Zangief is the epitome of "resident grappler that we have no clue how to balance so we gotta make him bad just to be safe"

@kingbulbasaur9460

3 ай бұрын

Grapplers like Gief are low tier by nature because of their high risk archetype. They are inconsistent to get good results with, so they always gravitate towards the bottom. You clearly don't understand how balance works

@marcuss4697

3 ай бұрын

​@@kingbulbasaur9460 love the finger pointing at the end. Nah, your analysis applies to something like Potemkin. Gief is bad because of a painfully slow gameplan and bad neutral in a fast game. OP is right, he could be given more tools to both be made more fun and more viable. But Capcom is scared of buffing him after SF4 I suppose

@Waiives

3 ай бұрын

that final sentence was so unnecessary lol​@@kingbulbasaur9460

@PuraCaseus

3 ай бұрын

Indeed, even in Street fighter 5 they nerfed him while he was at the bottom, just because he had a good crouching jab xdd

@Rincewindus

3 ай бұрын

Well yeah, SF, being the first fighting game to hit it big, has a bunch of characters that are Archetypes in of themselves.

The problem with Gief isn't JUST that he's a volatile character with bad moves and limited options, but he's fun enough that you can see past that and become a loyal fan yourself

@jondiaz3329

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, I will never stop playing him. It's too damn fun when things go right.

@MrShinTensei

3 ай бұрын

Yup exactly. The feel when you are fully in your opponents head is unmatched

@k00LTV

3 ай бұрын

This, say what you want about Gief being bad, he might be, but no one ever says he is not a fun char to play, he is a TON of fun to play in SF6 when things go your way.

Every time I jump over lariat I feel like I have to apologize.

@yuichikita6018

3 ай бұрын

It's like throwing paper to scissor, and winning somehow.

@JuicyLeek

Ай бұрын

@@yuichikita6018 Like throwing paper to a scissor made of paper

SF6 has like 10 bottom 1 characters according to people who main them

@21Handguns

3 ай бұрын

Not true. My character is bottom 1. Everyone else's is top tier smh my head

@bub6215

3 ай бұрын

Mate, Honda's neutral is so bad i have to headbut to win. Do you know how many concussions I've suffered? Cuz i don't remember... How'd i get here?

@enrique7934

3 ай бұрын

IKR rooflemonger said manon

@toosquare

3 ай бұрын

Idk if rooflemonger is the one to listen to about it anyway lol

@sm7085

3 ай бұрын

@@bub6215 If head hurt use butt - HondaMentals 101

That line about wake up level 3 is so true. That is true grappler brain. You know your in the opponents head when they jump all over the place fearing it and when they let their guard down level 3. My loyal fans.

The gief experience is climbing the ranked ladder. But the twist is the ladder is covered in oil called "one and done"

@notmyfullname598

3 ай бұрын

Mama Lizz's one and done oil

@sergiodominguez6864

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@slartymcguarty2954

3 ай бұрын

poetry

@Achallon

3 ай бұрын

At least be thankful it’s not Tekken levels of one and done

@heyitsmort7744

3 ай бұрын

@@notmyfullname598MMMmmmmMMMMMMM DIPPED IN

He’s a really fun iteration of Gief, even if games can be an uphill battle sometimes.

@truebluebooboo

3 ай бұрын

Grief is phenomenal in this game, as far as how fun he is, how satisfying he is.

@Jardonius

3 ай бұрын

I think the uphill adds to the fun factor (most of the time) so im cool with that. I always have Ken to fall back on if they bruise my ego too much

@TheCJRhodes

3 ай бұрын

yeah they hit him out of the park in so many ways, that the frustration often melts away when you are able to land certain things somehow.

@limpst3ak

3 ай бұрын

He's similar to SFV but less fun I think

@Brotlov

3 ай бұрын

@@TheCJRhodes If you're able to pick up on your opponent's defensive habits, he's the most fun character in the game.

I work an 8-5, i come home pop in sf6 for an hour or two grappling fools and call it a day lol im not too bothered about my placement in rank, i just love my big russian bear. gief gang :3

@TheCJRhodes

3 ай бұрын

i think that's the majority of the playerbase's relationship with the game regardless of who they play... we all just don't go on twitter/reddit/YT to talk about it though :P

@rundown132

3 ай бұрын

champion mentality

@k00LTV

3 ай бұрын

While the FGC cries about balance this, nerf that, buff this - the real ones just turn on their consoles to have their 2 hours of deserved fun after their 9-5 and call it day, and that's what fun in video-games should be like.

@DrSwazz

3 ай бұрын

@@k00LTV Damn straight. For me it's 2 hrs with the loyal fans or the thighs

@budgetcommander4849

3 ай бұрын

@@k00LTVLet people enjoy games how they want. Playing fighting games like that isn't fulfilling for me.

If Gief was an NRS character, He would have broken beer bottles as a projectile. He could have multiples of them on screen at the same time, and they'd be plus on block while the shards do extra chip damage.

@TheCJRhodes

3 ай бұрын

and/or they'd give him some sort of lasting shield/armor thingy, that makes him able to walk menacingly towards his opponents.

@sammythijs8641

3 ай бұрын

My knee jerk reaction reading this was “ that’s BS, NRS is notorious for not having proper grappl… haaang on a second!! “ 💀

@power50001562

3 ай бұрын

​@@sammythijs8641Reiko standing in the corner with arguably the best projectile in the game

Broski hold the world record for most tundra storms ever landed

@VilArknights

3 ай бұрын

Nah, that’s demondan.

@DrSwazz

3 ай бұрын

@@VilArknights I need to see a collab between those two.

3:26 Broski: "Throw a fireball", Chun li "Aight say no more fam"

James Chen gave the Gief experience a try some time ago and he called it "an exercise in frustration".

Zangief: Do it! **pose** Juri: Okay! **horisontal kick**

@shinluis

3 ай бұрын

Whats up with this horizontal kick thing? I dont think thats a thing?!!

@zhaf

3 ай бұрын

@@shinluis Giefs counter move only works on horizontal kicks. I know it usually isn't a Street Fighter thing and everyone thought it as a joke when they introduced it in SFV but it wasn't and it is still there in SF6. Usually a totally useless move.

@cerdi_99

3 ай бұрын

@@zhaf i becomes somewhat useful against juri and cammy. And even that, it's SO BAD

@joaquinbitancor1269

3 ай бұрын

@@zhaf do you know wich kicks doesn't counter? This is the first time i hear about this

@FRAUD--

3 ай бұрын

@@joaquinbitancor1269 You see how Gief raises his arms when he's in the counter state? Any kick that doesn't go between his hands doesn't activate it, so just about every low beats it, and any super beats it regardless of where it hits. Also, since the counter state's followup is considered a grounded throw it loses to any form of throw invuln, including being airborne. I should also mention it was even worse in SFV where it was WAY less active and only worked on a nonsensical list of a few specific kicks.

Gief is power* bottom one

Zangief is as strong as your opponent is afraid.

Damn Ed's Lvl 1 is sad. The reaction was great but Gief had the time to whiff a whole beautiful jab before blocking it

@toosquare

3 ай бұрын

That’s the case for many level 1s in this game. Coincidentally they’re almost all on already weaker characters too lol

@budgetcommander4849

3 ай бұрын

Shocked that a master rank tried that shit. I'm plat 1 and even I know not to trust Ed's supers as reversals

@BigJC777

3 ай бұрын

@@toosquarenah its just lily kim and ed no one else has a level 1 where you cam just meaty jab. ed's got the worst one by far tho its slower

@toosquare

3 ай бұрын

@@BigJC777 You're missing some. Lily, Kimberly, Ed, Manon, Jamie, and Aki's level 1s can all be beat by meaty jab with varying degrees of ease. And Ed's isn't the slowest, it's the same speed as Lily's.

finally, the tundra storm guide ive been looking for

Also every KZreadr I've watched do a run on Gief (you, Nephew J Wong etc) has had a massive smile on their face the majority of the time

The bit about rushdown/pressure being worse than zoning is pretty much exactly how I feel about playing Waldstein in Under Night, who is my favorite grappler in any FG. He has quite a few solid tools that deal with projectiles, but up close his fastest buttons are 3 frames _slower_ than the fastest normals in the game (8 frames vs 5 frames).

i do miss the cannon sound gief's grabs made in his trailer

@realchezboi

3 ай бұрын

definitely, so powerful

@souris_a_boule5695

3 ай бұрын

Finally someone mention it!!

@Switcheroo4542

3 ай бұрын

Had to go back and listen, that's sick

It's the grappler's curse. If they are good for any amount of time, they instantly jump to being disgusting. Potemkin and Big Red aka YOU DODGED? Both had their time in the limelight only once, and got heavily nerfed into the ground for it. Iirc it has something to do with how oppressive a grappler is if they are strong enough to compete by the nature of their gameplan.

@heksevillehero

3 ай бұрын

Tager getting butchered in CF was so upsetting. But nothing makes me more livid than knowing that Potemkin's standard launch combo (c.S -> 2S -> 2H) got nerfed in XRD Rev and no longer links without a counter hit or the corner, unlike XRD SIGN, where it worked midscreen consistently.

@amai2307

2 ай бұрын

No, it is all about how disgustingly weak are devs to whine at social networks.

Dude this was awesome to watch. I am just getting started in the fighting genre and I really enjoy these videos. Thank you.

2:53 lol what a moment Nice work with Gief! Glad to see you're enjoying him even if you never plan to play him seriously

Dang. Broski finally playing the #1 best boy and only S-tier character in the game. You will learn to love the Gief the more you play him.

Seeing this, Snake Eyes stream yesterday and Strider's vídeo about how bad gief is couple days ago make the whole "Life is about perspective" thing create a lot of food for thought tho xD, philosofic gief rants hahahaah

@EdgeO419

3 ай бұрын

ofc its always good to make a quick youtube vid about how gief players are complaining needlessly and then go back to your mains who are WAY better.

@tylerlackey1175

2 ай бұрын

​@@EdgeO419Luke mains in their Manhattan penthouse know how it is to fight for scraps on the streets day after day, just think of the c. med punch nerf they gave him, clearly zangief players need to suck it up

Gief has a super fun kit in SF6, looking forward to seeing the rest of the week. Have fun scoopin'

Your grief is good loving the combo setup and the use of lariat, you use it correctly and I love your use of the tundra storm, I hope of gief's took some notes

Now imagine being a complete beginner who started fighting games with SF6 and being a Gief main. You'll know my struggle.

@amai2307

2 ай бұрын

You should play melty blood instead. At least it would be fun.

I didn’t even know Gief had a parry. 🤯

@evilded2

3 ай бұрын

Yeah cause it's turbo ass

@qwerty1271780

3 ай бұрын

Just remove it from your brain, it's not useful info/

@playmakernova

3 ай бұрын

It’s Soooo Ass!

@ElChocoLocoDeLaVega

3 ай бұрын

That's because it's so bad that no Gief will ever use it on purpose. The same goes with that Mortal Kombat uppercut.

@InTheKitchenWristStirFry

3 ай бұрын

@@ElChocoLocoDeLaVegawell not exactly but yeah

Out of all fgc content, you have the best intro❤

I love being forced to spend 3 bars of drive just to link a light normal into lariat, but yeah the more you play Gief, the more you see his flaws Like how you don’t have a Crouch Heavy Punch, MP target combo hardly links even on Counter Hit, Lariat not hitting behind, HP Punish Counter sends full screen, Bear Grab is ass etc

@VenenoSX

3 ай бұрын

The lariat man, I can't believe my antiair tool doesn't counter aerial attacks consistently. And yeah, I love that my only invul reversal cost me 3 bars of super.

@reb3lvagabond238

3 ай бұрын

I can live with lariat not hitting behind, but they gotta speed that shit up it is way too slow to be able to react to anything reliably Also tbh just do OD lariat instead of drive rush after lights, you only losing like 100 damage in exchange for saving a bar of drive and getting a way better knockdown

@TheFatManatee

3 ай бұрын

I agree with most of this but PC heavy punch launcher the opponent is really good for gief. It’s a ton of corner carry and if it’s fully charged you can either double dash or DR for insane oki after

@mehbanette9762

3 ай бұрын

@@TheFatManatee true, some situations it’s annoying though, like yes it’s nice to get the opponent off of you, but having to spend the meter is annoying, cause otherwise you basically are back to square one of trying to get in on your opponent

@mehbanette9762

3 ай бұрын

@@TheFatManatee it’s similar to why charged jump HK is annoying on regular hit, oh boy now I have to spend meter to be halfway close to my opponent

*Me when game first launch* I pick Manon because I knew she is gonna be OP. EASY BREEZE. *After.playing Manon for one year* Why am I still here? Just to suffer?

You are now a loyal fan. Congratulations and welcome.

Your AKI is great (and cool of course) but I really love watching you play Zangief and Yoshimitsu

Lily exists so I'm inclined to say no.

One thing I've been trying to add is down forward throws instead of just punish counter spds, it sets you up for a frame kill into ex SPD

Thanks for the Gief content. 🥃

hey as long as broski's happy

This would be cool as a series, X character to X rank series, learning tech along the way and at the end you can reveal everybody’s secret tech

Nice to see Broski having fun with Gief

Yeah, I've been waiting dor this!

12:46 maybe they meant on a regular crumple? Regular SPD and double duplex are scaled after DI, but their OD versions aren't. For future reference, you could have killed with hell stab xx OD lariat into OD air spd.

I was a gief main before the AKI conversion, so I'm glad you see the appeal haha

18:37 I am proud to be a loyal fan of broski

the exceedingly rare broski cold open?!

Man, you are a natural gief. Had to watch this a second time

I've never seen broski smile this much before, and that concerns me.

People: "Watch people better than you, and see what they do, to get better" Me watching Broski: *Kimberly doesn't turn a very punishable whiff into a combo, he punishes.* Me playing: *The Kimberly turns the whiff into a combo that takes me from one side of the stage to the other and puts me in the corner.* Yeah, a bit salty, but like, it seems like a shocking amount of time, the people in higher rankings play so much worse than those at lower ones. Like... my god, the amount of 6HK he lands is disgusting. I don't use it much, so it's not like my opponents are waiting for it, but they still have zero problem blocking it unless they've already comitted to a move. Like 80% of my 6HK hits are counters.

ngl that starting clip was the highest display of skill i've ever seen in my entire life

Playing Gief seems to have a high Wheezes-Per-Minute effect. lmao

Broski playing Gief? instant like

Hell yeah.

For me personally, Manon is the weakest currently. But its not like I'm gonna argue with someone if they feel one of the other low tier characters are the weakest.

@HellecticMojo

3 ай бұрын

The perspective likely depends on how you see the game and what do you value as a player. Weakest data: Manon, terrible frame data everywhere, worst distance DR. Feels weakest: Jamie, always starting on backfoot and need to grow in power just as the round ends. Weakest kit: Lily, only having wind into spire for utility.

Watching this stream made me want to go back to playing Gief.

This is what the loyal fans needed.

One must imagine Broski happy

the lack of defense makes everything seem much worse than it is

5:39 That has to be the funniest gief play I have ever seen.

Not gonna lie broski you might as well SPD after a drive impact to get some damage chunks in

Some of these heavy pressure giefs are a menace tbh

you mentioning sysiphus makes me think of Northernlion's streams and him going "get it twisted" everytime the rock falls

With gief, the best defense is to try and check everything. preferably with lights😅

the tundra storm mastermind

I support this endeavor

18:24 the grappler made me piss my pants walk. I know it too well.

I'm assuming a big balance patch comes out with akuma?

It drives me nuts how his super can grab out of a DP.

Ah yes, the grappler life

It's crazy to me how people consider characters like Zangief, Honda, Manon all low tier but will then say how scary they are.

What is that song at the start?

One of us ... one of us ... one of us ... Granted, I could do better. My usual solution to 'do I use drive rush combos?' is 'what's drive rush?'. Which probably explains why I'm not out of platinum yet.

Love a good Gangief stream

Broski you need to do a Gief collab with Demondan.

Only thing missing was the demon dan explosion every time he landed a scoop

After playing Gief a lot in this game, my take away isn’t “he’s good” or “he’s bad.” It’s just “he’s fun.”

when someone rushes Broski who is using a grappler: Panik

Loyal fan time

I wish tundra has an od version with wall bounce and have at least another reversal than just lvl 3.

i main zangief. this is my first time having a main. back in sf4, i got every character to c rank (before ultra, for a steam achievement), so i did it again in 6 by getting everyone to bronze. now i'm working on silver. my main issue with him is that sometimes i do a normal attack too close to SPD and whiff. i can't stand that it's designed to have negative range if you cancel into it. literally impossible to land, which is seemingly on purpose as a balance decision

10 seconds in and a Tundra Storm is landed. Instant thumbs up.

Gief is the only reason i play Street 6. But playing as him is a real test of patience

i will give this bufs fo zangief - syberian express (far version) giving cancel - and tundra storm to parry all kicks even low and faster startup armor beacouse hp(hold)armor parry everything is better and dont se sense to use thundra storm and change input d,db,b+hk - and power stomp(i almost forget this exist) - smetana dropkick(what is the point of this move) - and i thing the flying headbutt was the most scary move in zangief arsenal is sf4 (now is average) - and last give zangief bigger windows for buffer lv3 the same how was in sf4(you can walk almost 10 frames after buffering ultra in sf4) In general, they should focus on moves that make no sense or application compared to other tools, GIEF players have already forgotten about these moves, gief will become much nicer when I find some sense in using these moves, in general I think that gief is average, it's not weak, especially if you play gief for a long time

This isn't a video about Lily. I don't even think this is a meaningful debate. *Great stream as always.

There are no bad characters in this game

@toosquare

3 ай бұрын

There are plenty of characters that see little to no representation in competitive play, if they aren’t bad then what are they?

@RockBottom7626

3 ай бұрын

​@@toosquare Mediocre. The difference between the best character is like a 10 compared to a 8, at worst.

Yes

Tundra storm stuffing kim DI is insane

Zangief is the most fun and satisfying fighting game character I have EVER played. Reading your opponents jump and air SPDing them to win the round STILL gives me goose bumps. If he gets some love I can see him being a favorite

Bottom? I always thought of Zangief as a top. Wait, you're not talking about that?

How to fix Zangief Step 1) Bring back green hand. Step 2) I don't know.

Best cold open of all time.

Gief might be lacking in some ways, but his crazy high damage combined with really good Light punches makes him strong in his own way. I mainly wish his air command grab had better range and maybe allow more of his normals to Drive Rush. But honestly he is crazy fun

Manon next?

@2:53 HIGH LEVEL PLAY

i would like to see even other characters

I’ve spent hours upon hours learning the game and Gief himself to get to diamond 3, just for him to reach master in under 3 hours lmao

Did you get the sub

Who takes away backhand??

Gief seems like so much fun.

Funny that you find rushdown harder to deal with than zoning, kinda runs counter to the whole Zoner > Grappler > Rushdown triangle

A weef of Gief.