The fact that Tomas assumed our problem was a girl being the leader and not a slightly crazy 14 year old with an insane crush instead of the character that the story revolves around!

@princess_azula4012

4 жыл бұрын

He didnt think that we hated her being leader he was just playing with our words and alternating them and plays victim

@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje ACTUALLY I DIDN'T Hate Her Being The Leader At First"

@RKNancy

4 жыл бұрын

Twitter mentally rewards a person for playing victim. He needs to get off that heinous platform ASAP.

@marinadiaz1762

4 жыл бұрын

I mean he was kinda right to think that. shows that have guy main charactrs dont actually got hate like this

@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje 😤😤 But After What Happened IN COPY CAT I HATE THAT THOMAS MADE A STUPID GIRL LIKE HER THE LEADER 😾😠😡😠😡😠😡😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😠😡😡😡😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😠😡😾😡😡😾"

I wish we would get a few episodes from adriens point of view. Other than ladybug , how does he feel about being chat noir? Does he like saving people? Does he get angry at his dad for shutting him in? What was his life like before his mom died?

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@alvajuascie4553

4 жыл бұрын

Right! I can barely name more than even 10 episodes alone staring him, might as well name the show just Miraculous Ladybug- it’d be so interesting to see his backstory more!

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Aesthetical Dreams where

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Aesthetical Dreams Thomas his writing is just lazy He’s an old man he supposed to be smart but he’s nothing but a mean old man

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams that's like 2 year now

and for all Thomas's rantings that it's a kids show and a show for girls- constantly having Ladybug bully Chat Noir and treat him like he's an inferior is not exactly a good message to be sending to young girls and their male peers.

@perrinasla

3 жыл бұрын

Shes not bullying him.

@arisha7524

3 жыл бұрын

Yea

@prammagunio9136

3 жыл бұрын

@@perrinasla She does, consistently. There’s an episode where both of them switched kwamis and Ladybug continuously mocks Chat Noir for not adjusting to her powers fast enough, she evens implies that he’s stupid by telling him to “use his head” whilst hitting it. Her snarky attitude was so bad to the point that Chat Noir got mad and told her to actually help him. Thomas is really starting to mess up Ladybug’s character to be too dismissive of a person, which is a shame given how great she was in S1. In a different episode, Ladybug was so distracted by her infatuation for Adrien that she dismissed Chat Noir’s help and told Adrien that “we don’t need him!” because she thought that giving Adrien the snake miraculous was more than enough. In that same episode, she laughed at a joke Adrien made but got mad at Chat Noir for making that same joke. All these instances really shows how little Ladybug actually respects Chat Noir despite saying so. She says they’re great as a team but she’s so willingly to throw that away by berating his efforts lol.

@perrinasla

3 жыл бұрын

@@prammagunio9136 She's just one of those girls who act like they don't need a certain boy at times. She just wants to act strong and not act like she needs help all the time. And I'm pretty sure that Chat noir knows that Ladybug isn't trying to bully him.

@prammagunio9136

3 жыл бұрын

@@perrinasla but in the process she ends up being mean towards Chat Noir as her actions are much more telling than her words. Chat Noir doesn’t accuse her of bullying because he’s still madly in love with her, doesn’t mean he’s not being treated like dirt lmao.

This is why I'm not on Twitter. Thomas astruc literally contradicted himself in his own tweet.it's not the fact that we his fanbase have a problem with a female lead it's actually quite the opposite. Our problem is the fact that the partnership in the title of the show is completely pushed to the wayside. The show is tired of ladybug and cat noirso one would logically assume that both of them would get somewhat equal amount of character development and screen time. However, that has been proven not to be the case. All we truly know about Adrian isn't that his father is a horrible person, his mother is in a coma /presumed dead and that he's seemingly a nice person. hell Lila and Chloe get more screen time than Adrian. And might I add that Chloe has been deemed by Thomas irredeemable and yet we get more screen time with her than with our main guy and all we want is some equality between these two characters being ladybug and cat noir. Is that too much to ask.

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

At this point I think we should just accept that Astruc is an amateur creator who stumbled onto a million dollar idea But in the words of a great man “Ideas are chepa execution is everything” and this moron AStruc can’t execute for shit

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

True

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

I um heard he doesn’t take constructive criticism well

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ashbringer36 uh, Ash, that may have been too far to accuse Astruc

@quill4813

4 жыл бұрын

He might not take constructive criticism well but he should have learned that a while ago especially given the fact that he now has a worldwide franchise. His actions really showcases immaturity and unwillingness to listen to others

I don’t understand why Thomas couldn’t have just said ‘ladybug is in charge of the team because she’s the only one who can capture the Akuma/ repair damage by Akuma’s.’ Like that makes 100% sense, technically her powers are more important.... I still agree Adrien needs more screen time tho.

@johnhayward998

4 жыл бұрын

It's just ridiculous to not give ladybug credit just ridiculous

@jessiestar4914

4 жыл бұрын

But he did? He literally said that was the reason why. It was one of the replies.

@johnhayward998

4 жыл бұрын

@@jessiestar4914 I see but I still unfair

@jessiestar4914

4 жыл бұрын

John Hayward Well, I guess it is. Thomas has his own vision I guess. He sees Chat Noir with a different purpose I believe. You’ll have to go to Twitter to double check that. He gives valuable information about what he thinks and what he thinks of Ladybug on Twitter

@alvajuascie4553

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t mind me just commenting so I can see all the replies coming up- agree 100%

I'm sorry, this is just stupid. Literally Adrien/Cat Noir is my favorite character in the show. So when I heard this I was just angry

@princezuko7789

4 жыл бұрын

He’s my favorite character too 🖤 And the only reason I watch the show is because of him.

@cheyennecedeno6867

4 жыл бұрын

@@princezuko7789 OH MY DAMN CHERRY BLOSSOMS! RIGHT ON!! Cattastic Kitty Cat Noir is my love. The ONLY reason I watch this shit show too. ADRIGAMI ALWAYS!! 🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸

@serena_jackson997

4 жыл бұрын

@@princezuko7789 Sammmee!! And also I'm waiting for that reveal

@maireannbari6694

3 жыл бұрын

Serena05 Jackson same :(

@maireannbari6694

3 жыл бұрын

The show would be so dull without him even tho LB is shown more

I just LOVE how he's manipulating feminist dialogue as a means of deflecting his bad writing and the botching of Marinette's personality onto the Miraculous fans who want more of Adrien. Phrased in manipulative statements like: "Is it so difficult to let girls lead?" Essentially, he's attempting to guilt-trip the miraculous fandom into believing that they're sexist against Marinette; In order to cover up the fact that *No-one* would want to be Lead by someone as scatterbrained and obssessed as Marinette.

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Oh boy🤦‍♀️

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

*_100% agreed Abrielle!!!_*

@MC-mt8ey

4 жыл бұрын

🗣‼️

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

4 жыл бұрын

The show is sexist to begin with and that's the problem! Equal rights! Not just Miss Ladybrat always leading.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

They let the cat out of the bag with the statements they made about Weredad. The whole "Marinette don't need no man to save her stuff"... which is fine - I have no issue with that - what I do have issue with is them mockng Cat Noir for even trying, or for being concerned for his "Friend". You know he'd do exactly the same thing regardless who was being held captive : even Chloe ! (well maybe he'd not be taking as many hits for Lila) but he spends the whole episode getting his ribs cracked by Tom and can't even stand at the end of the episode and you can see Marinette is so peeved that Tom and Sabine are giving credit to Cat Noir for saving her. She doesn't show any gratitude that Cat Noir risked his life to "Try" and save her, beaten to the ground and nearly thrown off the beanstalk, her primary reaction was annoyance at him, like "this is all his fault" when she entirely engineered the whole situation - she's the one who told Cat Noir she loved him, and yet she blames him for showing up to Brunch at all (even to let her down gently) & acts like his feelings and friendshp are an inconvenience to her - and sings and dances around the place when she thinks she's got away with dismissing Cat Noir... not contrition about it being her fault - no concern about her partners Feelings - just "That Darn cat - he's so annoying". Marinette isn't very nice sometimes - and yet we are asked to sympathise only with her, it's hardly surprising that the fandom has instead pivoted to Cat Noir. (as shown by him winning that Instagram Poll)

If you want us to want Marinette to be the lead, make her more interesting. She’s clumsy. She’s a stalker. We get it! Give her more qualities. Just look at Adrien. Despite being surrounded by so many negative influences, he’s still such an amazing person who’s not easily fooled. He’s able to stay positive and mature, in most cases, more mature than the adults in his life. More mature than any of the students. I mean just look at the season 1 finale. He handled Lila so maturely. Look at how Lady Bug handles her.

@Myles174

4 жыл бұрын

you said it sister

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

Marinette is interesting not only because of her powers but her personal life as well. Yeah I agree about Adrien but don't u think his family history will come out in the end so its just a matter of time .And she is a teenage girl who has a crush so her stalking and being clumsy is perfectly normal ,give her a break please!

@bigjenny177

3 жыл бұрын

They sjould really stop marinettes obsession over adrien i feel like its getting unhealthy and shes literally super clumsy like when she's ladybug shes lile perfect when shes marinette its like she can barely do anything right

@irlzombii

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggl3512 I don't think stalking is normal in any case. Like, what 14 year old steals their crush's phone to delete a voicemail, what 14 year old knows their crush's whole schedule, what 14 year old breaks into their crush's house and I'm not even going to start on how obsessive she is (she plays the "you cheated on me even though we aren't together" person). I doubt any of those "personality traits" are normal. All of her actions could cause her 50+ years in prison.

@ArtemisStark

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggl3512 Whenever the heck did stalking become normal?!?

I love how Thomas is acting like all the fans are misogynistic morons because we want a MAIN CHARACTER to get more screen time and development, as if he isn’t the one WHO CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO AIR EPISODES IN THE CORRECT ORDER!!!

@damienthonk1506

3 жыл бұрын

It's not Thomas' fault that episodes are aired out of order, to be 100% fair. He doesn't decide when episodes are aired, networks themselves do. l think Thomas is a bumbling idiot, but that little nugget of idiocy isn't his fault.

@kylewilson2819

3 жыл бұрын

Damien Thonk He’s the show’s creator. If I were him, I’d find a different production company if they couldn’t air the episodes in order. Or, I would simply write the episodes in order and then hand them over ONLY UNDER THE CONDITION that they be aired in the correct order. To air episodes out of order and to then get angry at fans for being confused is idiotic at best.

@udaybhanu1527

3 жыл бұрын

@@kylewilson2819 that is not his job to make sure all the episodes are in order.

@DigimonGaara

2 жыл бұрын

even in order the characters lack of development...

@kylewilson2819

2 жыл бұрын

@@udaybhanu1527 Creator: Here’s episode 1. I’ll get you guys Episode 2 next week. Network: We wanted to air episode 6 instead. Creator: Well, I don’t have it. You’ll get episode 6 after I give you episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Network: .... Problem solved

Oh yeah let's add some flaws to Master Fu regarding to Chat noir: 1. Doesn't involve Chat noir in ANYTHING 2. Syren basically. The whole thing was FREAKING MASTER FU'S FAULT. THE FAULT FOR CHAT NOIR BEING PETTY IN THAT EPISODE WAS MASTER FU BECAUSE HE WASN'T READY YET LIKE WHAT?!?!?! 3. "Ladybug. You're the best miraculous holder I've ever met" - Miracle Queen Master Fu saying to Ladybug while chat is next to stand there-

@phantomjester2858

4 жыл бұрын

exactly! who is Master Fu to say if he's ready or not? He never took the time to get to know him! he never gives Chat a chance to prove himself.

@alvajuascie4553

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more! We’ve only seen him talk to Fu with only 2-3 Chinese lessons (that we can see at least) through the show and LB sees Fu almost once every few episodes- aHh idk 🗿

@STOCKOUP

4 жыл бұрын

I always thought that Master Fu had a preference for Marinette for literally no reason

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams It's hard to blame Fu because, he can't suffer the consequences of his actions. He's lost all his memories, experiences, training, nobody knows his real name anymore, no money, no connections, he's an old man the show states can't contribute anything anymore.

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams I know you want to be positive, and direct the conversation away from fanaticism; but _they_ can blame whoever they want. A lot of this lashing out is because, no one is listening to how _they_ feel, hear the eddies, the curbs. Just let these guys have it out.

“Is it so difficult to let girls lead”? THAT’S NOT THE ISSUE AT ALL!!!!! The issue is that she isn’t the only important character on the show! I don’t care that she’s the lead or a girl! I’m a girl, but if this is how he wishes to represent girls on the show as narcissistic as the writers or as people of more importance than other characters who happen to be boys, then he’s the problem! Not the fans. The way he goes about it sounds more misogynistic to me because we’re suppose to be treated equally to boys, not better or worse. He thinks girls can’t be grown up enough to allow the spotlight to be given to someone of equal importance because we need to be praised all the damn time to make us feel better about ourselves because we’re women. In other words, were weak and not equal to men based off of his mentality. I find that more offensive. I’m fine with guys or girls leading, but why does gender have to matter? Why do girls need special treatment? Because we’re girls and we need to be coddled? I’m tired of this over excessiveness that girls need special treatment or all the spotlight instead of equality. Now THAT, that is the issue. Even Marco on SVTFOE got his own episodes. Now let me ask this, is it so difficult to let boys lead? This is a girl asking this. Besides, Adrien/cat noir is my main reason for watching this show. There is no right or wrong way to watch a show.

@guillaumegrignard7437

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you're right!

@abbysworld05

3 жыл бұрын

For me the reason why I’m watching it is because i saw a music video and saw the title and was like I wonder if that’s a real show and it was, I think the most resent at that time was lady WiFi which was good since I could get caught up

@gio4931

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is nothing but truth, unfortunately, nobody wants to hear it.

@pinkbutterr

3 жыл бұрын

YESSSS !!! LOUDER FOR THE ASTRUC AND HIS BLOCK BUTTON

@krisreaddesc366

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinkbutterr LMAOAOA BLOCK BUTTON

'I'm just watching miraculous because I'm invested' God what a mood

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

A sad one 😔😂

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

And I’m watching because of the lore stuff mostly 😅

@STOCKOUP

4 жыл бұрын

It had to be said and it was

@LL-pl2ek

4 жыл бұрын

That's me 🙂

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

That's fair, she's not even getting money off these videos anyways😙

Adrien has more personality than Marinette and her flimsy plotline.

@chloevaughn9755

3 жыл бұрын

Kari's World it’s also really annoying that she can’t keep a conversation with him,, I was so done with it at the end of s2 part 1,, like come onnn they’re friends?? And they hang out a lot so??? She should of been over that at this point,, but the writers can never let big changes hAPPEn lIkE cHloE’s character development!! Edit: also Adrian has like nO screen time,, I want to see how his POV is of his day,, like detach from Marinette for ONCE

@natal2822

3 жыл бұрын

her entire personality is being in love with adrien but adrien has so much going on his story would be more interesting

@mysterygirl4026

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@reihino9125

3 жыл бұрын

@@rezksy Lmao marinette is a damn stalker shes a yandere aswell. Y’all say adriens blind when you guys are blind yourselves

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

3 жыл бұрын

@@rezksy I don't feel ashamed. Marinette is a Stalker! I don't need to feel ashamed for a person like that. Because she's not worth it.

everyone: hey Thomas, but what about chat no- Thomas: THERE ARE EQUAL.

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

Fans: Chat Noir barely has screen t- Thimas: THEY ARE EQUAL.

@2sleepy2talk

3 жыл бұрын

@@noonebossesthegarnet2890 👌

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@2sleepy2talk You are right . Does anyone know that chat noir has more powers than ladybug .

@issakitungano3341

3 жыл бұрын

Evil Eagle 3 Ladybug has more power

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@issakitungano3341 Really?! Anyway its fine

Honestly. HONESTLY this whole thing wouldn't be a big deal if they presented him as a sidekick. MAKE IT LIKE KIM POSSIBLE AND SAY HE IS JUST THE GOOFY SIDEKICK BUT NO THEY SAID THEY ARE EQUAL EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT I HATE IT I HATE IT SO MUCH. Honestly I'm just watching miraculous for only the Adrien scenes. Nothing else.

@TinyToonStar

4 жыл бұрын

But Ron himself though had his own episodes though and still got development. What's Adrien getting? A whole lot of nothing, that's what!

@princezuko7789

4 жыл бұрын

I only watch the show because of my cinnamon roll Adrien 😔❤️

@Ashbringer36

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, if they ahd in fact gone that route I never would have gotten involved in the show I only gave it a chance and got sucked in because I was promised a power couple, which is my favourite trope in all of fiction.

@deadkatherine6942

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@shihtzuplayz1993

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh I got into this show cuz of His blindness but I'm starting to hate Adrien tbh I understand y he hated him because the more u get sucked in the more you realize how toxic he is he will never love her unless he finds out until it's Marinette who is Ladybug sorry my opinion

They are “equals” but yet Adrien doesn’t get to pick hero’s to help. Adrien didn’t get to know about master fu right away. Adrien doesn’t help solve Akuma battles, he just listens and protects ladybug. This is the problem. He should be focus more on. One of the main parts of the show is Gabriel being hawk moth. Why don’t we get to see Adrien more when his father is too busy to pay attention. Why don’t we get to see he emotional toll and pressure being a famous model has on him. Why don’t we see how he reacts to the constant affection from girls he doesn’t like besides a few grimaces. The problem isn’t that ladybug is a girl. The problem is that they are supposed to be equal. The shows official name mentioned both ladybug and cat noir but instead it’s referenced as miraculous ladybug. Everything just proves that Adrien isn’t her equal and that she gets way more benefits. Also no one seems to even realize how much he cares about ladybug. How he constantly risks his life for hers because he has faith in her. Hell even marinette thought he was joking about his crush on her when he constantly saves her life with his own. Edit: why is it always cat noir being controlled by akumas. We’ve seen him destroy an ambulance before so why not

@Shambave.N06

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh if chat noir does get akumatized, ladybug is going to end up defeating him like everyone else. The boy is replaced, ignored, and treated poorly even by lady bug. If she gets emotional he's always there yet she doesn't trust him. He gives her his everything yet its seems like she wont take it.

@tsunami3963

3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the last part is because he can't purify the akumas as opposed to Ladybug, but idk

@AAIzzie

2 жыл бұрын

@@tsunami3963 he can cataclysm the akuma tho

When Ladybug scolds Chat in almost any episode, he never does anything back, but lets say Antibug, for example, Chat said: 'why didn't you listen to Chloe, she literally told you where the Akuma is" he scolded her nicely. AND SHE IS PRESSED. she replied she wasn't going to listen to her. TF

@fckndelr

3 жыл бұрын

LITERALLY! Kinda in Miracle Queen too, When Ladybug led them to Hawkmoth getting the Miraculous box and getting Master Fu in Big danger... Cat Noir gave LB support and did not get mad at her at all. But only if the roles were switched, it would the major opposite.

@2sleepy2talk

3 жыл бұрын

@@fckndelr honestly! smh

@imnana6993

3 жыл бұрын

@@fckndelr fr it would be like in the New York special where she’s “disappointed” in him and honestly, she acts like she doesn’t make mistakes too.

@9736680532

3 жыл бұрын

@Eseme Unuavworho drops staff*

@cosplayerqueen9878

3 жыл бұрын

@Eseme Unuavworho literally. I didn't feel anything cause I was like "well it didn't really seem like you trusted him before"

Why is Marinette a better fighter than Adrian even though she doesn’t train at all she only depends on the powers of the miraculous but Adrian trains all the time and somehow he’s not better than Marinette she doesn’t do any training

@issakitungano3341

3 жыл бұрын

Merely Soto so true

@merely2official697

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@DrawingMagicBoy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! And why is she more smarter? Adrien always gets good grades and studies every night (he is studying in many episodes while Marinette is hanging out with her friends) why is he much dumber than Ladybug... it doesn't make sense

@bluestar4408

3 жыл бұрын

Two words:Mari Sue

@Linaa.bajm7

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluestar4408 and it's kinda ironic Mari Sue MARI-nette Sorry, bad pun But yeah, Ladybug is becoming that almost perfect character that you can't stand because of how unrealistic it is written and portrayed

God even AVATAR gives more screen time to others and its avatars show

@balancewod1864

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair,Avatar is one of the best shows in existence but yeah I agree

@belldec109-alex7

4 жыл бұрын

Balance WoD , I don’t like AVATAR myself cause reasons but yeah, It has more storyline than miraculous and it’s not even modern

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr?! In one ep it was entirely focused around Zuko!! And yet the name of the show is Avatar:The Last Airbender which is about the avatar, not Zuko the sad boi.

@ashebennett7726

4 жыл бұрын

And SVTFOE. And that’s Star’s show.

@ashebennett7726

4 жыл бұрын

Norahcake 21 yup and the point of that episode was to show he had redeemable qualities, but the redeemable isn’t so easily redeemed. It’s also one of the first eye openers he had about people fearing and hating the fire nation and how they deserved it. And that’s what he told his father when his final realization and anger towards his father eclipsed over his fear and respect for his father. I bet the memory of saving the boy and his village and the hatred he got anyway because of who he was was what he remembered when telling his father how they deserved to be feared and hated for 100 years of war and tyranny. That was important story plot and how they would later on restore peace and balance to the world and that depended on zuko being the one to help make that difference when he joined the Avatar to teach him and his gang. And also, they would’ve been too late to do that if not for zuko since they were going to wait until AFTER the sozin’s comet arrived. Now why can’t Adrien’s character tie into the plot for the story somehow and be given an episode or two? Adrien is a tragic character himself and deserves better than this. But we’re suppose to care more and even feel more sympathy towards a girl who has great parents (both of them which don’t abuse her), plenty of freedom, and all of the smarts and more abilities as a super heroine. But not the boy who lost his mom, gets abused by his father, is constantly neglected by his father, doesn’t have as much freedom as marinette, gets kind of abused by ladybug (she might not know its Adrien but still NO EXCUSE), gets mistreated by ladybug, and was even akumatized in an AU by his own father after being physically, mentally and emotionally manipulated/abused by his dad to become chat blanc and destroyed everyone and everything until he was left alone on a barren world. Everything that would, could and has happened to an abused, tragic boy character sounds more compelling than a girl who can do anything and everything. He’s the main character too. It’s titled Miraculous: Tales of ladybug AND cat noir. Not just ladybug.

I hope to God, Thomas TRIES to listen to constructive criticism and improve and give up this stupid ego stuff and lying about the pair being equal given the title of the Show 😔

@jtlovescodelyoko

4 жыл бұрын

I agree but also at the same time we have to remember we're just fans we can voice their opinion so much and still he is not going to listen. but even so I don't care about this drama anymore I just like the show and that's all

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

JT LovesCodeLyoko um ok😅....

@TOBCYT

2 жыл бұрын

I think there are better odds of me winning 10 lotteries in a row than this happening. But, there's always hope I guess...

Why does Adriens IQ drops by like 50 points when he turns into cat noir???? Like as adrien he’s smart and thinks about his decisions but as cat noir he doesn’t think and he’s dumbed down most likely to make ladybug look good

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Of course Mrs. perfect

@luvblueybingoheeler3150

4 жыл бұрын

Plagg? Idk.

@_lol.imagine_

4 жыл бұрын

Because Mari is a Mary Sue

@patatomonart7315

3 жыл бұрын

Adrien does not become less intelligent but in black cat he he says he can be himself in an episode and for Marinette it is the opposite she shows strong but she hiding in the costume of ladybug , we can see that easy in something épisode (I am french , so after the version english can have surely sometime have not the same text of dub, i think)

@laroyalford4596

3 жыл бұрын

Ladybug is ‘Miss Perfect’

I get it Marinette the main character but still doesn't mean they can't show some episode about Adrien. But in other shows, they focus on other characters like in she-re in one episode we focus on Bow life. Or in my hero academia, we get to know more todoroki life and that he had a sh*tty childhood. Yes I know they are different shows but they show more about the other characters than the main character. Because all we want is some episode about Adrien, and no I don't hate that girl is the main character (for these who going to say I do) but doesn't mean Adrien can't have some episode about him

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje I'd rather find out more about Milen and Ivan

@t.ccarmona8301

4 жыл бұрын

@Alicia Chiminje true

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@miraculous E That featured Gabriel and Felix more than Adrien

@_lol.imagine_

4 жыл бұрын

Hell even in shows like Euphoria, Daria and Sex Education screen time is fairly given to the other characters as well

I think this is why I like a lot of fan works more than some of the actual show's episodes at times. They cleverly write out the different characters and shift the focus equally. I wonder if my own Miraculous fanfiction suffers that same problem.

@Theveilofroses

4 жыл бұрын

I am a complete believe mlb cfanon is better than canon lmao...

@i.cs.zamodits

4 жыл бұрын

@@Theveilofroses Mlb canon is a weak copy of mlb fanon, change my mind.

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Well you have a point 😅

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

3 жыл бұрын

MlB fanfics done a better job most of the time

(Going by the the person's 2nd opinion at 10:43) So you're telling me.....that the cataclysm can destroy ANYTHING, including Miraculouses (which were said to be indestructible, according to the Queen Wasp episode), but it can't completely destroy a damn sentimonster? Just partially? Okay... Yeah, the writers downplay the black cat power like a mf, and it's so sad. I just want my boi Adrien to get more spotlight in the future seasons.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

The suits are partially invulnerable to certain magic attacks - including their own - (Otherwise Cat Noir would burn his own gloves off) - so when Sabrina smacks him in the ribs it's substantially reduced in effect - they imply he gets his ribs broken in Weredad too though.

@Aisha_Gii

4 жыл бұрын

Good point

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

If the Miraculouses are indestructible, how did the peacock miraculous break?

@90lancaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@noonebossesthegarnet2890 They can be damaged by magic - as happened when Cat Noir Cataclysme'd Bunnyx's watch or when the Possessed Queen Bee Hair Comb was desiccated, The Kwami themselves can't be killed conventionally - though they can get sick and they would be returned to their "spirit" state without a Miraculous to contain them.

@Aisha_Gii

3 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster you explained it better than I could. Thanks.

I legit LOVED the stormy weather episode where we got to be in Cat Noir's shoes for a little bit.. while having night vision... that's the closest thing we'll get to knowing more about Adrien's life I guess...

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

3 жыл бұрын

Oh and Party Crasher...Kung food....Befana...Siren and then there' Ny special and shanghai Adrien POV I think there's more..

Wait who’s Adrien?... what’s a cat noir?... Is he that guy who has a banana costume?

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Yea

@Theveilofroses

4 жыл бұрын

Little Angel I- It was a joke.

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

@@Theveilofroses ok

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

It's like the Spider-man cartoon, where the show is about Peter Parker and not- - - - -whoeversinthetitle.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

He's the guy who feeds Plagg smelly cheese, Master Fu picked him as he's wealthy enough to afford it and Picked Marinette as she lives over a bakery so can easily sneak Tikki Cookies.

Marinette is low-key abusive towards Kitty Boy too. She obsessed to unhealthy extents over Adrien's persona that he fronts with due to child abuse from his father. But feels nothing towards Chat Noir when Adrien is expressing his true personality. She regularly verbally abuses him. I can remember multiple instances of her hitting him in some way. Never necessarily maliciously, but hitting him when it is absolutely NOT NECESSARY. Whether people wanna acknowledge it as canon or not, idk. But in the movie where they travel to a different place, it's established, by Nino, that Adrien has no idea how social interaction works for the most part. Doesn't understand how friendship works. And as shown in the movie after facing consequences because he didn't tell Ladybug he was coming along on the trip out of fear of disappointing her, ends up almost killing one of the other heroes and giving her his miraculous once they're alone because of the amount of traumatic guilt. He does NOT have a healthy understanding of what disappointment should look like. He, as any child, learns disappointment and the intensity it should be in, from his parents. More specifically his dad. How has Mr. Gabriel reacted when disappointed by Adrien? He bans Adrien from going to have fun with his friends just because Adrien made tiny mistakes playing the piano He reacted aggressively after Adrien lost the book of Miraculous holders and shit, and trashed one of the rooms, followed by akumatizing himself, all to make Adrien feel guilty. He reacts with excessive aggression when Adrien tells him he'd be fine with the servant woman being his new mother figure if she makes him happy. He EMOTIONALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY MANIPULATES ADRIEN TO TRIGGER A PANIC ATTACK, IN ORDER TO TURN HIM INTO CHAT BLANC. All instances where Adrien has faced disappointment from his dad have been over the top. Aggressive. Included gaslighting tactics. Included tactics of emotional and psychological manipulation. All under the guise of "punishment" or "proper discipline". He accidentally disappointed Ladybug. She, in the heat of the moment, and rightfully to some extent, considering her position, told him she can't trust him anymore. He panics. He thinks their friendship is done for. That he can't mend it anymore. That all hope is lost. So he gives away his miraculous and runs off in (likely) a subconscious attempt of avoiding any yelling from her part. Before the consequences even happen, the only reason he doesn't tell her Chat is coming on the mission, is because of his severely warped understanding of what punishments he would've received. Despite the fact him coming along wouldn't have justified any kind of punishment, and if Lady had reacted with punishment, she would've been even further of a massive jackass. God. It's not fair at all how little love he receives. He would make a much more intriguing main character in my opinion. And far more likeable. If his potential was actually taken advantage of more.

@TheVirtualCelebrity

3 жыл бұрын

SPEAK THE TRUUUUTH!!!

and the fact that chat noir is usually kidnapped, possessed by a villain, taken captive or hypnotized and ladybug has to save the day herself, and save chat noir is just so despicable. i can name so many episodes where this happens. and the fact that people only care to find out ladybug’s identity. hawkmoth seems like the only person who cares about chat noir’s identity

She is right and the show might lose ratings cause he disagrees to give adrian the spotlight for a second

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

I recall he was asked once if Adrien could ever be the focus of an episode (all to himself) -like a day in the life episode or him being the point of view the whole way through - and he said No - every episodes lady bug has to save the day and be the focus of at least 50% of the episode. They also ruled out having an (no recap) episode where the Akuma fight was just a throw away one like Stormyweather 2 or The Magician we didn't really see.. so they could get that out of the way and have the rest of the episode be about something else entirely - like say building up Alix's character so we can see why she deserves to be a hero in her own right. I'd love to see a whole episode about Tom and Sabine or Alix... but it's annoying to know they are so wedded on their format we will never get it - even though it would be super useful to know how Tom & Sabine see the other characters or how Alix sees the rest of her class as an outsider perspective on The whole Adrien and Marinette angst. Other shows have done this and it usually works really well - The best we might get if they are feeling like not sucking is some of the Agreste / Miraculous back story "maybe" and last I heard they'd shoved that onto it being published as a short story or a comic.

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

I think fans are the reason why he hates Adrien. I would too if everyone kept on telling me how to manage my own cartoon. It's his right to do what he wants. The only thing u can do is give your opinion.

@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggl3512 Maybe one day you'll understand your wrong.

@anishaganguly1440

3 жыл бұрын

@@ggl3512 Well I guess Thomas needs to learn that if it weren't for Adrien/CN, his show would have been in the garbage across my road. Why? Because around 50% of the fandom came sticked with the show because of the complexity sounding Adrien. Nobody wants to see this perfect lil character with a perfect lil life who is all-powered, is loved by all except the meanies and top most completely unrelatable to be the sole focus of the show. Adrien is the centre of the story, as the show's whole theme directly affects him. Remove Mari and put another girl in her place. Does the situation change? No. Thomas needs to see his own writing and understand why we want Adrien more.

This show goes about feminism the wrong way. They make look woman more cool and smart by degrading men. And as a Man that really annoys me. They make a her Mary Sue. Even when she’s not ladybug she’s not normal at all! Her parents own the best bakery in Paris, she knows Jagged Stone and Gabriel and Adrien Agreste personally, she made a hat that Adrien then modeled, Almost every boy in her class has had a crush on her, oh yeah, and she’s Ladybug. Thomas is forgetting to show and not tell. You own a show Thomas, its in the name. SHOW not tell. Like you said every one of this show’s plot points are related to ADRIEN, not MARINETTE. Thomas, when your audience knows little to nothing about one of your main characters by ep 4 of *SEASON 4* that may mean you need to re evaluate.

@TheVirtualCelebrity

3 жыл бұрын

PREACH!!! 😤

@DayanaRockStar122

3 жыл бұрын

Well said! 👏

@emmamihalaky8337

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

He doesn’t now how to run his own show very well 😒

@jtlovescodelyoko

4 жыл бұрын

And that's so sad because knowing his reputation he should be better than this

@elongatedmanforever1252

3 жыл бұрын

That's what it looks like.

@edwardelric2905

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like I coulda made this show better than Thomas Astruc and I'm hella younger than he is lmao

@elongatedmanforever1252

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelric2905 So am I & I could've done better.

@edwardelric2905

3 жыл бұрын

@@elongatedmanforever1252 k

Adrian is in big part the lore of the show, they literally don't know how to use him because anything he'll do will affect the plot, put him 5 minutes to explore the house and he probably find out Hawkmoth and Mayura Identities, I'm going to a point were if they could say Gorilla is a actual Gorilla and Adrian is the first person to discover, I be happy just because he do something Also the fact most people inside the show normally treat him as a object or a child or plainly dumb (seems familiar) don't tell me they're Equals because I don't see Marinette/Ladybug being treated like that (sorry for the rant)

@cheyennecedeno6867

4 жыл бұрын

STOCK. . . Wish I could hug you. Clumsinette is scatterbrained and obessive at her BEST At WORST she's a Mary-Sue 70% out of 100%. Adrien poor Cattastic Kitty Cat Noir DOESN'T have to be leader. He just needs SOME episodes focused solo on him on occasion. ADRIGAMI ALWAYS!! 🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸😻😻😻😻

@STOCKOUP

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheyennecedeno6867 *psychological hug* Marinette is just annoying because they need new reactions from her but is hard because she can't be wrong or out of the screen for 5 minutes (and she is somewhat vanilla because basic Anime girl protagonist) And Adrian indeed doesn't want to be a leader and being a Superhero for him is fun so probably doesn't want it either

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

I think More of Adrien will be shown at the end of the show and the only reason they don't show him a lot is because of his dad

Being Adrien is suffering.

Personally, I really wished Adrien got some form of development. He's plastered as this perfect,caring,kind, and genuine person. However I feel he never really gets anything seriously dealt with, like here and there we see him struggle with the relationship with his dad and going out to hang out with friends. Honestly, I would've like his celebrity life to be a challenge as well!! Sadly, we never focus on this at all, not even a simple episode focusing on his daily life without someone from the main crew or in general Marinette barging in. Show us what being a local celebrity is like!! Show us his struggles a bit more, bring another character into the mix that beings out Adrien's struggle! At this point anything would suffice. P.S. I don't hate Marinette, but I feel like a restraining order would be signed by Gabriel if he found out the things she's done to try and get close to Adrien. He hass already teamed with Lila, so legal action probably isn't in his right mind.

@katiaazizi

4 жыл бұрын

I agree I would like to see that too.

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

Adrien is a model and we have never seen a proper photoshoot ONCE (just his instagram stuff in front of a fountain they put on his social media - not the stuff we see in the Magazines Marinette has) as they didn't budget to give him that. just that little bit of Catwalk in style queen is all we really got. I still don't know if Nino is still banned from the Agreste mansion or if Alya and Adrien are even friends at all.

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster There's an implied connection between Adrien & Alya, but it is never explored. You would think, they would atleast post several interviews on a fake _Ladyblog_ since Adrien has been the target of several Akuma victims, more than Chloé actually. For a boy who is always busy, he's never to busy to drop everything and slip into Chat Noir; the worst you see are Stormy Weather 1, and Refelctdoll; which barely impeded him.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

@@russellarcher5181 Yes not only that - but Nino is supposed to be Adrien's Best buddy and yet - he for all we know may still be banned from his house. & Said best friend is dating said Alya - who he barely says a word to - and some of what she sometimes says to him is blaming him for whatever Marinette's latest failed confession is. When she must hear Nino say he's worried about him - how he's treated, if he's eating enough, getting enough sleep - did it ever occur to Alya that maybe she should encourage Marinette to pack it in as she's stressing herself, annoying her Boyfriend with threats about not spilling anything. & they all have better things to do with their time like homework or sleeping. Marinette is staying up all night to make Adrien's birthday gifs for the 2030's and beyond - it's not healthy. Encouraging her to do it so often isn't helpful - and does she even ask Nino if she thinks Marinette is wasting her time - Nino might know Adrien has a "work friend he's got a crush on" and tell Alya and Alya might tell Marinette to pack it in and leave the poor boy alone - but she doesn't seem to consider his feelings in this at all . She doesn't even seem to have an excuse like "Sunshine is lonely - he needs someone to take care of him - and who better to feed him, love and Croisants than marinette".... Nope I don't think she thinks of him as human at all - just a prize to be won. Heck the only girl who might even be capable of seeing Adrien as more than an idol is Alix - and Alix and Adrien are not at all close (yet).

Adrien has so much potential His dad is the literal VILLIAN of the show His mother is in a coma He is abused and neglected He is just as important as ladybug Why can't people get it through their thick heads, it's not about gender, it's not about misogyny, it's about wanting a fully developed character

Hey thomas blocked me for sharing my opinion and I was not rude or swerd so yeah he doesn't like to listen to anyone else's opinion

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry that happened 😔

@okarym

4 жыл бұрын

You're too good to be following a man child like Thomas anyways.

@greenrangeralex

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams still no need to block

@greenrangeralex

4 жыл бұрын

@@gracekim25 thanx

@greenrangeralex

4 жыл бұрын

@@okarym 💚💚💚💚💚💚

It's not like Adrien isn't capable. In Miracle queen, Ladybug is hurt and distracted and Chat can see that. So that episode, Chat Noir ends up thinking of the plan and defeating the akuma, all by himself, YET THE FOCUS IS STILL ON MARINETTE! He can be responsible, take charge and defeat the akuma, yet the show chooses not to let him. He isn't irresponsible or silly or foolish, he is normally just trying to have fun and lighten the mood, but he knows when to stop messing around and take the job seriously. Thomas made the point that a girl has to be the leader, and he is sticking to this STUPID argument, weather it makes sense in the situation or not! Trust me, I love girls being the leader, I'm a huge feminist, and I love girl power, but the reason I love it so much is because it supports gender equality. However you can't make one person seem more superior than someone else and say is because they are a girl and girls deserve to be leaders. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!!

@princezuko7789

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Both girls and boys can be great leaders. Not just boys and not just girls

@erikaaponte7905

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes people are just dumb

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

Clumsy and irresponsible people can lead too. Marinette is very responsible and caring and the only reason she gets clumsy is because of Adrien. Plus they are equal don't tell me they have never focused on Adrien , they have shown us his side multiple times. He has the power of destroy and she has the power to create, that's perfect.

@issakitungano3341

3 жыл бұрын

Evil Eagle 3 ladybug his the power to Store everything got nothing to do with creation

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@issakitungano3341 Sorry but you should do some research. The ladybug Miraculous grants the power of creation. Ladybugs are symbolic of good luck. This manifests as the object creating the lucky charm. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH CREATION

If this was how Astruc really wanted the story to be like from the beginning, he should’ve just called the show The Miraculous Tales of Ladybug. You can’t have a character’s name in the title of the show and not give him equal importance to the other character. 😑 he’s doing his own character a great disservice. Also, I really liked your point on Chat Noir being the one who should have the power to destroy the akuma. It makes so much sense!

I’m a girl and I’m a feminist I feel that woman should be EQUAL to men , but in miraculous Marinette isn’t only not equal to Chat Noir it’s always showed that she doesn’t need him around AT ALL . Then Thomas just says they are equal If they were equal Chat Noir wouldn’t have gotten sacrificed in multiple episodes only to have Marinette easily beat the Akuma as if it was NOTHING!!! Whenever they need to show how strong Ladybug is they just take Chat Noir out of the picture,they don’t even need to try sometimes and it is really frustrating , she saves the day and wins , but I can GUARANTEE you that if Ladybug were akumatised or hit by an Akuma Bunnix would probably come with past or future Ladybug just because of how useless Chat Noir is portrayed to be in this show. Marinette is not only the Leader , she is Guardian herself which means Chat Noir is somehow even less equal to her but the main problem I have is it’s this is I KNOW that Marinette is gonna keep so many secrets from Adrien and keep him in the dark even more which is what he hates. Marinette must be really poorly written if every-time you try and make her seem smart and strong you have to dumb down other characters Like Chat Noir , Hawkmoth and evening the Akumatised villain and other superheroes.... If you made it obvious from the start that Adrien is just comic relief and her “sidekick” who will forever be left in the dark then it would be fine if she didn’t need him , But you repeatedly say their equal and instead of actually showing us that you just say it Actions speak louder than words Thomas I’ll only start believing when you give me proof that she needs him, he’s more than just comic relief and that you aren’t Marinette biased

The Moral of every love square ship if it became canon: The Moral of Adrienette: Don’t give up! The Moral of Ladrien: True love really does exist. The Moral of Marichat: The best relationships come from where you least expect it. The Moral of Ladynoir: You can treat a boy like trash and they’ll still love you. If they don’t, then they it wasn’t true love.

@TheVirtualCelebrity

3 жыл бұрын

That last one tho 🤣🤣🤣

@CarlaJageryearsago

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry the last one- i know it was supposed to be sad but it's too funny--

@xxcalamityglitchxx3242

3 жыл бұрын

@@CarlaJageryearsago I was kinda trying to make it funny

@CarlaJageryearsago

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxcalamityglitchxx3242 GREAT BC YOU NEVER FAILED TO MAKE ME LAUGH XD

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

3 жыл бұрын

Nice

Feminists Don't Want Dominance Over The Men. They Want Equality. It's Not Fair That People Make The Men The Leader, But It's Not Fair That They Make *Women* The Leader Either. I Wish Thomas Would Make Ladybug And Chat Noir Equals. And The Title Could Just Be: : "Miraculous Tales Of Ladybug And Chat Noir." Instead Of Just Giving Ladybug The Spotlight. LET MY BOI HAVE SOME SPOTLIGHT!! Also I Realized That All The Miraculous Are Meant For Good Right? I Don't Understand How Ladybug Can De-Evilize An Akuma Which Was Originally Meant For Good??? *Sorry This Is So Long ;w;*

@jtlovescodelyoko

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas unfortunately believes like a lot of people in the media World in that the term of feminism means that women are better than Men And not the right viewpoint of it which is equality no matter what race, gender and or sexuality.

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

JT LovesCodeLyoko Oh dear the actual meaning has been lost to the Internet 🤦‍♀️ like that isn’t the meaning at all

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have any problem with her being the brains of the plans, I do have a problem with her physically hitting him (and only sometimes acting contrite Or that later she does it on purpose - not accidentally like in season one). That she can only win an argument by striking him - for me means she already lost it. He's so darn supportive of her and she treats Cat Noir pretty darn poorly... It's like on some level she knows he's genuinely in love with her - and is abusing the heck out of that knowledge. The show also rarely says why Marinette likes Adrien - and when it does it uses words like "Perfect" "Hot Stuff" & "dreamy" so basically treating him like a sex object (she even plucks his hair out and puts it in her purse), where as Adrien does think Ladybug is attractive - he more often goes on about her virtues, like her bravery, her intelligence, diligence as Ladybug and so on. It's like Marinette is stalking a teen model and Adrien is in love with someone best characteristics - one is seeing the surface and nothing else the other is seeing the best side of them that they deny even having. Basically Adrien sees Ladybug not that unlike how Tikki sees her - he admires and supports her - where as How does Marinette or Lady bug Support Adrien or Cat Noir... she made him a scarf and brought him some homework notes - and she only did that to make herself look good. Alya or Nino would have done the exact same thing only without the drama. Marinette diminishes Cat Noir and is infrequently nice to him - just enough to confuse him perhaps. Nothing Adrien could find out about Marinette is likely to make him love ladybug less - he'd be ecstatic. Where as Marinette would just be annoyed with herself that she had her "crush" in her grasp and denied him over and over.it would be all about her... not about how she made her supposed friend (either persona) feel like trash for months.... she'd likely not even notice she'd done it. She idolises Adrien and knows his schedule inside and out - and yet doesn't see him, she complains about Cat Noir not seeing the goofy Marinette - I think he does see the goofy Marinette in Ladybug he saw her in Stoneheart, he saw her being an absolute cow to Chloe on multiple occasions and - he still lover her despite her flaws - how is adding a bit of clumsyness to her many personality issues as Ladybug - not seeing her worst side - it is only because she doesn't even notice she has flaws as Ladybug - or she doesn't seem to think Cat Noir would have an opinion on them - and if he does - she tells him to shut up about it. She just gives me the impression that she barely even thinks about Cat Noir a second thought outside of Akuma fights. Where as Adrien has plenty of brainspace for Marinette and Ladybug.

@doinganerin5871

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster I Agree With You. Marinette Doesn't Have Any *Real* Reason To Be In *Love* With Adrien, Its Just A Crazy Crush Or Obsession. Whereas Adrien And/Or Chat Noir Does, Throughout The Entire Show It's Been Proven That: Marinette Is Just Obsessed With The *Idea* Of Adrien ( My Opinion ). And Doesn't Take A Minute To Think About What Being In A Relationship With Him Would Be Like. Whilst Adrien Is *Clearly* In Love With Ladybug. And Has Given His Reasons Why In Multiple Episodes. And While We're At It, I'm Gonna Mention This: I Don't Think Marinette Deserves To Be Ladybug Or Have *Any* Miraculous At All ! She Steals Phones, She Stalks People, And Most Importantly. She Uses Her Powers To Her Own Personal Advantage. For Example: She Uses It To Call Out Someone Who Is A Possible Threat To Her Obsession With Adrien. And Has Used It To Sneak Into Adrien's House On Multiple Occasions. And There You Have It. *My Mini Rant.*

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

@@doinganerin5871 At this point the show is just fodder for people to make better fanfiction out of really... so all the show is doing is adding character or abilities for people to write about - only without LB dehumanising Cat Noir.... as you know in Fanfiction she considers him a Friend - and getting that much out of her in Glaciator was a challenge enough.

I just love how everyone treat him like a sidekick in the show while the man is a literal GOD in the fandom

6:30 Btw the episode was Pharaoh (season 1) Chat noir: "Why do I have to deal with these freaks (the mummies) while you take of pharaoh?" Or something similar 😅 Ladybug: "Because I'm the only one who can capture the akuma and etc."

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! She also lied and said because he was the bravest of the 2 of them and when she said Chat said "I know you don't really mean that, but I'll pretend you do" 😅😂

@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheVirtualCelebrity ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO PUNCH THOMAS ASTRUC IN THE FACE😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾?"

It’s time for a long af hot take Miraculous will never be the show it is capable of being for many reasons. Personally I’ve come to terms with this though it sucks. The reason Adrien doesn’t get a large amount of screen time is because the show is aimed towards young girls. That is an important fact that most choose to ignore. The premise of miraculous is that your average girl who has boy problems and quirks can be a hero to. I mean thhe theme song starts with “I’m just a normal girl with a normal life.” Marinette is a overly exaggerated character for the sake of speaking to children. Her antics are suppose to be funny to young kids.and and fit an anime trope that the creator likes. The thing is she was created by a man so the potential she has to portray a strong feminist message is immediately diminished by ten fold. The simple fact of the matter is that Thomas can not drive a story regarding feminism because he isn’t a girl. He can’t relate as well to young girls based off personal experiences and most attempts end up rather misogynistic. Please note I am not trying to group all men together or seem transphobic... just does Thomas really give off a feminist icon vibe? Marinette manages to be girly but badass which is awesome but they make her crush obsessive. Add that to the fact they took her well rounded characteristics and chiseled it down to adrienadrienadrienadrienadrien to make her more comical for the young girl audience she has been robbed of true potential. It’s not just an Adrien is being neglected issue but that Marinette is being demolished by poor writing and indirect misogyny. It isn’t the mistreatment of Adrien being a boy that makes him ignored but the fact the main female character is being misrepresented. The way they depict her is insulting to young women And the intelligence of the children the show is aimed towards. To add insult to injury the majority of the fan base are teenage to young adult women who hate n her for no good reason other than they thirst over Adrien and see her as a direct obstacle to his screen time. One hating a fictional character is stupid, two the reason you essentially hate her is directly related to misogyny. How the cycle goes... But to finally talk about Adrien it goes along the same lines that the show is SUPPOSED to be for female empowerment and it is only natural the male love interest is simply a male love interest. The issue is they want Adrien to be more than that but still in his bubble. They give him all this back story and potential but ignore it because the show really doesn’t know what it’s doing with itself at this point. Female empowerment? Misogyny? One man character? Two? How I figure it there are the writers on the team who want the story to live up to what it can be and those who don’t care. Clearly some episodes that themselves seriously thus Marinette actually having characteristics other than boy crazy and Adrien actually existing. Then there are those who underestimate the intelligence of the viewers and dumb everything down so Marinette is pathetic and Adrien is as rare to spot as Gabriel’s sense of parental obligation What I’m trying to say... Show could have been good... but chief this ain’t it. It needs some good old correctly depicted healthy feminism some devoted writers and its maybe... maybe... it could be what it has promised itself to be... And now I’m ready to have a bunch of arguments in the comments but I probably won’t have the energy to reply to…

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

But... when she does things that are technically illegal that’s not funny😅 still view it as a teenage show

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Oh

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Ok you have a point although I still don’t see this as a children show

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

While I feel for your position, I think you forgot an important structural ascetic the Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Chat Noir has, _(forgive my Canadian culture)_ Marinette is in High School! Look at Power Rangers, those High Schools are unrealistic: everyone has cars, you hangout with your friends in the hallways all day, everyone gets along, there's dirty bike courses in the backyard; High Schools are depicted as fantastical, amazing places, to attract younger viewers. It's why new Powerpuff girls is set in High School; early Star/RWBY, DC Superhero Girls, Final Fantasy 8; the problem with setting your story in High School, is there is an expectation for relationships to be more complicated. What they present with Adrien×Marinette is, very simplistic; like something you'd see on a school playground.

@aprilvaiarella435

4 жыл бұрын

This isn't meant as an argument, just my take on it. I think the reason the audience doesn't like Marinette has less to do with misogyny and more to do with the fact that she is an over exaggerated ideal of what a man thinks is female empowerment. Really, she comes off as smug, self righteous, egotistical and the stalking thing is creepy, which are all massive turn offs. The result is that her perfect life and lack of realistic consequences for negative behaviors makes it impossible for real girls to sympathize with her. If you want people to like your characters your audience needs to be able to sympathize with them above all else. If you sympathize with a character then you will root for them to succeed, you feel bad for them when they fail and are excited when they overcome difficulty to finally achieve their goal. Marinette is always guaranteed a flawless victory. Adrien and Chloe are not. If the audience was really misogynistic like you are implying here and like astruc implied in his tweets, then they wouldn't be asking for a better redemption arc for Chloe or decrying her crappy treatment in the finale. But those girls like Chloe, they are rooting for her. People love underdogs and redemption stories, because it gives them hope for themselves. It makes them think "If I also try my best, I can make it too." because they all know they aren't perfect. That the real world won't just hand them all the fame and glory and achievements. The audience is meant to superimpose themselves onto Marinette, but instead they are superimposing themselves onto Adrien and Chloe. The two characters who are the most repressed by their families expectations of them, something all teenagers feel is happening to them at some point. They can't relate to being talented at everything and always having the right thing to say and being seen and loved by everyone or having parents who never fight with them, but they can relate to seemingly oppressive expectations for their actions, both socially and from their families. They can relate to getting frustrated when things don't go their way and saying or doing something hurtful when they lash out and getting in trouble for it. They can relate to feeling lonely or ostracized or misunderstood. They aren't mad at Marinette because she is taking their fictional boyfriend, they are mad at her for getting in the way of the character they empathize with succeeding. She takes away his chance to shine and in doing so is taking away their chance to shine. Every time she belittles or mistreats him, she is belittling and mistreating them. Every time she lies to him about being equal partners, she is manipulating and lying to the audience. Every time she disregards his feelings, she is disregarding theirs. Female "empowerment" at the expense of male agency is misandrist. Chat Noir's agency is stripped away to empower ladybug. Even in situations where logically he should be the one to beat the monster of the week, he is artificially made useless, so that Marinette can be the one to save the day. It breaks logic and reason and frustrates the audience. Also, "it's for kids" is only a phrase used by bad writers to excuse their hack storytelling. Sofia the First has better writing and that actually is for little kids. This show, no matter what way you spin it, is for an age group that needs, deserves and are capable of handling much better writing. I'd say it's target demographic is the same as Avatar: the Last Airbender's was, a show that dealt with genocide and war and child abuse in ways that kids could grasp but wasn't condescending. I can list of a bunch of shows for kids that handle themselves much more respectfully and have strong female characters that don't have to tear down the male characters, both as supporting and/or lead roles. Amphibia, Owl House, Ducktales reboot, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, Avatar: the Last Airbender. And that's just some of the western stuff off the top of my head, Anime is a whole 'nother monster. If those shows could do it, then so could Miraculous: the Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir. (I was going to put MLP:FiM on the list, but then I remembered that Shining Armor is a thing and had to remove it. That's a box of misandry that does not need opening. They did him just as dirty as Chat Noir. Maybe dirtier. But aside from that it does have great female characterization that acknowledges their flaws as flaws with believable consequences. At least, most of the time in the early seasons, before it went to shit.)

Here are my opinions that no one wanted and needed in order because I feel like ranting: 1. Doesn't Thomas realize he conflicted himself in the tweet where he says that Ladybug isn't the superior or chief of Cat Noir? He tells in the tweet that LB and Chat are equal and LB isn't the superior of Chat, BUT THEN proceeds to say Ladybug is the leader of the duo? Doesn't that mean LB is the chief and boss of Cat Noir (and the whole superhero team)?? 2. I didn't like Master Fu and didn't care when he loss his memories (I have the theory of him not losing his memories afterall, but that's for another time). Why? He knew Adrien/Chat had a neglectful father and a house he can't even call a home, yet he focused more on Marinette when she had ALL the support she can have (friends, parents, Tikki, Cat Noir). Like, give Adrien some lessons and guidance. 3. Ladybug DOES care about Cat Noir and thinks she's nothing without him. BUT, at the same time, the writers make her look like she's downgrading Chat. I won't say no more, because if you're watching the show, you already know a bunch of episodes support my opinions. 4. EVERY SINGLE TIME Cat Noir has the chance to shine, LB take the spotlight! For example, the miracle book, the first time cataclysm-ing a sentimonster, Party Crasher. I can actually say the same to every character except Marinette/Ladybug. 5. They made Plagg dumb in Volpina intentionally. Yes, Plagg is careless and lazy, but WOULD HE MISS SOMETHING THAT BIG IN THE VAULT. The peacock miraculous and the Miracle Book is already there, BESIDE HIM, yet they made him so selfish and careless. 6. Where is the intelligence of Adrien whenever he's Cat Noir?? It's like, "Poof! I'm a cat now, goodbye intelligence". I get Chat chooses to be the cheeky, careless cat he is, but intelligence can't just disappear. They made him look so dumb and the smart part of his character is wasted. 7. (Not related to the video) How did Master Fu transform so easily in The Battle of the Miraculous?

I’m so glad that I don’t use Twitter.

@mohammadmurie

4 жыл бұрын

Same here

@jtlovescodelyoko

4 жыл бұрын

Same here I'm glad I'm not on it anymore

@mohammadmurie

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtlovescodelyoko I never had one, I am glad you see the light

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

I never had it, too young lol and I am probably never gonna get it.

@fizzydizzystudios4768

4 жыл бұрын

Aesthetical Dreams Yep, that’s why I don’t use it.

I think he does. When they first wrote the show, they had Félix. They scrapped him for Adrien then decide to reuse Félix and in the 30 mins of the episode they already had a more compelling character than Adrien, who we have almost zero idea how he thinks. Marinette thinks convolutedly. Adrien? What would he do if someone confessed their love? Their hatred? What the heck does he do?

At the ending of the day, I never understand why the creator and writers of the show made the main villain of the show as Adrien’s father, and even make Gabriel’s main reason to why he does what he does also having a relation to Adrien’s mother…..and yet, they find no reason to focus on Adrien??? Like, what?!?

I honestly think everyone needs to tone it back. Yes, I agree that Ladybug is leader and should be the leader, not because she's a girl but because she puts more thought into her actions then anyone else, but I don't agree that just because Ladybug is the leader Adrien shouldn't get any attention. All I wish is that Thomas would explain why Adrien hasn't gotten more development and or if he will.

Is it weird for me to say I absolutely love you and this video? Because I do😂I kept clapping because I agree so much. That remark from Thomas about "Why is it so hard to let a girl lead?!" just makes me *so mad* because I absolutely love girl leaders, Rapunzel, Katniss Everdeen, Star Butterfly, Kim Possible, and many more, but I love the male characters just as much, because they really are equal, or at least much closer than Marinette and Adrien are.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

I used to watch shows with a girl lead all the time - because they were good shows... Though that is one of the reasons why there is so many girl lead shows as supposedly more males will watch a girl lead show than females will watch a male lead show (for cartoons at least - according to Disney). Even some male lead shows end up being about the female side characters more than the leads - like MOTU 20XX was about Evil Lynn and Teela more than it ever was about Skeletor or He Man.

That Tomas every day surprises me more, first he spoils the redemption of Chloe, saying that mean people do not deserve a miraculous when Marinette stalks Adrien, she was talking Bad about Kagami and is mega narcissistic when she's Lady Noir (Adrien has a reason to be like that, because of how strict his father is, But Marinette? she has no reason to be that way, besides she was very rude to Mrbug). I cannot empathize with Marinette for being like this and for being perfect, the series tries to make her make mistakes but let's face it, they do it wrong, so much so that it could be said that it repairs everything and leaves no consequences.

I’m not trying to be rude or anything. But I hate marinettes character. Her crush can’t even be played off as normal anymore, It’s just pure stalkerish. She also uses her powers for her own benefits. Almost destroyed the world that way! But chat? He has done nothing that we’ve known. I honestly think Marinette is a Mary Sue. And If I had someone like Chatnoir who was so fascinated in me I’d actually appreciate it instead of thinking of hes annoying like Marinette.

@jiluev

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY SHE DOESNT APPRECIATE CAT NOIR AT ALLLLL. and she’ll break into andrien’s house and the show will play it off as normal.

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

It's not your show the owners will do what they want and if your so tired of seeing Marinette don't watch miraculous simple

@ggl3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@jiluev She does a lot but u don't see it. She always says "Thanks kitty " and if she doesn't say it her body language says it for her . Please stop making a big deal out of a small matter!

@jiluev

3 жыл бұрын

Evil Eagle 3 you’re the one making it into a big deal😺. I never said i was tired of marinette. Im just saying breaking into people’s houses is weird, i mean is it not?

@jiluev

3 жыл бұрын

Evil Eagle 3 and how is saying “thanks kitty” appreciating? Actions speak louder than words luv💔

thomas shiz: MIRACULOUS ADVENTURES OF LADYBUG!! and cat noir.

@krisreaddesc366

3 жыл бұрын

Thomas: MIRACULOUS LADYBUG! ...and that other dude.

@vilmavenla

11 ай бұрын

Miraculous ladybug and funny cute cat guy

Honestly Thomas is one of the problems that the show has. He hates Chloe and Adrien and prefers to have a crazy 15 year old stalker as a main protagonist exept of a world wide popular model who lives in the same hause as the villains of the show with dady and mommy isues who has an interesting story about trying to be more social after getting abused by his father.

On a seperate note, can we talk about how they fucked up Chloe’s character arc and just rewrote her entire character development to just be evil again

I want to say a little piece about the whole Twitter issue: As someone that has to deal with people over chats, that was NOT HANDLED IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY!!! Yes, I know there can be people that are demanding and can be trollish. But when you are answering to fans that seem to have a genuine question, you need to understand the context of that question. Maybe he didn't understand it, but that whole "Why can't people like Female leads?" comment was not the issue and just came out of nowhere! If I missed something, and I usually do as I avoid Twitter for said reasons, then fine. But still, this comment infuriates the writer in me. For any other good story, your leads need - be it that they are an actual lead along with another or a romatic one - context about them and who they are as people. Even more importantly, for romance, as we should know, WHY they work together as a couple in the first place. From a writing standpoint, I personally think Fu should have been more incorporated or better yet, not in the show at all. I feel like there could have been some better storylines if they wanted to solely focus on Marinette being the leader and not being chosen by some grandmaster, but that fate decided for them. Or better yet, have someone actually train them together to make their sense of teamwork stronger. This show needs to SHOW us the reasons they work without us having to fill in the blanks, and not tell it to us. Granted, I am still very invested in the show, and I do want to see how it ends. But I am going to be honest and say this: I am going to be a bit more critical of the show and not fall head over heels when the episodes come out and check to see if there is more or if we are still getting the same stuff as before. Personally, I have gotten more interested in the ghost show that Jemery has been promoting like heck on his Instagram. So hopefully, there is more to come out of the studio, at least.

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit concerned that Andy has a lot of the same personality issues Marinette has - (at her worst) only that is the default setting for him. It's one thing to show your character has flaws but is still capable- but to make them a jerk sue then have his two "side kicks" act like they wish he'd not act so irresponsibly isn't at all appealing to me. It's like saying Chloe should be the hero of Miraculous and not expecting her to have any character growth at all... just continue to be a jerk to people and only do the heroics for the plaudits and their ego, now I don't actually mind the side kicks as much but - I'm really unsure about Ghostforce if it's another show where the Protagonist is to often selfish and purposefully a jerk to people to be seen as easily heroic. Heck he comes across like a bully in that clip they released. I just hope the show has more to it that I've seen so far.

@Wolfheartgal

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster Fair point. For all we know, it could be that he is still a jerk and just a mean person that just happened to be a hero. But honestly, I am still willing to give it a shot. As, while I am losing patience with Thomas, at least with Jeremy, I feel he does want to make shows that tell good stories and want to show that people can change - as there is a rumor going around it was Jemery's idea for Chloe to have her redemption arc. Rumor yes, but honestly, the passion that Jeremy has for his shows is enough, for now, to be hopeful that something good will come from it. But you're right. It is too soon to tell for sure.

@annieandelsieofarendelle3294

2 жыл бұрын

It would be more interesting if somehow the miraculous were scattered and it was the job of Ladybug and Chat Noir to find them all before Hawk Moth creating tension as they build up their team of superheroes while he builds a team of supervillains.

I wish we could see a different reaction from Marinette in Chat Blanc, I know she has to be brave and that but her partner was akumatized! I think she should be more worried about Chat. Also, that´s why I don´t like very much Marinette and Ladybug (the same person) because of the way they treat Chat and the wrong things she do but they said it´s okay. I wish we could see more of Adrien/ Chat Noir in further episodes but, the way Astruc talks, I don´t think we would see it :c

@ragooable

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

Great,Thomas is one of those entitled creators.

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Yea

@xoxlillikittyxox1846

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club Thomas. Go stand by Butch Hartman over there.

Can we point out that if Adrien is a sentimonster most problems in the show could be resolved: -explains how his mom got sick -explains why he’s so oblivious -explains why everyone calls him “perfect” (he was designed to be perfect) -explains why he didn’t die when he got cataclysmed -explains why more episodes could be like ‘chat blanc’ -it would resolve how the show could progress in two seasons Also, there is SO much evidence supporting the ‘Adrien is a sentimonster theroy’ (I’ll give you a few pieces of evidence) -he allergic to feathers -described as perfect (ladybug sentimonster was called perfect by chat) -he didn’t die when he got cataclysmed, like reflekdoll -see the ladybug encard -there’s a lot more but I can’t explain it as well as other youtubers. 😅 -

@jessiestar4914

4 жыл бұрын

That’s an interesting theory which would be shocking and would fix a lot of plot holes, but however would leave a bunch of plot holes too. For one we know that Adrien is perfect but he may also be trying to act perfect because he loves his parents and maybe because his father is mourning, he may wish to distract his father. Another issue is Adrien got hurt. Sure there isn’t blood but he isn’t indestructible. He probably twisting his foot as well. The next issue is the cataclysm. When used on a sentimonster they get out of control. They go crazy. Adrien didn’t go crazy more like hurt. What I believe is that the Cataclysm didn’t hurt him because A it’s possible it was a weakened one or B. Cataclysm is weaker on heroes because the suit absorbed most of the blow and Cat Noir was getting weaker every minute. It’s possible it kills them but slowly. Another issue is I’m not sure if Sentimonster can age up. You could say that Feast was in stone but I mean we don’t even know how long. However we do know he remains the same size until being Akumatized. 2 more reason left: why was Hawkmoth saving Adrien when he was falling off a building. Sentimonster are basically indestructible and one of them survived being in stone and lava. Sure you could say he was trying to avoid revealing Adrien but to me he looked more distressed and scared for his son’s life. He wouldn’t beg him to please transform into Cat Noir and let Ladybug save him. He basically put Adrien in danger and yeeted him across Paris. But Hawkmoth knew it wouldn’t kill him. Only when it was clear that Adrien would die, did he actually step in to save him. The last reason would be why is Adrien disobedient. Clearly Adrien has snuck at far too many times and we haven’t seen him be come forced. He could have used the Peacock miraculous to force Adrien to tell Hawkmoth he’s Cat Noir. It was clear that Mayura could control other Sentimonster even if not created by the main owner. I mean if you’re making a perfect son. You should make him at least obedient. Especially how Gabriel dislike him leaving. So ya! Anyway I respect ur theory and I understand it. This was just my reason on why it wouldn’t make sense. But that’s definitely interesting. I guess we will find out soon!

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

@@jessiestar4914 Idk, being allergic to feathers is kind of purfect.

@arthurvale5147

4 жыл бұрын

Oh god, I really DONT want this theory to be true. Also, I don’t think it is because in “ladybug”, after the sentimoster was destroyed, Halk Moth said: “sentimental for a sentimoster?” I know he’s is a villain and all but I don’t think he would just said this out of nowhere if his own son was a sentimoster

@alvajuascie4553

4 жыл бұрын

Arthur Vale good point! Ahh this theory is too good to be true I kinda hope it’s true but also depends- it’d make the show a bit more interesting 🗿

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Arthur Vale it’s just a theory😅

Cat Noir is not Ladybug's equal. He is her sidekick. Don't you dare try to lie to us Astruc.

it's the fact that kagami gives off main character vibes than marinette

@TheVirtualCelebrity

3 жыл бұрын

Omg! 🤣🤣🤣

5:03 I FELT THAT SO HARD!!😂 I Legit saw this than closed my phone and went about 20 minutes saying : Astagfirullah the whole time BECAUSE THE MAN LITTERALY HIT ME WITH THAT BOMB I WAS TOTALLY NOT IN THE MOOD FOR.

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I changed that translation page and actually wrote the real translation like in the Steven Universe live reaction video 😅

@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVirtualCelebrity 😤😤Also When I Said That I Hoped/THOUGHT THAT WAYHEM SHOULD GET THE DOG MIRACULOUS HE BLOCKED ME 😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾😡😠😾 FOR GIVING MY OPINION"

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

@@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336 that damn harsh you did nothing wrong

@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336

4 жыл бұрын

@@issakitungano3341 Thanks Also What Do You Think Of WAYHEM Getting THE DOG MIRACULOUS?"

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

@@topcatninjahousepetsdigian9336 wayhem is perfect for the job he is really loyal like a dog he has brown eyes like the dog miraculous and brown hair I am not joking he's the perfect guy for it!!!!

and the fact mari keeps getting upgrade's and adrien has to stay in his normal costume at all times. but, like WHAT!? "equal"!?

Thank god someone finally talk about it, maybe it´s the reasons why so many people love Adrien/ Chat Noir, because of the short time screen, and because he's a cinnamon roll

9:15 Sensitive topic but I feel like extreme stupid feminists (not trying to offend any normal and passionate ones I’m very sorry if I did) The entire fandom and the character of chat noir would attacked it if he did the same jokes and hitting that ladybug did it would be called violence against women and we would all be called sexist lmao Double standards

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

I think there is a bit of Agreeing to not notice the whole LB is a potentially emotionally and physically abusive Girlfriend & potentially Neglectful parent one day thing - just as we all pretend to not notice how close Cat Noir gets to sexual harassment at times. - and that was "status quo" what kinda broke the status quo a bit was when Marinette started sabotaging Kagami and outright stalking Adrien... that sort of tipped some people over the edge a bit into - thinking they didn't much care for her - as lets be Honest Cat Noir flipping worships her - he might get carried away - but if she asks him to stop flirting he would.. instead she sometimes shouts at him, hits him, or flirts back - just confusing him - and then when he backs off to protect himself - she calls him Pouty and drapes herself all over him and bats her eyes at him - That is really jerk behaviour I feel. Either let the guy down for good and tell him to stop flirting, or accept it as say that is all i'm doing - but keep it platonic please... instead she acts offended if he doesn't do it and hits him if he does.

@doodleproductions7552

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster And not to mention Marinette's own crush is so creepy?! Breaking into houses, sniffing pillows, stealing phones, trying to kiss a "statue" version without consent?! This isn't a crush this is straight up stalking. A normal girl with a crush is clumsy and awkward sure, but not freaking creepy

@doodleproductions7552

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster Chat Noir is very tame in his flirting, making quips about how amazing Ladybug is and all, and instead of following her to see her identity he calmly closes the door. Like, he's so respectful

@erm-fd3cv

3 жыл бұрын

i just want to let you know that no REAL feminists are like this, feminism is obviously about equality between all gender and sexes. thomas is really giving us a bad name :/

True progress is where nobody focuses on race, gender, or sexuality. True progress is where we focus on who we are instead of what we are.

"It's misogyny" nah it's the fact that his name is in the title of the show, his dad's the main villain of the show, and the show still never focuses on him for more than five minutes

SIS IN REFLEXDOLL 'Mister bug' did absolutely nothing Lady noir was the one who told him what to do with the charm, because in ladybug's shoes he apparently still didn't have any sense, but she did? you've got to be kidding me.

I just started the vid apparently he allied people sexist for wanting Adrien to get more focus I mean no offence dude but do you wanna know why people enjoyed chat blanc so much? We don’t want marionette to get less attention (atleast me) But we want adrien to have the same amount of spotlight Literally in the ladybug episode ladybug says this as far as I remember Chat:why did you not get hawkmoth? Ladybug:because we are a team ladybug doesn’t sound half as cool by itself Also Thomas can you stop making everyone except ladybug dumber? But make the villain SMART?! It’s just frustrating to see this dude say ladybug is being smart when besides the (mouse miraculous plan that confused me for like a week or in oblivio) she just had a normal iq but you make everyone stupid

@billyjoel3910

4 жыл бұрын

Yep pretty much it, at this point I'm just gonna make my own fan take just to stick it to him (and possibly to Enjoy)

@lelecouffaine99

3 жыл бұрын

IKR hawkmoth could’ve won a long time ago

@laroyalford4596

3 жыл бұрын

That’s so true and right

17:45 YES in that episode where chloe’s mom made adrien into a statue of gold where did plagg escape to? Where did Marinette meet him?

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

Did he go to Master Fu, then defied orders and went to find Marinette to help?

@rewriter3981

4 жыл бұрын

The Virtual Celebrity exactly!

I love this video so much and you are so right. What actually do we know about Adrien, only than him loving to play Piano, being a model and having a strict father??? Right, nothing

@PumpkinnieVA

4 жыл бұрын

Every episode is about Marinette/Ladybug. Even with the kwami swap, Kitty Noire or whatever had the same stupid attitude towards Misterbug like she always has towards Cat Noir. It's... Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir and not Tales of Ladybug and Marinette...

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

Fun fact; and this _will_ piss off TVC, in the Adrien focused episode 'Party Crasher' including intros and outros, Marinette is on screen ~15mins; Adrien is on 14:51mins

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Russell Archer oh....

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

We also know he likes Passionfruit, is a fan of Jagged Stone and his 5th name is ignatius. Things we don't know include "is he able to beat Marinette at a Dance Dance Revoltion type game" when he has one in his room - or are Alya and Nino better than either of them at that type of game ? Is Marinette killer at all videogame - or is it just Ultimate Mechastrike ones and fighting games in general - wouldn't it be nice if they were say dead even at racing games for example ?

Another thing I have somewhat of an issue with.. Adrien is trained kung-fu artist, some capoera, and a trained fencer, but Cat Noir seems to be an far inferior fighter than ladybug, who I don't recall having any type of training.. idk for sure tho

I agree with this video sooo much! Adrien deserves much more screen time. The same thing happens each episode, someone gets akumatized, ladybug saves the day, "time to de-evilize", "bye bye little butterfly". We never see anything from Adrien or Cat Noirs pov. Also, Marinette's actions gets boring and tiring after season 2. We get it, you have an obsessive crush of Adrien! Give him some spot light pleaseeee! Thomas Astruc is self entitled. Anyway, sorry for the paragraph, its just some thing I needed to say. Ty for making this video!!

Me: *wants Chat Noir to have more focus and stop being mocked by everyone* Astruc (a man): LET WOMEN LEAD! Me (a woman): K but that isn't what I said.

Miraculous is a show with SO much missed potential! Back in Season 1 days, I was really hoping that Ladybug & Chat Noir would become this kick ass battle couple but alas. I swear they also said they were going to ditch the monster of the week episode format, but that obviously hasn’t happened. Thomas really pisses me off & I’ve been over his shit for years now. I’m all for a female lead show, but he just can’t take any constructive criticism. I’m an artist, I love criticism because it helps me get better. Thomas acts like the only people who watch the show are young girls and while they do make up a majority of the demographic, that’s no excuse for poor character writing. I was a young girl once, and I hated shows that treated me like I was dumb. Kids are much smarter then we give them credit for and what about the young boys who watch Miraculous? At this point I’m only watching the show to see Ladybug & Chat Noir end up together. I’m losing my patience and I hate that they are dragging it out. I don’t know how many more fake outs I can deal with. I’m mostly just looking forward to the animated movie because I feel like the story there will be much better and more of what the fans want.

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

You’re right

@issakitungano3341

4 жыл бұрын

Kids can see you know

@littlesparrow303

4 жыл бұрын

Well the missed opportunity was when it was originally going to be a Anime with Felix as a better character than Adrien. Sadly they switched to CGI to get western audiences & the animation is cheaper 🙄

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

issa kitungano huh?

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Little Angel um ok😅

The yin and yang are supposed to be equal partners with different strengths that compliment eachother. If their miraculouses are supposed to represent the yin and yang, shouldn't they both be the leader? Shouldn't they be equal partners?

Even Lila has more development 😤😠😡

@jtlovescodelyoko

4 жыл бұрын

True and she had a lot more screen time this past season she made the episode "oniichan" among my least favorite episodes of the series, yeah I get the point.

Honestly, the only reason why I'm barely holding unto the show is because of the Agreste family. I want to know more about Adrien, Gabriel, Emilie & even Felix. They're like, the only interesting characters in the show. Plus, the show is really repetitive. This is probably why I like fanfics more because they're more intriguing than the actual show itself. Marinette shouldn't have been "the leader." I wish they made Marinette a villian in later episodes. I would've been at least intrigued. Oh well, this is just my opinion & thoughts.

5:03 that's when you know it's a rant 😂 also 10:45 just want to see how Thomas would react to that comment. Straight facts 💯 BY THE WAY how is Nooroo able to read the book, Tikki is able to read it, but Plagg isn't able to recognize it??? What??? You can't tell me that he never read the book before. ALSO how is it even possible that he didn't recognize A FREAKING MIRACULOUS!!! They also just threw away another mistake master Fu made in chosing the wrong holder which is an important plot point... *Sigh* Also, Adrien's backstory is where the lore is. And they aren't showing anything!!! We don't want to know that Marinette can use every single miraculous without going insane, we want to know exactly how Gabriel and Emilie GOT their miraculous in the first place! We want to know HOW Adrien feels in his daily life! Thomas, you are misinterpreting and twisting our words! You know those people trying to give you constructive criticism, and you're blocking them? What? Listen to what they say for once! We have nothing wrong with Ladybug being the leader but you made 2 equal protagonists. The least you could do is give them both equal screen time. I fear that S4 is going to make another stormy weather 2 Episode where Thomas basically said don't criticise me. It's my show. Hahaha it is, but when the fanfictions are better, that's when you have a problem!!!

@gracekim25

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah 😅

#1 quote for Thomas Astruc on the issue of Chat Noir "What we see, is what you show us. And what you've shown us, is hot garbage.".... That's what it actually boils down to. It's not about 'sexism' nor 'sexist fans', its about showing us hot garbage and thinking we'd enjoy it, without complaint. 🗑️

I agree, Adrien needs more character development

What I’d wish they’d at least done was give Chat the ability to purify the Akumas. There. Problem solved. Each Miraculous has 2 powers. That is EQUAL. Thomas, 1 power to 3 powers is NOT equal. Plus Ladybug and Chat Noir and would not be able to defeat the villains without each other. Ladybug can use Lucky Charm and fix the damage (both relating to creation) but she can’t purify the akuma, meanwhile Chat Noir can use Cataclysm and purify the akuma (both relating to destruction) but he can’t fix the damage. That way they are much more like yin-yang and balance each other. Right now, they are horribly unbalanced. Both the black cat and ladybug miraculous are supposed to be more powerful than the others, but what differentiates the black cat miraculous from the others? It’s on the exact same power level as the rest of the Miraculous, heck, maybe even weaker. Whereas Marinette literally gets 3 powers and is overpowered as heck. This could have been such an easy fix but noooo, GiRL pOwEr!

5:03 As a fellow Muslim, i felt that...

@TheVirtualCelebrity

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@mohammadmurie

4 жыл бұрын

Same I feel like that tweet made me lose some brain cells

To be honest ever since I watched Miraculous Ladybug, I've notice that Adrian hasn't gotten much spotlight in the series. And Ladybug is getting all the attention and spotlight on her more, and I feel like I want there to be a balance of spotlights and attention between the two characters. Hopefully they'll change it to the new season.

Ladybug is my least favourite superhero she needs to go down but I like marinette more And adrien in both forms is perfect I don’t hate anyone with a burning passion except Lila and hawkmoth Kagami is precious

@cheyennecedeno6867

4 жыл бұрын

KickXWeeb X. . . LOATHE LADYBRAT WITH A DARK PASSION Tolerate Clumsinette on a good day LOVE LOVE LOVE 😻😻😻😻 CATTASTIC KITTY CAT NOIR ADRIEN IS AN ADORABLE UNDERRATED CHARACTER!! ADRIGAMI ALWAYS!! 🌸🌸🌸🌸 Marinette has NEVER DESERVED Adrienn ever!! 💢💢💢💢💢💢💢

@vilmavenla

Жыл бұрын

@@cheyennecedeno6867 yass bestie❤️

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ASTRUC IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAVING A GIRL LEADER BUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SETTING UP A SHOW BASED ON TWO MAIN CHARACTERS, PROMISING EQUALITY WHEN ONE CHARACTER GETS ALL THE ATTENTION AND THE OTHER IS BOOTED OUT OF THE PICTURE? THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

Plus "Leader" pretty much means chief, etc. If they're equal, there are no leaders! Its just Partners!

"The leader is a girl." Seriously? Lol, I have no problems of girls leading others because I am one myself, but that's gotta be the lamest excuse for my boi getting less attention! Every main and supporting characters must have 50/50 screentime or chapters! 😔

How tf can you hate your own characters? I love every single OC from me and I couldn't think the other way! :D

When you got so mad that you begun speaking in your native language, I was like I can feel that, I relate, I have been there. Also isnt it a little weird that the show is going so out of its way to bash on the fandom's favourite character. And i am pretty sure that by now that they must know he is the favourite. (Thomas, this is not a strong female character. I know them. I like them. And this aint how you write one.)

I wonder how different the show would be if only Chat Noir could capture Akumas and Amoks to purify them in his bo-staff.

@WhiteFireTheDragon

4 жыл бұрын

@Aesthetical Dreams Why not share the majority of the focus instead of having strictly one main character?

@90lancaster

4 жыл бұрын

It would work well as it might mean she has to wait for him to purify it before she can cure it - but the problem with that is that Cat Noir taking an akuma hit would be bad - as he is the one de-transforming the akuma. They have too make sure any akuma's spell effects are undone by releasing the akuma - but that really wouldn't help if the person has vanished. that is what the cure undos - so I guess they realised they needed one character to be the meat shield - but they may have got a bit to far with it.

@WhiteFireTheDragon

4 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster And if Chat Noir were akumatized, then there would be no way to deal with the akuma. At least with Ladybug having the power of purification, if she's unable, that leave the darker, less desirable option shown in Chat Blanc.😔 I do not like that option.

Thomas: "Is it so diffcult to let girls lead?" Master Yoda: "Super simp, you are."

@TheVirtualCelebrity

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I still think it’s so weird that CN isn’t the one to purify things or contribute more to planning capturing the Akuma’s since I could’ve sworn around season 1 it was confirmed that Physics is one of Adrien’s favorite subjects? Maybe I’m misremembering but it’s just weird to me.

13:52 MORE LIKE THE ONLY TIME SHE SAVES HIM IN THE ENTIRE SHOW ALSO PARTY CRASHER DOES NOT COUNT😒"

You know it would be interesting if the reason Master Fu was against Chat Noir knowing anything was because of a prejudice against Plagg and his holders that exist among the guardians due to the fact their power is destruction, chaos, and misfortune which are all negative attributes.

I feel so bad for Adrien. Most episodes focus on Marinette, not him. And even when they do focus on him, it usually makes showing Marinette a priority

@quietopinion9637

3 жыл бұрын

But they don't her out to be perfect unlike him. In fact they basically make him to be right every-time he's ever on screen. He needs to be called out on his mistakes for him to be a likeable character to me.

@aoto8897

3 жыл бұрын

@@quietopinion9637 Stop being a marinette stan😂 most rant videos about this show are 100% true, marinette is often problematic.

Also, I do not know if you are going to talk about it, but there is a rumor going around that for Seasons 1 and 2, there as a person named Sebastien that was a representative for Jemery to help with the scriptwriting for the show when Jeremy was starting to focus on other projects. And then in season 3, Sebastian (Not sure how his name is spelled) pulled away, and Thomas had more control of season 3. I would like to hear your thoughts on this and if there is any merit to the rumor or if it is just a rumor, and this is all Thomas's show. (Btw: it is also rumored it was because of Sebastien that represents Jeremy that Chloe got her arc in seasons 2 as Jeremy wanted to provide the lesson that people can change, even bullies... so I don't know. But in some way, it does match up with how Thomas has been treating Chloe as of late. Even though most of the fandom sympathizes with her and he has been saying she has no chance to be good.)

@russellarcher5181

4 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing that! I was looking up producers, because I swore they never changed them, Sébastien Thibaudeau, was in nearly all of them. He stood out because it seemed he wasn't in any of the bad episodes

@Wolfheartgal

4 жыл бұрын

@@russellarcher5181 Honestly, any explanation works for me. As it just seems like there was a focus in season 1 and 2, but then kinda... I don't want to say overly bad as there were some good elements of season 3, but it did feel like it was scrambling to try and hit specific points or trying to stretch the concept past it's prime without providing more to the foundation that needs it. As well as it feels that is what the show was going for before season 3 came right out of nowhere and just flung too many elements into the story to make it feel inconsistent.

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

3 жыл бұрын

I think I hope Jeremy Zag give us a good MLB movie...It's his own project collab iwth someone else...Your riht I saw sebastian in the credits from s1 & 2..But at s3 and 4...nope....I miss that writer

Let's talk about HOW THOMAS SHOULD NOT WRITE FEMALE LEADS! A leader knows when to back down or ask questions...in refiki doll 2.0( Lovely name by the way*sarcasm*) as you said they traded miraculous SHE HAD THE CAT MIRACULOUS SHE COULDA BACKED DOWN FOR AT LEAST A DAY...Also I love Plagg...Plagg is best kitty....also Adrain needs thrapy in and out of the suit... And I feel that....

I've come to the conclusion that Thomas Astruc is blonde-phobic. Rose will likely die from her illness, Queen bee has been replaced, Chlóe will not have a redemption, Adrien is becoming increasingly irrelevant, Emilie will likely be evil and Zóe must also do some "unforgivable shit".

I feel like the de-akumatization thing should be carried out by both Ladybug and Cat Noir like true partners, like they both are equally useful instead of making Ladybug the most useful one and Cat Noir just like any other miraculous holder used for the distraction and the other side things. I mean, shouldn't distraction be Rena Rouge's ability? She's literally made for it. She does it sometimes but Cat Noir has to do it most of the time. Even if Cat Noir couldn't de-akumatize, maybe he could de-amokize, I mean that makes sense cuz amoks are not living creatures like akumas and so, cataclysm wouldn't be harming any life.