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@user-cc7wd1kh1c

2 ай бұрын

At 2:36 when you catch the ball with your both hands, is your right foot on the floor counts as 0 or 1?

James Harden doesn't travel with that move, he has a journey lol

@carollecarolle2576

5 жыл бұрын

Then go on vacation bro

@bartvelasquez1737

5 жыл бұрын

James harden move Cha Cha lambada boogie

@DirkWeag

5 жыл бұрын

James Harden is a whole travel agency :-)

@redsoil5

5 жыл бұрын

James Harden has a legitimate Passport!

@suacyb678

5 жыл бұрын

When he does he books a plane and flies to the shadow realm.

Wise man once said: A journey begins with a single step. James Harden retorted: No man, a Journey begins with a thousand zero steps.

@StradaleF430

4 жыл бұрын

A LUCA DOES IT, AND KYRIE AND CURRY AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO COPIES HARDEN.

@thejenkinsfamily7179

4 жыл бұрын

drew sutherland I love this comment💯😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@timangar9771

4 жыл бұрын

@@StradaleF430 chill

@horrid9809

4 жыл бұрын

my question is if i throw it infront of me, i have the ball spinning in my hand, then i stutter step 4 times, then i grab it to my other hand, then take my 2 steps, is those stutter steps legal, because techniqally its still a live dribble, because its spinning, but thats confusing me

@supremeamine2382

4 жыл бұрын

Eckon Lets keep it simple: when your hand goes under the ball, you can have two steps at that point. At no point can you "self pass" the ball, like throw it forward and then go get it. You can stutter step, crossover, moonwalk or whatever you want lol as long as you don't put your hand under the ball (which I see so many players do in league play and streetball and then they argue if you call it)

Even if I did this against my friends they would say it’s a travel

@akilishepherd3904

3 жыл бұрын

So

@tommy19990902

3 жыл бұрын

Akili Shepherd I just hate ppl like you

@akilishepherd3904

3 жыл бұрын

Tommy Pu I gotta be doin sum rite then 🥱

@yekyt4108

3 жыл бұрын

Akili Shepherd stfu honestly

@akilishepherd3904

3 жыл бұрын

BitTrooper nah rather not you gone have to make me & I doubt you can so, or you’ll die lol🤷🏽‍♂️

The fact that this much explanation is needed makes it even more ridiculous

@cannurdogdu3871

5 жыл бұрын

Best comment , thats why i know basketball is rigged all the way.

@AresFusion

5 жыл бұрын

@@cannurdogdu3871 No correlation

@pouchcp3

5 жыл бұрын

AresFusion definitely no correlation lol

@el34glo59

4 жыл бұрын

@@AresFusion oh sure

@gahelcenteno8257

4 жыл бұрын

Takes a lot of explanation for dumbasses like you

If he's on my team and does that, it's not a travel.. But! If he does that and ain't on my team then it's a travel. 😂

@cateriomurry4292

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@cliffdavis9618

5 жыл бұрын

Facts 🤣🤣🤣

@jerrydulin6029

5 жыл бұрын

Hell that's anything in life.

@leifmijares8739

5 жыл бұрын

Lee P YUP😂 its only funny when its someone else😂😂😂

@mr198221

5 жыл бұрын

Fummy!

Harden doesn’t take advantage of the 0 step. He uses the -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 step back

@Rationalist101

5 жыл бұрын

Wtf are those negative numbers?

@ravijaiswal3739

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@CeejayTXDS

5 жыл бұрын

I'm dat Guy my thoughts exactly lmao my mans must be moonwalking or something lol

@jabbieperalta2469

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@jabbieperalta2469

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rationalist101 you made my day😂😂😂

"If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor."

@domination4892

2 жыл бұрын

Thats when you are in the triple threat

@Bryanseas

2 жыл бұрын

He aint pivoting tho hes moving sideways its sinilar to walking lol theres no pivot when walking

@jonathansoko5368

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bryanseas You got the award for low iq post of the week

@Ronder-uf5vr

5 ай бұрын

gotta establish a pivot before that's applicable

Great explanation! Basically, Harden exploits the rule that makes most of the 2-step layup legal. Without 0 step rule, all those fast-break dunks probably will be travel

@2beJT

7 ай бұрын

They should only allow it when you end your shot landing within the paint.

Whos here after curry did Harden stepback ???

@Thistlebee

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, liked watching Kerr go crazy

@ChynaVirus

5 жыл бұрын

27 after thousands watched. So basically, NO ONE.

@chickenturds9184

5 жыл бұрын

Lol he exposed the refs

@jrushmoto5378

5 жыл бұрын

@@chickenturds9184 yeah they exposed the refs when durant is out of bounds

@xxexclusivexx92

5 жыл бұрын

Curry didnt do the signature right...his pivot foot was moving all over the place

No matter how many extra steps the NBA allows, players travel all the time and in front of refs. The refs have gotten worse over time too.

@jflack6

5 жыл бұрын

worldz trio between, rule benders (clever and aware like Harden), terrible refs and lack of fundamentals.

@mariahlin5556

5 жыл бұрын

Referees haven't gotten worse, it's just the scrutiny that the NBA gets increases over the years. Instant replay is getting better and more people are analyzing/studying the game.

@StableSocket

5 жыл бұрын

Mariah Lin KD literally went out of bounds against the rockets and wasn’t called for it. “But the refs aren’t becoming worse”.

@jesushernandez-gw2qj

5 жыл бұрын

worldz agree, and harden does travel sometimes but the move he is showing is totally legal

@denchikanchik

5 жыл бұрын

Cz nba is more show than sport

If it looks like harden, walks like harden, travels like harden, its probably harden travelling

@Alex-pb3xk

2 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

Most NBA players travel nowadays. They pick up their pivot foot all the time, establish a new puvot foot, and then travel again.

@patrickimperial579

4 жыл бұрын

@bokeh18 I wouldn't go far as to call it fake. The referees most of the time are the problems.

@danortega748

3 жыл бұрын

It still begin with palming and lifting the ball, so many times just bringing the ball up court.

@joegevorkyan7308

2 жыл бұрын

100% spot on. It’s not the refs all the time, they catch heat for calling it from the higher ups.

It feels like his entire offense is centered around exploiting rules. His step back, his foul draws. Like I get it, use what you can to your advantage but I never liked people who did that type of thing. It bothers me even more because he’s so good to begin with without resorting to those things

@GetHandles

5 жыл бұрын

Millicente I've never been a big fan of that style of play either. Paul Peirce used to do the same thing a lot with drawing fouls. In some ways I respect it and understand why they do it, but it's never been a way I wanted to play, especially with constantly trying to draw fouls. To each their own though!

@ksway628

5 жыл бұрын

They’re good enough to do it and smart enough to know how to do it you expect them to just not do it? For what? Lmaooo

@rambothefuckingmachine4541

5 жыл бұрын

Harden = a successful loser

@Millicente

5 жыл бұрын

+Kryptonian Crip Exactly, so you'd be one of the type of people to do it. I just wouldn't. Call it old fashioned or call it stupid or call it whatever you want to but I don't believe in nor particularly like the idea of doing things like that.

@carlstahl3000

5 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. There are people in my league like this, drives me nuts. They are so good yet they try to exploit everything to win. They beg for calls, cry on every call...it's just dirty.

Meanwhile in the future ... James Harden did a double stepback and still gotaway with it

@jeffzalonka

5 жыл бұрын

Sylvester And got a foul called in his favor lol

@ecmyk7863

5 жыл бұрын

Give him another year and he'll do the triple stepback

@sylicone6952

5 жыл бұрын

@@ecmyk7863 lmao

@sylicone6952

5 жыл бұрын

Breaking news, The NBA has made new rules in the game. One of this rules is: James Harden's step back no matter how many times he does it, it's still legal. No other players can do this legally but James Harden. Reason for this is because he's James Harden. I think I'm on drugs, send help pls.

@christianquinones9347

5 жыл бұрын

Yesterday he did a triple step back lol and the analysts called it a travel but the reffs missed it

He protecc He attacc But most importantly He hit da step bacc

@mr.speyside5240

5 жыл бұрын

Natasha Sensha underrated comment

@sugarnads

4 жыл бұрын

Abdelmelik Farooq Alwahid boring derivative adding nothing to the discussion. Its not 2015

@malikplayz8608

4 жыл бұрын

Nahhh he don’t protect the rim

@ernestojr.estuista4671

4 жыл бұрын

madafacc

@user-vg3ek7pg1e

4 жыл бұрын

You do know harden can't play defense right?

4:34 tnk me later

@tsapp2831

4 жыл бұрын

Saved me 3 mins.

@immediamalcoccinello483

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsapp2831 Same

@onlyfacts3178

3 жыл бұрын

thats travel...

@lordbraithwaite4919

Жыл бұрын

@@immediamalcoccinello483 ur right, he had his foot down after he controlled the ball

'Traveling'? Harden goes on long hikes.

@danaguila3137

5 жыл бұрын

no he goes on VACATION!

@QanaRawchaa-

5 жыл бұрын

You the GOAT this is the best one 😂😂😂😂

@jojo2101

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully nobody gets whooshed

It's not a travel in the NBA because the NBA uses the 0 step. High school & NCAA don't incorporate the 0 step in the definition of a travel. You should clarify that this is not currently a legal move in any league other than the NBA.

@metalsadman

5 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly lol, other league players don't be copying that haha. they say nba is the top bball org, maybe it is but with shitty rules and refs lmao.

@Lbyt21

5 жыл бұрын

That’s not true. The rule is the same in all levels, from middle school to the NBA. There is a gather step in almost every lay up. There are some differences in other rules, such as in FIBA vs the American rules regarding the pickup of the pivot foot, but gathering the ball was allowed in every level I’ve played.

@Thistlebee

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lbyt21 I get the father step in a layup but not in a step back, I mean I k know it's a rule but dont get it

@Lbyt21

5 жыл бұрын

@@Thistlebee what don't you get about it? you can gather and go in any direction. For a step back, you are just going backwards instead of forward for a layup. Just watch a bunch of tutorials on how to perform the stepback online and it will sink in. I've spent countless hours in the gym practicing these specific moves so that they become natural to me, but it will feel weird to you the first time you are learning, sort of like learning a new style of dance. It's just advanced footwork and timing your dribbles. Most regular people who never play but watch it on TV can't understand it, but if actually want to get good at it, then practice it over and over.

@jimhalberg7037

5 жыл бұрын

In high school you are allowed a gather step, but you don't get 2 additional steps after gathering. Taking 2 steps after picking up your dribble is a travel.

"There are time that he does travel with it" 😂

@intotheabyssoftheunknown4479

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, most of that time. 😉

@brandenlow5347

4 жыл бұрын

I agree anyways it depends if he will be able to shoot it in

@yougod7253

2 жыл бұрын

Yeahy all the time

This is great demo I am a dad of a six grader and share this with him as he plays basketball on his school team. I appreciate the effort you make in putting this video together. Thanks for all you do.

@GetHandles

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful. Keep in mind this not something I recommend players his age do since most refs aren't aware of the gather step and live dribble rules, or leagues simply don't have those rules.

@Djmjmichael

4 жыл бұрын

So u teaching ur son 0 steps is he going to learn some of the hardest cross overs next I'm sorry sir but they are there to play a game not demolish a kids ankles and finish on him

Dumb AF. "If the hand isn't under the ball or you don't have two hands on it then the steps aren't counted" ... ok someone tell Giannis to just palm the ball then run around with it.

@whobitmyname

5 жыл бұрын

@Malik Will Well said, but if he was dumb enough to make that comment in the first place, he's probably not sharp enough to grasp what you just said.

@voetbal12

5 жыл бұрын

@Malik Will I understand exactly what you said, and exactly what the rule states. I've played for years, the issue with the game is that the rulebook definitions are stupid AF, case in point.

@Lbyt21

5 жыл бұрын

voetbal12 if you played for years it makes sense. The hand placement itself is just part of it. I can tell you haven’t put in the time in they gym to drill the footwork necessary to pull these moves off. I can’t even count all the hours I put in drilling the eurostep and stepbacks the first month I tried to learn it. People who call travel r casual fans who don’t put in the work to learn the moves.

@RandomPerson-uq8oe

5 жыл бұрын

you cant grip the ball either

@timmychan420

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao hand placement and palming the ball is two entirely different things

Can't wait to argue on the court when I get called for traveling..... "no guys, I took a zero step!" they'll be like WTF

I appreciate your information! I am trying to learn so that I understand my son's games. Never really payed much attention to basketball before and watching his games see so much "traveling. " This video has really helped me understand the zero step and "gather." If I may... I wish you followed through a little more. 9ver and over you demonstrated the gather and then just stopped. It was confusing for a beginner because I didn't understand what happened just before and just after.

Well explained and demonstrated. Some very good tips in this video.

It's only legal if Harden does it.

@me_hanics

5 жыл бұрын

mardiov True. Curry just got booked for it

@rahilarora3792

5 жыл бұрын

🤦🏼‍♂️

@TyBrezzy11

5 жыл бұрын

mardiov Lebron just did it

@snooppp8873

5 жыл бұрын

Kyrie did it

@dontdoittoyoself6786

5 жыл бұрын

There are no walks in the NBA. It ain't about Harden.

The truth is sometimes he travels sometimes he doesn't....

@THIS---GUY

5 жыл бұрын

Even when he doesn't travel it's borderline every NBS player can palm the ball so it should still be travelling

@RJNumber45

5 жыл бұрын

exactly...but his amazing footwork and quick hands put the refs in a tough spot, so he gets the benefit of the doubt

@metalsadman

5 жыл бұрын

@Bored Murse and gets a foul extending his arms or his legs xD 3 and 1 dayum.

@haydenlehman8022

5 жыл бұрын

I am a rockets fan and a big harden fan and I can say that’s true but most of the time he doesn’t.

Any more steps and you officially have you're own dance called the harden

@robotube7361

2 жыл бұрын

The Harden shake

Pretty clear. Sometimes the "both-hands-gathering-the-ball" moment and the "zero step" both happen so fast you can't really tell which one takes place first..

Harden travels so much he got frequent flyer miles

Your videos always exploit players signature moves so accurately, I’m loving your content.

Thanks for going over it. The way I was taught is the pick up the ball stuff and stepping is when you are heading towards the basket for a layup. It all still loooks like travelling to me watching Harden. But I'm old, hahaha.

i never saw players in the 80s and 90s doing these moves. the refs would have called a travel almost every time.

@gaj7062

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 99 percent sure it was implemented in the last ten years

@apparaoapparao

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaj7062 Yes, 2009. All this zero step gathering was incorporated into the NBA rule book 2009. However, some refs allowed some players to travel and carry prior to 2009.

It's not a travel, USUALLY.. But there are times he has travelled, and the refs missed it

@GetHandles

5 жыл бұрын

*obi infinite kenobi* yep, more often than not it's legal, but he's gotten away with a few

@srkizen5691

5 жыл бұрын

@@GetHandles Coach, let me ask you this. If that first step is 0 step or gather step, that means he's allowed to take two more steps. Ok so what if he made those two steps, after the hop, towards the basket instead of away from basket? You can't convince me that travel depends on the direction of the movement, so I'd be very interested to see re-make of this same thing but with forward movement after the gather step. I honestly think anyone trying to prove that was legal would be insane,but please prove me wrong.

@mrgabagoo8905

5 жыл бұрын

It's a travel 90% of the time

@QWERTY1233211

5 жыл бұрын

If by 'missed it'. you mean saw it but decided not to call it because they're told to increase scoring. Then yea I guess they 'missed it'.

@phomjachana

5 жыл бұрын

srki zen I don't think they call the travel going forward either. watch some of these layups on fast breaks at times. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGhpxrmraZadmrQ.html first dunk here. it looks like the worst travel of all time. it actually isn't. slow it down. 0,1,2. its the same idea, timing of when the hand goes under the ball. you probably aren't going to see this type of move going forward just bc you simply have a defender that you aren't creating space from, which is the purpose of james hardens move. but on layups, you see it all the time, just like harden, sometimes they miss it.

But, this zero step was implemented in the NBA in 2009, so I can see why people can see it as a travel. It's not a travel.in the NBA because they altered the rules. But, in basketball it is a travel.

@JeffThePoustman

5 жыл бұрын

Mark, could you cite the rule change and provide a link so we can look it up? The 2013-14 rules (www.nba.com/media/dleague/1314-nba-rule-book.pdf) make no mention of this. Nor do current Misunderstood rules, including on Travel, which addresses these issues: www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html

@nikolagjorgiev862

5 жыл бұрын

Its travel

@nikolagjorgiev862

5 жыл бұрын

Bad nba rule

@phomjachana

5 жыл бұрын

the gather step has been around much longer than 2009 tho. its just really easy to talk about it as a zero step which has been more recent and I guess from what you are saying 2009. watch 90's clips Jordan, ewing, and others. they all use the same step patterns used today. there are just some new moves like euro step that show the evolution of the game. nba is basketball, there are just different rules. ncaa has this rule technically too. they just allow one step after the zero/gather step. or they did allow one step. at times it seems two steps are taken, like on layups and such. I don't watch much college tho so I maybe wrong on these rules.

@TheBoyIllinois

5 жыл бұрын

@@JeffThePoustman just Google it

The James Harden step back... is it really a travel? * Coach galloping backwards 😂😂😂😂

BUT, when this dude is showing in slo-mo Harden's step back, his hand is already UNDER the basketball, that's a travel according to him and NBA rules

The first time I hear that ZERO looks like 1.....but according to this video, 1 means ZERO. I need a math book....and some hot chips

I started playing basketball in 1995, I call it travel. BUT US basketball evolves, I don't ref any pick up games, so I can do as much back steps as I want, and get away with it because they are amazed of my step back travelling technique. I always die laughing inside on how ridiculous the rules are nowadays.

The NBA refs are much different from high school and rec league officials. Those amateurs call stuff based on the two step rule. A pro ref wouldn't call most pros for travelling. These guys practice 8-10 hours a day everyday on moves, shots and dribbling to perfection.

The way you explaine it and demonstrate it, makes sence. But when I see JH do it, the positioning of his hand is (most of the time) off. But its really hard to call cuz its hard to notice the hand positioning when dribbling and a lot going on during the game

As long as you're talking about J-Will moves that look sketch, I'd like to see a breakdown of that dribble/hop step/pass fake/continue dribbling move from his rookie year. I know it was probably all about the next dribble hitting the floor before landing from the hop, but still not sure how that keeps him safe from a travel.

It seems to me like it’s picking up a pivot foot a couple times. As soon as both of your hands touch the ball one foot is still on the ground and then you step two more times.

Thank you for finally explaining

Harden rule: 3 steps equal 2.

It looks like travel....because it is a travel.

@websterthomas2012

5 жыл бұрын

Its not a travel.... Gonread the rules

@SealofPerfection

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, they have changed the rules over the years to allow this. By the original rules that many of us grew up with, it's traveling. There was no such thing as a "zero step" and "if your hand is under/over the ball" type of crap. You stopped dribbling, you go 2 more steps. Period.

@littl3m0nkey

5 жыл бұрын

@@SealofPerfection Kobe Bryant used a sidestep that has always looked like 3 steps but he too mixed in a step w/ an active dribble. You say "back in the day", but the rule has always been you could always move (ie: take as many steps) while dribbling. That has never changed. If youre dribbling fast, youre taking 1-2 steps; if youre doing a slow bouncing dribble while still moving fast, it might be 2-4 steps (especially when mixed with a hesitation). People also like to say "oh, Harden is exploiting the rules" to draw fouls but this current generation of players is one that also uses their hands to reach/steal/attack the ball more than past ones . So you cant just blame rules or lack of rules when innovation and craftiness is also in play here

@poohdini3

5 жыл бұрын

Agree. Ppl who knows basketball is different from people who plays bastepball

@JayFlacko

5 жыл бұрын

@@SealofPerfection we not gonna sit here and act like the games u played back in the day with a couple friends at the park were going 100 percent by the nba rulebook. please lets not go there

Everyone travels in the NBA. Maybe not a travel in the NBA but in FIBA/Olympic rules, those are easy travel.

@ytbballref5557

5 жыл бұрын

NBA and FIBA have same rules regarding the gather step so neither is a travel actually.

@youngcitybandit

5 жыл бұрын

Lol what? How are olympic rules relevant

@charlescooks9360

5 жыл бұрын

@@youngcitybandit you do this move during an Olympic game and you will get called for traveling

@youngcitybandit

5 жыл бұрын

@@charlescooks9360 is the olympics the NBA? They are different organizations

It's a travel now ruled a non-infraction in an era of NBA basketball more concerned with entertainment and catering to divas than maintaining the integrity of the game. Truth hurts, get over it.

@MrSPIDEY21

5 жыл бұрын

It’s not a travel...

@meridian_james5

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Traveled and pushed off his whole life. Do some research

@beesimone3073

5 жыл бұрын

Brock Barber what hurts is my fucking brain just reading your useless comment. As if anybody cares what you have to say. Smh internet troll.

@iman5147

5 жыл бұрын

@@beesimone3073 And yet you reply on it.

@joshuamiles6822

4 жыл бұрын

Brock Barber even when the rule wasn’t enacted it wasn’t called a travel. Players travel going to the basket all the time but all of NBA history they never called it. So stop saying this “era” this is always how it was.

Thanks for the breakdown.

It is a travel and it is ridiculous.

@georockmann7113

5 жыл бұрын

It's not. He even explained why

@allwork1980

5 жыл бұрын

It's traveling

@JamesBond-uz2dm

5 жыл бұрын

The NBA has legalized traveling.

@vengkong8344

5 жыл бұрын

+Geo Rockmann Just because the NBA says it's a "gather" doesn't mean he's not travelling. You and the rest of these 2000's kids are fools.

@Cause023

5 жыл бұрын

Gnev Gnok So you're going to go against the NBA rules? The gather step rule is literally in the rulebook. You're going to go against facts?

Coach what moves should i work every day to make my handles good??

@GetHandles

5 жыл бұрын

Cyber Skull I've got a few videos on "must master moves", check those out 👍🏻

@cyberskull9042

5 жыл бұрын

thanks a lot coach for reply :) wish u make 1m subs cause starting watching ur videos improved my game!!!

Dope Video! Sending blessing your way, Keep inspiring!🎒🙌🏻

You explained this very well

When your first foot lands it establishes your pivot, placing your other foot down doesn't count as a step if u stop your motion then and there. This means that technically for some of these you're only taking one step then stopping.

Wait a minute... doesn't that mean that someone like Michael Jordan, who could just palm the ball of a dribble without letting his hand drop under it, just take 20 steps?

@COOLSAUCE21

5 жыл бұрын

No... Palming the ball counts as a carry (same as putting your hand under the ball)

@GetHandles

5 жыл бұрын

No that would be a carry. Check my recent video on what's a carry according to the rules 👍🏻

@NickSinghSG

5 жыл бұрын

I see! Thanks for the info guys.

@LvEuropa

5 жыл бұрын

Cant palm it

@PlanetJigobotTV

5 жыл бұрын

I think they still need to be in a dribbling position

Looks like most of the commenters are official, veteran NBA refs.

@tyrelkushonda2908

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@muhammadsteinberg

4 жыл бұрын

Dumb ass comment!...You don't need to be a ref to know what traveling looks like. Some people have played the game before.

@kimchi2780

4 жыл бұрын

Id rather they werent since officials call terrible games.

@divine6732

4 жыл бұрын

@@muhammadsteinberg But the move is not a travel,did you watch the video,casual?

@flandrescarlet1111

3 жыл бұрын

@@muhammadsteinberg this is why you are not in the NBA bum

Harden should have a new nickname. "Bearded Exploiter"

4:27 so James Harden has a "layup in reverse" for his step-back 3-pointer ... nice!

Im not buying it, There is a reason that carrying and travelling are (used to be ) rules. The game is broken if you let players stop and start dribbling and walk.. Side of the ball is a carry, Stopping momentum of the dribble and restarting is a carry... This is just exploiting a loophole created in the early 2000's when the NBA loosened the rules to allow AI and JWill etc to carry a little bit to get those ohh ahh streetball crossovers in NBA highlight reels.. Now that carry is being used as a "zero step" to give players an extra step... I never heard the term "zero step" until people tried defending JH step back... Your "gather step" is what establishes your pivot foot....

@bobbydigital3061

5 жыл бұрын

Isc23I couldn’t have said it better. 90’s hoops and the Neanderthal style of defense and little offense forced the league to cater towards offense. At the end of the day, it’s an entertainment league, and it’s why basketball purists like myself hate watching it. I coach kids and I have to drill it in their heads that they can’t play like their idols because in every league but the nba, cheating is not allowed.

@basedgarrett

5 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about. This has been in the NBA forever. Ronnie Nunn was a NBA referee over 30 years ago, and he claimed the gather rule was the same then as it is now when discussing Hardens stepback on a BBALLBREAKDOWN video. Your favorite legends used the gather step. God this is driving me crazy. I wonder who was teaching all you idiots how to play basketball that you never heard of a GATHER STEP.

@bharathwajkrishnamoothi

5 жыл бұрын

@@basedgarrett apparently Gather step is counted as the first step in FIBA rules. If the entire world is following FIBA rules and a specific group of morons dont follow it, whose mistake is it?

@genustinca5565

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Crucial here is 'pivot foot'. When you do a lay-up, you take the two steps, but it's not as if you can put the foot that's behind you next to the other after the second step. That would be a travel. This is however what JH does in reverse. He has established his pivot foot, yet is allowed to then move that foot for an extra backward step. It's too late now though, he hasn't been called for it for so long, refs will never change it now.

@andrewphillips5194

5 жыл бұрын

@@basedgarrett "This has been in the NBA forever. Ronnie Nunn was a NBA referee over 30 years ago, and he claimed the gather rule was the same then as it is now when discussing Hardens stepback on a BBALLBREAKDOWN video." Nunn is inarticulate, when he's not wrong, which is often. Yeah, I've seen him say such-and-such was allowed 30 years ago... in Rucker Park. What that has to do with a league that is supposed to have actual rules I cannot imagine, but I've seen him say it. There is no "gather rule", btw. If you think there is try to find it in the NBA rulebook. You will fail. It ain't there. And any claim that the NBA rules are the same as 30 years ago is just ignorant. I forget exactly when the 2-count was introduced to the NBA rulebook, but it was within the last decade. You could look it up.

this is the goofiest training video lol

@carlossantana2864

5 жыл бұрын

bc it aint a training video

@fonzoo_4920

4 жыл бұрын

Not a training vid dumbass

I never knew about the NBA hand placement rule until just now. I'll stop yelling at my television lol

NBA : NOT Basketball, Actually NBA is entertainment not basketball. When Coach K. wanted to prepare his NBA squad to play in the Olympics he had referees use real rules. there were 6 travelling calls in the first half and none of the NBA players knew what they did wrong. The question is when does one's dribble end? NBA does not want to define that and will continue to allow their moneymakers to do what ever they want.

@hylianaj4739

5 жыл бұрын

Correct

@stephengreenwood9253

5 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY, The NBA today is just like The WWE or any other t.v wrestling show it's entertainment and I blame that on all the rich people and corporations in the world who control the narrative they don't want to see any competition just high scoring they have destroyed the beauty of the game just like they have for the NFL ....no defense allowed no hard hitting allow jusr offense because they don't want their children that they pay $250 a seat and another $200. dollars in food and apparel exposed to such violence BUT AFTER THE GAME IS OVER THEY TAKE THAT SAME KID HOME AND HE RUNS INTO HIS AND SHUTS THE DOOR AND PLAYS A VIDEO THAT 3 TIMES HORRIFYING!!!!!

@shadownesiaSGP

5 жыл бұрын

John Orr Fiba has specific rules to them about traveling is and isn’t. Nearly every other professional or organized basketball league uses the same rules as the NBA.

How is called the first step just after finishing the *stutter step* ?(is the zero step or the pivot foot?) *In basketball, the stutter step is a common warm-up drill where you shuffle and scuff your feet in a quick moving motion across a length of flooring. This warm-up is supposed to keep the players alert and help them prepare to defend players in a real game, since the stutter step is a littler version of shuffling*

What I'm not clear on is what having your hand under the ball means exactly. I mean, the exact hand placement under the ball really matters. If you're running at the right speed, I'm fairly sure you can prevent the ball from dropping with your hand placed at any angle under the ball and not only at bottom dead centre. I'd guess you can keep the ball with the hand placed at 45 degrees from bottom centre, (or perhaps a little higher) provided you're going fast enough. Does that count as a travel?

Actually, this is a good explanation of how recent rule changes in the NBA (the hand positioning on the ball piece esp), which were of course meant to help the offense and increase scoring, have had an impact on the game. So basically, a lot of Harden's step back 3s that LOOK like travelling actually are not based on those rule changes. However, and as you briefly eluded to, he still does travel... and to be honest probably on at least 25% of those shots... but the refs don't call it because, 1) they dont see clearly enough or 2) the Harden factor is in play (meaning, his entire game clearly gets blatant preferential treatment from the zebras... Harden recently eclipsed Lebron James to become the "leader" for this dubious distinction). Now, with that out of the way, could you please do a video explaining why Harden's blatant offensive fouls are almost never called as such? If you watch him closely, he uses his non-dribbling hand to literally shove the defender a few feet away, given them a choice of giving him an uncontested shot or likely getting a defensive foul called for either bumping him or not giving him room to land. This blatant cheat move is by far the most egregious in the history of sports! Not only does he do it (and get away with it) multiple times per game, but on many of them, he commits this foul multiple times. Last night vs GS in game 4, he literally committed 3 offensive fouls and traveled (none called of course) during 1 shot attempt and ended up not only scoring a bucket that should have never even been taken, but also got a +1 foul on the GS defender. This joke is frankly making the NBA unwatchable. So, would really like to hear an explanation on why you think they are allowing him to do this. btw, if it were actually legal, everyone would be doing it right? but aside from Lebron, Chris Paul, the greek freak and a few others, you dont see it, at least not nearly to the ridiculous degree that JH does it.

@AlterZgo

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that Harden's arm bar *sometimes* should be an offensive foul. However, the reason he doesn't get called for it is because the offensive player is allowed to guard the ball with their off hand/arm. That's why many basic dribbling drills are done with the non dribbling arm in a guard position. This becomes a charge if the arm is extended towards the defender. Unfortunately, unless the defender flops or is actually pushed down without flopping, refs will not call a charge. I've seen this repeatedly in the NBA as well as in most youth club games and high school games. Refs either don't look for the extending arm or just miss it. In Harden's case, he's constantly initiating contact and shoving the defenders and the refs just give him superstar calls, but not all of them are offensive fouls as sometimes, he is just guarding the ball with his off arm.

@XcocomocoX

5 жыл бұрын

GS fan? Lol

@zdelivery7573

4 жыл бұрын

Just saying my preferential, i personally like the more physical basketball by using 'legallized' shoves like, pls cmiiw & iirc, allowing to shove using upper arm lateral movement (using shoulder medial & or rear muscles contraction) without the extension of lower arm (triceps contraction) either in defense & offense To me, it adds more strength battle than just a fragile oopsie-woopsie mini ball-game Iirc 80/90s basketball used to allow to slyly total arms shoving like the legendary MJ clutch buzzer beater crossover anklebreaker(?) & the defensive hands-on ball handler's hip to steer & limit the handler's maneuverability. They were too overboard, hence i take the half arm shoving option

@Loldeception

4 жыл бұрын

And this is why he’s the most productive free throw shooter 😂 had like what 27 points from free throws one game

Ballers need to watch this cause they be calling the wrong things.

@biasedfan

5 жыл бұрын

Emmanuel Gatu yea people are like “oh it’s not a travel I’ll take 4 steps back just like him because it’s not a travel”

@1ameman

5 жыл бұрын

Russell WestGOAT right

Yes! It’s ball about hand position during your gather. Sure, traveling can occur regularly during this move because players are in a hurry or off-balance and accidentally pick up their dribble too soon. But given the quick footwork required for this move and how delicately you have to handle the rock, it’s expected. Also, great point, any move that looks remotely weird to a ref or another player is usually (and unjustly) gonna catch a traveling call.

Anything more than 2 steps off a dribble is a travel. Off a pivot second step is a travel. How would you do a step back from a spin? Because moving your pivot foot becomes a travel. Basically it would be similar to a fadeaway. But if the ball remains in the motion of a dribble as you spin and have both feet land in 0 position. Can you take the extra 2 steps step back?

It's definitely a travel. When both hands hit the ball the pivot foot is established, and then he re-establishes with his back foot...if you leave your pivot foot you have to shoot the ball before you hit the ground again. Definitely a travel.

@magentorex6536

5 жыл бұрын

so you're saying if you're running on a fast break and you take two steps after you put both hands on the ball to shoot a layup it's a travel, because you left your pivot foot? Not sure how you can say it's definitely a travel.

@jasonwaznak5825

5 жыл бұрын

@ZW this kind of stuff is the reason why I have such a hard time watching today's league. It's definitely a travel. This zero step rule is bullshit! A step is a step,pure and simple. I've been watching the nba for over 60 years now and i just can't believe how much it has changed for the worse. Skill sets and IQs have dropped to an all time low!!!

@jasonwaznak5825

5 жыл бұрын

@Exotikz Aim •Clan Leader• Yes sir!! I remember the days of when Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain were first coming into the league.

Curry made this move and called for a travel. Tf? 😂😂😂

@prakashnz3914

5 жыл бұрын

Darce De Guzman Ikr 😂😂 I just watched that move and came to KZread to check commentators talk That’s basically every James Harden step back 3 Lmao

@topcatcustoms3d

5 жыл бұрын

Yea refs is paid bro

@jorgemiranda3784

5 жыл бұрын

The Warriors have all sorts of stupid fans huh? None of you have every played organized ball either huh? It’s obvious

@Kenyon712

5 жыл бұрын

Curry looked like a fool. He was too slow. He is not Harden. He does not know how to do it properly.

@iyaaan26

5 жыл бұрын

@@Kenyon712 So Harden trvaled a bit faster? 😂

I know this is mad late. But it is a perfect video explaining the gather/0 step and it's effect on when your steps start to count. People think a dribble stops after the ball has not hit the floor. But as long as your hand is not under the ball, (or 2 hands on it and not palming) you are, in fact, still dribbling. Going to the rim it looks natural. He just goes away from the rim so it's awkward.

When done right it’s not a travel , but Harden has both hands or a hand halfway under the ball when he does it quite a bit I’ve noticed . Never gets called . Refs rarely call travel anyways , but I have noticed it in some of his best highlights 😂

Absolutely a travel. If he does that on any black top court in the hood, that's a turn over hands down

@jimuelmallari4855

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Brown unless they’re playing different sports?

@nelofrmokc6086

5 жыл бұрын

“In the hood “

@thisoldnew4544

5 жыл бұрын

3 steps is allowed in the nba homie

@xcool3yx538

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Brown You Must Dont Play In The Hood Then . Cause Even Kids In The "Hood" Are Doing This .

@MrBrown-ci1pf

5 жыл бұрын

@@xcool3yx538 that's because they see these clowns ruining the game to have higher scoring games

Lifting your pivot foot is a travel!!! The NBA is the only league that do not call travels! “0” step is garbage!!!!

I have a question of Gather step I have understanded about it but I got a one point for make sure it. the point is this *When the Zero step(First step) we should take the ball with one hand? If it is two hand whe the first step, It is not the zero step It counts as a 1step. is there any link of the rule book for the this point?

So the steps were obviously built into the rules with a move *_toward_* the basket in mind (layup or dunk), right? Harden's step back is taking advantage of this rule to create separation by literally *_running away_* from the defender. Whether he's doing it within the rules, it doesn't look like basketball. Anyone think the rule should be modified to only allow steps moving toward the basket?

I see why James harden doesn't get called for it , cuz he's so smooth with it.

It's walking. Some NBA players do the same thing and it's walking for them

Does the pick-up-part with the hand on the ball also apply within the Diva?

3:23 YES!!!! Thank you. He gets away with traveling a lot of times. That's what I'm always saying. Half the time his hand is under the ball

@JimboCruntz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he messes up sometimes, but theoretically and also when executed correctly, this one of the most genius and beautiful moves ever created in basketball. It's amazing and when preformed correctly (as demonstrated in the video) it's perfectly legal by NBA rules. Anyone saying 0 step/gather step doesn't exist just hasn't read the rule book. It was a rule added to try to help avoid injuries on the fastbreak but Harden saw something others didn't and exploited it. Genius.

I was doing that whole last season it exploded my scoring average

@GetHandles

5 жыл бұрын

It's sneaky, crafty and DEADLY!

It's 3 steps after a dribble step. Travel.

@young_king1738

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Turner after you establish your pivot foot.. bring you opposite got back to shot position isn’t counted as a step in any league sooo nah b

@terencerobinson2889

5 жыл бұрын

Young king aaron is right you still can't take steps back when u lose your pivot foot

@Idk-ig4tx

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron Turner yeah sometimes it’s 4

@gavinr9356

5 жыл бұрын

Young_ King17 pivot foot is a pivot foot you can’t move it

@Impenneteri

5 жыл бұрын

Young_king when someone does a step back, one of your feet will be your pivot foot you are not supposed to be allowed to move your pivot foot anymore. So how come Harden can still do another step back after that, he basically move both his feet. RIDICULOUS.

If after a dribble I set my left foot on the floor(this is the zero step) while keeping my hand above the ball without catching it, then simultaneously the moment my right foot touches the floor I catch the ball with my both hands(this is gather step) and for finishing I make two last steps for a shot. Is it a traveling violation?

As soon as you have a 2nd hand on the ball, you don't get to take a step and land. You can take a step (or 2) if driving to the hole, but you have to let it go or pass it before you land.

Meanwhile in 2023 James Harden did a triple step back

@morristhomas5731

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

travel for me, it's too easy for the offense to grab the ball then take a few steps back for a jump shot to create separation, then again it's the nba where the offense is paramount

@metalsadman

5 жыл бұрын

yep, certainly just in the nba. any league other than it, that's a travelling violation.

Great explanation. For your next (if you haven't already) can you do one on how it ALWAYS feels like the players feet hit the ground first before passing . lebron seems to do it all the time. goes up with the ball... just 'before' landing he passes it. but it seems to be travel/double dribble or whatever its called cos im so sure the feet touch the ground first. sorry if i cant explain it properly. im not a big basketball fan/player Cheers

You show the going towards the basket, gather 1,2 and up off of 1 foot. The step back move is gather 1,2 back then up off of 2 feet. The test for me is, show me the same step back moved but going forward. Going forward... Gather, 1,2 then jumping off of 2 feet.

I've heard BS, but this total BS. The NBA is rationalizing the rules because players are traveling all over the place. If they go after Harden then they will have to go after Lebron who walks all the way to the basket and they are too chicken to call them out as long as the money keeps rolling in...

@osmash5449

5 жыл бұрын

Facts

@drejones6467

5 жыл бұрын

The worst...but the face of the league bro, so...

@ronskullie9380

5 жыл бұрын

That is freakin true about lebron

@amitpalbains9361

5 жыл бұрын

John Nowakowski true but LeBron probably travels once every 5 games. James Harden travels once every quarter.

@me_hanics

5 жыл бұрын

This is so true.. Just like in the UFC, where McGregor does inappropiate stuff outside the ring too (like attacking his opponents' bus) for which he should be FOREVER banned, but doesn't get anything, since he earns so much money and media attention for the UFC

Not true... it is traveling because even though he doesn’t pick up the ball and has his hand in a dribbling position, he doesn’t continue to dribble and decides to pick up the ball after the step-back. For it not to be traveling he must execute that last dribble or else that step counts as one of the two that he is allowed.... And let’s not mention that most of the time he pushes with his other arm, kinda like Jordan did against Russel in game 6 in the finals against Utah

@heyuchen7697

5 жыл бұрын

Best answer in the comment area! Well said!

@alejandropaniagua9327

5 жыл бұрын

BananaCanGaming how they keep on changing

Thank you!

I like the way you explained this! AND you even diced in there that fact that Harden does sometimes travel. He is very skilled and beats some officials, who you know wished they had made the later, hindsight. -ha

He might as well be given an NBA exemption of never having to dribble.

@ 2:54 dribble is dead caiuse hand is under like you say. From there its 3 steps. TRAVELING!!!!

@thisoldnew4544

5 жыл бұрын

no

@shineinouzen7412

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah um his hand is on the side of the ball if you can’t see. So the dribble is not dead. Dribble dies once he puts both hands on the ball. While he gathers the ball he steps at the same time. That’s called a gather step, zero step, whatever. Rule implemented since 2009. Then it’s 2 steps after that. Conclusion: no travel

@1nopoint

5 жыл бұрын

It probably is a travel, but there's a better way of it not being a travel by using a hop-step. Instead of the 2nd and 3rd step being planted individually, they are planted at the same time, then those 2 steps are considered one step.

Let me clear it up i am a referee at a amateur grown man league and Harden's step back or euro step is not a travel.How? If you coukd actually see the rule book of the referees you can take a thousand steps but the you are not allowed to touch the ball for it to be legal. Now people keep saying he took three steps while holding the ball. Wrong its all about the timing the refs discussed this about the zero step we even watched Harden's move and played it at . 25 speed at just before harden touches the ball he already took a step. Its always about the timing but sometimes harden still has a wrong timing but doesn't get a call cause the refs are already used to it. You can criticize harden's work ethic its absolutely incredible

It only looks like a travel because he's not headed toward the goal. We're not quite used to seeing this done in the opposite direction. It's the same number of steps, whether going toward the goal for a layup, or backwards for the jumper.

James Harden brought me here

Reminds me of the Aaron Rogers step-back....😏

Best way I could say it is like he's about to do a hesitation dribble but doesn't then takes his step back. Especially when someone does the hesitation dribble then he shoots it verses continuing to drive it to shake the defender Yes it does apply to two step layups if you take the same concept.

At 2:52, I see the right foot become the pivot foot, because you're palming the ball. How can you now dislodge that pivot and take two steps(!), one with each foot? I call it not just a travel, but a double travel. There should be technical fout each time someone tries that crap, to help rid the game of it.