For the DMT example starting around 8:00, wouldn't the key be Gmin(IImin, Vmin) instead of IVmin? Loved the video btw!

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

100% yes, you caught a typo! It should say Gmin[IImin, Vmin]. Good catch

@koraxys6840

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanLeach Hi! And Dm should be v(0) instead of iv(0) right?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Ah damn, yes it should. I hate that there’s no way to amend a YT video!

@Spicii9896

2 жыл бұрын

what song was this example?

@sl8748

Жыл бұрын

Joe Rogan joined the chat

I was watching an American KZreadr play one of their own songs on piano and i thought it sounded very very Japanese, but couldn’t figure out why. Later found out he went to music school in Japan.

@flyingfox3296

2 жыл бұрын

What video did you watch? It sounds interesting.

@Remour

2 жыл бұрын

I want to know too

@vascosanchez

Жыл бұрын

What's the video?

@indianruckus6412

Жыл бұрын

Bruh you really left a cliffhanger what’s the source?

@CharlieFisherMusic

11 ай бұрын

brev

I've always wondered how some of the music in Breath of the wild felt so magical and I think this might be it. Thanks for the video, really interesting stuff.

That minor part of "one summer's day" is the music equivalent of looking back at what you're leaving one last time.

Man the spirited away music always gets me. It’s like this beautiful bittersweet nostalgia and adds a whole new dimension to the movie

I wonder if this is the reason so many sad Japanese songs are such bangers, the idea of introducing major poles into sad / minor songs is ingrained into their culture.

I love it when I get the opportunity to think about harmony in a different way. Thanks!

OMG I was thinking about buying these books but I'd prefer to see if someone on the internet knew about them. And I couldn't find any info. And now, finally, one of my fav youtubers is doing a video about it. THANKS

@chaheedtv

Жыл бұрын

I have the book

I always heard DMT would expand my mind, thanks for this!

New sub! I really appreciate hearing theory being explained like this because I trudged through my studies when I was younger, just enough to pass exams, and admittedly retained way less than I should have.

Glad I came across your channel! I have a very basic understanding of music theory and the format of your videos is helpful and interesting!

This reminds me of jazz, where you often do II V I changes in different keys (often relative/dominant/subdominant but often not). It also reminds me of modal change like that in jazz, but it is often one chord at a time (like in Herbie Hancock's Cantaloupe Island) (Modern jazz also changes around even more). Also, great video, it's really interesting and opens up a lot of ideas.

Man, this is super interesting. I'm certainly going to check that book and I look forward to more videos on the subject. On a side note, I've recently had your channel recommended to me and it's honestly one of my favourites. I've been binging your content for a while now and I still have a lot more videos to watch. Thank you for all the knowledge you share.

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Nice, that's awesome to hear. Many thanks to whoever recommended my channel!

Just awesome!! Excellent content. I’ve always loved the way multiple tonalities are incorporated in Japanese music, from their film music to anime openings and J-rock. Thanks for making it easy to digest!

For the longest time I have wondered the music from Cardcaptors , especially the Cardcaptors S2 Purachina/Platinum theme sounded so awesome. I was able to trace some of the mystique to Bossa Nova, but couldnt find similar progressions anywhere. Thank you for referencing the book!!

This is the second video i've watched of yours and i absolutely love your channel

I've been trying to figure out this Japanese chord thing for so long I am really grateful to you for making this video.

This was excellent and so informative and helpful, as is this channel. I'm glad I found ya!

This video is extremely interesting, thank you so much for making it. I've adored One Summer's Day and always been entranced by the way it flows outside of its key so effortlessly when I was learning it, I remember searching all over for Hisaishi's secrets, I never thought there'd be a video that so heavily delved into the concept not only, but the same song even.

Loved this, Ryan! I didn't notice that One Summer's Day could be described using this framework. I also quite liked your original examples.

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I wonder if anything could be described with this analysis method. Coltrane? Beethoven?

This is incredibly helpful. Thank you so so much for making these kind of videos.

📘 Check out the book: amzn.to/3Kh6l5z

Great vid. its so funny to me bc it sounds way easier in my head to hear it borrowed from phrygian (as this helps ascribe its effect to me), but to you it was easier to hear it as borrowed from a subdominant key. love how we all have different ways to see music theory things

Dude - you are speaking right to what I needed. Thank you!

Loved this! Looking forward to the next one!

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'll keep at it!

Love these types of vids! Can't wait for your deeper explanation of the 3 diff types of MT's and the Gavin collab! Cheers!

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll probably space them out a bit, probably next week will be small ternary form.

@tommynguyen7718

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanLeach Can't wait

Awesome video and generally amazing and very useful channel man!!! I can't wait for the follow ups on this because I still can't help to try and explain some of these chords in a more typical fashion. For example in the piece starting with Gm7, I tend to see the Cm and Dm chords as subdom and dom of G but I still can't explain that A7 in the end! Thanks for the videos once again!

This really feels like a giant leap. After learning all the established "rules" of the Circle of Fifths and chord progressions, I come across this video teaching me how to "break" them.

Much gratitude Ryan for this very interesting video and for introducing me to these Harmony principles... I am looking forward to the following more in depth video explanation of the three key fluctuations. Kind regards and blessings, MaxT

Love your channel! I teach music theory and i’m going to talk about these concepts in my class! The kids will love it!

I found your channel while writing music for guitar and because of you my Keyboard/Midi comes in the mail today!! EDIT: Additionally, if anyone has good resources for someone familiar with theory but not as much with piano let me know. I'm a quick learner but also have about two hours every day I practice music so I'm not looking for shortcuts.

Great video Ryan. Never heard of this technique before and you explained it really well

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

🧑‍🏭👨‍🔧👨‍🍳i luhhhhhve this. Thank you so much for putting this up! This is gonna definitely help in structuring future writing and helps conceptualize a lot of what ive d trouble expressing

this is such a great book. and the examples are absolutely lovely. i had to read it literally 17 times but im finally starting to get it. its funny, its deprogramming a lot of the "rules" id taught myself from years of jazz piano and classical theory. in doing so, ive expanded my harmonic vocabulary in a couple of days in amazing ways.

This was super enlightening! really great

Love the suspended note in the 4th bar. 07:57 😊

Thanks for this video man

Just a detail: I appreciate that you framed the cover of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

Interesting. I really like the notation and am going to give it shot! Great way of thinking about how to add in some spice from semi ambiguous keys, without getting completely lost in the weeds. Shares a couple ideas from Neo-Riemannian theory.

Great Video. Never heard of the book, but definitely will give it a try because these techniques sound super interesting. Also I have to admit that when it comes to music theory I can be a little nerdy.

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Ha well then you’re in the right place

I have so much to chew on here. Thank you!

I always found the Pokemon Theme (japanese version) difficult to analyse... this helps a lot! It is really really eye opening.

i really would love to see you break down some of the techniques or theories behind the music of the NieR game series

one summer's day always makes me cry and this explained why

I feel like there's an easier way to analyse that Spirited Away theme, which is to simply see it as being in C major, but starting on the vi, and with then some mixture from the parallel minor a couple bars in. Still, very interesting theory, and I hadn't heard of this book before, so thanks very much for alerting us to it, and for all the great examples!

@ChizFreak

Жыл бұрын

You are actually correct (I go more into it in my comment on this video). Literally the song is in C major, to take this isolated section of the song and claim it's in A minor and then try to make sense of the C minor is a bit naive. It's way easier when you realize both A minor and C minor are closely related to C major (relative minor and parallel minor respectively), which is the main key of the whole theme and it's established in the music that precedes the bars he separated.

@Cherodar

Жыл бұрын

@@ChizFreak Ah yeah, I just had a look at your comment and totally agree--it does seem like a lot of making new words for things that already had words for them.

@wuzhexi4845

10 ай бұрын

@@Cherodar from my point of view, thinking in the way of multipolar tonality will make you contrust melody more smoothly, if you stay in the key of C major when borrowed chord is happening, you will find it is a bit troublesome to come up with melody since there is just a new scale going on. But when you switch your mind in those two bars when borrowed chord is going on and tell yourself that ok now my "do" is Eb, you will come up with more lyrical and smooth melody

@Cherodar

10 ай бұрын

@@wuzhexi4845 It's totally fine and good if thinking that way helps a composer to do a better job, but I don't think there's anything particularly Japanese about doing so (except insofar as a lot of Western pop music is completely diatonic these days).

@wuzhexi4845

10 ай бұрын

@@Cherodar thanks for the reply, and yeah, in terms of japanese music, one of my friends just coming back from a japanese music production college said that what they do is they extensively use modal interchage to compose music as well as the extensively usage of reharmonization, non-functional relationship, and of course, complex voicings such as upper structure to introduce tons of tension notes. I have read the two multipolar books and I would say, this book in nature, there is nothing new here, he just explained the thing we have seen in another way, but I still think this way may benefit me more or less in the future.

I ended up getting all three books by Kayano and dived into the first book. I'm so confused lol. Definitely gonna have to go through this slowly.

i just had so many revalations im off to go make music, htank you for this knowledge

This is really informative and interesting, thank you :))

Iv'e watched this video a few times and recommended it to others. It's very insightful. Did you also do the more detailed videos on each different type? If so can you please share the links to them? I couldnt find them. And thanks again for sharing!

I know very little music theory, but aspiring to write a song. Cheers for the lesson :)

Very interesting, if you consider One Summer's Day to be in C major instead of A minor then all the chords in measure 4-5 can be seen as modal interchanges and Gsus2 as the dominant to go back to C but instead it goes to Am (V - vi cadence), to me the tonal centre of the piece sounds like C.

I have always preferred to be open to the idea of multipolar tonality and relative harmonic rooting. I sometimes felt that pedantic teachers would get tense if one questioned this logic (we all must sometimes use oversimplifications to teach and I don't at all fault it really). Now I'm really glad more people want to acknowledge this possibility. The idea of a focused tonal center is one exceedingly common factor in popular music. The idea of a tonal center plus a defined and certain set of notes is helpful because it explains the majority of cases. But today there is commonly a flexibility in such a set of tones - like when borrowed chords come into play, or when in Blues when there is a "home" in a sense of Key, but momentary modulations as well as minor and major 3rds flexibly being used over each another. You can have that tonal center, but set of pitches can become changed, morphing into any of the "borrowed from related key" chords. Straying into multipolar tonality means the listener gets comfortable with the idea that there will be not just different available pitch sets, but multiple possible key resolutions. Its not that favored, like prog rock rhythmic changes are not that favored by the masses. But the possibility has been there. Probably it is used in film music if we stop and analyze it. Perhaps people will become bored with having a strong sense of key, they'll want to spread out their interests and I predict these kinds of changes will become .

Wow subscribed with reawoken interest for learning about music. Thanks man

i liked you bro, thanks for these content, i will watch and study your videos, you explain very well i've watched this gavin video years ago, I was trying to understand japanese music, and i learned a bit, but i'm new into this so it's difficult to understand everything could you make a video about berklee and your degree? do you recommend any online courses from there? i'm into soundtracks (animes, games)

Fascinating!

I will admit I didn't really follow what you were talking about, except that there is something irregular about the construction of music according to this jp music theory. but I appreciate any attempts I can find to better explain this music. I love the music from anime and games and I've never had any idea what goes into making that music.

The example for DMT reminds me of the Love Theme from Chinatown by Jerry Goldsmith

This video is going into my Japanese writing playlist. Thanks for summarizing this book. It was rather difficult to digest!... clearly, I didn't drink enough coffee!

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

I love that you have a Japanese writing playlist. And yea the book is a bit challenging..

Amazing video.

8:08 I really like this chord change

BTW, it’s still a good book (albeit some fuzzy terminology), and this is a great video as always Ryan. Keep up the great work!

@mattwallis1893

2 жыл бұрын

Author of the book is not Japanese though. Kayano Chino appears to be a pen name and is not a real Japanese name.

Okay. So. You and Gavin doing a collab made me scream like a little girl. I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I am sure that I can't wait for the video!

very interesting video Im learning a lot

please, make a video more in depth about the book

thank you

Glad I found you cuz I sure as hell ain't learning this from Fender Play lol

So, kind of weird comment, this is how I thought modulation worked. I never studied music theory (formally) and so when it came to integrating different ideas into my music, I figured the best way to do it was to move into a new key and then move back down to my original. For example, I explicitly lined out for a piece how I would move up and down the circle of fifths (C to F to C to G), and this made sense to me because it would be easier to "disguise" the transition. So many notes were in common that a lot of the "natural" relationships would help secure the introduction of my new notes. PMT though... LOL. I don't think I thought any thoughts that ever remotely reflected that. I DID, thanks to some prompting by one of your videos, write a piano piece that goes from F Major to C minor to C Major! Very amateurish but I am proud of it.

Your Video is very intresting already saw something similar in book Theory of Harmony Arnold Schoenberg he said something about the topic fluctuating tonality and suspended tonality and in another book Tonality, Atonality, Pantonality Rudolph Reti or Tonality, Atonality, Pantonality a study of some treands in twentiesh century music Rudolph Reti with subjects like Melodic Tonality, Fluctuating Harmonies, Moving Tonics, to me a example is Debussy clair de lune, it´s tonality but is there is some more, fluctuating tonality.

This is a brilliant form of analysis honestly. I feel like this is such a solid system. Have you ever experimented using this form of Analysis with things such as Bach, or Jazz? Do you think it would be as useful, or are the genre's too different?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it would work for Bach, he's probably pretty well explained with current music theory. But I'm sure there's plenty of jazz tunes that could be approached with this "key fluctuation" approach and might make them a little more logical than just strings of secondary dominants and ii-Vs

@Fiddlinphilkramer

2 жыл бұрын

I think you may be right! I am primarily a fiddler player and I am finding it remarkably good at analyzing unique fiddle tunes and such!

Holy crap this is so cool 🤩

I really enjoy 8bit Music Theory, where they dismissed this kind of harmonic shifting as Nonfunctional Harmony

But Am and Cm are such a long distance away in the circle of 5ths, wouldn't it make more sense to just call it the key that's a minor third away? Cuz that's the feeling it gives me when I hear these shifts... Awesome vid btw, got a lot of insight!

DMT is also the strongest hallucinogen, sounds pretty funky to call it that tbh

Hi sir what sample library (?) did you at 7:56 please ? Great channel BTW !

show more examples of songs that use this in your videos!!

Hey man! Got a question for ya. I've been analyzing J-Pop for a bit now and trying to wrap my mind around the music theory, I understand basic stuff like parallel/relative keys and what a modulation is, but when I see things like @4:12 "F is the flat 6 of A minor" I become confused lol. I thought it would be just the 6 seeing as F is already in the key of A minor. Do you recommend any books that would maybe bridge the gap for me in general? Not TOO basic (like triads or modes) but something that would be a good transition to be able to analyze tons of Jpop after

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

My original theory background is jazz. So in traditional music theory you just call the 6th chord "The six chord" wether it's F# in the key of A major or Fm in the key of A minor. But here I am explicitly saying "flat six" so you know it's an F and not an F#. Because what if I wanted the F chord in the key of A major, am I still supposed to call it a "six"? Saying "flat six" makes it clear that I mean a minor 6th interval above the tonic A.

@heyitsempyre7145

2 жыл бұрын

​@@RyanLeach Ahh that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clearing that up! do you recommend any books for music theory or chord progression analysis?

@aranyawaasii

2 жыл бұрын

@@heyitsempyre7145 for a very orthodox but approachable grounding in capital C Classical chord function i would recommend Seth Monahan's channel ... kzread.info .

0:18 THE SPICIEST WAS TURNT UPPP 😂😂😂 WOOOOO 🔥🥵

Would you be willing to release a full version of the piece beginning at 7:57? I really enjoyed it. Great video though.

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, here's a video with just that piece. It isn't any longer than the example though! kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6WgzpWGY87QaMY.html

@henrymoore2556

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanLeach Thank you. I’m not so good at understanding non-diatonic theory, but alongside longer examples it becomes easier for me.

There was this comment left by someone in one of Tommy February's music video called Love Is Forever. This person said that even though the song is supposed to be fun the song conveyed a sad feeling to him/her.

C is the major parent key of Am (relative minor). Cm is the route chord of C minor diatonic chords. I've heard of chords being "borrowed" from the minor equivalent, but its usually the major chords from the minor diatonic chords. Old man by Neil young is a good example, (D F C G), D and G fall under the D major diatonic chords (I and IV), where as F & C ( III & VI) are borrowed from the D minor diatonic chords, if Neil threw in a Dm it would sound okay I guess, this is maybe why the Cm works?. Apologies if my terminology is wrong/ confusing but this is how I would make sense of the opening chord progression.

That spirited away song hits hard when it's the 1st thing you hear at 7 in the freaking morning

Hi Ryan. Very good topic. Did you actualy realize the 3 video or not done yet. I cannot find them... thks

@RyanLeach

Жыл бұрын

So far I only got to one of them, which was this one that completely turned my year upside down: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYeWp7hucquqgco.html

Awesome! You got a sub from me! Can you do a video on city pop music? "Say Goodbye" by hiroshi sato modulates mid song. "Summer Breeze" by Piper seems to be borrowing chords aswell. Thank you! City pop is Japanese 80s.

I feel like the music in Super Mario 64, Dire Dire Docks, may also use this type of system but I haven't understood it well enough to know for sure myself.

@sdw-hv5ko

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was thinking about this! I think it's an example of DMT. The song starts in the key of G major and the chords move down in whole steps (Gmaj-Fmaj-Ebmaj). When you move a major chord down a whole step, it's the same thing as going to the subdominant of the subdominant, AKA the IV of IV; so in the key of G major the IV chord is C major, and the IV chord of C major is F major, making F major the IV of IV in the key of G major. So the main key of the song is G major, then when it hits that Fmaj chord it goes to the polar key of C major, which is the subdominant of the main key. The chord goes down a whole step, but the KEY goes down a 5th. It's an F lydian scale, evidenced by the B natural in the melody during that chord, and F lydian comes from C major. It gets interesting going from Fmaj to Ebmaj, because both use lydian scales. Eb lydian comes from Bb major, so you're going from the key of C major to Bb major. So here both the chord AND the key go down a whole step. Or you can think of the key as going down 2 5ths, aka going to the subdominant of the subdominant. I guess the book only mentions going up or down one 5th in DMT, but going up or down another 5th isn't too extreme, because the key is still fairly similar to the main key. Alternatively, the Ebmaj chord could be thought of as an example of PMT, because the key of Bb major is the relative major of G minor (the parallel minor of the main key). I don't know which framework for analyzing would make more sense, and I'm kinda rambling so I'm gonna stop haha. Ultimately the song sounds good because it fluidly moves between keys that are fairly similar but different enough to add cool colors.

If u haven’t already plz do a video on Indian music theory I feel like u will explain it really well

Very Cool...Lovely book cover....this is very similar to Bartok's AXIS yes ?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

It's been a long time since I went down that road, I'll get back to you on that but I think yes!

That's crazy man, I'm going to have to try DMT.

I love DMT, I use it all the time

Very good video! One question why is at 6:05 the F major a bVI?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Because at that point it's now being considered in the key of A minor. The VI relative to A is F#, the bVI is F natural.

@aspaire9920

2 жыл бұрын

@@RyanLeach So your seeing it as A major(pararell major) while being in A minor?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

No I see it as the sixth chord in the key. I come from a jazz harmony background where the root of the chord is made explicitly clear in the roman numeral. For example the chords in natural minor key are i iiº bIII iv v bVI bVII. If we called it VI it could be misinterpreted as F or F#, by calling it bVI it's very clear that we're talking about the chord a minor 6th above the root of A.

Which is it if the chord progression of Mousou Express is Am-G-F-D-Dm-Am-B7-E?

like it!

Just curious but, couldn’t the starting key in the section on DMT be considered Dm and doing iv to i? It would still be DMT by going through Tonic -> dominant -> subdominant -> tonic and the starting progression would share the same progression as the subdominant section. It would also help you to know that you have that E natural in the first part giving you that Dm feel Thoughts?

@RyanLeach

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion yes that’s how I would probably think of it, in the author of the book’s opinion no because they insist the first chord is I no matter the quality.

tried reading the book, it's kinda hard to understand. are there previous books needed? Could you make more videos explaining?

@ffinalttrip

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the book? I can't find it.. :/

@CosmosisArmada

2 жыл бұрын

@@ffinalttrip Amazon

@funicon3689

9 ай бұрын

you should probably read a primer on Harmony like Kostka and Payne first

I wonder, could this be expanded to have an explanation for the Thomas the Tank Engine theme, which constantly switches between C major and Ab major?

A lot of the music in this reminded me of the Angels of Death anime

One famous example that I think could be considered PMT is the Game of Thrones theme

Wow

I'm probably missing something but... Towards the end of the video, if you can use THAT many keys as you will, isn't it basically just "use whatever key you wanna use next" at that point? 🤔

¿How your tonic is Dm if the chord progretion is “Em7 - A7”? ¿Why?

Great video, I’m a bit confused though. At 4:30 it’s showing a flat VI in A minor but it’s an F playing. Shouldn’t that just be a VI rather than flat VI? I would think the flat VI would mean E major?

@RyanLeach

2 жыл бұрын

E major would be V. A 6th above A is F#, a b6 (aka minor 6th) above A is F. In classical harmony they don’t distinguish but in jazz harmony VI and bVI mean different things which I think is way more clear!

@MagicGuyy

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome thank you for the explanation!