Not being biased or bitter, but Joyce deserves the best speaker, she's calm, on point, has a strong argument, precise on her words, and clearly good at defending her claims. The way she speak is just so good.

@queeniecanete11

Жыл бұрын

AGREED

@reyn26

Жыл бұрын

Biased ung botohan sis

@domherporras6777

Жыл бұрын

Nagulat tlga ako nong ung guy nananlo eh puro lng namn sya "ah,eh" tas d pa clear mga words nya

@grazielleobispo5130

Жыл бұрын

trueeee

@saludes157

Жыл бұрын

yess

NO CUZ JOYCE IS THE BEST SPEAKER, U CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S SHE REALLY POINTING OUT AND THE WAY SHE SAYING OR EXPLAINING IT, IM SO DAMN AMAZED OF HER I LOVE HER 💗

madami naga-agree kay joyce and ako din pero I like how the girl in the middle (beside joyce) maintain her composure while delivering her arguments.

@pantikizzhiameic.9631

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure, she maintained her composure but she was so fixated on one example. Yes the opinions of the people will affect angelica (the girl in her example) but that doesnt mean she doesnt have a value and she shouldnt be given a chance to live. She kept using the story of angelica, how she was unwanted kaya dapat ipa abort na lang yung bata if ayaw naman nung nanay nila. Thats like saying that angelica should just die cuz people dont want her anyway. Ano pinagkaiba netong ate na nasa gitna dun sa mga taong nag criticize kay angelica.

@pantikizzhiameic.9631

2 жыл бұрын

Angelique pala lol

@kyleclairelnar9015

2 жыл бұрын

@@pantikizzhiameic.9631 how sure are you that that's her intention?

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

​@@pantikizzhiameic.9631 I don't think that was her intention. She was making it as an example for the others to comprehend her statements better.

AND AGAIN, JOYCE SLAYED

@rainieldagay8676

Жыл бұрын

ikr! she was the best debater for mee

galing ni Joyce 😭 they all did well grabe 👏👏

Harrison's not the best speaker. All he did was repeat his arguments without a point. Daming butas ng mga arguments nya tbh. Joyce deserves to be the best speaker. Her arguments were strong and on point.

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

Right lmao he kept on cutting joyce off w his statements na paulit ulit

19:46 Speaking of risk. Pregnancy alone comes with a BIG RISK. Lahat may risk and that's not enough reason not to do certain things. Yung maagang pagbubuntis like sa mga teens is very high risk especially yung sobrang bata pa around 10 to 15 years of age. Mas prone sila sa preeclampsia or pregnancy related high blood which can be FATAL or NAKAMAMATAY para sa nanay at sa baby. Higher risk din sila pagdating sa premature birth and low birth weight. So Imagine na mas madalas na rerape yung mga bata na posibleng nagbunga sa pagiging buntis. Hindi ba nilagay ng RAPIST yung ni-rape nyang bata sa RISK or sa KAPAHAMAKAN? Having a child is not that easy, you have to be mentally and financially prepared. Parang nangyayare kasi sasabihin ng rapist na... "oh re-rapin kita ha tapos pag nabuntis ka wag mo papalaglag! Responsiilidad mo yang tinanim ko sayo bahala kana jan! Pasalamat kanalang sakin at wag mong tanggihan yang blessing na binigay ko sayo. Kasi kung hindi isa kang Immoral at masamang tao" That is F up. -_-

@ranswift1360

2 жыл бұрын

This!

@kyleclairelnar9015

2 жыл бұрын

yes!!

@_stephaneee

Жыл бұрын

This!

@dosiejjang3068

Жыл бұрын

MISMO!!

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

Gets ko yung unanv point, pero bakit mo iassume yunv about sa rapist, like bakit rapist ang magdedecide? First of all walang may gustong ma rape ang isang tao, pangalawa wag i assume na wala ng pake ang ibang tao sa rapist.

Help. Most people chose Harrison as best speaker because of his side. Joyce was better at all points. She was calm, efficient, convincing, and very equipped with points.

WE STAN JOYCE

WOMEN'S RIGHT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING TO BE DEBATED OF, ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGALIZED

@AvtDropper

2 жыл бұрын

The baby, the unborn child is an unborn human. Why do we suddenly forget about the most basic human right which is the right to life or the right to live when we talk about abortion? 🤔

@kyotto4111

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@TeaDrinker-eq3md

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't know that Uenoyama-kun is Pro-Choice ahahaha

@boosadan28

2 жыл бұрын

@@AvtDropper you are so obsessed with "human rights" pero pag pinanganak na yung baby atnaiipon na sa mga ampunan, naghihirap sa buhay, wala na kayong pake.

@AvtDropper

2 жыл бұрын

@@boosadan28 You still don’t have the right to take a life because it’s not desirable. Because if that’s the case then we can kill anyone that is not living a desirable life or hindi nahihirapan.

First time to figure out this channel. As a teacher (but di pa po ako dep.ed), I highly recommend this one to my students. It is very helpful to them. They are not just gaining the knowledge but also their researching ability to gather data, to formulate words and sentences, to read between the lines, to handle series of questions and answers on the arguments being presented, and to handle your emotions during and after the debate. Kudos sa channel.

Sobrang ganda ng debate. Maraming salamat, iskoolmates napalawak ang aking isip patungkol sa isyu ng abortion.

Its funny how the opposing group spoke more about the law than the well-being of the woman. Where we are here to show people why that law should be stopped

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

First of all, school debate rin kasi yan. Kumbaga kung ano man ang topic na binigay sa kanila kahit labag sa kalooban nila eh ipagtatanggol nila. More on critical thinking.

@mintchocopen

7 ай бұрын

@@bogartmotomoto8222 tama like debate po yann, hate ko topic pero walang choice kasi performance tan

joyce deserved to be the best speaker!!

Joyce deserve to be the best speaker!! She can stand on her claims without hesitation All womens had the right to choice. Abortion should be LEGALIZE, specially if you are a rape victim! Maalala at maalala mo yung trauma na nangyari sayo that day na narape ka king makikita at makikita mo Paulit-ulit yung bunga ng ginawa sayong pang hahalay, hindi naman ginusto nung nanay or ng rape victim na marape sya ito na lang yung pag kakataon na pwede syang pumili sya desisyong hindi naman nya ginusto tatanggalan nyo pa sya ng karapatan? Hindi ko rin naman sinasabi na walang karapatan yung bata na mabuhay i was just saying na hindi obligasyon na mabuhay sa pagkakamali ng iba

I like how Joyce is getting the spot light now! Real queen indeed!

25:44 Human Rights? How about the right of the rape victim? So sila nalang palage mag aadjust para sa mga Rapists everytime na mang re-rape sila at makakabuntis? Hindi naman ginusto ng babae na mabuntis at hindi din ginusto ng baby na mabuo sa ganong paraan. Yung rapist lang ang tanging nag decide sa ganong scenario. Then suddenly the burden and responsibilities lies on the victim. is that "RIGHT"? pun intended lol

@denelloangelo

Жыл бұрын

How about the teens who just fuck cus they felt like it? Half of these teenagers are fighting for abortion and are USING the rape victims as a source of escape to let abortion push through, yes I know rape and incest is awful asf, but let's talk about the teenagers who have sex for fun. According to the health articles I looked up, only 5 or 10% of the women wants abortion for the rape and incest justice, but MAJORITY of the women wants to legalize abortion, is to continue their studies, education, or lack of support from the father. Now I ask you this. Except for the rape and incest victims, let's talk about the women who did not tell their man to pull out. Should we legalize abortion just for that reason? Society is just dumb enough to use this as a solution, how about give the baby up for adoption if you don't know how to take care of it? Find a loving family who doesn't have a kid I'm sure they will love it, why pick abortion as the Joe on the go solution to cover up your studies, education?

@scarlet_red5735

Жыл бұрын

@@denelloangelo But the Topic is legalizing Abortion to the rape victims, may standard na gagawin and will be followed. out of topic kana po. yung point mo kase is abortion in general but the debate topic is just within a specific scenario.

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

No one deserve to be raped. Every women need a support from the government :-(( Rape is morally wrong talaga at dapat lang na bigyan ng suporta ang mga biktima. Pero wag tayo mag assume na totally wala na tayong pake sa mga rapist. Dapat silang panagutin. Kailangan nv babae ng therapy about sa kanya. Pero hindi ko alam kung morally acceptable ang anortion dahil sa rape. :-((

@snowlise3127

Жыл бұрын

​@@bogartmotomoto8222 Oh eh totoo namang wala talaga kayong pake because this happens everytime and ya'll BARELY do the bare minimum which is punishing the rapist. F the morals at this point. Justice must be served. Look at the murderers who are killed, do you think about morals? You don't, because you think they deserve it. But suddenly, when the topic is about killing the rapist and killing the seed of her tormentor, ya'll are so "humanitarian." Think about the woman and her trauma, not just the unborn baby who will most likely not even want to live after learning that it is one of the causes of his mother's trauma.

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

​@@snowlise3127 very well said hay

Joyce is The Best speaker! ( not just ka name ko sya) pero on point sya, calm kahit rebut na. you all did a great job

joyce's team delivered best

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I love how they're saying that if there's a risk why bother doing it, they are literally against everyone from the medical field like doctors and surgeons because they expect them to do their jobs at a 100% guarantee ☠️

everyone, kahit alam po nila na tama yung sinasabi ng isang team, syempre debate nga e kahit mali yung info mo kailangan mong ipaglaban para maging debatable

24:39 nakakagigil yung sagot na "kaya nga may job hunting" pinipilit talaga nila yung babae na I keep yung bata kahit na bunga to ng rape at hindi financially and emotionally stable ang babae, jusq pipilitin pa natin yung babae mag trabahao para makapain yung bata na hindi naman niya gusto tapos yung suspect naman, nasa kulong lang? hindi niya mararanasan yung hirap ng babae sa pagpapalaki ng batang hindi niya gusto? Kaya naman sana matutunan natin na hayaan ang mga kababaihan na magdesisyon sa katawan nila. #herbodyherchoice #yestoabortion

Just like what Joyce said, legalization of abortion for rape victims doesn't necessarily mean na lahat ng rape victims na nabuntis ay dapat na mag pa abort na. Maging legal man o hindi ang abortion, may mga victims pa rin na mag papa abort, and hindi nga lang safe. I think, the legalization of abortion for rape victims is more on giving them a more safe procedure since legal na nga ito and mga professionals ang mag pe-perform ng abortion.

Best speaker si Joyce!!!!

JOYCE HAS STRONG ARGUMENTS.

@pantikizzhiameic.9631

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. She said na hindi pa daw considered na alive pag nasa loob pa. Thats like saying na being alive is subjective. Parang belief na lang kung buhay na ba yan or hindi pa. Lol

A sample of 5,502 biologists from 1,058 academic institutions assessed statements representing the biological view ‘a human’s life begins at fertilization’. This view was used because previous polls and surveys suggest many Americans and medical experts hold this view. Each of the three statements representing that view was affirmed by a consensus of biologists (75-91%). The participants were separated into 60 groups and each statement was affirmed by a consensus of each group, including biologists that identified as very pro-choice (69-90%), very pro-life (92-97%), very liberal (70-91%), very conservative (94-96%), strong Democrats (74-91%), and strong Republicans (89-94%). Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502). [Jacobs, Steven and Jacobs, Steven, Biologists' Consensus on 'When Life Begins' (July 25, 2018).]

No uterus, no opinion

JOYCE AND TEAM THE BEST.

In my opinion, isipin din natin kung anong pwedeng mangyari doon sa dadala. Dahil ako isang lalaki na madali para saakin sabihin na "Don't legalized abortion kase immoral yan" pero alam ko ba mapag dadaanan nung mag dadala? Alam ko ba ang mga pwedeng mangyari sa katawan ng babae? Anong body ache ang pwede nya maranasan? Hindi iniisip ko lang yung buhay nung bata. At yung sinasabi nila na hindi ma susulusyunan ang memory trauma ng abort. Hindi man mabubura pero mas mababawasan yung sakit na nadarama nya. Kaya nga may choice bigyan natin sila ng madaming choice. Hindi yung sila na yung biktima sila pa yung maiipit.

Joyce ate and left no crumbs.

26:02 Using viability as the determiner of human life is dangerous. She stated that a fetus is viable at 28 weeks, but there are also articles and peer-reviewed studies stating that the fetus is viable at 20 weeks. Yung iba, 24 weeks. Yung iba, 23 weeks. So alin ang susundin natin? Take note that we are talking about the moment when a human life begins and should be legally protected. The deciding factor of when we should have the right to life SHOULD NOT BE RANDOM AND ARBITRARY. It should be clear, strict, and precise. Also, viability changes with technology. 200 years ago, the viability of a human fetus was literally at the late term of the pregnancy. If human life is truly determined by viability, then does that mean that a child born in the modern era is more "human" than the child born in the past?

the guy with blank space is giving me nothing 🥳

@ashieramarinda9277

Жыл бұрын

right? his arguments just don't make sense 😭

26:26 "Yung mga scientists kasi, pinagdedebatihan din nila, when does life begin?" I don't know when the actual debate was held, but there is actually already a consensus on when human life begins. The study was released in 2018 by Steven Jacobs from the University of Chicago. "Academic biologists were recruited to participate in a study on their descriptive view of when life begins. A sample of 5,502 biologists from 1,058 academic institutions assessed statements representing the biological view ‘a human’s life begins at fertilization’." Overall, a whopping 95% of them agreed that human life begins at conception.

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

True. Ayaw lang nila tanggapin

@annie_0229

Жыл бұрын

You have a point but in my opinion i think having an unwanted child or being pregnant is really hard especially if you are a minor and you need to have good financial support when having a child, it's not just about the life of the child it's also about the life of those female who're the rape victims plus you can't be sure that other people or you can give that child the support that they needed (my english is not really good so I can't explain some parts i am sorry)

JOYCE SLAYED

JOYCE U SLAYED . ANG GALING.

inis do'n sa harrison, tali-talinuhan, paulit-ulit arguments. joyce really did the best here, malumanay magsalita at may point ang sinasabi, 'yung kabilang side puro sigaw, bali-baliko 'yung arguments, jusko. puro 'even though', 'abortion does not erase blah blah blah' HINDI DESEEVING. mas katanggap-tanggap pa kung 'yung angelo ang naging best speaker (but it should really be joyce)

Joyce should've won the best speaker

They can easily rebut the arguments of the middle speaker in the opposition side

JOYCE is the best speaker!!!

slay joyce best girl

It’s Joyce for me, her stand is informative and on point sya sa topic nya Kudusssss talagaaaaaa

nandine ako sa yt, bitin lang kapag sa tiktok ako nanonold HAHAHAHAHAHA

@jadematias6379

Жыл бұрын

same HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

@santinobalte9890

Жыл бұрын

SAMEE HAHAHAA putol putol ba Naman sa tiktok

@jamleemarqueda4429

Жыл бұрын

Same hhahaha

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Patapusin muna dapat sa pagsasalita yung isa bago magsalita yung another debater. Magulo pakinggan pag sabay sabay sila nagsasalita.

Ang hirap naman humanap ng comments na d sang ayon sa abortion😭😭 bat kase yun pa nabunot ko 😭 nakuha sana em ng ideas 😭

@joyceannm09

Жыл бұрын

kaya nga e no choice tayo kundi mag research at interview talaga😭 (ganyan din theme ng debate namin)

@maellysabelleinfiel2058

Жыл бұрын

@@joyceannm09 trueee nakakadrain ng utak, buti nalang nacompliment naman kami ng teacher kahit papaano 😭

@Anonymous-xu7un

Жыл бұрын

So how was it? Debate namin ngayong week and the topic is abortion same situation lang kasi tayo kaya natanong ko. I can't properly defend our side because at the very first place hindi talaga ako sang ayon sa abortion😭

@fearless-one

6 ай бұрын

Joyce is🔥

Joyce best debater.

Joyceeeee the best speaker!!!

17:06 lmfao how? Infact, there are women who can't take giving birth really well and might cause more harm than good to their bodies especially if you are a minor. Not allowing abortion for rape victims will not only cause them more trauma but also, the future they built for themselves will be in jeopardy because of some horny dude. Like imagine being constantly reminded by your trauma through your unwanted child for the rest of your life. Why should the victim bare the responsibility when she didn't ask for it in the first place?

13:11 ako po ay nalilito sa statement niya na "kung nakagawa ng isang maling gawain bakit pa ito dadagdagan" this refers to the victim, first of all walang kasalanan ang isang biktima na mahalay. Yung rapist ipapa abort niya yung nabiktima niya na nabuntis dahil sa maling ginawa niya? Yun ba yun?

the legalization of abortion does not equate to it being an advocacy. it is simply allowing them by law and giving them the chance to do what they should be done giving the situation.

Joyce is superb🔥

I don't even understand how that audience said na cons sya. Kaya nga may exemption eh, we're talking about rape victims hindi lang mga babae na najontis ng jowa na hindi sinsadya. Pano kung 15 yrs old ung rape victim? paano ibibigay nung bata ang needs ng isa pang bata kung bata pa lamang sya?? hindi ba dapat may karapatan sila na pumili kung ano ung sa tingin nilang makakabuti sa kanila?

nakakamiss yung high school vibes

Joyceee 💗💗

26:54 - The best part. You're welcome.👍

@elizabethsalarde2194

3 жыл бұрын

About 1.8 million children in the Philippines are “abandoned or neglected,” according to the United Nations’ Children’s Rights & Emergency Relief Organization. It’s probably also common sense that the facilities for fostering children are ill-maintained and poorly staffed, the government just doesn’t put enough funds into these concerns. It’s also very rare for Filipino families or couples to resort to adoption.

@AvtDropper

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethsalarde2194 The possibility or probability of living a life in poverty as a result of a pregnancy is not reason enough for us to legalise it. Because at that point we would be doing it for convenience and not any other reason. Plus, in the same argument used, we would be able to legally terminate the life of every people below the poverty line to remove them from living an impoverished lifestyle. A life is still a life even if you are rich or poor. The value of life doesn’t rely to monetary value.

@blanche8696

2 жыл бұрын

@@AvtDropper Hear Hear

bat yung bungal ang best speaker, wala naman sence ung mga pinagsasasabi nya, mas may sense yung sinasabi ni joyce, hayst unfair

@xiaoie4696

Жыл бұрын

hoy grabe ka naman po sa bungal huhu😭😭😭

I really support legalizing abortion. Para safe yung procedure sa mga buntis. Yung ibang mga babaeng nabuntis ay bunga ng rape o incest. Dapat may option sila to abort the fetus. Papanig ako sa mga biktima ng rape o incest, than the rapist’s or suspect’s child.

huhuhu ang hirap agree ako sa abortion kaso disagree napunta samin😭

@samanthabaay9691

Жыл бұрын

same, putnging buhay toh

@Anonymous-xu7un

Жыл бұрын

we're opposite in the sides we want to defend but same in the situation because i disagree sa abortion pero ang napunta sa amin agree teacher kasi pumili😭

@Taltal-ej6ri

8 ай бұрын

Pota same

@ellievator5765

7 ай бұрын

@@samanthabaay9691 iabort mo na rin buhay mo

JOYCE FTW 🥰

Goshhhhh Con ang napunta samin but before that hindi ko rin alam if san ako papanig cause both sides has its point so dko talaga alam ang gagawin I don't even know how to contradict the pros statements which I am predicting Rn "What Can you Say about the One who's been raped and get pregnant and eventually leads to abortion"Gosh it's hard right? I don't know what to do...Any Advice??? Omyyyy help HSHSHSH.

I LOVE JOYCE !!

sky's face and hang after he saw the name of the best speaker.

Sa part na Mabubuhay ka ba ng ikaw lang? is already a checkmate

Did they lose? Someone said that the girls lost i can't believe it lol

I strongly agree that Abortion should be legalized in the Philippines.It is not only for the mother but also for the child.To fully eradicate its risk of being hurt physically and mentally as he/she grows in the future.Especially that the baby or fetus is created unwanted and by force(rape).The child doesn't deserve the treatment that will be given unto him/her (of course if the treatment is abusive, discrimination, and etc that will harm the kid both physically and mentally). #LegalizeAbortionforRape victims or threatened womens!!

grabe galing ni joyce

bat si harrison? eh halos paulit ulit mga sinasabi nya

My body my choice

ang galing magsalita ni chantal, pointless nga lang sinasabe

PABOR TEAM SLAYED ! THEY ARE VERY CALM WHEN ANSWERING.

Joyce 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

25:50 human rights, bakit yung rights nung rape victim di nyo maisip lol

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

Beh kasama yung Mother siya sa Human Right. Kailangan ng mother at ng baby na rin ng suporta from our government. Alam ko na pulpol ang gobyerno natin kaya nga tayo ay naglalaban para sa kapanakan ng lahat.

@snowlise3127

Жыл бұрын

​@@bogartmotomoto8222 Hell no it isn't, she doesn't have any right. That's what they're saying. Ya'll wanna control women so bad.

@cslaaa

11 ай бұрын

​@@bogartmotomoto8222galing mo, wala kang point AHAHAHA

Actually, illegal man ang abortion, marami pa rin ang gumagawa nito subali't natatago lang dahil sa pagbabawal. Kasabay rin ang mapanganib at nakamamatay na operasyon dahil nga sa walang karapatan ang professionals na magsagawa nito. Kaya't dapat itong ma-legalize nang [mas] maging ligtas. Kasama ang RH Bill para magkaroon ng sapat na resources, education at bukas na isipan ng bawat indibidwal. Lumalabas na kahit bawal ito, may mga pumipili pa rin mag-undergo. So, nasaan ang sense of illegality. In conclusion, it's a choice. Ang pagsasalegal ng abortion ay susi sa kulungan kung saan tanging illegal lang ang mapagpipilian.

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

I could make the same argument for illicit drugs. A lot of people are selling and consuming it, despite being illegal. Lumalabas na kahit bawal ito, may mga taong pumipili paring magbenta, bumili, at gumamit nitong mga ilegal na droga. So, in your own words, "nasaan ang sense of illegality?" So, kapag madami ang gumagawa kahit illegal, sapat na dahilan na yun para i-legalize na? 'Yan ang sentro ng argumento mo.

@dyeybiii230

Жыл бұрын

@@ellajane4808 Tama po kayo, pagiging rational ang sentro ng nasabi kong argumento. Kailangan nating tingnan o pakinggan ang magkabilang panig lalo na sa mga ganitong sensitibong paksa. Sa iyong counterargument, halimbawa: ilegal ang droga sa ilang developed countries - tinatrato nila ang drug addicts bilang pasyente at hindi bilang kriminal. Salungat sa Pilipinas na ang naging sagot ay "war on drugs." Kasama ang "nasaan ang sense of illegality" dahil sa hindi nga malutas o matapos-tapos, tulungan natin silang iwasan at talikuran ang nasasabing "ilegal." Isapaw natin ang "nasaan ba ang justifiable long-term solution ng gobyerno para dito." Kapag marami ang gumagawa ng ilegal, himas-rehas lang ba ang tanging kasagutan.

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

@@dyeybiii230 My point wasn't about aiding the drug problem in the Philippines nor was it about helping drug addicts recover. I was merely identifying a parallel to test your argument's consistency. You justified the legalization of abortion because people are still acquiring it regardless if it's unlawful. So, "nasan ang sense of illegality?" Drugs are also illegal, yet people are still obtaining it. Nasan rin ang sense of illegality? Should we also decriminalize illicit drugs then, since people are still acquiring it regardless of its illegality? Again, I am NOT talking about the right repercussions for drugs, kung tutulungan ba natin sila o ikukulong.

@dyeybiii230

Жыл бұрын

@@ellajane4808 "Should we also decriminalize illicit drugs then, since people are still acquiring it regardless of its illegality?" Hindi ko nabanggit na porke patuloy na nasasagawa ang bawal ay dapat na itong i-legalize. Kung babalik kayo sa naunang reply ko, makikita ninyong may rationality na nangangahulugang makatwiran at pinag-isipan. Halimbawa: sabi ng karamihan, sang-ayon sila sa death penalty para sa heinous crimes. Nguni't hindi ito justifiable dahil sa baluktot na justice system sa bansa. Ang magic idiom ay "it depends." Tokhang, same-sex union, euthanasia man, atbp. Maaari pa ring iba't iba ang katayuan dito. Sa madaling salita, nakadepende ang kasagutan ng bawat paksa base sa bigat ng magkabilang pangangatwiran. Kaya't maging rational.

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

@@dyeybiii230 "Hindi ko nabanggit na porke patuloy nasasagawa ang bawal ay dapat na itong i-legalize." Yes. You did, actually. "Illegal man ang abortion, marami pa rin ang gumagawa nito subali't nagtatago lang dahil sa pagbabawal" "Lumalabas na kahit bawal ito, may mga pumupili paring mag-undergo. So, nasaan ang sense of illegality." Hindi mo sinabi ng direkta, ngunit 'yan parin ang implikasyon ng argumento mo kahit pa't hindi mo intensyon. I merely identified a parallel using drugs as an example. Sa abortion, may pinapatay. Sa drugs, may nasisiraan ng buhay. Parehas na illegal, ngunit parehas paring may gumagawa. Sa mga salitang iyong ginamit, "Lumalabas na kahit bawal ito, may mga pumupili paring mag-undergo. So, nasaan ang sense of illegality." So, kapag may gumagawa, kailangan nang i-legalize? Asking where the sense of illegality is as a rhetorical question is no different from saying, 'what's the point of making it illegal?' And now, you shifted your platform. Ngayon, sinasabi mo na nakadepende sa bigat ng krimen. Drugs and abortion both have the capacity to kill human beings. Except that the latter is more sure.

JOYCEEE

Grabi kana joyce

Please forgive me I do not speak this language, but if it is always wrong to kill a baby then it should not matter if a woman was raped. The baby is innocent and does not deserve to be killed for the actions of another human. Since I do not consider the fetus or egg to be a human I do not have to deal with this dilemma/difficult choice. The fetus does not have a right to use a woman's body without her consent whether she was raped or not. Therefor a woman should have the right to abort as long as the fetus is dependent on the woman's body for survival.

bruh best speaker? putak ng putak lang naman bibig nya "how can you sure" fr?? nakakatawa,, I like how the girls on the left speak, it just made more sense compared to the other team.. Just amaze how they can remain calm while stating their claims and supporting it, while the other side is more on repeating what they/he keep on saying and just how he keeps on shouting it made him look such an L.

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

TAMA SA FIRST QUESTION WHEN HE KEPT CUTTING JOYCE OFF, HALATANG HALATA NA MAHINA ANG COMPREHENSION, DI MAKAINTINDI KAYA PAULIT ULIT MY GOD

So this is based on my own opinion, gaya ng sabi ng cons “Kung malelegalized ung pag papaabort para sa mga rape victims mag kakaroon ng process of standards na mas accurate, mas safe and mas correct. in that way hindi man COMPLETELY ma eliminate ung risk ng abortion pero ma MIMINIMIZED.” Kahit pa sabihin na mamiminimized o mababawasan ung risk, meron paring panganib sa process na 'yon hindi naman sinabi na wala. But there are solutions na hindi na kailangan pang mag take ng risk na isasapanganib nung biktima, we must give them practical choices. Kung ayaw nya sa baby and hindi nya talaga kaya ilaan ung kailangan nung bata kasi hindi pa sya ready, merong way na pag aampon habang hindi pa naipapanganak. if ever mag decide nmn syang ikeep ung bata may mga willing tumulong sa kanya. let us not forget that there are agencies and professionals na tumutumulong and sumusuporta sa pagbubuntis nung isa, especially kapag victim ng rape. nd lng sa pag tulong through financial needs but to also help her cope up from her trauma. The reality here is kahit pa ipalaglag ung batang inosente bunga ng pagiging selfish ng isang lalaki, hindi mawawala ung trauma nung biktima. That doesn't change things. Imagine, ung biktima ng rape nalapastangan na ung human rights nya tapos bibigyan pa sya ng choice na ipalaglag ung dala dala nyang bata? edi it end up na you'll encourage the victim to the same thing sa ibang tao, worst sa kadugo nya? ung merong parte ng dna nya? edi tinangalan nya na din ng human rights ung bata. We are already living in the 21st century and we can't deny the fact na mulat na ung mga mata ng tao sa gantong bagay lalo na dito sa Pilipinas. Sinasabi nila na ung bata mabubuhay sya na pinagtatawanan? dadala ung hate dahil victim ng rape ung nanay nya? hindi e, cguro dati, oo. pero sa generation natin ngayon, no. kaya nga may mga studies and pag eeducate sa mga tao paano dapat itrato ung mga biktima ng isang krimen and nasa proseso pa ng pag rerecover sa trauma. The point is abortion is not the only solution here, and dapat natin iremind yun sa mga rape victims. Na hindi iisang choice lng yun meron sila. There are solutions na hindi na kailangan pang dumaan sa posibleng makapag dadagdag pa ng panganib sa buhay nila.

@snowlise3127

Жыл бұрын

Having the seed of your tormentor dead like him will set you free, not completely but it will somehow release some of the trauma you felt. There is no reminder of the event. Also, adoption? Minors who get pregnant are at risk of dying too before they even get the baby out, they're already dead, as well as the baby. Adoption centers aren't safe as well, no place in this world is. Churches are literally accused of sexual abuse and ya'll won't believe that because they're so holy. There's also no guarantee that the child will be adopted by anyone.

@tricialyn5775

10 ай бұрын

Great points! And I absolutely agree na there are other options. And I also wanna highlight yung argument na "hindi mawawala yung trauma nung biktima, doesnt change things" speaking on their behalf it DOES, having to experience being rape is saddening and devastating. More so, having to forcefully carry the fruit of a heinous crime for 9 months, just imagine the trauma it caused to them. Its giving more burden to the victims being constantly reminded of the crime through the child. When throwing the argument "hindi solusyon ang abortion, kahit dulot ng rape" , its belittling the experiences of the victims. Its not acknowledging the traumatic experience that they endured. I believe we should be more compassionate, empathetic, and understanding of the circumstances of these victims. If its their will to whether carry or abort the child, no one should dictate what should they do about their body other than themselves. Not the government, not their family, no one else. Because after all they are the one carrying the burden of the crime. And we're advocating for the general welfare of the victim, not just physically but also mentally and psychologically. If we're wanting the general welfare of women then we would also acknowledge their experiences, choices, and will.

Sakit sa bangs ni accla

Pro choice

ito yung debate namin forda tomorrow kaso english jusko any tips pabor din kasi samin :)

@josselclnrbls

4 ай бұрын

AYEE SAME SAMEEE

lagay ko dto kasi need ko gumawa overview sa abortion 12:30

i literally find it ironic how the opposing team (disagree team) is 2/3 men 💀 kapag walang matres, wag ka nalang magsalita. oppressors are always the brave one talaga, kahihiyan 🤣🤣🤣

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

School debate yan. Wag personalin, sa school debate kasi minsan on the spot uung tppic tapos may isang opposition at may isang pro. Kahit labag sa kalooban mo ang topic, ipaglalaban mo parin. Kaya di dapat pinepersonal yung mga sinasabi ng mga student sa school debate kasi kadalasan hindi naman mag rereflect sa kanila mga sinasabi nila

Joyce vs 3 Joyce won for me Harrison often use redundant arguments

Hindi sa pagiging bias dahil honestly no to abortion ako before and now ay naguguluhan pa kaya ako nanonod ng mga ganita para mabigyang linaw pero nabobohan na naiinis ako kay harrison nung sumabat siya parang tanga hindi ba siya kailanman nagtake risk? Every decision na ginawa niya,nag ririsk siya dun dahil wala syang kasiguraduhan na maganda ang kalalabasan nung desisyong yun. Ang pinopoint out ni joyce na pag na legalized ung abortion ay mamiminimize means mababawasan ung danger sa pag aabort dahil may tamang aid na pero itong si harrison parang loka2x porque ba may risk ay laging negative ung magiging bunga?lagi bang "Mas" pa yung kalalabasan? It's either postive or negative be pero dahil nga pag nalegalized ung abortion mas mababawasan ung negative side. "Bakit pa na i lelegalized ung mga bagay kung alam mong may risk pa?" "Bakit mo pa gagawing legal un eh risk nga?" Te bobo ka ba? Pag pumasok ka sa isang relasyon bhe risk din un dahil d mo sure kung maayos ba ung pagsasamahan nio sa future or not,kung sasaktan ka ba niya,magchechet ba siya or not. So base sa sinabi mo harri bale dapat din gawing illegal ung pagkakasal?kasi risk din un diba?dapat bang gawing illegal ung mga bagay na mag tetake ka ng risk?eh there's always risk in everything nga dba?🙄

40:23 How did you know na yung baby ay ginusto nya mabuhay sa ganong sitwasyon? Hindi naman sila nabigyan ng pagkakataon na mag desisyon at no choice sila sa aksyon na nangyari para mabuhay sila. If given a chance ikaw ba gugustuhin mo mabuhay sa ganoong paraan at sitwasyon?

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

That question goes both ways. How will you know that a human being concieved from rape automatically wants to die just because of their situation? There are a lot of people who were concieved from rape that are thriving in life right now despite knowing how they were created. One-sided yang argument mo. I hope you guys are aware that using the very existence of people who were concieved from rape to defend abortion is no different from saying that they are better-off dead. Hindi niyo sinasabi ng direkta, but ultimately, that is what your argument implies.

@olivertorres5458

Жыл бұрын

@@ellajane4808 well that's a fallacy. What I'm pointing out is sabi ng speaker is kung magsasalita yung baby for sure sa-side sya sa thinking nila. I just answered "paano mo nasabi at nalaman na for sure ganun talaga ang iisipin nila?" Point is you can't argue that you for sure know what the baby will feel because you are not on that situation. Kahit nga gender ngayon diba bawal na diktahan ang baby kasi daw dapat sila ang mag decide hindi porket may male or female organ ay dapat ganun na sila hence that argument is also invalid. Gender lang yun tapos yung mas malaking issue pangungunahan mo sila? You don't know that until sila mismo magka isip at sila mag salita for themselves. That's a hasty generalization. Also miss, im not defending abortion because of the "very existence of people who were concieved from rape". If you can find my other arguments here in the comment section, Im all for the women's right to decide for herself because that's her life. I'm not even forcing them to do abortion becuase I say give them the freedom to choose. You have no right to dictate how she will live her life. Kahit sino kapa, buhay nila yan. Kasi nanagyayari sasabhin nalang sayo ng rapist "Oh rape kita tapos pag nabuntis ka wala kang karapatan na tanggihan yan, ako na nag decide na dapat mag ka baby ka ngayon na. Itigil mo muna kung anong plano mo sa buhay. Wala akong pake kung ilang taon ka or gaano ka kabata or kung delekado man na mag buntis ka or kung handa ka na ba, basta responsibilidad mo na yan ngayon." Does that sound fair to you? but that's just my 2 cents. I'm not even a girl so maybe mas may authority kayo in terms of this issue and I respect that.abrotion

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

@@olivertorres5458 Since you elaborated, I think I got your point. I don't think my argument was a fallacy since parehas lang naman pala tayo ng punto. The argument that the unborn offspring that was concieved from rape may not strive in life goes both ways. 50/50 siya. Pano mo malalaman _for sure_ na maghihirap or giginhawa ang buhay nung bata? You can't, and I agree with you on that. It's just that the usual argument of pro-abortion people is that the child is better-off aborted than to be born poor, disabled, or be born in any less than perfect circumstances. That is blatant discrimination based on eugenics and socioeconomic status. And of course, for the sake of fairness, anti-aborts also shouldn't assume what's in store for the unborn offspring. That is, as you have said, hasty generalization. "Freedom to choose" is too vague for a discussion. We must ask, freedom to choose what? To murder their own offspring? It is reasonable for a civilized state to restrict an individual's freedom to choose whenever that choice kills another human being. You can't simply use the argument na "I'm all for the women's right to decide for herself, because that's her life," especially since we all know that it's not just _her_ life. There's literally another human being involved, and that human being is the reason why there's an anti-abortion movement in the first place. You have no right to play some kind of god and dictate which innocent human being gets to live or not. When you're raped, whether you get pregnant or not, that's already unfair on the victim first and foremost. Dun palang, unfair na yun para sa kaniya. And if she _does_ get pregnant, of course that's hard. The rapist should get the maximum legal punishment there is and the victim should get the medical treatment that she needs. But I also don't think it's fair for another human being to bear the death penalty for the crimes of its father. Further, abortion is also reportedly oftentimes used to hide the crime of the rapist, but no one seems to be talking about that. And I don't think mas may authority ako sa topic na 'to just because I'm a girl. So long as you have knowledge on the topic and enough courage to face constructive criticisms, you should be able to say your opinions freely, especially on universal and sensitive topics like this, regardless of your sex.

@olivertorres5458

Жыл бұрын

@@ellajane4808 Exactly, we don't know what's gonna happen so the speaker's claim that the unborn child is surely gonna side with their opinion is a total BS right? Freedom to murder? Well that's highly debatable kung kelan mo icoconsider na abortion. What if the victim took PLAN B right after or in the morning? You good on that or nah? Technically that's not abortion (not sure how other's feel about that) but that's a solution I can agree with. Just to avoid the whole abortion debate. You can still achieve the same result. Or how about those very young victims na nabuntis? Yung nalagay yung buhay nila sa delikado dahil sa pag bubuntis at need ma abort. Docotr na mismo nagsabi na hindi kaya ng katawan. Prone sa pre eclampsia etc etc. Should we all say na do it regardless kung mamatay ka man or hindi. Sacrifice yourself . Also aside from the victim's own life that was altered, Her whole family will also deal with it lalo kung hindi handa or sobrang bata pa nung victim. Everybody is affected so YES it's not just HER LIFE. We may not surely tell if yung baby pag lumaki ay ok or hindi pero one thing is certain. Everyone who got pregnant that is not ready emotionally, physically, financially and mentally will SURELY have a hard time. Kung yung hindi nga na rape nahirapan yung na rape pa. With all the stress, post partum depression, financial responsibilities for LIFE and all the things that na kasa, would you crucify the victim kung in the first place ayaw pa nya or wala sya balak mag ka baby. And still, I will stand by my statement. It's not the victim's choice at hindi din lalo choice ng baby. Choice yan ng rapist at sya lang ang nag decide sa ganong scenario.May baby ba na pipiliin mo na ma rape yung nanay mo para lang mapanganak ka sa mundo if you got a choice? I don't think so. So we all have to adjust para sa rapist every single time dahil nag decide na sila para sa atin eh. Lets all accept that. How about the Rapist who also decided to "play some kind of God" and dictates the he will alter not only this victim's life but also her family and the baby's life forever. He alone decided to na bumuhay ng tao in the expense of other people. "Further, abortion is also reportedly oftentimes used to hide the crime of the rapist, but no one seems to be talking about that." This is the first time i heard about this so I'm not sure how rampant this is. Because while its plausible it's a bit unlikely to happen often IMO. I'm not sure why the victim will agree to get an abortion para isave or matago yung crime na ginawa ng suspect. And lastly yes authority. as much as we want to have an ABSOLUTE EQUALITY in this world. That's not gonna happen and it's OK. We guys are the authority in Basketball while girls are in Make up. Not every time but basically that's just how the world works. I can't bear a child or have an abortion as a male. I don't know sh*t about pregnancy. I can't force my opinion on girls lalo kung sila pala mismo na makaka experience ayaw ng abortion pag na rape.

@ellajane4808

Жыл бұрын

@@olivertorres5458 Yes to your first point. Pro-aborts shouldn't use the children in orphanages, foster care system, or even the people who were concieved in rape as arguments to support abortion. To be fair, anti-aborts also shouldn't assume, albeit positively, about the future circumstances of the child. Both statements are cases of hasty generalization. Yes. Freedom to murder. Murder is defined as, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." (Oxford dictionary). a.) It can be proven by human embryology and developmental biology textbooks that we are human beings from the moment of conception. b.) Abortion is currently illegal in the Philippines, thus, it is unlawful. So, yes, abortion is murder. It is the unlawful and premeditated killing of another human being. I don't have any qualms with Plan B, especially if the victim took it immediately after the crime has occurred. You don't get pregnant instantly. It usually takes about 2-3 weeks for a woman to get pregnant right after sexual intercourse. And yes, Plan B isn't an abortion in itself anyway. Pre-eclampsia usually happens after 20 weeks of the pregnancy, but most occur in the later stage, during which, you are subjected to early delivery (34-37 weeks), not necessarily abortion. In fact, most pre-eclampsia cases end up with 2 _living_ patients. I'm not denying the fact that pregnancy, especially for young teenagers, is lethal. So, if medical treatment, in which the unborn offspring may not survive the procedure, is necessary to save the life of the mother, then so be it. It's better to lose one patient than lose both. The ethical principle of double effect, which the Philippine law actually recognizes, makes this medical management acceptable.

Kairita bakit yung Harizon 😑😑

How come si Harrison ung best speaker?? dahil sa audience impact?? kadiri naman kung ganon. Di nga maalam makipag argumentative debate kasi masyado nyang pinipersonal ung pagbibigay nya ng argument na hindi naman dapat, lol.

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

Right, the part when he disgustingly kept interrupting joyce on the first question without making even any sense. Girl can't even comprehend 😜

@cinnabonzz1014

11 ай бұрын

RIGHTT nakakainis din kasi disturb sila ng disturb hindi na nila pinatapos yung sasabihin ng other team

Joyce is dabest I think Hindi Yung harizon tsk!

Ang gwapo ni Sky!

dinadaan lang sila ni Joyce sa kuyakoy ahwhwhahah

Bakit Yung harizon 😑😑

Joyce sana masarap ulam mo lagi

na noticed ko lng ha palaging or most of the time na cucut off si Joyce.

I am not a woman nor a rape victim, but I meet a lot of rape victims, one of them was my classmate raped by her first cousin, but she lived in a normal life though the pain of her past is still in her heart. My schoolmate was victim of rape by a teacher, but it didn't lead to abort her baby, a baby who's fruit by rape, and a lot more. So far, I don't know mother yet in my personal experience who killed their children through rape. We have lots of experts who can provide guidance and assistance for rape victims.

@bogartmotomoto8222

Жыл бұрын

This is sad for them. I think pro abortion advocates tend to intimidate the people. Rape is traumatic for anyone else and no one deserve to experience that. However, some pro choicer tend to exaggerate when it comes to rape victims just to justify abortion Here is my opinion. The rapist must punish to the fullest of the law. The rape victims need justice. full justice and deserve a free healthcare including counseling from professional psychiatrist. However, abortion doesn’t unrape a woman 😞. It could only add trauma physically and emotionally. The major trauma came from the rape. The major violence is rape, second violence would be abortion . I read some articles and watch some interviews from rape victims that abortion didn’t help them. it only add trauma to them. I think what we really need is to improve healthcare system. also to improve the adoption institution. The government has to provide a free healthcare and childcare for the rape victim and the child. The rape victim shouldn’t be the mother for her own child and its up to her if she will keep it or send it to adoption.

@snowlise3127

Жыл бұрын

Not every woman can handle the trauma, and some cannot even be saved by words of affirmations coming from therapy.

I am anti abortion, however I have to admit the Joyce is the better speaker, haha

Buti nagagawa ni Joyce na manahimik, kung ako nagsasalita tapos may sumasabat yung anger issues ko aangat GHAHAHAHAHA

@thm.carlisle

Жыл бұрын

Reaaaaal, tapos ang rebat ang clear na walang comprehension, paikot ikot si kuya 😭

ka intense ba ani uy HAHAAHAHAH

@tomioka_giyu--bz7nh

3 ай бұрын

Fr

Gigil ako ni kuyang bungi 👹👹