There are just multiple factions. The East Coast Brotherhood is way less religious and more based on just morality. Where the West Coast Brotherhood is far more dogmatic and leans on religious overtones.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Does it actually? I never played the first 2 fallouts. But it just feels like it's tooo much. That said I never did play the first 2 fo games

@usuallydopesvsc

3 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy Oh its heavy handed, regardless. But looking at the Brotherhood from FO 3/4, they're way more like actual knights , and less zealot-y than their west coast counterparts from New Vegas.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

@usuallydopesvsc okay okay I see that actually. So in your mind west coast is more zealot like, this makes sense. Coming from a churchy background this makes me more concerned lol. It reminds me of the crusaders, like we're they doing this because it was the will of God, or were they doing it for their own interests 🥴.

@Alex-pj8nz

3 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy You actually did meet that BOS, you know the BOS Outcast in Fallout 3 that nets you good Karma when you kill them. That's basically them.

@Demongamer00

3 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy you can divide the brotherhood into three ideological group's, the west coast bos,the midwest bos and east coast bos, they all evolved differently.

When playing Fallout 4 being requested to ask farmers to "donate"... I was like:" You are Brotherhood of Steel! Not Steal!"

@Svenne-man-1880

3 ай бұрын

always been a brotherhood of steal

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Hahahaha 😆

Different chapters thou I do think this chapter has connection to the east coast. East cost is much less rule based (except for maxum but he’s a sociopathic fanatic so that’s unfair) West cost is dogmatic and traditional North is a slight mix of both as their footings never been the most solid While the south are apparently crazy thou we have yet to meet them

The short answer is of course it is ran by people and people are corrupt greedy and self destructive that’s kind of the whole theme of Fallout

The brotherhood sits on a curve, too weak or too powerful and the brotherhood falls apart. Too weak and you get the Mojave Chapter in fallout: New Vegas or the 2nd Appalachian chapter in fallout 76. Too strong and you get the Brotherhood in the TV show. Each have their problems. But they are problems that fit to the state of that chapter.

Im calling it. Caesars Legion got folded into the BoS due to their shared hatred of the NCR.

@Fuggernaut

3 ай бұрын

You think Caesars ego would let him do that?

@djashovel

3 ай бұрын

​@Fuggernaut He would have passed away because of his brain tumor Remember And if the courier helped Mr. House That means caesar would have passed away most likely a few months or a year after the dam But here's a fun fact There was actually supposed to be a choice in the game. Or you could make an alliance between the brotherhood and Caesar's legion And You could have convinced caesar to agree to the alliance

@WordEaters-gr9hv

3 ай бұрын

@@djashovel It was cut content, I suppose if Vulpes or Lucius is alive after the Legion collapse, they might take whatever loyal troop and join the BoS to revenge against NCR.

I think Maximus's brotherhood he is part of is a reasonbly sized chapter of the BoS but not 100% that of elder maxsons BoS from FO4, obviously in the show we do see the Prydwen but still unsure if Maxson is alive or not? we have yet to see him in the show as he is the main leader of the BoS , Maybe the Elder cleric who spoke to maximus mentioning to him that he is thinking of making his own BoS chapter, maybe he's trying to split off from the Bos because he is unhappy with Maxsons Leadership?. It makes me think back to FO3's BoS with the Lyons BoS and the Outcasts maybe they're getting inspiration etc from that?.

@joshuagraham2843

3 ай бұрын

There was a brotherhood of steel civil war going on in 76, and have you noticed different about the amazon brotherhood symbol it looks red The main game have black or white cog sword

@yourztruly8255

3 ай бұрын

Remember Arthur Maxson at the time of fallout 4 was not the High Elder. But by the time of the show I’m not sure but if he’s not then he has no authority over the west coast and other chapters just the East Coast

The brotherhood has always been religious in nature to begin with. Mr house even calls them quasi religious zealots, the brotherhood ranks are modeled after medieval concepts like knights,paladins,scribes, elders and they wear robes and they call their historical records as codexes and their mariposa bunker is almost like a crypt. they’re similar to crusader knights of ancient human history and also one of their soundtrack is called “Metallic Monks” doesn’t that just screams “religious” to you ?

Honestly I feel that the one in the Brotherhood has been influenced by someone from Vault 31. Because who sent them the information about the enclave doctor? Hank operated a set of T-60 power armor way better than Maximus. Then not to long after Shady Sands was bombed they were there.

@canaan5337

3 ай бұрын

The power armor was not new Copper had something similar in the battle of Anchorage Hank probably learned how to use it before he was frozen.

@johnlinville8671

2 ай бұрын

@canaan5337 Yeah I get that.

Quintus seems to be acting very much like the brotherhood if you take into account all the games

The Fallout Tv show Brotherhood of Steel is likely just a rogue chapter kind of like how the Fallout NV Chapter had been split from the main line Brotherhood for quite some time.

This my theory regarding the state of the BOS by time of the Fallout TV Show. After the events of Fallout 4, the East Coast (EC) BOS remains as the strongest chapter of the Brotherhood in the wasteland. Arthur Maxson envisions to expand the power of the BOS by bolstering the dying West Coast (WC) BOS. He becomes the Highest Elder of the entire BOS and allows each chapter to continue with its own traditions and independency as long as the main mission of the BOS isn't compromised. This alliance has possibly been formed for a few short years as the WC has issues with its members morale and loyalty. The EC supplies armor, weapons, and munitions to the WC hence why we now see T-60 power armor and machine guns (FO4 Assault Rifle). Yet the equipment that is being given is possibly a surplus from the Commonwealth due to the questionable loyalties and weakness plaguing the WC, notice how all the weapons are ballistic meanwhile the East Coast is armed with energy weapons like Laser Rifles and Gatling Lasers. I believe we are witnessing the rise of the WC BOS.

entire perspective is based on Fo4... need to do more research, didn't even touch on the core tenant of the BoS.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Gotta start somewhere :)) edit: which fallout game had the exact opposite ideologies in your opinion. Might be good to start there

@averyaustin1

4 күн бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy Him: "Shit, i didn't expect a civil response!"

I'm a little late but the base concept for the BoS back when the first Fallout game was released was a pseudo-religious military order of knights and monks. The BoS as portrayed in the show may be more indicative of Bethesda them to return to their roots by adding in the iconography and the cleric role within the structure of the chapter. And if this is the same BoS chapter from the East Coast (it likely is, as the Prydwen is the only BoS airship in existence), then Arthur likely made further changes to his chapter's organizational structure in the years following F4.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Wooaaahh love this. Okay making this short has convinced me to play the first 2 games!

@chengkuoklee5734

3 ай бұрын

If I'm not mistaken in Fallout 4 dialogue Prydwen isn't the only airship. Judging from the cleric words about Brotherhood became weak... While under Maxson's leadership, Brotherhood had became strong, this contradict Cleric view. I suspect Maxson Brotherhood perished in Boston, either destroyed by Institute or Minutemen. As a fan boy of the blue scouts, I really really wish Minutemen won.

@NecroK47

Ай бұрын

@@chengkuoklee5734I prefer that the brotherhood win the battle in Boston, because I do not consider them villains.

Brotherhood of steel is looking like season 2 villain

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Nauuurrr. Or maybe who knows

@Alex-pj8nz

3 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy High Elder Maxson is East BOS while the Elder Looks like he is from the West BOS.

@michaeltovar8711

3 ай бұрын

hope not

@chengkuoklee5734

3 ай бұрын

For me Lyon Brotherhood is the hero, a bit flawed maybe, but his a real deal.

@chengkuoklee5734

3 ай бұрын

There's no good guys in Fallout. Only bad guys with different degrees goodness. In my book Dogmeat is 99.99% goodness; Curie has 98% pure goodness, followed by Preston 97% goodness.

Yes Arthur Maxson is the last descendent of the maxsons but he brought the brotherhood outcast back into the fold which they are the original brotherhood now because he does not follow what elder Owen Lyons wanted in fallout 3 this is the original brotherhood ideals this is the East Coast brotherhood. West Coast has a different flag. I think it’s like yellow and brown in new Vegas Maxson was also a little boy in fallout 3 he was 10 years old. In fallout 4 he’s 20 so I think he’s 29 now in the show or something He was a squire. You could find him at the Citadel, but this new chapter that we’re seeing I believe it’s still the original brotherhood Ways But I’ve noticed there more religious, which the brotherhood of steel which I believe that this was the original idea for the brotherhood in the fallout games that’s what one of the creators said I think that the brotherhood were more a religious faction hoarding technology but I like the brotherhood of steel and I like how they are in the show. I think they’re serious about their goal. They don’t want mankind to get technology in the wrong hands. so the brotherhood are there preventing apocalypse to happen again. But this could either be Maxsons brotherhood are a chapter that he sent out I’m not 100% sure

Does the show take place before or after fallout 4

@chief10133

3 ай бұрын

After

Yes they are always have been and most likely will be.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

I guess it's just me wanting them to be some sort of savior faction 😅😅

@jasonlopez8499

3 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy they're never gonna be a savior faction. fallout 4 solidified that for me when you forced farmers to give up their supplies for the BoS. Arthur is heavily close minded and he reintegrated the outcasts into the BoS, these were members who felt like the common wastelander was beneath them, you can't be a savior with that kind of attitude. the last time they could have been good was in fallout 3 when elder lyons believed in letting wastelanders use technology and teach them how to use it correctly and he let the outcasts walk out of his ranks, essentially cleaning up the faction from all the heretical douchebags.

@theknave1915

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Controversially_Nerdyevery time the brotherhood has tried to "Save" the wasteland it ends up destroying them. The lost hills chapter helps defeat the master and and eventually the Enclave and saves the wasteland... Only to be subverted and eventually defeated by the NCR. The DC Chapter purges the entire Pitt, wages a war of attrition against the DC super mutants and helps to defeat the enclave a second time, and in the end the Pitt is taken over by raiders, the brotherhood suffered a terrible schism and massive casualties that is only ended when a great leader takes the helm of the brotherhood. The First Appalachian Brotherhood launches the most successful conventional war against the scorched plague prior to reclamation day, forming a ring of steel around Cranberry Bog, culminating in Operation: Touchdown. And they eventually are wiped out to a man. Their successor chapter fracturing into infighting over a minor super mutant resurgence. Every time the brotherhood has tried to "save" the wasteland they have either failed, decayed in peace, or gone so far from the origin vision of the brotherhood they might as well be something completely different. And I think that's kind of the point. They aren't the savior faction. They will eventually fail. Because that is the way of the wasteland.

@danieldelrey8798

2 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@jasonlopez8499 THATS the moment that solidified it for you? Not when Maxson’s whole plan and ideology for his chapter was the genocidal extermination of like half the innocent population of the country? Or when they force you to slaughter an actual Underground Railroad which was rescuing fully sentient people from literal chattel slavery, as well as slaughtering any of the nonviolent slaves they freed, who are trying to flee and live a normal peaceful life in society? Including wanting to massacre a far away benevolent refuge of escaped slaves with advanced technology that are bothering no one in the commonwealth and actively furthering peace efforts for the citizens of far harbor? Or when they insist you execute Danse? Yeah… Ok.. I swear most ppl must have crazy nostalgia blinders on with the brotherhood from games with a more heroic chapter or just like their cool vibe & aesthetic and ignore everything else about Maxson’s chapter, cuz as someone who started with F4, to me they are very unambiguously portrayed as genocidal maniacs. I don’t even understand how so many people side with them or think making peace with them is the best ending when their main draw in 4 I see ppl talk abt is Paladin Danse’s storyline which like… if you want him to live, that should ultimately put you at odds with the brotherhood? If you were to look at the situation in the commonwealth realistically and logically, destroying the brotherhood is the only good ending. If you take them at their word instead of projecting your own wishes and hopes and ideas of what the brotherhood should be on to them, there should be no confusion that if left to their own devices they intend to take thousands of innocent lives including beloved characters like Danse, Hancock, Nick Valentine, Deacon, etc. If you’re being realistic and want those characters to get happy endings that don’t involve being slaughtered by impending ethnic cleansing, then no true long-lasting peace can me made with Maxson’s chapter, they must be destroyed. Danse’s storyline and all available lore suggests synths like him experience real sentience & emotion, they are not just mindlessly running on programming. And again, the brotherhood makes it clear they will not rest till they wipe out every last one as well as every ghoul, no matter how innocent or altruistic. A non-feral ghoul is a fully sentient human being as well that just effectively has a gnarly skin condition. If you wanted to rid the world of any innocent person with a skin condition or genetic deformity irl, that would make you a nazi. But slap a cool post-apocalyptic steampunk veneer on the same ideology & ppl act like they’re the saviors of mankind? No guys, genocidal eugenicists are not the good guys even in the apocalypse I’m sorry to say, and if you think so, ur a bad person or need to grow out of ur middle school edgelord phase

@jasonlopez8499

2 ай бұрын

@@danieldelrey8798 ok

nice 👍

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Thanks:))

ouh wee

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

🙃🙃

Yo buddy is glazing maxon. The brotherhood aren't the good guys in Fallout 4 lol

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Idk I liked them :)

@danieldelrey8798

2 ай бұрын

@@Controversially_Nerdy Maxson’s chapter are quite literally genocidal Nazis that want to exterminate half of the sentient, innocent population of the wasteland?? they are very unambiguously the bad guys in fallout 4

@NecroK47

Ай бұрын

Yes they are the good guys! The only villain in Fallout 4 is the player.

The brotherhood have always been like this in the show its what we got it who they are people getting upset about it are just stuck on elder lions version of them

Its nice to see someone who have actually played and payed attention to the ECBOS storyline in Fallout 4 and knows Arthur is a great guy. Moving on the BOS has always had a minor religious aspect to them its just more prominent in the show for some reason. Here for example is dialogue from Owen Lyons the man who raised Arthur and why he is such a good man from Fallout 3. "Brothers, today I offer a simple prayer. Hail, Creator. Blessed is your power and mighty is your gift of Steel. Bless us today, your noble warriors who dwell in this hall. Let us ride upon wings of thunder and chariots of glory, to bring destruction to your enemies. To bring destruction upon your wicked enemies." That all being said, I do think you might be onto something, as the WC branch never liked Owen Lyons' reforms that Arthur kept nor did they really like Arthur himself.

@danieldelrey8798

2 ай бұрын

Planning a genocide of all non-humans actually makes you objectively a terrible guy. Non-feral Ghouls are effectively no different than your everyday person with a bad skin condition, if you wanted to cleanse the countryside of every burn victim for looking creepy irl, I’m sorry to say but that would make you a genocidal maniac, not a great guy.

Honestly, as so.e one who played all the games. There is something way off with this chapter, and im all for it.

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

its nice right, like whats going on with them. I still think its the writers way of encouraging Maximus' growth. Given how wishy washy he is with what he wants.😅

@janetd5121

3 ай бұрын

Also they are all guys it seems, I didn't notice one female member and that in itself seems odd.

Fo4 is my favourite interpretation of the bos there return to there original roles if you can call it that I’ve only played half way through the game but it’s definitely funny seeing that maxson be come the leader of the bos even if he’s a little crazy but that’s all I have to say about bos so bye

@Controversially_Nerdy

3 ай бұрын

Maxson is wild lol. But I do like his stance on things, maybe that tells you what kind of person I am hahaha

@danieldelrey8798

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@Controversially_Nerdy A bad person who likes being edgy for fun? Grow the fuck up dude. A non-feral ghoul is basically a regular human being with a skin condition, if they existed IRL & you supported their genocide just for looking kinda creepy like Maxson plans, you’d be no better than a Nazi. Which unless you haven’t grown out of your middle-school edgelord phase, you’d recognize as a bad thing.

i dont know about corrupt, but they virgins for sure LUL