Absolutely incredible, best Luger video that you’ve ever produced. You are a lucky man Tom just for being able to play with that thing and stripping it down. I enjoy doing that to all my Lugers my hands would be shaking removing those grip screws!

That is a fascinating weapon. Fortunately I am not a Luger collector or I’d go broke trying to get it. (I do have a 1915 DWM P08 with German and British proof marks that I wish could talk.)

@SpliefDaGrief

Жыл бұрын

It’s worth going broke for brother

Hello Folks, I am one of the experts who contributed information and opinions about this uncertain commercial M1900 AE Luger on the JS Forum that reached 14-pages. I was not criticizing the authenticity of the pistol (before or after the Ideal Stock was found 7 years later from the same area), instead mentioning comments on the likely track it took and its purpose when this sample pistol was provided from H. Tauscher's business in New York, bearing in mind the large 'flaming bomb' ordnance proof stamps on the right side of the pistol, and the 'US Government Property' markings on the internal metal grip inserts. It's a long story to explain which I can tell another day when I find some spare time to write it all, since the analysis is time consuming to combine various details together to present a sensible unbiased report. By the way Tom, there was only ONE .45 Luger delivered for testing in 1906, when the TWO .45 Lugers which we remember are actually an improved second model made in limited quantity (about 15 pistols) in 1910, and then ONE being given to the stingy US Government through Springfield Armory as a 'souvenir' after the deal was changed and then fell through. The DWM factory decided to pursue the much bigger deal for the M1904/06 Navy Luger contract from the German Navy chambered for the new 9x19 mm Parabellum cartridge, whilst the Mauser factory introduced a 9x25 Mauser Export cartridge for its pistols.

@AnusRipper-2000

Ай бұрын

You're no expert

After years and now both holster & Gun find each other = amazing.....Thanks Tom 👍 Shoe🇺🇸

the actual springfield armory museum is AMAZING!!!!!

Gorgeous luger and a true piece of history especially American history and the amazing story of them being Reunited after all those years to even find it period is a Miracle need to be in a museum again

Nice I have a 1917 DWM Luger wished I could afford the stock for one this one would be super cool to own.

@spangy8405

Жыл бұрын

YOU CAN afford it ... the mistake you're making is that you think $$ spent on a Luger stock is gone forever and that all you have to show for it is an oak board. NOT TRUE !! The money you spend on Luger's and stocks etc is an INVESTMENT. If you shop diligently you will make $$ should you ever need to sell, in the mean time you get to enjoy 1917 even more. Works for me and its how my collection has grown to 4 full Luger Artillery rigs, a factory mint matching 1900 DWM .762 and several other Lugers ... I never worry about 'losing' $$ on them because it just won't happen. I am positive that Tom can fix you up with a Luger stock that you will NEVER lose $$ on. POSITIVE !!

@blacktberd08

Жыл бұрын

@@spangy8405 problem is I’m in Canada and they put a freeze on selling so can’t get my money back anytime soon. And being on a fixed income makes it hard to come up with the extra money for it.

Tom, your videos are always educational, hard to believe anyone would go to that level to fake the gun. I'm with you, it's more probable that not that it is the gun that went to Springfield Armory for testing.

Amazing story. If i remember it well, in the book "Luger" by John Walter, such a gun was illustrated. I have to take a look in this book to confirm. But first a have to take out this book of the raer corner.

THANK You so much, Tom, for making an "educational video" on it. This IS absolutely fascinating!! WHY the heck to fake something to make it look like nothing else??

Wish I could afford it ❤.

Awesome the stock was discovered and reunited with it's better half...super cool gun and story

OMG! It's da bomb! : ) And , I believe it's the real deal. Why isn't anyone around from the 1901 U.S. Test Commission when you need them...

I have never seen anything like that. Amazing piece of history!

Now top this story. Incredible find, wish it was mine. Tom your killing it.

What a find!! Wow!

THAT is a NICE CATCH SIR! I had seen a video years ago about a .45 LUGER U.S. Army test pistol in private hands in Arizona. The video was about million dollar guns and featured the luger... which if i remember WAS the million $ gun in the video with other firearms.

Fantastic presentation! To me, those halos around all the Springfield armory stampings attest to the age. The serial number is exactly what you would expect for an early 1901 Luger in Hans Tausher's inventory. This would be the crown jewel in any US military collection or Luger collection. How could you find the rusted untouched stock 7 years later - if it was not real? And the guy who found it was unknown to the guy that found the Gun at auction. Tom does the best service to the collecting community.

Great story, gun, and video. Treasures are out there and you found it.👍🏻

Interesting love your videos!!! Tom and Randy.

Very cool story.

Tom, this presentation was, for me, "goose bump city". Your sense of humor kept it alive and moving, but this Luger is so fascinating that words escape me to say how moved I was watching this. Thank you so much! Long time fan, Kurt Bullington

That’s an amazing find❗️✅

Very cool story though. If things are meant to be together.... they will find each other. Whether it be a beautiful pistol in a steampunk looking holster with a torrid past, or two people with a torrid past. :-)

you know Tom i think they maybe more than 2 45 cal Lugers made! the story i heard was 1 or 2 of the testing officers liked it so much they expressed an interest in a personal special order! that flaming bomb mark should be able to be dated i'm sure the ordinance dept has records of the designs they've used over the years and the dates they were in service!

i had seen a video years ago about two 45 cal lugers trialed by the U.S. Army against others like the 1911 and the Savage 45s. Supposedly a collector in Arizona has ONE. The video was named, i believe, million dollar guns

The gun and the stock. Better than hitting the lottery.

Luv how thorough your research is ,,, really enjoy the videos,,, excellent speaker as well

give one dude, you have plenty

Very, very interesting story! Thank you for sharing

This is so interesting. Thanks

Amazing piece 👍🏻

Awesome pics and stories.

what if theres a missing part to that holster/stock which FOLDS OVER from the forward spine to cover the now empty opening after the pistol is removed? to make a decent shoulder rest... or also works as a cover like the other wood ones

Eindeutig richtig eingeordnet. Genius. Top Videos :)

Great Video lots of History Best video I ever seen thanks..

Outstanding Episode Tom ... beautiful gun to say the least. The history may never actually be fully know adding to the appeal of this gem. I, like you, find the history of a gun so very interesting and an exciting 'turn on'. The thrill of tracking a gun's history from conception to current date cannot be overrated. Thanks Tom and again Outstanding Episode 🥇

Oh my god. I can't believe the level of fake and the level of real. It was a horrific time and that is what we really need to remember. Love your videos!

@mattsmith3118

Жыл бұрын

What was a horrific time ?

Cool story and great explanation!!

Crazy that somone randomly found the stock to the gun

Fantastic pistol and story Tom

This gun is just the bomb!

Interesting story👌

Absolutely Amazing Pistol and Story!

Fantastic

Well..... If you are not buying it........The asking price must be too high?

WOW....

cool

Here I am again. It took a little of time to get to the book. But: promise given, promise kept. I have to begin with a statement: my English is poor and limited. I do not live in the USA and I never learnt it, I get it by self instructing. So please keep this in mind when you read my text. Now I come back to my statement where I told that I have in mind that such a pistol was illustrated in John Walters book "LUGER". I'm surprised by myself, IT IS. After 40 years, my memories are correct. Side 194 / 195 exactly such a pistol is pictured with the exactly the same stock, fitted on the grip. The Stockmaker/ Holstermaker also is named: "IDEAL" and it seems, that this manufacturer had made other trials, with the almost the same look of stock, for revolvers. Also is stated that there was two different stiles of grips for the Luger: both, the here showed and illustrated in the book, plain grips, and the usual checkered grips. Unfortunately I can not identify a ser.-nr., but there is a fair chance, that it is the pistol, that you present us here. Possibly further these will need to deeper research and give other sources to get more details. Further is stated that this Holster exist in two (2) different versions, both patented in GB (Great Britain) First Patent-nr.: 22 653/01. dated on November 09. 1901 The second Patent-nr. dates also from 09. November 1901 and is listed as 22 954/01 concerning modifications on the stock attachment. All this are informations that I took out of John Walters book "LUGER". Possibly this leads to further traces and informations. I hope it will and light up the dark and mystery. 40 years ago and I remember this illustration, and stumbled her in this video, amazing enough. I hope you can "decode" my message.

Wouldn’t the army have records on what stamps they used and when?

Y love this history !!

What make me wonder if it'e real or not is all those flaming bomb stamps.Would they have put that many on one gun?

@giovannipotenza123

Жыл бұрын

JUst two. One for the receiver and one for the barrel group. Two main parts. They could get mixed up in 1901 cowboy Leavenworth KS. Mag proof is a German Zodiac proof - not a flaming bomb

@ThePatron1130

Жыл бұрын

@@giovannipotenza123 Yea,but you also have the two side plates,and wood grips also marked.

Very interesting

Great video. Learned a lot. What is it about listening to Tom talk about counterfeit guns that makes it a little less sinister? It’s like all we have to do to know the real ones from the fakes is to show it to him.

Very cool.

I have a luger with a number 89 the same like the one you have now is it original

@LegacyCollectibles

Жыл бұрын

You can always send us photos and we can help out where we can ! Legacy-Collectibles.com

The problem I have with this pistol is the fact that the Shell and Flame (it isn't a bomb) stamped in so many places wasn't designed until 1936! Long after the original test. That design was never use on any firearm by Springfield. The older designs, with more extravagant flame was grandfathered, and then discontinued. The one used here is reasonably common on contract made weapons in WWII, e.g. on shotguns and bayonets. Is this the sole surviving Luger from the first test? I don't know, there is no proof it isn't, nor is there any proof it is. But the fact that a 1936 design shell and flame appears on a pistol and it's grips and grip adaptor plates would link the shell and flame to the use of the stock, not to the first test.

If faked they worked very hard, Oh another flaming Bomb 💣!

Cool

Knowing this guy I'd say "most likely" 😮

Tanscher had Lugers in stock with the American eagle already engraved on top?

Fascinating story. I used to participate on those Luger forums but eventually found them somewhat unbearable given all the so-called experts that chime in with their acerbic comments. That's the internet.

wall streets 'gordon geko' had a .45 lugar in his collection

Price of lugar sir g

@thomaswhiteman4261

Жыл бұрын

27,500.00

Test gun Had modifications to what the army wanted Or feild modification

If you could recover that 1 remaining luger chambered in 45 ACP it would be worth a fortune

Tom, I got the item, and I want to follow up with you to complete the history of it, I sent an email to Chris to pass on you, did you get the email? Thanks, Ed

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Maybe...just maybe the original testing officer's at the time recorded the serial numbers of those two guns. Just need to search their records to see what was written? Surely there is more to this than just educated opinions...

Have the one sent after this in 1902 for a General. As gift. In a case. 3 magazines ser no xx00 all xx00 numbers were sent to entice Generals. With the double xx zeros 00. All numbers on the gun match 00. Will email you.

Did you know 2 of them were chambered in 45 acp