Imagine what Fergie would have done with Longhurst 👊💥

@bigmoe44

18 күн бұрын

I don't think he would of gone near Manchester again 😅

@ollennello264

18 күн бұрын

He fights away the best player

@kaiza843

18 күн бұрын

Rasmus just isn't good enough to be a main striker for Man utd. Simple as that.

@unrulyspade8333

18 күн бұрын

@@kaiza843was u born lastnight?

@swiftyyy870

18 күн бұрын

he wouldve kicked a boot at him

Luckhurst actually said in the last four weeks that this fanbase is toxic. The hypocrisy is insane. The lack of self awareness is blinding

@diazdiomedes9102

17 күн бұрын

Oh believe me brother, he is self aware 🤢 he's just a scumbag

@JNM781

16 күн бұрын

True, but why is he not allowed to be toxic which is story selling of his job , but fans are allowed to be toxic.

Luckhurst is a disgrace - the club need him out of the press conferences ASAP

@guybrushthreepwood969

18 күн бұрын

Stone too

@Spiinellii

18 күн бұрын

ACCESS JOURNALISM

@peterparker_78

18 күн бұрын

Agreed

@Tatwamasi_Om

18 күн бұрын

Abhorrent 'journalism'

@waynemainga6396

18 күн бұрын

That’s not how media and free speech works

I’ve just emailed the MEN editor in chief to complain about luckhurst & asked for his removal as the United correspondent. I won’t hold my breath on getting anything but a generic reply, EVEN IF I get a reply. If enough of us do the same it would at least force the MEN to have a word in luckhursts shell & hopefully get him to stfu!

@user-zn9oz5mu4r

17 күн бұрын

Give us the mail address

@fionnd2627

17 күн бұрын

I emailed the football editor too

@robbiethepict2783

17 күн бұрын

You want a journalist sacked for doing his job because you don't like what he reported.

@phlhoran12396

16 күн бұрын

Waste of time sadly. This club is beyond rotten.

Ragnick would have been the right man for a deeply rooted turnaround. Nobody in the club wanted to hear it.

SAMUEL LUCKHURST IS THE BIGGEST PRAT EVER

@lsd358

18 күн бұрын

​@user-um1yi7pe3r And you are a bell 🔔 end, and I don't even know you

@Jon-by7hj

18 күн бұрын

@@user-um1yi7pe3ryou are absolutely bang on. He mentions wingers not supplying the strikers 5 years ago, well aside from Rashford they’ve all changed with signings and youth. The service is clearly either tactical or personal at this point. ETH wants to use inverted wingers, who cut in and shoot every time. No wonder there is no service. Mark putting his own bias opinion out, as he doesn’t want to put any responsibility on the manager

@willdeal4367

17 күн бұрын

@@Jon-by7hjbut every other team uses inverted wingers?

The leak was obviously in the roof. Why are fans not protesting at the highest level. This part of the stadium at least should be closed.

@Young-lion99

17 күн бұрын

Don't go chasing waterfalls

@AdamSabir-rm6gh

16 күн бұрын

££££££££

Disgrace is an understatement im ashamed of this club right now, club worrying about leaks leaking info, they should be more worried about the leaks coming from the ceiling in the away dressing room, utterly disgusting man, what has happened to us!?

@gaprise9151

18 күн бұрын

Be worried about all the goals that are leaking in. Overall the entire squad

@sechabatheletsane9784

17 күн бұрын

Its not a leak. Luckhurst is pulling it out of his ass.

@johnrandles4403

17 күн бұрын

They're not worried about imaginary dressing room leaks 🤣 It's bullshit to make the mugs like "gaprise" ignore the facts and get all emotional so they will chant Eth out 😂🤣🤣🤣

@gaprise9151

17 күн бұрын

Mugs have the ability to hold something, much to say about the current team unable to hold on the ball 🙄

Our most creative winger is at getafe

Sack Luckhurst

@robbiethepict2783

17 күн бұрын

We're 8th in the league, 8th and you want a journalist sacked. Classic divide and conquer by Goldbridge and you fell for it.

@sampletext8552

17 күн бұрын

so what 8th? journalists shouldn't have a say about this club. sack luckhurst

@sampletext8552

17 күн бұрын

@@StandardsFC Absolutely they should NOT. we as fans are the only ones who can speak out on the club. not some journalist.

@sampletext8552

17 күн бұрын

@@StandardsFC what part is bollocks?

@user-zr6ee6lb9m

16 күн бұрын

​@@sampletext8552freedom of press in this country. They can say what they like until stopped by an editor or libel case and you are free to call them a twat

So calling Jackson "sh*t' many times, even know his stats are miles better than Hoijlund is any different??

@TomKearney-pr9gq

17 күн бұрын

United Stand doesn’t sell Jackson t-shirts is probably one reason 😂

@starstruckz21

17 күн бұрын

He twerks on Holjund's pole just because he did one interview with him lmao

@lexxihd5843

17 күн бұрын

Jackson does miss more big chances tho. And plays in a team that works much better. On expected points United are 15th.

So you dont believe a story that players arent passing to Rasmus, and then you list 4 players that refused to pass to Rasmus in the last game. 🤔

@tyrasarendsen18

17 күн бұрын

HE doesnt believe the reason is because they think he isnt good enough

Mark always says that stats don't matter and then goes to cry about stats for ages. Such a hypocrite only defends certain players wen it suits his narrative

That's why Shaw is so effective. He always put early crosses into the box

@Photosoflife

18 күн бұрын

And he creates much more space for Rashford to cut inside and shoot by drawing defenders with him on the overlap.

@csl750

18 күн бұрын

Can't what to have him back

@keithdechief1

17 күн бұрын

True, left backs got a better cross on him than the wingers in that team

@Thoushaltplaymore

17 күн бұрын

He is one of the ones that could have leaked the info ...

@gaara6292

17 күн бұрын

@@StandardsFC still one of your best players

They didnt pass to Ronaldo either but Ronaldo was called the problem

@martinswift536

18 күн бұрын

And Ronaldo could create his own chances not like this Hojlund flop, nobody passes the ball to him, bless him.

@karimmoorad9649

17 күн бұрын

And Cavani too

@tredaviousbowser7931

17 күн бұрын

@@martinswift536he’s just a Danish Haaland from Wish. He can’t create and is nowhere near the poacher that Haaland is

MEN was banned for good reasons.

Garnacho is getting worse for not looking for the pass

@csl750

18 күн бұрын

Yea he needs to be pulled in a bit.. but yesterday it's like the players were trying to force it to make something happen...

@tagar7909

18 күн бұрын

Amen

@Ash-si3lb

18 күн бұрын

He's all about himself. Too many players like that at the club

@kingpeekay7725

18 күн бұрын

He’s not all that .

@murrayyyy3799

17 күн бұрын

Well it would help if he had someone to coach him… that’s exactly the kind of thing a good coach would sort out

All this is happening under Ten Hag 😂😂wake up and just admit you were all wrong about EtH

@leopoldlomingo9551

17 күн бұрын

And it happened under ragnick ole mourinho

Gutter journalism again from Pratthurst. He seems to target young & non English players

So when a legend say something against the manager you don't want to hear it but when another legend says give the manager another year then you treat him as a hero 😂 make it make sense 😂

Marks agenda for ten haag is hilarious, such a hypocrite lol.

Luke Shaw is the leak always has been

Goldbridge complains about MEN then essentially confirms the story.

@brianrono9629

17 күн бұрын

Probably you don't comprehend English that well.

@monarkjain613

17 күн бұрын

You can't even listen properly 🤦

I've put a pound by for every time "disgrace" has been said on TUS this season. I'm now the 3rd richest person in the universe.

Who fell out with Ronaldo??? ETH!!! 😂😂

Mark…your comments on passing are correct and represent coaching! We need good coach, ETH out.

The leak begins with R and ends in Ashford…

@ashtonndlovu9470

18 күн бұрын

Proof?

@tagar7909

18 күн бұрын

@@ashtonndlovu9470every game this season?

@Samuel-hd3cp

17 күн бұрын

Any evidence of that Neil?

@Ghengis_Khant

16 күн бұрын

@@ashtonndlovu9470 M.E.N. don't need proof so what's the difference?

Marks defending his man crush👍

I think people missed the point about the Rasmus stuff, Goldbridge didn’t say that it wasn’t true Hojlund lacks service, that’s evident, the issue is that it is not a case of bad faith on the part of the players, but simply a case of them not being good enough. Rashford can’t cross, Garnacho can’t cross, Antony can’t cross, Wan-Bissaka can’t cross, Dalot can cross a little, Amad, I don’t really know, and Bruno waits too much to cross. So no bad intentions, just a skill issue.

@peterparker_78

18 күн бұрын

Fair point

@andrewcormack291

18 күн бұрын

Garnacho can cross he’s got some nice assists this season from putting the ball in the box but I will say his decision making need to get a bit better but that will come with time and age Ronald was very much the same at that age and no I’m not comparing them it’s just most youngsters struggle with decision making regardless of the potential.

@andrewcormack291

17 күн бұрын

@@zaidmohammad757 of the top of my head it has to be one of 4 rashford McTominay shaw or dalot but Jose was the one to bring dalot in and there could be more players what’s played under Ole and Jose I can’t think of anymore

@michaelpitchford2870

17 күн бұрын

Can we now get Darwin Nunez in to help Rasmus Hojlund, or would he cost too much 🤔

@andrewcormack291

17 күн бұрын

@@michaelpitchford2870 or to replace rashford 😂

Careful now mark, don't say Rashfords name in the criticism, you know you told yourself not to, because you're afraid

Luckhurst is a joke. Him n his pal Rashford need to go somewhere far away from this club.

Players need to spend more time listening than talking. And more training and doing than bitching and moaning.

Luke Shaw, Anthony Martial and Marcus Rashford

@MMCQ87

18 күн бұрын

Sell them all

@walksinshadow

18 күн бұрын

lindelof, mctominay are also there too

@user-zn9oz5mu4r

17 күн бұрын

Sell them

@jakelane130

17 күн бұрын

Its not the players what about the staff around the club?

@Sterayb

17 күн бұрын

It's the brother of one of them doing it for a bit of cash

Bro yaps for 30 minutes every week about the same stuff

All of a sudden Goldbridge is championing ex-players opinion because it suits his agenda in keeping ETH, hilarious...Also all the subliminals at Rashford all the time across different videos are pathetic just call him out

Surely the not looking up & passing has to fall on ETH too.

Nicholas Jackson has more goals than Rasmus 🤣🤣

@ajnz2420

17 күн бұрын

Jackson has a lot to his game, if his finishing improves he will be a good no 9.

@Clairbear2803

17 күн бұрын

His finishing stats has improved

@sreehari7467

17 күн бұрын

Nicholas Jackson has more non-penalty goals than Cole Palmer. He's a good player

Mark talking like Ricky now

Don't blame the journalist you have to be seriously regarded if you can't see that YES the players don't and WONT pass to Hojlund

@Andrew21219

18 күн бұрын

Rasmus isn't good enough. After getting rid of him Atalanta have reached the Europa League final and qualify for Champions League next season. And they got €70 million for that. The real question should be who paid that amount for him.

@tagar7909

18 күн бұрын

@@Andrew21219ur acc stupid mate. J wanted u to know that. How is he bad then?

@187_six6

18 күн бұрын

⁠@@Andrew21219did Hojlund stay at Atlanta a good season?

@ethanburdett2851

18 күн бұрын

​@@Andrew21219As Goldbridge said in this very video, Man Utd strikers have had the "graveyard shift" for the past 5 years if not more. You're telling me they didn't want to pass to Cavani and Ronaldo either because they weren't good enough?

@user-ip4fd9fr6m

17 күн бұрын

So the players that are still there under Marrinio & Oli is Rashford and Mactomany

Just sell Rashford already. I have had enough!

@ashtonndlovu9470

18 күн бұрын

The windows still closed genius

@yusriex1545

18 күн бұрын

Nobody will want him.

@lervish1966

18 күн бұрын

Free transfer him.

ETH is weak. Sir Alex said if you don’t pass to RVP you don’t play. Rashford, Garnacho and Antony haven’t given Rasmus a chance all season. We have had Amad on the Bench all season without a chance despite being the most comfortable on the ball. It’s weak management, he should have cut this out in the first few games by dropping selfish play but he has let it fester and turn toxic with his desperation not to upset Rashford

Ferguson told the players. Every chance you get give it to van prrsie or else you dropped. Come on ten hag. Give it to them

i believe it. watch. nobody passes to him.

@dylanwestren

18 күн бұрын

His hovement is bang average, soesnt often get into goalscoring positions

@vexto4592

18 күн бұрын

@@dylanwestren the others are not better either, shooting from outside the box and missing. Just do their job and pass to the striker.

@MartynParsonage

18 күн бұрын

​@dylanwestren yet when they do pass, he has a good average of actually scoring

@NickQuigley-dp9so

17 күн бұрын

​@@dylanwestrenlol you obviously don't watch his runs and no-one is looking up to pass to anyone never mind Rasmus

@gaara6292

17 күн бұрын

when you pass to the guy he loses the ball instantly so I can understand them

We overpaid for Rasmus

Wasn't mark the guy that said we shouldn't look at stats cause stats lie? Rasmus is a great prospect but he shouldn't be starting for us right now, in a couple seasons he could be, but he needs to work on hold up play and ariel ability.

@zefe3886

18 күн бұрын

Well we should start without any forward cause we have selfish players

@Photosoflife

18 күн бұрын

He was supposed to be splitting time with Martial this season to ease the load and rotate. But we know how that went.

@dylanwestren

18 күн бұрын

Can't spend £72m on a reserve, he has to start games

@robbiefahy

18 күн бұрын

So should we also drop Garnacho and Mainoo who are also still raw and have elements of their games that they will have to work on over the next few years. Talking about young players like this is reductive and dangerous. They need to be allowed to have bad games.

@johno8425

18 күн бұрын

You've completely missed the point of why he looked at or used the stats. It's to call out the bullshit, not claim that Rasmus is a finished article because of his conversion rate. Time to wake up, or move on.

The Geordies will love the waterfalls

@anthonystephenheath3752

18 күн бұрын

Gives them a bath I suppose

@ChrisTopher-gu8gf

18 күн бұрын

​@@anthonystephenheath3752we'll wash ourselves in your tears 😅

@user-qn2vs1up7o

17 күн бұрын

Gordon and Isak are able to kayak their way through casemiros legs without a paddle 😂

@Thoushaltplaymore

17 күн бұрын

​Manchester is a massive 💩hole only beaten by Birmingham London!

@owlhouse53

17 күн бұрын

We’ll bring our inflatable armbands to your leaky ‘Theatre Of Streams’ 🌧️💧🌊🌊

Pellistri always seemed to be a creative player when he came on and I think that's what got the crowd going ....sadly hes been run out of the team 😔

@Ash-si3lb

18 күн бұрын

Ten Haag alienates the actual technical ballers. He's a criminal.

@voight-kampff3611

17 күн бұрын

Sancho out as well and Greenwood gone. EtH has no clue.

@praisephillip3407

17 күн бұрын

@@Ash-si3lbyou said it all📌

Mark, you wouldn’t be crying this much if it wasn’t written about “Rasmus”

Of Rasmus' 8 PL goals, only three were assisted. If the story is true (it isn't it's Luckhurst's butthurt propaganda) then how would players know he isn't good enough when they don't pass to him in the first place?!

Ultimate bit of irony from goldbridge, acussing media of clickbate. His entire Chanel is clickbate echo chamber

Conference league. It’s more games for us to watch and it’s our level. We may even get to a final. Yay

@zefe3886

18 күн бұрын

We wont even get into Conference league

@christosjoseph7409

18 күн бұрын

@@zefe3886 he asked a question I’m just answering it

@christosjoseph7409

17 күн бұрын

@@nevillewhite5559 yea we may beat them

@sreehari7467

17 күн бұрын

​@@christosjoseph7409 Aston Villa failed to reach Conference League Final.. I don't these these lads would even get past Quarter-final

If you watch Greenwood this year in Spain, you'd see a much more creative passing player. Spain has helped him see more of the field. Could you image Rasmus on Chelsea instead of Jackson or Nunez with Liverwurrst? OMG! He'd be one of the top scores in the league for sure. Total BS that he isn't good.

@ajnz2420

17 күн бұрын

Rasmus is currently at a championship level. He is young and will take time to adjust to the PL. No one should be surprised by how average he has played this year, I can't really think of a young No9 who has come from the continent and succeeded in his first year. It is definitely not a given that he will succeed but he does need time. The club do need to bring in a senior #9 for next year. Selanke would be my choice.

@Impostor39890

17 күн бұрын

Relax, he wasn't even near the top goalscoring chart when he played for Atalanta.

Man Utd make young players worse. Ten Hag made huge mistakes in the transfer window, and he should get the sack for what he have done. Shambolic!!!!!!

Can’t believe how delusional you are to think Arsenal weren’t able to control the game. They were in 1st gear and were in no rush to do anything they knew they had United where they wanted them and weren’t worried in the slightest 😂

@JoFreshFrancis

17 күн бұрын

I disagree

@Samuel-hd3cp

17 күн бұрын

As do i. United deserved a draw on Sunday.

Why does ten hag play a left footer on the right and a right footer on the left, no wonder we don't cross the ball, it would be like putting Giggs on the right and Beckham on the left, DAFT!!!

@eyisam

17 күн бұрын

Lol that's the mordern style of play.. Same with city, arsenal and rest.. All play inverted wingers

@stesykes7221

17 күн бұрын

But it doesn't work

@dyoutube439

17 күн бұрын

@@stesykes7221 it works for every other team. Mo Salah, Cole Palmer, Grealish, Bernardo Silva and Foden (a lot of times play on the right), Saka, Martinelli, even at Rashford's best he plays on the left.

Hojlund is a squad player.

This is the same fanbase who ridiculed the idea of getting Harry Kane.

Utd must ban MEN from all press conferences

And statistically Hojlund gives interviews to the United Stand

You're wrong about the arsenal game, they did park the bus.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is related to Rashford and his little PR team trying to shift the narrative to another player.

Pellestri is the type of wingers we needed

@Photosoflife

18 күн бұрын

Bingo. An actual proper winger that looks to supply the forward.

@VirkStar321

18 күн бұрын

Kind of but we need more of a physical presence. He’s quite weak and I don’t think he offers full potential yet

@macattack1986

18 күн бұрын

@@VirkStar321 a lot of top teams have hardly any physical players especially on the wing

@jonatanaddis1768

17 күн бұрын

Hehe

Why is the Manchester evening news not aloud to say what basically mark says ? The players don’t sit reading stats the player FC and hypocrisy on here gets worse by the day

Complains about Luckhurst publishing a story about Rasmus leaks and then continues to do a show around it. He’s clearly got the information from somewhere within the club. No one is forcing your channel to publicise any shows on Luckhurst articles. Our wingers provide no service and these include new wingers from the 5 years mentioned, this is either lack of tactics from ETH or something deeper. These articles shape your content and earn your bags. Could have just done a show on the Newcastle game but you’ve chosen the other route, that is probably going to get more engagement. All about the 💰💰💰

@dkinclonberne

18 күн бұрын

Are you Captain Obvious? That's a whole lot of words to say nothing

Mayby Luckhurst has a point Rasmus is getting no service.

@tomvanvenrooij1811

18 күн бұрын

He's wrong about the reason why he gets no service. No striker got service in the past 5 years.

@efegbareefenedo6668

17 күн бұрын

Rasmus off the ball movement poor. Its not about service

@ukuthulakhumalo6288

17 күн бұрын

@@efegbareefenedo6668 was Cavani’s off the ball movement bad? Or Martial? Your point is moot even if it was right because the last striker to get real service was Zlatan 7 years ago

@efegbareefenedo6668

16 күн бұрын

@@ukuthulakhumalo6288 Cavani missed two-third of the season and still managed 17 goals in 2190 minutes, which is basically 17 goals in 24 games. Get your facts straight

Mark should prove that the story is false if he has evidence to do so.

@ashtonndlovu9470

18 күн бұрын

It was never proven to be true in the first place

But mark, there at the end haven't you said everything wrong with the coaching, if wingers are not putting crosses across or players playing as individuals, maybe it's coz they are coached that way

Ten Hag needs the boot. All these problems come back to him!

It's weird but it might be good to skip one year in Europe,because it gives a lot more time to train on routines in the premiere League. And this squad as it is now will get battered on every field. There will come a lot of new players in and they will have to be accustomed with each other

@rajivsharma808

18 күн бұрын

Agree with you 💯

United is not a football club, its politics all around. Should make web series season wise instead of playing football... It will be super hit

We see rashford dribbling and givin the ball away every week

It's not just Højlund that doesn't get passed to. It was the same sort of thing with Donny van der Beek. Donny would get the ball, pass it, and expect to get it passed back to him, which didn't happen. So I do think it's true that certain players don't get the ball passed to them, for whatever the reason. I hate to think Garnacho is starting to act like the toxic players.

Mark knows who the leaks are. I’m sure it’s Rashford as he know Rashy will take legal action.

Well journalists have a code of conduct. So what's yours Mark?

I think the players are scared to try to make the penetrative pass to Rasmus

If people actually Remember Ole bought Sancho a RW and either didn’t play him or put him on the LW. Look at his mins in his first season and position. Ole Got sacked and then Rangnick preferred rashford and Elanga. ETH Came in and wanted Antony straight away. So with everything Mark is saying about how this club is run top to bottom and the toxicity. Are we surprised his mental health dropped?? His tweet said “ All I want to do is play football with a smile on my face” now look at him in a better environment at Dortmund.This whole club is lazy not just Sancho. That’s an easy scapegoat

Alternatives like shoot from one degree angles and miss. Lean spell with no service - I know let's give him less.. If it aint BS, it's disgusting. Cut your losses and get those players out. Now!

At the end of the day Casemiro cost us against arsenal plain and simple , yeah he’s not a defender but anyone should be able to tackle

Hoilund is NOT better than haaland dont even try it 🤣

@mahfoudseraf5995

17 күн бұрын

Haaland ghosts in big games FACT

I personally think Sancho was wasted on the left mostly at United. Asking him cut in was abhorrent.

Donny used to pass and move but never got the return ball saw it loads of times

Imagine you are Rasmus and you wake up in the morning read that and now you have to wonder who leaked that to the press?

Manchester United problems is manager

Are you gonna call out your favourite player then Shaw. I strongly believe its him

And how can you explain Hojlund didnt receive the ball that much???

On sticking together, I never understand why we never do a huddle together before a game?

The United stand is one of the biggest critics of Samuel luckhurst and what do know, the two players he’s gone in on the last couple of months have both interacted with TUS 🤔

Fergie told his players if they don't pass to Van Persie, they'll be out of the team.

It’s the same scraps martial was playing with mark

Mark again exaggerates skill levels of Hojland. Very average player with poor hold up play. No wonder other Man Utd players do not feed ball to him. Goldridge only supports Hojland as only player giving recognition to United Stand!

No way he’s comparing Holland and haaland

@Photosoflife

18 күн бұрын

He is because the underlying conversion rates show they have been very similar this season finishing opportunities. The difference is Haaland’s teammates supply him with opportunities much more often than Hojlund’s teammates. Actually listen to what Mark is saying.

@Jjayman

18 күн бұрын

He's just talking about the lack of service for Hollund. What's wrong with that?

@csl750

18 күн бұрын

​@Photosoflife that's a big problem with a lot of supporters, they don't listen and can't think and read between the lines...

Get them out! Sell the players! Sell them! Sell them! Sell them!

@Jonathan99911

17 күн бұрын

And fire the incompetent coach!!!!

Cuckhurst needs to be revoked access from the press conferences

The leak came from the roof mark.

We'll never put crosses into the box when we have inverted wingers - sad but true

@TomKearney-pr9gq

17 күн бұрын

Yep Ten Hag wasted 400M!

@Papa_Luigi_

17 күн бұрын

@@TomKearney-pr9gq he didn't spend 400m on wingers. We haven't even been using normal wingers in years. People bang on about how much he's spent but people can't click with the mediocrity around him.

@TomKearney-pr9gq

17 күн бұрын

@@Papa_Luigi_ He spent £80M on Antony. If for some reason he keeps his job. he needs to kept well away from transfer decisions.

@Papa_Luigi_

17 күн бұрын

Antony was on the cards much earlier and the board couldn't execute the deal in an appropriate time frame. Don't recall Erik flying down doing the deals. Stop defending the incompetence of others and looking for a fall guy. You're better than this

We are now toxic fc

@owlhouse53

17 күн бұрын

Toxichester Disjointed 😭

It’s an utter nonsense article but we can all see Rasmus has to do more off the ball, work smarter not harder

@christopherklang8374

18 күн бұрын

Needs a better coach

@David_Brent__

18 күн бұрын

Striker needs service

It is their actual job to pass to Rasmus.

It's the players around him that are not good enough it's there job to provide him

Man United would need to have a miracle to get Europe at this point