There is no such thing as moderate Muslims.

@70newlife

6 ай бұрын

True. Islam is compatible with modern times and it's fundamentals are clear, strong and compatible with life in any era. It does away with woke rubbish that modern social system has brought about. Thus being a fundamentalist muslim is actually a good thing unlike being a fundamentalist Christian.

@randomhuman2595

6 ай бұрын

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@irkhanbasc

6 ай бұрын

Yes, there are. They're the more quiet traditional Muslims who don't care for the radical political agitators. But you don't see or hear about them because the latter types get all the attention.

@deanfunk8448

6 ай бұрын

In fact they (the moderates) fear reprisals from the Jihadists. Can Islam reform from within or is the Salafist philosophy too dominant?@@irkhanbasc

@tarantula51

6 ай бұрын

​@@irkhanbascno there arent. quit larping. islam is barbaric and dangerous for us all. Anyone who call themself moderate muslim is a hypocrite.

I really hope this conversation moves onto a national level. I doubt the folks in power have the balls to take on the issue though

A friend of mine says that it is a political idealogy masquerading as a religion. I think this is especially true as it manifests in the west.

@irkhanbasc

6 ай бұрын

Some have said that Islam is a political ideology masquerading as a religion. It has also been said that Communism is a religion masquerading as a political ideology. Maybe that helps to explain the curious collusion between radical Islam and secular leftism.

@darthlaurel

6 ай бұрын

@@irkhanbasc An interesting point.

@edilbekabdyrakhmanov

6 ай бұрын

Hey, how about you study Islam and Quran and stop relying on your friends words on important topics such as religion and politics.

@edilbekabdyrakhmanov

6 ай бұрын

@@irkhanbasc what you just said is a huge leap from the reason and reality.

@Agnar669

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely. However, any "religion" that demands crimes be committed, should lose its religious protection and be treated as the criminal organisation it is.

Right on Niall!!!

Listening to the challenging, complex yet crucially vital issues raised and discussed in depth here on your platform John, for me symbolises that hope still lives on despite the terrifying darkness that surrounds us during these times of great peril. I'm so grateful, firstly for the contextual accuracy and true, factual accounting of both past and present events being the driving force at the heart of the discourse. Tragically, we see discussions centred around the same topics held in other forums and especially media being driven by half truths (at best), the twisting of narratives deliberately presented out of contextual integrity in order to manufacture false perceptions generated on the basis of fallacies to begin with. I hope and pray that fact and truth will will be given centre stage and stemming from that place of truth an emergence of exponential change, shining brightly for the betterment of humanity in its entirety.

That is the whole problem. The koran stands above all and everyone according to islam.

@dragonade85

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. And the political side has never worked in practice, not in the way it is supposed to in the Koran, since the first Islamic states were established.

@henkverhaeren3759

6 ай бұрын

@@EJS1972 when they are a minority they can coexist with western values

@shantishanti1949

6 ай бұрын

Jewish people or more Zionist believe they are the chosen ones. Difference ? I am no lover of Islam or Judaism I just see the hypocrisy of the argument- the devout Jews are against Israel existence and believe it should be Palestine and they live within Palestine as they have been. Only Zionist want Israel and the gas the oil and a controlling white card in the Middle East.

@EmperorsNewWardrobe

6 ай бұрын

Tom Holland has done some work unpicking its apparent perfection - essentially, that the methodology for knowing how it was written and who Mohammad actually was is still fallible, including all claims of perfection - and I wonder if this fallibilism could be the way to finally pacify the politics, er I mean, religion of Islam. If anything, public focus should hone in on the epistemology behind the Quran

@cavaleirosemlicenca3894

6 ай бұрын

That's not the problem, the problem is that it invokes violence in Muslims against those who reject Islam. Islam is not just a religion that carries a message and is accepted by anyone who wants, it is a religion that carries its message through the sword, and has global aspirations.

Thank you well done excellent research

Thank you Niall!

Very well stated. Thank you.

@ismailahmed4876

2 ай бұрын

You can afford to finance an anti-semitism course but you can’t finance your social housing.😂😂🔻🇺🇸🇨🇦🇬🇧🇸🇪🤣🇨🇦

Could listen to Niall/ John all day ..Dublin

Re: "Islam is Both a Religion and a Political Philosophy"! I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence worked that one out from day one Niall!

@mikemines2931

6 ай бұрын

Here in London after the last few weekends you wouldn't think so.

@kenhickford6581

6 ай бұрын

??????????@@mikemines2931

Political yes but not a philosophy rather the original dystopian project.

@mohamedali2858

5 ай бұрын

Western Political Philosophies Summarised Left Wing Progressive - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing traditional/religious taboos. Right Wing Conservative - Maximize freedom & equality by preserving individual rights. Libertarian - Maximize freedom & equality by severely limiting government. Communist - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing private property. Socialist - Maximize freedom & equality by redistributing wealth. Nationalist - Maximize freedom & equality by prioritizing national/ethnic/racial interests to the exclusion of others. Anarchist - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing government. Transhumanist - Maximize freedom & equality by using technology to re-engineer humanity. Ultimately, how different are these philosophies? They all believe in the same ends but propose differing means to those ends. Western political debate never transcends this very limited discourse revolving around how to maximize freedom and equality. True alternatives are never in the equation.

What can be done to promote the aspiration, within the Ummah, of a return to an Evolved Golden Age of Islam.

The Jews will always be with us, the Lord, Yahweh, will not allow His people to be destroyed. Satan knows his days are numbered , thus we see these unholy alliances forming. Those who dont follow Christ are anti-Christ and their father is Satan. Itll get worse as the earth groans under the weight of sin, and lawlessness will increase as the love of many will grow cold. We're already witnessing the great falling away in the Church, evil being called good. Jesus Christ will be returning soon. Maranatha!

@Antipodean33

6 ай бұрын

Don't talk nonsense, Judaism and Islam has been nothing but a destructive force in our western nations. They both equally have been attacking us and undermining our nations for centuries.

Problem is that the radical Islamic speakers and apologists are extremely, extremely popular among Islamic youth and muslims in general….. ‘Salafi’ muslims like Ali Dawah, Muhammed Hijab and Zakir Naik have millions and millions of subscribers let alone views…

@LevisH21

6 ай бұрын

why haven't them been arrested and deported? they do nothing but always confront and insult people of other fate. mocking other religions and only preaching "peace" afterwards. we have enemies inside the house but we do nothing. instead the government fired an actual politician like Suella Braverman for saying the obvious problems in the country. UK Conservative Party is the weakest conservative party in the entire Western world. Winston Churchill and Margaret Tatcher are rolling in their graves for what this party has become.

@irkhanbasc

6 ай бұрын

I don't know if I would call them all "salafis", but they can be a little more radical than the average Muslim and they are definitely popular, especially with Muslim youth.

Sorry to interrupt but there's a mouse on the shelf at 0:54.

Alhamdulillaah i'm a muslim ❤ From india 🇮🇳

It’s a religious philosophy,combined with a political philosophy,combined with a military philosophy,as is Judaism ,they are nearly the same

@RyanSymons

6 ай бұрын

Not even close.

"...and as defeated as the Nazis were in 1945" Ferguson might want to review Operation Paperclip before he says things like that.

"I slam" both the religion and the political system since they're both based on the Quraan and are therefore ultimately inseparable.

Jews started to have nightmares in Europe not in the Islamic world .

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

You have to be alive to have nightmares

modern Islam is just what happens when the clerical class get power and manage to keep it for hundreds of years. European Christianity almost got to the the same place in the early 1000's but the ruling class kept interfering until the clerics were constrained to just theology and NO politics. Their political power carried over into the last century, but was severely reduced. Meanwhile, the Muslin nations amplified the clerics in their midst cause it seemed like an easier path to sustained power. So far it has worked for them. when the current leadership of muslin countries sees the clerics as threats, they will change tact.

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

Europe had a ruling class, Muslim countries don't, they only have a religious state, look at Iran

This is a bit much. I'm glad you feel an 'intense loyalty' but for I can't find mine.

@Agnar669

6 ай бұрын

It's a bit much if one doesn't understand what is in the K, or the fundamentals of Sh Law....

Where does the Bible separate Church and state?

@axle.australian.patriot

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't. Separation is a modern interpretation (agreement) enacted for social stability.

@adriandiaz8665

6 ай бұрын

Give to what is due to Caesar and give what is due to god or something like that

@iliasmastoris529

6 ай бұрын

It is replete within the new testament. "Judge not and ye shall not be judged", "Render into Caesar..." and others. Christ taught of the need to withdraw from civil society and to focus on one's own spiritual salvation.

@adriandiaz8665

6 ай бұрын

Moreover several legal codes were created throughout the European world separating the church and state, theodosian code, Justinian code, napoleonic code. All borrowing from pre Christian states. That is not to say that they didn’t use the church to gain legitimacy, like coronations, crusades, colonization.

@adriandiaz8665

6 ай бұрын

But thafs also is not to say that pre-modern western states had a strict differentiation between church and state, for example the head of the Papal States was also the pope, or the eastern Roman emperors chose their patriarchs.

Contrast the political dominance and conquest of Islam versus the teaching of Jesus: “Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?” Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?” Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭18‬:‭33‬-‭37‬ ‭

Completely incompatible

I am a Muslim, and yet I separate religion from politics... I do not mean that Islam does not link religion and the state, but I say that this has no importance (in reality) in interpreting (the history of )Islamic countries and no interpretation of the present of Muslims...just as I do not mean that the New Testament did not separate religion from politics, but this, too, had no importance or meaning in the history of Christians or their present...human history is not a reflection of the people’s holy book...we will not find In Buddhism, what explains the Buddhists in Burma killing the Rohingya? Buddha did not say this, but the Buddhists take this into account in their political human behavior, and there it is, and I can find more important examples

@MarianneHMiettinen

5 ай бұрын

You seem open minded and intelligent, so I have hope you turn to scientific evidence and dare to ask what it finds about evolution for example. Have a good life :)

So too is the Vatican and the Church of Rome both a religion and a Political State Ideology in fact the Vatican is the smallest Country in the world

@gerrytyrrell1507

6 ай бұрын

The Pope doesn't preach hate.

@62peppe62

6 ай бұрын

The Vatican state has nothing to do with the muslim caliphate. The caliph is both the spiritual and political leader who , according to the islamic religion, is chosen to rule the world converted to Islam. On the contrary the Pope, the successor of Peter to whom the Lord Jesus gave the power of the keys as his vicar on Earth, is the supreme governor of Chist's Church , but is not called to govern the earth directly but exercise his moral authority on those who have temporal power. So the Vatican state wasn't born, more than 700 years after Crist, to have power on the whole earth, but to protect the Church and the successors of Peter from the threat of non Cristian rulers or even of those Christian rulers that wanted to use the Church for their own pourposes, rulers like the german emperor Henry the 4th or the king of France Phillip IV who kidnapped the papacy to the french city of Avignone.

@chrystale888

6 ай бұрын

​@@gerrytyrrell1507Not out in the open, for now.

@tochiRTA

6 ай бұрын

@@chrystale888 exactly. People are pretending like the Church didn't preach open hate in its heyday before the Enlightenment Era. After the Age of Enlightenment, they were still dubiously supporting horrible regimes like the Nazis. To be fair, the Church was two-faced about the Nazi thing. Publicly they didn't denounce Nazism (which basically says they support Nazis) but in private some Catholic priests sheltered Jews and saved their lives.

I consider the separation of state and church a myth, and do not think that it applies to christianity implicitly, and someone can correct me if this is scripturally explicit, unless I am mischaracterising the statement - as religion is a super-politic. Politics is down-stream from religion, as much as we might pretend it isn't in the modern world - our western politics are informed by our past and present, although implicit, religious beliefs. The question of Islam becomes a political one from an atheist point of view, but to a believer, the question is - Which religion is right or wrong? When people worship false Gods, I don't think Christians are going to say it is because they voted for the wrong people. Rather, the other way around. And I'm sure all Muslims would say of their own Islam that it is more religious than political, and to that point it doesn't really matter if people disagree with that. You can change someone's religious beliefs even if it conflicts with their political beliefs, you can seldom change someone's politics if it conflicts with their religious beliefs.

@johnwade1095

6 ай бұрын

Render unto Caesar.

@Raziel236

6 ай бұрын

@@johnwade1095 I saw that as a statement to keep the peace.

when i was Muslim they told me if you don't believe Islam is a religion and state you are not Muslim

As is socialism.

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

No, socialists don't believe in things without evidence

West focuses on Palestine state, where Islam focuses on divine central authority

Love Niall Ferguson!!!

Habeck is not the German foreign minister, that is Annalena Baerbock, he is the minister for economy (economic ruin) and climate.

⚠️ Regarding Islam, I’d like to share something important that I’ve learned. It’s taken me years to finally realize this......I think I’ve resisted coming to this conclusion - It was a big pill to swallow. Islam is not evil due to direct manipulation and control by rogue terrorist groups and extremists - It’s core doctrine is evil in and of itself. There are many many people in the world who call themselves Muslims. I’ve met some over the years - Many of them have kind souls. You could say they are the ‘Moderates’. There may be Moderate Muslims, unfortunately there is no such thing as Moderate Islam. I’ve realized that there is no definitive line in the sand within Islam that a Moderate Muslim can lean against that will prevent them from being forced to become a ‘true Muslim’ (Shariah-adherent). The Moderates have no logical or doctrine-based leg to stand on. They have no argument that supersedes what the Islamic scholars, and the core doctrine demand. It doesn’t matter what your Muslim neighbor interprets Islam to be. A Muslim doesn’t make Islam, rather Islam makes the Muslim. Someone not supporting the violent oppressive parts of Islam doesn’t mean they’re following a different version; it simply means they’re not adherent to what Islam requires. For all those who say Islam can be interpreted in a peaceful and virtuous manner, there’s one question I have for them - Where is this peaceful ‘version’ taught? Where is it officially codified? Where can I learn about it from an authorized source? A shocker for me was that Islam is not just religion. As stated in the textbook ‘What Islam Is All About’, which is widely used throughout Islamic schools in the US, Islam is a complete way of life: Religious, Legal, Political, Social, Military, and Economic. If it was religion only, I wouldn’t care what it teaches - To each their own. But when a political and legal system starts determining what happens to the lives of outsiders (non-Muslims), that’s where I have a problem. There are only 2 examples in all of world history that have been able to bounce back after being conquered by Islam: Spain and one other that I can’t recall. All others subjected to it have eventually fallen to be ruled over by Islam. Individual Muslims may be wonderful and non-threatening. But history speaks for itself when it comes to the overall long term effect when large groups of Muslims populate a society - Look at the past 1400 years. I realize this may seem harsh, but it’s just the truth. My motivation isn’t to spread hate, but rather to help wake people up to the reality of all this. I’m not a Muslim. I don’t speak Arabic. I haven’t been to Mecca. Everything I’ve mentioned above comes from the same things found in authoritative Islamic texts and what’s taught in Islamic schools throughout the US and all over the planet. You’re all free to find out for yourself.

@tochiRTA

6 ай бұрын

I grew up in Saudi Arabia. I'm inclined to agree with you.

@Pierre7800

6 ай бұрын

@@tochiRTA Really? What was it like out there?

@tochiRTA

6 ай бұрын

@@Pierre7800 ooh, long long story. What do you want to know specifically? I talk a bit about it in my Israel/Palestine videos on my channel.

Too late zippy professor Bill Warner said that years ago.

Oh really Niall? Well if the British loving and American loving Muslims are so prevalent, where were their voices condemning Hamas, and the 3/4 of Palestinian people supporting Hamas? YOU, NIALL, ARE A LIAR!

The way christianity was MADE to recognise the difference between church and state............... DID ID NOT HAPPEN BY MAGIC, TOOK A LONG TIME!🤨 check out those Enlightenment values eh?🤔

So much misinformatuon and anti-Christian propaganda on this thread!

I support Israel in this situation. But Christianity resisted the separation of church and state for centuries. Surely Nial, you know this? Of course you do, but you are knowingly misrepresenting facts. The only reason the West achieved church and state separation was because of the Reformation , The Enlightenment and secular rejection of religious dogma. And thank goodness for that. It's painful to think that you have abandoned rational analysis.

@melo39987

6 ай бұрын

No he didn’t. Yes, you are 100 % correct Christianity resisted secularism. Yes you are right when you say the enlightenment happened. And yes that’s why the west has thrived and it’s why we get so many people around the world wanting to either live here or adopt western ideas. However, Islam has not gone through an enlightenment. This is the fundamental problem. This is why there is no separation of church (mosque) and state. When you have that in 40 plus countries, sharia is the law. No secular state, no reformation. and no democracy.

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

Is there anywhere in the Bible that says there should be a Christian state?

Christianity, which is said to separate religion from the state, had the most control over the civil state and the appointment of rulers in Europe, and the religious courts had the right to try any civil citizen, while the civil courts did not have the right to try any cleric!! In addition to the Inquisition. The separation between state and religion in Europe occurred recently because of the state, not because of the Christian religion, and therefore the difference is not between Christianity and Islam, but rather between modern European social and cultural development and the countries of the South.

@axle.australian.patriot

6 ай бұрын

Your on the correct track with that. Western societies have learned to temper the extremities of the concept of the One true god, but it is still there, just not in the less humanistic interpretations such as what is discussed here.

@iliasmastoris529

6 ай бұрын

Yes and no. The New Testament advocates for personal spiritual salvation that involves withdrawing from the politics of the time. The western Church's interference in politics arose from Rome's deal with Charlemagne despite the teachings of the Bible and only ended de Jure after the 30 Years War, and practically ended de facto more recently. The challenge for Islam is that the Koran does not formally separate Faith from Politics.

@ibrahimanan1874

6 ай бұрын

@@iliasmastoris529 I agree with you partly, and I disagree with you partly as well, and when I explain why, I make my point clear: I did not mean that Islam does not link religion and the state, but I meant that this has no importance (in reality) in interpreting (the history of) Islamic countries or explaining the present of Muslims... just as I did not mean that the New Testament did not separate religion from politics, but this, too, had no importance or meaning in the history of Christians or their present. Human history is not a reflection of people’s holy book. We will not find in Buddhism anything that explains the Buddhists in Burma killing the Rohingya. ..Buddha did not say this, but Buddhists take this into account in their political human behavior, and there it is, and I can find more important examples, but I do not want to prolong it.

@johnwade1095

6 ай бұрын

Render unto Caesar.

@tochiRTA

6 ай бұрын

And that separation was brought about by the *atheists/agnostics* of that era (Enlightenment Era). Which _no one_ talks about yet are happy to claim credit for.

Judaism is a religion and a political philosophy and partly an ethnicity.

@saarnissim9953

6 ай бұрын

Judaism is not a political philosophy, rather a nationality (literally, from Judea). Also, we the Jews do not wish to expend and convert other like Islam does. We have no “message” for non-Jews.

Muhammad was a military commander and conqueror. Peaceful military commander?

Comes down to the thorny problem of Islam vs Islamism. Islamism is political Islam. For a long time Muslim thinkers claimed religion had no place in statecraft, according to Mohammed's own words. The secular Ataturk was nominally a Muslim.

@Xelenteontae_

6 ай бұрын

No its islam and islamism, read the Quran and Hadith, you will find out what islam is all about!

@cargumdeu

6 ай бұрын

@@Xelenteontae_ Is that not what i wrote? Youre weird.

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

And yet, other words of Mohammed contradict those words

Is Zionism a religion and a political ideology?

Islam and Judaism chose Plato , Christianty chose Aristotle. The former two have more in common then they realise, and its a shame they cant come together to critique Christianity which is responsible for some of the worst aspects of modernity (historicism and subjectivity)

@wjdyr6261

6 ай бұрын

Islam and the Quran are bastardized versions of Judaism and the Tanakh. What is the critique about Christianity and modernity?

@iliasmastoris529

6 ай бұрын

Catholicism choice Aristotle, Eastern Orthodoxy chose Plato. I don't know how long Islam stuck with Plato. Historicism and subjectivity is not the preserve of Christianity but the majority.

Duh. Has been from the start. Religion moderates their behavior, otherwise the Muslim would be a classic fascist.

You can afford to finance an anti-semitism course but you can’t finance your social housing.🔻🤣👀🇺🇸🇨🇦🇨🇭🇸🇪🇬🇧🔻🔻🤣

Like blm?

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

No.

Throwing out Palestinian both muslim and christians from their homes, bombing, harrasing and blockading them for decades and still Israel and their henchmen play victim....its appalling.

Ferguson is biased to the point that he's losing credibility as a historian.

@MarianneHMiettinen

5 ай бұрын

justification is missing from your argument

Did you know that in the not too long ago past there were Jewish Iranian citizens, Jewish Palestinian citizens and Jewish Syrian .. Egyptian.. citizens. These citizens did not encombre the ethos or the political views of these countries, the way their presence stuck out in European countries.. This has to be taken into view today for what it is worth.

@chrystale888

6 ай бұрын

It's worth nothing, the was no such thing as Palestine. G-D called the place Israel & their title deed is in the Bible that also is the cornerstone of every successful and prosperous civilisation on earth.

@al67849

4 ай бұрын

don't know how true that is

I think you'll find Israel is both religious and political as well..

@StarBroker

6 ай бұрын

I think you'll find that's wrong.

@johnschuh8616

6 ай бұрын

Israelis are divided between religious and cultural Jews.

@devp194

6 ай бұрын

There is such a thing as Jewish ethnicity, there are plenty of people who are ethnically Jewish and subscribe to another religion. Islam however is not a race.

@Microbex

6 ай бұрын

But it is compatible with democracy.

@davidjohn5639

6 ай бұрын

The words chalk and cheese come to mind. Democracy cannot back peddle to a former stage of political evolution without a loss of rights and freedoms.

What it is APolitice.? Because religion we know what its .please dont try explain sicences .😂Are not the same? Do you think Isreal fight about politice ?or Palestine...

Much the same as Zionism

@bizfromdotcom

6 ай бұрын

Nonsense

@petersibbald5444

6 ай бұрын

Yes there is so much in common between Arab Mulims and Jews. Both Semitic peoples. I get annoyed when the likes of Niall lumps all Muslims as one.

@PennySmart

6 ай бұрын

​@@petersibbald5444 No, he doesn't. He started by mentioning moderate Moslems who are loyal to their adopted countries

@PennySmart

6 ай бұрын

Except for the barbarism...

@ChayaFellerman

6 ай бұрын

Zionism is the right to live in one country- Israel. Islamism is world domination, if you’re trying to compare the 2, good luck to you 🤡

Dedication is what characterizes you.👄

@paulheydarian1281

6 ай бұрын

Niall has bought into the Islamophobic tropes his wife's been pushing for the last three decades now.😮

@bigboyshit1

6 ай бұрын

@@paulheydarian1281- why is there no such thing as hinduaphobia, Sikhaphobia, Chritianaphbia or infidelaphobia?

@dickdastardly5534

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@paulheydarian1281so challenging Islam automatically makes you an islamophobe ? Any questioning of this religion would be construed by Muslims as Islamophobia and this explains why the followers of Islam in the west are so keen to get this into law. Islam the tolerant and peaceful religion that respects its host country and then seeks to change it into the places its followers left and make it more hardcore 🤔

@donquixote3927

6 ай бұрын

@@paulheydarian1281 Any former moslem in their right mind would be Islamophobic and you expect her husband not to have empathy with her feelings?