I think the ability to order any unit really carries him more the the CP tbh. Honestly his melee for Guard isnt bad either

@markstewardson4006

6 ай бұрын

agreed the extra CP is nice but the orders is where it is at

@giantninja9173

6 ай бұрын

yeah having him and Creed on the field really lets you go ham on the stratagems

@thejosephchrist

6 ай бұрын

I agree. You technically don't need a Tank Commander if you have him on the field I'm guessing. Throw him in a unit with a command squad and he can shoot those orders 24" across the board. (haha and I just got to the point of the video where Mordian is talking about this as I'm writing this comment. )

@SZUPERhun

6 ай бұрын

Tbh that fix 1 bonus CP is a must. Without it you can't throw grenades and use reinforcement. With Creed you can Fields of Fire in every turn and with Solar you can basically reinforcement every turn AND use a 1 CP stratagem. Grenade is your best way to damage something because guard has not much devastating or mortal wounding units or Rapid Ingress could be useful too generally.

@baconbliss4796

6 ай бұрын

Attilan rough riders are underrated to and he can lead them

I kinda wish Creed could order Squadron units at least.

I really feel like he's mandatory in most Hybrid or Superheavy lists. But if you skew hard towards either Infantry or Mech he is usually too expensive for the role he fills.

@operator9858

6 ай бұрын

But in a mechanized army he can order the chimera AND the firing deck and then if the chimera goes down can still order the unit inside around and when it comes to ogryns thats your only option anyways...

@johnwillett3579

6 ай бұрын

​@@operator9858 firing deck states that the transport carrying the units counts as being equipped with 1 weapon from each of X number of models embarked (where X is the number stated next to the firing deck key word) so any buffs (like take aim) applied to the transport will apply to firing deck weapons without needing to buff the embarked units.

@operator9858

6 ай бұрын

@@johnwillett3579 um...the rules im looking at say that 'it counts as being equipped with all of the weapons you selected in this way.'

@LB-yg2br

6 ай бұрын

@@operator9858 right, so you just need to buff the transport. You don't need to separately order the unit inside. The way you wrote your comment sounded a bit like you thought it would be two separate orders.

@operator9858

6 ай бұрын

@@LB-yg2br my point was that you got a 2 for 1...

The Tank Commanders are back in Mordian’s good graces. Tread lovers rejoice!

my biggest issue with lord solar is that he should be lone operative or have the same order range as a master vox as he rules the astra militarum.

Suddenly.... T'was nice knowing you, buddy. Leontus? Hardly knew her! XD You'll get your own Black Library book one day!

@MordianGlory love this. I've been struggling in crusade without him. I just wanted a good overview, and this was it.

I think he’s about as close to an auto include as he can get and I think it’s by design. His ability to order anything added with extra command points ? Yeah I’d say it’s a no brainer.

I’ve just finished painting him. Not played with him yet. Actually I’ve just joined the guard, got a 2140point army built and painted now. I can’t wait to play my first game with them. Your channel has been very helpful I’ve been watching them and listening to them while working. So thank you for your help.

He 100% is an auto include for tank lists, since he can order ANY Astra mitarum unit. Outside of that he's just a very good character

the problem with taking 3 tank commanders is that they don't get the abilities for their specific weapons. I think for example the demolishers ability is better than the tank commander ability? I've always found that an army that can give all my tanks a bs of 3 is the best option.

@EmperorSigismund

6 ай бұрын

Most tank abilities roughly amount to getting +1 to hit or better when you use them in a good spot. Tank Commanders cost extra to get a roughly equivalent bonus that can be broken by battleshock or by simply losing your commander or another tank. For example BS 4+ with full re-rolls is better than BS 3+ especially when you have access to lethal hits.

I'd love to but the horse upsets me. Thinking of converting mine onto an Outrider bike doing a wheelie to keep the profile similar

I still take ihm with a command squad. It just makes Sense since i always play hybrid guard with many different models.

I’m considering running two units of 3 Armoured Sentinels instead of a couple of Russes for Reinforcement shenanigans. Going to take Creed instead in a command blob with Grand Strategist on the platoon commander. Then two FOB Bombast units and two Armoured Sentinel squads. Don’t need Leontus for that.

@spymaster0017

6 ай бұрын

try 3 squades of 2 armoured sentinels reason being is that they would never get battle shock by unit lost

@norabder8816

6 ай бұрын

​@@spymaster0017only downside with this is it makes reinforcements and orders less efficient. Youd need 2 orders instead of 3 and reinforcement gets you 2 models back not 3.

Tank commanders hitting on 4s is horrible! Also redeployment with Gaunts Ghosts is amazing for blocking forward deploys

In infantry he still offers good offensive buffs. My favorite Is you have room for rapid ingress for tempustus sions. But also suppressive fire, inspired commands, and granades still can be very useful.

Lord solar in a 20 man unit of Krieg with a platoon command squad with a vox caster (315pts) you now have 24 inch range to issue orders to any unit that needs it, tank commander is 205pts can only order 1 squadron unit. For the extra points your getting durability, order range, a bunch of special weapons, 3 orders and versatility of units you can order. Tank commanders can't even order themselves either and their max order range is 12 inches. I just can't see how in any world the Tank commander is superior.

@gangsterguardsman4576

6 ай бұрын

Plus the command squad gets 1 regi order!!

@MTGaming1034

6 ай бұрын

platoon command squad doesn't attach.

@josephrigley8974

6 ай бұрын

@@MTGaming1034 they definitely do. Platoon command squads can go with Kriegers, Catachans or your standard infantry squad.

@MTGaming1034

6 ай бұрын

@@josephrigley8974 wait really. Is new recruit outdated then?

@josephrigley8974

6 ай бұрын

@@MTGaming1034 I don't know what your referring to, I mostly use the GW app to look up the rules.

Short answer is yes Long answer is yesss Longest answer is absolutely… he does everything a guard army needs CP farm ✅ redeploy for perfect positioning of key units (armor) in an army that will almost always out drop you opponent ✅ order 3 of literally anything at 24 for ultimate command flexibility ✅ hell he’s even a somewhat durable unit as well with a melee capability just shy of a custodes shield captain 😂 if you are playing competitively and not taking him (even just solo to order 3 artillery pieces) you are actively hamstring your list Also tank commanders aren’t really a replacement as they cannot order themselves… although solar and 3 TC is a spicy meatball of a list in and of itself And last but not least he is the perfect opportunity to create your own supreme commander, just make sure he has one point at approximately the same height as solars sword tip and you are golden

On the whole I agree with Mordian here. I run hybrid guard so Lord Solar is great for keeping my tanks ordered (and he's hidden with the master vox so he doesn't get killed like a Tank Commander might). Solar's Redeploy is mostly a way to catch your opponent out and rearrange your flanks (e.g. you have only 1 dorn) if your opponent responded to deployment in a way you see a weakness in. Cool strats with Lord Solar: (I use all of these in my army, hah) - Farming CP with Ursula Creed for effectively 5 CP per round (very nice when I'm using both Reinforcements and Armored Might) - Never run out of order targets - If you lose too many tanks, he can still order your regimental enginseer that never went down and is about to try and stick the enemy with a charge. Or some other auxilia unit that needs a buff to hold position, escape, etc. He can still order infantry if some other officers have gone down! - Gaunt's Ghosts (or any other infiltrators). Surprise, the redeploy comes back! String the ghosts out to block enemy infiltrators (I like to deploy first explicitly to do this) then pull them back. I think every opponent at Everwinter thought I was going to hang Gaunt out to dry when I did that, I felt a little clever.

@HenryEaton

6 ай бұрын

CP farming wise, you can only earn a maximum of 3cp per battle round. 1 per command phase, and one from lord solar. You can only gain one bonus CP, regardless of source. Additionally, creed can only reduce battle tactics to strategems to 0cp, so fields of fire only.

Extra CP isn't wasted in infantry lists. Rapid ingress for Scions and even just grenade are both solid uses. Honestly I think grenade is criminally underused in infantry lists. In armored lists it gives you the CP to utilize the damage reduction strat alongside smoke sometimes. With your tank commander example though, it's worth remembering that they can't order themselves or each other, so having Leontus means you could still be getting orders on that extra 2 or 3 tanks.

I take him in every 2000points list. Withe the extra CP he basically has paid for himself by turn two asnive usually brought at least 1/2 130 point units back. And he chucks out the 3 order. To me its a no brainer for how i like to play my guard!

A combination I've seen is using The Lord Solar, Kurov's Aquila and the Callidus assassin to have superiority in Strategems. With these 3 units, you get 2 CP on your turn and can shut down the enemy's 2 most valuable strategems.

In my current Inf Guard stack, I have Solar to give orders to my arty 2 Manty's and a Bassy is good 2 Bassy's and a Manty hitting on 3's instead of 4's - or god forbid *2's* is spicy

@DaLonelySheperd

6 ай бұрын

you should take at least 1 Squad of 3 Scout sentinels. with autocannons and steady cp, I almost want them to die every other turn

@InfiniteLegoWorks

6 ай бұрын

@@DaLonelySheperd Current iteration of the list is lacking them, and instead I'm running a bunch of vox and using the strategem. All that requires is 1 CP and LoS - though I do lose the RR 1's

Also creed plus leon seems like you'd be reinforcing and throwing out fields of fire and command rerolls all the time lol

Since he’s the only thing besides tank commanders that can realistically order tanks and tank commanders are terrible, yeah, he’s an auto include in my list.

@vonarrh

6 ай бұрын

i think tank commanders are good - especially compared to a demolisher. it gives you an additional round of shooting, while the demolisher usually dies instantly when engaged in close combat. other russes might have better abilities, but the demolisher cannon is just awesome.

@georgelonghurst2672

6 ай бұрын

@@vonarrh dont think a tank commander can shoot if its in combat as it doesnt have the ability like the demolisher

@EmperorSigismund

6 ай бұрын

@@georgelonghurst2672 It can. Its simply cannot shoot at the unit it is in combat with using [BLAST] weapons and it gets -1 to hit with all of its attacks.

Yes...yes he is.

Honestly like the redepoly they most on him

Even in my 1k smaller game, he 1v1'd the parasite of mortrex, entire squad of von ryan's leapers, and held the back field obj after losing the command squad he was with.

Just got a Solar and I've been thinking about that Redeploy at start function and thinking the same thing. Playing 1500 games now on 44x60 and even there I don't have a lot of room. In fact last game I was thinking "I really feel like these boards can be bigger". But thats a guard thing I guess, we have a zillion models.

@x43902467

6 ай бұрын

I want my 48x72 boards back. I love guard but I started with CSM and Orks. Bigger boards just make for more going on. As it is now, everything feels like a mosh pit by turn 2.

@baalthazaarr5976

6 ай бұрын

Nothing stopping you from playing on bigger boards. I do and it's great. Remember that the 44x60 table size is GW trying to be clever, as it is the standard IKEA table dimensions, and "everyone" has an IKEA table. Its not the gameplay design concept everyone thinks it is.

So what is the order to unit ratio I should be trying to get?

leman russ battle tanks reroll on objectives, tank commanders don't..

@Dram1984

6 ай бұрын

This is a huge point he missed. A tank commander isn’t a “free upgrade”, it’s trading the tank ability for an order and being charged a premium on top of that.

@louislecigne7149

6 ай бұрын

@@Dram1984 that's why i only consider doing so with demolishers, not only is the point difference minimal but the demolisher's ability don't make that much of a difference in most cases

@louislecigne7149

6 ай бұрын

i'd rather have them shoot on death anyway xD that's what i meant ^^

Any tips on a 1000 point list? Really struggling to cover all bases with mine! Lord Solar feels too expensive for it :(

@nl5297

6 ай бұрын

Yes, play 2k points

@baalthazaarr5976

6 ай бұрын

​@@nl5297not everyone has time to play 2k games.

I agree concerning the infantry Guard...but I'm not so sure about the Tank Commanders. You lose the ability of the Russ and you cannot order the Tank Commanders. So you have 3 Russes hitting on 4s...maybe that alone is worth the Lord Solars cost. That's a reason why I whish for that the Tank Commander should be an enhancement, not a datasheet btw...

He's fine if you want to go 4-1 in a 2 day, and you can tolerate the model. He's a single point of failure that some lists can exploit for an easy win.

But Mordian I wanna order around my baneblade!😢

If you are using 3 Tank Commanders, you will have 3 tanks that will never have orders without Solar. Tank Commanders don't have the squadron keyword, so only Solar can order them. So basically 4 squadron orders from 3 Tank Commanders are only worth if you have 4 more other vehicles.

@operator9858

6 ай бұрын

Ya i dont think many really get that...

I tried avoiding him like the plague but vehicle orders are just so difficult to get otherwise and i dont like the tc's as they lose the ability and only one or two orders at best when they also cant order themselves sucks. Infantry armies dont need him as much tho...

I think the down side is that those tank commanders can't recieve orders from tank commanders.

Ok, cool, but tank commander doesn't get the special ability of each variant. It only gets death befitting an officer, which only goes off when it dies. So you get up to 4 orders, but you lose Line Breaker, Urban Warfare, and everything that makes each variant worth taking

Are there any good proxies? I simply don't like the model so at this point if I start guard there's no way I'm buying him.

Is he an auto-include in my harem? Asking for a friend.

The lack of a leader ability for the unit he is in is one of my problems with him to be honest. He is still a fantastic unit since the ability to order any unit is really strong and extra CP is always nice. It's just the guy is supposed to be the imperial guard general it would be nice if he could lead his unit better. That said he already has a lot of abilities and I would not like to pay any more points than he currently is.

@Mejthyas

6 ай бұрын

Generals don´t lead troops - Sergeants , Captains and Lieutenants do . Generals lead armies - thus he commands units on battlefield , not his personal squad. This is a traditional army composition , not some Space marine shit lol :-D

@markstewardson4006

6 ай бұрын

@@Mejthyas it's 40k applying real life it is a bit iffy. I mean the guy is the greatest general in the guard who spends his time riding around the battlefield on a horse hitting anything that gets too close with a sword and can shout hard enough at a tank to fix bayonets for it to work. I imagine traditional army doctrine is pretty much out the window My issue as I mentioned is that he brings nothing to the squad he is in bar the raw stat line of his. Now you are right that our generals don't personally lead troops but there is no way one of the most important people in the galaxy doesn't have a honor guard consisting of the absolute cream the Guard has to offer, and I just feel that it would be nice if the unit he leads had a little buff to reflect that. That is all I mean.

@Mejthyas

6 ай бұрын

@@markstewardson4006 yeah well. I Gotta agree he should have some special honour guard for sure. Cant deny that 🙂👌

Me using lord solar to put orders on my 3 Mortar Squads and thats about 70% of my chafe clearing

I don't own Lord Solar, haven't really thought he was necessary. He is awesome though.

I don't field the Lord Solar in my army as I dislike the model and see him as a bit to expensive for what he brings. I would rather field Gaunt's Ghosts and Straken as together they bring 4 orders total as well as to units with the fights first rule not to mention other buffs.

Can you give Lord Solar ‘grand strategist’?

@DeathKorpsOfWrath

6 ай бұрын

You cannot.

If I'm running lower points I'll cut him in favor of a tank commander since tanks still make up the majority of my damage.

I'm losing faith in the Guard, lads. After my 4th straight loss -- not close ones, either -- I'm really struggling. We have a worthless detachment rule, and an army rule that is incredibly vulnerable and a huge tax on our lists. Yeah we have some nice datasheets but it's just not enough.

@CatharsisChaser

6 ай бұрын

Don’t lose hope commander! Learn from your mistakes and fight to the last for the Emperor! And when in doubt bring more big ol guns 😋 on a serious note guard is one of the highest skill armies in the game right now for all of the reasons you listed, we really have to squeeze ever ounce of efficiency out to even go 4-1 with basically the most optimal list possible… I feel that once we get a codex it’s all ogre for the enemies of humanity since we’ll actually have viable rules outside of shoot gun at enemy marginally better

Can Tank Commanders order themselves yet? Do they still have natural 4+ BS? No? Lord Solar stays.

The reason I don’t use him is because he looks goofy

What is the music at 15:00 ?

@ww2destroyer

6 ай бұрын

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@IDFArmor

6 ай бұрын

If you dont know, you need to listen to the entire darktide OST immediately!!! Its amazing

@hadnagyzsombor8951

6 ай бұрын

@@ww2destroyer thnak you kind stranger

@hadnagyzsombor8951

6 ай бұрын

@@IDFArmor oh I will

tank commanders need 3plus and 2 orders tbh, for me lord solar is an auto

For the first time EVER i actually disagree with MG. I agree that the big guy isn’t an auto include, if he has No purpose in your army, dont take him.🤷🏼‍♂️ but switching him out for 2 tank commanders (one with Grand Stratagist) only so i can add 1 extra battle tank, is in my book a great Way to actual cripple yourself… Cause insted of having 2 tanks you can order around, you now have 2 that cant get orders at all, and all your are replacing it with, is 1 who can 🤷🏼‍♂️ if the tank commanders could order each other, or they had mirror Order abbility (they order someone, and gets the same effect) then i would agree. But as it is now (unless i have missed some errata) this would in my book, never be an upgrade… but this is just… like… my opinion maaan😅

Honestly i avoided him and never tried him out. Don't like to have named characters in my lists

Minor problem with just casually upgrading every Russ in your list to Tank Commanders... Who are you giving orders to then? TC's aren't Squadron...

I must disagree with the tank commander route. The tank commanders cannot benefit from their own orders, as they lack the squadron keyword.

lord solar shines too much for a guard, I don't like him.

Ok he’s an auto include… except he is depriving you of points that could be spent on models that should be on the front line fighting to their last breath. Also I refuse to do my opponent the honour of the lord solar + every hero of the imperium turning up to the backwater ruins we are contesting

@CatharsisChaser

6 ай бұрын

That’s why you make your own supreme commander! Proxying guard special characters with your own headcanon heroes is as old as the guard itself since they always put the most tactically rich rules behind proper nouns 😂

O7

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I don't want lord Solar. My obsession with lore makes me wonder why the hell would he be here with my death Korps company. I can't change, 25+ years of running warhammer fantasy roleplay has made me a complete lore pest. We don't need him, fix bayonets, In life, war. In death, peace. In life, shame. In death, atonement..

@josephrigley8974

6 ай бұрын

Tbh I think you swap the head and just use the rules, the Lord solar might not show up to whatever hell hole the Krieg are fighting over but a high ranking Krieger on a cyber horse isn't so unreasonable. That's what I will be doing when I get mine.

I’ve said the whole time he’s a trap unit, doubly so no that tank commander is cheaper