She does have a beautiful voice. These people should be ashamed of changing her singing to make it sound mechanical. I'm enjoying your take of these clowns who think it sounds better with auto- tune. Thank you for doing this video Fil.

@militzamadrid462

2 жыл бұрын

... I remember this, and she got a genuine beautiful voice.

@charlesmcgehee3227

Жыл бұрын

Jesse Green I certainly agree with the core meaning of your post. However I don't see Fil as a guy that "takes people down". More than anything , he educates in a way that respects technology and honors performers. Faults, gifts and all. I'm really hoping I'm not offending anyone! I'd delete my post if that be the case.

"If I could turn back time.. " I would let Cher know not to use auto tune for her one song "do you believe". Cher is a wonderful performer and used auto tune correctly. Just for a cool sound effect. Musical mockery artists have abused this effect though.

@martinheath5947

2 жыл бұрын

The production on that record had nothing to do with Cher. The producers were messing around to find a way to make it more "distinctive", they stumbled on this gimmicky effect while experimenting, thought it sounded completely off the wall but cool and no one was more shocked/surprised to hear the mix than Cher herself!

@rdmineer1

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Cher used it only for effect, a novelty, like Frampton making the guitar talk.

@martinheath5947

2 жыл бұрын

@@rdmineer1 It wasn't her idea, she knew nothing about it until it came out as the finished item.

@rdmineer1

2 жыл бұрын

Should have sued for defamation. It insinuates a person can't sing.

The X-Factor audition is clearly heavily processed. AND NOT just autotune! The rehearsal audio is very clean. All I hear is a little reverb, and it sounds like natural reverb from the reflectivity (hardness) of surfaces, like walls, in the room. It is very accurate. As with (almost) anyone singing unaccompanied, she is using natural, rather than equal, temperament and is self-correcting pitch using feedback. Where her vibrato ascends a quarter-tone (50 cent?} from "dead on" and then relaxes back into the pure tone, it sounds very natural and intentional. The vocal seems to have numerous little idiosyncrasies that echo some of the great singers who have made "I Will Always Love" the perennial hit it has been for almost 5 decades. It sounds far better than the TV performance. The producers 'shot themselves in the foot' by applying autotune and/or other effects in post-production. It's nonsense like this that led many of us to stop paying much attention to TV talent competitions several years ago.

Fil - ever considered doing an analysis of opera singers? It would be interesting to see how their pitch control compares to pop singers. It would also be a gas to hear an opera singer run thru auto tune. Or it could be very, very weird.

@cardinalflower6959

2 жыл бұрын

He has done Pavarotti. Check his channel video listing.

@NickSBailey

Жыл бұрын

my gut instinct is there would be almost as much variation off perfect as a pop singer, I know I can hear sharp and flat notes in opera singers all the time

She has a beautiful voice & doesn’t need auto tune 🤘🏼😜

My Niece, who is a good singer, used to sing unintentionally in Auto-tune style singing Disney TV show songs where the performers were Auto-tuned or at least pitch corrected. Because that's what she thought the songs were supposed to sound like.

@sargondp69

2 жыл бұрын

Not the worst of Disney-666 crimes [p] but just more reason to (auto)tune them out of our lives.

@GaryJames864

2 жыл бұрын

You mean she sounded mechanical? Had perfect pitch? Or she had an annoying phase shift to her voice because she was singing on pitch and off, both at the same time.

@pgklee

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryJames864 Sounded mechanical (hollow)and robotic. It was acapella with her head voice so the pitch was fine (as far as I could tell as she would choose her most comfortable key). She was manipulating her vocal chords and mouth to get that effect, it really was awesome, her Mom and I both Chuckled I asked her what she was doing. she said " that these guys are really good singers (to be on a TV show), she was 11 at the time, and she wanted to sing just like them" Her Mom said "you sing better" and dropped it.. I don't think up to that point she even knew what Auto-Tune was.

@Gainn

2 жыл бұрын

When you have a reference point of how something 'should' sound, it's much easier to emulate. Loads of people can do a pretty solid interpretation of the autotune 'snap' with practice.

I remember watching her first audition... The judges were stumped at her vocal ability?? Stunning indeed.

Thank you for this. I don't watch the "talent shows". Aida has such a wonderful voice that producers should leave alone. Auto tune should be banned from the whole industry!

A few years ago, I saw a friend of a friend's daughter who was studying at Juliard do a small charity jazz gig. The band played acoustically and she sang through a small combo amp that I know had no effects. Her voice was astounding, but what floored me was her 'party trick' where she imitated the whole 'pitch corrected' sound. Possibly something she had done all her life imitating modern songs.

I can’t stop watching these wave form videos. So interesting to see what a ‘great’ voice sounds like and looks like in wave form

This reminds me of my grandma's catchphase - " I heard it with me own two eyes !"

@lynndow3185

2 жыл бұрын

Made me smile!!

@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger

2 жыл бұрын

😹 Fil’s eyes definitely likey likes.

I’ve seen this Video, I have it saved as one of my favorites… glad to see you reviewing it.

I agree totally she sounds so much better without that auto tune. Shes a great singer

Man, thanks for spending so much time and effort to make these videos! And it's such a pleasure to see the appreciation in your expression as you listen to such wonderful singers! :)

I love these little lectures. They surely give food for thought, which has gotten me into thinking a lot about tone quality and "perfection". How humanity has turned art into industry and measure perfection as the ability of copying in exact measures. But copying is not art, so where have we ended up? Having played around some more with the mobile app, I come to a few conclusions about the quality of a voice. Measuring tones of voices is even a method in some health analysis. The more tones your voice consist of, the better health you have. So striving to have a "clear" and mono tone is striving for illness in a roundabout way. I also notice that my own singing is sounding more interesting for the ear if there are inconsistencies and flourishes in the app's lines. Ergo, using devices like these may make us direct our intention in the wrong direction, art-wise. Striving for exact and straight lines in a machine is "death". I'd love some analysis by Fil on Indian ragas, where "tones" are cascades of trills and combinations.

I've been waiting for this one!!!! Thank you! 💖

The first part she is absolutely using auto-tune but it sounds like she is back-feeding and/or adding Tremolo too. The back-feeding might come from the re-recording from the TV but unless she can throat-sing it really sounds like there is an excessive amount of tremble in her voice, if its real? WOW, just WOW! I do however have to admit I really love her voice, she should be much more popular than she is! Oh, and it sure does have that "tunnel" effect like auto-tune.

I saw the original audition a few times over about the last year. She was a 29 year old cashier when she went on the show. It’s worth watching she just shines. It was on “X factor global” or “X factor Ukraine” I was so glad to see you do this particular performance and I wondered How she did on the show I’m glad to hear she won. The phrase the judges used when they stoped her from singing With the back up music was they thought she was lip-synching to the song and they thought it was “digitally processed” like in a commercial studio. The best part was when she sung A cappella when she finished she got a standing ovation and you could see the instant she realized the audience loved it. The look on her face is priceless. The show sounded much better then on this video because it wasn’t isolated I suppose. I’m not a musician or singer I do love seeing talent.

Hearing this song, it would be interesting to hear Dolly Parton on the pitch meter.

Your love and enthusiasm about music and all it's technical aspects is infectious . Your analysis is so interesting. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

Excellent analysis my friend. Your knowledge amazes me and I really enjoyed this video. Very well done.

Phenomenal analysis Fil - I learn so much from you - thank you so much - she has a naturally beautiful voice - so there’s no need for auto tune - I guess that’ what happens in a mass production environment like this... Happy 2020 Fil - looking forward to learning more from you - thank you for all you are doing...

That audition was puzzling because she still sounded autotuned even when singing acapella. Thanks for clearing that up. She is an amazing singer, nonetheless.

I'm so glad you addressed this audition. I'm in the U.S. so, not understanding the language, I really couldn't tell what was happening. She should have won. Outstanding explanation! Thanks for the amt of research you put into this.

Liked that you not only explained WHAT these producers were doing but WHY.

Happy New Year Fil! I hope you're having a great one so far! I'm glad to see you're continuing these analysis'. She a has a great natural voice.

I saw this in compilation vid. They said she worked at check out in supermarket. I immediately went shopping.

Ok now... Y'all sent me on a rabbit trail with Fil's x -factor audition and appearance on the show. Increased my appreciation you, Fil. Loved it. Concerning Aida, was mesmerized by her voice on her audition even though it sounded a bit processed.

This is why I like older music that hasn't been autotuned. Just like everything else these days has become unrealistic, artificial and unobtainable.

Well done, Professor, you are so amazing! I very much appreciate your superior music knowledge! And I thoroughly enjoy your explanations and teaching methods! Thank you!

NOT understanding her language, oddly enough, made it easier to hear and understand what you were pointing out about her singing. It seems very mysterious that they would decide to apply auto-tune to one so appealing without it. "X" factor, indeed. .........Hey! YAY! Look at you go with the 220,000 subscribers!

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

@Lynn Dow... and Fil of Wings of Pegasus reach 220,000 in subscribers naturally without the help of Auto-Tune on his voice 🤭

@lynndow3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewpall2598 That's true! But the interest in auto-tune sure increased the number fast! The first one on the topic now has 960 thousand views!

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynndow3185 You have a point there Lynn! I think that Fil points out all the little details in all of his analysis plan and simply whether it's auto-tune or guitar domos or singing demos. we can agree that Teacher Fil Rock's 🤘

@lynndow3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewpall2598 No kidding! I always love it when someone who has only seen analysis videos watches a live stream, sees an original or cover song and is so surprised at what an awesome musician Fil is!

@lynndow3185

2 жыл бұрын

@@konstantia1607 Haha!! Mais oui!

Awesome analysis.. i learn so much watching yiur vids.. i thank you for that

Take all the time you need Fil with these auto-tune pitch corrections videos until your wrist heal completely 👍🤘

I love listening to Aida. She has such a beautiful voice.

Great content FIL!

That was interesting. Thanks, Fil 🖤🤘🏽

She’s already amazingly beautiful!!!

J'avais vu en effet cette vidéo X Factor. Les doutes du jury ont été dissipés lors du chant a capella. Merci pour cette analyse très détaillée.👍👍👍

Thank you for explaining why we like, what we like. Nicely done.

Congratulations for 220k subs!

@wingsofpegasus

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Fil, I have become a big fan of yours. I love your vids. ♥️♥️

Sounds better without processing

Great Job Fil. Nice video

Great Video my Brother. ROCK!!!!🤟😀

There is such a clear warmth in her natural voice. Such a clear difference from the Tv adution. Wow. Is she adding the reverb or is that production? Makes me wonder if Nightbirdes adution was auto tuned. Im going to relisten. Ive learned so much from you. Thank you.

Smiles. Loved this video. Thank you for using the video that I referenced. She has an amazing voice. I love all your videos. To bad I can't sing.

@dwaynewladyka577

2 жыл бұрын

I can't sing either. My dad, who will be 92, this year, can sing. My cousin is a music teacher (singing), and is also a professional musician. Another cousin was in a choir, with his dad. I don't have the paternal genes.

That makes sense. The judges, actual singers, thought it was so accurate that it sounded like autotune. But the producers, who are not musicians, heard it and thought it doesn't sound like auto-tune enough, or that the public wouldn't agree.

It’s so funny that you analyzed this video because it’s been around for almost a decade but I just watched it again (for probably the 20th time) on Sunday.

Great content. ,Fils knowledge and humility very refreshing....

Judges: "You're using autotune" Artist: "No I'm not" Producer: "Wanna bet?"

Thank you for this. I loved her performance in that audition and I knew the judges were wrong when they thought she was lip syncing, but I could tell there was *something* going on. I don't follow the talent shows closely enough to have ever heard anything about them using autotune / pitch correction, but now it makes perfect sense. I appreciate the clarification.

I’ve watched her audition a few times and the judges stopped her and made her sing acapella as her voice sounded perfect like CD quality. They didn’t mention auto tune but looking back, her voice did sound processed. Her natural voice has much more passion than her “perfect” voice. I’m definitely a big fan of hers now! Thanks for the detailed analysis!

I was mesmerized when I saw this audition, and even though it did sound a little weird, I overlooked it because her voice was so beautiful. And yes, she is a GREAT singer. Great analysis, but it’s like you ruined my childhood Fil. 🤣

Right on, Fil. Auto-tune squeezes the life out of an expressive, quality voice.

It cracks me up that this video was prefaced by an advert for Autotune

@alvinscott6627

2 жыл бұрын

I’m shocked as well How are you honey?

Great videos bro, keep em coming. I kinda resent auto tune, as someone with an actual ability to sing.

@TroubleToby3040

2 жыл бұрын

Don't resent it. Celebrate it. It actually sets you further and more distinctly apart from others. It ENHANCES the appearance of singular talent.👍👍👍😉

@peterd788

2 жыл бұрын

I sing like a drain and even I resent autotune.

i would like to see you analyze the Iron Butterfly song "Most anything that you want " and see if you can figure out what Doug Ingle is singing. Instead of singing the printed lyric, he seems to be singing something else, but for the life of me, I cannot figure it out. The lyric in question is the phrase "is alright by me" but he appears to be saying something like "is alright by happy me". He is trying to match the lyric to the music tempo. It could make an interesting analysis of how singers modify words to fit the tempo.

Thx for the insights. I get the picture as far as post processing goes. Being much older (in my 60s) I’m also baffled by the whole “auto tune live” stuff going on nowadays with real legit singers (or folks touted to be), as opposed to an added effect like in hip hop & such. Strange days!

Spectacular voice. Again, a real shame they polluted it with auto tune. Great analysis and breaking it down. Thank you Fil!

On the "look away portion"? All I kept saying was, "Dead On, Dead on". Because she's dead on, regardless what the "lines" say. It's only when others get involved, that she needs vocal lessons.

LET US BE HUMAN NOT MACHINES ⚙⚙⚙

I think it may have been at least a couple of years ago when I watched her audition on a KZread video. If I remember correctly, she first sang with music and the judges made her stop and sing a cappella and she sounded the same. But, then I watched a couple of her personal KZread videos and to my ear anyways, there didn’t seem to be a great deal of a difference. No matter though, the lady is exceptionally good.

Thanks. Very interesting.

What you’re forgetting is that she uses the same microphone for a cappella and for the version with the music it was the microphone that was causing the mechanical sound because when you hear her seeing other clips the mechanical sounds completely missing! Have her sing without a microphone and then you’ll hear the difference

In Second Natural Voice Performance, every time Aida sang C4, it sounded like autotune. She was consistently hitting them a little flat then quickly tightening up to reach pitch perfect, creating phase shift that resolves to the perception of the pure tone. So listening to autotune is like riding a sound board that is constantly on the verge of feedback and intermittently producing unwanted SFXs. No wonder we all hate it.

Many people have "Perfect Pitch". Couldn't this be the case here?

You pronounced Aida correctly, because it is always pronounced A-i-d-a in all languages and #westandwithUkraine 💙💛

The franchise are the one's who got caught by their judges who picked up on some artificial sound manipulation that just didn't ring true for the expertise of the judges. When she sang a second time without the autotune it was still exceptional but natural. Have to compliment the judges for their sense of hearing. The singer wasn't complicit in the talent shows actions.

hey Fil. The ad that just played at the start of this video is for Autotune Unlimited. I kid you not!

Ah! I’ve wondered about that audition! I actually had to hunt that song down after I heard it and after that the movie it was in!

we have to remember that it is a tv show and they have to sometimes create some drama, some conflict or something awkward to create some tension in order to draw attention. But it just makes us thinking if the results of the contest is already decided since the beginning.

the thumbnail was hilarious!!! yes shes fine looking, but i say again YES shes fine looking

I watched her audition a few yrs ago and they had her sing it again. She has an amazing voice. The judges faces were priceless on this song . Definitely unique. ( Well done on your homework) .

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

Free Spirit With Nature... Fil always gets an A+ on his homework!

@freespiritwithnature4384

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewpall2598 Absolutely,I agree with you 100% . He’s so good at what he does . I remember her audition and I was blown away by her voice lol. The judges thought she was cheating. She’s incredible. Have a great night! 🤘

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

@@freespiritwithnature4384 thanks You! I haven't seen her audition but will have a look at it. 👍

@freespiritwithnature4384

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewpall2598 It’s actually really good,but the poor girl was stopped, they were convinced she was faking. Enjoy 😊.

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

@@freespiritwithnature4384 I just finish watching Aida's audition performance on the X Factor She sounded very natural on her second try without the music.

That was very interesting again. This singer has a great natural voice & is very accurate. She was singing the song Whitney Houston made famous "I Will Always Love You". It made me wonder if Whitney was ever auto-tuned or did she just have a great voice & range too?

@elizabethanderson4909

2 жыл бұрын

Did they have autotune back then?

@dagmar.6954

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethanderson4909 I think it came out in 1997.

@kathleenhudson8429

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t have auto tune then.

@kathleenhudson8429

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t have auto tune then.

Fil, I have one for you. Jennifer Rush singing "Stronghold". I'd love to see her waveforms. Also, there is a pitch shifted note she holds right before the guitar solo that has always intrigued me, because I don't think I have actually heard anyone else ever doing it like that.

Autotune, I feel, is very useful on, 4 example, a TV series that has episodes that have a musical component. It allows actors without good pitch, seem to sing perfectly in tune. For me, this adds to the quality of the overall show. It is pretty cool to see a good crew of actors actually appear to sing perfectly. Besides, I love technology and Autotune is a great "invention" . No different than visual special effects, right?

@NickSBailey

Жыл бұрын

it's more like sonic botox and plastic surgery than special fx, it depends if you prefer a face with natural expresions or a weird robotic plastic one, singing is the same, natural emotions or stiff and robotic. To my ears it's worse than going off tune.

If they can only make an internal-tune program that makes my voice sound externally like it does in my head, which is almost as good as Elvis. (Tone deaf my ass, I sound amazing to me).

@JohnSmith_1331

2 жыл бұрын

I'm always perfect in my head. I blame the recording technology, it just hasn't caught up to me yet.

You're a hero Fil for exposing how prevalent pitch correction is in the industry

I like her natural voice without the manipulations.

I've always wondered if that whole video was staged from start to finish. I don't think she was in the know because her reaction looks genuine when she was stopped singing - but if the judges knew what the producers were gonna do, and they were asked to do exactly what they did. Then the producers could edit the whole thing and really make a dramatic video which has been viral for years now :) which is exactly what you've pointed out! I've always loved watching that video anyways but I learnt so much from this video, your incredibly knowledgeable!! ...wow! thanks very much,

I had to check out you out on the X factor. It was great. I know you can sing so that threw me a bit.

Amazing…now I’m left with a desire for you to do this for my mothers voice….live vs recorded

Enjoying these videos Fil even tho some is above my understanding, i think its safe to say you dont always have to be perfect singer to sound amazing, i also think i must have the right “ears” lol as my favourites are the carpenters and abba

The xfactor performance probably sounded so weird because they stuffed up the auto-tune in some way. When she sings on her own remember some flatness is due to her accent affecting her English pronunciation.

I want to thank you for that absolutely Brilliant and Creative Work of art that is your Rock Opera. Your Rock PsyOpera. How Do I get an uncut, un censored version. It truly is a Masterpiece.

@sabong8903

2 жыл бұрын

My bad, pardon me.... You aren't Ace Baker.

It can be hard to be sure these days. I really do think there are up-and-coming singers who attempt to recreate the autotune effect by manipulating their own voices. On the other hand, it could well just be post-production tweaking.

Anyone can easily hear the electronic yodeling effect that auto tune always has. There is no way she can be doing this with a natural voice. It sounds like a yodeling robot.

OOOO a juicy one....ok..brb...need a coffee for this one...ipad and a ciggy....out to the back patio... oooo i would love to have a singing pow wow with you...used to talk to my Father about all that stuff...he died in 94 and boy i miss the chats...no really.... it would get VERY heated too....my mother was an opera singer and dad and I would yap and yap and yap and yap (mum would eventually bugger off to bed) and meanwhile, 4am and we were still "pontificating"

WAIT wait wait....I think we need more info about YOU being on a talent show Fil :D

Another great, entertaining, analysis video. Gotta keep busting this autotune tomfoolery!

I always love your videos and I mean this comment with all respect. Many people in Ukraine hate it when people say "The Ukraine" instead of simply "Ukraine". "The Ukraine" refers to a region in the former Soviet Union. The independent country should always be referred to as simply "Ukraine".

Auto tune spoils music.

When I wanted to see this video, guess which ad KZread presentet ... If you believe it or not - I was forced to watch an ad for "auto-tune slice"! 🤣

Yes I'll say that you are spot on about the reason for the drama around this. It was to generate clicks and views. Are you not entertained? 😉 She has a beautiful natural voice I can usually pick out auto tuned tracks but her manipulated audition video(?) , its hard to hear that because she has such a good natural singing voice.

Love all the details you point out in your auto-tune analysis keep up the excellent work Fil. by any chance would you know if the Ukraine version of The X Factor applied the same technic to the other singers on that season or just on Aida audition?

@wingsofpegasus

2 жыл бұрын

Anything is possible, but I don't know!

@drewpall2598

2 жыл бұрын

@@wingsofpegasus Thanks Fil for answering my question.

She has a stellar voice. Her tone is pure gold. Why would you want to ruin it with Auto Tune.

@rientsdijkstra4266

2 жыл бұрын

Because these producers are stupid?

I saw that audition on yt. I think the judges used the term "effects"

Autotune is the death of character. Love her untainted voice!💖

She has a very soothing voice and beautiful vibrato. 👍 Great series. Next perhaps Steve Perry? 😊

When one listens to a truly great singer, Adele, for instance, sings, auto-tuning would rob the very expressiveness of her voice. So much of the emotional expression is in the moving the pitch around the “actual” note.

@bontrom8

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. Early in my development as a musician I became aware that the idea of a note, or the implied goal pitch is achieved best not by achieving it exacrly, but by allowing tonal and pitch variation to guide the ear to explain the epic quest of the singer to follow a complex emotional trajectory. For example a note sung under pitch but dark in tone in a yearning manner as if reaching for it, or a celebratory note, sharp in pitch, but bright in texture: Such is true that both sound in tune, and both are completely ruined by snapping the pitch and tone to a fixed standard!