom away from us. We need to take a stand somehow and shut the EPA right down and disassemble it.

@motorhead281

Ай бұрын

Shhhh, if everyone knows our secret, gas engines will be more expensive. "YEAH DUDE, GAS IS FOR PUSSYS!"

@Failure_Is_An_Option

Ай бұрын

Good thing you are a liar. Otherwise you are dumb.

@CS-vw3db

Ай бұрын

A hemi and straight six gas engine are not equal. Your gonna drop a valve far before a cummins would.

Cummins already makes natural gas engines for their natural gas generators that we use offshore and on hospitals in South Louisiana and also for water pump stations some big 6.7 L engines that work off natural gas. Or to run on diesel, the engine designed to run on natural gas or diesel whatever fuel you have.

@mddunlap03

Ай бұрын

I bet the gasoline launches forst

Kubota did this because they already had diesel blocks, doesn't work the other way around because diesel blocks are stronger than gas blocks. Could make a VERY long lasting gas enginge

@VHP7044

Ай бұрын

Agree, The big challenge for a spark ignited engine is the ability to transfer heat into the jacket water. With direct injection, 3 way catalyst and a specific cylinder head this engine could be really successful. It takes more than just putting a spark plug into a diesel head and calling it a day.

One thing I think is that if they give up Cummins in heavy duty truck while the other manufacturers still have their diesels they will loose. Ram Trucks are very nice trucks but Cummins is a big part of what people like about them. Replacing the Hemi with a Cummins gas engine might work as long as it performs but if they give up Cummins diesel for some in house motor I think that would be a huge mistake. Cummins has a loyal following and I think people will walk away without it.

@thevortex6754

Ай бұрын

I think it just allows for more and better options. Because Cummins and Ram are so good, and like you said, Cummins has a loyal following, Ram and Cummins might do better with this head change tech. I love Cummins, I’d buy any engine they make, gas, math as, or diesel, great engines

@tangydiesel1886

Ай бұрын

The cummins name is the only reason Ram uses their engine. Fiat makes their own 6.7 engine for their CNH equipment. (case/new holland)

Good to see some ICE innovation in the face of the EV onslaught.

@Failure_Is_An_Option

Ай бұрын

Geee... If you don't consume Fux and OAN you would know nothing stopped on the ICE side.

this will be the next "12 valve" as far as reliability and cost of ownership. I have been saying this for years, someone needs to build an industrial straight 6 gas turbo commercial hybrid platform. they will eventually get a ton of torque out of this thing.

I think it's a great idea for Ram to use these. Heck, they don't have to change any tooling, just built the chassis for the existing diesel and the gas version of this will bolt right up.

Well if they got a crate engine solution and you can put it in an existing Ram because you want to get rid of the death filters and still have the ability to pull a trailer or haul a load that would be awesome and the possibility you could retrofit this to an older truck and have a stick shift behind it

International used to build a huge I6 gasoline engine. The biggest one was 501 ci. But they also had 401,406,450.

@dennisyoung4631

Ай бұрын

1091 Hall-Scott inline 6…

@marcusharriss1979

Ай бұрын

International is absolute junk!

Here's hoping we actually see this show up in HD trucks preferably in both gas and diesel versions, but if nothing else, in a gas version!

So will the gasoline 6.7L inline 6 cylinder be turbocharged? A 6.7L turbo inline 6 gas engine would actually be pretty cool.

@edspencer7121

Ай бұрын

We'll put Gail Banks to work on that.

YES, this interests me very much. In fact the concept and application of multi-fuel diesel/inline engines has been used by US Army 2.5 and 5 ton military trucks since the 1960’s. This has a military component in it as well!!!!

@nooneproductions27

Ай бұрын

Abrams can run on Diesel or Jet ✈️

Cummins is gonna do this. I spoke with a sales rep years ago

@BruceDragon-sf1tr

Ай бұрын

Its a fail project, even the thought. Cummins will lose money, they better stick to that diesel

Absolutely interested in all the power plants that Cummins is making, and hopefully ram stays with Cummins

Multi fuel engines have been around for industrial and military since the the 1930's

@jdking25

Ай бұрын

This isn't multi fuel. Each engine will still be only single fuel type

@gearhead7896

Ай бұрын

Thank you for calling it multi fuel. That's what is was, is, and has always been the term. Not this bs term that Cummins is calling it.

@davidroche9964

Ай бұрын

@@gearhead7896 Yeah, they refine it and give it raised white letters and they've reinvented the wheel. 🤔

@gearhead7896

Ай бұрын

@@davidroche9964 🤣😅🤣 Reminds me of tron legacy when they ask well what improvements have we made to OS12 and the CEO says we put a 12 on the box

@davidroche9964

Ай бұрын

@@gearhead7896 Yep, marketing 101 ! 🤨

The gas Cummins, especially with numbers like you mention, would absolutely entice me to look at new trucks. I think it could wipe the floor with Fords 7.3 v8.

We have buses with the 6.7 that run in CNG. Super quiet engines.

Really nice to see more Internal combustion options for real world needs. especially working & commercial duty trucks.... Plus... being that it's using the traditional Diesel block.... which is designed for high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion/Turbo..... This would make this a Very Robust candidate for performance upgrades.... this might be a MONSTER if done right. looking forward to more details... Imagine a Ram 5500 with a Cummins Gas? sweet.

Imaging this with a 10 speed Eaton

In the 90s there was available a natural gas and diesel mixed fuel aftermarket kit for large trucks and later for smaller diesel vehicles. These used about 25% methane and 75% diesel. The improvement in noise, emissions, mpg, and smoothness was incredible. It was also complicated. But it might have been better than DPF measures.

@KevinJames-yg9eu

Ай бұрын

As an engineer at a truck manufacturer, I have more recent experience with Diesel engines that have aftermarket conversions to run on natural gas. On smaller engines, like a Cummins B, they entirely eliminate the Diesel fuel by installing spark plugs in place of the injectors and pumping natural gas into the intake manifold. On larger engines, like a Cummins X, they make dual-fuel system that uses a small amount of Diesel fuel as a pilot injection to light off the natural gas.

Great news from Cummins.

Old School. Been doing it since 1981. In a BIG Truck. And in the Oil Field For Many many Years. We Ran on Propane over the Road. The B 5.9 in the Oil Field on Nature Gas. 220 Cummins on propane was the first one we did then a 270. Ford HIE off a Volkswagen distb. Gear 10.5 comp. Imco carb. It’s about time they bring it to market.

More Nathan, he is the best. I want to see him in every video

Ford could always dust off the schematics for the ford 300 and just improve the head and maybe add a turbo changing nothing with the bottom end and be bulletproof

This is old news. Interesting, but even with an alumimum head, the 6.7 bottom end is still extremely heavy.

@thecamdenyard

Ай бұрын

And your point is???

@1hasbeen531

Ай бұрын

​@@thecamdenyard For one thing, the Ram 2500 is already payload deficient, so unless they get rid of the 10K GVWR this will make it worse.

Wow I thought this was an April fools gag, but it's on their site. Ha.

The M35A2 DUCE 1/2 engine was also one of the first multi-fuel platforms able to run on diesel, Kerosene, Marine Oil, And gasoline. Powered by an LDT 465 in-line 6 cylinder turbocharged multi-fuel engine.

@scotcoon1186

Ай бұрын

Yesterday was a multifuel engine. These will be limited to the fuel they were set up for.

325hp and 660lb-ft torque is incredible. Those are 05-07 diesel engine numbers and those trucks tended to pull heavy loads just fine.

I had a 250 straight six in a 74 C20 that I preferred over 305 V8's. Same thing with 300 straight six Ford's, I preferred the 300 inline six over 302 V8's in trucks. They don't lug as bad as more powerful V8's. There is a legitimate reason why the inline six is the preferred platform for industrial diesel engines. My 74 C10 was used to haul scrap metal here in hilly western Pennsylvania. It wasn't worth taking a load in if it was under 2,000 pounds and she kept up with traffic just fine even on hills. I had an 86 F250 with the 300 six that was a rack truck that spent its life overloaded with ladders and scaffolding. The same deal, she kept up with traffic without giving any thought to it. Both happened to be manual transmission equipped, the 74 C20 was a column shift 3 speed and the 86 F250 was a 4 speed. Both had great fuel economy and neither had overdrive. With OD I suspect either would rival the fuel economy of any modern 3 liter v6 powered SUV or truck.

I thought we were expecting a derivative of the Godzilla Ford 7.3 or 6.8 with twin turbos to work in this class but with regular petrol. It sure would be cool to see these options in the Heavy Duty space.

I imagine that Ram will probably offer the Hurricane I6 as a base engine with the upgrade to the 6.7 Cummins gasser or diesel. The diesel will probably remain as the highest priced and highest performing engine while the gasser 6.7 will be a mid tier offering. I think the gas powered Cummins will be cheaper because it doesn't require the emissions systems the diesel does, and diesel fuel injection is more complex versus gasoline fuel injection, even in direct injection applications.

According to rumors in Auburn Hills, a second engine is planned for these trucks. It, too, would be an inline six-cylinder, but engineered specifically for truck engines. The new engine is rumored to be larger-3.7 liters-and to have a more traditional design, other than an odd 30° tilt. A source within Engineering told us that it was tilted over to make room for accessories on the side so that it could fit into smaller engine bays; and to provide space for a better air path, increasing its efficiency. ...

@danw1955

Ай бұрын

Oh, so they're going back to the leaning-tower-of-power, the 225 slant 6?🤣👍👍

@843MudMafia.

Ай бұрын

Bad idea just use Cummins

@KevinJames-yg9eu

Ай бұрын

The reason for tilting any inline engine is to lower the hood line of the vehicle.

@scotcoon1186

Ай бұрын

I think I heard they were talking a hurricane with a little more displacement for the heavy duty pickups. It would make sense to offer the Cummins gas and cng engines alongside the diesel.

Very interesting and great new technology!

I drive a 2014 school bus and it uses a natural gas Cummins

@jamesrussell6870

Ай бұрын

How's the power compared to diesel?

The cowboy hat looks good on Andre. As for Nathan's cap: Taxi! 🚕😁

The reason it says no after treatment or DEF is because it is the screen highlighting the gas version.

Nice.... I could see the possibility of the 1 block for 3 different engines (if you can call it that) would make manufacturing more effective both in process and in cost. Great concept

You put the gas version in a 2500 and you would convert my fleet from GM to Ram overnight. That 6.7 Cummins gasser with a ZF 8 speed IS A PERFECT recipe.

This approach makes sense in a number of ways, I do expect Ram to offer this relatively soon!

Cummins has been working on a CNG/Hydrogen version of the X15 for along time. They already have a Head conversion for the X15 and ISB 6.7

I have a 2019 Ram 2500 with 6.7 Cummins and would make the move in 2025 to a 6.7 Cummins gas if it came out. I think it will happen just unsure of timeline. Time will tell! Thanks👍

The model T used a multi fuel engine. A look back on big truck engines I have a 1948 Brockway with a Continental R6572 gas engine (inline 6 572 CID) Continental built the RD6572 which was the diesel version just a different head.

YES ! I am all for a gas 6.7L as long as they can keep the EGR off of the motor ! Also having it available as a crate motor option for hot rod builds 👏🏻

My '08 Jayco RV on the E450 chassis has a Cummins gas engine in it. It's the generator, but... 😉🤣

@scotcoon1186

Ай бұрын

Cummins bought out Onan a while back.

@billmalec

Ай бұрын

@@scotcoon1186 that was the Idea

We have a few school busses with Cummins V8 CNG/Propane..they have done very good...

This would be the only reason I would look at a Ram 2500. I was all in on another brand and there gas engine. I will wait and see where this goes. Straight 6's have been around a very long time and proven how good they are.

The computer's prompt "You're a manager'? 😂

Brings back nightmares from the days when GM and others tried converting gas engines to diesel engines! We don’t ever want to go back to those days!!

@mjolnirev7890

Ай бұрын

There is a big difference between going from gas to diesel or diesel to gas, diesel engine blocks and parts are way stronger, this gas Cummins may be just as tough or tougher then the old ford inline 6 .

@jamesrussell6870

Ай бұрын

Much tougher!

I thought this was announced that they were working on this a couple years ago. In fact I think I heard the news from TFL

I remember when I was younger, all the UPS step vans used the Ford 300 inline 6. Makes sense to bring back that engine architecture. Less moving parts, better reliability, and since it's gasoline powered, there's more available fueling for it.

@ALMX5DP

Ай бұрын

Inline engines do seem to be making a comeback, though obviously with turbochargers since people expect a modern level of power and torque.

I’d love to see this power train open the door for some gasoline powered Super C RV’s. Something that can tow better than the Godzilla but not break the bank like a Diesel.

Was waiting for something like this a long time! Nice to see some major changes and trying to get away from the DEF crap somehow.

I've had 12 BMWs built and tuned like a diesel but with gas e85 fuel. low 4500rpm, small turbo, same afr as a diesel would. works fantastic. cheap corn fuel but 30mpg in a 6000lb x5 that tows with zero issues and makes diesel low end torque an new normal diesel top end. I'm really surprised it's taken this long for anyone to do

@donvoll2580

Ай бұрын

Good day N54 Do u live in North america? Bmw are english! Thanks

@N54God666

Ай бұрын

@@donvoll2580 BMW is European

I saw one of the natural gas semi trucks on Texas Interstate operated by UPS a couple of weeks ago.

@hellohumans175

Ай бұрын

they are using them for very long time now

In my line of business, we run the ISX15 natural gas engine, which is the same as their diesel engine, but the head just has spart plugs, and everything else is almost the same.

Would be crazy for the racing scene. Could run some wild boost numbers with e85+/race fuel

Bring it on now

In the 70s when I was in the air force Cummins already had multi fuel engines. So now there doing it in the electronic Era.

It's something they've been doing already for years. It's expanding to more fuels now, but the diesel and CNG versions of their mid range road going stuff has been sharing a block for years, among other components. I'm interested to see how many other components the new versions share across platforms. The natural gas versions in the bus fleet locally seem to be the most cost efficient, and least maintenance intensive option. With minimal aftertreatment required, they are very simple. But, they run HOT. There was/is a massive recall for the early models that melted the pistons since they ran significantly lighter than the diesel. Turbos are vacuum controlled wastegate systems as opposed to VGTs. I personally don't like the lack of power, but they work well overall.

There are transit busses running CNG manufactured by Nova Bus. They are Cummins manufactured diesel based power plants. Very emissions clean, ISL 8.9 L .

My wife love her Ram 2500 4wd with that beastly 6.7L. As long as the gas engine has a VGT turbo, it will be accepted. The ZF 8-speed powerline transmission should be a plus. The Jeep JLU performs better than the JKU because of the extra lower gears with the 8-speed transmission.

@hellohumans175

Ай бұрын

why VGT turbo on a gasoline engine ? why not regular waste gated turbo ?

@jameseroh6544

Ай бұрын

@hellohumans175 - The VGT have 3 benefits, 1st is a faster response at lower rims, 2nd is enhanced engine braking, and 3rd is less energy and fuel wasted.

Chevy did this in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They took an Oldsmobile v8. They took the olds 350 changed pistons and put on diesel heads and intake. My dad had one in an 81 caprice. When it finally gave out. We swapped the heads out for gas heads and 2 barrel intake and ran the heck out of it for several years.

i am very interested in such an engine. Please continue research.

Cummins has been using natural gas 5.9L engines in generators for a while now. There is even natural gas DD series 60s in generators too.

They do have parts in common, but Stellantis has a deal with Cummins to have a separate motor for the Rams. The B6.7 Diesel is found in the Freightliner M2-106 and International Medium duty and ICCEs so it will most likely be in thosr

Very smart idea

i love big trucks, i cannot lie lol

Great video guys! Unfortunately, with Stalantis being an Itaian company, I honestly don't see the Ram HDs lasting much longer. They don't care that much about the American market, and the truck doesn't sell as well as the the other two. This is the start of the downhill of Ram.

I think it would be a genius move and a very cost effective way to have multiple engine options for Ram. The manufacturing cost would be streamlined like crazy

When I started working in the oil fields, I was surprised to find out that Cummins made a massive natural gas engine to power the gas compressors.

Heck yeah, I'd be interested in such an inline six for the Ram HD. What other reasonable alternatives are there? I don't think I'd trust the new Hurricane six for such duty, and if it's based off of the Cummins 6.7 diesel block, it should be more than stout enough for HD pickup and fleet duty too. This could easily grab Ram some market share!

HAPPY EASTER! Glad you put videos out on Mondays so i can focus on CHURCH and FAMILY on Sundays.

Makes sense, but will it work in the current power wagon?

Seems like a great idea keeping a lot the same would definitely keep costs down

looks amazing. Slap some turbos on it

If you know anything about older military trucks, White Motor Company built the multifuel engines for the M35A1 trucks. Instead of complex electronics, the injection pump system measured the viscosity of the fuel to cause the distributor injection pump to deliver the proper amounts to individual mechanical fuel injectors. This is a more complex way to do some of the same things using a common rail fuel system, or did they go back to individual fuel injector pressure lines from the high pressure pump source? Cummins has already tried extremely high pressure common rail fuel feed to the injectors. Any screamer Detroit 2 stroke is a common rail fuel source engine, any 855 Cummins and brethren. A new version of old with new engineer trying and money.

It will be nice to have a cummins that can be idled without the anxiety of wet stacking slowly leading to lifter failure. Let's just hope it doesn't have some hilarious oversight like the grid heater bolt coming loose and grenading the engine.

That would be awesome in a heavy duty truck for folks who don’t need a diesel!

Sounds good and cool at first but then comes the price. Im already priced out of the market with the existing trucks. I'll enjoy and admire from a far. Doubt I'll be able to purchase one if and when they put them in 2500s. Thanks for the info!

Come to Rocky Mount, North Carolina and see them put together NOW 👍 4/10/24

@HarlemsFinest2133

Ай бұрын

I’m looking at them everyday 👍🏾👍🏾

Nice to have the option to switch fuel at rebuild time. Especially with turbulent fuel prices. Swich again if things change up

Ram should have an option to bolt on an Eaton Fuller manual transmission to the Cummins engine

@wyo_garage20

Ай бұрын

No they shouldn’t

@markdubois4882

Ай бұрын

I'd jump all over that if a manual transmission is offered.

@VHP7044

Ай бұрын

Why not

@wyo_garage20

Ай бұрын

@@VHP7044 Why would they? It’s pointless. Useless. Never gonna happen

@scotcoon1186

Ай бұрын

They have to cut power when the automatic shifts, then ease it back in. The dealers would have a steady stream of rear ends to warranty with a manual.

I've got an F-350 dualie with a diesel, it runs great but it's not a Cummins. I bought it just because it was pre-DEF. I'm just learning what that is, used to work on newspaper trucks back in the eighties, wish I'd realized then what they were going to do now.

I read an article in MotorTrend Truck magazine about Cummins producing a gas engine. Also waiting to see what back of tricks GM is working on with their gas engines.

Does it chuff smoke like thier diesels, thats so cool!

That 5.0L Cummins V-8 was super reliable. As a boat anchor. Hopefully this is better.

Ram talked with Cummins about making a 6.7 liter gas engine years ago

It would be interesting to see how much of a gov fine there is for building diesels when they also offer same engine but gas for $10k less? Or somewhere in between.

Nathan, that would be awesome. 6.7 gas and 6.7 diesel options. All problems solved.

there is at least one ram with a 6.7 gas cummins, there is a video on youtube that is at a cummins event and there is a 2018 Ram with the engine as well as some 3 and 5ton trucks.

What I really want to know is if I could swap out the 68rfe for the new ZF 8 speed in my 2017 Ram Cummins....??

The aftertreatment tech required to make diesels work is its Achilles' heel. Cummins is smart to push the CNG and gasoline options. The marketing play for the B6.7 Octane is that it's so overbuilt it will basically last forever. The question is whether they can make it efficient enough to overcome its extra weight compared to the V8s in the Ford and Chevy. An interesting alternative would be a turbo 4-cylinder version of the B6.7 Octane; it could boast superior efficiency and not have the weight penalty of the 6-cylinder.

I really like my 6.4 in my 2500 but I would jump ship to this new gas version in a heartbeat. I gave up on diesel a couple years ago finally due to expense.

Would have been good to include the Hurricane Six in the discussion. Unsure if it could be beefy enough for a HD pickup, but it's the only current option if the 6.4 is going away.

This engine would be crazy expensive for a gas engine compared to the hurricane. I can see this as a replacement for the diesel but will someone pay 10k for an upgraded gas engine.

@mddunlap03

Ай бұрын

Why? The hurricane is a from scratch engine. New tooling new block new everything this is a 6.7 with a aluminum head and cast pistons. Hurricane will shit the crank out the block of it had to make 650+ftlbs at 2k rpm

@DJ-ve5lr

Ай бұрын

If not diesel, but same engine it would be interesting to see the price diff. I wonder how much of that 10k premium is caused by fines and diesel regs.

@andyharman3022

Ай бұрын

If they can keep the cost of the gasoline engine option to $4000 over base, I think it will sell well. The diesel option costs ~$10,000. The gas engine should be cheaper due to no DPF or SCR systems, and the fuel system will be cheaper as well.

@Lloyd973

Ай бұрын

This engine would not, in my opinion, be an option for large hd trucks. It’s fit would be better in the medium duty truck market, say in the freightliner M 200 series or any of the large box delivery vans. The natural gas option for these trucks would be a better fit. Hydrogen gas is a pipe dream for anything not mounted to a stationary platform. Just not enough heat energy in the gas to make it truly viable for anything else. Natural gas options have been around for years. They burn cleaner than gas and have fewer emissions problems and a very good maintenance cost per mile over the diesel. I don’t look to see this in any Ram pickups. Just don’t think there would be enough cost difference to make Ram dump their newly designed six cylinder engine.

@wtbman

Ай бұрын

@@DJ-ve5lr I would think a huge part of the $9k+ Ram charges for the Cummins is due to the SCR/DPF systems. That's like $6k to replace. The 6.4 Hemi to 6.7 gas Cummins would be more like $2-4k I would think.

Based on current trends the only thing I'm certain of is stellantis will probably do the wrong thing.

@christopherbrown1391

Ай бұрын

I kind of feel the same way they definitely need a big time upgrade to their powertrain and the fact they haven’t put the money and time into the v8 is strange

How hard would it be to build a sleeved aluminum block with the same pattern?