Feminism is where women are equal to men, not superior. Astruc has the wrong idea 🙄

@greenrangeralex

4 жыл бұрын

True

@sarahelizabethraemonetaber9940

4 жыл бұрын

so true feminism is being equal not putting down men

@inf1nityxyxz

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Yyup

@yasminbalo3089

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams We're not saying he's putting down men. Chat Noir is meant to Ladybug's equal (yin and yang) yet we barely have any Adrien centred episodes and Chat Noir is always shown as a sidekick. I think Ladybug can still lead but I don't like how Chat Noir is seen as "less than".

Thomas Astruc needs to calm down. He's going to end up ruining his own show just like Butch Hartman did. He should not be fighting fans and trolls. It's a waste of time and makes him look bad. People had legit criticisms about how the main characters are progressing and I agree with them. I'm tired of Marianette being a creepy, obsessive stalker. Let her mature please. And Cat Noir always ends up dumbed down during a fight to make Ladybug look good.

@icecreamsunday6936

4 жыл бұрын

Ngl most of the seasons were pretty bad

@halaabdelrazek3444

4 жыл бұрын

when i debated him on Twitter, his defense is that "it's a series so character development would take more time than a 2 hour movie" which is honestly the most stupid argument i ever heard because first off; the show has more than 25 hours of screen time, and second off; why would you have your female lead that many little girls look up to be such a bad person?

@Vampxiii_

4 жыл бұрын

Raspberry Heart - definitely agree!

@amandatarga7316

4 жыл бұрын

Good point. They gave Adrien a miraculous because he is chosen and worthy, so why are they making him dumb during a fight? Lmao.

@DiamondsRexpensive

4 жыл бұрын

Wow did butch also fight fans in a pity way????

Don’t even get me started on Chloé. Whenever someone validly criticizes the way her character development was thrown out the window, Thomas gets so offended and calls her a “stupid” character. For example, what was his justification for that one racist comment she made in season 1? “Because she’s stupid.” Literally why bother giving her a story arc for why she acts so bitchy if you’re just gonna make her a villain at the end?? That just makes Lila useless then.

@twilight3272

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Someone else finally acknowledges how he can’t let the show move on from her!!

@rileymclellan8953

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, what racist comment?

@needmeachillplaylistforstu3495

4 жыл бұрын

stupid character my ass lmfao it’s like astruc forgets he wrote her that way

@monsee4878

4 жыл бұрын

Riley McLellan i’m not sure but i think they mean in the episode “kung food” where she tells marinette that her uncle should make sushi like everyone else

@cestalia

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas pretty much said Chloe can't change yet because she still expect rewards and fame instead doing it out of goodwill.

I think the reason everyone’s hates cat noir being dumbed down is because Marinette and Adrien were introduced to the show as equals with no one above the other. Now it seems like the show is just giving Marinette the main role and just portraying Adrien as Ladybugs sidekick and Marinette love interest for reasons no one knows about. Thomas Astruc going in this direction doesn’t make sense as the show revolves around the love square but now it’s seems like there moving past from that and focusing more on Marinette. Who I think is a boring, creepy character based on her behaviour in season 3.

@gregsimoes8645

4 жыл бұрын

The problem isn't that they're moving "past" the love square, the PROBLEM is they're now adding OBVIOUS filler to just keep spinning their wheels and hopefully lock viewers in stasis for as long as possible. It's idiotic that they "tease" relationship advancement just to rip it away with increasingly outlandish gimmicks (memory loss, time travel, etc). And now they're doing the absolute WORST time filler. The relationship hasn't progressed because Marinette loves Adrien (above all others) and Chat Noir loves Ladybug and they don't know they're the same people (again, because of increasingly stupid reasons). HOWEVER, at the end of Season 3, they added Luka & Kagami as "fillers" and tease the mains connecting with these other characters. WHY?!?! Just that one question: WHY?!? So, Marinette CONSTANTLY refuses Chat Noir (who is Adrien) because she's in love with Adrien and doesn't want to "cheat" on her love. But instead she'll "cheat" on herself with Luka because... sure? Likewise, Chat Noir has a whole episode agonizing on how to turn down Marinette because he loves Ladybug and doesn't want to "cheat" on her, but hey, why not hook up with Kagami instead. Either these two should be SO in love with the other that even that person's alter ego can't measure up OR there should be room for them to give each other a chance because their hero or non-hero identities are good people too. But saying "the other version of X isn't right for me, but this other rando character is ok" just betrays everything they've tried to build about these characters.

@Commenter839

4 жыл бұрын

@Becky Longlegs, I’m a dude. Chat Blanc was an okay episode, but it was ultimately pointless filler. The Ladybug and Chat that got together don't exist anymore, and the Ladybug in the "real" timeline has no idea what happened beyond an AU Chat knowing her identity.

@semolinalibra

4 жыл бұрын

That’s not true. Everyone thinks that just because ladybug is the leader. He had such an important role in Miraculer. Ladybug literally says that “cause we’re ladybug and chat noir, ladybug doesn’t have half as cool”, “we’re gonna need your cataclysm, we’d be lost without him”, “it’s us against the world, as always” so idk what you mean. Yeah Marinette is annoying, she never gets called out for her mistakes and Adrien thinks of her as an angel when she’s actually a creep.

@k.NightRae13

4 жыл бұрын

@Hunting Ground , tottaly agreed. All you said was true. Adrien does have feelings for Marinette but holds it back, not that he is too loyal to LadyBug but because he's afraid to lose what he and Marinette has. Having Kagami does make sense although I still prefered Marichat to be a way for them. He clearly can't read her because for all we know, never even really confessed to him and he was isolated for the most of his life to know how the world works. It's obvious that he has a thing for her, many just doesn't see that, but if you clearly look at Adrien's actions towards her, you can understand "I knew you weren't just a friend" from ChatBlanc. He's just a confused boy that needs love.It's just so painful to see your ship being toxic and more toxic every minute. If only Marinette confessed to him, then everything would be finally alright.

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

@Becky Longlegs, I’m a dude. I don’t trust him at ALL in the writing department 3 seasons and he’s still falling into the most basic trap of writing “Show don’t tell” He keeps telling us both in unierse and out that Chat is an equal but he can’t show it.

oh Marinette does get punished... for all the wrong things... like how dare she reject a guy that she doesn't think she have feelings for when they're fighting an akuma, but steal a phone? that's fiiiiiine. stalker behavior? that's fiiiiiine

@emmaluksusmsp

4 жыл бұрын

Heres a like to your comment, thats fiiiiiiiiiiiine right? Thats fiiiiiine 💕 (sorry i just really loved ur comment 😩)

@Rainjojo

4 жыл бұрын

This comment needs more likes

@theglasswolf3206

4 жыл бұрын

Breaking into someone’s house? That’s fiiiiiine.

@blooperbooks

4 жыл бұрын

To add to the comment, (if you're okay with that) how dare she be happy that a person who has been tormenting her for literal years will now be out of her life and on a different continent. Becoming super obsessed with a boy she didn't even like before he handed her an umbrella? That's fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. I love Marinette but I also really hope the entire cast of characters gets some major development. Or any meaningful development that won't wash away with the next episode.

@lagtduckgirl7993

4 жыл бұрын

Being a compulsive liar even if the situation doesn't have to do with her secret identity as Ladybug That's fiiiiiineeee

Basically ladybug and Adrian are becoming more and more perfect while chat noir and marionette are becoming trash

@jadestadelmeyer2579

4 жыл бұрын

This was by far the best and most agreeable comment yet!!

@VaswTs

4 жыл бұрын

@Ella McKinney Mari and Chat*

@salmasomething6870

4 жыл бұрын

@@jadestadelmeyer2579 frr

@user-xj8bn1su8l

3 жыл бұрын

compact and concise

@jannatsifiath7513

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

If the show is “made for girls only” then how are most of the miraculous holders males?

@ItssMelissa

4 жыл бұрын

AND most of the primary creators too, AND it villainises female characters more than the actual main 'villain' of the show

@gregsimoes8645

4 жыл бұрын

Hawkmoth is the villain, so that doesn't really prove your point (and is arguably offset by Nathalie) Minus Ladybug & Chat Noir, you have: Girls: Alya, Chloe, Alix & Kagami Boys: Luka, Max, Kim & Nino So, the split is actually pretty even. The more debatable issue (and this goes with the "Mary Sue" aspect) is Marinette can and does wear multiple miraculous when no one else (including in the HISTORY of forever) is supposedly capable of such a feat. So, for example, we don't (yet) have a true Mouse miraculous holder because instead Marinette took it. But even ignoring ALL that, many (non-main) characters being male doesn't necessarily mean anything re: target audience. Often things targeted to boys or girls have lots of the opposite group specifically because that gives them lots of options for fantasy pairings. (the "harem" trope)

@tulip135

4 жыл бұрын

That’s not really true tho, given the fact that there’ll be more miraculous holders and it’ll eventually even out

@addysooon

4 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimoes8645 I think they r going off of the logic Thomas brought up saying that chat noir doesn't have as much screen time as Ladybug because the show is targeted towards girls. U do bring up some pretty good points tho

@EmphaticNod

4 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimoes8645 Hawkmoth and Mayura do each hold a Miraculous though, so I feel like they still count, and Master Fu brings the total number of male Holders up by one but honestly, I don't feel like that matters. The discrepancy is so small, it's not worth getting hung up on. I agree with your overall point that gender disparity isn't just about numbers, nor does it mean a show isn't intended for its target audience.

This show is going downhill. It's the same with Voltron. Wasted potential. Mlb can still be saved but s4 needs to have continuity, the episodes need to come out in order, character development for marinette please (no more stalker, shy, clumsy marinette). Also Adrien needs more attention. He's always at the background as the perfect good boy, when in reality he is a caring goof ball who wants to be free/loved/acknowledged. If the reveal, the final battle with hawkmoth & how adrienette comes to be isnt done written well or executed good...the fanbase will riot and I would consider quitting the show.

@TheM1844

4 жыл бұрын

At the rate the show has been going I doubt that there will ever be a final battle. For there to be a final battle things actually have to change and within the three seasons the show has been on air there has been almost zero change. There are many great shows that have more potential, and development in the first 5 episodes than Miraculous has done in 3 seasons.

@user-hi3jr2sc6z

4 жыл бұрын

I wish they would snapmout of that formula its exhausting

@redballoon9007

3 жыл бұрын

TheM1844 Carman Sandiego is coming back Oct. 1st so I’m hyped for that.

@user-xj8bn1su8l

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like Thomas' just trying to push the finale but rush character development toward the finale at the same time

@redballoon9007

3 жыл бұрын

유유기농상추쌈 Which is exactly what I feared was gonna end up happening because of season 3.

Am i the only one who thinks that Adrien is like those characters who don't really have flaws or that don't get any credits and who are just there to be pretty?

@waoh21

4 жыл бұрын

The creators make Adrien a "trophy-boy" and a love interest rather than another main character, tbh

@carlacarrero4975

4 жыл бұрын

x Saturnify adrien does have flaws is just that their not as complex for example he can be to trusting of people and goofy but yeah adrien should get flash out more

@treesspeaklatin8950

4 жыл бұрын

Completely agree.

@LM-ix7pk

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas was literally said that Adrien is perfect and the world around him is just flawed.

@magicalgirl4

4 жыл бұрын

LM Really dislike how he made him that way because it doesn’t make for an interesting character. And then there’s Marinette who has TOO many flaws. There needs to be some balance

Even if the show has a primary female Aduince. Does not mean you down grade the male character. I'm female and Chat Noir is my favorite character because I hope for the development of him and his attitude personally I think his Flirtlyness and being goofy is amazing but the dynamic that he needs ladybug is just kinda annoying I'm all for strong independent females but Chat noir needs credit too because without him ladybug can't win. Calling your fans sexist because they point out that a male character is underrated or not developed is just rude just because we feel like he needs development. Honestly I love this show to death but I don't really like Thomas astruc as a person if this is how be is going to treat fans.

@the_tangled_girl9494

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!! I absolutely love strong female leads, one of the many reasons I like Tangled so much, (that example because of my name lol) because Rapunzel saves herself, but also knows that sometimes she needs help, which is what I think Ladybug needs to realize. It seems like she's forgotten it, in Antibug I think it was, she was talking about how she and Cat were a team, and they need each other, while in Desperada, she blatantly says that they don't need him. It could be argued that it's because she had Adrien, but still.

@noellerutledge8789

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just gonna come in here and say this *The gender of your intended audience doesn't matter. Girls can like and admire and learn from a good male protagonist, and boys can like and admire and learn from a good female protagonist. They can all learn from each other. The concept that male protagonists are for boys and female protagonists are for girls is still sexist. Just write your stories, make good characters, and good role models and let your audience learn and grow, regardless of gender.*

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

@@noellerutledge8789 your right

@crazyqueen8094

4 жыл бұрын

I agree as well, I have loved this show for so long but I feel like there have been many bad writing moments from Chloe to Marinette. I also don't like how chat noir is treated as a character. It kind of reminds me of my frustration with mlp when it came to spike, like because its "a show for girls" and "female empowerment" spike was always kind dumbed down like in the superhero episode he is literally the sidekick who has no powers

@Ashbringer36

3 жыл бұрын

“Chat noir needs credit too because without him ladybug can't win. “ Ae we as the audience supposed to believe this? Becuase Chat Noir becomes a damsel or outright tuned against Ladybug in at least half of the episodes Outright tuned against her not just incapacitated but beomes a minion of the villain!

I think it’s very unprofessional of Thomas Astruc to be replying to his fans like that. That’s what happens when you can’t take constructive criticism 🤷🏻‍♀️

@k.d3983

4 жыл бұрын

If he’s made it very clear that he won’t take any “constructive” criticism to a show that’s not even close to being finished, then that shows that “fans” need to understand the difference between constructive criticism and harassment.

@sailorcandy6633

4 жыл бұрын

@@k.d3983 Look, if it's taking you two seasons to do development, something is wrong with the story. Also, a good amount of these comments were constructive criticism, not hate

@needmeachillplaylistforstu3495

4 жыл бұрын

1997 Moomoo bro most comments i’ve seen of the show are ACTUAL constructive criticism. if you, as a creator, cannot handle criticism on a project that is made for public consumption, then you should quit being a show head because you are not fit for the industry. and hell, it’s been five whole years of no development and three seasons. i think fans have every right to criticize at this point.

@marianavillegas3000

4 жыл бұрын

1997 Moomoo this is the fucking Internet. We are allowed to express opinions and state our thoughts on something as long as it’s respectful. It’s not our fault Thomas has a big ego and too much pride. If Thomas can’t take constructive criticism, he shouldn’t be on Twitter in the first place.

@aeipathyedits7273

4 жыл бұрын

I knowww

My thoughts: 1. It's made for kids. I present; Batman: The Animated Series, Gargoyles, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Steven Universe. 2. It's made for girls. I present; There's only one female writer on staff, the females on the show fight over one guy while the guys get to be friends, female friendships take a back seat to dating, most of the Miraculous holders are male. (Doesn't sound like a show written for girls.) I really hate it when shows make multiple girls compete for one guy. Why would you want something "made for kids" to be low quality? Would you have the same opinion on clothes, food, a car seat? I want character development for the characters. I want the Love Square to go away for a season and let the characters grow as friends and partners. Less emphasis on romance and more emphasis on friendship and cooperation would be great.

@smilee2566

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly you hit all the points. Let's put romance to the backseat and flesh out the characters first. The romance should come naturally with it.

@lagtduckgirl7993

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly I think the excuse "is made for children" is bs Like There are so many good cartoons out there that are made for kids Not even going on super good shows even winx had a better storytelling

@thescauldron8436

4 жыл бұрын

Now this is a big brain take

@kittykat896

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!

@nellewoodruff6337

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

YES: we stan strong female heroes BUT: we also stan good character development no matter the gender get it right astruc

@omarelmasri9939

4 жыл бұрын

No We stan strong heroes No matter the gender An author once said, make and build your characters, then in the end decide the gender

@izzybrown3218

4 жыл бұрын

Pomegranate Omar i wish more ppl did that, absolutely: but a lot of the time it’s men that get that, not women in stories, movies, tv shows, books, etc

@omarelmasri9939

4 жыл бұрын

Izzy Brown Yeah And when women do They go overboard and make it seem sexist towards men Ppl need to learn the difference between female empowerment and female superiority Wonder woman is a great example of female empowerment, she fought with men, not against them

@izzybrown3218

4 жыл бұрын

Pomegranate Omar yeah that’s what i’m saying. feminism is gender equality, and as a feminist that’s all i want.

@arcticwolflover263

3 жыл бұрын

wonderwoman and hawkgirl from justice league unlimited are fine examples of strong independant female characters but they also treated the male characters good equaly thats what i call a true feminist cartoon

The amount of unprofessionalism that Astruc shows is astounding to me constantly, he blocks fans who disagree with him, he argues and says things that toe the line of sexist and being downright bigoted, he blocks people who call out that he designed skin tight suits for FOURTEEN year olds to wear and on top of that he cannot take a single word from the fans without a grain of salt. To say this doesn't bode well for Miraculous is an understatement honestly.

@Harley24986

4 жыл бұрын

100%

@ame-chan579

4 жыл бұрын

I got blocked for telling him that he should not say that Lady bug and Chat Noir are equal when they're not u-u I even say that it was his show and that he could do whatever he want but that both LB and CN are not equal u.u

@exileforever2508

3 жыл бұрын

I believe once he stated that he didn’t want to include a Muslim female wearing a hijab because of reason. He still stated he want a middle eastern on the show, but not wearing a hijab. I learned about this when season 2 was new. Been so long, sort of forgotten.

@Zvwry

3 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with skin tight suits? It’s a super hero costume the teen Titans did the same thing

@karla_thee_potato

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zvwry dude they are 14 and it isn't animated like teen titans go plus skin tight suits don't seem really appropiate plz dont attack me just my opinion cause Im 14 and I guess because they also try to make these chracters relatable. But at the same yime I dont see any thing wrong but who knows I can see both sides and I totally agree with both :D have a great day

Sadly I think you are bringing in some very valid points. I was also taken aback by Astruc`s comments on twitter, suggesting that it was sexist to ask for more development of the male character. He should also know better how to interact with social media and how to take those comments. I really hate the argument "it is a kid's show" with a passion. To me that is just lazy writing. Kids are not idiots, they should be able to learn from those shows. Avatar is a great example of a kid's show that does so much more and has incredible depth and character development. Season 3 was really odd to me. Some episode were brilliant and others were so lazy, I was embarrassed. Did they run out of budget or had creative issues? The episode that featued Astruc himself was somehow really cringeworthy. Seeing something like that in a show that has been running for 5+ seasons I would understand, but after 3? Why would he even agree to be featured in the show... I am starting to assume he might have some issues. I still hope they get it right for season 4 and 5 and finally add some depth and character development and stop forgetting that they themselves called the show "The tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir"

@WouldntWeather

4 жыл бұрын

As Brad Bird says: “I think if you talk down to a kid or aim specifically at a kid, most kids aren’t gonna like it, really, because most kids can feel when you’re being patronizing.” To be honest, kids deserve better out of their media. Don’t dumb it down just because they’re young. Kids are fully capable of not only understanding things but also learning as a result of better writing.

@noellerutledge8789

4 жыл бұрын

Another good example, in my opinion, of a children's show trusting it's audience is Gravity Falls. It lands on an entirely different tone, and albeit a much less serious one, than A:TLA but also deals with some very serious topics, but trusts it's audiences to be able to understand them. The result is a cult classic beloved by children and adults alike, because it was well written and interesting to adults, and it respected children. She-Ra also did this, although it's more in the same vein as A:TLA, but it was a serious show, but it trusted kids to understand it. Kids don't need your protection, they need your *guidance.*

@madi7178

4 жыл бұрын

As soon as I began watching the episode where Astruc wrote himself in I understood that this guys had issues and wanted to use the show as a platform to address people. (Which you shouldn’t do for reasons I don’t want to delve into) He made his character out to be the victim and even made children out to be the aggressor of the situation. (MLP did there episode about this the right way purely because they weren’t trying to give anyone a hard time they just wanted to put their perspective out there) anyway, I had mega mixed feelings about season 2 because I thought we were going to make some plot progression but instead fully fleshed out characters backtracked and then we went into season 3 with still no progression and even more backtracking and now there is no way that we can catch up to where the narrative should be because the characters are 4 seasons behind in development. Not only that evenly timed events that build on each other -like the team forming and then tension break and the reveals happen and then recovery from that moving into the final battle- don’t have proper spacing now.

@SamusMcAslan

3 жыл бұрын

@@madi7178 "Animaestro" was absolute trash. So incredibly cringey in so many ways.

@madi7178

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamusMcAslan exactly he literally wrote himself in as a victim. I’m just dissatisfied and disappointed at this point. I’ve honestly lost the hope of what the show could be. The New York special was nice, you can tell higher ups are stepping in a lot more during production. I’m still probably not going to watch Season 4 however. I’m very content with rewatching Lolirock which honestly should have the notoriety that Miraculous does.

I agree with everything your saying. I think Miraculous ladybug is kinda becoming the new MLP in some ways. Like the age group the show would try to target and appeal to (when it first came out, and going for a bit into the future) is obviously little kids. But I don’t think Astruc gets that teenagers and even adults are becoming interested in the series too.

@safilan8643

4 жыл бұрын

@Marinette Because the show is already four years old and people age. When writting a long-running show for kids one must be wary the core audience won't leave once they grow older. Sure, one can argue that the leaving fans would be offset by the new ones but that goes by the assumption that the interest in the show will be always growing when in fact the interest almost always diminishes over time. The hype bringing the audience is big when the series first debuts but after that it dies down so if one wants to rely on hype at some point they will find themself asking "Well, now what?". Also I think part of the older audience are the people who wanted to watch the show back when it was planned to have an older target audience and stuck so like it or not for this and many other reasons they did atract the older demographic that is a part of their viewer base so alienating them would be a bad marketing strategy. Also teenagers and adults have their own money so they are more likely to spend them on merchandise.

@dumguyawesome

4 жыл бұрын

What MLP? Lol

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

4 жыл бұрын

BirdBoard My Little Pony, I think. Also, it’s not Astruc’s fault that he attracts an older audience. Well, MLB was meant to be for teens either way. I do agree the way he treats Chat Noir is not feminism.

@everythinggirly916

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I think the difference here is that in later seasons, MLP showed appreciation for it's older fanbase and sometimes took inspiration from it.

@carlacarrero4975

4 жыл бұрын

Safilan no offense but if an audience grows out of a show then it’s best to let that audience go and focus on maintaining the same tone of your show for your new viewers then to try to desperately try to get an audience that might not come back back with something edgy that ruins what made the show even work i the first place just look at what happened to Steven universe future

“It’s a kids show” Okay and??? Just because it’s a kids show we should dismiss shitty writing, development, continuity, and episodes??? That’s not a valid reason.

@littlesparrow303

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah like Spectacular Spiderman/ATLA/Danny Phantom those types of shows don’t dumb down & they prove good writing for everyone

@grooglyboogly

3 жыл бұрын

IM A KID AND I WOULD LIKE BETTER STUFF!!!

@xshii_0033

3 жыл бұрын

Literally

@farzad6294

3 жыл бұрын

@@grooglyboogly same dude. Same

@nanetteestonina5480

3 жыл бұрын

@@grooglyboogly exactly

"It's for kids" is like saying you don't care about your audience and content on being mediocre

@Venusiangirl222

3 жыл бұрын

Also if it’s for kids then why is the plot so so deep

@miss_chelles1338

3 жыл бұрын

@@Venusiangirl222 mhm. 🤔 Even child abuse is a reoccurring theme on here, whether by accident or not. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@nanalove3819

2 жыл бұрын

@@Venusiangirl222 you can write a deep plot for kids. As a recent example, I have Inside Out : it is obviously for kids, but the message is very deep and take its roots in real psychological theories. As a kid, among my favorite shows, I remembered three shows in particular that were pretty dark. Two of them talked about child abuse (Princess Sara and Trouble with Sophie) and the other about this and also class strugle Little Lord Fontleroy). Three of them was inspired by children books. And despite that, there is only one of them that I succeeded to watch as an adult without being creep out by how childish they are (the naivety in the main characters, I really can't). So yeah, it can be deep and for kids.

@vilmavenla

Жыл бұрын

@@nanalove3819 i actually would love miraculous if it touched More upon adriens and chloes neglect.

The "it's a show for girls" argument for how poorly developed Adrien/Chat is, is just so insulting, especially as I AM a girl and Adrien is by far my favorite character in the show. What, there can't be well-developed male characters in a show for girls? Oh, of course not, we don't want girls thinking boys are PEOPLE or anything, that boys are somehow EQUAL to them, now do we? No, boys are just eye-candy to drool over. But, sure, Astruc, the fans are the ones who are sexist. How strong can your main female character be if she's only strong because the main male character - along with pretty much every other character in the show - is dumbed down so much?

@omegatemtres7439

4 жыл бұрын

You said it all

@SamusMcAslan

3 жыл бұрын

Totally. It's so pandering for men to think that women/girls only want to watch women/girls. Like, we like guys, too. We can even *gasp* identify with guys, too. If they're well-drawn, complex characters that we can relate to as humans. You know, just like all characters should be.

@Venusiangirl222

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@andreacall3024

3 жыл бұрын

Preach.

@sprite-master3515

3 жыл бұрын

It might be for girls but I saw more young adults and teenagers talking about it but boys can watch it too

2:15 forget about avatar dude, Sofia the first is a DISNEY JUNIOR show and still has WAY better character development than miraculous.

@heeseungss3

4 жыл бұрын

I AGREE....I LOVE SOFIA THE FIRSTTT

@skeletonentertainment4201

4 жыл бұрын

I never thought in my whole life i would see someone win an argument using Sofia the first

@marivina8819

4 жыл бұрын

@@skeletonentertainment4201 first time for me, too...

@ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538

3 жыл бұрын

That moment when an actual kids show has better writing than a french "kids show"

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@heeseungss3 I WAS A GIRL IN THE VILLAGE DOING ALRIGHT-

When I watched Reflekdoll, I was so annoyed that Ladybug kept saying how easy Chat Noir's job was, which it isn't really at all. Who keeps fighting the villains, protecting her when she's thinking of a plan? Who destroys the things when they're tough?? Who's got her back when she needs help??? Come on, Chat Noir is so underrated in the show, honestly...

@katsushi2329

3 жыл бұрын

it also bothered me that Adrien was having such a hard time being ladybug and of course Mari was good at it without having ANY experience. She even said a line saying how she was always right and better. It pissed me off how bitchy she was that episode

"He wants to continuously develop his characters in a way that makes sense to the story he's trying to tell." In three seasons Marinette is still a childish lovestruck girl who puts her own needs and wants before others, she's a stalker and resorts to being mad at every girl that gets close to Adrien (Ironically all of these girls are mean except for Kagami, but Marinette was still awful to her) And the amount of times we've seen her act like a scent pervert (Even in costume as ladybug!!!) has people shook like !!! Adrien has so much more character development built up already. We see him transition from this home schooled child who was closed off from the rest of the world to going against what his father wanted and standing up for himself and putting himself in public school. He's making better friends and getting a better sense of freedom as Chat Noir. He's, for three seasons now, continued to grow as a character while Marinette has gone back and forth from shy and awkward to borderline yandere. The show does not show them as equals. They put Mari/LB so high above Adrien/CN that Chat Noir can't even reach her anymore and get put in the same lime light. I also love how Thomas tries to be "pro-girl power" and yet continues to only uplift Marinette, and put's Chloe down after he's the one who raised her up and made her a superhero, then downed on the character again after she lost her miraculous. PICK. ONE. TIME. TO. HAVE. CHLOE. BE. REDEEMED. DONT. FLIP. FLOP.

@tkatlavendier3328

4 жыл бұрын

@•AyeThatsAiza• Not for 3 seasons in a row...

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

Chloe gets a redemption, then it means nothing. I always thought she was a stuck up bitch but secretly I wanted to see a redemption arc for her. Sabrina as well in a way. Chloe just... walks all over her. In Startrain it seems like she's okay with it but what she's doing is wrong. Perhaps Sabrina gets grounded when she's wrongly accused of something and Chloe has to deal with her gone. She tries to do things by herself and trying to be independent for once. Sabrina comes back and Chloe doesn't walk over her as much, more pushy like, "Hmph. I'll do it myself."

@liz-yn6ou

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe there is a story to tell and itll all make sense in these two upcoming seasons. In the last episode of season 3, marinette seemed a bit more at ease with the thought of Adrien & Kagami. She took a deep breath and just let it flow. Maybe we’ll see more character development from marinette in season 4 :) I hope so.

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

Let's think Adrien's romantic relationships in anime girl terms: Love interest #1 : Yandere, of a lower tier. Does not result to violence, but does still act possessive. Love interest #2: Kuudere/Tsundere. Does not often emote and is a lot nicer when you get to know her.

@miss_chelles1338

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline your thoughts are exactly my thoughts.

To be honest, I’m not a huge fan of Ladybug. Her outfit is cute and all but she’s kinda a boring Character. She’s always so serious, and focuses on just capturing the akuma. The only time Ladybug is an interesting character is in the comic dubs and the fandom story’s. Cat Noir however, He’s a pretty fun character. His humor and Flirtiness makes him fun and interesting. Most of the fans want a more than just a kids show.

@btsblackpinkforevereternit6231

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@G1rl0nline

4 жыл бұрын

The volume in this bus is astronomical

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

Ladybug is a Mary Sue, Chat needs to tone down on the flirting a little in my opinion. Just- a nudge.

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

I don't agree on the fact that she's not fun. She is fun. At least, she started out that way. She used to be just as flirty, charming, and witty as Cat Noir. But now look at how they massacred my girl. 😞

@astridelara9699

3 жыл бұрын

@@dakuten7883 ikr.... I miss that Mari

Another argument against the "is for girls" card is that girls dont admire only other women, they also admire their fathers, their older brothers, uncles, friends that happend to be male, or even cases where a mother or female figure is not present, like a gay marriage or a single father case (tho there could be aunts or sisters, so it more of a context case) They need both both male and female figures to develop, and ironically, starting that is like saying that girls can only admire female figures and viceversa, something that is really sexist to say

@NinjaFlibble

3 жыл бұрын

I'm female, but a lot of my favorite characters happen to be male

@Venusiangirl222

3 жыл бұрын

@@NinjaFlibble same, I hate how he said it’s for girls only. And how he brings down adrien/chat.

@twilluz7188

3 жыл бұрын

Yea ,it’s called miraculous:tales of lb and cn

yeah, when he turned the issue on sexism, I felt like he was abusing a real life problem to shut down opinions

I just really dislike how he's called Adrien "flawless" and Chloé "irredeemable". Like, way to prevent any sort of development for these characters.

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

Adrien is a celebrity pretty boy. Oh no, but his father locks him in his room, oh my God so relatable-! That's-.. *sigh*. That's a lazy excuse. Nothing else is relatable about him. And besides, Gabriel wants to protect him and get his mom back. Chloe just needs Sabrina gone for awhile and become a little more independent. She is redeemable, Thomas just won't do it.

@redballoon9007

3 жыл бұрын

PepperBepper It might be a bit more than Adrian being locked in his room. His father is being overly protective of him. And the times where Adrian might get a chance to bond with Gabriel, Gabriel neglects him. Albeit, because he’s working on his evil plans. Adrian has been isolated mentally, emotionally and physically. (Also my I remind you of the infamous Eiffel Tower scene in “Chat Blanc”?)

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

@@redballoon9007 You're right but I can only really see him as a pretty boy. I'm not saying celebrities are BAD, but I have a dislike for them in a way.

Imagine someone complaining about a show brushing off a character who happens to be a girl and the creator justifying it with "it's a show for little boys."

@NinjaFlibble

3 жыл бұрын

twitter would melt down from all the people going "REE!"

@parkchanyeol1544

3 жыл бұрын

thats exactly what the creator of One Piece did yet no one seemed to care

@NinjaFlibble

3 жыл бұрын

@@parkchanyeol1544 Perhaps "One Piece" has well-developed characters that evolve with the show and/or does not have a showrunner attacking the fans for giving constructive criticism (I haven't seen "One Piece", so I am only guessing)

@revolvingworld2676

3 жыл бұрын

@@parkchanyeol1544 Because for one, One Piece has amazingly written female characters that actually develop. The complaints he got weren't ever about character personalities, it was about his artstyle. Also Oda never argues or insults his fanbase. He's always kind and likes to joke around. And no he never said his manga was only for boys. He said *even though* shonen in general is truthfully aimed at boys he said he doesn't write for any single target audiance in mind, he writes more for himself and whoever likes his work.

@aoto8897

3 жыл бұрын

@@parkchanyeol1544 Actually The thing fans criticize about one piece were his artworks and the design of female characters, but in general his female characters are actually well written.

“its a show for girls.” then is he assuming what girls like? us girls are telling him what we want and he acts as if he knows better. but whatever. its his show. his careless words and actions are affecting it anyway and if he wonders why it lost hype, i hope he rereads his tweets. but ig i shouldn’t just assume it’ll lose hype. im just sure i lost it.

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

Because all girls like dresses and fashion shoots and hot boys!!!! Ahahahahaha.... I'm a girl and I don't. I'm waiting for that one episode that focuses on side characters. Mylene and Ivan, actually. We can just see them hang out and not some freaking action superhero stuff. I want some slice of life-

@twilluz7188

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline yes please!

@miss_chelles1338

3 жыл бұрын

@@twilluz7188 IKR? yes please!

@miss_chelles1338

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline now that you say it like that, this show could actually be good for that kind of theme.

@vilmavenla

Жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline Also i would like More episodes with juleka. I relate to her a lot.

People now seem to like Cat Noir more than Ladybug (see Instagram poll) - and season 3 seems to have done that. if Marinette was a bit nicer to Cat Noir, and ladybug didn't jerk Cat Noir around and sometime be down right mean to him, and a bit more often shown genuine affection and friendship to him (like she sometimes did in season 2) then people would be so darn salty about Marinette being a disaster and sexually objectifying & Stalking Adrien. the show says "These two are made for each other" they are suppose to compensate for each others flaws, they make a solid whole, to be ying and yang and to be true partners. Not the Goddess powered Lady Bug and her comedy Side Kick Kitty Noir... which is what the show is dangerously close to becoming. They might be able to save it - but they could just as easily take the whole thing down in flames and leave it only existing as a well loved Genre of Fanfiction due to the fascination people have with the Love Square's story potential. That The episode Animaestro was even written in the 1st place & that some of the more key moments were not even things he wrote (like the Glaciator Balcony scene) is one reason I don't have a huge amount of confidence in Thomas.

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

Wait so he’s not the only writer HA I KNEW HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO WRITE SANDBOY

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

I ship Lukanette. I get it that Marinette and Adrien are supposed to balance each other out, BUT MARINETTE IS A FUCKING STALKER FOR ADRIEN. That's wrong. Meanwhile, Mari's love for Luka seems pretty genuine and not some "pretty popular boy" crush. And Luka actually c a r e s . It's not some sort of "he's always oblivious to my feelings" which I'll just say uh-... he might not be into you. It's not cute in my opinion and I'm just silently waiting for Adrien to friendzone Mari.

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline Luka's kind of been being demoted to love interest #2. Which, you know, isn't fair.

@mrcoconut5077

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline i used but not anymore the episode where luka got akumatized i realised he's too good for her although we eont really see much from him u can tell he js a a kind and calm dude and he deserves better than marinette

@ghostphira8712

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline Luka deserves someone better

"The show is only for girls" "Asking for male character development is sexist" Mr. Astruc, calling out a show being for one particular gender is what is sexist NOT asking for male character development.

I kinda hate how Mari is a mary sue who can do no wrong in the eyes of the rest of the cast. Her creepy, stalker tendencies toward Adrien are played for laughs and encouraged, and because she never fails + her status quo yo-yo, her actions never have any weight or lasting consequences to them (pushing the season 3 finale aside as that entire thing was a hot mess). I also hate how Astruc did Chloe dirty. They devoted several episodes to developing her somewhat, and was the only person to ever resist an akuma, but lol nope she's an irredeemable devil spawn. Season 3 spends some time making it seem like Lila would be a bigger antagonist for the finale but the show forgets she exists in those last few episodes. It really is a shame that Adrien is treated as nothing but a trophy boyfriend that is only to be won, and he is constantly kept in the dark as Chat Noir when it comes to anything related to Master Fu. Miraculous Ladybug is an amazing concept, but so far the show has done nothing but a HORRIBLE execution.

@twilluz7188

3 жыл бұрын

Or as like to call it the status quo-yo.Get it? Ok I’ll leave now

@Gl1tt3ryD34th

3 жыл бұрын

One could even call her MARI Sue! Okay, that was really bad

@PrismOpal64

3 жыл бұрын

@@twilluz7188 That's from Jelloapocalypse but ok lol

@hopingstare8980

2 жыл бұрын

@@twilluz7188 YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Easy Astruc. There are adult fans for MLP, Steven Universe, some anime, Avatar the Last Airbender, and Ninja Turtles. Best to expand your audience and remove your blinders a bit. It can help your show's ratings, sales, popularity, and more.

Adrien hasn't stopped the Akumatized villain once in three seasons, and based on the Chat Blanc episode, he could have because he can destroy akumas. On top of that, the show uses cartoon logic to allow Marinette to save the day, like lengthening her yoyo and having her use bat deduction to figure out how to use the tools her powers give her. At the same time, Chat's powers sometimes work poorer than expected, like when the sentimonster was too big to destroy, and he gets awkwardly wedged out of the story, like in Chameleon where he stopped Ladybug from getting knocked out WITH HIS FACE. Making Marinette the driving force in the duo is fine, but Astruc could have done it with more subtlety. I see why he's rubbing you the wrong way. Astruc is missing the nuance due to close-mindedness.

100% agree with you

@watchingandmakingwithwolfg7195

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@majidtabla7676

3 жыл бұрын

Just 100 me 100000000000000000000000000000000000000

@swymaj02

3 жыл бұрын

Totally

Another perspective I have towards the whole “it’s a show for kids,” argument... I have been a fan of the show since middle school when it was first released.. around 2015... but I am in college now and still a fan.... I was a kid but that doesnt mean kids just stop liking their favorite shows...

I actually find it a lil insulting that Thomas is using "sexism" for his excuse to make himself look good while shutting down dialogue that critiques his characters. He simply just doesn't have to answer them on Twitter but instead he throws that term around to shut down convo and I very much doubt that he himself believes that bs. Not liking Mari's character or LB's character and don't think of her as being a 'good leader', or asking why CN's character seems unimportant, or he's been made to look incompetent doesn't automatically come from a place of hatred of women... Take my opinion of how CN's character is being made out in relation to Mari/LB as a character..... I personally don't think the problem is solely based on not giving CN his due. I think they make him look bad to MAKE Mari/LB look like she is better than how they present her and write her, which is that she's a Mary Sue caricature that ISN'T empowering, but is privileged with being the 'leader' without showing any leadership skills nor mindset. She does extremely selfish things, is obsessively stalker-ish and the characters are turned blind, deaf and dumb to these situations ONLY in regards to Marinette/LB not to mention she never suffers the consequences for her actions and instead is REWARDED for them. They then have the sub characters reiterating that she is "bestest and greatest and smartest' over and over and over again ie (the writers get the sub- characters, and this INCLUDES CN, to voice how great Mari/LB is to convince US the viewers watching rather than SHOWING us through STORYTELLING with experience and actions within the plot that Mari/LB's character goes through) It's bad and lazy writing straight up, and has NOTHING to do with sexism or misogyny, which DOES exist and is actually a serious thing. Am I sexist to think LB/Mari is a Mary Sue whilst CN has been thrown into the sub character heap to compensate for LB/Mari badly written character? That would be straight up contradictory seeing as I work in a collective with women at rape crises centres and womens shelters (as well as help put on free community self-defense classes for women) who are trying to flee husbands and pimps who beat them and sell them out.... So I think I have a grasp on wtf sexism and misogyny mean. Just last week in the province I live in, a guy tried to run over a sex worker on his ATV after she left his place right away when he refused to pay up front first, almost killing her. He got one day in jail..... even though just a few years ago there was (and it is still ongoing) investigation because they found the buried remains of a women on his property (yet hasn't even been named a suspect which is BS)...she was also a sex worker.... THIS is an example of sexist misogyny. Do you know what isn't? When some guy creates a character he made up in his head about his perception of what an empowering female character looks like for a kids show and having fans critique what his and his writing team of said show are putting out there in regards to that show.... It's insulting for Thomas to use the excuse of sexism to try and shield himself from having to answer this legitimately whilst trying to make anyone else who voices critique to be made to look 'sexist'... It's insulting AND offensive to women, to use this as HIS excuse. That's a DICK move Thomas...A DICK MOVE

@omarelmasri9939

4 жыл бұрын

Its more insulting to men but also to women

@WouldntWeather

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh... the fact that Marinette was inspired off of a real life woman Thomas met as well as seeing her portrayed in the show as being this perfect and inspiring saint that Thomas clearly idolizes... while at the same time being a creepy stalker who sniffs her crush’s pillows paints a sort of really creepy picture of what Thomas considers to be an empowering woman.

@BeckyCas

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget how toxic he is by always retweeting trolls! He los drama so much. Other creators don’t have time to do this on Twitter because they are actually WORKING on their shows!! And TA is always checking every single stupid troll tweet. I totally hate trolls and he nobody should get nasty comments but he could just block them and that’s it, why is he enabling them and continue the toxic cycle? Because he loves it! He loves seeing “good fans” defend him agains trolls and out himself as a victim all the time. “ look what the trolls are doing to me” He is an adult for crying out laud!! The trolls are just probably messed up kids seeking attention on a negative way and he keeps giving them what they want. Super cringey!!

@carlacarrero4975

4 жыл бұрын

Whoknowswhat to be fair anime and other cartoons do the fan girl trope to you know it’s supposed to be a cliche joke is it not handled well ? I guess you could say that but just because a character has fan girl habits doesn’t mean that the creator or artist actually supports that and finds it normal is just means that they just wanted to tell a cliche joke it’s just like those anime tsunderes hitting guys for laughs it is used as comedy

@kittykat896

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeckyCas I have to say that you're probably right on the mark. If TA didn't love the attention of the Twitter shit-show .... he'd probably stop trying to stir up a shit-show in the first place. It's pathetic to see a grown man use Twitter as a way to antagonize fans (who on the majority are kids much younger than himself) then simper about how he's being treated. Obviously I really disagree with getting all bent outta shape over a cartoon to the point of uttering threats but these comments are made mostly by kids/tweens/teens who'd look back at this later in life and shake their heads with how ridiculously they had reacted...but TA is an adult man and I just wish he started acting as such, and grow the fuck up

"It's for kids" is the dumbest argument for dumbing down the content for children I've heard and it doesn't work EVER! As you said, Avatar the Last Airbender is a perfect example that it doesn't work at all!

I think it's actually easier to portray character development and emotions by visuals not writting, so if fanfics are better, that says something

Marinette doesn't toe the line, she straight up is a full on Mary Sue. It's not a new development, she always has been. They have never been portrayed as equals. The fanbase as always skewed toward an older audience. Whether the intention was for kids or not, that's not the demographic he got. If MLP and A:tLA could play to both and respect the intelligence of it's audience, then so can this show. He just doesn't want to put in the effort of thinking his halfassed plot and characters through. Just like you can respectfully disregard criticism as well as take the time to consider the validity of the complaints. He doesn't have to be a little bitch about it. Every excuse he makes is just a cover up to ignore legitimate concerns from the fans so he can continue to push his reductive, and quite frankly insulting, feminazi narrative of girls being superior without having to put in any effort. You can have other characters be competent and have importance without taking away the validity of the main character. Again, both MLP(a show I don't even like. I actively hate Twilight Sparkle) and A:tLA did this. He seems to think that giving Marinette flaws that have realistic negative repercussion or having her not be the one and only person to be capable at handling every situation will somehow invalidate her as the main character. It won't. In fact, it would make her a better, stronger and more relatable character. Seeing her work with others to overcome each others weakness and actively working hard to improve herself is so much more rewarding and inspirational to everyone watching the show. Not just girls.

@ItssMelissa

4 жыл бұрын

I agree entirely with everything you said but I do want to put in a little point that theres a word for people who believe that girls are superior to boys; it's misandry / misandrists. Feminazi is a phrase used by misogynists to demonise feminism, the belief that men and women are equal. :)

@twilight3272

4 жыл бұрын

I want to add to your point by expanding on it a little but using examples from the shows you mention. In my opinion, MLP and A:tLA are both very feminist shows, or at least have strong feminist elements. Even so, the females are not impervious to mistakes and male characters are not diminished in value. In MLP - the more obviously feminist or female-oriented show - the main characters all start out flawed or incredibly obnoxious. Many of these traits aren’t later “revealed to be positive,” but are rather tackled as they grow. Twilight starts out as a narcissistic shut-in, but slowly learns her strong stances and tunnel-vision can hurt people. She learns to connect with others better. Meanwhile, male characters get this _same_ development! Cheese Sandwich, while not a main character, has to learn not to hoard attention and how to befriend equals rather than compete. He isn’t diminished by this - and he doesn’t replace the main cast. Spike even gets consistent character development in later seasons and grows to be more important without replacing anyone! If anything, thinking that giving a male development would quash a well-developed female’s importance is actually a little misogynist. A:tLA is less obviously feminist, but there are multiple episodes I can recall which have plots directly centered on gender and misogyny. In these episodes though, the male characters are not exclusively demonized, and often stand to learn something without being completely thrown aside. Secondly, the characters ALL have consequences. When a male characters messes up, he messes up and has to deal with the consequences. When a female messes up, she _also_ messes up and need to face the consequences. This doesn’t mean she is permanently diminished - rather, she must learn and grow. That’s character development. If Thomas wants to make a show that is actually positive for females, the girl character needs to either face the consequences of her creepy behavior or learn to grow away from it - preferably both, in that order.

@tkatlavendier3328

4 жыл бұрын

And yes, some people posted respectful critique of the show to him on twitter and he was still a jerk to them. I has seen it. He doesn't want to debate and ask his fans what they would like to see and how MLB could improve or how to have made it better. Instead he disregards and disrespects his fans.

@zr5581

4 жыл бұрын

Twilight true but in the last 3 seasons of mlp they kind of erased some of the devolpment of the main charactors

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

@@ItssMelissa misadnrists that use the feminist label get their own label.

At this point in our time the argument "it's a kids show" should be labeled as a red flag when mentioned in a writting discussion. The story is bound to get trashed the moment you hear that sentence from any creator honestly.

Miraculous: “Its for kids, it’s for girls, you don’t need development” Avatar tla: “Ok I guess I’ll just go now”

I hope the show gets better and besides the story not finished. AND YASSSSSSSSSSSS I LOVE THE AVATAR MY FAV SHOW(AND BTW LEARN SOME TIPS FROM THE AVATAR:the last airbender)

@ylil-uz9le

4 жыл бұрын

Do you like all seasons? I love all the ones that are out but I don't understand why this whole comment section is hating on it. :(

@arnel_hilario9375

4 жыл бұрын

@@ylil-uz9le oh im sorry. I think we just all really like the shows and I'm just sad that it's not living to it's potential.We all options don't worry:)

I'm not gonna lie Thomas has it hard & I feel bad for him but I was shocked when the episode Chris master was released and they said "Ladybug is the most well behaved child in the world" I was like: 😂 please

@ClaudetteVioletta

3 жыл бұрын

Whaaa

@VaswTs

3 жыл бұрын

Truly. Adrien only shows his true personality like that. But apparently Thomas's excuse is that this was Manonn's akumatization CAUSED BY WHAT MARINETTE told her. So basically the blame goes back on her.

@vilmavenla

Жыл бұрын

@@ClaudetteVioletta I think Rose would be the Best behaved kid In the world. shes such an angel.💖

This reminds me of the official New York comic that got released where Marinette was running around New York naked and was only being covered by a box. When fans took to Twitter to criticise Thomas Astruc for this, he called them SJWs. What a great defence to having your underaged character put in an awful situation like that.

It sucks about this, but I just love the show

@exoticeditz8863

4 жыл бұрын

The show is freaking terrible but damn i love it 😭

@alexandradiaz1010

4 жыл бұрын

Devil! Rat don’t like that Lila lies like a rug though.

@ylil-uz9le

4 жыл бұрын

I think Ladybug, Chat Noir, Marinette and Adrien are all perfect, does anyone agree with me??

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@ylil-uz9le I think in the case of Chat Noir (and Adrien in regards to his home situation) is just left out. Like tying your shoes and your friends leave left out.

@rfm2006

3 жыл бұрын

@@ylil-uz9le lol nope

I’m actually creating a series of my own on my channel, and if I’m being honest, Miraculous is one of the many shows that inspired me. It really hurts me that something that motivates me is slowly going downhill. Although, Astruc does teach me what NOT to be like. I have mixed feeling about this :/

@WouldntWeather

4 жыл бұрын

Just make sure you stay out of twitter drama and you shouldn’t have to worry about going downhill like Thomas.

@uniquerain1070

4 жыл бұрын

Whoknowswhat In actually very open-minded and would easily get inspired by a fans work, I’m just worrying about doing something wrong in the series. I don’t want the main character to be like Marinnette, aka “perfect” as the guy in the video puts it, but I tend to make mistakes like that in stories.

@narnia1233

4 жыл бұрын

No writing is perfect. And you will get criticism no matter what you write because everyone has different opinions. But you should always treat everyone with respect and ignore bullies. Also I think it does help to write about characters you personally understand, like if you’ve known someone with a certain type of personality or if you’ve experienced a similar feeling or situation. Also, in my opinion, I think it’s best if creators can sympathize and care about all their characters-even the villains, in sort of a neutral party or just objective way. I just think that can help to not write one dimensional characters if you can feel for them yourself even if your characters don’t deserve it. Hard to explain, but as an author, you have to realize that there will always be someone out there that identifies with each character you create because there’s so many ppl out there. So, if you hate one of your characters and can’t see them in a positive light, I think it’s not a great idea to write about that character. It’s okay if some characters in your story choose to be villains and don’t get redeemed. But if someone asks you in an interview if that character is someone you hate, definitely don’t say yes. Instead say that the character chose to be evil. Which means they had a choice to be good or evil, not that their personality or something made them inherently evil. Basically I recommend being a very kind person who genuinely loves all their characters and write about what you’re interested in. It is okay if you don’t write well. Most ppl don’t, especially at first, but don’t despair just keep writing and listen to constructive criticism to improve. Good luck! 👍

@narnia1233

4 жыл бұрын

And I guess I also want to say, in my opinion, you should never say one of your characters is irredeemable. Instead again, you should say that they are choosing to do evil. Anyways, this all is a bit based on my beliefs, but essentially I don’t see any characters no matter how bad as irredeemable during their life. They can choose to change and no longer do evil things. But, yeah, there will be characters that choose not to change. I feel strongly that this type of logic holds out pretty well. And because it makes sense, if you treat your characters like they’re people you know and care about and wish the best for, but you know some won’t choose a good path, it will also translate well to audiences.

@goofygrandlouis6296

2 жыл бұрын

Then I'd advised you NOT to watch the Star Trek series. If you want an example of a franchise that's going downhill, there's one right there.

“It’s a show for girls” I’m a teen girl and I want to see more of Chat/Adrien so badly. Girls can like male characters and boys can like females. Invalid and lazy excuse for poor writing. “It’s a kids show” I most of my FAVOURITE shows ARE kids shows (Trollhunters and Tales of Arcadia franchise, Clone Wars, Miraculous, Avatar etc.) so claiming that the show can get away with being a poor quality because it’s made for kids devalues this show, is a poor excuse that pushes away fans, and also devalues other kids shows that are way better. Lowering your fans expectations so they’ll be satisfied with the end product is NEVER right. instead, how about Astruc raises the quality of his work and the show to actually meet or surpass our expectations?

@twilluz7188

3 жыл бұрын

Yea my favourite show is mlp and I’m in secondary school

Im trying to maintain some hope for season 4 😣

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Zzeeeee Same

@Kai555100

4 жыл бұрын

But remember Cloe is IrEdImAbLe

@omegatemtres7439

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kai555100 aaaaand you ruined it.

@aoto8897

3 жыл бұрын

@@omegatemtres7439 How so? Did I miss something? what happened?

@3rebella

3 жыл бұрын

Shock value. Thats all i will say

I agree with both POVS but I do think they should give more of a spotlight to chat noir cause its his show two and he decently shouldn't speak to fans like that.

@anisa6658

4 жыл бұрын

Aesthetical Dreams i mean he IS calling everyone’s opinions “bullshit from strangers”. Idk about you but that makes me feel very bad, that the creator of my favorite show would talk like that about the fans of his show. But ive seen you reply to every single comment that says that thomas is wrong so i dont really expect you to put yourself through the fans’ eyes

@Berry00017

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams Thomas still shouldn't be disrespecting his fans and he shouldn't be expecting everyone to agree with him!

@rizma_dizma4391

4 жыл бұрын

Aesthetical Dreams just because the show isn’t done, doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized. The fans that are being rude are just a loud minority and most are really giving criticism and/ or asking genuine questions. It still doesn’t excuse him for acting the way he tweets and how he alienates some of his audience.

@lolee3126

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams Stop trying to defend TA that much and accept that just because you like a show doesn't mean you need to ignore the flaws and the shitty attitude of the creator :)

@lolee3126

4 жыл бұрын

@@rizma_dizma4391 Exactly, he is a jerk himself and just block people on twittter that give ACTUAL GOOD CRITICISM

I think the biggest problem is that Thomas wrote himself into a corner. Adrien/Chat’s just a kind, slightly dumb boy, and has very few negative traits which are ever revealed or explored. Everything he does is excusable or understandable. Meanwhile, Marinette/Ladybug has obvious flaws, but due to Chat’s moral superiority, addressing these problems would acknowledge that Mari isn’t as good as Chat, which in turn would be “not feministic.” Because of this possibly misogynistic imbalance, Thomas focuses more on Mari, but since her problems can’t be addressed, she just becomes worse and worse and Chat just gets the shaft. Thomas needs to give Chat a problem or flaw, and if he wants to stay consistent, it should be an unconscious problem. Perhaps Thomas should explore Adrien’s stifled life, and as he grows to enjoy Chat more, he starts to get snippy with his house staff and even his father. He starts to hate his life rather than be “sadly complacent :(.” His unconscious mean behavior, while understandable, becomes a flaw. He has to tackle his emotional neglect and brewing discontent while Mari has room to face her creepiness and snap judgements. Oh, and lastly, he needs to just stop using Chloe as a villain and move on. Let her grow and let Lila take her place, naturally bringing about change in the nature of Mari and Adrien’s problems. None of these things need to break the standard formula of the show, but can progress the framing tale and spice up the kinds of Akumas caused.

@fionasastrit6931

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@redballoon9007

3 жыл бұрын

Alicia Chiminje They’re probably gonna do that with Felix.

@twilight3272

3 жыл бұрын

@@redballoon9007 Felix is just in there to be a monster because Thomas doesn't like the fact so many people liked the Felix concept over Adrien. (Personally I prefer Adrien, just an observation.)

@redballoon9007

3 жыл бұрын

Twilight Well dang

@ghostphira8712

3 жыл бұрын

Chat do have a flaw with being less serious and too flirty with Ladybug and although Ladybug does call out Chat for it, he still doesn't dive deeper into it. He is messing up his character

Didn’t he used to work on Code Lyoko? You know, with the cast that was boy-heavy, and all manner of great development for all of the characters? He needs to get off social media, take a long break, and revisit some older work before he continues. No one needs to be badgering him, but he also needs to choose not to hear anything from the fandom for a while.

@noreenaddilla2343

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE CODE LYOKO

At this point, I'm becoming less hyped for the show and more excited for the movie. Thomas' 'vision' for how he wants the show to go is getting....concerning, so it might be nice to Zag's interpretation. Thomas doesn't seem to listen to/appreciate criticism at all, so I don't really trust him to fix any of the show's problems at this point.

Marinette and Chat Noir both show very toxic ways to handle romantic feelings, and this is being modeled to children as normal and reasonable. There is a problem with this

@lajama6367

4 жыл бұрын

It concerns me a lot especially since this show is targeted towards kids who may think this is a healthy way to express interest the love square was endearing and funny in season 1 and 2 but in 3 it became toxic as marionette is an obsessed stalker going as far as to break into someone’s home with the help of a Firefighter it’s telling kids if you love someone enough you can go to any lengths and people will support you wrong Chat is becoming more and more pushy and entitled I used to ignore it previously because Adrien was a sheltered and was never told what a healthy relationship looks like but in season 3 he got angry and LB for not going on a date guilt trips her and threatened to destroy her and world if she didn’t reciprocate feelings that’s not romantic that’s violent and pushy I hope Astruc tones is down it’s becoming more than second hand embarrassment

@alexandradiaz1010

4 жыл бұрын

la Jama ‘threatened to destroy her’, when did he do that?

@nathanmurdoch5253

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexandradiaz1010 The destroying thing came from the Cat Blanc episode but la Jama has got the entire situation wrong instead of explaining it might I suggest you watch the episode this site is good if you can't find it on KZread seriex.to/show?i=1562457908&s=003

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

And this is why I ship Lukanette. It's not-... like that. I don't ship Kagami and Adrien though. Actually, I'll say that Adrien isn't ready for love yet

@rebeccakoch1890

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynningSeline the boy needs some therapy first

I hate how Marinette is presented as “perfect”, In no wrong, and always disrespects chat noir but can stalk adrien by stealing his phone, following him, breaking into his *house* and smelling his pillow, stealing his girlfriend kagami’s phone and much more. No strong feminine character I looked up to would ever do this to the one they actually love, i hate Astruc presenting her actions towards adrien as a crush when it’s downright creepy and she said she’d treat him like a friend. I won’t like adrienette for the fact they wanted to fan service so much instead of letting their relationship build up, but 3 whole seasons they have gotten absolutely no where and the show keeps repeating itself instead of letting their bond grow or any other character because apparently the show revolves around just their love life 🙄. If I’m as honest as I can be people need development with other characters to in order to find out what love really is instead of rushing towards it. Adrigami is good for the fact it shows how adrien and kagami are alike (hear me out before you start crying In my comment) and Can give adrien his development towards what he truly wants. Adrigami is only hated for the fact people stan only the love square and will protect it at all cost like a bunch of little kids instead of being open minded mature people and realizing it takes time and development mentally to be in an actual endgame. Lukanette also can teach Marinette how to properly act calmly around someone she loves without being a creep or the need to prove anything. This ship is also perfect In it’s own way as it shows Marinette can move on. And they had moments I wanted to see with adrienette Officially instead of being rushed in for fan service like “chat blanc.” But if I’m being honest when it comes to true development it’s ladynoir. This ship is the one that truly shows their development with one another for 3 whole seasons even though ladybug disrespected and never appreciated chat much until she found out he was adrien it seems. Ladybug always seemed like a Mary Sue, and needs to appreciate chat more instead of just brushing him off like nothing. Marinette on the other hand needs therapy, if I were adrien I wouldn’t want her around me

@ylil-uz9le

4 жыл бұрын

Who ever said Marinette is perfect? Also why is it that your a little kid if you ship the love square. I don't think it's fair to say that when the main audience just likes the moments between Marinette and Adrien or Ladybug and Chat noir just like you like the moments between Adrien and Kagami or Marinette and Luka. I don't think you have to be exactly like someone just to be in a relationship with them (Adrien and Kagami.) The fact that Adrien resisted kissing Kagami just shows that his love for Ladybug is so strong. He also isn't in a relationship with Marinette because of that love. It's the same with Marinette. The fact that she doesn't get in a relationship with Chat Noir just shows her love is so strong for Adrien. In the end the puzzle pieces will fall together so that they can be together only because they kept loving each other and pursued their affection for them. I appreciate that you like the ship Lukanette and I don't mind it much either. I just don't think it's a great idea to dis people just because they have a different ship to you. It doesn't matter if you wouldn't have Marinette around you, Adrien would. Adrien is so kind and he treasure's his friendships greatly and doesn't want to lose Marinette. That I think is really good and shows that Adrien has a strong relationship with Marinette.

@ylil-uz9le

4 жыл бұрын

@•AyeThatsAiza• I completely agree! She has flaws but everyone does. She's so dorky and that's why I love here!!

@CynningSeline

3 жыл бұрын

It's sad that the main "OTP" (it's toxic ngl) is the one that shows the least genuine love. It's two lovestruck idiots. That's it. How much Mari loves Adrien is toxic. How much Adrien loves Ladybug is- not as toxic as Mari's love for Adrien. It's just flirting which I'll just say is a tad disrespectful and Chat needs to tone it down. But Mari is a frickin stalker. A. STALKER. But since she's apparently perfect, it's acceptable-! Hint hint- it's not!

@vrushalideshmukh8922

3 жыл бұрын

what i personally feel is that it shouldn't matter who chat noir is, ladybug needs to respect chat noir no matter who wears his mask because chat noir is a human too. I agree that Ladynoir is the best ship because its the only ship that has grown as friends and partners. Ladynoir has really grown so well as friends and partners, it wouldn't seem weird if they grow romantically. In Adrienette though, they are just barely growing as friends at all. In a few moment MAYBE but not much really.

@ghostphira8712

3 жыл бұрын

@@ylil-uz9le They treat Marinette as like perfect sometimes and really nobody calls her out on her creepy-stalker behavior

I have an idea: In the middle of Season 4 or maybe at the end of season 5 or something, maybe someone like Nino or someone else write the Chat Noir Blog? If Chat Noir defeats the akumatized person all by himself, someone can write a blog perhaps? So that way both Chat Noir and Ladybug get a bit of respect. If everyone loves Adrien as being a fashion model, they should appreciate him as Chat Noir. Or maybe if Chloe or Kagami sees Adrien transform as chat noir, then they might take a video recording and share it to the school or perhaps the entire town. And maybe people will respect him more. Or if maybe an episode where Adrien leaves for New York on a stormy day (there's an airplane that will take Adrien, Natalie, and Adrien's body guard.) to model and everyone is wondering where he is. So Marinette would be grounded in this episode again because she's missing out on her classes or she was framed by Lila but her parents don't believe Marinette for being innocent. (I'm sorry if that sentence doesn't make sense.) Marinette wants to look for him. (Either to stalk him more or be clumsy like she is.)This episode is on a very stormy day and lighting hits Tikki. Marinette can't transform and she takes off her Ladybug earrings. She goes to Master Fu's place. Once she uses the new kwami, she goes to defeat the akumatized person but instead she loses the battle because the akumatized person was stronger than her. Meanwhile Adrien is in New York but feels like something is unusual back in Paris. He asks Natalie if they can go back in Paris. Natalie says "Of course." and takes the airplane to go back to Paris. Meanwhile, the super villain gives the [insert powerful accessory] to Hawk moth. He/She flys to Hawk Moth's lair to lend him the [insert new animal] Miraculous. Hawk Moth asks, "Where's Chat Noir?" "I don't know. Only [insert the name of marinette as a new superhero] came to battle me." says the akumatized person. "Perhaps Chat Noir is gone. Nevermind, just cause destruction! Maybe this miraculous is better than the ladybug one!" says Hawk Moth. Meanwhile Marinette is on the floor. Chloe sees Marinette on the floor and says, "Dupain-Cheng?" Chloe carries Marinette. "Oh my goodness, you are light as a feather!" Chat goes to the hospital where he sees Marinette in a wheelchair. Soon Chat Noir finds out that [insert Marinette as a new superhero] has been defeated by the [insert person who was akumatized] and goes to detransform to ask Plagg where he should go in order to receive aid from a new superhero. Plagg tells him to go to Master Fu.... [insert what will happen in the next part. This is your option. You are allowed to place whatever you choose in this part.] Can someone let me know if someone else already came up with these ideas already? By the way, should this be a fan-fic or part of a season 5 or season 4 episode? Can someone also copy and paste this to Thomas Astruc if he reads it or not? Also I apologize for the reuse of words. Honestly, this is an idea that can be used for a fan-fic or a episode in Miraculous Ladybug and Chat Noir. I hope that Marinette has some character development in season 4 and 5. If she doesn't, I'm bouncing out of the show.

Chat Noir has a lot to offer indeed but fans need to calm down and wait for the fourth season since it holds a lot for us (as Thomas said at least). However, I do believe Astruc is messing things up a bit on Twitter with his exaggerated comments. What needs to be focused on is the show and not the information of the fans including gender.

@anisa6658

4 жыл бұрын

yeah but the way hes responding to people means that nothing is going to change, chat noir is going to continue to be underdeveloped and every flaw that marinette has is just going to be passed as nothing.

@itsri6881

4 жыл бұрын

@@anisa6658 Not to mention he doesn't even believe in character development for certain characters because they're "meant to be bad and irredeemable" (chloe's arc) even though Marinette is manipulative and uses her powers for selfish reasons. And you can't even have a simple opinion or discussion about it on twitter because he immediately blocks you.

@dumguyawesome

4 жыл бұрын

@@anisa6658 ikr he doesnt care , Thomas astruc should leave! Cuz he doesnt know English like come on we said "make him equal" not making him better than ladybug . I know sometimes cat Noir sacrifices him self but he did it so many Times . Like come on . Make him equal Thomas , i hate you Thomas quit foreverrrrrr

@anisa6658

4 жыл бұрын

BirdBoard haha i know that he is very wrong but if he left, the show wouldn’t really continue

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

4 жыл бұрын

I think the entire controversy started when fans noticed Chat Noir wasn’t in the movie poster. Which I would agree doesn’t make sense, because it’s “Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug AND Chat Noir”

Alright since no one else will say it, I will. Thomas is literally the Yandere Dev of the TV world. 🙄 Neither of these GROWN men can take criticism from fans and somehow manage to make themselves victims. Both believe they can do no wrong, and neither is progressing. In miraculous (IMO) it's mostly been filler. 🙃

@sugarapple7288

3 жыл бұрын

NOT THE YANDERE DEV 😭😭😭 IT'S UNFAIR TO COMPARE HIM TO THAT DAMN 💀 😭🤚🏾

1:07 A recent poll done on Alya's Instagram (done before this vid came out, actually) showed that Chat Noir is the most popular hero--or, at least, the part of the fanbase dedicated enough to follow the characters' Instas likes Chat the most. If it's about popularity, he should be on the posters, not Ladybug.

I hate how everytime marinette does something wrong it's brush under the carpet. It infuriates me!!

imagine. if the 2 sisters finally started to get along and Zoë assures Chloe that she won’t see Chloe as a monster like everyone else does after what she did at the end of s3. So now Chloe doesn't want to lose her and then they get in a situation where ladybug had to give one of em a miraculous and she obviously chooses Zoe not just that. she gives her bee one and because of the situation she has to give it in front of Chloe. And Chloe now afraid of losing her sister and only person who doesn’t see her as a monster supports Zoe even though she hates it that Zoe is now using bee miraculous. the ep ends with Zoe saving the day and Chloe being happy for her still have her attitude ofcourse. she waves Zoe off with a moderate smile and then goes to her room closes the door and just breaks down crying on the ground showing how much she actually regrets her decision of being bad in last season and how much it actually effects her despite her not showing anything at all and ep ends with that wallpaper kind of thing where Chloe’s is crying on ground with her back to us. soon after optigami, Zoe becomes the only person (apart from ladybug and chat noir) who’s identity is secret from hawkmoth so ladybug decides to leave miraculous with her permanently cuz giving and taking would be risky for identity and chloe too keeps it a secret and sometimes tries to help zoe with powers as she has experience with it. Shes still resentful and doesnt like ladybug at all but she likes her sister. chloe's relationship with zoe effects chloe in ways she didnt even noticed, she starts to be a better person even if no ones watching, she stop and reduces her bullying of others drastically and starts to respect others as human beings and doesnt see them below her. thanks to her s3 actions she has less confidence though nobody can see that and she blames herself for this situation. her change in charcater is also noticed my adrien and he starts to repect her once again and more than before and now is great friends with her and woul stand up for her if needed though chloe is still confident enough with attitude that she can defend herself. Adrien and chloes growing friendship is obviously isnt taken well by marinette, but since marinette like adrien, this makes her actually acknowledge chloe and see that shes not as bad anymore as she had though, as a matter of fact shes acually not that bad. this will also effect marinettes character as well as adriens . later near or at the end of season zoe is in bad condition and ladybug and other heros are in dire need of help. Zoe is able to slip out of battle and finds chloe. Seeing the situation, chloe takes the miraculous and once again becomes queen bee and fights, also trying to take revenge for causing her so much emotional pain after the miracle queen episode. She sneaks up on hawkmoth with venom, but he barely dodges it and it hits Mayora, and the fight continues. At that time, Lila too would have been developed more as a villian and she would also be in the fight helping hawkmoth, maybe she was akumatised. But i would like to imagine that she would have some miraculous Personally I prefer that hawkmoth would steal the fox miraculous from Alya for lila, as we know lila is into the fox miraculous from Vulpina. This time however, she will be using real fox miraculous and she could also have same design as Vulpina though change of design could show development. However her name will still be the same marking the return of Vulpina. Chloe would face off Vulpina as queen bee. it would be fun to see 2 characters who were initially evil (lila and chloe) face off each other. this will show that lila and chloe cannot be compared as chloe isnt actually evil. this image of chloe if compared to her season 1 chloe, would be completely or hugely opposite showing that she has grown as a person and character. meanwhile, lila, also changed but opposite of chloe, she grew to be more and more evil and sickening. although lila would grow more evil, this will still mean that she HAS grown as a character. I would like to make Lila as villain for chloe rather than for ladybug and other heros, as lila and chloe were similar at 1st and now are opposite. ladybug and other heros have hawkmoth and mayora to take care of. and chloe can be a hero in this senario while lila, the villain. Meanwhile, now Alya is left alone without a miraculous and she runs to get a new miraculous to help her friends and team, she is least hurt. She takes a miraculous that has the power of healing. She uses this to heal chat noir and Ladybug and not other heros as healing powers are limited. Prior to all this, ladybug had called that new guardian from that one episode to get his help to solve some questions about miraculouses and guardians. And he arrives to see all the disaster and naturally gets involved. Alya is healing the 2 heros but it takes time and the other heros are out of the fight as alya cannot help them, it is out of her limits. Now, Queen bee vs Vulpina and gaurdian vs Hawkmoth, while alya heals the 2 main back up. The 2 main are ready to fight again though they are still exhausted and alya used all her power and now is out of the fight. Vulpina and Queen bee fight and slip away from the others and are now isolated and fighting each other going toe to toe. Queen bee struggles as it was month that she last used the miraculous and pollen is also tired from transforming Zoe which is affecting the amount of power the kwami able to give chloe. But the heros arnt the only one injured, hawkmoth has a bad arm because of chatnoir and mayora loses her miraculous to ladybug as she is paralyzed, which ladybug took advantage of. Realising whats at stake, he calls for retreat and picks up natalie and calls for vulpinas help being outnumbered. Vulpina runs in hawkmoths direction and chloe stands still catching her breath thinking that she needs more practice to defeat her and another round with vulpina will surely end in queen bees defeat. However Vulpina seeing the opportunity betrays him, she trys to take his butterfly miraculous but underestimates the experienced holder. Hawkmoth finally finds way out and Vulpina too separates and retreats somewhere else from him now clearly no longer being his partner. The heros try to chase them but the guardian stops the heros saying they are too strong and kwamis need a long rest to give the heros even a single more transformation. Queen Bee and Vulpina will have a round 2 at the end of the next season in which queen bee would show to be stronger than this time. After all of that (remember zoe was there for a few months only) so zoe passes the miraculous onto chloe, she initially denies but then accepts and ofc ladybug asks for it back. Chloe refuses saying that she has no interest in power or miraculouses anymore but this is the only sign that theres still one person who believes in her, and its too important for her to just hand it backeven tho ladybug is the guardian. And since marinette previously had realised that chloe isnt a bad person or atleast not anymore, adding how she now just saved/helped everyone she chooses to trust chloe once again though not too much. chloe more or less becomes and anti hero she doesnt always show up to help ladybug but she doesnt use anything for bad either. She only uses it sometimes to help herself or sabrina/ her family/friends or other helpless pple when they are danger but she avoids other heros because she still doesnt think they like her and she isnt all that fond of most of them either. ik its never gonna happen cuz the writter just straight out called her a bad and mean person but i really liked how she was changing in s2 so im still gonna like her in this way. I also like how in this fanfiction also effects other characters and not just chloe, like they are all webed together .Zoe is just a replacement of chloe, even though writer said shes not, she is, but i still like her for who zoe is. chloe left a hole and he used zoe to try to fill it not understanding the only character that can fill that hole is chloe herself. and he wont bring chloe back because i think hes trying to annoy the chloe fans after he got backlash for how he ruined her character. so now he has to get a replacement for her. I can still see a lot of potential for both chloe and zoe and their relationship as sisters. I just dont understand why give chloe soo much character development and just waste her. But that’s all my opinion, no hate to the writer, its just my critique. And just to make it clear I do like zoe, and I would love her if she does something like what I wrote. you can add if you want and lemme know do you think writter did chloe justice by refusing to finish her arc or not. you are allowed to disagree with me. sry fir spellings.

I find that Adrien or Cat noir is a way more interesting character than Marinette she’s always puts on the spotlight even tho sometimes she’s doing really stupid things and all her bad actions are forgotten at the end of the episode. Besides what I am mad about is that Adrien or ( Cat noir) is always used as a shield for Lady bug to beat up the villains. But if we pay attention Adrien is a way more complex character with a more interesting back story. He should be showed more on the show.

Abouth fanfics, I haven't read much of them, just a few back in 2016-2017, but some things in the later seasons felt panfully familiar. What I noticed, is that season 2 and 3 felt like it was heavily "inspired" by pre s2 fanfics. A lot of s2 and s3 episodes felt extremly similar to them, and looked like a fanservice with the most common fanfic tropes, just well with less character development.

@tsumiproductions

3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. even one or two things I wrote seemed to have popped up in the series. which I'm not against. I just wish he didn't then shit on the fanfic writers. If it weren't for his attitude I'd love for a chance to work under him. Teach how the industry is different from the fandom world.

Did they like, forget the name of their show? Let's remind them. Miraculous: Tales of ladybug and cat noir.

as a girl i get frustrated when people don’t understand feminism. we just wanted to be treated the same. EQUAL. not better EQUAL.

If this show spirals down like Star vs The Forces of Evil did then I wouldn't be surprised. There's always shows with amazing potential, full of characters with interesting relationship dynamics and character growth that just get wasted over time. It's incredibly disappointing. I think the rush to make the plot (story being rushed to be animated already) just put him in a corner that he doesn't know what to do with. Animation is a tricky financial business full of bitter artists that are sick and tired of producers meddling with their work. It takes a whole team to make a show and if the team just isn't working out then the show is just a prison they're in for the contract. We may love this show but the people making it might be giving up on it at this point. No money and no support? Bad combo. At least the community will have each other, we will never forget Miraculous Lady Bug and Cat Noir!

Twitter: hey Thomas, i think u can do better. Thomas: Block

the way I see it is that honestly? yes if he thinks his fan base is children, then why is he spending time attacking children on twitter? usually I'm not the person to tell someone to grow thicker skin but honestly. He doesn't take criticism at all. And the whole "sexism" argument is really funny when he has also said in several tweets how perfect and wonderful Adrien is, and yet also wrote into the show that he had two episodes where he just whined the entire time when LB wouldn't accept his feelings. Sure he knocked it off by the end, but why even have that happen in more than one episode when he also wrote Luka to just accept that Marinette didn't like him and encourage her to share her feelings with Adrien? not to mention that Chloe has the same background as Adrien and she's the "horrible person" Thomas claims her to be. I just find it suspicious that so far, the only villain Thomas has been treating as redeemable is Hawkmoth, when he's flat out abusive towards his son. He has publicly stated how horrible of a person Chloe is and there's no signs of Lila being redeemed. If anything is sexist, it seems to be the show itself. While I don't think hate is ever an appropriate response, he's an adult, and he can't say his fanbase are all female children to excuse his shitty writing and then turn around and attack them back in the same breath. If a child punches you or calls you name, the adult shouldn't fight back.It doesn't help anything.

I made a Twitter thread calling out how Chloé’s redemption was ruined and Th*mas replied saying that I “didn’t understand the character.” Then his stans attacked me, calling me a clown.

When some writter say "it's just for kids" is just a way to say that they don't want to make any effort to writte a better story, plot and characters.

"The show is for girls" my favourite character is chatnoir and adrien. Hes alot more fun and intersting. I think thomas saw this and made ladybug the guardian to make her more intersting. It not going to be fun to watch someone be stressed. ADRIENS FAMILY IS A MYSTERY

"IT'S A SHOW FOR GURL" REALLY IS A PROBLEM Like WHYYYYY

"The show is made for girls" While yes the show is marketed towards girls, that doesn't mean it can't be good. When I was 7 my dad asked if I wanted to she the movie home. I said no and he replied "but it has a girl in it" And my answer was: "Just because a girl's in it doesn't mean it's good." Not to mention, just because you want the female character to stand out doesn't mean you have to ignore the male character. "Girls shows" too often will dumb down the male characters, just to try and make the female characters "cooler". But this misses a huge point of that women can be powerful in a world of powerful men.

I think maybe Astruct don't see the fans work as potential ideas for the show, but some of the animators put easter eggs here and there about fan works. In the miraculous New York episode, as silly as I make it sound, the carpet in Natalie's room was based off of a Gabenath fanart. Multiple fanfiction described another slow dance with Marinette and Adrien as a call back for Chloé's party and it happenned. People always had different theories on why Adrien and Marinette couldn't recognise eachother and in New York (once again) it is explained that human mind gets confused by the outfit but a robot could potentialy tell. I beleive some fan products gets easter eggs in the show if the animators, designers or voice actors of the show likes the idea. But the "It'S for kids" and "it's for girls" bullshit ain't right. What is wrong if a boy like to watch a girl become a super hero and save the day? And clearly if this was just a kid'S show, Adrien'S mom shouldn't be in the basement but rather really gone and hawkmoth be looking for her. Just thinking that he keeps a comatose woman in his basement without his son knowing gives me chills and it kinda normalise necrophilia at this point.I just hope hawkmoth gives up and move on 'cause that'S fucking wrong.

I hope for the future of the show only chat noir can destroy akumizated objiect. This can made the superheros egual.

@lenastorm6280

4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%!

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

I actually ran with an idea back when I was writing fanfic, where an ew villain source arrives, also creating monsters and villains but these new ones are created by a new “Light” source that only Chat can destroy with a power he has that we haven’t seen yet. Creating a three way conflict with a new villain one that Chat Noir is more suited to fight and maybe when fighting these things they are more clver so. Adriens striaghtforwardness is better for dealing with the new villain while at the same time Hawk Moth is still around

@psychgeekgirl3037

4 жыл бұрын

To be honest I thought that was the original idea. Ladybug creates and Cat Noir destroys but you need both to complete a task. When ladybug broke an Akuma on her own I threw my hands up “welp! That’s it. Cat Noir is no longer needed” come on! Ron Stoppable has a purpose in Kim Possible (the show not the godawful movie)

@lenastorm6280

4 жыл бұрын

@@psychgeekgirl3037 Agree! LB creates, CN destroyes. That's how it should be!

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

@@psychgeekgirl3037 He does? Huh, I was mislead by the clips of that show I’ve seen

I'm new to the fandom and jesus wtf is this mess. He's the first ever creator that I've ever seen fighting with fans.

@indiraturner5506

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to tell you this, but he’s not the only creator of a show that does this!

I’m still hoping for Chloe’s character development tho

The fact that it's for kids makes it worse. There's so many stuff in this show that could be a bad influence. It's long, but please read it. Here's a small list: -This is a show about girl power. So why are girls constantly put against each other? Marinette, Kagami, Chloe, Lila. These 4 girls dislike each other except for Marinette and Kagami. This shouldn't be about ONLY one girl being powerful. Girl power should be about all the girls being strong and supporting each other. -This is for S3. Marinette is a creep, admit it. You don't break in your crush's house just because a girl you hate is in there. This isn't even the only weird thing she has done. -Chloe makes racist remarks against asian people. In Kung Food she says: ''Doesn't he know how to make Sushi like everyone else?'' this about Marinette's moms uncle and in Animestro she says ''Adrien will be eating Sushi for the rest of his life.'' when Kagami hangs out with Adrien. Astruc said the reason is because she's stupid. If she's stupid let her learn her mistakes, kids watching the show will also learn! -Alya, Nino and Max are whitewashed when transformed. Just check it for yourself.

I really love this show! I will say, having a female protagonist is a thing I 100% support. I think Thomas should be given credit for the amazing storyline and hard work he puts into this show we all love. Though I have my own opinions of character development, story arcs, etc, I kinda just wanna see what happens in season 4. I look forward to it because whether it’s overhyped or not, we’re still getting great stuff... with 3 specials, new heroes, and season 5 and a movie on its way! I look forward to the future of the show wherever they decide to take it. Let’s all just chill and enjoy🤗♥️🖤

@marichatismynameandladynoi1990

4 жыл бұрын

Yenny Bennenny preach

@dumguyawesome

4 жыл бұрын

Yea but Thomas astruc is kinda suck . He only capres about ladybug and not cat Noir . And he doesnt know how to speak English like come on we said"to make him equal" not making him better than ladybug , jeez Thomas astruc sucks

@noellerutledge8789

4 жыл бұрын

Ok honesty time. I've heard people talking about this "amazing storyline" for years, and finally decided to give the show a try myself about a year ago. I don't mean this to be insulting or condescending, but I'm somewhere in season 2 and I still haven't found this "amazing storyline" I get that the first while of a show can drag and I can forgive it. I still enjoy the show, it gives me a certain simplicity that my life has been lacking, but I really wanna know when this plot really starts, cause I haven't found anything yet.

@seashell9570

4 жыл бұрын

@@noellerutledge8789 The storyline is not good at all. I got into the show in like Middle School and back then I was obsessed with romance, so basically the only reason I'm sticking around is because of the love square. As much as I love this show I sure as heck don't love it for a the story line. There are way better shows out there. Adrien will always be my favorite character and I'm still waiting for the plot to start. 3 seasons and NOTHING. At lest Ladybug is the guardian now so that means that the plot might be starting.

@noellerutledge8789

4 жыл бұрын

@@seashell9570 Ladybug is the guardian now? Sweet. Haven't watched the show in awhile, made my little brother angry cause Gabriel isn't a good dad:') anyway, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one waiting for the plot to start. Thanks for sharing!

GIRLS WANT CAT NOIR SO WE CAN SIMP FOR HIM SMH

Thomas: Its a show for girls Me: Well I'm a girl and I want more character development on Adrien!

he comes off as highly immature to even the slightest criticism. I remember once I and many other fans had issues with how Marinette's character had become compulsive and obsessive over Adrien; we voiced our concerns and got blocked. wtf. it's not like we were bashing at him either, we were simply voicing out opinions. But each to their own, I guess.

If they ruin season 4 like Season 3 by making her a creep, centering the show on her 80% and dismissing cat noir I'll leave the Fandom. I mean I don't have a favourite character here but come on can you make the show more... Normal? Like showing Marinette's behaviour just like the one in the entire episode in Season 1 where her uncle is a chef and becomes akumatized and Adrien's there to help her with Chinese?

@lucyheartfilia2015

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje Lol yeah and she just _crashes_ the party

@lucyheartfilia2015

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje ooohhhhhhhh

As a kid, I was very imaginative. I made complex stories and have complex fantasy ever since I was a little kid playing with toys. I been told that it had to do with being Autistic or something, but I always like shows that had intriguing stories. Not just happiness. Character development and struggles. Ever since a kid I wanted that. So why the hell should the excuse be “It’s for kids! they don’t care”. That just simply not true.

#bringbackpawpatrol

@kabsageigj8941

4 жыл бұрын

Wait a minute, did the "copaganda" mob actually succeed?!

@theakiwar9118

4 жыл бұрын

Kabsage IGJ Jup. Those fuckers are ruining media

@FloydLexClub

4 жыл бұрын

@@theakiwar9118 Nah I looked a new episode is tomorrow

@francesatty7022

3 жыл бұрын

@Unknown gacha hope you realise the police situation in america... isnt international. I live in a country with good cops and I don't want my people to be scared of them via american influence

@dakuten7883

3 жыл бұрын

Whoa, whoa, whoa, PAW PATROL GOT CANCELLED???!!!

Am i the only one who feels like a variant of the chat blanc timeline would have made for a much better story than the one we seem to be getting now? There seemed to be stakes and emotions and development. Also what was that episode telling girls? 'Keep stalking boys rather than talking to them because the world might end? "Its better this way?"' I'm sorry, you wanna talk sexist? Sexist is portraying the supposed strong female lead role model as a boy obsessed lunatic with boundary issues!

I just realized none of the poster ads have cat noir. Kinda makes me raise my eyebrow

Yes, they are a team. But then, as stated from the s4 synopsis, we'll get more superheroes. That'll just put aside Cat Noir more since Ladybug is obviously the leader. What will happen to our special duo? 🤔

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know but i don't like it

I have a very simple solution to all this negativity: I simply steer clear of Twitter at all costs. That way, I don’t spoil the show for myself and can enjoy it in blissful ignorance of the shitstorm brewing behind the scenes. Edit: Ok. New solution. Got Twitter, but I’m steering clear of Thomas’ account. Pretty much the same thing, right?

@nathanmurdoch5253

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with your solution and unfortunately this isn't the first fandom I've had to avoid social media for. (Doctor Who, Star Wars etc)

also, I am a girl and I relate to Adrien more than Marinette. He doesn't understand that girls can like guy characters more and it is sacrificing the quality. I get that ladybug is supposed to be empowering, but he contradicts that by making her boy crazy. I ended up relating more to adrien because he is interesting. He is socially awkward, emotionally abused and feels trapped. Sure he seems perfect, but like he implied in weredad, he is “living in a prison of roses.” It is interesting. I love Mari but they make her so boy crazy. The funny part is that Mari and I ARE very alike, but since she is boy crazy and lacks emotional depth, she isn’t that relatable. Anyways, season 4 seems to be developing her thankfully. I just feel like the whole series stunted until season 4 came in.

Thomas Astruc is basically a "nice guy" honestly

He's written himself into a hole. In Chat Blanc, he clearly showed that the characters are NOT ready to reveal their identities to each other, they need to develop more as people. However, Thomas is refusing to let the characters grow and change at all, and therefore making the "inevitable" identity reveal impossible

Season 4 is going to be my last straw if they don’t get better writing. I don’t care about animation, I don’t care about how good the fight scenes are as long as we get some character development and not the kind where it goes away after an episode. Thomas needs to get off his high horse and give Chloe the redemption arc she deserves. I could tell from season 1 she was supposed to be redeemed and then after all the stuff came about her mother I was sure she was gonna change, but no. I’m so dissatisfied with this show right now and I really can’t hold on for much longer

Chat Noir is the fan favorite character precisely BECAUSE the fanbase is primarily female. He's cute. He's funny. He's protective. He has a tragic family backstory that makes his character development inherently interesting. Boom: fan favorite. Ladybug/Marinette is perceived as a Mary Sue and is being increasingly criticized BECAUSE the fanbase is primarily female. Her stalker-ish behavior comes off like an insulting caricature of teenage girls. Her lack of real flaws makes her unrelatable to "normal girls with a normal life," as she claims to be in the intro. Her inability to confess her feelings to Adrien denies girls the ability to vicariously romance Adrien/Chat Noir through her, and is increasingly more frustrating as the show continues. Ironically, Astruc claiming that these perspectives are sexist shows a total lack of awareness of his female audience and what they enjoy/relate to.

Adrien:- just a friend Gabriel:- just an assistant Astruc:- Just a kids show

Honestly, yes, it's really important that kids today see women being strong, just like men, but like it would make tons more sense if they were equal, since all this time they've been set up as equals, but then aren't really treated as equals.

Late to the party, but something about how season 3 came to be and what happened between 2 and 3. So current rumor has it that most of Season 1 and 2 were written and Heavily edited by a guy name Sebastien - forgot the last name - and he was a representative for jeremy Zag when he went off to handle other products like Zag Storm and Power Play and other shows. And it is Heavily implied Sebastien is the one that wrote most of Adrien/ Marinette's actual development in season 1 and 2 as well as Chloe's arc in season 2 as it was Jeremy's wish to make sure kids understand even if you are not the best person there is the ability to change - like Chloe. Sebastian wrote the character development we loved of season 1 and 2 and the character arc of the characters to have balance and the ability to grow. All of this is hearsay, but it is then implied that season 2 took FOREVER because Sebastien had to heavily edit season 2. As for 3, Thomas seemed to have more reign now. So.... i don't know. But with the dissonance in behavior toward the show and how it ended from 2 to 3, i would not be surprised if this is because of complete change of who is running the show. I am just hopeful this Sebastien guy or Jeremy pulls the show reigns back in and redirect this show. Also, i am not saying i don't understand Thomad getting made about some fans actually being rude, but what makes me mad is hos reaction to just block people. All i am saying is, i am disappointed righr now, but am hopeful for the best

“its a show for girls” okay? Then let’s talk about how poorly written marinette is

The one thing I cant stand is how they just threw out Chloe's character. Not just for how she was written, but also how the other characters treated her in the process. Marinette should damn well know Chloe is an easy target for Hawk Moth (The girl got akumatized the most in the series hands down), yet she chose to neglect and even talk her down? After trusting Chloe with the Bee Miraculous and knowing that Chloe knows how to use it, it just makes no sense from any standpoint for Marinette to kick Chloe under the rug. She just lost a good friend and a good teammate out of personal spite.

@nathanmurdoch5253

4 жыл бұрын

Alya and Mr Ramier would disagree with you on that because Chloe has only been akumatized three times while they have been akumatized four times and twenty-eight times in the series respectively and he is going to be akumatized again in the future so she's not the girl who has been akumatized the most hands down as for losing it she exposed her own identity to Hawk Moth which he used against her in Mayura so it did make sense for Chloe to lose it particularly after she willingly joined Hawk Moth and exposed the identities of Ladybug and Cat Noir's team-mates if anything she was the one who was acting out of spite.

How tf does this guy only have 500 subs

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Hector Batista I don’t know

I like how this is not a rant video but it also sums up both the controversy and the story line in a neat way that isn't offensive