A (common) issue that can occur is dc'ing when going through loading screens. The fact that he left the dungeon right after a death, along with his damage being close ish to single target could suggest he's in a raid b build that doesn't take shadow crash, meaning he doesnt have a fast way to spread dots. Coupled with low-ish tyrannical and playing void eruption, this could simply mean there simply isn't time to ramp the damage. If he's in da instead of ve, then he's not getting the dot refreshes from ve. So either way, these talent choices could really hurt shadow. So, a very possible scenario I see here is that he died to get back to the start (rather valid, but could have gone earlier), zoned out to swap talents, then dc'd when trying to get back in. The extended dc time could just be bad timing as well from dying to jumps because of latency that could often precede power/internet outages. In this case, it looking like he left the dungeon is purely from the dc, not him actually leaving. It could also help explain the low damage in aoe as he was struggling to get his dots out even with shadow crash, along with smaller pulls early on because of sanguine management. Ultimately though, m+ is a marathon, and the more you let yourself be constantly jaded, the harder is is to come back day after day, week after week, to keep pugging keys. Sometimes, the best thing you can do for the key and yourself is to just say, "gg" and move on to the next key, regardless if the other guy intentionally dc'd or not. In both cases, key is functionally dead after a few minutes either way. Being mad at a potential(!) griefer only hurts you.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Well no we nearly upgraded this without him haha. People give up wayyy too easily in this game. Sounds like you might too? If you are that stressed out about keys it's okay to take a break. I try my best every time until I can't any longer.

i've experienced many power outages that only last minutes, but yea on the other side there are some that last multiple hours, so i'm inclined to believe the guy

@gearjammer3782

Ай бұрын

I to get a lot of short power outages. Then it takes 20 or 25 minutes for router and computer to do self diagnostics, restart and get logged back in to wow. It happened several times while hearthstone event was happening. I was in raid groups for the event and when I came back on I was in a group of 1....and no loot.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Certainly not impossible.

@gearjammer3782

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro That is what happened.....

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@gearjammer3782 huh?

go or no-go is a military saying. Good to see you still pumping out videos Metro!

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Oh cool. Long time no see, glad to see you again!

If the priest re-joins the run after a "power out" then I'm inclined to believe them, otherwise... it's a little suspicious but I'm still inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, as somebody whose internet seems to take micronaps sometimes

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, well we wiped so we didn't get to see him rejoin. But it seemed like it would!

I live in a lower income area where, when the power goes out it usually stays out for at least an hour or two before it's fixed. If you live somewhere that has a large monopoly for a power company, you've probably experienced how much they like to screw over their customers; particularly lower income customers, we are always the last to get our power returned after major storms etc. And it doesn't help that they refuse to invest any money in their infrastructure; if the wind blows slightly too hard our power goes out sometimes. And it makes no sense when these monopolies are charging people almost $600 monthly bills for 2 bedroom trailers and mobile homes.

@MichaelsGraves-ew2gt

Ай бұрын

So stop giving them money. They tell you evey few years if you "VOTE FOR ME" ill bla bla bla. Vote with your wallet and time or they'll never stop. GEt ya a generator or something and pull yourself off the grid

@allste626

Ай бұрын

@@MichaelsGraves-ew2gt What are you sm0king? Can you share? First of all, you don't know how I vote.. so let's get that out of the way. Second, you think a low income family can afford a generator that would actually be affordable to run permanently? Or do you not understand the cost of running a low cost generator?

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Sorry to hear about all that. Do you find its common for your power to be out for less than 30 minutes though?

@allste626

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro Maybe 1 out of 10 outages will last less than an hour. Like I said, we are low priority. Even when it's just our particular grid affected (not a widespread outage), they drag their feet repairing it. The last *major* outage in my area, my grid went without power for two full days longer than every other grid in a 50 mile radius.

@MichaelsGraves-ew2gt

Ай бұрын

@@allste626 Doesnt matter how you vote. The point is they dont care regardless. And no, why would you run it permanently? Im smoking Big MAc, shit fire

with the power going down for a few minutes is common in places like venezuela. Another is I live in Florida and it storms sometimes here bad and we like power outages that are literally just seconds, but when that happens I have to wait for my router to get back on line. So this very well sounds like thats what happened.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

ya, seems a bit long for the route to reboot, but its certainly possible.

So the last few days the midwest has been pummeled with nasty storms that did knock our power out for short bursts over the course of the last week. So I personally think it's possible, but I agree with you that leaving is more the norm than staying.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

ya, anything is possible there for sure.

I wish I had a video of it, but we had a tank who's generator ran out of gas, while he was gone one of us swapped to a tank spec and we cleared to the next boss and he got back on apologized and told us about the generator and we still managed to time the key

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I wish you did too!

I just had the other day power cut that was scheduled at like 1am, no one told ME but it was planned by the power company and it was back up like 5min later.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya I imagine short power outages and very long ones are more regular. This length doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

my mage has started swimming on that last boss in Halls so many times. Like it has gotten me killed a few times, where you expect to blink out of the swirlie, then because you are swimming, the blink send you down instead of in a safe direction

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

ya I have heard you can also blink through the floor. Crazy

It was the very first week of S4 😅 on a +6. hunter leaves after a wipe on last boss HoI. We killed the boss in 4 with low gear and out of time. We didn’t want to waste 40 minutes of our time and not even getting the loot. I hate leavers, especially during the gearing weeks.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, really frustrating.

i feel like its possible, I've had the power for out at my apartment complex for 1 second but because we lost power for 1 second the entire internet/router system had to be restarted which always takes at least 10 minutes

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

10 minutes wow, that's unfortunate haha.

how do you do your spreadsheet? always wanted to make one myself but seems like quite a big task to get into

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Not sure what you mean, but if you want to take mine and make a copy you are totally welcome to! I wish more people would use it so we can see the stats of each season clearly.

Glad to know i'm not the only one tanking clown-shows and muppets-on-shrooms this week ;)

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

This week was rough, and what really is frustrating is there were multiple keys that every thing went really really well in, and then stuff like what I show here happens.

@peterpain6625

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro I've had multiple keys where people died to some bs they should'nt have to. Then wrote "BR" or "br! scrubs" in chat multiple times and just left when nobody did (because they'd be dead 10 seconds leter) despite there being way enough time to upgrade the key... Had this on a semi-safe BH14++!

I've had two power cuts during M+. One because I forgot to top up the meter (derp) and another because the power in my area just went down for about an hour. The first was in Nokhud in season one, which happened as I was flying across to the third area. Apparently I just flew off into oblivion and died. Thankfully I managed to regain power and get back online fast enough to time that one. The second however, happened during the middle of quite a large trash pull in Brackenhide the other week. It was a low key on an alt, so I was trying to get through it quickly. As my power was down for so long I couldn't get back on and can only assume that they didn't finish the dungeon. I feel the distinct thing about an actual power cut is that it's instant and completely random. There shouldn't be any behaviour beforehand to indicate that they pulled the plug. It is indeed suspicious that they just happened to lose connection right after dying and leaving the dungeon. It's way more probable that they'd of dc'd before being hit by the skillshot and if that was the case then they wouldn't of even released. As you say, anything can happen irl to cause you to have to leave abruptly, and it is only a game after all. Personally when I've had people dc I've just kept going (mostly with hope that nobody else notices) until we either hit a point where we need them to be there or we really cannot time it and people just want to stop or they leave. The probability they'll return from a dc is higher than if they've left, so why give up when it's a five minute difference for potentially an upgrade? Sadly, this kind of issue is a problem with the system itself. If keys didn't downgrade then disconnects would be a minor irritation, but that would also generate a lot of other problems.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

At the end of the day you are right. The problem is wholly because of keys working the way they do. But I bet it was funny to watch you dragon ride off into amirdrassil while in nokhud haha

I had a similar thing happen in both these instances. The last boss bug, we had to run up the stairs to get add to stop swimming. Another was a ret pally who died to swirl in low 8av, got bres, then died to another swirl min later. They go offline, and we decide continue key. We still timed it with me as aug, the ret came back right before last boss died and left group. I asked why, they had no response lol. Sorry long post.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

That's funny. That's more how I would expect some one who dcs to behave after they return.

Who pick ups the axe! That ad is driving me crazy.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

?

I'm in mexico and we have noticed that when game is going to DC us when the guild is in raid the character starts running to like a safe area or sometimes when in dun geon release automatically and starts running out dungeon we even make the observation that thats like RIOT does on league

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

You are saying Blizzard takes control of your character when you dc lol!? Game absolutely does not do this haha

That first clip hurts, to brick a key to a bugged mob. As for the second, stuff happens. I've had a friend had to run to the hospital because his infant stopped breathing in the middle of a key. I've played with someone who had a panic attack in the middle of a key and couldn't continue. I've also played with a kid whose parents made them take out the trash in the middle of a key. Maybe something like the latter two occured, and they are embarrassed and lie about the power outage.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Hmm MAYBE. I don't see why you would lie if you have a legitimate reason, but maybe they are a kid and all that. Makes sense for sure.

His power could have flickered, causing him to lose power long enough to need to power everything back on. He may have believed that people would have probably left because of his dc so got upset and threw in the towel only to come back after a bit and realize people didn't actually leave.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Very possible!

I think one thing you have to do is also look at the context of when the player went offline. For that priest, he goes offline in the first part of the dungeon with only 1 death which normally would make me feel like he dc, but In my mind, he just got super angry that he died which could be the case because looking at the part of the video, he was still casting spells up to the point where he died and then goes offline right after. He still could of DC but its hard to tell really. I think once you reach like 12+ key level, its become unfortunately normalized to leave a key early if you dont think its going well. I DC once on the start of the 3rd boss of halls once as a healer and my team of pugs waited like 3 mins to get back online and we continued to still time the key. Normally if someone goes offline, i will sit around for a few minutes seeing if they come back, if not then i consider if the timer is failed or not

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

ya, well in this case nothing has happened yet to consider going offline haha. Either raging over something else, or a DC, I gotta believe.

This happened to me on a +8 uldaman, on bromach i knocked away the caster add and he fell off the map. it was funny and we killed the boss anyway, but it sucks that this can happen on other keys where it matters more.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Really an unacceptable bug. We were going to wipe to a floor issue lol...

Someone probably said something similar already: I live in a nicer area of Southern California but the infrastructure is still ancient degrading copper, so our internet goes out on a daily basis for 5-10 minutes at a time. When our power goes out it’s usually for less than 1 hour, usually early morning so it doesn’t heavily affect me. I just have to deal with blinking clocks on all appliances. I personally would be inclined to believe his story of the power.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Hmm interesting story. That's wild that you lose power regularly lol... I can imagine you are paying a lot to live there too.

@GrantPoutney

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yeah, we do and we do. Regularly & pay alot. One can speculate where our money goes, but it's still our quality of life. I've learned to game around it: "Do not game after 11pm PST, will DC."

My power has definitely gone out for around 20 min when a family member uses the microwave at the same time as the airfryer and flips the breaker, and then it takes time to get internet back up and running with power coming back on and then you gotta launch and log back into WoW. Maybe it's a special case because I'm the only one in the house that knows how to fix it, so I gotta figure out what happened and then take stuff out of my cupboard to fix, but yeah, all that to say, maybe it was just his house and not the grid in his area going down. That'd make it about 20min

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, I mean I have had that happen there. I guess its hard to identify that time, I was never the one to do it. My late father would always handle it, no idea what's going to happen now. But the power comes back and internet is back within probably a minute here. I guess some routes take way longer?

As a civilian, Volcanic needs a look. It’s tilting to have to cancel every other cast throughout an entire dungeon. Spiritwalk, Hover and Ice Floes have such high value this week. I have done what he did, btw. You feel guilt because you don’t have a great reason to bail, so you compulsively lie.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Volcanic is looked at as by far the easiest affix haha.

I typically don't care why someone leaves/dcs if they do in my groups and if they feel the need/get the chance to explain I don't care to read into whether they're lying or not. That being said I could see it going both ways. Actual dc: Perhaps he had the wrong gear on (perhaps an st trinket or maybe he has separate stat prios for raid vs dung, or even funnier if he had pvp gear on accidentally) or had the wrong talent set up/forgot to bring a specific talent for the dungeon so he stepped out to fix it since gear and talents cant be changed inside the key but you can step out to fix and come back in. After fixing his set up he has a minor power issue that resolves itself within 20 minutes and he gets back to finish the dungeon. Fake dc: Perhaps he's one of those people who's insecure about leaving the key so to disguise it he steps out (so he doesn't have to go through an extra loading screen when he comes back) then pretends to dc and waits long enough that he assumes the run would be disbanded then decides to log back in only for you guys to still be at it so now he feels he had to finish the run but in order to not look bad he has to claim it was a real dc and not just him leaving. Personally I don't like playing higher keys with 1 less dps especially in tyrannical weeks where I feel you notice the dps loss a lot more but I tend to leave it up to the group I'm running in and usually give people 5 minutes to reconnect in case it was just a short outage.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Really could go either way for sure.

If you or someone else uploaded the logs of that dungeon, you should be able to see if he actually ran out of the dungeon or not using the replay feature. Maybe he was just running out to change spec for a really long time like the meta is now lol

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I think he does run out to switch specs to be fair. But ya I know he ran out. We see him in Tyrhold after he releases.

I've done 8 keys with 4 people for a majority of the dungeon and still timed it. People are crest farming. They don't have time for 1 person to stop their farm.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ha, in progression keys its the opposite. People are farming disbands, they don't have time to let 4 people stop their farm.

Very very unlikely but it's possible someone popped the breaker that his PC and/router was plugged into and it took them a minute to realize what happened and reset it?

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Anything is possible haha

Hoi final boss is bugged. I have a lock I pushed with first two weeks after the 2nd Hoi we banned him from fearing the adds on that fight

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya just not worth it. Plenty of other Ccs if you need them. But we used to pull all four in season two just to save time.

Re that first video of warlock trying to cc the caster. We do that in our keys - successfully timed a 14. We usually cc two adds immediately to stop them casting otherwise it buffs the boss and then everything after that just hurts a lot more. I blame blizzards stupid bug for that brick, not the person that cast the fear, think they meant well. Second video re priest. My theory is they left the dungeon to try and respec and then dced to the loading screen boss. Coincidentally his power went out. Or he went to restart the router or something. Benefit of the doubt.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Oh ya, obviously that's a bug haha. Not his fault, but plenty of other CC that can be used instead if needed. We used to fight all 4 in season 2 just for timer's sake so its really a luxury.

I’ve been in keys and my toddler has hit the power button on my PC. Very frustrating in the moment lol

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I could imagine haha

Mage blink can put your character below the ground too. Gave me a good scare the first time.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, I have heard about that.

This HOI- bug happened to me as well, two different times

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, its pretty common. But you have to have the mob run to a certain spot so you have to get "unlucky" for that to happen on its own.

Ran a +2 aa, first key as a tank, key holder(arms warrior from azerlon) dc twice and had massive lag for most of the key, every one stuck around timed it,

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear that!

We did the gauntless to get back to 2 mobs completely missing. We killed two and then had to suicide to swirlies in the hallway to restart the fight. Bricked key.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

huh?

@anon12549

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro Same boss that has the 4 adds doesn't spawn 2 of them in some of my keys. Has happened multiple times to my group.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@anon12549 oh I understand now. You are saying two of the four spawned underground or something and weren't killable?

*giving im the full benefit of the doubt* could of ran out to repair and when i have a power cut even if its very unlikely it will happen again im nervous about turning my pc back until until im "sure" it wont cut again so could of been giving it time to see if the power went again then could of gave up/ assumed they key disbanded while he was gone after a bit so wasnt in a rush back

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

That's interesting. What just to protect against surge damage?

In the place i live in power goes down anywhere from 2mins to 5 hours so everything is possible

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

How frequently would you say that happens to you?

True story during BFA I was doing an 18 mechagon with 1 friend and pugs and the key was going so smooth I dc'd during gunker and lost internet for 2 hours. I texted my friend trying to get on and he said they would wait for me they ended up waiting the whole 2 hours we did the deranked key and we still now play together today and the only person that was shocked was me haha.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

That's awesome, they were just chatting away chilling for two hours?

@LazyLautrec

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro yea they just sat in the key and hung out till I got back

I think some people go offline immediately due to some social anxiety. I have heard people say they don't want to get a whisper, especially if the key is dead due to a mistake they made, so they just instantly go offline. I think most people will still usually leave the key first, because like you said if you're planning on coming back online in 15~ minutes it's gonna be even more awkward at that point if you're still in the group. I will admit, based on him zoning out and then going offline it originally felt like he was rage quitting. When he came back and said "power out" I'm relatively inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt at that point. Maybe he starts noticing some power issues like flickers, looks away for a minute and dies, and then zones out and is going to type to you guys something about his power issues and then it hits and he loses power before he can say anything.

@MrShadowmario666

Ай бұрын

i try to be nice about it

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, it could go either way for sure. I just don't see him staying in the group for like 5 minutes after he comes back if any of that is the situation.

Power is very rarely out for more than 20 minutes where I live.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Power is very rarely out PERIOD here. If it is, its either because of something stupid that will be fixed very quickly, OR its because the infrastructure has been damaged, which is basically how power goes out here, if it does. A tree falls on the lines. The lines snap due to wind. A car hits a pole, etc. I have never had the power go out without some sort of damage to something, and it just be restored without something needing to be fixed. And here, you can count on the government to fix things as slow as humanely possible. The sewer backfilled with rain this week, and toilet paper was running down the street, all over my car. Took them 2 days to fully fix it.

@VDHmain

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro That's unfortunate. It's nice that you give people the benefit of the doubt, I tend to do the same to and wait to see if people will come back. I've 4-manned my share of keys and those are usually memorable.

I would always give the benefit of the doubt that people have DC'd rather than rage quit. If he is doing low dps and failing mechanics but the rest of the group are willing to continue and carry him through then that's a huge win for him so I see no reason to leave. I used to have shit internet and it would randomly go down for 5 - 40 mins out of nowhere. On the other hand its a sus situation.. I think in this case he probably did leave manually and expected the group to be long since disbanded when he logged back in and when it wasn't he was caught off guard haha. Another good vid bro. Always look forward to hilarious M+ moments.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, it could really go either way. I often give the benefit of the doubt simply because how easy it is to leave and how normalized its become, so why hide it.

The Priest's power could have went down for 5 minutes and took the modem and router 10 minutes to reboot. I don't think it was intentional Also he probably just accidentally walked out of the dungeon after releasing and then his power goes off

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Its possible, but that seems like a very long time for all that.

I rather give someone the benefit of the doubt and call it a day. The real story in this vid is you found 3 other people still willing to finish the key. Thats a legit unicorn. Also what are your thoughts on blizzard adding a deserter count or percentage to a players io? No debuff. no penalty. Just sort of a buyer beware indicator where you can get a sense of the reliability of a player to finish a key (intentional or not).

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, really shocked they wanted to stay that long haha. In terms of debuff, the best way to do that is simply show the stats publicly like how I compile them. Right now on the raiderIO addon, you can see how many keys they have upgraded, and their score, and their highest key for that dungeon at a glance. It needs to show all of that AND their total amount of keys entered vs finished. All just factual stuff, but it lets the player decide who they want easier. Problem is, Blizzard does not have an API thingy for when the key STARTS. Only when the key is finished. So no addons or websites can tell any of that without user submission. Even logs don't show it.

My group wiped once last season and by complete coincidence I lost internet at the same time. Felt terrible knowing everyone probably thought I'd ragequit. Came back ten minutes later to the group still running the key and we finished it. No idea to this day if anyone believed me, but yeah, stuff like that does happen. 🤷‍♀

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Actually funny you say that, because I had something similar in legion. Was running a low Maw key with guild mates, and everyone died to last boss, which I can easily solo save as a blood dk, but because we were going to double upgrade I said, I'll just wipe and give them another chance to learn it. I even said "oh no worries guys, we have plenty of time to upgrade this still." And as I finished the sentence my internet just goes out and doesn't come back. They all thought I rage quit haha

i only tank keys, sometime power goes out, internet goes out, but its rare, like 1 out of 100 keys, but i dc alot, and most the time, it is less then a min to log back in and group disband. but i understand you cant continue without the tank.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya either short or very long seems normal. This does not haha

The way it works is guilty until proven innocent in mythic plus. Dying because of a skill issue then running out of the dungeon is two strikes. Power went out is just shame after they notice that the group didn't disband.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

That's simply a pessimistic way to look at it, but I don't blame you. The question I have for you is, why would he not just leave the group like the hundreds of other players who do this? What is the benefit to logging off when its so normalized?

Perhaps he went outside the dungeon to change Talents. But maybe he meant that his Breaker Blew and that could mean he'd only be down for like 20 mins while his router and everything Reset.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, I was thinking he might have changed talents, because his dps was very low for those packs.

I live in jamaica, and yeah, 20 mins is deffo a thing sometimes.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Oh ya, well at least ya have the gorgeous beaches!

I just got a new computer. My old computer could run every game at ultra settings just fine. I was running wow at med settings and it would randomly shut itself down while doing m+. Thankfully my new rig has been stable and lovely.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

You mean the computer would blue screen or something?

@scuttlebut

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetronope. Would just hard power down.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@scuttlebut That's scary. Something wrong with the power core right?

@scuttlebut

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro I gave up trying to figure it out. I heard wow uses more cpu than gpu for rendering. I may have had something wrong between the cpu and the power supply. Either way, a hefty investment in a new rig and everything is happy except my power bill :)

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@scuttlebut ya no doubt glad you figured it out.

I feel allot of people don't understand the many variables on how some people get "high rating" ect. Often we use that to determine our best chance at a "Decent" player. But, having been in a few guilds I've observed allot of people "freinds" getting carried. And this actually happens, allot. Then when I'd go to do a dungeon with them their damage would be terrible, and getting hit by things. In the last 4 guilds i was in, I saw this happening. And it happened allot. Some people also pay IRL money to get carries. For some people spending 40-80 bucks a week on wow is literally like 5 bucks to them. There are so many variables that are at play on why someone isn't as good as their score would indicate them potentially being. This however is one reason that I've seen, countless times to remember. Aside from things like that, Blizzard should have already fixed that glitch. it's embarrassing. It's literally just a bordering issue. Very simple fix they could do in likely 5 minutes. I've worked on WoWs engine on a free server before with terrain morphs, it's very very simple.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Wait until you see Mondays video on that topic. Gonna really make you scratch your head haha

@TheRandomDude-qy1ev

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro I look forward to it One senpai!

Seeing that you reply to practically every comment you must read them. Just wanted to say you ate my favorite WoW KZreadr! :) Thanks for doing what you do

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I ate him!? Who was it, sorry about this. Or was it a typo!? If so, thanks so much for taking the time to leave a kind message like that. Means a LOT.

@Blackfingers666

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro lol definitely a typo!

You are correct 100% the priest chances of coming back would be above 50% and that’s enough to continue, and him dc for a bit isn’t enough to brick it especially on a 13, if he was dc for a while on say a 15-16 key then yeah it’s probably bricked as killing stuff obviously going to take way too long with 4. But sadly so many bad players to just stuff up early in a key multiple times and then just altf4 :(

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, lot of people just give up at the earliest spot they can. Really sad.

@sodawow1602

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro blizz should bring in a vote system in mythic plus and if someone majority say yes to ending the key then that person can leave, and if you just leave without the vote you get a 30 minute deserter debuff, something like this would be great

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@sodawow1602 they could., but it would require a queue system like we have for lfr etc. There would need to be rules for forming the group to have rules for ending the group. I firmly believe we are getting a mythic plus soloQ though.

@sodawow1602

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro do you think mythic plus solo queue would be match made for your io score?

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@sodawow1602 at this point idk what they would do honestly.

Still seeing people doing higher keys than they should be. Gets extremely frustrating healing groups that have no business doing higher keys instead of learning in low keys.

@kileNoe

Ай бұрын

Broooo i feel that! Like how some groups barely take any damage and im happily pumping dps and maintaining heals. Other groups its like they dont use defensives, utilities, self heals and stabd in everythinf

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Absolutely, but you are seeing them being punished for it right? Wait until you see Monday's video man. Its gonna make your head spin.

I dunno, I don't want to hurt ppl's feelings when I ditch them because they suck, so I just tell them there's an asteroid headed to my planet.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Which one do you live on?

Hes lying, the game will not force you out of the dungeon because it senses your power being down

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

He absolutely ran out on his own obviously. Like I said, he is outside for maybe 30 seconds before it registers he is offline. So basically, run out, loading screen, sit down and log out.

Good point about being carried. I run into all the time in other games like League. If people are willing to carry you to just finish the game/run. Push the ego aside and be carried its a free win/complete just do enough to not make it impossible. Why go through all these steps just to leave lol Prob won't ever see these people ever again why be scared and need to lie. Besides the fact it was right at the start it wasn't going to make or break anything hence if he would of just came back they were good on time.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Oh ya, we were nearly good on time without him haha. This was an easy upgrade if he didn't DC, and no additional issues occurred obviously.

Is still strange too walk out of the dungeon then randomly disconnects. Idk just is very strange, maybe got mad at himself left came back and is saying sorry about that but not explaining what hes sorry for I guess.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

ya could be he had a fit of rage, but quickly settled down? Idk its up in the air.

The other dqay, me and the lady was running a 4 AA, Silly druid tried to tell me how to pull and what to pull and when to use Hero. THE DUNGEON DIDNT EVEN START YET! Lol. Aint even put the key in lol. Needless to say i ignored him. So, he decided to run right next to me as i pulled and was attacking before i even hit a button. They did this the entire dungeon and at the end, he said YW for the carry. Dude literally got carried by me and the heals. they were pulling ahead, not letting me get aggro and just running around being a dick the whole time. I kept them in the group just to prove a point to my Women. You can't heal or fix stupid. EDIT; Oh i looked him up in armory, im pretty sure he was carried through 8's and that 11 they did based on how they played in my completion group Imma blast his ass right here, Ungabunga Balance druid.... Yes idgaf look me up, IM motha fkn BRUTATIUS SON thrall bitches!! Look me up cuz i could care less about yalls opinion cuz i know i suck.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Those are the ones you wanna record and send in!

You never know if someone is honest or not. However, nothing too bad happened really to make a ragequit 'reasonable'. He came back, even after a long time and apologized about it. Maybe his reason is not real, but that could be his way of preventing people from getting mad at him. It's very well possible that his reason for leaving the dungeon was that he might needed to repair or change talents and when leaving the dungeon something went wrong (game crash or whatever). Perhaps it's me trying to see the positive in people. But like you said, when ragequitting why would he not leave the group and why would he even come back? Bottom line is whether he's lying or not is impossible to say really, but in this situation I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he had some power outage, internet outage or maybe he had a sudden Windows Update? Who knows.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Well said! I think the most likely way he isn't lying is that he is young and my parents yelled at him or something like that.

i think he is lying. the duration of disconnect is sus. my money is old pc had a windows or driver update, it took all the resources and left him unable to play until its done. bet he felt embarrassed coz shitty pc and he couldve avoided it if he checked the updates beforehand since he knew this was a possibility as this has happened before.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Could be very possible for sure.

hes lying for sure i have seen the my power is down alot this season and its always the muppets who die to a mechanic u can dodge and rage quit . also seems to be the excuse ppl use in higher key pugs at 15-16s ive had ppl use this excuse when they die

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

It just seems so hard to believe, because he comes back and sits in the group for multiple minutes as we try to kill the boss.

The floors in that dungeon have holes. Quite a few mobs can fall down, most likely of which are the Insects between first and second boss. Its wild.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Really silly.

He probably watching you on stream decide run out force you work harder for free upgrade

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Don't think that's it.

I think he's lying because he walked out of the dungeon first. When he first left, I thought maybe he was in the wrong spec and was running out to fix his spec and come back. He could be a kid. I think underestimate how many people in M+ are minors or young adults that live at home and could very well get the, 'get off that damn game and do your chores NOW!' where they suddenly and unexpectedly have their choice to run a key overruled.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, I hadn't really considered the "kid" possibility honestly. I bet that's it.

He ninja dc

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Was hoping for a bit more of a discussion than that honestly.

@leon03k

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro I see it all the time in pug, they screw up , die and they close wow to make it look like they dc. Probably cause they are embarrassed .

@leon03k

Ай бұрын

I just experience it myself after watching ur video, doing a +12 ruby. first boss, shadow priest dies to the vortex , suction mechanic . Just me the tank and a dps up, kills the boss, shadow priest “dc” doesn’t return, we call it

I mean there's no evidence they're lying so they're to be believed, I think that's how we should operate in life in general. Not sure why people are making so many weird assumptions in this comment section. If my power even flickers enough for my modem to shut down it takes several minutes for it to reactivate. My internet goes down regularly for 10-15 minutes at a time and my power goes out 4-5 times a year, this is not unusual.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I think its silly to assume he rage quit too. There is no reason to do it after one death on tryan week.

i think hes lying reason: wow people have big ego and feel really bad if they are preforming badly and its like a stab in the heart if u die to something that u can just avoid or kick and out of embaresment they will leave before people can say something about the bad preformance i think this is 90% of people leaving my keys cause its super rare that someone that is preforming superwell leaves its always the guy that perma dies, dies to frontals, dies to fall dmg or some other stupid simple thing

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Very possible, I just don't know why he would sit in the group for that long after he comes back.

I don't think the guy is telling the truth honestly, it seems a bit too odd for a power outage, first he did 0 damage on that pull, then he dies to something very avoidable, after that he exits the dungeon and has a power outage. The timing seems a bit too perfect. I think he left because he felt embarrassed or something, and when he thought the run would have surely ended by the time he came back it was still going on and he decided to apologise and play it out, which takes courage. 99.9% of players would have went offline again. Or, I could be completely wrong and he just had a power outage at a very unfortunate time, anything is possible.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Ya, would be a WILD coincidence if that all happened like that. But I just don't see why anyone would act this way, given all the things happening in the game.

@her0268

Ай бұрын

@@heythereguysitsMetro I honestly don't know why he acted the way he did, maybe he felt bad for leaving and decided to come back, and he apologised, or he genuinely had a power outage. But I'm leaning towards him lying a bit just so he doesn't look guilty. At the end of the day, it is the internet. People lie for all kinds of reasons.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

@@her0268 it's easy to lie for sure.

Genuine question- I have been watching your channel on and off for a few years and I every time I watch one of your videos it seems like someone leaves a key you’re doing or someone dc’s. It may not be the case for every video or stream but that’s the impression I get as a viewer. After watching this video I got kind of irritated on your behalf and wondered how you would continue to PUG when this happens. Why haven’t you found likeminded people who will grind keys with you? I would think that by now you have a healer and 3 DPS that will go through hell. The whole reason I’m even asking is what you’re doing, I’m about to do as a Healer. I haven’t played WoW since MoP and don’t know anyone so I’m going to have to PUG. Your experience seems deflating and - question 2- why do you still do it? With respect.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Well get the obvious out of the way. It would be bad business to stop pugging right? Can't hide that fact, this channel generates my primary income, and people love seeing the funny and often wild Mythic+ pug scene. Past that, I love it too frankly. Its very frustrating quite often, but so is all difficult content in games right? But once in a while we have these absurd and hilarious moments that you will simply never see outside of pugging Mythic+. That alone is worth it, and how this all started. But directly, you said "Why haven’t you found likeminded people who will grind keys with you?" This is a very nuanced question, but I'll try to give the best answer I can. 1. Because I play at very suboptimal hours. I play during US work hours, weekdays, some times as early as 10 am. Over the years, I have never been able to find anyone who wants to / can consistently play at those hours. 2. Progression goals are variable. I play purely for fun, am am not going to change what I do unless it makes things more fun for me. This is not typically conducive to a set schedule / team. People will want you to switch specs, adjust routes, and the like, where I just prefer to do the best I can and grow as an individual first and a character second. And most importantly, 3. While streaming, I like to interact as much as I can with the chat. This would make interacting with my group in discord impossible. Maybe there would be people out there who want to do a dedicated group without discord, but I do not expect that to be a popular idea. but ya, tldr, pugging is my favorite, and I do it because its fun, profitable, and expediant.

1. Surely a power outage is unexpected, so why does he exit the dungeon instance for it? 2. Power out for 15-20mins? Thats enough time for someone to ragequit, cool off, and log back in.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

I'm thinking he went to go switch talents, because his damage was very low on the opening packs. But I suppose it is enough time to snap, recover, and then totally be calm about it.

It seems like he hearthed and then logged out instantly due to being inside of an inn. After that he logged back on and saw the group was still together instead of disbanded and made up a lie. People going offline is waaay too common sadly.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

He was in tyrhold when I saw him, so no hearthing.

Lying. If it was a legit D/C. His char would stop moving get hit by the AOE die and stay dead like that as everybody tries to res him to no response. He's lying cause he hit release , then walked out of dungeon.

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Hmm I'm not sure those would be the reasons. But I do imagine he is lying. Just not really seeing a good reason too. Others said he may be a child. Seems likely to me.

This is not a good season!!

@heythereguysitsMetro

Ай бұрын

Season is great, but players are not haha