"Manhunter is Golden age slang for detective" finally answers for me the longstanding question of what his name is supposed to imply. Thank you.

@JamesLawner

3 жыл бұрын

I had this idea that he could’ve been called, “Martian Manhunter”, because he was probably hunting down the Manhunter robots from Oa when they went nuts OR He was part of Oa’s Manhunter program for some reason.

@NatCatKitty

3 жыл бұрын

All I can think of when I hear “manhunt” is Minecraft now lol

@Jose-se9pu

3 жыл бұрын

In spanish-speaking countries, the character was always called "Detective Marciano", which makes more sense than "Martian Manhunter".

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

3 жыл бұрын

I thought Manhunter was what Martians called their police officers

@BjornWithASlash

Жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 that’s probably the in universe justification for such a silly/non fit name by today’s standards.

Wonder Woman: *is on screen for .2 seconds* Movie:AAAAHAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAHAAAAAAAA

@grimbostink7607

3 жыл бұрын

The woman hollering over the movie made me want to eat styrofoam. I'm so pissed they pissed on the WW theme like thag

@marshall879

3 жыл бұрын

After the 4th time that god aweful scream played, I was literally about to throw my food at the screen

@augustdays2268

3 жыл бұрын

Yeaa... That was annoying

@slothy0111

3 жыл бұрын

It didn't really ruin the film for me. It was just something I could laugh at everytime WW was on screen

@AIRDRAC

3 жыл бұрын

*LAMENTING INTENSIFIES*

Perhaps the real League was the Justice we made along the way.

@ZealStarMedia

3 жыл бұрын

Oddly, it makes more sense the other way around.

@davidhatcher7016

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZealStarMedia what?

@ZealStarMedia

3 жыл бұрын

@@kp1x You must’ve replied to the wrong person.

@ZealStarMedia

3 жыл бұрын

@@kp1x Your replying to the wrong person.

Making a 2 hour version of Zacks version? Don’t tempt me bro.

@IScreamedWolf

3 жыл бұрын

👀

@porassrivastava8242

3 жыл бұрын

DO IT!

@ericlayton8888

3 жыл бұрын

@Slippy Frog #releasethetheatricalsyndercutcut

@longc35

3 жыл бұрын

I’d watch a cutdown 2 hour version, not really up for sitting through the current 4 hour one.

@JcBravo8

3 жыл бұрын

Synder himself said he made multiple versions from 2 hours to 4 hours+. So it’s possible :p

Aquaman: I'm out Villagers: let us sing the songs of our people for several minutes

@Kekkersboy

3 жыл бұрын

Over 10 solid minutes of Superman's Death yell

@shroomkingdom8152

3 жыл бұрын

lol, I think the point is this small village views him as a God, protector, like being

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

"Several minutes" They sang for like 1 minute and 5 seconds. Don't know how anyone can turn that into "several minutes" ???

@yaboijosh2645

3 жыл бұрын

Love the movie. That shit was hella cringe haha

@mikejpounder

3 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ they sang in slow mo

The one good thing about Joker: Jared Leto's performance reminds me of Tommy Wiseau.

@Spyweb88

3 жыл бұрын

Oh Hai Batman

@revan0890

3 жыл бұрын

It's not true, I did not hit her. I did not!

@lurker4071

3 жыл бұрын

let me introduce you to the new joker. AAAEEEEEEUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAA

@Chowder12345able

3 жыл бұрын

I did not kill him, it's not true, it's bs, I did not kill him, I did not Oh hi Bats

@franklinturtleton6525

3 жыл бұрын

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART HARLEY

There is a 2 hour and 45 minute cut that flows the best. There would be a two hour cut if we had Cyborg's and Flash's movies before this movie.

@WhyWeWatch1

3 жыл бұрын

And Aquaman's movie beforehand, too

@fruitpuff9388

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I enjoyed the movie but much of it would have been improved if we didn't have to focus on establishing every character's motivations and backstories.

@choreomaniac

3 жыл бұрын

I came to say the same. If we had Flash, Cyborg, WW and Aquaman movies before this, it would have been easy to cut 45 minutes. Cut another 20 minutes by having slomo at normal speed. Cut the ending. Then tighten a minute her and there and you have a 140 minute movie.

@CHIEF__

3 жыл бұрын

I like Cyborg being intertwined with this movie's plot, it's unique. Flash should've had a standalone though, his solo scenes feel like we're watching a completely different movie.

@romaindubray2325

3 жыл бұрын

Cyborg being so tightly linked to the McGuffin makes it pretty hard to introduce him beforehand. I don't think the motherboxes are as big a deal to the DCverse as the infinity stones are to Marvel, so keeping them contained to a single movie makes the most sense. The other characters don't have any reason whatsoever to be introduced in this movie.

Barry saving Iris seems like a scene that would be better saved for a Flash movie. Feels like a few scenes should have been shuffled around. Like, that scene of a janitor running into a parademon and getting killed might have been more effective if we didn't see an army of parademons previously. The scene of Aquaman rescuing that guy from the boat could have been his introduction. Minor stuff like that.

@Jose-se9pu

3 жыл бұрын

Barry is the only character in the movie who doesnt have an origin story...he needed to have a memorable entrance at least.

@pole8740

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jose-se9pu yeah but people who dont know about Iris would just be in a complete confusion on why Zack spent 5 minutes on flash saving her

@michaeldavis8250

3 жыл бұрын

@@pole8740 i dont know who iris is and i dont think i need to in order to understand and enjoy the scene.

@pole8740

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldavis8250 yeah but he used like 8 different slow motion cuts, its emphasising on flash and her but i just dont know why, i cant just turn off my brain and be a kid anymore sorry

@michaeldavis8250

3 жыл бұрын

@@pole8740 you can acknowlege the flaws in a film and forgive them without "turning your brain off," man. Also, the slow motion cuts are used both to emphasize the speed of the Flash and to sell the spectacle of the scene. I still fail to see a problem here.

In all honesty, I think the best way to handle Martian Manhunter's introduction here... is for him to give his actual name. Have him introduce himself as J'onn J'onzz, and at some point (not necessarily even in this movie), have someone else start calling him the 'Martian Manhunter' - especially if he gets a movie set in the '40s as suggested (which would, in fact, be awesome).

@DGenerationMC

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly think making Manhunter responsible for Batman's Knightmares would've made his appearance worth it and the Knightmares actually make sense. Manhunter's powers including telepathy and empathic precognition, right? Well, put them together and you have Manhunter implanting the post-apocalyptic future into Bruce's dreams as warnings in both BvS and The Snyder Cut of what it is to come.

@TheKPhillip

3 жыл бұрын

WB should have just let Snyder introduce Green Lantern. It makes more sense anyway.

@vesper1799

3 жыл бұрын

@@DGenerationMC oh that would be really cool! Telepathy through time!

@braigbrothers

3 жыл бұрын

I was expecting him to say J'onn J'onzz

@memecliparchives2254

3 жыл бұрын

@@DGenerationMC That's what i'm saying. He was possibly implanting those visions in Bruce as he visited him.

"You can call me The Martha Manhunter." "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?" "Eh, well it was my mother's name. Manhunter. Anna Manhunter."

@revan0890

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@centrella

3 жыл бұрын

Martha Manhunter

@wilhelmhedin8845

3 жыл бұрын

No. Anna.

@wilhelmhedin8845

3 жыл бұрын

Martha was my mom.

@wilhelmhedin8845

3 жыл бұрын

Anna was my mother.

Really liked how Cyborg was the heart of the story and had a big part in the finale, same as Flash. However, I definitely would want a more simplified version look for Cyborg with a bit more color. Steppenwolf and Cyborg have a Michael Bay's Transformers vibe to them.

@grimbostink7607

3 жыл бұрын

Fr. Just shards of undulating metal. I liked Cyborg more in this one, but hot damn they will NOT let Ray Fischer ACT in these! Poor guy just has to deadpan all of his line deliveries and is forced to emote in like 2 total scenes. WB, Joss, and Zack did him dirty

@memecliparchives2254

3 жыл бұрын

@@grimbostink7607 You knoe Ray has to stand up for Zack too right?

@byronsenior6499

3 жыл бұрын

I mean other than the teen titans cartoon back in the day adding blue. I think Cyborg is always just silver. Sometimes they add a bit of black. Also I know this is opinion, but I don't think every character needs to be colorful. Grey and silver don't necessarily have to be boring colors. The same way black doesn’t always mean evil.

@aMoodyHipster

3 жыл бұрын

@@byronsenior6499 I think adding some blue circuitry and some black parts for contrast would go a long way, especially since Zack Snyder really likes to make his movies look unsaturated and gray. Teen Titans has my favorite design for Cyborg since he also a distinctive silouhette. In this movie, I honestly think he looks better when you can only see his head and just the red light on his chest under his clothes.

@aMoodyHipster

3 жыл бұрын

@@grimbostink7607 If Cyborg's body was a bit more like Steppenwolf where the metal is shifting around out since he can't control it all the time, I think it would have been a cool effect.

The best way I’ve seen the Snyder Cut described is, the story of how it came to be is more interesting than the movie itself. Like if we got this movie the first time around, we could take it or leave it, but it feels so much bigger now due to the road to bringing it to life.

@captainmarvelous7678

3 жыл бұрын

The Movie is a 6.5 or a 7. The entire DEAL with it and it's legacy and the surprise of it is like a 8.5

@memecliparchives2254

3 жыл бұрын

@@captainmarvelous7678 Yep

@benl.4577

3 жыл бұрын

@@captainmarvelous7678 well said. Plus, the dedication to Autumn at the end made me realize. This is 100% Zack Snyder's. No more excuses about studios or deals. And, this artwork was ultimately made for his daughter. We fans are just along for the ride.

@alphabettical1

3 жыл бұрын

It makes me wonder how kids will watch it a few years from now, having not heard/lived everything leading up to it.

@benedicto2031

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao majority of the people I’ve seen praising this movie don’t even have any idea what happened BTS. I think it’s time you lot just accepted that most think this movie is very good.

I read on twitter that Zack Snyder originally wanted Green Lantern John Stewart but WB didn't allow it. Snyder still wanted to include another POC hero in the movie so he had to go for Martian Manhunter instead.

@skulduggerypleasant9008

3 жыл бұрын

Green is indeed a color

@oldmanlogan9616

3 жыл бұрын

Poc is such a weird way to refer to black or brown people, native english speakers are funny.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

3 жыл бұрын

@@Niop_Tres But both picks were black actors

@mechanicalincandescence391

3 жыл бұрын

@@oldmanlogan9616 POC stands for person of colour, it is more of a blanket term which includes asians

@cezarjulian0320

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t trust everything you read on Twitter. But if that’s true, John Stewart definitely would have been a better choice, considering how they were hyping up the lanterns in this cut

Wonder Woman - Does anything Soundtrack - Ancient Lamentation plays

I like it when Flash grabbed the glizzy

@Wednesday131O

3 жыл бұрын

Hey look a reply.

@Jeff-lc7lp

3 жыл бұрын

Wazzup

@newvision4l314

3 жыл бұрын

Barry the Glizzy Gladiator.

@DABRJ

3 жыл бұрын

I was yelling at my tv GET THE GLIZZY

@dalemediagroup7203

3 жыл бұрын

🅱️lizzy

It’s quite literally my favorite DCEU Film right now

@ivancorredera4241

3 жыл бұрын

Well, the bar is really low at this point, with the exception of Wonder Woman and Shazam. I don’t think Joker (2019) counts.

@jgrey4066

3 жыл бұрын

Yea it’s my new favorite

@EvillClown11

3 жыл бұрын

If there wasn’t the Aries twist at the end, Wonder Woman could’ve been so much better

@TheGreatFuckinWorm

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvillClown11 I keep thinking this. Ares being in the film was a blunder.

@captainmarvelous7678

3 жыл бұрын

I'm probably there with you. This and then Man of Steel are the only ones that I think are actually above average movies.

Watching this movie as its own without EVER having seen the 2017 Justice League was quite the experience

@daniellins4114

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious to know the perspective of someone like you, all my friends have watched the 2017 one

@DGenerationMC

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniellins4114 I haven't seen the theatrical cut of JL and have never felt the need to. I put off seeing BvS for YEARS until seeing it about a month ago in preparation for the Snyder Cut. Long story short, BvS (Ultimate Edition) was the most frustrating comic book film I've ever seen and The Snyder Cut of JL was pretty ok with a lot of small moments impressing me. The fleshing out of Cyborg (along with Steppenwolf) was superb, Flash was actually entertaining, Batfleck earned has status as arguably the best iteration of that character (shame his movies weren't as good as Bale's though) and I was finally driven to unironically cheer for Superman. But the overly long music video scenes for Aquaman and Wonder Woman's theme might have given my ears PTSD.

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

I envy you haha

@kevinphiggins

3 жыл бұрын

That’s how I did it and it ruled

@matthewgutierrez2824

3 жыл бұрын

this is what i did and i liked it

I could not stop seeing HBO Ozymandias every time Alfred walked into frame.

Imagine waking up from an apocalyptic nightmare then meeting an alien introduce himself as MARTIAN MAN HUNTER

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

3 жыл бұрын

Surprised Bruce wasn't scared

@anmatrix5207

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 like he hasn't seen worse

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

3 жыл бұрын

@@anmatrix5207 But him calling himself Manhunter would freak anyone out

@anmatrix5207

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 haha yeah

The Norweigean people are actually Icelandic and are speaking Icelandic, also of the three women in the front at 4:54 the one on the right is Ágústa Eva who competed at eurovision in the early 2000’s Another ester egg, she was also my kidnergarten teacher

@byronsenior6499

3 жыл бұрын

Wow... that's pretty cool lol.

@zahirjunejo7490

3 жыл бұрын

cool

@user-eh1gc7xo7q

3 жыл бұрын

Cool

@Notstephjr

3 жыл бұрын

Cool

@oldmanlogan9616

3 жыл бұрын

I wish my kindergarten teacher was in a scene with Aquaman :/

Re: Act 3 big super hero moment: “If you’ve seen the movie, you know exactly what I’m talking about”... I actually don’t know what he’s talking about... is it Barry?

@futureboy314

3 жыл бұрын

I also don’t know what he means. Could some smarter person weigh in?

@victorhale

3 жыл бұрын

Def Barry Allen

@zarinaa1135

2 жыл бұрын

I was so confused too! I was so done by the that I couldn't remember it. When he then talked about Barry it suddenly clicked.

Also should Martian Manhunter help out in the world-ending conflict? Seems very cowardly. He shows up at the end, saying: "hey if something like this, but not this, happens again, I may stop by to help out a little."

@captainmarvelous7678

3 жыл бұрын

Why should he have helped before? He's not human. He's hiding here illegally. If you were illegally living in another country would you be in a hurry to join their army if they got attacked?

@charlespuruncajas9663

3 жыл бұрын

Well this seems kinda Captain Marvel in the MCU, but applying logic, Martian Manhunter has precognition skills, maybe he was waiting for the creation of the proper JL

@GMYSTERYICTNF

3 жыл бұрын

I like to believe he was actually busy keeping the military away from the Russian city so the Justice League could do their thing without interference Either that or he didn't wanna help because there was alot of fire

@bchamp1

3 жыл бұрын

@@captainmarvelous7678 If the attacker is gonna destroy the place I'm hiding out on yeah maybe.

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

The "world ending conflict" has not happend yet

Part of why you go to a superhero movie is because you like the characters and you want to watch them fight. Wonder Woman was literally blocking bullets with her gauntlets and standing a foot in front of those hostages saving their lives, was amazing. This scene showed how she's inspires others from the little girl asking her if she could be like her when she grows up

@thatmovienitpicker8070

Жыл бұрын

But did that matter to the Snydercut as a movie? No. And, if this was a 2 hour movie, that’d be fine… But it’s not.

7:14 I've seen the movie 3 times and I have NO IDEA what moment you're talking about here

@bobwilson679

3 жыл бұрын

SAME. WTH Nando? Just say: Okay Spoilers in 10 seconds. If you don’t want to be spoiled skip to _this time._

@bretthake7713

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Landed here while searching comments to figure out what he's referencing. Nando! What's the deal!?

@rob.carrillo

3 жыл бұрын

@@bretthake7713 if you find out from another comment or something let me know

@bretthake7713

3 жыл бұрын

@@rob.carrillo the only thing I found was another person saying the same thing as you and a reply saying Barry Allen. This makes me think they're talking about him reversing time

I love how Nando's "Hot take" about the post apocalyptic ending is exactly how basically everyone feels

@Roykirk

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, probably the worst thing about the Snyder Cut. Could have cut it and lost nothing at all.

@yaboijosh2645

3 жыл бұрын

Nope 🤷

@venomsnake225

3 жыл бұрын

Nah I wanted it, I liked it, I think it added to the movie aswell as be a good tease for JL2

@almightyguy3987

3 жыл бұрын

not me nor everybody I know feels the same way

@kennethha416

3 жыл бұрын

I mean I liked the scene itself but I don't like it's placement in the movie

I think this may have been the most honest take on the Snyder Cut and I really appreciate it. Thank you Nando V Movies.

We've had a lot of superhero movies over the last decade where a character's Superhero Name was never even said out loud, and it was fine. If there was ever a character where that should've applied, it's Martian Manhunter. And they did it so on the nose. I didn't actually know that "manhunter" was a term for private detective, though. And now I want a solo movie of John Jones as P.I. that's a period piece that actually contextualizes that terminology.

i absolutely hated the conversation with flash and batman about “saving just one”, because i feel barry is just so instinctively protective that he would just try to help in anyway

@jimmyjam5453

3 жыл бұрын

That mad flash look so weak.

@yuvi3000

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that we got to see Superman learn his abilities and become a hero, but we didn't get to see that for Flash. So there's some people that want him to just be a hero and some people (like me) that would prefer to have seen a proper origin for him where he actually becomes a hero in his own right. Some moments in both versions of the Justice League movie show that they're trying to catch Flash up (ironically) to the rest of the heroes but he deserved to have that story in his own movie before the team up.

This was a great movie experience for me. The only issues i had the film was 1. The dialogue at certain parts of the film. 2. The constant use of the Wonder Woman's theme every time she had an action sequence on camera. 3. The children singing as Aquaman dives into the ocean. 4. The last scene with Martian Manhunter was not necessary.

As a 4 hour movie, this movie competes with things like Wrestlemania and Wrestle Kingdom.

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

Or Avengers Endgame times a hundred

@AB.a1.6

3 жыл бұрын

Never excepted a shout-out Wrestle Kingdom shoutout here

@DGenerationMC

3 жыл бұрын

@@AB.a1.6 Shoutout to Zack Snyder for maintaining WRIST CONTROL.

@ShinSuperSaiyajin

3 жыл бұрын

Justice League over Wrestlemania any day. Wrestlemania is a chore to watch.

Truth be told Nando, I'm not sure that a 2-hour version of this film would even be fully coherent(it would be definitely better than what we got in 2017 though). I think that there's just too much that they need to cover in this one film; establishing 2-3 new characters and a lot of background. However, I do think it could definitely be trimmed down to about 2.5 - 3 hours(a lot of scenes that were just a little too long and some scenes that could easily be removed altogether).

@GMYSTERYICTNF

3 жыл бұрын

In this day and age TV shows are kinda doing better than movies Cinemas are dying out, it's a sad thing but truthful The Boys is a great example, you spend alot more time with the characters than in a simple 2 hour movie, Marvel did this thing where characters would show up in other movies so its basically a really long series Well if you just stream line it and go for series you'll have a much better time A 4 hour movie seems like alot when you put it that way A 4 episode mini series you binge for 4 hours Makes it seem alot less long

@conorowens8382

3 жыл бұрын

@@GMYSTERYICTNF People have been predicting the end of cinema for years, maybe even decades, and they’re always proven wrong. People enjoy the cinema experience and the industry has only gotten stronger with each year. So good look with that theory What do you mean tv shows have been “doing better” than movies? If you mean they are more profitable, than that’s blatantly false. If you mean they are better at telling stories, that’s a subjective opinion. At the end of the day, a four hour long movie IS different to a mini series. Movies are paced differently, and the episodes in a series have a self contained narrative, with a beginning, middle and end. Obviously they are interconnected but they have to also be watchable on their own. The same can’t be said about the Synder Cut, each part does not work on its own. It’s clearly meant to be watched in one sitting.

It’s SO simple. make Flashpoint. When it’s done, change everything that didn’t work. Keep everything that did, and then just keep the DCEU going forever

@haydenfisher1387

3 жыл бұрын

That HAS to be what the Flash solo movie is going to be about. They even got Micheal Keaton Batman!

@bigman0822

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, watch the film theory vid, he honestly makes me excited for the flash film.

i believe Martian Manhunter didn't fit in, and all this footage that didn't fit, but I just viewed it as Snyder's bonus clips. He put all of the footage on the table, probably knowing he won't get this chance again. That's the perspective I get from this. Still a good to great film!

@xav7erckp

3 жыл бұрын

I saw in a interview from ZS where he said that originally he didn’t plan for a Martian Manhunter appearance, the epilogue was supposed to end with the appearance of green lantern warning batman. Warner bros didn’t want him to use Green lantern so he had to pick another hero who could fit the idea of extraterrestrial help against Darkseid. That’s probably why the scene where MMH incarnate Martha Kent feels wrong, i speculate that it was supposed to be just a regular Martha+Loïs emotionnal scene at first but he changed things to make the appearance of MMH consistent.

If you play all the SLOMO scenes in this movie at regular speed it would be 45 min long.

@somerandolad

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, they gotta justify that four hour runtime somehow.

@euansmith3699

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a really interesting cut.

@thewinchester7955

3 жыл бұрын

25

@jimmyjam5453

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a cut where the slowmo is spread up to normal speed.

@arafat9828

3 жыл бұрын

no

My primary takeaway is this: I want a four hour Guardians cut. Release the #NandoCut

Having not seen either cut of this movie: strongly disagree that you can cut the Wonder Woman scene where she stops the terrorists at the bank. How many scenes are there, in either version, depict the heroes actually *saving* people? If we're cutting scenes with superheroes blocking bullets aimed at innocent people and tossing bombs into the sky at the last second, we're cutting what makes them superheroes in the first place. Anyway, keep up the interesting content!

@thatmovienitpicker8070

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but when you have a 4 hour movie, you can’t include that stuff, especially when Wonder Woman already has a movie

How about a video on Lex Luther isn’t Lex Luther in the DCEU?

@sullivandmitry1416

3 жыл бұрын

He the son and frankly he was interesting. I enjoyed his character and accepted it wasn’t a traditional copy paste of boring old Lex like we’ve had for the last 40 years.

@pepsififa3205

3 жыл бұрын

@@sullivandmitry1416 that's what I've been telling people for ever and they always come to the same conclusion " I didn't know that.. that makes me like him more"

@oldmanlogan9616

3 жыл бұрын

Lex LuthOr

I watched it in one sitting and my first thought was “that was really good but it didn’t need to be 4 hours”

Can't wait until the flash movie, when he meets Iris for the first time again.

THANK YOU FOR NOT BEING AFRAID TO SPEAK YOUR MIND....literally every other youtuber who covered this was scared of backlash

5:01 and 7:01 HIGHLY disagree. They shot the arrow to warn Diana and send her to the ruins where the history of what happened in the past, resided. It was crucial to her character to introduce the information necessary for the rest of the movie. Aquaman scene at 7:01 was necessary to show the chip on his shoulder, that would eventually play out in the Aquaman movie. In this Justice League movie, it was to show his acceptance of his Atlantean culture and work with it against a single cause.

@rui5421

3 жыл бұрын

these likely make the most sense in retrospect. 5:01 doesnt need to be so long, and really this is only really necessary if it pays off. With this being the end of all of this story, it really doesnt matter. 7:01 doesnt matter because the theatrical cut and aquaman adequately convey that issue without needing to force it into the justice league movie. if this had all been done well, we could have had man of steel, a batman movie that introduces this batman and hints at the coming confict with superman. Wonder Woman that introduces Diana, and parts of atlantis. BvS, Flash movie that introduces cyborg, and THEN Justice league. The fact they thought they could make this work in 3 steps was insane and ultimately pointless.

@danielhenderson3753

Жыл бұрын

It's a very important point, but in a standard movie the arrow scene would have been 20-30 seconds long, tops. It was super drawn out, like so many other things that didn't need to be.

@yuvi3000

Жыл бұрын

@@rui5421 I think that your idea for small team ups and introductions works great. Especially since many don't want every single character to need their own movie. (I personally would rather get more small stories than few big stories, but your suggestion is exactly what I think works as well.)

@thatmovienitpicker8070

Жыл бұрын

The arrow scene doesn’t have to be THAT LONG though

Extra long scene like saving iris. Those are for the fans, they were really cool. And since it came out on streaming it is perfect, you can pause it and get food you know.

@dallas1303

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think it shows Barry's powers and "heroicness" (don't know the term lol) by him going out of his way to save a random person. Another thing, is that is shows his experience. Every step he takes is super careful (being the fastest thing in the universe and all, you could destroy things pretty easily with that speed). He uses his palms to move Iris, and very gently sets her on the ground

I'm not a Snyder fan by any means, but most of the stuff before the dream sequence crap at the end makes for a pretty damn good movie. If it was trimmed down to 3 hours, I'd love it.

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

wtf

@johnstovall7503

2 жыл бұрын

I agree the whole destruction stuff just doesn't work for me but everything else was great!

My #1 gripe is the warrior scream that they played EVERY SECOND that wonder woman was on screen

You can easily watch it in 2 sittings, and the movie is very cohesive this way.

@dreadknotrecord9472

3 жыл бұрын

Its definitely not

Well Martian Manhunter was supposed to be Green Lanterns Hal Jordan and John Stewart

This is exactly how I felt about the movie as well. I would only add the pet cemetery bit when Superman attacks. Not the buildup to it but just the one line the Flash says. It's only a couple seconds, it's hilarious and if you someone doesn't get the joke it's done already so they shouldn't care. If that was tossed in there I would be happy too. Great vid.

Flash using the speed force tho 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 fucking legendary

I think the first half of the film can be trimmed down. There were a lot of dull spots, the second half of the movie was solid and keeps my attention pretty well.

I think the volko scene is necessary to explain why Arthur goes to Atlantis a place he hates

@romaindubray2325

3 жыл бұрын

It's used liked that, that doesn't make it "necessary".

@shaunrichards3869

3 жыл бұрын

It’s necessary for some of us.

@tipcherubin7163

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely necessary.

@romaindubray2325

3 жыл бұрын

@@tipcherubin7163 @shaun richards The explanation being necessary doesn't make that scene necessary.

about martian manhunter: do you think he's impersonating a general because of the CW Supergirl version?

@CoalDiamondandhisawesomeness

3 жыл бұрын

No. What really happened is it's more of just something he put in because people were theorizing that General Swanwick was Martian Manhunter and he thought that was cool so he put a cameo in Justice League to confirm that theory. I'm sure he wanted to give him an actual story in the sequel, but yeah it's just fan service. That's fine, but the bad part is that if anyone who isn't really a comic fan and doesn't know who Martian Manhunter watches the movie, they will be super confused.

I literally forgot that favrou was in dare devil. So stark stole happy from matt. 😂

I couldn't have reviewed this video better myself. Perfect amount of harshness on the Martian Manhunter thing, and I love that character!! I'm so hyped I'm avout to go sign up for curiosity stream and then head to patreon lol

Why does it have to be 2 hours? It can be 3 hours. Endgame was 3 hours and it was great.

@ericlayton8888

3 жыл бұрын

It was great but in my opinion it was still too long. Obviously there was a lot to do in it and beyond a certain point a movie has to be a certain length but my concentration was slipping by the time it got to the big fight at the end

@johnstovall7503

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericlayton8888 While I love along movie but didn't care for Endgame.

@ylvavarynkottir2265

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnstovall7503 yeah, I actually preferred Infinity War to Endgame. Both were great, but I liked Infinity War's pacing a bit better.

I loved the whole thing, and I never watched the theatrical release. That said, these are excellent criticisms, and I agree with every single one. I absolutely WOULD love a series set in the post-apocalyptic future, but it's gotta go a different route than, say, Injustice.

It’s an improvement over the theatrical cut (save for a handful of moments), as the characters have more dignified personalities and Cyborg gets his character arc back. However, judged solely on its own merits, I think it’s just fine. It’s watchable enough and has solid acting and cinematography, but the story doesn’t have much to write home about.

I feel like people still have hype goggles with this movie. Don't get me wrong, I definently think it's better than the Joshtice League, but it suffers from some of the same problems the Joshtice League does. For example, StepenWolf, while better than in the Joshtice League, is still pretty bad, he went from Malekith do...something better than Malekith. And that's without mentioning the more...personally bad stuff, like Snyder's directorial style, which is being praised in this while hated in Snyder's other movies by the same people. Again, I definently think it's better than Joshtice League, and as Nando said, even though the whole Twitter thing and fans was...weird to say the least, I am happy for Zack. I just believe people aren't seeing it's flaws because of all the hype it had and how it delivered on being better than the Joshtice League. As for the duration thing...I mean, i definently think a Snyder Cut - Cut would be awesome, but as someone who watches every Thursday 3-5 hour DnD show...yeah, I don't mind that much.

@darkfire2942

3 жыл бұрын

It has flaws but I feel as though people are getting that confused with just nitpicks and personal likes and dislikes. A movie can objectively have a flaw but those who pick at them suddenly always diverge from what may make the movie flawed as whole, and go more so into what makes it flawed for them. Like how none of these characters could be to ur exact liking of how they are in the comics. Or the directing style. These all seem like personal nitpicks that I’m not saying u shouldn’t have, but I wouldn’t say they should make the film bad as a whole for the people who liked. The people saying it’s a great film are either people who had been wanting this for a long time or those who genuinely weren’t expecting much from it. I’m one of those people. So yea I see your point, but hype goggles or not, they liked what they saw and that should be more than enough. No one is saying that the film doesn’t have flaws.

@redtaileddolphin1875

3 жыл бұрын

Jsyk the director of Justice League 2017 was Joss Whedon, so nando is saying Josstice

@perezortegavalentin9343

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkfire2942 A lot of people are, unfortunetly. About the other thing, of course, personal dislikings are different than flaws, that's why I separated my Steppenwolf example from Zack's direction style.

@gin9410

3 жыл бұрын

I mean I expected to fucking despise the movie, as i did the original, but i was genuinely surprised, I still dislike a few parts (Martian Manhunter didn't need to be there) but I genuinely think it's a way better experience than the Josstice league. The 4 hour runtime was good for me, really good, I've watched the LotR movies in a day, this is child's play I gave the original a 2/10 this was a solid 7.5/10

@TheUltimateWriterNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkfire2942 but plenty of people ARE saying or inferring that the film is a flawless masterpiece.

7:14 So pretty sure I know what scene Nando is talking about also Spoilers It's the scene where Barry goes faster then the speed of light to save everyone.

@Roykirk

3 жыл бұрын

Could be. I don't know what scene Nando's talking about either, but that's a likely candidate.

@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688

3 жыл бұрын

@@Roykirk Yeah it's just a theory,a film theory

@Vesohag

3 жыл бұрын

It is obvioulsy that one. I am surprised how many people are not getting it, haha.

To be honest, I don't think the "parts" are meant as chapters, but meant as pause time, like interludes at the opera: but instead of one interlude between two sections, we had like 5 interludes between the 6 parts.

huge dc fan, massive martian manhunter fan, and whilst the snyder cut was great id still give it a 6/10, but considering id give the original 2/10 its aa huge improvent

Idk if anyone else felt this way, but the manhunter scene, especially where he says his name, it feels to me at lot like the scene in Star Trek: Into Darkness where Khan goes "my name... is khan" and then we the audience are supposed to go like oooOOOOooh and the characters just stand there like "ok cool is that supposed to mean something"

If there was a sixth not nice thing I’d say, Superman did not need to come back to life in this movie. I get that he’s supposed to be their Godzilla threshold against Steppenwolf, but he never really seemed all that tough and they already had three heavy hitters anyway. So when Superman shows up to clobber Steppenwolf, it feels less like the tables have turned and more just another character to beat the crap out of him. In fact, Supes got some major plot armor in that scene because Steppenwolf’s ax should’ve cut him in half. Superman’s invulnerability has never been that strong before. But even then, it felt like Superman returning to life required its own film. Having him return with like 30 or so minutes left felt like a waste of a good idea.

@isaaccpt6643

3 жыл бұрын

What if theres not another JL? I think he made the choices he did incase theres not another one

@yuvi3000

Жыл бұрын

In other NandoVMovies videos, he says pretty much what you've said. Although in his Justice League rewrite (before the Snyder Cut was released), he had a very different story that would have worked much better as a sort of team-up prequel to the whole Steppenwolf arrival and allowed the DCEU to properly build up to it.

I don't have much of an issue with the black suit because the first thing Superman does with it, is go straight to space to recharge (fulfilling in the main intended purpose for it being in the black color). If that scene was not there and he immediately went for Steppenwolf, then it would be just a color change with no other purpose to suggest in the "show not tell category". I agree that ZSJL can be edited down from 4 hours. Take out the epilogue, some of the indulgent character scenes (like the Aquaman one you mentioned) and the slow mo scenes, I do believe we could have gotten around a coherent 3 hour theatrical cut of this movie even in 2017. I personally enjoyed watching it and at least felt there was a purpose/through-line from MoS, BvS Ultimate and now with ZSJL to how characters were portrayed. It made sense to me.

17:50 can’t believe you’re doing a director’s cut (the Nando Cut, if you will) of this video!

my family watched this straight with no breaks at all. guess we got used to it from binge watching kdramas, which are usually 1hr per ep 😂

"I dont want to spoil this really cool thing happening in the finale" keeps on talking about the last 15 minutes that come after that scene lol

This is the first review where I’ve agreed with EVERYTHING said! Specifically I don’t get the love fest for Barry Allen and shoehorning in Martian Manhunter

Here is my take on the black suit : if you want to make a black and white version, don't make a COLOR CHANGE that important to your movie

I’d probably make a 3 hour version as the “Theatrical Cut” version of this and then release this 4 hour version as an Extended Cut. The only scenes I’m positive I’d cut are the villagers singing about Aquaman, the Iris West scene(she never appears or is mentioned again so a little pointless), and the whole Knightmare sequence. Just giving someone any ideas if you want to make that kind of version.

@keithwilliams1795

3 жыл бұрын

Diana having already been taught as a child about Darkseid and the motherboxes would cut that temple scene out as well.

@guspeixoto7740

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithwilliams1795 yeah that could work. Or trimmed instead and have that painting of Darkseid be the only thing she sees?

@daniellins4114

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why the scene with Aquamen saving a boat was even in the original movie, but it could be really trimmed down, if not removed

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

Cutting out two of the best scenes in the movie... oh man

@ac5849

3 жыл бұрын

Personally I’d rather have it split into 2 parts since the tunnel battle ends at the 2 hour mark and would be a good ending to part 1.

I’m glad they improved the flash and cyborg scenes, but Jesus Christ, the flash suit is gonna kill me

@tuffdude7795

3 жыл бұрын

Also I don't get why Superman took the black suit. He wasn't a bad guy in this movie and there was no other reasoning behind him taking it. He just decides he wants the black suit this time

@captainmarvelous7678

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuffdude7795 you always wear the same clothes? Lol. But seriously though the Black suit helps him absorb radiation better than the regular one.

@tuffdude7795

3 жыл бұрын

@@captainmarvelous7678 That wasn't explained at all in the movie unless I missed it

@_hoops14_18

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuffdude7795 in the comics he wears the black suit when hes first resurrected i heard

@blue_lancer_es

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuffdude7795 zack painted it post production.

Your 2 second pitch for a 40s noir Martian Manhunter is everything I need

Alright. Time for me to make that edit. See you all in a couple months

Martian Manhunter, the Swiss Army knife of superheroes, was looking at things from afar and then saying thanks afterwards instead of........joining them??? Imagine Captain Marvel at the end of Infinity War being like “Oh I wasn’t far into space, I was getting a latte. Thanks for trying tho. You guys looked great.”

@RevolutionaryLoser

3 жыл бұрын

I genuinely think he was scared of revealing his identity because humanity is so hateful and racist.

@nothingherezero7182

3 жыл бұрын

And also probably doing Military Jobs or Trying to not Make america well Have control on superman

Still waiting for the WW84 rewrite...

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

And 2015 fantastic four movie

@moygame159

3 жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420 lol he also said that?

@srstriker6420

3 жыл бұрын

@@moygame159 he did?

One thing I really liked is how animalistic stephenwolf is. He looks like a shark/bull when fighting and that was amazing

Can we talk about how the Martian Martha scene took away Batman agency in bringing Lois to the Superman fight, meaning that Bruce ignored the advice from future self? He never saved Lois and the ending Wastland scene means nothing, because we se the future created by ignoring the advice, like in this one. Also, I want a Wasteland Batman film

I saw this movie in black and white and so I didn't even know that Supes was in the black suit till now. Geeze, they really just thought we'd all fan-swoon at that. Missed the mark by a long shot.

Ill be honest, when I saw the post apocalypse scene, I thought Snyder was trying to set up an Injustice-esque universe.

@daniellins4114

3 жыл бұрын

What, isn't he?

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

Yea us that are fans have known this since 2016 now. Welcome to the party. Justice League 2 would have mostly taken place in that apocalypse timeline.

@TheUltimateWriterNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ uS tHaT aRe FaNs lol

@thewinchester7955

3 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ god i want to see that so bad

I think it’s AWESOME they showed us the whole lot. They bundled it up and delivered it amazingly. I’m inline with you, this is a Directors Cut of the Snyder Cut so you do have to enjoy it with invested interest. Great video!

I hope with streaming these days, more movies become longer. The 2hr movie is for theatres, now that theatres are phasing out we should make 4hr movies a new norm

"No spoilers, but if you've seen the movie, you know what I'm talking about!" I have no idea what you're talking about. 'It's at the end' really doesn't narrow it down.

There’s so much restraint coming from this man, trying to express that it isnt a great movie, but also trying to avoid upsetting the mega fans of this cut XD

@AdellRedwinters

3 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say, he sounds so frustrated the whole time he's trying to speak about the movie haha. Synder's toxic mega fans are scary!

@MaxIronsThird

3 жыл бұрын

So he wants to make money without being true to himself, AKA he's a sell-out, okay. It's been a couple of years since Nando's content has taken a downturn really bad.

@The80sWolf_

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdellRedwinters The toxic mega fans that the Snyder haters made up as something to use as a trashing tool. Exactly like SJW's needs their racists, or whatever they find in their political opponents.

@TheUltimateWriterNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ lol - says one of the toxic megafans.

@ZealStarMedia

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely like this movie, but I agree with Nando that there should be a perfect version of this movie, one that manages to depict Superman in a heroic light (like the Whedon version) and give us amazing moments like “Faster than light”.

Love the podcast. Can wait to listen the you and the boys to speak freely on this. Can someone answer this for me: how did MM know I out the future conflict?

I read that Zach originally had John Stuart Green Lantern at the end talking to Bruce and even shot the scene with him but WB understandably said not to because they have future plans for him and Zach found that reasonable enough and changed the scene to Martian Manhunter. Not sure if that Martha scene was shot before or after that decision though.

Martian man hunter at the end was supposed to be Green Lantern, it Warner Brothers begged Zack Snyder to not use green lantern so instead he just used Martian Manhunter

0:11 well that was a short video

yeah i'm also looking forward for someone to recut this into a manageable length lmao

Just wish I could have seen what was happening during the fight scenes at times.

@johnstovall7503

2 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what you're talking about.

This movie never existed. I recall reading a story saying it was "unwatchable". Whatever this movie would've been it has changed through time, hindsight and changing sensibilities. It's definitely nothing like the movie that would've come out if Zack had made it originally. I think he still indulges some of his worst instincts. Like excessive slo mo and overlong scenes. Given that he made this without the studio because it was going to streaming you can be sure they would've involved themselves much more in a cut that would have gone to theatres.

@daniellins4114

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the unwatchable comment was referring to the fact the cut was unfinished and unedited back when Snyder made that comment, that is what the money to make it was spent on, I think the only reshoots were the final scenes

@ayoiawe

3 жыл бұрын

97 percent of the movie was shot before the release of the theatrical version. U do know that this version is the compromise between him and the studio story wise before whendon came with his reshoots

This film had more endings then Return of the King. Also, the CGI is OK, I like the over the top cartoony design, they look good.

I think calling it not a movie because it’s 4 hours long is a bit of an odd statement. Throughout the history of film, there have been movies of all lengths released, and the precedent that “a movie should be between 1hr30 and 2hrs30” was only really set in the 1980s. I do get that a shorter version could be useful for casual audiences, and I’ll say with complete confidence that if Zack Snyder has been able to complete the vision in 2017, that would have been the version, it would not have been this 4 hour epic we got this time around. But, the pacing does work, and you do get the impression that this is the raw version that Snyder wanted to release, if anything I think this might be a precedent for studios to be a little less apprehensive towards longer films going forward

@Vesohag

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

I completely agree about the "different version of something else that doesn't actually exist" feeling. I get that same feeling watching Pacific Rim, like my brain keeps trying to fill-in the voltron-esque anime series that I would have loved as a kid so much that I almost felt nostalgia watching it the first time.

I would love a Martian manhunter set in the 40s dc has already done a few period pieces

Absolutely right! Superman, Batman, even WW....they just don’t feel like themselves to me.

@pepsififa3205

3 жыл бұрын

Why though? I hear that a lot but never understood how they're not themselves

I learned 90% of the things I know about Martian manhunter from nando explaining it in this video. He really needs to be in more

Your 5/5 approach is a great one

I completely agree about Jared Leto. I've never liked him. I didn't take to his Dallas Buyers Club character (I was very conscious of his performance which meant he didn't successfully disappear into that character for me), so I wasn't surprised his first Joker in SS was terrible. He was very much more subdued in the Snyder cut but I also believe it's probably because he took a lot of cues from the Oscar-winning Jokers that came before. In that regard, my opinion of Leto is that he's not so much an artiste as he is a mimic.

I hate the pose Ezra Miller makes when flash is about to run so much

@paizleypeep4120

3 жыл бұрын

It's so anime though I kinda love it

@edward4840

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought the superspeed looked really fake and bad

Legit can't wait for the discussion in the podcast. After watching this version, Maggie Mae Fish and Curio's videos about Snyder filmography make so much more sense

@Vesohag

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I thought those videos made way less sense now.

The end "nightmare" sequence you mentioned made me think they were teasing the Injustice video game storyline