Please refrain in making any abusive/hateful comments towards the people within this video, I do not condone it nor is what this video is trying to achieve.. It is simply a discussion regarding recent events within the F1 community and how we can avoid doubting drivers entirely in future.

@slimstrait780

Жыл бұрын

Pin this brother. Don't let this disclaimer fall into the abyss of comments.

@manuelschurig2266

Жыл бұрын

you should really pin this, took me a bit of scrolling to get to this comment

@wedgefeyhong9756

Жыл бұрын

Ronhaar to Minecraft racing.

@renezannini

Жыл бұрын

Can you test the cheat?? So we can compare your evolution using that Sh!T... Please?? lol

@OK-fi4yq

Жыл бұрын

trying to avoid facing criticism yourself

With the amount of money that is being invested into E-sports, it should 100% be played at an arena. Maybe even at some GPs. There should be a anti-cheating system implemented also.

@0nTheBrakes

Жыл бұрын

the game actually does have a "form" of anticheat. If you have anything that modifies the game files in any way... like mods, you are not allowed to play online and your time trials wont count. This also applies to things like cheat engine, if its detected, the game wont let you do anything online. F1Sensor just seems to be advanced enough to beat whatever F1 22 system is to find malware.

@0xf7c8

Жыл бұрын

Anti cheats are worth nothing. It only stops the commonly distributed cheats. If they really wanted to cheat, if they are playing from home, they could no matter what. It needs to be on LAN with organization provided gear.

@drewpixels

Жыл бұрын

I think E-sport is fantastic idea ever since it started and it needs to be integrated with grandprix weekends leading up to the F1 race! And on Saturday after qualifying they should have an Arena at the circuit where all E-sports driver have their races there and setups that are set up with codemasters and EA themselves.

@saladpotet7872

Жыл бұрын

If they like make the ESport happen at certain GPs, that might actually be a way to get more spotlight on it, and also promote the game. Idk why they haven't done that yet

@pietrekk1

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakes It's not good system. Still you can modify the memory of the game inside of your RAM. They should've used Battleye or EAC atleast to mitigate cheating

It’s clear as day… he needs to be massively investigated

@DrQuestern

Жыл бұрын

Good anti-cheat and zero cheat tolerance policy (i.e. lifelong pro ban for cheating) are things that are REQUIRED to run a successful esports. If codemasters and EA fail to ensure fairness it will really hurt its potential.

@f1ology

Жыл бұрын

Needs investigation for sure but if he was using cheats at the highest level you got to question how much damage it done to F1 esports? As a series could anyone take the Codemasters game seriously ever again? I think honestly they need to build software EA/Codemasters and make sure that the game is cheat proof. Without that implementation then I don’t see a way forward in future

@PapaBear6t8

Жыл бұрын

@@DrQuestern First of all you need a proper F1 simulator, not this piece of garbage Codies put out every year and you need it to be at least at Assetto Corsa level of simulation... only then comes what you said above! Otherwise it's just like polishing the turd.

@DrQuestern

Жыл бұрын

@@PapaBear6t8 realism doesn't really matter in terms of competition. Fairness does. I agree that realism matters, but it's already ok-ish and at least resembles f1. You can have a good esport in a fully arcade racing game. What is unacceptable however is the amount of bugs, glitches and overall state of the game and multiplayer. It's just baffling that year over year technical aspect just becomes worse, considering that its the same game and the same engine.

@F1_Gianni_96

Жыл бұрын

How do they cheat in F1 22 esport’s is it via a mod?

Frede putting ronhaar in the wall will go down as a legendary esports moment

@rubikvoncube3583

Жыл бұрын

for sure

@DJA1599

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I actually was blown away at first as to why he would do that. But everything has come full circle now.

@harisserdarevic4913

Жыл бұрын

@@DJA1599 I remember seeing it the day it happened thinking how much I disliked frede for it. I was cheering for thomas but now hearing all the new context around it everything has clicked

@internalpolitics461

9 ай бұрын

​@@harisserdarevic4913it's always nice to see someone listen to an argument and change/ take on new beliefs or theories.

I have such a big respect for Rassmussen right now... Taking Ronhaar out screwing up his own race just to make sure he did not win Esports unfairly is great

@Lastname6955

Жыл бұрын

Legendary move

@RPJ84

Жыл бұрын

@@Lastname6955 Well sadly he lost the championship because of that move. But yeh Fred is one of the cleanest drivers, i was surprised he did that move but i get it now.

@matmica2702

Жыл бұрын

@@RPJ84 exactly i thought he was mad,now it all makes sense

@Ansee7

Жыл бұрын

but there is no concrete proof that ronhaar is cheating? All Rassmussen did was selfishly took out another driver who is better and quicker than him. If more evidence comes out in the future that proves ronhaar cheated without room for speculation then yes I will agree Rassmussen was right, but as it stands he is a sore loser.

@icedblxxd

Жыл бұрын

@@Ansee7 He did what he had to do, it was a sacrifice for the others. Whether he looked like a sore loser or not, he played a big part in stopping an accused cheater.

I think he is honestly. When you look at the pace of ALL the Esport drivers, they are all within like a few thousandths of each other over one lap. Then you have Ronhaar. Obvs im no f1 game genius but just with the eye test you can tell something suspicious is there.

@keonxd8918

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, especially when he qualifies 3 tenths more than the 2nd driver on the grid when the 3rd driver is just a few hundreds away from the 2nd driver. Which for F1 eSports, is a lot, and he does it on a consistent basis

@Djentalman

Жыл бұрын

When every driver is within a gap of two tenths of the fastest time, and someone goes and sets a time that is 2 tenths ahead of that it just doesn't seem right at all. Very suspicious.

@keelanjones2726

Жыл бұрын

0.2 seconds with same set up against the esports champion is very interesting. Mainly corresponding with the lack of wheel spin when accelerating at slightly higher speeds.

@pogmaster4559

Жыл бұрын

We had been investigating this guy for a while. When questioned we checked "one" of his multiple machine's and it seemed like a clean boot. And when we asked to see the other he refused, we tried talking to his Manager but they were also very suspicious.

@williamhobbs4202

Жыл бұрын

@@pogmaster4559just for reference who are you

I think it’s clear that Ronhaar is using cheats, but I also understand tnat, until investigations lead to something, we can’t be sure of it. However, his ability to get on the power much earlier than all the other esport drivers, and the ridiculous difference in the minimum speed he can carry through slow-speed corners are just not normal. He still manages to be much faster than everyone else despite having oversteer, missing apexes etc. In conclusion, I think Ronhaar has got the talent to be in esports already, but, in order to win, he seems to be using a slight boost in grip. It’s a shame that F1 haven’t started a full-scale investigation on this yet, but Codies needs to implement anti-cheats for the next game, because this is getting ridiculous now

@itzmk_

Жыл бұрын

Its also difficult to investigate this stuff

@tobiaslumplecker7666

Жыл бұрын

@@itzmk_ yep. They should just run it offline in an arena or at least require all of them to drive from their Teams headquarters. Doesn't guarantee anything but it would make it much harder to cheat

@zachbishop5421

Жыл бұрын

Well those are the ways ppl cheat more traction and faster min speeds so it's even more damning

@BoliveiraNTPW

Жыл бұрын

Codies is owned by EA, so no way they will spend money to create anti-cheats.

@tobiaslumplecker7666

Жыл бұрын

@@BoliveiraNTPW they don't need to spend money on anti cheat to solve the problem of cheating in pro play. If they make Lan Events it should be fixed plus it should be better for the fans aswell

In Jarno’s latest my team video and on his twitch someone make a joke that his plane was delayed because it didn’t have enough grip. Jarno then said “if only I had 0.015% more grip”. 18:10

damn I remember watching that Mexico incident and wondering why he got taken out. it makes so much sense now. thanks for making this JD

@Barntos

Жыл бұрын

Did he win the Championship?

@jamarsimms1638

Жыл бұрын

​@@Barntosno Lucas Blakeley won the esports championship

@rubikvoncube3583

Жыл бұрын

yeah I went back to look at that recently - at the time, most of the comments were talking about how Rasmussen lost his cool and was behaving childishly, but with this context his action makes a lot more sense. He was still in the wrong, but it seems that his decision wasn't unprovoked

@calussy8040

Жыл бұрын

@@jamarsimms1638 He would of if the rest of the field was actively trying to stop him, obviously Mexico is just one example but I'm sure there were other times where similar things have happened to a lesser degree.

Even if he isn't cheating, investigating drivers is always a good thing. In real F1, every aspect of the car and team is examined for cheating, the same should happen for esports as its easier to detect than the real world. If he's found to be cheating, a lifetime ban would be an appropriate punishment in my opinion.

@Ellipsis115

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if you can go uncaught for years in actual esports events and be this elusive and cause this much harm where the whole grids annoyed at them then I don't see how you can just have them out for a few months or a year, it needs to be a massive deterent.

The “why” is best put by Karl Jobst in one of his videos about cheating: “Sometimes it’s those at the top that are most likely to cheat because they feel they deserve it or because they just lack that little bit extra to be the best” Especially in an environment with *lots* of money involved, the “risk” is meaningless. He’s always just been 1-2 tenths quicker which made this go under the radar for so long. Those 1-2 tenths make a difference but they’re not big enough to be caught *most of the time*

@claxxz1

Жыл бұрын

Karl Jobst what a legend!

@calebhernandez4233

Жыл бұрын

another quote form him i like is, "good players don't cheat to achieve goals or times, they cheat to achieve those times faster" that has really stuck with me

@nuhni-no4ks

Жыл бұрын

I think you can also compare it to Master players in League of Legends, using Scripts to get Challenger. They are decent players and only toggle scripts in important situations so it's hard to prove.

@hexhiaa

Жыл бұрын

and another common dream L

To be completely honest until these are held in a closed LAN with pc's set up by the event organizers, PSGL and others like it will have these issues. Whether he is or is not the door is open and they're just asking for it to happen.

@BeachJedi101

Жыл бұрын

100%. The idea that people can compete for this amount of money in an unregulated home environment is laughable.

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

ye, but the thing is that ronhaar doesnt want to do it lan bc he feels more "comfartble" at home. Like clearly if he goes lan hes going to be violated by everyone

@BadWallaby

Жыл бұрын

@@nahuelarocalopez6827 everyone has their preference but honestly if he can’t show up he can’t win it should be that simple

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

@@BadWallaby yeah thats true, if he doesnt show up he doesnt win it, this is pro league so it has to be a rule.

@RacingUnleashed

Жыл бұрын

We don't have this issue. Our competitions are held in our racing lounges. No cheating possible.

the way ronhaar is accused to use it, makes it easier to detect (because of the delta to the top guys) but imagine a "slower" esport driver would use it and not be first place in every qualifying session but still jumping like 5 or 10 places .. it would be even harder to detect

Timestamps if you want to skip: 0:00 Intro 5:00 Q1 performances 7:00 PSGL Spain qualifying 14:08 Time trial 14:59 Suzuka time trial lap 17:00 F1cheats screenshot 18:06 F1 Esports 0.015% grip hack 19:20 F1 Esports Mexico incident 21:00 PSGL Spain race ERS usage 27:00 Final thoughts

@kyperactive

Жыл бұрын

Put this in the description instead, much easier to follow.

@dbracer

Жыл бұрын

By the way, "1.015" means a 1.5% increase, not 0.015%. That's huge - a half-year F1 aero budget huge.

F1 Esports needs to go back to lan events. I’m aware they weren’t perfectly run and being from home makes it more relatable to an audience in the sense of “anyone can do this” which they can, at a lan event you can’t cheat. It’s a completely even playing field and to me that’s the only solution

Props for just making an honest title haha

Have him race outside of his room. I think the result is going to be VERY surprising.

@0nTheBrakes

Жыл бұрын

The Esports pro exhibition which got him into a Esports seat was all LAN, on their equipment and he dominated.

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakes when was that? bc Ronhaar said many times that he doesnt want to do lan bc he feels more "comfartble" at home.

@imcairoaguero_

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakesu don’t really know how easy is for people to cheat on this game.

@Remzly

Жыл бұрын

​@@nahuelarocalopez6827 Which is a legitimate answer. If you've ever been used to a sim setup, then try another one you'll realize that you will be slower for a decent period of time before you can adjust. Same thing here where someone might be used to their own setup, and dont feel comfortable when they switch.

@aevionrokusho4868

Жыл бұрын

But every other driver has that same handicap then.. so being comfortable at he’s own place is true, everyone feels the same that way. But it’s no excuse. and tbh it’s a shame they don’t race on LAN😢

I agree with you 100% that the ability to get on throttle so significantly earlier than everyone else *with consistency* makes the performances highly suspect. How can the people who run this series ignore this? I remember you having Ronhaar covered on pace in one of your leagues a few years back.

@0nTheBrakes

Жыл бұрын

People do have the ability to improve. Otis Lawrence is getting better as well. Gotta remember how young these guys are and they do just keep getting better (to a certain point in age), but Thomas is still young.

@LionAndALamb

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakes I don't doubt he's improved, but even Lewis and Max get beaten in Q3 by their less talented/skilled teammates once in awhile.

@poof7492

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakes bro are you like dumb it would be like that someone in f3 would go instant to f1 and would have the highest overall speed of the whole grid by 10 kph hes 100% cheating

Agree, at F1 esports level, controlled environment, pc’s provided, game installed and verified by organisers and the game tested prior to the actual race event by the developers

@samgendler

Жыл бұрын

In all honesty, a fully controlled environment (everyone on the same LAN) probably isn't actually necessary, though I would think drivers would want that since it levels the playing field against network glitches and the like. But racing on league-provided PCs that are tamper-resistant and remotely verifiable is not at all hard to arrange. If drivers want to be able to race in their bedroom and in their cockpit, that could definitely be accommodated with minimal risk of opening the window to cheating, especially without racers having to pay for custom developed cheats that are specifically written to counter the league's anti-cheat efforts. Between detecting tampering with the provided PC, collecting real-time telemetry for post-race analysis of anomalous performance, and requiring that network communication between the provided PC and the race servers all occur over an encrypted VPN connection that originates inside the PC, it can be made very difficult to cheat without requiring that everyone be in the same room.

@aevionrokusho4868

Жыл бұрын

They have league provided pc’s for the cod league (cdl) everyone plays from home, except for the major tournaments ofc. I think it could be done for f1 esports aswell

Solve the problem: Esports should be taken more seriously, as the competition has been skyrocketing in the past 3 years and because of that the standards and professionalism of this "sport" has to increase as well. The races have to take place in a controlled environment and should be monitored by multiple people.

@williamhobbs4202

Жыл бұрын

I think having it played at on LAN at a small arena with a small crowd of a few hundred would add to it as well, I always feel the stream is a little flat without spectators. Obviously at the minute that’s only possible for f1 esports but it would kill any chance of cheating and raise the entertainment

@f1ology

Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure Esports is done in a studio or teams factories if I’m correct? I’m pretty sure they are already done in a controlled environment

@pinkypromises714

Жыл бұрын

@@f1ology mid year it was from home because of covid

0:37 I slapped my ear thinking there was a mosquito

I just want that grip cheat so in my career mode if I get rain I have the same grip as the A.I. seem to have.

He definitely needs to be investigated. Something just isn’t right

@tomralston7780

Жыл бұрын

POMPEY PLAY UP, PLAY UP POMPEY

@FLAMEalan

Жыл бұрын

BLUE ARMY

@Utube2Itube

5 ай бұрын

It’s completely right as of today

If EA or codemasters really want to find out, they should use the telemetry of anyone they suspect of cheating and input it in their original game, let's say as some sort of automated input. If the car then spins or does other weird stuff then you know enough.

@affectedrl5327

Жыл бұрын

Thats actually smart. But i dont know if they record the telemetry of the drivers that accurately. And then you have varying factors like the FPS of the client which makes the physics behave differently.

@machtmonk

Жыл бұрын

AFAIK the physics in this game are not deterministic, ergo the same inputs will result in slightly different outcomes. This was discussed under a different video and this technique is used in e.g. Trackmania but will sadly not work here. Also it would be insanely difficult as you would need to log the inputs at the wheels polling rate, which the game is just not doing.

@janbo8331

Жыл бұрын

@@affectedrl5327 I'm not 100% sure what you mean. I've used telemetry software in Codemasters F1 games. Beta tested one for a good while. The game records a lot of different things that can be sent to a PC software even when driving on a console platform. I never felt any data was missing, there was everything from steering inputs to pedal inputs and you could dissect them how you liked. I spent a lot of time studying throttle inputs in wet weather in slow speed corners.

@TarawaS2000

Жыл бұрын

EA doesn't care. A dude won the Madden bowl by spamming the the same play all game. He would also put a punter in at QB because he was left handed and would get a better animation on the run play to the right. EA is a joke of a company.

@xmixdx7351

8 ай бұрын

@@janbo8331 yes but if you plugged that back into the game using some sort of script, there would be very minor differences that would lead to a completely different result telemetry data is amazing and super useful and accurate, but its just ever so slightly not accurate enough

I really wanted a video like this. After PSGL Spain i went to twitter to see what people were saying. But i got no "actual" information. People who hate ronhaar saying he cheated, and his fans defending him. I like being able to see the full picture, thanks 🙏🏾

All these comments have aged very poorly.

Just wow🤯 Mate i don't know how to thank you because at the moment you are the best thing that the F1game community could have had! the man who's working the most to change something in EA/Codemasters, this "investigations" videos are spreading so much awareness into the community, they're so great. and are also bringing together f1 sim-racers. It's been a long time since I've seen the community so united. in this case against cheating. (this regardless of whether Thomas is cheating or not)

Surely an organisation would be happy for him to come race at their facility for a little bit so he can prove his innocence. I just feel like things are stacking up against him to the point where it’s difficult to ignore and Jarno’s comments basically confirm it

@Jejking

Жыл бұрын

@@leemartin3429 Ronhaar clone account detected.

@machtmonk

Жыл бұрын

Something similar was done with the csgo pro ropz. He was accused of cheating in FPL (an invite only matchmaking league for pros and very good players by a company called Faceit) by many pros, Faceit invited him to play in their office and his name was cleared afterwards.

Even people who recently joined the community can see it: The last 3 rounds of the Spanish GP, Jarno with ERS + DRS vs TR with ERS Only. That's Crazy; even the gap in the last lap is more significant than before.

they really need to introduce LAN esports like other games have, no cheating just pure skill, u use what ur given

@thijsvons2510

Жыл бұрын

It used to be like that before COVID

@connoroleary3932

Жыл бұрын

@@thijsvons2510 hopefully they reintroduce this, bet ronhaar drops far back in the grid

Such a clever hack. Adding just a tiny amount of grip makes its use hard to detect but its impact meaningful. Fascinating story for someone who just stumbled across it via KZread algorithms...

Soooo this aged very well, presential event, and he is still a beast

Thing is as long as your a "good" driver. You can tune the cheats to make your time align with everyone around you. It's actually quite scary that it might be a few people in esports considering they race in their home.

I also felt quite surprised that he could make such great progress in this game. He just suddenly became a F1 esports champion fighter from no where.Until this video.

are there any instances of him ever racing in person (not from home)? how did he do? we could use that as comparison

i want to see him at LAN, thats all. Jarno drove so fucking great race tbh

That is what we were all waiting for!

A bunch of people owe Thomas Ronhaar a f****** excuse

Hi, I’m new in f1 22 and watching your hot lap videos. Do u use traction control? Because in some places I see you use full throttle where I just turning around. Sorry for silly question

@Paddock-Pilot

Жыл бұрын

Hey, no lol

its great to have an actual former pro analyze these clips and give insight as to why people think hes cheating. Someone who been in the game and actually understands the game has so much credibility, doing a great service to the community

Its very weird that there is no 3rd party anti-cheat required for these kind of events

Man, someone that is clear and clean wouldnt generate that kinda rage as it was with Frede. It is, at least, suspicious

I think this was a very fair and level headed spotlight on a situation that has gotten more and more well-known and controversial over the past few months.

@Limitless How does his short shifting out of a corner play into this? For example, in the screengrab at 15:56 (and in the following screengrab of a different corner), Ronhaar is at 100% throttle before Lucas and at a lower speed, but he's also in 4th gear which would require more throttle than Lucas in 3rd gear to produce the same power. And its not simply that he "gets to 4th gear sooner" because his car is going slower than Lucas' when he's in higher gears. At the end of the Catalunya chicane, you can see he also shifts up to 5th before Jarno and at a slower speed (141 kph and Jarno is still in 4th at 145kph). Assuming he can produce the same power at 100% in the higher gear as other drivers can in a lower gear with less throttle, wouldn't he also have the additional benefit of not losing power when upshifting? On the other hand, if he can't produce the same power in the higher gear at 100%, wouldn't that be further indication that he might be cheating? TL;DR: He seems to short shift out of the corner when other drivers don't, which I would think is a significant difference in driving technique. Do think this might help explain his speed coming out of the corner or would this make him even slower and provide further evidence he's cheating?

Deleting the Q1 footage is honestly the last straw for me... I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that just ticked me over

The most convincing element to me is the consistency. This is how most high profile cheats are caught, they can’t “fake” losing enough (so to speak) to allay suspicions. Hell, it’s how they got Bernie Madoff. No human is perfect everywhere, especially in a video game with so many variables affecting performance. A 2/10 gap is essentially a giveaway applied across so many tracks. I’m convinced.

im new to watching the esports and psgl. What is the process for investigations in the game series like this?

Great video. Clearly there is an issue, the main thing being across all the tracks, its just not how driving works. Considering you can search for cheats and find them so easily the issue should be laid at the developers. Grip hacks should be possible to detect once the car is loaded so an esports game has to take this problem on especially with the F1 branding. Its crazy its been allowed to happen like this.

so... as soon as jarnos face disappeared... i almost yelled yooooooooo. thanks for making these videos!

F1 games need a system similar to the old NASCAR Racing 2003 game, basically no matter how modded your game is in NASCAR 2003, the whole field will always be automatically set to the hosts game settings, from acceleration to grip to any car performance thing you can think of.

@manuelschurig2266

Жыл бұрын

The issue is that in the f1 games there isn't really that host thing where everyone joins on one server, everything is calculated on your device and results are sent to the other devices in the lobby so that they can show where you are on the track. That's why it's so easy to cheat, and it has caused issues before with drivers not seeing other drivers and crashing into them because of that, or everyone having good weather except for one driver who gets rain.

I have to ask what were his studio races like did he have the same pace i know some of the esports drivers had to race in the studio last year and their pace was close but not as good as from their own set ups at home.

How do the cheats work? Is it editing game files or a Software running in the background? Surely with the money F1 Esports brings in they could spec the machines? Even from home could they not be forced to use a spec machine thats locked down?

Some lap times should be rare to achieve.. a Lewis Hamilton Singapore style.. a Senna Monaco.. a Max at Belgium. Sometimes their is just that 1 perfect lap that someone puts out at some tracks.. but it should be impossible to achieve it constantly as Ronhaar is doing.. what is sus is that Ronhaar is gaining time on corners and exits.. while Opmeer.. has more downforce and just can't get the throttle down

It needs to be investigated honestly its very very suspicious. Furthermore F1 esports should be LAN and I think there needs to be some kind of checks within f1 esports because this kinda thing needs to be monitored.

I genuinely love this style of video, let's see some more investigative style content please

i don't know how to do the math but does the .015% improvement of grip hack directly corelate to an .015% improvement of lap time? For example, does the Lucas Blakeley Suzuka lap time of 1:27.354 minus .015% equal the Ronhaar lap time of 1:27.174? And if so is that same pattern consistent across all the qualifying's and races mentioned in this video? just a thought.

@rahdirigs

Жыл бұрын

Better grip correlates to better performance in slow corners. One can get on the throttle pedal much earlier and not lose balance. And as for the 0.015% improvement, every car has attributes that relate to its performance. The game engine interprets those in some way. 0.015% improvement means if the grip stat of your car is 100 it will trick the game engine into believing it is 101.5. To the naked eye might not look like much of a difference, but in esports could very much be the difference between pole and p20.

Very well articulated video about the current happenings in the F1 esports. There could be one of the 3 reasons why Ronhaar is quicker than other: 1) He's legit fast. 2) Found some bug in the game and is exploiting it to give competitive edge over others similar to the 60fps one. 3) External means. Even if he's legit I think it baffles all of us how someone can be so faster in the slow corners and still be rocket ship on the straights. It would make sense if he's using high downforce and is quick on the slow corners but then would have higher drag and be slower on the straights which should have allowed the person following behind closer the gap.. If he's using lower downforce then how was he able to pull off a tenth or 2 in the final sector. It seems somehow Ronhaar has high downforce in slow corners and low downforce on the straights. Also the fact that sometimes he never hits the apex but still doesn't lose grounds is something to think about especially considering how quick he's able to get more minimum speed and getting on the power much quicker. You also don't often see any wheelspins, understeer/oversteer. Most of the time, the car is always planted to the track to perfection which is probably why he's getting these insane corner speeds.. It would be better for all if the next F1 Esports is held at a venue where everything in under monitor and controlled. If he's still fast and legit then props to him and F1 esports community owes him an apology. If he's not on pace in the next esports he can always say "this new game physics/gameplay doesn't suit his driving style".

The effort put into this video was so good loved that you went into every detail 😉 , seems kinda sus to me

Amazing work on this report man! Not very biased even though it's getting hard not to. Keep it up

By the way.... Can you share Wet Hot lap guides?

And maybe, he just learned about the "extra rotation" from a certain KZreadr... Idk who that could be Limitless..

You said it. The solution is so simple. LAN. They’ve been doing it for decades in MLG.

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

Ye like the did before covid, i mean if he races in haas factory that works too bc he is getting monitorint all the time and if they know that hes cheating but doesnt say anything it hurts haas image. But he doesnt want to race from the factory bc he is more "comfortable" at home

Excellent video JD. Thank you very much for keeping us informed with what is really going on behind the scenes! Keep these videos coming - I love them!

Do the eSports organizers not provide untampered PCs to compete? Would this go a ways to resolving this if not?

I think its very important to at least investigate it instead of just hoping he isnt cheating and just ignoring him entirely. If this goes on for to long other people in f1 esports are going to be using cheats because its not even investigated.

imagine cheating in f1 esports and still losing 😭 i wouldn't think he's cheating tbf

@MegaSturrup

Жыл бұрын

Right?

@jangalaba4626

Жыл бұрын

do you not see how that would be beneficial to not win everything? he's playing it smart, really hard to catch him, but a proper investigation will do the trick. Seems very fishy when in the barcelona chicane he gains 2 and a half tenths with a lower downforce setup...

@D-AM11

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking pace is the only thing that matters when it comes to results 😭 Have you heard about incidents, strategies? Ronhaar has without a doubt been the fastest when we’re talking about pace. But that’s not everything.

@dominicansharingan

Жыл бұрын

If he is cheating, what is the cheat that he is using?

@deakksyy

Жыл бұрын

@@D-AM11 you don't gain 3 tenths in a corner in a competitive esports grid.

I heard some drivers program the pit stop button to 150+ so when your coming upto a slow corner you can turn on and off your pit stop and it slows you down faster but also helps your speed out of the corner faster.

Will there be league races?

Thanks for making this. 100% obvious, no doubts.

The league needs to provide the PCs that they race on. They can then scan these PCs for cheats before races. This is what has happened with the CDL in Call of duty as they have online matches. 0% chance of hacking in that so surely its the way to go.

The throttle movement just gives it away, it drops in an instant to 66/70%-ish while everyone else has a movement in the throttle. not in every single corner, but in the medium speed corners this happens pretty frequently.

graphics can also be included there. compare ronhaar and opmeer's graphic at 8:15 -this has also happened in Forza Horizon 5 in time trial

Thomas did showed his wings in Q1. I saw it. I think this is why he started a new stream and deleted the first instantly.

@Pasi2580

Жыл бұрын

Why should he hide his Setup F1 esport is already over in F1 22

@Mario7746

Жыл бұрын

@@Pasi2580 would be easier to prove he's cheating by using the same setup. Couldn't claim the plausible deniability that he's just using a specific setup that works for him

@MikeSavageF1

Жыл бұрын

@@Pasi2580 Reason for this is actually pretty simple, they can be fined for leaking their setups, so it is understandable that he deleted it. Despite that, there are too many other things that do not line up for how he's racing.

One thing I'd love to know is why does Thomas always race in his bedroom? Even during eSports

@0nTheBrakes

Жыл бұрын

I don't imagine Haas actually provides a facility for their drivers, they cant even hit the budget cap for F1.

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

@@0nTheBrakes They can race from ferrari facility too btw. If im not wrong jake did race in ferrari facility when he was racing for haas. But the thing is that Ronhaar doesnt want to race from factory bc he is more "comfortable" at home and that sounds weird already

Are esports or top level drivers changing there diff and brake bias settings during the course of a lap. Intersted to know as they all hide that part of there display?

@Adz44-_-

Жыл бұрын

Yes they do, lucas blakley has a few videos where he shows this I think his Silverstone race he does.

I am a big fan of chess also and I find this story about cheating in F1 games being as difficult to deal with as it is in chess. The same that applies for top tier esport drivers who can gain a very impressive advantage with only 0.15% more grip, also applies for top tier chess players who get the advantage of knowing if they have a dominant or a losing position (evaluation bar) during mid/late game. They don't even need that much advantage cause they are already very good at their respective game even without anything. And the same kind of thing that happened with Thomas in F1 esport scenes also applied with Hans Niemann in competitive Chess scene. They both improved at an impressive rate, so impressive that other top tier competitors have started to actually doubt the legitimacy of their progress.

Really hope he is not cheating, I am rooting for him in esports

@gumzinator

Жыл бұрын

Hope so, but the gap is too massive for that skill level.

@SELFVERIFIED

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope he agrees to race from haas factory or somewhere else just too prove he is not cheating. Really rooting for him

@GODxLIFTS

Жыл бұрын

well , hate to say it youre going to be dissapointed ngl

@nahuelarocalopez6827

Жыл бұрын

@@SELFVERIFIED I mean if he does that and he still dominates then thats it, he isnt cheating, buuut, he said himself that he doesnt want to race from haas factory bc he feels more "comfortable" at home. So thats already weird not wanting to race from the factory while the other 19 drivers have no problem doing so.

@taipizzalord4463

Жыл бұрын

@@nahuelarocalopez6827 True, tho playing on a new rig/setup will make you slower at first.

I personally believe Thomas is cheating tbh. That aside, great video, you did a good job remaining impartial and I think that is very important when it comes to videos like this. Props.

Do they capture the inputs and setup from the car of each race? It would be easy to figure out if they did. Simply replay the inputs on a clean install of the game and see what happens. Either the car can do it or it cant. I would become obvious pretty quick if there was funny business.

The video everyone waited for! I ain't blaming until proven but if everyone is saying one name it's gonna be a more obvious fact ofcourse, but we'll see. Thanks for the vid limitless

I already thought about him cheating like 3months ago

a 1.015 multiplier is 1.5%

Why you shift to Moza from DD1?

Thanks for highlighting this. When you put hundreds/thousands of hours into practise and setups etc, and then some guy comes along and hack the game open to cheat, it is the most disgusting and dirty thing you can do. Sometimes it's very obvious. Or guys finding stupid amounts of time in a short period of weeks/months. At a certain level it becomes easier to spot, and in esports, it's a lot easier. The guys are so closely matched that outliers are always worth investigating. Nice and detailed video man. Thanks.

Ronharr is guilty clear as day. Why delete your own fastest lap from the leaderboard when you’re P1? It’s so obvious and other drivers know it too!

Funnily enough, they guy you raced in China, Jernej, has been caught cheating.

Do you think that they will change the last sector of the Barcelona GP for the next f1 game (f1 23)?

@rooolando

Жыл бұрын

100 %

@PzudemK

Жыл бұрын

I dont think' so...

@gurry123

Жыл бұрын

I also don't think so

With how much money is involved in esports now, they should just issue each driver a locked down pre-built PC. The machines can be managed/updated remotely and there wouldn't even be a question as to whether a driver is legit or not. That way you don't need to wait for EA/Codemasters to fix/patch/detect anything, you just ensure that the field is running the exact same software.

I think something you also have to remember is, since he is 17, he may have tunnel vision on the rewards of winning and the attention he could get from winning. It is very easy at that age to not think about the consequences of your actions.

@danieldorn9989

Жыл бұрын

If there is no investigation, there will be no consequences for his actions.

Got a little awkward when Ronhaar hosted Jarno on twitch right after those comments 😂

@BlueBand3

Жыл бұрын

Lol it was

@kapa2909

Жыл бұрын

And thomas came to his chat to say gg but jarno just ignored that comment

Is the view we are seeing the view they race with? Seems like an angle instead of in the car

What did jarno say? I cant hear it

If I was an eSports driver and I thought very much that one of my competitors was cheating. Especially a guy who's right up there at the top about to win it all. I would be sounding the horn. There's absolutely no reason everyone should stay mum about this. Ronhaar needs to go to a neutral site, race on a sim that everyone knows is legit and has no cheats, and prove his skills there. Either that there needs to be a very thorough investigation into his driving, just like there was here. Breaking down the analytics and get to the bottom of this. Bottomline, find out if this guy is cheating or not! It's crazy that were even having this discussion about such a prominent driver.

@xmixdx7351

8 ай бұрын

i reckon silenced by the brand essentially, or not wanting to risk it, jarno really wants to just complain on all his socials, but is constantly shushed by his engineer

I think it's suspicious. Like you said, sure, everyone is allowed to improve. That's the end goal. But the signs of cheating are quite strong. For the next eSports series, I think it should be hosted on a controlled LAN where no other equipment is allowed inside the network save from the PCs and stewards computers. Also, drivers should use standardized gear.

I like one quote from the video about cheating in Trackmania game. Maybe there is a case. "Great players don't cheat to get a good time. They cheat to get a good time faster."

You know that F1 esports is becoming more like real F1 when cheating is one of the most talked about discussions during a season.

Wouldn't 1.015 be +1.5% not +0.015%? 0.015% I doubt it will give 0.2 seconds

This did not age well...

Do f1 esports drivers have to run any anticheat or pc detection software like MOSS?

@SN13K3R

Жыл бұрын

Nope

JD ive seen dms of the owner of f1 sensor, and details on how it works. if you want the screenies let me know