If you liked this video, you might also enjoy another we did doing a deep dive into how one actually became a Spartan Warrior and how their society really worked, which isn't exactly what popular media usually depicts. Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHearKyhqsXJp6w.html

@WINDOWS94198

Жыл бұрын

The existence of Jesus is in the faith of this Bald Man with Beard

@MrDavies2006

Жыл бұрын

​​He is not stating his own opinion. Just going through history .

@ayethein7681

Жыл бұрын

Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.

@nokoolaid

Жыл бұрын

His name was Yeshua.

@SamSung-nf6tr

Жыл бұрын

love reading the comments.

I’m sure this is going to be a lovely comment section 😂

@KKH92

Жыл бұрын

True!

@ydid687

Жыл бұрын

filled with incorrigible "people" from all sides

@SavageJunky

Жыл бұрын

C'mon... The Bible talk about love and forgiveness! Religious are never hateful! Imagine how hypocrite it would be...

@Berengier817

Жыл бұрын

Agnostic her.e Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven. I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff

@troyevitt2437

Жыл бұрын

@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.

The real question is whether Simon Whistler exists or is he just an elaborate AI...?

@DarkSnP

Жыл бұрын

He's perfect for just switching to full a.i KZread controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use

@Essjaythegreat

Жыл бұрын

I’ve actually never met him so he obviously mustn’t exist!!

@__mads__

Жыл бұрын

Simon Whistler is a sentient beard.

@ugh212

Жыл бұрын

There were no tangents so is the AI.

@thomasblazek4104

Жыл бұрын

I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)

I absolutely love how y'all kept using a picture of Obi-Wan.

@kakalit6253

2 ай бұрын

Ewan McGregor would be proud

@anthonyelledge7475

Ай бұрын

I mean, that is close to a lot of the paintings of jesus in churches... which is insane.

@james7133

Ай бұрын

That was definitly Obiwan. Do you think that was intentional?

@Nefylym

Ай бұрын

Came here to say exactly that lol

@cortexza7165

Ай бұрын

Hello there.

I've never seen Jesus or Obi-Wan Kenobi in the same room together. Coincidence? I think not

@jerrybanuelos2967

2 ай бұрын

I think you’re on to something 🤔

@leemacpeek2698

2 ай бұрын

Have you ever seen Obi-Wan at all. If you have i doubt your existence.

@jkh2180

2 ай бұрын

Wait 😮

@kerrynicholls6683

2 ай бұрын

@@leemacpeek2698 I have, I spoke to him. He was really interested in weird al song parody of America pie, the saga begins.

@64HomeMade

Ай бұрын

😂😂

I will always remember one of my teachers once saying ‘Oh Jesus definitely existed, its whether he was actually the son of god or not is the question"

@davidagiel8130

Жыл бұрын

Your teacher was wrong

@michaelpalmer7954

Жыл бұрын

@@davidagiel8130 Is this where Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate? kzread.info/dash/bejne/oH9-mKmJprG7l8Y.html

@endersdragon34

Жыл бұрын

I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.

@HandmadeDarcy

Жыл бұрын

It's the most common... how to put it nicely... obfuscation. 😂

@moonshoes11

Жыл бұрын

It’s more like it doesn’t matter if he did exist. It matters only whether their is empirical evidence for any supernatural claims. And there is not.

I just like the fact that the first photo you used of Jesus was actually Obi-wan Kenobi

@blessedveteran

Жыл бұрын

😂 I had to check and yup, thats him alright 😅

@VAXHeadroom

Жыл бұрын

A well known internet meme. Well played :)

@hanramz

Жыл бұрын

I saw it instantly, and for some reason it really ticked me off 😆

@BetterCallGatto

Жыл бұрын

Hello there

@levicaudell5001

Жыл бұрын

Jedi Jesus

Given that he's been in more KZread content than anyone could watch in an entire lifetime, I'm not sure Simon Whistler exists.

@misiu9049

3 ай бұрын

Im sure he doesn't know what he is talking about in half of this videos.

@TheDancerMacabre

2 ай бұрын

​@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts. He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery. But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy" It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host

@misiu9049

2 ай бұрын

@@TheDancerMacabre That is why I don't like this channels.

@BMichaelGalloway

2 ай бұрын

😅😅

@Yourmomma92

Ай бұрын

@@misiu9049he will literally say that it’s in his eyes out his mouth and normally not thought of again. It’s the point of a team of writers🤦🏻‍♀️

The only reason i clicked on this video is for the comment section

@robertrestivo

23 күн бұрын

That's true for _most_ videos.

@davexenos9196

5 күн бұрын

me too

When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition. Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.

@rainydaygaming5507

Жыл бұрын

😂

@kdub1242

Жыл бұрын

And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?

@the_once-and-future_king.

Жыл бұрын

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!

@wjbrooks19

Жыл бұрын

And Brian, the real messiah.

@flamingtp4947

Жыл бұрын

Always look on the bright side of life.

The fact that the editor used a picture of Ewan McGregor to introduce Jesus is so 👌😂

@otaku521

Жыл бұрын

@@nienie713 obiwan.... I am not going there..

@willywonka4340

Жыл бұрын

The thought of Jesus wielding lightsabers and have mind over matter powers (which clearly he has by walking on H2O) is a fascinating thought 😅

@yisusferro603

Жыл бұрын

I guess if he would dare to use a picture from..let´s say Luke Skywalker, to talk freely about Mahoma…

@billpii6314

Жыл бұрын

@@willywonka4340 Maybe the water was shallow.

@Vincent-2057

Жыл бұрын

Oh good. That wasn't just me then!

This video is asking for trouble 😂love the channel though. Love to watch this dude while I eat, helps me take the info in 🙃

Hold up.... I'm gonna need to know WAY more about Pontius Pilate being a kickass dancer.

@Nefylym

Ай бұрын

I hear he really nailed the superman

@cfhlogistics

10 күн бұрын

He was a pole dancer. He really nailed it

The picture of Ewan McGregor on the mantle as Jesus killed me 😂

@JupiKitten

Жыл бұрын

Same! 😂

@mikenapier3598

Жыл бұрын

Hello there.... .have you heard the good news?

@Re-bl5sr

Жыл бұрын

​@@mikenapier3598 Yes. Goodbye.

@estudiordl

Жыл бұрын

Taking the "high" ground concept to another level... 😂

@AussieWalkthroughs

Жыл бұрын

he is the master, borderline surrogate father of star wars Jesus.

The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.

@TodayIFoundOut

Жыл бұрын

Or perhaps more likely the other way where there are a ton of hugely important people in their times in history we have zero record of. -Daven

@brianfox771

Жыл бұрын

@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.

@wfjhDUI

Жыл бұрын

​@@brianfox771 The Jewish and Roman sources do describe Jesus in mundane terms.

@brianfox771

Жыл бұрын

@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.

@jackturner214

Жыл бұрын

@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.

When your strategic enemy has a vested interest in exposing your lie, and they don't, that's a very strong argument that it isn't a lie. It's the same whether we're discussing the Romans and Jesus, or the Soviets and the moon landing.

@alexcortez3357

Ай бұрын

moon landing was a hoax and we the civilians didnt need the soviets to expose it

@melissai8981

Ай бұрын

Right, why not just show everyone his decomposed body and expel the lies once and for all....oh, wait

@michaelmoore7975

23 күн бұрын

Why on earth would there be any evidence at all? Who would write about an unknown nobody doing the same as all the other nobody preachers? Why would anyone want to document something so insignificant? How many other nobodies were documented? His noteriety didn't come until much later. I'm surprised anything is written about him at all. The most attention he generated was barely a blip on Roman radar. What historian would ever feel compelled to memorialize that? At the time of his death, he had maybe 50-70 followers,and they were illiterate, so who would ever write about him? That right there tells you it is the truth he was a real person. Because it makes absolute sense. The only sense there is to be made. Because if there were plenty of evidence, it wouldn't make sense. And if someone wanted to make up Jesus, then he wouldn't do it with such crappy evidence. There would be tons so to convince people. Those facts make his existence completely believable. Despite demands of proof. The lack of proof completely self-validates. If I were a smart atheist, I would be trying to show scads of evidence. But what could the only smart atheist alive hope to achieve all by himself? It also proves that Christianity was not invented to control anyone. You'd think out of all the so-called enlightened atheists everywhere would be smart enough to have come to this conclusion on their own "more open-mindedness." Guess not. Either that, or they came upon that conclusion and too scared ever admit it. Gotta be one or the other, can't be any in-between. Disingenuous or dumb. Take your pick. Don't have to tell me, I already know the answer.

@phobochrome

14 күн бұрын

Christians destroyed early works critiquing christianity

@theonerealgreenman

2 күн бұрын

Im a superhero in a movie that feeds the world but i cant film myself well i could but it would be better if i didnt. I could also write it myself but it would be better if i had help

The picture of Ewan McGregor playing Obi Wan killed me 😂

My favorite part of the Bible was when Jesus said "It's over, Pilate! I have the high ground!"

@TheLochs

11 ай бұрын

lol, I'm stealing that.

@RyanJones-ew8vm

11 ай бұрын

@@TheLochs don't, you will be crucified for it.

@joshua.snyder

11 ай бұрын

Being on a cross is a tough high ground. 😅

@mythicaldakka

11 ай бұрын

@@joshua.snyder You underestimate His power

@RyanJones-ew8vm

11 ай бұрын

@@joshua.snyder nailed it with that one 😉

The neutral, respectful and professional way this was presented is refreshing, thank you

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

wasn't neutral. he started with the assumption jesus existed and deducted his argument from there.

@-ThatMichaelGuy

Жыл бұрын

Not neutral, I'm certain Simon is Christian from this. There are a few inaccuracies that tend toward that bias unfortunately.

@brenteverett2934

Жыл бұрын

Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....

@TheGuiltsOfUs

Жыл бұрын

There is no merit in being neutral about an illusion. He never existed, end of story.

@Veldtian1

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.

I definitely don't think jesus existed however I did find this video to be interesting.

If somebody finds a Spider-Man comic 1000 years from now, the fact that Spider-Man is in new york, and New York existed, doesn't mean Spider-Man existed

@plymouth491

3 ай бұрын

That's the exact same comparison that I make!

@zarki-games

Ай бұрын

@@plymouth491 This is a rebuttal to an argument that serious scholars don't use. Scholars don't say, "Look, the Roman Empire existed, and the Bible features the Roman Empire, so Jesus existed."

@alejandrollamas692

17 күн бұрын

And Superman was a Jew...yup.

@abcdefg-xm7dc

16 күн бұрын

What did he mean by that

@jameswooten3212

5 күн бұрын

There won’t be hundreds of eye witness testimony from people that saw Spider-man die and come back to life. Especially, no accounts of people giving up everything else in their life to spread the message of Spiderman and being slowly brutal murdered for it without changing their story. 1000 years from now there will also be a lot of proof that Spider-Man was a fictional character.

I worked with a Jesus from Guadalajara. He was an awesome guy, I'm pretty sure they're all real.

@theskintexpat-themightygreegor

Жыл бұрын

I knew an Aquiles (Achilles) in Oaxaca. I had a crush on his girlfriend.

@Zman44444

Жыл бұрын

I met a Gabriel at my university years back. While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.

@fbksfrank4

Жыл бұрын

My Jesus got hit by a car one day, deported the next.

@jenniferbates2811

Жыл бұрын

My cousin? Yeah he's awesome.

@arnulfo267

Жыл бұрын

Donald Trump doesn't like them.

Pontius Pilate may have existed, but it's extremely unlikely that he ever said he would welease wodger.....

@catladyfromky4142

Жыл бұрын

"He has a sister, you know. Inconnintia. Inconnintia Buttocks."

@SonsOfLorgar

Жыл бұрын

But what about Wodewick?

@HasanUnknown

Жыл бұрын

Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus, We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ, We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World, Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel, ----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who has sent me.” [John 7:16] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: --------------------

@austinsmith3011

Жыл бұрын

@@HasanUnknown "Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, " So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus. Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.

@adhitripras8945

Жыл бұрын

Biggus ...

As an Aramain who speaks, reads and writes the language, I would like for people know in Aramaic language his name is Eshoaĕ but the last letter dose not exist in many languages not even in Hebrew or Arabic and it's hard to pronounce.

@cfhlogistics

10 күн бұрын

Correct. It somewhat has an abrupt ng sound. The letter was added later it's a common misinterpretation. Other spellings are yeshu' and yeshua. Jesus is a Greek name. They didn't have the letter y. So to them it was the letter j. Some people believe that the name Jesus is a mixture between Jeshua, and Zeus. According to etymology the name Jesus means savior. But so does the name Jeshua

@cfhlogistics

10 күн бұрын

By the way, on my Irish side - "Haran" - The legend had always been that we are Aramaic descendants of one of the 12 clans of levi -hedron. Levite genealogy was of course refuted by biblical scholars as being aitymological myth. Stating that it was abused so that people could have land rights, which may have some truth to it but it doesn't refute the fact that the genes of those clans exist to this date. Additionally, as of recent, the emergence of Western genealogical tests are shedding some light. The evidence is starting to show It may not be a myth after all. Izrah, The most prominent of clans has been proven by genealogy. And according to genealogical tests among family members including myself we do see traces to that name. Interestingly enough as the clans dispersed izrah remained as herod's sister tribe. Both had settled in the Nordic region which would explain the presence in today's Ireland.

@Nick-nm8om

10 күн бұрын

@cfhlogistics One thing I would like for you to know is something we do not tell anyone. Jesus's mother name, it's known as Miriam . Miriam is actually 2 words, " Mir" means saintly and "Eam or Iam "means mother . So Miriam means saintly mother or holy mother in Aramain. Just like we call Joseph Miryosep, that means saintly yosep. I was born and raised in Alqosh till the age of 13. Alqosh is the same village that Abraham is from.

Easy to look at society today and understand why we are where we are. This is a perfect example of our downfall.

@druidriley3163

22 күн бұрын

And society today is sooooooooo much better than it was in the past.

As jesus said, "only a sith deals in absolutes"

@lunarmodule6419

Жыл бұрын

If god came down to earth we would absolutely know it - no doubt. But he didn't...

@vaterunser3879

Жыл бұрын

he also said "even the smallest person can change the course of the history" So maybe he suffered from dwarfism? Just asking questions here

@gunnshell

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 dude that was hilarious!

@brendankirbyacoustics

Жыл бұрын

It’s 3:30 am and I’m laughing so hard now bc of this comment 😂

@GoDodgers1

Жыл бұрын

@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?

I love how Simon acknowledges the fact that people find it funny that he runs so many channels and he made a joke about it with AI

@bmunson4920

10 ай бұрын

When his videos show him with 6 fingers, we will know it’s true!

@karltuinukaufe850

10 ай бұрын

faxxxxx🎉🎉🎉🎉

@ScratchinAway

10 ай бұрын

thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more

@togiielectricboogaloo6875

9 ай бұрын

​@@ScratchinAwayhe doesnt run thoughty2 though

@user-oz2ys1ow4y

9 ай бұрын

I’m still discovering them and I love it

Feel a lot of this comes down to “we believe Jesus exists because so many people believe he existed.”

@CaptainPilipinas

2 ай бұрын

even those Dispensationalist people (for example) are more 'clever' than this one more similar Example's in here. yeah.

@Griffman08

6 күн бұрын

So you just didn’t watch the video?

@baggeeboy

6 күн бұрын

You clearly had the video on mute.

@foppishdilletaunt9911

5 күн бұрын

Argumentum ad populum as Punchy Pilot would have said.

@philsphan4414

5 күн бұрын

You have to divorce the question, “Jesus existed and he did exactly what the Bible says he did…” which is silly and “Jesus existed and we know a few things about him. No one works miracles so we can discount that, but plenty of people have that reputation.”

“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

If he did…then he probably didn’t look like Ewan McGregor 🤣

@JustMe-ne5dw

Жыл бұрын

Yes!! That HAS to be a picture of him as Obi-wan!

@LuisSierra42

Жыл бұрын

He looked like Keanu Reeves

@MLG85

Жыл бұрын

May the force, be with the.

@spankflaps1365

Жыл бұрын

Ewan McGregor has the high ground

@Cheyne_TetraMFG

Жыл бұрын

@@spankflaps1365 he who hath the high ground shall inherit the Earth, and he who doth not shall burn in fire 😂

Love the Ewan McGregor as Ben Kenobi as Jesus photo in the lead intro, lol.

@BFKAnthony817

Жыл бұрын

MANY unsuspecting grandmothers bought pictures of him and thought it was a Jesus portrait.

@rickitynick4463

Жыл бұрын

@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.

@pedrodmnmartins

Жыл бұрын

I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?

@marcbiff2192

Жыл бұрын

I would like him to do the same to Mohamed.

@apizzathatgiantforthesimpl5191

Жыл бұрын

Which is ironic considering Ewan McGregor actually did play Jesus in a movie.

The life of Brian is the most true to life biblical story you could ever watch

The Dr. Emmitt Brown reference was gold!

I had no idea that Jesus looked so much like Obi-Wan Kenobi

@Toastrackman

Жыл бұрын

The force is with him lol

@darkmyro

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Jesus does look like a Jedi lol

@erichanson3369

Жыл бұрын

@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.

@adrianb2232

Жыл бұрын

his facial features come from the son if a pope called cesare borgia or something like that

@sirtimothy92

Жыл бұрын

He did have the high ground

"You talk to God, you’re religious; God talks to you, you’re psychotic.” - House MD

@deanne1671

Жыл бұрын

Touche!!! Hahaha

@GalactusOG

Жыл бұрын

House was a drug addict.

@SavageJunky

Жыл бұрын

@@GalactusOG So? This quote is still perfect!

@kingofnara

Жыл бұрын

@@GalactusOG He was TV character with writers who were probably also on drugs but sober for the most part

@SavageJunky

Жыл бұрын

@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."

I would like to know more about Jesus' "missing years". A Ukranian/Russian fellow, Nicholas Notovich traveled East from Judea in the 19th century to India following a path of reports of a great teacher and healer named Issa who was, upon his return from years of study in India, called Lord Issa. There was considerable written evidence of Jesus/Issa's presence in monasteries in Tibet. And we must assume that much of the contemporary writings regarding Jesus were altered, hidden or destroyed by various interests. The teachings of Jesus are more East than West, more spiritual than those of the western religions and made him seem very revolutionary.

@sca8217

2 ай бұрын

The only problem being, if this point is brought up before Christians, it is brushed off as being "False idols" prophesied by Jesus. Also, why did Jesus never mention his travels in any of his sermons?

@dashopepper

2 ай бұрын

@@sca8217 There's no knowing whether or not Jesus mentioned travelling to India and learning from wise men there in his sermons, since the four New Testament Gospels and the apocrypha gospels were written years after he was crucified. The unknown authors were extremely selective about the information on Jesus' life that they shared.

@rafalgan-ganowicz

Ай бұрын

Traveling to India from Judea was a very long and dangerous trip in those times. Highly unlikely this occurred if he even existed at all. This was also written in Islamic texts hundreds of years after he supposedly existed so why should anyone believe it?

@Nefylym

Ай бұрын

I used to believe that Jesus somehow learned Buddhism. Whether he travelled all the way to Tibet or India, or just met a monk who relayed Gautama's teachings, a lot of what Jesus preached fit right in with the general non-aggression and civic duty held in such high regard by a lot of eastern mysteries. It always disappointed me that the West was just too militant and ignorant to find value in those teachings and moved to destroy him for it. These days, I just wish Christians would do something to atone for all the murder, destruction, and violence they wrought upon the world over the past two thousand years. A good start would be if they all just up and left like their Rapture promises they would. Every day I wake up with this hope. Every day they disappoint me by remaining to torment the rest of us reasonable thinkers.

@byteme9718

Ай бұрын

Why? Jesus is just a myth.

In prehistoric times, recording significant events and beliefs required immense effort, such as carving into stone or creating cave paintings, a testament to the value and permanence sought in these records. Contrastingly, our knowledge of figures like Jesus primarily comes from texts, notably the Bible, reflecting a shift towards textual preservation of knowledge. While words can be more easily altered than stone carvings, the lasting influence of these narratives is significant. This raises questions about the historical portrayal of Jesus - whether his contemporaries viewed him as significant or if his charismatic and fictionalized paranormal traits were amplified over time through textual revisions. The enduring, labor-intensive prehistoric records stand in stark contrast to the evolving narrative of Jesus, possibly indicating different perceptions of significance in their respective eras.

If Odin didn’t exist, then why aren’t there any frost giants?

@isgamer-8732

Жыл бұрын

They melted one summer when they forgot to migrate back to the cold lands

@lindenstromberg6859

Жыл бұрын

@@isgamer-8732 They must have been distracted. That sounds like Loki trickery :)

@bsl275

Жыл бұрын

Because global warming has some positive effects.

@chrisissick3147

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@henryzellman

Жыл бұрын

This guy is asking the right questions.

I'm an atheist, but I also went to a Bible college and studied the original Greek and Hebrew. Super fascinating, and while I may not believe in a deity the evidence that Jesus was an actual human is impossible to ignore. Thanks for the incredibly well researched video!

@benjalucian1515

Жыл бұрын

What are you considering evidence? I've read plenty of conjecture, but not seen any evidence.

@stevilmeyers

Жыл бұрын

I've noticed the common theme with a lot of Atheist is they all believed until they studied the scriptures.

@safs3098

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I find it weird that people say Jesus didn't exist when there's literally a whole religion based on him. Like, there has to be a dude that inspired his followers which eventually created the religion. The question should be whether he did supernatural stuff, not whether he existed or not.

@benjalucian1515

Жыл бұрын

@@safs3098 Nah, religions can start without someone to inspire them.

@safs3098

Жыл бұрын

@Benja Lucian but almost all religions we've got actual data on started with a charismatic leader, I can't even think of one where a group of people decided to create one around someone else. We've got proof that people in ancient times would embellish historical figures with made up stories, like Alexander the Great being the son of Zeus, or do you also believe Alexander didn't exist? We also got proof that cults form around charismatic leaders and the followers start to believe in his divinity, even in the 21th century this stuff happens. So if we go by the scientific method, the most likely hypothesis that science supports would the existence of Jesus as a cult leader that had stories made up about him by his followers later down the line to make him seem greater, all historical evidence regarding religions supports this hypothesis. So are you a man of science or faith? Because right now you're the one that believes he didn't exist.

A fascinating talk, yet so many questions left unanswered, the greatest of which may be 'what DOES the H stand for?'

@Maury4

3 ай бұрын

Howard, be thy name.

@lesliekilgore648

3 ай бұрын

@@Maury4 a comedy CLASSIC! ;>

@albooga

2 ай бұрын

I always thought it was Herman 🤷🏾‍♂️

@thomasw178

2 ай бұрын

Hubris

@druidriley3163

2 ай бұрын

Hashimoto

Not the Hallow app ad before this video 😅

One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.

@kenziedayne4234

Жыл бұрын

Yup. My Lord and Savior...Josh. 😄

@andrewbrown7976

Жыл бұрын

@@kenziedayne4234 Josh is awesome

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.

@unicornkitteh5332

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this. I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.

@simplyintricate4160

Жыл бұрын

@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)

The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.

@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep

Жыл бұрын

Except unlike Buddism, Christianity never magically had it's texts show up 600 years after the person.

@BudoReflex

Жыл бұрын

A meme within a meme. That was the original joke: someone’s grandma had a Star Wars portrait as “Jesus”.

@rich99global

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

I had a story concept that a disguised time traveler meet Jesus and was shocked that Jesus knew what he was. ;-)

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

There is a great sci fi story about a troubled man who builds a time machine to go find Jesus and finds him instead to be a severely mentally challenged person, and is never going to start anything, and so decided to become Jesus himself.

@bricesanderlin8267

2 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 what is the story?

@druidriley3163

2 ай бұрын

@@bricesanderlin8267 "Behold the man" by Michael Moorcock

@poppapalpatine7659

2 ай бұрын

You mean like the meme

@26:15 "I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates when he said...I drank what?" -Chris Knight, philosohper

I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.

@joeterp5615

Жыл бұрын

Watch at 3/4 speed. Easier to pick up everything… and quite interestingly, at times he sounds like a southerner (US) at that speed lol!

@thetruebatman4632

Жыл бұрын

@@joeterp5615 ha ha! That is a hilarious observation. I live here in Texas, born and raised, and I will definitely test your recommendation.

@joeterp5615

Жыл бұрын

@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking KZreadrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.

@bonzbeasty

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂

@shellcross

Жыл бұрын

I read the comments while watching

I think the important point here is not whether he existed, but whether the stories about him are true. As you said, the name was fairly common, and given the political situation the existence of a rebellious preacher is not an extraordinary claim. But if he couldn't heal the sick with a touch and a prayer, multiply a picnic basket to feed a mob, and recover from being tortured to death, then the biblical character is still a fiction. Those are the claims that demand more rigorous examination.

@hallvardpaulsen

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! If there was a carpenter son walking around in Palestine (with or without a some followers) talking about the end of the world, who cares! All the commonly quoted stories are obviously not historically correct.

@Trebor74

Жыл бұрын

If he brought them into a new religion that promised everlasting life instead of a religion that taught death was the end then he figuratively raised them from the dead. It's a similar theme to "amazing grace","was blind but now I see" etc

@MariaMartinez-researcher

Жыл бұрын

Actually, Jesus's historicity is a main point. That's the reason of this video, to start with. Most critiques of Christianity start with the understanding that everything miraculous the gospels say is ""obviously"" fictitious, therefore the guy didn't exist. Your position goes right by that alley. How could we possibly prove that anything supernatural the gospels say actually happened? We can't, therefore the guy didn't exist. But, proving the historicity of the guy poses the most interesting questions. Why his contemporaries, people who met and followed him, were willing to tell everyone that the guy did these and those things - to the point of getting executed because they didn't stop telling those things? (Yep, most apostles and many disciples were killed for their activities). And that's the good question. We cannot travel in time to witness what Jesus actually did, but we can read the historical accounts of Christianity's development to know what people who knew him believed. Ever heard of Patristics?

@Drakemiser

Жыл бұрын

You can answer this question with secular scholarship. There are a few writings about Jesus-Josephus being one-that say Jesus did do miracles by demon magic, or some sort of black magic. Paul can be counted as a skeptic as well, seeing as he was first a Romanized Jew who killed Christians. Basically, you take writings from people who were not fans of the person you are trying to learn about to learn the truth. Some wrote about miracles. Some wrote about a resurrection. The point is the claims the Bible makes are made much more probable by its enemies. No other person in history has been written about like Jesus was.

@ChadSparkes

Жыл бұрын

There have been plenty of historical figures willing to martyr themselves for a cause, whether it be a righteous rebellion or a personal psychosis. The fact that this one particular cult lingered long enough to become powerful doesn't make one martyr special. Historians can accept the existence of a man as true based on records of the time because that's not unusual, a rebellious preacher being murder for his beliefs is a thing that has happened many times, and in no way violates our understanding of the universe. Magic spells are something entirely different, they make the story fictional - unless you want to claim the story is true, in which case you need to prove the magic is at least possible.

Oh boy Simon. You are opening up the box! Good luck!

Thank you for answering this question by using the same standard applied to other historical figures, such as Socrates, and emphasizing the consensus of scholars rather than influential pundits. Kudos!

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

so..what is the concludions, then??

@foojuk

2 ай бұрын

@@lukeyznaga7627you should watch the vid

"He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy !" - Brian's mum.

@tthings6686

Жыл бұрын

"Piss off!" - Also Brian's mum

@danielshannon6027

Жыл бұрын

Monty Python is God.

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

@@tthings6686 LOL

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

@@danielshannon6027 Have you seen: Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers on KZread ?

@thedog7494

Жыл бұрын

British """humor"""

I didn't know Simon held Ewan MacGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan Kenobi in such high regard.

@caratomlinson3552

Жыл бұрын

😂

@royalroyal2210

11 ай бұрын

Magnificent, aren't they?

You could think the news of the resurrection and that all the graves openned and dead folk walked about would have been recorded in many places and yet the account only appears in the bible...

@ArizonaTengu

Ай бұрын

You think that so many people who are students of history would know that most people in history were illiterate, and it took a small fortune to write anything. Of which, most people didn’t have either. So I’m not surprised at all that things weren’t written down by those who didn’t believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah. If they don’t believe Him to be God? Then it’s just as easy for them to disbelieve any miracles surrounding Him, or His followers as mere superstition. Making it, to disbelievers, a rather unimportant event.

@melissai8981

Ай бұрын

You think people witnessed his resurrection and remained unbelievers?

@ArizonaTengu

Ай бұрын

@melissai8981 The apostles Peter, James, and John witnessed the transfiguration of Christ on mount Sinai. With the Moses and Elijah too. Yet they abandoned him. Peter even denied Him three times at Christ’s arrest. Then there’s the story of the rich man a Lazarus. The rich man burning in hell asks to be sent to warn his brothers of this awful fate so the will repent. Abraham replies, “They have Moses and the prophets. Neither will they be persuaded if one raises from the dead.” Which is ultimately the point of the matter. Many people look for signs and wonders, but unless they have it in their heart? Then they won’t accept any amount of evidence. The very people who were supposed to be waiting His coming were the Pharisees, who have the profits, and not only did they crucify Him. But they actively sought to conceal His resurrection. Plus, they continued in their unbelief until the Romans razed Jerusalem and afterwards. Their descendants still don’t believe in Christ, and they omitted various books in the Old Testament hundreds of years afterwards that prophesied of His coming. So yes, I do believe that all manner of people can deny Christ even after witnessing Him resurrected. The book of Acts has the apostles speaking in tongues (aka speaking in one language but being heard in multiple languages), and the Saints coming out of the grave preaching the gospel throughout the city. The reaction from unbelievers? People must’ve been drunk.

"no one can know but Dr. Emmett Brown" LOLOLOL!!!!

@MontviewBlvdBabiez

2 ай бұрын

Great Scott!

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair

@blarestew2675

Жыл бұрын

It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs.. Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.

@tianna1116

Жыл бұрын

Excellent quote, I wonder what the context was

@ragnarok67

Жыл бұрын

This applies to popular atheist speakers who try to disprove god

@1leadvocal

Жыл бұрын

@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.

@brianfox771

Жыл бұрын

@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?

It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.

@kain0067

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right, like anyone would do Mohammad.

@darrennew8211

Жыл бұрын

I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.

@hermitcard4494

Жыл бұрын

Watch this channel called Esoterica 👍

@nilus2k

Жыл бұрын

@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.

@DarkZodiacZZ

Жыл бұрын

@@kain0067 Personally I'm curious if the M from the beginning is the same person as the M in the end.

I don't understand why we can't hold a higher standard of evidence for the son of God which is also God who had magic powers, controls everything, and who created everything. The phrase is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" and so far we get random stories from random people and a few relics that people say are real but there's no proof of anything in them? We have never held those who claim he's reql at higher standards not even the normal standards because for some reason us pointing out that none of the "evidence" is actually so is offensive to them and the worst thing you could do. If God and Jesus are so amazing and powerful but can't hold up to extreme scrutiny then they are not what people say they are.

@CHRlST101

2 ай бұрын

There is extraordinary evidence for Gods existence all throughout the sciences; this complex and ordered reality cannot exist without a creator with intelligence and intent. Also Jesus can be further verified by the 300+ prophecies he fulfilled from the Old Testament, along with all of the archeological findings that verify the Old Testament as being an accurate record of history. “The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.” - Werner Heisenberg, 1932 Nobel laureate and father of quantum mechanics

@flolou8496

2 ай бұрын

If Jesus provided even just a fraction of 1% more to his existence and identity, from the past or in the current modern world, it would unfavorably co,mpromise mankind's free moral will, reducing mankind into nothing more than scared robots. (this is just one big reason, but there are others, the actual reason expressed, is actually poorly referencing a large apologetic doctrine called ( The Hiddeness of God) to sum it up quick and dirty, there is obvious reasons, why God is not at mankind's beck and call for to prove his existence, every year of every decade, and so on,

@alexcortez3357

Ай бұрын

exactly, and this is exactly why atheism and agnosticism are on the rise. grand claims very little to show for it

@alexcortez3357

Ай бұрын

in all my years ive heard very silly responses and thats the best you can come up with? Freedom, along with free will. is an ILLUSION. everything is privilege. there is nuthin free. hay soos wont show up because he doesnt exist. that simple @@flolou8496

@johnx140

Ай бұрын

Bruh stop pretending that we are the problem. Youll just deny the proof and demand more until youre black in the face LMAO

Thank you Simon for a well researched and compelling video.

@chrisbuesnell3428

3 ай бұрын

You think that was researched ? Pretty poor

@davidleader4799

3 ай бұрын

​@chrisbuesnell3428 Most likely a lot more research than you did to come up with your comment ?

@druidriley3163

2 ай бұрын

@@davidleader4799 No, Chris is right, it's poorly researched.

@davidleader4799

2 ай бұрын

@@druidriley3163 🤣

@mustwashhands8744

Күн бұрын

If this is well researched, then I am the president of the UN.

"How the hell does he have all those KZread channels?" 😂😂😂

@pakde8002

Жыл бұрын

What? It's only 12 channels 😅

@rgoodwinau

Жыл бұрын

Scarily close to omni-presence! 😂

@umbraemilitos

Жыл бұрын

He only reads the scripts on camera and runs the business. Other people edit and write.

@PhantomFilmAustralia

Жыл бұрын

There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.

@ndld4955

Жыл бұрын

He's an Ai ..😏👍

Good to see that some people actually swiped past all the religious talk and went on the search for hard evidence.

@andersandersen6295

11 ай бұрын

I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.

@mr.sniffles7268

11 ай бұрын

That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting

@letsgobrandon1906

10 ай бұрын

KZread isn’t hard evidence

@dguy0386

10 ай бұрын

having found such hard evidence is then proof that backs up the validity of that "religious talk"

@salsatheone

10 ай бұрын

@@letsgobrandon1906 he meant the scholars and academic sources mentioned in the video... Jesus Christ, learn to infer.

I want to clarify before I write this that I am in no way doubting or trying to disprove or prove anything lol. Im just asking a question In modern times we have someone claiming to be all-powerful or sent from above (in whatever way or capacity they show up in or exclaim their respective "holiness" in. What are the chances there was a guy named Jesus who just claimed to be that and gained a following? I mean, often we hear of people following cult leaders to their own demise every little while, its been a thing for quite some time now. If people can be rounded up to believe something from someone even in modern times where skepticism seems to grow exponentially, as we gain access to more and more information (not necessarily knowledge, but thats another argument)....then what are the chances he was just an exceptional person with the ability of a personality that people wanted to follow. Maybe he preached things that people wanted to hear. Maybe he believed in his message so far as to think dying was worth his cause, and maybe him dying in the way he did, cemented his legacy and the legends grew from humble human being with aspirations of being godly, to a godly presence and human being. You only have to play telephone once to realize how much stories can change from person to person, community to community, time period to time period and generation to generation. I mean, its understood that approximately 40 years after Jesus died, was the first gospel written. Throughout nearly a century of time passed over the course of the 4 new testaments being written. Thats nearly 3+ generations during those times. During times where by far the most prevelent way of passing down stories was verbally. And on top of that all 4 new testaments reflect different perspectives, ideas, and thoughts behind the story of Jesus Christ. My main point is this, there are a lot of human factors that could be at play. Ultimately, I think people just have a innate desire to believe in something. Its awfully sad and depressing to think that this life is all we get. That theres nothing before or after this life for us. That theres no ultimate goal dictating and judging our actions of good or bad. I believe theres something after. I cant justify that thought, but I know Id like and hope its true. Not for myself, but rather to punish the people you hear about every day who do the most inhumane actions. Id like to think theres a worse punishment than death for them. Similarly, Id like to believe being a good person has a reward past this life. That choosing good over bad means something. You can live an entire life of being good and never being recognized, appreciated, or rewarded for it. Id like to hope theres something out there that ultimately does give you that reward in a "next life".

@WizardOfWor

Ай бұрын

To be honest, there is no afterlife. It was all man-made for religious, powerful people to have control over humanity mentally (including with churches, the Bible & Qur’an). Same with Gods, Satan/The Devil/The enemy, Sin, Ghosts, Spirits, Souls, Angels, Demons, Magic, etc. None of it is real. If you were to look up the words “Homo Sapiens,” you would realize that we’re scientifically & technically also animals. And what happens to animals when they die or are killed? They cease to exist entirely. The same will happen to all of us one day, especially if there’s no reincarnation for us in the future.

@FLAC2023

Ай бұрын

Well said

@WizardOfWor

Ай бұрын

Well said! 😊

@FLAC2023

Ай бұрын

What a nice and pleasant way of saying: it's all very likely all a bunch of BS... agree 💯

@jbooks888

22 күн бұрын

You have got to be joking, right?

"Also im a kickassdancer" caught me by surprise 😂😂

@danielbriggs991

6 сағат бұрын

And some say the cult of dancercise he founded has not been extinguished to this day.

I love that Simon has finally acknowledged that he could very well be an AI image

@gmailaccount642

Жыл бұрын

Scary to think we are in times where we question this

@mitsurugi2651

Жыл бұрын

​@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .

@jbento1975

Жыл бұрын

Lol😅

@fredwebsterjr-vl1qj

Жыл бұрын

If Simon is AI, he's a big improvement over Max Headroom.

@mitsurugi2651

Жыл бұрын

@Fred Webster Jr different levels of shit, is still shit. how does this guy get people to get he's intelligent?

Please tell me you guys were intentionally trolling us with a picture of Obiwan for 30 seconds. lol XD

@nosuchthing8

Жыл бұрын

April fools

@pikaleaf8914

Жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud in the quiet break room at work just now.

@lopedogcsgo6087

Жыл бұрын

Obiwan is jesus

@timotheewilliams9086

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, is that Ben Kenobi😂

@Joe_Potts

Жыл бұрын

oh thank god you saw it too i thought i was losing it

Pretty sure I spotted Simon in Bristol Parkway station car park once, did that thing where you recognise someone but at the time can't be sure who they are and why.

At 0:45 Jesus looking like Obi Wan Kenobi😆

Funny, how “older” religions like Greece, Rome, or Egypt are now myths.

@jollyface5986

8 ай бұрын

Not really

@jollyface5986

8 ай бұрын

Believing in those religions is closer to being an atheist than a Christian, since the gods are basically just humans with powers

@druidriley3163

8 ай бұрын

@@jollyface5986 Isn't that Jesus? Human mother, god father, human with powers?

@NotTrolling399

8 ай бұрын

You clearly don’t know what a myth is

@Russo-Delenda-Est

8 ай бұрын

That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.

I'm so used to watching Brain Blaze that I forgot how calm and scary Simon can be when he's not all fired up from torturing Danny and Sam in his basement. Allegedly.

@jimwilliams6044

Жыл бұрын

Cocaine

I'm reminded of a question regarding the death penalty that was in primary school. I argued that the death penalty needed to exist, but I didn't have any strong evidence for being sure enough to apply the death penalty, because I'd watched far too many shows where people had gotten the evidence wrong. Honour thy father and thy mother needs to be translated as 'Do not piss your mother and father off, because they are your only references to your good character, and will kill you and ruin your reputation if they are of a mind to'. This is good practice from here to later life, and any public speaker needs to keep this in mind, bearing in mind the example of Jesus.

Just found another Simon channel lol makes like 5-6 I’m subscribed to now . 😂😅

Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane, unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly.

@uncletiggermclaren7592

Жыл бұрын

Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".

@neutrino78x

Жыл бұрын

"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly." Yes, it is mundane and it separate. You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man." The second doesn't follow from the first logically. That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.

@peterlewis2178

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.

@uncletiggermclaren7592

Жыл бұрын

@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.

@uncletiggermclaren7592

Жыл бұрын

@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing". It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical". His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural. Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.

Although I am now an Atheist, I was once a devout Christian and earned a master's degree in Christian Apologetics from a Baptist Seminary where I studied this topic extensively from both sides. I say all that to preface that this is EXTREMELY well researched and representative of the academic consensus on the existence of Jesus. Although I no longer believe in Christianity, I find it utterly appalling that I have to defend the existence of the historical figure of Jesus to other atheists who oppose it like it's some sort of evidence for the faith. The existence of Jesus does just as much to prove Christianity as the existence of Muhammad proves Islam or the existence of Barbara Streisand proves Judaism. Thank you for presenting a fair video on the topic that represents the historical data and academic consensus over the contemporary dribble of ignorant, reactionary atheists scared of the existence of a man who has been dead for two millenia.

@flipflopski2951

Жыл бұрын

Which parts of the NT are historical?

@steve2818

Жыл бұрын

Why would atheists be scared of a guy who never existed?

@gulfcoasttreasurehunter9112

Жыл бұрын

​@@flipflopski2951 that's a long question to answer, but in short there are a few areas that really have historical relevance although not necessarily in the way Christians would hope for. I'm throwing this together off the top of my head so I may forget something to add in here. To give a quick(ish) answer, the four gospels can give us some basic information about Jesus that are accepted pretty much across the board by scholars: he was a first century Palestinian Jew who had disciples, he was killed by the Romans by crucifixion, etc. Its not necessarily that these were written by the people they are attributed to or close enough to the time of Jesus, but they seem to have common source materials that are lost to us today (referred to as "Q") that are much earlier. We find some historically relevant information in the Acts of the Apostles, but much of the text is drawn into question not only for its miraculous nature, but also for the fact it often differs with the letters Paul wrote on the same events it describes. As for Paul, he was a historical figure and did write a good chunk of the letters the Bible attributes to him. From those we can get early insight about early Christian beliefs (at least Paul's version), some historical framework of his time and life, and some of the challenges facing the Chriatian religion in its early years. That's a very basic survey if it. There are some great resources to dig deeper into these topics from some of the sources mentioned in this video. Dr. Bart Ehrman (who is a former Christian, now agnostic himself) has written a lot on both academic and more popular levels on some of these topics, and I would highly recommend his books to anyone wanting an accessible introduction to the historical Jesus and New Testament studies from a leading scholar.

@gulfcoasttreasurehunter9112

Жыл бұрын

​@@flipflopski2951 and one other note, my answer assumed you meant historically representative of the events surrounding the life of Jesus and other events the Bible claims to portray. Technically all of the the texts give us "historical" information as they give us insights into the beliefs of Christian authors (some of whom wrote much later) about their beliefs, myths, and traditions. Many of these may not historical in the sense of being events that actually happened in history, but all of them are relevant for study. Take for example the writer of the Apocalypse of John. It may not have much value to studying the history of any events it discusses as it is heavily encoded with symbolism and apocalyptic language, but it can be studied as a historical example of reasonably early Christian apocalyptic literature. So, all of it has something to discover, just not often something to discover about the actual, historical person of Jesus.

@milliondollarmistake

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's weird. Especially since the existence of Jesus is virtually irrelevant to the idea of whether a god exists or not. If Jesus was a real person then he was just another human like everyone else, him being real doesn't automatically mean he was the son of god.

A similar "problem" relates to Jonah in the belly of "whatever". The most rational explanation is that it referred to a commonplace star constellation navigation reference familiar to most sailors and other travellers by sea of the time period. Your conclusion may differ.

Ask Richard Carrier

@bedfordsimon8

3 күн бұрын

if you want to gget a quacks view on things. ask a duck.they are less likely to be as unsavoury as carrier.

Simon, I want you to know that in less than 28 minutes, you have caused me to open my mind to a topic I had previously passed judgement upon. I learned more about this topic in 30 minutes than I have in 30 years.

@anwaraisling

Жыл бұрын

The question remaining, how has this affected your past judgement?

@JamesTTierce

Жыл бұрын

Ive been atheist most my life. Recently Ive found some solace in faith, but I believe the faith Ive found and the religion that often follows it is going to be full of individuals I do not have faith in. Theyre of questionable ethics and If I want to continue down this route, Ill have to work to either change them or Id have to wait for divine judgement. Not sure if Im willling to wait for that.

@XDex91

Жыл бұрын

@@anwaraisling My previous judgement, based on articles I read 15-ish years ago, was that Jesus was either not a historical figure or that there was no evidence that anyone believed him to be the messiah during his lifetime. Articles I read at the time suggested that the first written evidence of Christianity occurred about a century later. Simon’s video seemed to blow that out of the water.

@kevinouellette5316

Жыл бұрын

You haven't looked into much I can see.

@jixxytrix1705

Жыл бұрын

@@XDex91 Check this out.... The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel ('God with us') For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. These verses are from the book of Isaiah the prophet and were written 700 years before Jesus was born. Who is he talking about? Keep looking Dex. There's a treasure waiting for you at the end. 'Ask, seek, knock'

"Strike me down, and I shall become far more powerful than you can possibly imagine!" - Jesus Christ 😂

@scionofdorn9101

Жыл бұрын

Still has to cheat at wrestling and can't beat iron chariots.

@blacbraun

Жыл бұрын

It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.

@dustintacohands1107

Жыл бұрын

Lol but who Is Darth????

@moonshoes11

Жыл бұрын

And the Lord said unto Luke; Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father….

@OdariArt

Жыл бұрын

@@dustintacohands1107 The chosen one!

The lack of mention of Dr Richard Carrier's work seems like a mythed opportunity.

@plonkster

Ай бұрын

Love the little pun. Carrier's long been the only actual trained historian who takes this position. Well, Ehrman says he is one of two... I have no idea who the other guy is. Probably explains perfectly how rare the view is among ancient historians. Mythers who appeal to Carrier are to me a bit like anti-vaxers who finally found a qualified doctor who agrees with them, or (if I may borrow Simon's own example again), climate change deniers who found someone from Princeton who agrees with them (William Happer).

@fisharepeopletoo9653

21 күн бұрын

​@@plonksterThe problem is that Jesus' existence is hardly even worth debating. Sure, a guy with the name existed and was crucified. This is a fairly common occurrence, that people exist and are killed, and crucifixion wasn't exactly a rare thing back then. It's not even worth spending too much time on this point because it is easily granted and quite frankly mostly irrelevant. The question isn't "Did Jesus exist?" It's "Was Jesus truly walking around performing tricks that would blow David Blaine's mind?" Did Jesus die and resurrect, cracking a temple and for some reason also resurrecting an entire graveyard? Did Jesus resurrect other people, feed thousands off a meal for a small group, turn water into wine etc. Mostly, the real question is in the resurrection. David Blaine exists and other street magicians like him who could perform these same types of tasks given enough time and preparation, but none of them could come back from the dead. But for me, the question is why then? An all knowing God would, by definition, know the future. That humanity as it stands 2000 years ago were a primitive lot and future humans would be many magnitudes more abundant and technologically competent. Why not perform a resurrection when cameras exist? Why send your son to die with so few witnesses when the entire point of his death is to allow people into heaven? Even if there is a god, and Jesus is his son and truly proved it to everyone back then (he didn't, else Christianity wouldn't have had to shed so much blood to convert others) why would you do things this way? It makes no sense

@plonkster

20 күн бұрын

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 Indeed, the resurrection is the main thing. And of course existence doesn't mean any of the numerous other things that were attributed to this man are true. The thing is for me, we know this specific man existed, this specific man to whom these deeds are attributed to, this specific Jesus, son of Joseph and Mary (all three very common names) who was crucified (indeed, if he wasn't, another Jesus would have been in his place, Jesus Barrabas). To deny that just seems deliberately obtuse.

If there was a person with the same or a similar name who didn’t do the majority of the things that were claimed then did that person actually exist? Or just a different person with a similar name? If we found someone called Tony stark who also liked engineering then what does that mean about the existence of Ironman? Unless he did most of the things that essentially define the character then even if you find someone who had the name it doesn’t really demonstrate anything.

@5naxalotl

3 ай бұрын

finger on the problem. there's no clear dividing lines on the continuum between: "real person exactly like the stories about him"; "real person who was maybe somewhat like the story and whose story [and was _one_ of the people whose stories] evolved into the story we have now"; and, "totally made up character in a story to satisfy the first century hunger for magic tales within the judaic fantasy world" so, when you ask "is the character in story X real", "real character" isn't actually well defined. ie it's not really a good question fun fact: a great deal of philosophical discussion is hopelessly tangled up because a common expression is treated as very well defined (aka "everyone knows *exactly what i'm talking about* ") when the subtle truth is that it isn't. see also: consciousness, love, life, god

@robinpage2730

3 ай бұрын

Every engineering nerd named Tony Stark hopes they are remembered by history for saving the Earth

@zarki-games

Ай бұрын

There's a difference between a person who happens to be like a character from a fictional story, and the person a story was based on. As someone else said, there's sort of a continuum. Perhaps Jesus, Yeshua, or what have you existed and preached roughly what was preached in The Bible, had a somewhat similar life and had similar enough things happen to him, and was crucified, and The Bible was *based on him* and just exagerated his deeds and threw in a few completely fictitious happenings. I'd still be comfortable saying that the person in The Bible really did exist.

@lotsofstuff9645

Ай бұрын

@@zarki-games That’s right there is a difference between those things, however the aspects of those things that are the same is the reason why I used the analogy. But I guess there’s no way to tell if this person did any of those things, or if their followers borrowed stories they heard from other mythology, or if they did a couple of things but not others. My point is that if a person is remembered for specific actions and we at least know some of those actions are highly unlikely if not impossible, then at what point do we say this person existed. If you can remove enough of the attributes of a character then at what point do you still say that character did actually exist. What if the story of Jesus was actually stories from 3-4 different people cobbled together (less the fantastical stories that is). Then do we say the person who had the correct name was the person.

So my Grandma was a Catholic Catholic, Church and Bible study twice a week. But I would always ask her questions about God and religion. And one day I came to the conclusion that Mother Mary (Jesus Mom) was probably just a young girl who probably just got knocked up and didn't know who the dad was or was ashamed of it happening. So I ask my Grandma and she was like, "yeah I could see that happening you can believe what you like. Just live a good life and treat others with kindness is all God asks of you." She would study the Bible but would always say "men wrote this not God." RiP RiP Granny...

@brian.jrmontoya3227

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s easier for a person that strives for knowledge to be a Christian or have faith once we realize the Bible is not inerrant. My mom believes in god and a higher power, but does look at the Bible critically for what it is. A collection of books written by men, not god.

@Bicicletasaladas

Жыл бұрын

You are not the first person to explain it in that inappropiate way in 2000 years, you know? The issue is that the blessed Virgin Mary was a Jew. Jews think their God is a God infinitely above humans. He is no Zeus mingling with mortals. Also they had a very low tolerance for blasphemy. Even saying the name of God out loud is a big no-no for them. Blasphemy was punished by public stoning. If Mary had come to any fellow Jew, trying to suggest she got knocked up by their all mighty God, we would have no Jesus because she would have got stoned to death on the spot.

@d-meth

Жыл бұрын

​@@Bicicletasaladas the story says that she did almost get stoned, Joseph saved her by claiming the child is his. If she wasn't at risk of getting stoned he probably wouldn't have forgiven the infidelity, they were engaged after all. Supposedly they moved because sex before marriage was frowned upon too.

@carlfrye1566

Жыл бұрын

So did you lead a good life and treat others with kindness as granny said....as God wanted?

@Junebugreen

Жыл бұрын

You had a very good Granny! That’s a good foundation.

The Historicity of Jesus Wikipedia article, most of the sources were written by people from bible colleges. Any Christian who pays for and goes through bible college would naturally say "well duh, of course Jesus existed". If they didn't think he existed then they wouldn't be Christians and they wouldn't attend bible college.

@araenasanchez

2 ай бұрын

Yup, including Agnostic Bart Ehrman

@theprecipiceofreason

2 ай бұрын

Regardless of if they think he exists, it's not a bad racket for a decent public speaker - why would they be out there getting rid of their own jobs?

@davidbutler1857

2 ай бұрын

Only a few years ago, that Wiki only had a minor entry on the actual historicity of jesus. Since then, apologists have been editing the crap out of it to boost their arguments.

@dznutzonfyre4432

2 ай бұрын

That’s a lot of words to say nothing at all

@theprecipiceofreason

2 ай бұрын

@@dznutzonfyre4432 Somebody's never had motive for bias clearly explained to them before.

I’ve studied apologetics for over 40 years. I have seen nothing that compares to 21st century science on the shroud of Turin that saying something when you consider the anthropic cosmological principal.

I have to say I was surprised to hear Simon say that “Experts agree there was a person named Jesus and he was crucified.” (Okay, Simon doesn’t necessarily write the scripts he reads so fast! But you know what I mean.) know quite respectable skeptics that have arrived at that conclusion, including Bart Ehrman. I don’t mind saying it is likely there was a humble rabbi promoting an apocalyptic vision. And I am quite sure the Romans crucified all sorts of people in Palestine: they appeared to have enjoyed it. But as to which of the recorded jesus stories, including the crucifixion one, actually happened to jesus, and which happened to someone else or developed as legend, I don’t see how any historian can be entirely convinced. I think the nature of the sources: oral accounts and inferred written accounts like Q, M, L (which can’t be examined) compiled at a distance of 30-60 years after the events precludes our making any hard claims about which jesus stories actually belong to the humble rabbi. In other words, like many other characters legend, I suppose he is based on a real person, but we don’t know which events are legend, which real. If you are willing to read it, I go on at length, laying out the argument, preceded by the preliminaries. I often read in comments the following claims about the historicity of Jesus: “the existence of Jesus is agreed upon by all serious historians/ a consuls of historians”. I wonder where this unanimity or consensus comes from? I’m just a chap with a BA in History, not an expert or specialist, so I don’t ask anyone to grant me any authority. But I will construct an argument against this claim. Judge it on its merits. I number the steps for the ease of responders. But before I begin, I wonder why it matters so much to so many christians? I won’t say to all. I don’t know really whether Bhudda or Socrates existed. The value of their insights does not change even if they never lived. So why is Jesus so particular with you lot? In any case to the argument: Preliminaries (1) There is no reference to Jesus in any secular document during his supposed life. Later on, Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius all mention the Christians, as nuisances, mostly. They aren’t contemporary, and they Pliny records the belief that their founder was referred to as an anointed man and was crucified: he does not warrant either as a fact. Josephus contains a spurious passage, which I won’t discuss, and a slight reference to an anointed Jesus whose brother was James. I note that the occasional historian says this could be a reference to an actual Temple priest and his brother. It doesn’t much matter. (2) The only sources we have that refer clearly to a real character named Jesus are Paul’s letters, four gospels, the Acts. Of Paul’s letters, 7 are accepted as genuine, 3 others as possibly genuine, 4 others as questionable. 3. Paul says he never met Jesus in the flesh, but instead had a vision. Visions are not evidence. He met people who did know Jesus. He believes most things they said about Jesus. Including that Jesus resurrected. Speaking as an amateur historian, to me the fact that Paul believes in physically-impossible miracles renders his testimony suspect. 4. Only conservative evangelicals seem to believe that the four gospels were written by actual disciples named Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. I will go with the consensus who say that they are instead the written compilation of oral histories and later written accounts that had circulated in various christian communities in the Mediterranean, composed some decades after the events. The authors write Greek well, so they are not likely to have numbered among the largely illiterate Aramaic speakers of Jesus’s disciples. Thus they are collecting accounts that were retold in oral histories for some decades after the events. 5. Dates I propose are just what I’m told: 60-70CE for Mark, 75-85CE for Luke and Matthew, 90-100CE for John. Both Luke and Matthew have access to Mark, and elaborate upon it. Both Luke and Matthew have Quelle. Luke has other sources “L”, Matthew has other sources “M”. Matthew has access to Isaiah. 6. Roman culture appreciated public executions, and crucifixion was not rare. The Argument 1. As an amateur historian, I don’t talk about “inspired” texts. The term is meaningless to me. 2. All of the people at the time lived in a largely oral culture. Only rich people were educated. Literacy was perhaps 20%; the ability to write was less common than the ability to read. (I was amazed to learn that some slaves were taught to copy manuscripts letter for letter in scriptoria, but themselves could not read!) Because they valued the skill, people probably had better memories for what people said, just as my grandmother could do better mental arithmetic than me. Certainly, the gospel accounts never show Jesus writing, and only once reading (from Isaiah). If there was an a humble boy with no formal education who confounded the priests with his learning, he more probably acquired it from listening rather than reading. The temple culture itself, I have read, placed more emphasis on oral recitation than reading. 3. The practices, standards,methods and purposes of historians in the past are not the same as ours. Professional historians talk of differences in historiography. The historiography of religious cults in the ancient world are not the same as ours. Modern historians fact check; ancient historians couldn’t, and often didn’t care to. Both modern and ancient historians appreciate how appealing the plot of mythical narratives are to their audiences. Modern historians are supposed to be wary of that appeal, preferring to be dull rather than “interesting”. 4. Oral cultures have varying standards for accuracy. Accuracy can be highly valued as in the contests for reciting Homer from memory during the Athenian Dionysian, or (I presume) learning law codes like Leviticus before written literacy, or genealogies like West African griots. However, the literature of oral cultures is subject to less stringent standards: these story tellers are not professional memorized. They tell narratives, leaving out parts, adding in parts, conflating stories, conflating characters. 5. All the people lived in what I call a “world of wonders”. Prodigies like virgin births, whole cemeteries of the dead walking, comets and earthquakes accompanying special events were completely believable to most people, most of the time. In short they were highly credulous. 6. I think that while there might well have been, probably was, a rabbi of humble birth named jesus in Palestine who had a following. I can’t say with any certainty that any of the events described in the gospels or letters actually happened to this same jesus. I can say with that none of the physically impossible miracles happened. I know the resurrections of jesus, Lazarus, and the centurion’s daughter didn’t happen, because I know entropy is universal. That credulous, largely illiterate people in that world attested to wonders does not influence my opinion. As to the other events, knowing what all of us know about oral cultures, story telling, and credulous, largely illiterate people, I cannot know which of the stories are actually true of jesus, and which might be true of one of the other figures, including Messianic figures, in Palestine. I cannot know with certainty what stories originated in myths and legends and accreted to the jesus narrative because they improved the story. 7. A practical example of how story telling works is the incompatibility of the nativity narratives in Luke and Matthew. I am sure some christians can do pretzel logic, and make them agree, but that seems to be “saving the theory” and imposing pointless Exodus-like wandering on a young family for no reason. 8. So, if you want to say “There was a humble rabbi in ancient Palestine named Jesus,” I will go along with you. If you want to say that the Romans crucified a rabbi who caused a ruckus, I’d say sure, why not, it is what Romans did. I am not sure that Jesus was the one crucified. As to the other stories told about Jesus in the letters, acts and gospels, I am sure some of them are true of him, but I defy anyone to say with certainty which ones. Just as we know some Joe Mufferaw stories originate with the real-life lumberjack Joseph Montferrand, but don’t know which, although we know a lot of them are “stretchers”. 9. A note on the “criterion of embarrassment”. There are dodges in the game of religious history game that I don’t see used by historians anywhere else. This “criterion” is one of them. Apparently I am supposed to believe that the jesus character is more “believable” because he was sentenced to a shameful death: if this were not a true fact, followers would be too embarrassed to make it up. Well, a lot of things about the jesus character are unusual, and make for a heck of a great narrative. Just because something is shocking, surprising, or novel doesn’t make it great history. I notice as well that the religious historians forget about the criterion of embarrassment when it comes to the deposition of the body. The story in the gospels allows for the continuation of the plot by arranging a burial in a tomb. Needless to say, real Romans kept the bodies of crucified criminals on the cross until they rotted to pieces. (The Europeans later dipped the bodies in tar, so that they would hang from giblets longer.) I am sure I will add more in time, but this sketch shows my basic response to the claim “all historians agree that jesus really lived”.

@grahamblack1961

Ай бұрын

Do you actually think anyone will read this?

@byrd-is-the-word

21 күн бұрын

Pseudo amateur historian .. your methodology is no better than Simon's ..

Incredibly interesting! Again, a marvelously researched and presented video. Thanks!

I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite KZreadr more than his wife.

@Sanquinity

Жыл бұрын

You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel. Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;

@blakec8549

10 ай бұрын

So. I'll set him up a teleprompter.

Me and Jesus just got done playing suicide squad kill the justice league Worst game we’ve played

This was VERY well done, and respectfully done! Thank you, Simon and Co.!

@karltuinukaufe850

10 ай бұрын

persinallu dizagree

@davidarchibald50

8 ай бұрын

Respect for mad ideas is the end-state of madness.

@fizzcochito

7 ай бұрын

@@davidarchibald50 let me guess, you think christianity set science back and is somehow responsible for wars correct?

@cspahn3221

5 ай бұрын

@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.

Dr. Richard Carrier, PHD of Ancient History, Columbia University. Mythicist

At 0.50 the pic is Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan Kenobi I swear

@druidriley3163

3 ай бұрын

He knows, we all know, it's from a meme joke.

If he worked as a carpenter, there would surely be Roman tax records confirming it.

You could do a bunch of other ones like this too. Did Moses exist? Did he write the Torah? Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic? What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh? Really it's a wealth of material.

@bahreal

4 ай бұрын

I would most definitely watch a couple of these. Didn't even know about polytheistic jews. Gonna go read some more 😅

@dimensionninja4929

4 ай бұрын

there's a documentary I'd like you guys to see search "Mountain of Moses" on youtube, which proves the existence of Moses

@kennethc2466

4 ай бұрын

"Did Moses exist?" ...nope "Did he write the Torah?" ...nope "Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic" ...yep, as Judah Maccabee was a jewish priest...son of a priest "What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh?" ...too dumb to educate yourself, so I'll do it for you! "Instead of preserving a Jewish identity, the group of Samarians that had settled on Elephantine Island developed a Jewish identity. They became Jews, initially not by choice but by circumstance...." Need any more, or did your RELIGIOUS propaganda hit a dead end?

@guiobotelho

3 ай бұрын

Moses didn't exist, he is a myth.

@wozo9210

3 ай бұрын

Sadly it's not worth it as even jewish fundamentalists agree moses never existed

I made someone so angry discussing how Yeshua was a common name used for Jesus back in the day. But it basically translates to Joshua so he’s just some guy named Josh …

@damian_cross

9 ай бұрын

Dunno why that would make someone upset. I'm Catholic and fully accept Jesus' birth name was Yeshua de Nazareth.

@Jacquer68

9 ай бұрын

Since Christ means he was "christened", as in anointed with oils, that means we've technically been worshipping Oily Josh.

@philspaghet

9 ай бұрын

Lol yeah, even in India we say "Yeshua" not "Jesus" when speaking in native tongue

@blakewilliams5344

9 ай бұрын

​@@Jacquer68if you take it from the Greek, sure. But from the Hebrew, where the Greek got it from, it means "one who is" or in other words "the one" or " the chosen one"

@mr.protagonist5639

8 ай бұрын

​@@blakewilliams5344the chosen one, Josh

Can you cover the Horus/Jesus supposed connection, in a future video?

I'm a Christian, just wanna say good job on explaining the historicity of Jesus without poking fun at Christians like most would.

Best new testament moment is Nathaniel being told the Messiah has come from Nazareth and Galilee, to which he replies "how can anything good come from Nazareth and Galilee?" Jesus responds himself: "this man speaks no lies." Classic.

@1x1boop28

8 ай бұрын

You take it out of context, Jesus was not agreeing that nothing good came out of Nazareth and Galilee but rather commending Nathaniel for his honesty (even if Nathaniel was wrong.) The passage you are referring to is from the Gospel of John, chapter 1, verses 43-51. In this passage, Jesus calls Philip to follow him, and Philip goes to find Nathanael and tells him that they have found the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. Nathanael is skeptical and asks, “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” Philip invites Nathanael to come and see for himself. When Jesus sees Nathanael approaching, he says, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” Nathanael is surprised and asks Jesus how he knows him. Jesus replies that he saw Nathanael under the fig tree before Philip called him. Nathanael declares his belief in Jesus as the Son of God and the King of Israel. Jesus tells Nathanael that he will see greater things than these and that he will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man. And no, “an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” was not a nickname for Nathanael. When Jesus said this to Nathanael, he was making a statement about Nathanael’s character. Jesus was saying that Nathanael was a true Israelite, one who was honest and without deceit. This statement was not meant to be a nickname, but rather a description of Nathanael’s character and integrity.

@tim57243

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the citation. Did Nathaniel eventually see Heaven opened? You'd think there would be contemporaneous reports of such a thing. Chinese astronomers taking notes, for example. Otherwise it is bold for Jesus to say that Nathaniel wasn't a liar and then to go on to make such a bizarre claim.

@Wylde_Starr

6 ай бұрын

​@@1x1boop28Taking it out of context was the fun part.

@mattalley4330

5 ай бұрын

So the fact that Galilee had a bad rep proves that Jesus existed? Uhhmm…

@leroysanchino

5 ай бұрын

@@mattalley4330when did anyone say that

I'm glad you put this together regardless of your own beliefs. However I am astounded at the veracity of people's comments, not ro mention how poorly people treat each other online. We are people who live real lives, we shouldn't be involved in petty pissing contests. I don't care if you're right or wrong, you are not justified in being pompous and abrasive.

@hanspetrov4343

Жыл бұрын

Pro tip: dont take everything seriously on the internet

@feakhelek1

11 ай бұрын

@@hanspetrov4343 Your profession is watching Internet videos?

@reh3884

11 ай бұрын

I don't think you know what "veracity" means.

@feakhelek1

11 ай бұрын

@@reh3884 You are correct.

@rubiconnn

10 ай бұрын

It's hard to not be abrasive when those who hold these unverifiable beliefs force their beliefs on everyone through law.

As soon as my time machine is finished I'll go back and let you all know

Simon, the quiet music in the background is irritating as heck, only acting as indistinguishable noise.

Up through about the 4th Century, the prominent competitor to Christianity was Orphism. I'd like to see y'all do a video about that! And of course, as hilariously explored in "Life of Bryan," the reality that there were many who claimed the role of the pending Messiah.

@KingPingviini

Жыл бұрын

And only One who was true Messiah.

@Eng_Simoes

Жыл бұрын

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Life of Brian" is not a documentary.

@RechtmanDon

Жыл бұрын

@@KingPingviini Sure, but which one? There are others who claim others, and there is a majority of people in the world who say none of them were particularly true.

@exasperated

Жыл бұрын

​@@Eng_Simoes But, given it was filmed within many here's lifetimes, and we have the footage, is it more or less real than a Jesus known only from a handful of writings from 2000 years ago, written by people born after the date of his alleged death?

@rahowherox1177

Жыл бұрын

And still do, ... Jerusalem syndrome.

Is the pilate stone “kickass dancer” line an april fool’s joke? I almost fell for it until I google’d it, good job lol

@thatlittlevoice6354

Жыл бұрын

😶

@X-Prime123

Жыл бұрын

​@@williamhutton2126 you are a lost cause.

@coletrain9173

Жыл бұрын

​@@X-Prime123 he still has time

@remiscott7759

Жыл бұрын

​@@williamhutton2126 Google the historicity of Jesus and stop being a tool.

@brianfox771

Жыл бұрын

@@remiscott7759 Sorry, but william hutton is right. The Scholarly Consensus' paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues in terms of reliability. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?

“Pilot piloting & Jesus jesusing” 🤣 Can’t wait to read the other comments!😊

Not even a single reference to the work of historian Dr Richard Carrier. I think you missed the mark in your research on this one.