Nobody outranks Sergeant Safety except Major Negligence.

@ProlificInvention

3 жыл бұрын

BAM

@erowidoz

3 жыл бұрын

Never forget General Stupidity.

@ProlificInvention

3 жыл бұрын

@@erowidoz Double fuckin BAM

@b3nz0r12

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProlificInvention Yo dont forget about Petty Officer Incompetent who was recently employed to tick the diversity of employee box.

@georgecroney6168

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProlificInvention thankyou ma'am

I completely trust the engineering behind the cables, but I have a hard time trusting the people in charge of its upkeep. So sad.

@SocietyIsDoomed

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure those cables fail from the inside out. A couple strands get rusty and start to fail. Then a major accident happens.

@tyrannosaurusimperator

3 жыл бұрын

@@SocietyIsDoomed I've done tensile testing on a couple of cables. They all failed when one of the outside strands gave up.

@shawnbrynelson5333

3 жыл бұрын

@@SocietyIsDoomed I would have thought the outer wires would be the first to go since they'd be under the most compression/tension when they change direction.

@FUBARguy107

3 жыл бұрын

This sums up my take on rollercoasters. I appreciate them and the technology put into them but I do not trust the maintenance.

@mccellenlol4163

3 жыл бұрын

@@GermanTopGameTV Wow. Sounds like a George Carlin quote. Essentially, Carlin stated government doesn’t want and educated free thinking society. It wants a society just smart/educated enough to keep the machines running. If I added to that it would be, “And appropriately replaceable with enough speed that no one notices.”

"The standards are written in blood." I couldn't have said it better myself.

@ScarletFlames1

3 жыл бұрын

In the army we had a rule about proper positioning around APC's when they're being prepped for repairs or finished up. One of those includes "not shoving your hand into a turret mount while the electrical system is connected no matter what" We even got the recording of the screams of horror and pain of the person who didn't follow that rule. Also had a coroner report for the guy that pulled open a drop-down back door of an APC. It mostly read "shattered piece of XYZ" or "Shredded piece of (presumes) XYZ". That gets people to really respect the rules.

@Luke_______

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScarletFlames1 Had a tanker buddy once tell me about a rule they have about keeping all extremities away from the breach when its loaded, apparently one guy thought his phone was more important then that rule. He had been recording with his phone and had dropped it after he had just loaded a round and bent down to grab it without thinking then WAM. The pictures look like somebody took a 2000lbs bat to the dudes head or what was left of it anyway. Rules are definitely written in blood

@Luke_______

3 жыл бұрын

@@ts757arse They always do..

@evanleebodies

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who poo poos Health and Safety regulation should remember this

@johndias6614

2 жыл бұрын

"THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS!" These were the first words the instructor said when I took the OSHA safety class in college. The instructor introduced her self, reached behind the desk, pulled out a huge, thick book and slammed it down on the table and said "there are thousands of safety rules written in this book. The one thing they have in common is they are all written in blood." Hundreds of pages (probably over a thousand). Then she asked someone to call out a page number and she read the safety rule. This went on for 15-20 minutes. Her next comment was "The majority of these accidents were due to lack of common sense". Her final comment that began the discussion was there are no accidents... every accident is preventable". We then picked apart 25 or so accidents that each of us had seen or been involved in. This happened...why? Because of this...why? Because this... why? She took every single example and reverse engineered it to its beginning and where it started and how it could have been prevented. Lazy maintenance workers cut corners, lack of common sense, goofing around, lack of observation, complacency, poor housekeeping, improper use of tools or equipment... the list goes on. In the following weeks we studied so many scenarios... every single one could have been prevented or by using proper safety equipment and PPE the outcome would have been different and someone would not have been injured or lost their lives.

I had an ole' timer once tell me "Even if someone has been doing something for 30 years doesn't mean they have been doing it right!" I still apply it to my job.. and it still holds true

@jcunningham8041

3 жыл бұрын

This is the principal at work in Alberta, where everyone learns to drive at 14, but their driving skills only degrade after passing the road test.

@TacDyne

3 жыл бұрын

This reminded me of something said of a so called expert. "There's a big difference between twenty years experience and one year of experience twenty years ago".

@noyb7920

3 жыл бұрын

Another one I like, "Do you have 30 years of experience, or 1 year of experience 30 times in a row?"

@Monstrick1

3 жыл бұрын

That is the fault in his "never seen that happen before" argument, then he needs someone to fall to their deaths at least once to learn that it CAN happen. Idiotic logic. People have imagination and foresight for a reason.

@danceswithferrets

3 жыл бұрын

I've left several jobs because of the phrase "we've always done it this way." Just not worth arguing with that mindset especially when safety is involved.

"... the standards are essentially all the same: they are all written in blood" Very powerful and true statement

@HH60gPaveHawk

3 жыл бұрын

Blood and lawsuits. The trick is identifying which caused the writing of the standard

@stephenwoods4118

3 жыл бұрын

Yes like the FARS which are written in blood and bent and broken airframes.

@cgirl111

3 жыл бұрын

This is a common saying in the aviation community.

@coopkink

3 жыл бұрын

This definitely spoke to me being an ME

@peterhoulihan9766

3 жыл бұрын

Either the blood spilled before they were written, or the blood spilled by them. Don't blindly trust the standards, they're not always written to protect you.

As someone who just got hired by a facility with significant amounts of deferred maintenance: nothing is more permanent than a quick fix to get back in production.

@benzranger1425

3 жыл бұрын

I think I heard it from uncle bumblefuck himself, "nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution that works."

@TheDz1991

3 жыл бұрын

@@benzranger1425"... then a bodge that works. " my favourite of his bumble fuckery.

@vripscript

3 жыл бұрын

what company? your part of the problem if you keep your mouth shut

@bradhaines3142

3 жыл бұрын

@@vripscript basically every company works that way

@cablekiller

3 жыл бұрын

This is unfortunately the case in IT as well.

"WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED UNLIKELY" If you’re an analyst/mechanic/manager responsible for warning or risk management, remember that when you paint the most dangerous scenarios as worst-case, you make it easier for the decision-maker to dismiss them. Use language like "most-consequential" and not "worst-case."

"I need that order in writing." Words to live by.

@daves.software

3 жыл бұрын

I don't care if it's in writing or not. I still wouldn't deliberately disable safety equipment. I would quit before I did that.

@CorwynGC

3 жыл бұрын

@@daves.software It rarely gets to that point. When it is clear you are asking them to take responsibility they flinch.

@erithanis

3 жыл бұрын

@DavidSharp also expecting its the responsibility of the guy at the bottom of the pyramid to quit as the solution is no solution at all. Right or not people will chose to feed their family over yours when push comes to shove. The incentives need to involve the higher ups. It is their responsibility to verify the working conditions are such that safety can be maintained as much as it is the workers to follow the safety guidelines. The liabilty needs to go further up the chain than it currently does in practice.

@riccardo1796

3 жыл бұрын

In Italy the CEO or founder of the company is ultimately responsible for safety He can delegate the execution, but not the responsibility The other people involved should only get the equivalent of aiding and abetting

@rberkar6669

3 жыл бұрын

I have stopped two "orders" that way! They do that so they look good that production started again, but when things go sideways you are left holding the bag!

"You don't need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules." That is a really great statement.

@renners9636

3 жыл бұрын

Don't need any rules to realise the actions here were stupid.

@haydenhull5761

3 жыл бұрын

I liked that saying I'm having it made into a sticker and placed on the shop door for my employees

@Laugh1ngboy

3 жыл бұрын

Safety Third.

@Muadddibb

3 жыл бұрын

That's a very dangerous statement...

@jeffmirza2893

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrevdm6406 i agree to an extent, but this was not the doing of a youngster. Quite the contrary. So perhaps your perspective is worth reconsidering. Or just chalk it up to an ‘exception’ and continue living in the ignorance of generalizations.

“Foolproof systems do not take into account the ingenuity of fools”

@ProlificInvention

3 жыл бұрын

BAM

@ProlificInvention

3 жыл бұрын

*AvE*

@0num4

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard it as "every time a foolproof thing is designed, a better fool comes along"

@888johnmac

3 жыл бұрын

@@0num4 .. yeah , thats the phrase i was going to put here

@charredskeleton

3 жыл бұрын

Right they ALWAYS invent a better fool. It NEVER ends.

It’s sad to think of all the men whose blood and sweat went into building that thing which included (among thousands of design elements) designing, building and installing a brake feature that was, decades later, disabled for negligent reasons. Hard work disgraced. Pride lost for foolish reasons.

@07Flash11MRC

2 жыл бұрын

It didn't happen just recently that the brakes have been disabled. Part of my family have worked for different companies (to make sure the owners of the cable cars are sticking to proper safety procedures etc.) in the Alpes and they can vouch that that has been common practise since (at least) the 1970s. In the capitalist system it just isn't profitable enough to keep the brakes on at all times. Why? Because whenever the wind is too strong or something else happens, that is out of a human's control like the weather, the (very sensible) brakes already intervene and it angers the greedy owners. Caring about humans isn't profitable, but using humans as cannonfodder sure is.

This whole situation with the brakes sounds like when someone replaces a fuse with a bigger fuse, then finally wraps the fuse in foil, because the circuit keeps popping fuses. The brakes dragging was a symptom of a maintenance problem, not the source and cause of the problem.

@imgoodaswell9558

3 жыл бұрын

@Pimp My Ditch Witch have you really seen people do this?

@Narcan885

3 жыл бұрын

@@imgoodaswell9558 Haven't you? People also tie up the emergency levers that requires constant pulling to not stop the action on lawnmovers, chainsaws and logs splitters all the time.

@imgoodaswell9558

3 жыл бұрын

@@Narcan885 have not. My mower has a mulcher. No need to prop anything up or tie down the propeller lever.

@thomasstuart6861

3 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine had a new car under warranty and the turn signals blew the fuse. Garage looked at several times and shrugged. We wrapped the fuse in tin foil and burnt out the entire wire harness....then they fixed it.

@richtes

3 жыл бұрын

@@Narcan885 I had an old Sabre lawn tractor that I put a big wire tie around the seat sensor. There was no way to get on and off it other than shut it off. That doesn't work with a leaf vac with the garbage can you have to empty every row. The battery died before I got very far. The newer X500 I have now lets you engage the parking brake and hop on and off (the brake also turns off the blades). So sometimes the safety is so badly designed it's useless. Not the case with the cable car, but poorly designed safeties are more likely to be disabled than well designed.

Bypassing the e-brake is nothing less than gross negligence. The consequences of their actions were fully understood when doing so.

@Bacteriophagebs

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Gross negligence is very hard to prove, legally, but deliberately disabling a lifesaving emergency system does fall into that category.

@TheBigdawg441

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bacteriophagebs Installing a maintenance tool to circumvent the safety system is pretty cut and dry IMO

@MrAlekoy

3 жыл бұрын

Since 2014 none the less. Even looks like they bothered to paint the lockouts red while they were installed...

@Calligraphybooster

3 жыл бұрын

I would not call something done intentionally ‘negligence’ which is ‘not to do something’ (but English is not mijn moedertaal).

@Wallyworld30

3 жыл бұрын

@@Calligraphybooster They neglected the safety for the passengers. They put in some effort even to ensure it was neglected which is criminal.

A friend of mine was the safety inspector at a theme park years ago, he shut down a coaster because it was unsafe. The park fired and replaced him and a week later the coaster went off the rails. Profit > Safety

@nutbastard

3 жыл бұрын

I worked as a ride operator for a summer, and thankfully they took safety really seriously. Every day before opening an engineer would inspect each ride. Then the manager would inspect every ride in their section. Then the ride operator(s) would perform a third inspection. Shout out to Oaks Park outside of Portland OR.

@Delibro

3 жыл бұрын

@Rob Stop It: Your right, and that's where the government go in and talk some words. And we all if we get to notice things like that.

@chadlucier

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you AVE. We appreciate your common sense approach to engineering , and life.

@Phixx3r

3 жыл бұрын

Italy has a ton of government. How corrupt it is might be a different story. I completely agree with Ave. This management and if their government gives final oversight then they're management.

@Phixx3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@nutbastard fun times grew up outside of there. Been there plenty. Good to know.

SO many deadly accidents, from Challenger to Chernobyl, caused by management saying "Do it anyway". This is just one more example.

@thewhitefalcon8539

3 жыл бұрын

On the other hand, 99% of times they say "do it anyway" it goes perfectly fine. So it's not that simple.

@rufiorogue

3 жыл бұрын

@@thewhitefalcon8539 If you always cross the road on red light, 99 times out of 100 you may get through alive too.

@Lukas_Seidl_1

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah maybe that was the case but you're a terrible tech if you do it anyways just because management told you to.

@BlastinRope

3 жыл бұрын

On the flip side, you can't learn to fly heaps of metal or fake landing men on the moon without at least some "do it anyway"

@valvodka

2 жыл бұрын

do you know that maintenance techs said there was an issue and were told not to repair it? do you?

Disabling the breaks seems to be at the level of criminal negligence, like drinking and driving, and those responsible should be tried for manslaughter.

@Rocker-1234

3 жыл бұрын

exactly! just like in plane crashes when airlines are caught cutting corners and it leads to a fatal accident they get charged for it same should be happening with the maintenance crew or at the verry least the company running the cable cars

@SarahC2

3 жыл бұрын

AFTER the emergency breaks had broken many strands in the rope!

Jesus, he disabled the brakes in 2014. That's a long time playing accident roulette and thinking your number will never come up

@johnmartin1114

3 жыл бұрын

2014 WOW that is incredulous

@berthuggins8042

3 жыл бұрын

The elevators in my office get annual inspections. I can’t believe there are not bus loads of inspectors for every conceivable form of transport in a EU country. It boggles the mind this could go unnoticed for so long.

@danwhiffen9235

3 жыл бұрын

In fairness, you only need a seat belt during an accident. Terrible situation and should always be a sobering reminder for engineers.

@steampunkskunk3638

3 жыл бұрын

2014..... Wow. So did inspectors never try and test the emergency brakes at least once during all those years? It's safe to conclude that the inspectors either. * Did not do their job properly... Or * Knew the brakes were disabled and failed to report it.

@wmd240sx

3 жыл бұрын

@@steampunkskunk3638 or the maintenance guy removed the calapers every time the inspector came round.

The anger in your voice at the sheer incompetence and the unnecessary deaths was striking. Informative as ever. Thanks AvE.

@justinandrade2299

3 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed. (Assuming you're not being sarcastic) Isn't it sad that when somebody speaks properly, we notice it and feel the need to bring it up?

@Chippy_777

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinandrade2299 I agree, but he managed to sound Uber smart

@dlewis9760

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chippy_777 Because he is. I don't think most of us would be here if we didn't believe that.

I am Italian, I can tell the news are all over this horrible event. I feel absolutely disgusted by the sheer negligence and stupidity.

@lolilollolilol7773

3 жыл бұрын

it's right up there with the wreck of the Costa Concordia

I LOVE these talks on safety or standards. They give me ammo to bring into contract talks regarding maintenance scheduling. As well as justification for making management follow through on time sensitive work orders & requisitions.

even if everything looks okay, when the thing named "emergency" is broken, it's an emergency. aka shut everything down

@richardbrobeck2384

3 жыл бұрын

for sure!

@dogg755

3 жыл бұрын

seems so simple when you say it, sounds like a grey area if you mention it to management

@cosmonauteable9151

3 жыл бұрын

@@dogg755 Never comply to management when you know the dangers. Ever. Even if you're fired you will be fired with a clean conscience.

@ramblincapuchin9075

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogerborg I can't wrap my head around this "too big to fail" approach to the corporate world You're looking through the same lense as described in the video- the comodifying and dehumanizing of the individual You may never again work in system that pays out six figures, but as an able bodied human being there is always a path to proactive behavior. You find people to work with/for who have the same outlook when it comes to doing the right thing

@jannikheidemann3805

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogerborg That is why people who blow the whistle on serious issues need to be protected from being fired for doing so.

This "accident" has had a strong impact on all of us here in Italy. Heartbreak: yes. Surprise: no. And that's very sad in itself. We've had countless "accidents" on infrastructure over the years. This one, as well as the bridge collapse in Genoa, just to name another. All of these events have the same underlying cause: WILLFUL lack of proper maintenance. They knew the strands in the Genoa bridge were corroded, they knew the brakes were faulty on this aerial tramway, they knew the track was faulty when a train derailed a couple years back. Like AvE would say, IT NEVER ENDS. I am disgusted.

@TheDutchShepherd

3 жыл бұрын

@ChimneyOnADustbin and the link is?

@stephenw2992

3 жыл бұрын

As much as I love Italians and Greeks, they love to cut corners on everything.

@creativecredence850

3 жыл бұрын

@ChimneyOnADustbin ahahaha! He was asking for the _hyper_ link, not the link between your comment and Dario's. "What is the link for this documentary you are recommending?" is the way to phrase it.

@alanmumford8806

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDutchShepherd Google is your friend. Even if only this one time!

@MrJest2

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenw2992 It's a friggin' *lifestyle* there. Top to bottom.

This is such an important video. Every engineering school, or mechanical trade school should have to watch this before starting in the field. Good stuff

@nerdlydood

3 жыл бұрын

you know he's serious when he doesn't even utter the word "enginerd"

The thing is for every occurrence like this there are 10 that are unseen, undiscovered just waiting...

@MattBrownbill

3 жыл бұрын

We have a 'near miss' book at work, for anonymous reporting of such things, luckily there are very few.

@dr_jaymz

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattBrownbill there's a reason there are so few. Unfortunately, covering up mistakes and liability tends to hinder these. You never see entries like 'found safety cable just had one thread left, suggest check more often.'. That's why we tend to have to write it in blood. The other thing is, things get found on inspections and I think most of the time people don't realise the significance - IF a series of events had lined up. For example, a paperclip falling into a keyboard in a subway control office could set of a chain of events leading to a dozen deaths.

When I was a young guy in the service, working as a mechanic, I recall hearing a Captain give a safety briefing prior to a lot of equipment being moved into a new hangar. He said simply that "There's nothing in this entire building worth a human finger". That stuck with me, and has allowed me to enjoy a lucrative career working with construction equipment, primarily on aerial work platforms. Just keeping what he said in mind became the very strong work ethic that I've developed, something I've had to defend when confronted about repair costs, and I've even gone so far as to my refuse to perform sub-standard work on a variety of aerials and earthmoving equipment. And I sleep well at night because of it.

@51WCDodge

3 жыл бұрын

I've spent the last few months studying like hell for all the IPAF exams, and I'm a late comer :-) All the training 'Saftey, Saftey. Saftey' Get to site, Cost, Cost , Cost. I can se how young guys get browbeaten.

@Justowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@51WCDodge Ask for it in writing, or hit them with the osha legal requirements

@51WCDodge

3 жыл бұрын

@@Justowner Fine, You put it in writing,.The ultimate detterent to management :-) But I'm old and evil. It's the young straight from college or university, out to prove themselves ones are the danger.

I've watched enough AvE to know that whenever mining is mentioned, there's about 6 seconds before Wilhelm Albert is name dropped.

@mattjc

3 жыл бұрын

The chain and steel cable on the bench were foreshadowing.

@SerbanCMusca

3 жыл бұрын

And eventually a mention is made to the first profession of'em all.

@thesilvershield5555

3 жыл бұрын

I got excited thinking ooh were gonna hear about that one smart guy again

@kaylor87

3 жыл бұрын

Yupppp 😂 I knew the metal fatigue spiel was coming! It's such a great bit of knowledge to be aware of! AvE, you're saving lives man!

@Nitroburner01

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheepchipsable and prevent the rise of ocean levels due to global warming

Being Italian I appreciated your lack of words anytime you tried to dig down into the rabbit hole.... there's no word to describe it. Thanks mate

I'm in the fire safety industry. When the boss doesn't listen I email him my view respectfully asking him to reconsider. It's worked at least twice.

@HDL_CinC_Dragon

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for caring about your incredibly important job. I think the worst part for people in safety and inspections related work who care and take it seriously in a proper way is that, most of the time, you can never really know how many people *didn't* die because you stayed vigilant, had integrity, and just gave a damn. Hats off to you.

@gyrogearloose1345

3 жыл бұрын

You are doing good work my friend. Thank you, and keep on doing it that way.

Damn. That was some truly horrific negligence. I can't even begin to imagine the stark terror those poor passengers must have felt for the few seconds it was going downhill. Heads should roll for that dereliction of maintenance. They're called emergency brakes for a reason - purposely _locking them out_ for other than a brief test is unforgivable.

@belverdemotorsports2410

3 жыл бұрын

They apparently went downhill for 20 something seconds... they had all the time to realize what was happening.

@danwhiffen9235

3 жыл бұрын

Negligence is not the right word. Criminality.

@d.t.4523

3 жыл бұрын

Kharma will exact it's price on them.

@JohnDoe-tx8eu

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.t.4523 that's about as effective as "thoughts and prayers"

@dangerrangerlstc

3 жыл бұрын

Invent something foolproof and the world invents a better fool. Could have put every stop gap and interlock in place and someone will have been told to bypass it.

As an aircraft mechanic, this makes my stomach turn. When you have a job that involves repairing vehicles that transport multiple souls, there should never be a shortcut to get work done.

@vincenttrigg4521

3 жыл бұрын

The problem lies where people think it's fine if something happens to someone else as long as it wasn't them

In italy the infrastructure is basically a giant minefield. Imagine: you are transporting a 35t cargo on a bridge that has a 40t safety limit. The bridge collapses. The company that transports it is at fault, even if it's is rated for 40t. To carry parts needed to build a chemical plant, every road on the truck's path needs to be analyzed by the company itself, even if the cargo is nowhere near the stated bridge limit.

@Knallteute

3 жыл бұрын

Well i will keep that in mind. I will never drive special transports in italy.

@jamesgorman5241

2 жыл бұрын

So given the cost of doing that any Companies moving heavy loads are effectively rolling the dice. It must be a huge disincentive for companies looking to invest.

anger, frustration and heartbreak ring in your voice. could have been any of us on board

@AnimeSunglasses

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the most... reduced to frustration I've ever heard him. Understandably.

I can't get my head around disabling the brakes, it's disgusting how easily these deaths could have been prevented

@snakehead404

3 жыл бұрын

@@rewrite1239 my place does a good job and nothing really slips us, but I've been at plenty of companies where this is the case and they just don't want to bother with the alerts or question what the potential harm could be. It's sad that almost every successful system hack (Fuel plant in the U.S) is entirely avoidable for literally fuckin pennies.

@wayfa13

3 жыл бұрын

brah, this capitalistic world is all about profit over lives

@cubertmiso

3 жыл бұрын

@@wayfa13 at least capitalistic one is slowly self correcting system. other belief systems keep the profit and still keep humans as a hostages/labour.

@tristanwilliams3568

3 жыл бұрын

You mean except the one that does away with profit and wage-labor?

@swampypolitics9574

3 жыл бұрын

@@wayfa13 also, what we have isnt even capitalism and free trade anymore.. its corporatism and crony capitalism. capitalism is simply two parties agreeing to trade with eachother... then the government and special intreests got invovled and the people let them take all their financial power away

"Clearly there was a complete failure in management" When isn't this the case?

@sogwatchman

3 жыл бұрын

I've worked for several corporations in IT. From my experience, I concur.

@jamestrahan9311

3 жыл бұрын

When the employee cares more about someone else's job instead of their own.

@evilsqirrel

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamestrahan9311 One of the main things I learned after working in a corporate environment, you can't count on someone else to do their job right.

@AlessioSangalli

3 жыл бұрын

Many times it's the actual worker failure to not follow the rules, even if management told them so. Honestly, we don't know if in this case management gave permission to the technician to bypass the brakes...

@truetech4158

3 жыл бұрын

Usually anywhere you can find the name lord being used, it's a failure in management because things such as cablecar accidents have never produced even a single afterlife, no matter what you perhaps were told while growing up.

"Don't worry, this case is impossible and it will never happen" - famous last words

@46bovine

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' brakes!

@Knallteute

3 жыл бұрын

Thats really jinxing it on a whole nother level.

"Standards are written in blood." That should of been in my intro to engineering class...

@highdownmartin

3 жыл бұрын

Every rule in the railway rule book is written because someone has died.

@garthfw

3 жыл бұрын

It's always how I begin my building code sessions.

@CoolKoon

3 жыл бұрын

"That should of been in my intro to engineering class..." - Ours was even better: we had to sign a waiver :D But alas it was electrical engineering, not mechanical....

As a young aurcraft mechanic the guy training me used to say , every time he filled out the paperwork and signed the forms, do you know what i just signed? I signed my name to a document that my work wont kill the people in the plane or the people it crashes into. A very good lesson in responsibility

@randomidiot8142

3 жыл бұрын

A coworkers son is a diesel mechanic. Same thing. Something happens, you going to be able to say that you did the work correctly?

@trustthedogsheneverlies644

3 жыл бұрын

I used be an aircraft mech (UK). My two pense is: Rember almost all the office staff are NOT personally liable like you. Have some balls to not sign off if you're not happy. Can't say no, then quit. I still wake up thinking about good by the book repairs I've done 5 years ago. You don't want a gash job haunting you for ever just so you could leave on time on a Friday.

@trustthedogsheneverlies644

3 жыл бұрын

Also for the love of god wear gloves, especially with MEK, it's band in most places for a reason. Hope you enjoy your new 24/7 colone of Avgas :)

@TTMR1986

3 жыл бұрын

My mantra is "When this plane crashes can I justify my actions to the satisfaction of the NTSB"

@rigreverse4550

3 жыл бұрын

I used to do systems management for customers in aviation and automotive. Server outage. Automotive customer: Get it to run somehow. Aviation customer: Let us know when it is safe to use again. Why? Because they don't use tools that are not 100% fit for purpose. Because if they did, planes might fall out of the sky.

i work on manlifts for a living, there is one overwhelming rule, never disable safety equipment. ive had alot of customers ask me to bypass a limit switch, or let them know how to bypass one. once they ask that i leave my lockout on the machine and let my boss know, take pictures and leave. had people ask me to just pencil whip an aerial inspection also, thats not going to happen. people forget how dangerous these machines can be, you can get lucky 100 times and nothing happens but that one time something does can take a life.

@bragr_

3 жыл бұрын

The local large reputable elevator company came to service the elevator in my building. They took one look, disabled it, and said it would need extensive repairs and/or replacement. So the building management found a different company that would throw a few parts at it and certify it. I try to always take the stairs.

@jrshaul

3 жыл бұрын

If you can't figure out how to disable something, you usually shouldn't be disabling it.

@koitorob

3 жыл бұрын

I think Cornfed needs to go on one of those 'awareness' courses. 'Man' lifts...

@cornfed123567

3 жыл бұрын

@@koitorob they had me take sensitivity training, all it taught me was some better jokes

@Mr13thatguy

3 жыл бұрын

Just quit a job because the single man lift built in 1989 we had to use all the time, was not going to be replaced. But hey, we got a new CEO of diversity and inclusion.

This was no accident (a series of random, unforeseeable events leading to an outcome). It is a mishap, which is a chain of events that occurs leading to an undesirable outcome. Mishaps can always be prevented. The first mistake here is that the bean counters run the show with the mentality that we run it until it absolutely needs fixed {it breaks}. The second is that the technician believed it inconceivable that the cable could break, which makes this tech lazy and inept. The rest of the events in this mishap are plainly obvious. I have seen the corporate profit mentality in action and it is very literally 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Then you have the operators that are the first ones to notice a problem and keep running until it breaks. Rather than dealing with a small problem now, they wait until it's a big problem and production stops and complain the whole time their machine is down. Like they say - if it jams, force it; if it breaks, it needed fixed anyway. This mentality at all levels is becoming commonplace. It's all a safety first until it interferes with profit.

@Fluffy2Buffy

3 жыл бұрын

I literally got fired for calling out some of our upper management about some unrealistic COVID restrictions being set. Literally friday that week, 8 minutes into my shift fired. for "Rampant disregard of upper management and setting a hostile work environment" I have never been written up once... Not once.. 100% agree. Profits are unfortunately all that many think about.

@Justowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fluffy2Buffy You're going to have expand on this, because your phrasing implies you complained about the existence of restrictions. And the "unrealistic" is often used to imply personal opinion.

@Fluffy2Buffy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Justowner I called out some hypocrisy, I have since learned some tact. In the words of Teddy R. Speak softly and carry a big stick." I was literally 1 position shy of being on the executive team. if I would have played nice another 2 years or so. I had moved up 3 titles in 5 years. So you can say I was getting cocky. And I learned from that moment. I'm now 90 days unemployed.

@Justowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fluffy2Buffy How do you get that close to an executive position? serious question.

Italian mechanic "I couldn't fix your brakes so I made your horn louder“

@dbspecials1200

3 жыл бұрын

Probably very poor troubleshooting abilities. the hydro e-brake applies when there is a drop in pressure. the brake was dragging, indicating a possible valving or other pressure related issue with the hydro pack. too little pressure, the brake partially applies and drags the cable. or, another type of mechanical problem caused the dragging. has to be fixed properly in every case, no exceptions.

@jakublulek3261

3 жыл бұрын

As old man Bugatti said to his customer: "My cars are for driving, not braking!" Than his son was killed in car crash...

@lcstyle2029

3 жыл бұрын

wouldn't happen in germany or the german culture.

@MrLince-hr4of

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcstyle2029 true, the germans just kill millions because they have a smale weiner

@waspgaming9077

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLince-hr4of Even if our weiners smale, at least they're not small :з

A complete family of 3 generations have passed from this accident, they were from my small country, thanks for discussing the topic..

@boots7859

3 жыл бұрын

@LazicStefan Dude, been in IT the last 25 years and the tone deaf fucks like you are the minority.

@Jake-bt3fc

3 жыл бұрын

@@boots7859 Everybody knows not to put all of their eggs in one basket. Especially if you're going to dangle it hundreds of feet over a mountainside.

@63jeepj20

3 жыл бұрын

@@boots7859 where did he state he wasin IT and why does it matter that youve been there 25 years? He was stating that putting everything in one place will rarely end well. Dont be a douche

@Midwesternhighlights

3 жыл бұрын

Shut that ef up you idi0t

@Danuxsy

3 жыл бұрын

Never put all eggs in one basket...

they've actually immediately arrested the owner and 2 executives. but suprise: they've been set free. only the operations manager is still under arrest.

@TheGiuse45

3 жыл бұрын

Because he is responsible, owner and executives are not technicians, if they were they wouldn't have hired him

@WarpPotato

3 жыл бұрын

As usual. Same crap everywhere. Those bastards up in their cabinets dont give a damn about people or nature unless it gives them profit.

@creativecredence850

3 жыл бұрын

"and every politician, every cop on the street, protect the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite" -How The World Works, Bo Burnham

@blitzkriegpower

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGiuse45 the management was informed of the situation, for sure. The moment you as a manager are informed, the problem becomes your and you have to be sure it’s resolved ASAP, also you shut the operations until the problem is solved. You don’t have to be an engineer to know what safety brakes are, that’s why they call them SAFETY brakes.

@jorehir

3 жыл бұрын

You can keep people in jail before the trial only if they are a public danger or if they're likely to escape or if they can hack the proofs.

A quote from a New York Times article on the Champlain Towers Collapse in Surfside Florida... "Charlie Danger, who retired as Miami-Dade County’s building chief seven years ago, said unauthorized remodeling could result in someone eliminating a structural support column." Charlie Danger... You just can't write this stuff!

Mark Stanley wrote, in his story "Freefall", that "Killing your customers is bad business practice", you can always make more profit when more people are alive for you to exploit.

"Standards: They're all written in blood." BRAVO Teacher. My memorable takeaway from another brilliant analysis.

@kwakamonkey

3 жыл бұрын

We had a safety rep that said this at every safety meeting. Some one was injured or killed before this regulation was implemented. She got a lot of stick fir saying it by some but she was correct as people that ignored the regulations got hurt or killed.

@malcolmyoung7866

3 жыл бұрын

If there was ever a slogan for a AvE T shirt/mug/sticker...then this IS IT!!

in my experience, gross negligence is a group effort.... if just one person can do the right thing....

@dcurry7287

3 жыл бұрын

...the accountant will deny it. After all, why doesn't the rest of the team want to do it too?

@slidey1788

3 жыл бұрын

Some wanker with a management degree will call them out for not being 'part of the team.

@bumboclat

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, and unironically, things go a little different in Italy.

@DandelionCollab

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone running the system with red maintenance safety lockouts in place is complicit. If they don't know that is inappropriate then there is another training failure. The trusting public doesn't know what the red bits indicate.

@antontaylor4530

3 жыл бұрын

Negligence is when someone fails to do something they should. These people knowingly did something they knew they should not. It's not negligence, it's far worse than that.

Out of all the negligence failure videos I've seen from you I feel this was has the most anger, sorrow and disgust. It's palatable. Makes what I feel even worse. You're a good man, thank you for the years of service on this platform

I'm glad you constantly bring to light various workplace accidents and how they could've been prevented.

"Standards are written in blood" That statement has a lot of weight to it.

@kchortu

3 жыл бұрын

Right when he said that, I was wait what, then the realization that it wasnt the blood of the people writing it but the people that got failed by the system in an effort to avoid that in the future.

@gautamdamodaran

3 жыл бұрын

True. Origins of ASME BPVC attest to that.

@AlessioSangalli

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, it's not a new expression, it's a typical way to describe safety regulations in all fields automotive, aerospace etc

@david52875

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure "don't disable all the safety features" was already a standard somewhere.

I'm not an engineer, but I pretty sure something called the emergency brake should be in working order 100% of the time, and never be disabled.

@tomf3150

3 жыл бұрын

I am and you're absolutely right.

@AlessioSangalli

3 жыл бұрын

That isn't correct, bypasses are for maintenance, when you need to remove the car from the cable etc.

@The_42nd_Wizard

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlessioSangalli that doesn't mean it shouldn't be in working order all the time. It wasn't in maintenance either

@InformatrIIcks

3 жыл бұрын

That's common sense, which is apparently less and less common every day

@Justowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlessioSangalli This would fall under lock-out-tag-out, and the disabling of said brakes should also result in the machine being mechanically unusable until the brakes are re-engaged.

In my experience as an engineer this kind of stuff happens when management starts putting unreasonable schedule/cost pressure on people. You ultimately see a shift from prove to me this is safe, to prove to me it's unsafe. Deviance becomes normalized and then eventually someone dies. It's sad and disappointing because there are standards and they exist for a reason. As someone who serves on ASME BPV committees I can say it is basically always the case that it's due to death (in the case of the BPV go check the Grover Shoe Factory out). You would think after the Bhopals and Challengers the world the lesson would stick, but it never lasts all that long unfortunately.

When a Yosemite National Park ranger was recently asked why it was so tough to design a bear-proof garbage bin, he responded, “There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”

You could hear the heartbreak in AvE's voice. I knew he was a good man from his interactions with the kids and wife, now I'm convinced he is a great man.

@lifuranph.d.9440

3 жыл бұрын

Because he really cares about people.

@randomidiot8142

3 жыл бұрын

Sick and tired of seeing the same predictable outcomes time and time again. Like the crane that fell over in London town with water puddles around the feet of it..

@mattsharpe3989

3 жыл бұрын

You can hear the anger in his voice, same with all the crane collapses and the ski lift failures

One time as a technician, I was removing an old piece of equipment with a cam operated emergency brake and the cam was zip-tied in the unlocked position. Sickened me then, and it sickens me now.

*Straight forward no sugar coating, we need MORE like you SIR!*

Sir, You ABSOLUTELY Nailed It!! Any Time An Organization, Corporation Or Government Puts Profit Before Safety, The Results Are ALWAYS Catostrophic.

Finally, AvE spoke 90% English when he described this tragic accident.

@slobodanjovanovic8166

3 жыл бұрын

Noticed the same as well!

@pauldwalker

3 жыл бұрын

because he’s righteously angry at the easily avoidable stupidity that would have prevented the needless deaths in the first place. can you blame him?

@dcurry7287

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't mention where to stickle your pickle either. I appreciate a joker who knows when to be serious.

@icandreamstream

3 жыл бұрын

When the man speaks english, you know he's pissed.

@HausBauConstruction

3 жыл бұрын

disabling the fucking emergency brake is not an accident. disabling 2 of them is premeditation

By far the best explanation of this horrible accident.

@grantsdad177

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t really an accident when the technician intentionally disable the brakes

@mTs1978412

3 жыл бұрын

@@grantsdad177 lots of deeper questions

@trombonista92

3 жыл бұрын

for real, I am italian, been following italian language news regularly, I had no idea until now

@SteelheadTed

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fux704 you must be new here

"Accidents" are really more often than not negligent murder

@Milkmans_Son

3 жыл бұрын

That might be true but treating them as such isn't all that effective in preventing the same thing from happening again. Clearly the guy who disabled the e-brakes didn't think the cable would or could ever break, so killing 14 people (along with any resulting consequences) never entered his mind. Should he go to jail? Probably yes, just don't expect his being in jail to solve anything.

@cdgonepotatoes4219

3 жыл бұрын

@@Milkmans_Son I know that full well and no amount of punishment to the person behind the maintenance will ever bring back those 14 people to their families, still, ineptitude fails and let the weight of those deaths be a lesson to every person that maintains machinery which people rely on with their lives everywhere.

@Justowner

3 жыл бұрын

@@Milkmans_Son The point behind jailing this guy in particular is to turn him into an example for others in his field about where negligence will get them.

@Milkmans_Son

3 жыл бұрын

@@Justowner Great theory that goes back to the beginning of time, but in reality it does not work. He didn't think it would fail, so why would the prospect of jail even enter his mind. If jail wasn't a deterrent for this guy, why would it be for the next?

@Patrick-857

3 жыл бұрын

Accidents aren't really a thing

You’re brilliant and thank you for having the guts to put the discussion here.

“You don’t need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules” why I love this channel. Simple explanations of slightly complex things while keeping it entertaining enough to keep wanting more.

@claudyfocan731

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@AggressiveLemur

3 жыл бұрын

You'd be amazed at the amount of people clamoring to reduce regulations in the pursuit of profit.

NASA did a presentation called "Normalization of Deviance." It's applicable to situations like this brake override. Definitely worth a watch. Edit: A former NASA Astronaut

@skunked42

3 жыл бұрын

where to find that?

@Broken_Yugo

3 жыл бұрын

Also known as the whole Space Shuttle program.

@ChaosBW

3 жыл бұрын

Operation paperclip.

@martinda7446

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChaosBW What???

@bachtomin213

3 жыл бұрын

Nasa is one to talk about Normalization of Deviance. Between their history of failed launches, deaths on the gantry (Apollo 1), and lost orbiter (Challenger 73 seconds after launch, Columbia breakup upon reentry), they have lots of material.

I am impressed by the amount of knowledge you have on all the things mechanical and electronic. It's a shame they didn't do the maintenance properly...

"glass half full, glass half empty, engineer steps up and says- wait a minute. the glass is twice as big as it needs to!" -AvE not even one minute in and im having to pause the video

@kirbyspencer538

3 жыл бұрын

That saying has been around at least 40 years, probably much longer.

@yourhandlehere1

3 жыл бұрын

I need a little more info. How did this glass and water combination come to be? If you put water into the glass and stopped at that point...it's half full. If you had more and removed some, it's half empty. Otherwise I can only describe it as a half of a glass of water. The "half" being an eyeball guess. Where IS this glass? If it's on a table at a restaurant my inclination would be towards half-empty. Hmmm. I'm going to need a 150 million dollar grant to form a study group to access the feasibility of creating a committee to to make recommendations for regulating the hydrosilicate interaction terminology.

@WeebRemover4500

3 жыл бұрын

@@kirbyspencer538 well i havent, not in this body

@kirbyspencer538

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeebRemover4500 It's a great saying, and profound when you first hear it. I use it often. I was just indicating that putting it in quotations and attributing it to AvE was not completely appropriate.

@radech2285

3 жыл бұрын

@@kirbyspencer538 It's probably a who said it first vs who said it best, just like standards written in blood. It's remembering it that's important. also personal favourite was the Ach So, which he definitely wasn't the first to say.

Not even the hundreds of news here in Italy gave an explanation so clear and comprehensible. Thank you

@jjwiii1432

3 жыл бұрын

Same here! Facts and news are not related anymore.

"The profit isn't worth 14 people's lives" - there's maybe an internal memo about that.....

@edwinpap1516

3 жыл бұрын

This company will be sold as it is cheap, be absorbed into an other faceless company and this will continue happening.

@davesowens

3 жыл бұрын

And a reply asking what the acceptable number of lives would be.

@poleyd21

3 жыл бұрын

@@davesowens probably one or two a year. But not 14. Sadly

@em0_tion

3 жыл бұрын

Like all the people that die in plane crashes time and time again - no company gets the memo, just a cheap slap on the wrist.

@torstenschneider670

3 жыл бұрын

Something something stochastics. If the combined profit of all your fuckups exceeds the cost of those that led to an incident, you are in the green.

As a project engineer, i always find these sorts of videos humbling - a reminder to a more noble mission of ensuring the safety of human lives. Thank you for these honest and technical videos.

Once i was doing some IT job in one company and on my side there was a guy assembling an electric panel, and i noticed that the panel was lacking RCI and i asked why, and he simply told me that he don't encourage using those because often they cause so much hassle(due to ground faults disarming the breaker) that customers really don't like it. and i was shocked(not electrically) to know that people don't use RCI because the RCI is indicating a ground fault, instead of fixing the freaking ground fault. It came to my conclusion that good professionals are rare, and the market is filled with mediocre professionals that really don't care about what they are doing, they just want the money.

I absolutely love these chats. As a technician in a different field, these vids help me think of ways to notice potential issues before they arise. Thank you!

@DaddyBeanDaddyBean

3 жыл бұрын

The first AvE video I ever stumbled across was an analysis of a crane collapse. I enjoy all of Uncle Bumblefuck's content, honestly, but these "what the hell happened" videos are my favorite.

AvE didn't mention it, you had to pay attention to the timestamps in the pictures but for anyone who didn't notice: The brakes had been disabled for up to *seven* years prior to the accident too.

@gabrielemagnabosco8926

3 жыл бұрын

but that is only because the main and haul cables were in decent shape to begin with

@doublefuture

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 In the video he goes over that the haul cable was stressed ~by~ the brake fault, the brakes were locked out ~because of~ the fault, so not only had the brakes been locked out for SEVEN YEARS but the cable would have been stressed ~before~ the start of that timeframe

@bbgun061

3 жыл бұрын

Holy crap! Now at least we know to look for bright red clamps before getting on one of these things...

@gabrielemagnabosco8926

3 жыл бұрын

You seem to have misunderstood my comment, my bad. The whole thing only remained up since 2014 (when they allegedly started this shenanigan) because at that point the 2 cables were in almost pristine condition (for being 20 years old) I'm far from condoning it, just saying that they got lucky with the cables and kept the thing that way because it was "working good".

@childishtombino1275

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielemagnabosco8926 If something can happen, it will happen, whenever it happens. - You never risk ANYTHING

Never would've expected that looking at someones garage junk will be so interesting. Good work!

"ain't seen that in 30 years." Problem is, it last happened 31 years ago before you got hired and we have rules about that now because of what happened 31 years ago.

@VintageTechFan

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds of that Simpsons episode: "Come on Lisa, there is no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield" - "Yes, but the records go only back to 1978, when the hall of records was mysteriously blown away."

Reminds me of a story I heard 60 years ago about a farmer who went out to plow his fields with his only horse. He got to the barn only to find his horse had passed away over night. The farmer remarked. Wow that never happened before. Moral of the story. You have to prepare for the unexpected or it will come back to bite you.

@paulsengupta971

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think that horse is coming back to bite him.

@garandman8114

3 жыл бұрын

Prepare for the worse, hope for the best.

@BD-xz6te

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulsengupta971 Zombie horse: "Grains!" Ok... I'll show myself out.

Was the engineer called Jaws by any chance? I hear he has a bad track record with Italian aerial tramways.

@qno-oj3py

3 жыл бұрын

Read somewhere there were some important people on board. Smells like assassination...

@Batmannerz

3 жыл бұрын

He stopped the skookum choocher with his bare hands! That motorb so powerful that can grind itself raw it's so torquey.

@nickmaclachlan5178

3 жыл бұрын

Not to be that guy, but wasn't it the Aerial Tramway up Sugarloaf Mountain in Brazil that Jaws was dickin' with in the Bond film Moonraker?

@robot_spider

3 жыл бұрын

Jeez, you spend your career riding tram cars and no one says anything. But you bite through ONE cable...

You use your language so very well it's a pleasure to hear you speak on any subject.

Heartbreaking. Thank you for this thoughtful, frank and damning analysis.

you can hear the disgust in the way this was filmed. he had to stop himself from loosing it quite a few times!

@Wootguy238

3 жыл бұрын

Losing*

@koitorob

3 жыл бұрын

Why? He didn't sound too tight to me...

@deavman

3 жыл бұрын

@@koitorob Well..if you're gonna play that word-game, that would be " "loosening" then..

I have worked on equipment with door switches and e-stops bypassed by the last guy. I rewire and fix whatever is the problem, I cannot fathom doing this. I work on pressure vessels and hi temp washing equipment.

@JDPugs

3 жыл бұрын

People like you are the unsung heroes that prevent tragedies like this and other industrial accidents from occurring. Thank you

@TonyRule

3 жыл бұрын

Idiots like "the last guy" are the reason we are now moving to include RFID confirmation for many safety lockouts. I've encountered operators with their own lockout key so they can have access into the safety cage while the equipment is still running.

@flylowlevel817

3 жыл бұрын

Bless you for your diligence.

@RobertBeckk

3 жыл бұрын

People bypassing safety's on pressure vessels is a BIG NOPE from me dawg

@gwamhurt

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus. People (a lot of those being people who should know better) take for granted how much of the modern world can kill you in an instant. It would much more without emergency stops and failsafes.

Man just hearing you at the end really got me. Its hard seeing others fail in such a preventable way. And its always those who are innocent that have to live with the consequences.

Thanks for explaining the mechanisms of the disaster, both the engineering and economic. Very thoughtful!

I always enjoy these post mortem analyses, but I absolutely hate how often they need to be done.

Never thought I’d shed a tear with uncle bumblefuck but this is such needless tragedy.

@norfolkngood8960

3 жыл бұрын

Same as the crane, same as the walkway.... Too much dumbfuckery, truly tragic & heartbreaking

@tubewatcher5012

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, I can hear the heartbreak in Uncle's voice and it got me choked up. He's right, absolutely senseless and avoidable. And yes just like the crane etc.

@trombonista92

3 жыл бұрын

@@norfolkngood8960 at least the Marandi bridge was more of a system failure, where politicians, managers and engineers were involved, It hits extra hard when its a single millwright like you and me

@Lizardwarrior1

3 жыл бұрын

imagine being that israeli kid, sitting injured in a cable car with 5 of your family members dead stuck in it with you waiting to be saved fucking abominable

@thebootknifer

3 жыл бұрын

Right? I have a 4 month old and 3 year old. I could not imagine my daughter waking up asking where me and her mother are. This story, to a point wouldn't bother me before.i had kids. Now that I have kids, I'll spiral into depression reading these stories lol. They hit so hard when you have kids.

Sorry, I had to laugh and know it is serious but “mining, second oldest profession in the world, grubbing around in the dirt to pay for the first oldest profession in the world”. Brilliant.

@FurryWrecker911

3 жыл бұрын

What I love about AvE is he makes me look stuff up with random lines like that. I didn't know toolmakers were the oldest profession in the world, and I let out a laugh getting the joke then.

@shoechew

3 жыл бұрын

@@FurryWrecker911 Wwooooooooshh in STEREO!

@davidhick4303

3 жыл бұрын

@@FurryWrecker911 lol by ‘toolmaker’ do you mean ‘tool cleaner’ or maybe ‘tool servicer’ ? Pretty sure he meant prostitution.

@maddpeanut6313

3 жыл бұрын

Legalize the oldest profession.

@tomrogers9467

3 жыл бұрын

@@FurryWrecker911 Anyway, it was a “Whorible Joke”.

We must be aware for the after pandemic atrocities that are going to happen because people trying very hard to reestablish their profits as fast as possible, and for that, we are going to see a lot of cases like this one, like maintainable services made by less than half of the personal and with the minimum cost as possible. And by the way, my father used to had a shirt EXACTLY the same as yours 30 years ago! Are you from the past?! I have a tear in my eye to see it again. A hug from a Portuguese Covid sick person recovering with your enormous culture and knowledge! Thank you.

When you make a profit goal you get a bonus. When you make a safety goal you get a nice keychain.

@keystonerider1308

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I get a shirt tshirt turned immediately into a shop rag!

@heroslippy6666

3 жыл бұрын

its sad that this is literally a thing at my workplace.

@fredmorton1631

3 жыл бұрын

yeah! or a toolbox sticker

It might wind up being depraved indifference, if they have such a charge there... more than negligence, less than murder.

@PureAwesome92

3 жыл бұрын

Manslaughter?

@harrylucht837

3 жыл бұрын

We have a charge in the USA,it's called involuntary manslaughter

@xAtNight

3 жыл бұрын

In germany or switzerland one could try a charge for murder since management and the technician knew about the risks involved and accepted them willfully.

@robertp7209

3 жыл бұрын

Negligent homicide?

@tissuepaper9962

3 жыл бұрын

probably criminal negligence and manslaughter, could be a lower degree murder charge as well.

You are NOT wrong. I worked (43 years) for a huge Oilfield service company in the Wireline division. The way you describe the construction of, and failure modes for wire rope is exactly correct. We have a facility dedicated to pull testing wireline cables and testing splicing techniques. I witnessed several tests where the wireline broke. It is scary as hell. Keep up the excellent analyses.

Thank you for a clear explanation of what happened. All your videos are great.

Im a HVAC tech. I would never bypass a safety on a furnace to save a dollar. Safety of people is far more important than any dollar amount. Great channel. Been watching for years. Keep it up.

There are many younger men that watch your videos and this was by far the best education you have given them. Responsibility is a must in your job and your life. Peoples lives before profits. Thank you and stay safe ya crazy Canuck.

Thank you for this video these are strong sentiments they taught me at the beginning of engineering school and I hope to never forget them. I also worry though that this process of corporate dehumanization you described will only get worse. I see it too much myself and I worry that others could fall into these traps without knowing as not every act of negligence is as obvious as disabling an emergency break. It makes me mad that in the future to not displease the people in charge of our livelihoods we may be expected to act negligently, but that is how this profit-focused world is.

greed knows no bounds. thanks for the input. another example of bloat and ignorance.

"[Safety] standards are written in blood." As someone who's responsible for a building with an elevator, I'm going to quote that every chance I get.

@Ramog1000

3 жыл бұрын

the funny thing is standards where already in place workers where just to ignorant to follow them

“The standards are ALL written in Blood.” AVE

@ChrisBigBad

3 жыл бұрын

Same with the rules in aviation :(

@jenniferharkin5720

3 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of "legislation by fire", fire code is the same way

@maka5955

3 жыл бұрын

t-shirt material

@appliedengineering4001

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, I think every safety rule book out there was written in blood. Someone out there had to get hurt(or killed) before they knew that a rule was needed for that.

@ChrisBigBad

3 жыл бұрын

@@appliedengineering4001 explain fluid limits on planes ;)

Rest their souls...It must have looked like a small plane crash at that site.

My assumption what an engineer is was off by a lot before I found your channel. Thank you AvE!

These water cooler chats are always my favorite content.

@JohnDoe-zx1ck

3 жыл бұрын

Sad they so often come with such grim situations, but at least we learn from them. My condolences to the families of the deceased.

@Augur_Truth

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-zx1ck agreed. They're tragic but extremely interesting

@trustthedogsheneverlies644

3 жыл бұрын

Was expecting a tig water cooler build. Been watching too much TOT I think 😂

Now I understand my grandpa's saying "I trust the people who make the thing, I just don't trust the asshole who maintains it." I think he was talking about TWA airplanes at the time.

@qiX2wf48

3 жыл бұрын

Here are 3 more for you: Alaska Airlines 261. American Airlines 191. Japan Airlines 123. 881 total dead due to maintenance fuckups.

@tommihommi1

3 жыл бұрын

Boeing spectacularly proved this saying wrong

@drdre4397

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 Nice attempt at a strawman arguement... Not a valid rebuttal.

@jdahling4738

3 жыл бұрын

@@tommihommi1 Humans get in mindsets that create complacency, and then people over seeing them allow it to go. Complacency in certain fields is the difference between life and death, to say it’s been proven that’s not true is silly.

@DandelionCollab

3 жыл бұрын

@@drdre4397 @tommihommi1 I don't think it was rebuttal. I think it was a mention that sometimes the design can also have dramatic and fatal flaws, as well. Some recent Boeing crashes were caused before maintenance became the problem.

This is a great reason why I won't go on amusement park rides. I applied for a maintenance job working on them and was utterly shocked when they said I had to have several years of experience and they offered $10/hr for that exp. Thanks for another great video, AvE.

@MrSunrise-

3 жыл бұрын

A ride here at the Calgary Stampede collapsed a few years back. A structural member had cracked and had been repaired by welding over the crack - no grinding out the crack, no fish plates or doublers, nothing but an ideal stress riser hidden under a cosmetic layer of weld. You get what you pay for.