Unpopular opinion apparently: making a psychiatrist who seduced an underage patient look like a innocent romantic victim to a jealous wife who unfairly jumped to conclusions isn’t actually a great plot twist. The guy carelessly took advantage of vulnerable underage teenager in his care and should have had his licensed revoked and the fact he clearly doesn’t see anything wrong with what he did is a major red flag.

@tracyaskew1651

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@AndrewBarsky

3 ай бұрын

Didn’t Ask

@imaniwilliams816

3 ай бұрын

​@@AndrewBarskyThank you for pointing out what everybody already knows. Your comment truly made us all reflect on our actions and think twice about wanting to engage in conversation with other people. What a true hero you are Andrew.

@user-ii8oy3qg2t

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but it's called a TV show, stop trying to use real world logic on it, none of these shows are realistic in any way

@imaniwilliams816

3 ай бұрын

@@user-ii8oy3qg2t And the original comment is something called analysis. It's a thing where people dissect an interesting form of media to unearth theories and implications within a work because it's fun and thought provoking. It's all fine and well if that's not something you're personally interested in, but it doesn't make it ridiculous when somebody else is. That gives superiority complex and that's not a good look on anybody.

Wait but didn't he still have a relationship with her when she was like, a teenager and also his patient? Like, isn't that still absolutely messed up?

@dietotaku

3 ай бұрын

yep, and he proved exactly why you don't get romantically involved with your patients regardless of their age.

@christafranken9170

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it was. Both the patient part and the teenager part on their own are highly problematic, because of the power imbalance. That may mitigate, but it doesn't completely erase that she murdered him because of an alleged affair

@user-ks2ts9dz6t

3 ай бұрын

Unethical and illegal.

@rojeff4547

3 ай бұрын

he also literally said “age of consent what is that? the pleasure you give me is your consent” on one of the tapes but that was conveniently left out of the court hearing

@BlaxkSun

3 ай бұрын

@@rojeff4547it’s the same tape, but it picks up where she stopped it

Okay, but, like, he *was* an abusive husband. He was her therapist and she was a minor. The DA in this show has gone to bat and chosen not to prosecute abuse victims before when they kill their abuser, and juries in this show have acquitted women using the "Battered Wife" defense before. I'm surprised she got 15-to-Life at the end.

@SolomonGrod

3 ай бұрын

she killed out of jealousy. She would've also killed the perceived lover of her husband had she found them together. Sympathizing is fine, but there's a reason intent is baked into the law. leniency can apply if she committed the crime in defense of another, perceived or otherwise....

@BlaxkSun

3 ай бұрын

Well… no, she didn’t kill him cause he “abused” her, he didn’t manipulate her or threaten her. As a therapist he was horrendous, but he was her husband and she killed him out of thinking he was talking about another woman.

@SolomonGrod

3 ай бұрын

@@BlaxkSun That's what I said. They didn't watch the show.

@KomoliRihyoh

3 ай бұрын

@@SolomonGrod I've watched the entire series, my point wasn't that i agree with that defense, i'm saying it doesn't make sense no one offered her that defense when they've done so for dozens of other "battered women."

@SolomonGrod

3 ай бұрын

@@KomoliRihyoh except she's not a "battered woman" in this case. She's a scorned one at best.Your argument is that the inception of the relationship is abuse, and so is the continuation of said relationship. which is half true.

Okay, so she gets an appeal on one of two grounds: Either her lawyer was incompetent for not listening to all the tapes, or the DA withheld the tape clarifying the situation until the dramatic courtroom reveal, violating discovery. At the new trial, a competent attorney would likely argue diminished capacity--this woman has been abused and gaslit for decades by a sexual predator and manipulator. She accurately said it herself--she has no idea what 'love' is.

@blackdandelion5549

3 ай бұрын

One can listen to the tapes and still not be incompetent for knowing it was about his wife. Lawyers are still human and it's hard to be entirely objective when reading or listening to some evidence. Let's pretend she has all of the money for a fully competent trial lawyer because to prove a lawyer acted against their ethics to rise to the level of actual incompetence takes a whole lot. . . .a public defender may not have done much better with it. In addition the prosecutor is going to attack so much of what you have said. I would expect a full forensic psych eval to be done on her and potentially one by the state and one by the defense so they can poke holes in each other's theory. If she is proven to have such capacity issues I can assure you that she won't be seeing her daughter anymore regardless of the sentencing whether receiving therapy or jail/prison. "She accurately said it herself--she has no idea what 'love' is."

@soren3569

3 ай бұрын

@@blackdandelion5549 Oh, sure, I'm not saying no ramifications. I'm just saying the appeals process would be highly in her favor for ordering a new trial, and in that trial, I would expect diminished capacity to be a defense. You're absolutely right that losing her daughter would be a likely result.

Never saw the end of this episode when it first aired; seeing it now sent shivers up my spine. Wish I could re-watch it from beginning to end now!

@paulgeidel4195

3 ай бұрын

It's on Peacock, which is pretty cheap to join. It really is a great episode - I've played it for a number of friends.

@nightangel972000

3 ай бұрын

@@paulgeidel4195Too bad the first twelve seasons aren’t available.

@sah-nae

3 ай бұрын

All of the seasons are on Hulu guys 😊

@AerialHoopGuy

Ай бұрын

No access to Hulu or Peacock in my neck of the woods, so I just bought the whole series on DVD (excluding the two latest seasons)!

so she killed her abuser/molester

@RLucas3000

3 ай бұрын

Well, he abused her like a zillion years ago. The statute of limitations was already up about a half a zillion years ago. But some would say he got karmic Justice, even though she loved him and wouldn’t have killed him had she known what the DA revealed. But now she will spend the rest of her life behind bars. Is that just to you?!

@dmf1301

2 ай бұрын

Yes, he abused her, but that was not her motive for attacking him. It wasn’t ‘trauma’ that motivated her - it was a clear and logical choice to kill him because she was jealous.

@takumi2023

Ай бұрын

I also dont think he abused her, took advantage, and groomed her, sure. but until we know how the dynamic of the relationship played out when she was a young teen, we can't rule out that he may have loved her as the attorney argued. Is that wrong, maybe.

@dmf1301

Ай бұрын

@@takumi2023 he can argue that he ‘loved’ her until the cows come home, but because that ‘love’ comes from the power that a therapist has over their patient, it’s not a proper love between equals. It’s predatory love. It’s coercion and abuse. That’s why it’s illegal.

I remember this episode and Moira Kelly was absolutely amazing.

@mikebasil4832

3 ай бұрын

Moira is indeed an amazing actress. I’ve admired her ever since first seeing her in The Cutting Edge.

@wendyhardin5259

3 ай бұрын

She’s still stunning.

@victorcanetejr.3730

3 ай бұрын

She was also the original voice of Nala from The Lion King film.

@joshpritt2146

8 сағат бұрын

She was also in One Tree Hill

This episode is aptly named and the plot twist is GREAT. If you have Peacock I highly recommend you watch the whole thing

@malcolmr3

3 ай бұрын

I just wish peacock would upload the entire series. I love the original seasons when Ben Stone was the ADA. And George Dzundza, Chris Noth and even Paul Sorvino were on it. It was the best police procedural show ever back then.

@RhyperiorRanger

3 ай бұрын

@@malcolmr3 yes it does irritate me that only seasons 13-20 are available

@idontno0

3 ай бұрын

​@@RhyperiorRangerlmao the comment above you said the exact opposite, that it's not a great plot twist.

@loonzoldick

3 ай бұрын

@@idontno0 surely OP is from one of those states where they wanna allow 10 yos to marry 40 something men, or maybe they're Aaron Taylor Johnson

@sh0wtim3studios

3 ай бұрын

@@RhyperiorRanger dude i thought my peacock was bugging out cuz i couldn't go back farther than season 13 😂 took me waaaaay too long to figure out that they just didn't have the first 12 on there 🤣

😮WOW That lady is one heck of an actor she's very good 😃😁😃😁😃😃😃😍👍

I feel bad for her because like she killed her abuser, but she ended up in jail. And then the show tried to portray the abuser as a good person.

@thegamingknight642

2 ай бұрын

Tried, and failed. The whole situation is just a lot more messed up.

@user-marshalcp

Ай бұрын

The woman didn't kill her husband because he abused her she killed him because she was jealous.

Quality acting and action sets law and order above them all.

Posted this previously, so here it is again. Spoilers if you don't can't watch the whole episode: The episode name is Betrayal, and there were quite a few of them. The big ones are: 1) The victim had, in the past, slept with an underage patient and married her (current wife), betraying his doctor's oath. 2) The wife shoots the victim (and would have shot anyone else in the office) for betraying her with yet another patient (Meredith). 3) Lupo thinks Cutter betrayed the law by roughing up the victim's minor daughter to get the real story. 4) Dr. Olivet thinks the prosecution is betraying her, so she betrays them by testifying for the defense. 5) McCoy betrays a confidence to counter Olivet's betrayal: she slept with one of her patients, a 2nd betrayal for Olivet (I'm guessing it was Mike Logan). And the twist of there being no second betrayal by the victim doesn't mean he's blameless, just a fool for trying to hide his memoirs from his wife, who'd be a major character in the book.

Oh hey, it's the daughter from Californication.

Common Sense: if you're old and you date a child, you are trash Aaron Taylor Johnson: WELL THIS EPISODE SAYS OTHERWISE

@christinaperry9871

3 ай бұрын

Accurate

And in this cap it's revealed (Spoiler Alert), that Olivet had a romantical relationship with Logan even after the time when he was her paticent after his partner's murdering (S2, Ep1: Confession)

@PADRII

3 ай бұрын

My question is how the hell did McCoy know about it?

@marianaguardiaa.k.amariana4780

3 ай бұрын

@@PADRII Same, and If he know about Max death and tell Cabot about that in the cap Stolen? (Of course canonically in SUV Donald only talked about that the case in that cap was connected to a unsolved case from Max with John Munch)

@lizziebkennedy7505

3 ай бұрын

Revelated? Revealed.

@marianaguardiaa.k.amariana4780

3 ай бұрын

@@lizziebkennedy7505 Thanks, i correct it

@slyph63

3 ай бұрын

Romantical??

🎶 “What is love? Baby, don't hurt me Don't hurt me no more”🎶

as the saying goes love makes you blind to the truth

In three episodes, we’ll be losing Jesse L Martin and Detective Ed Green 😢

Stop romanticizing child abuse!!!!!

"I don't know what love is..." 🎵I WANT YOU TO SHOW MEEEEEEEE🎵

I called that one from early on in the clip.

Why is this not an SVU case?

Moira Kelly has aged terrifically. 😏

The description is wrong; This is Season 18 Episode *11,* not 12.

More like chaos in a sea of rocks.

karen roe is that you.

No, not Lucas Scott's mom!? Lol

Sooo, he only ever loved his wife? I mean, it was still messed up on how they got together but...did he ever touch a minor? Or was he really devoted to his wife?? I'm sorry, I'm still confused coz the whole time he was pictured as a serial pedophile😅😅 but then he wasn't since he loved his wife...?

@DIrizarry07

3 ай бұрын

He “fell in love” with his wife when she was UNDERAGED 😑😑😑 you missed like the MOST important detail 🤣🤣🤣

@gailstorm0817

3 ай бұрын

@@DIrizarry07 I did not miss that information. That's why I said "It was messed up HOW THEY GOT TOGETHER". What I'm asking is if he continued to be a serial pedophile using his job? Or was he satisfied enough to be with his wife?

@chrischin_94

3 ай бұрын

He was satisfied with his wife, she killed him over a misunderstanding​@@gailstorm0817

@DIrizarry07

3 ай бұрын

@@gailstorm0817 doesn't seem like it. from what I gathered, they were connecting him to another victim who was approached ("seduced") in a similar fashion. Bad habits are hard to break smh

@abuhurairah6268

3 ай бұрын

Isaac specialization was troubled teenager, that's how he met his wife. The episode showed at least 2 of his patients, a boy and a girl. Both of them trusted him a lot to put him on a pedestal, to the point the boy attempted suicide after he learnt Isaac died. Those kids however adore him and reject any accusation that Isaac ever harassed them. As far as we can tell, Isaac never made a move on anyone other than his wife. The way they got together is messed up, I agree, and there was probably some kind of manipulation going on considering all of his patients practically worshiped him including the wife. The quote here probably is, love makes you crazy.

Catherine should have turned those tapes over to the police.

Guy off wife with gun = life in jail wife offs husband with gun = 5 years in psych ward and 10 years house arrest 😅

Its Karen Roe from One Tree Hill

Whaaaaaaaatttttttt?????????????

Oopsie.

****** *NOTICE* ****** *This is episode 11, NOT episode 12!* ****** *NOTICE* ******

The episode number is wrong. This is s18e11 not s18e12.

Good God. Will the cycle of sexual abuse never end?

@Meodread

3 ай бұрын

There isn't actually a cycle in this episode. He fell in love with his wife when she was underage and a patient so absolutely sick, unprofessional and not remotely a solid foundation for a relationship, not to mention based on the court scene it's quite clear his wife has conflicting emotions on the matter (to put it lightly) and that he was controlling which again not healthy. His license should be revoked. But..........a cycle implies doing it again and again, at least as far as the episode goes (and I have no idea if there's any remotely plausibility to a shrink only doing this once) he only was with his wife in this regard.

@redmondpeters6221

3 ай бұрын

@@Meodread yes you're right. I think I understand what you mean. Thank you for your comment.

Apparently it's ok sincehe only did it once because he realllllly loved her. 🤮

Hanover N.H. a real place

603 likes!💎💥👑

Now the very husband she had betrayed is gonna haunt her for the rest of her life. Especially in the afterlife

Daughter really blew up her entire family due to her curiosity. “I didn’t know what to do so I left the machine in the kitchen.” Sick dude, and now you’re an orphan. 😂

@lizziebkennedy7505

3 ай бұрын

Well, a father lusts after girls her age is no loss.

She's dead

24 seconds ago

@pricemoore2022

3 ай бұрын

What happened in 24 seconds ago????😮😮😮😮

@nancyvillines4552

3 ай бұрын

​@@pricemoore2022trying to get highlighted? 😂

I remember the conclusion...very sad.