Is the American JLTV really that good of a Tactical Light Vehicle?
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The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) is a United States military (specifically U.S. Army, U.S. Marine Corps) and United States Special Operations Command program to part-replace the Humvee with a family of more survivable vehicles with greater payload. Early studies for the JLTV program were approved in 2006. The JLTV program incorporates lessons learned from the earlier Future Tactical Truck Systems program and other associated efforts.
The JLTV program has evolved considerably throughout various development phases and milestones including required numbers and pricing. Variants are capable of performing armament carrier, utility, command and control (shelter), ambulance, reconnaissance and a variety of other tactical and logistic support roles. JLTV follows the U.S. Army's Long Term Armor Strategy with kits for two levels of armor protection. Oshkosh's L-ATV was selected as the winner of the JLTV program in August 2015 and awarded an initial production contract for up to 16,901 JLTVs. The U.S. Army approved the JLTV for full-rate production in June 2019.
A competitive rebuy for the A2 JLTV is currently in progress, the final Request for Proposal (RfP) for this issued on 9 February 2022, with a contract award expected in September 2022.
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I was a Bradley mechanic and Recovery operator during the first rotation into Iraq and even was there during the second and third rotations. I saw our Hummvs get absolutely shredded by nuts and bolts that were laid around IEDs. The vehicles looked like someone shot bird shot at paper targets. They 1114s with the upgraded armor plate and the shrapnel went straight through them. The damn ballistic glass was the toughest part of the trucks. During my 2nd tour I was assigned to the 101st ABN ( loaned to them) at FOB Normandy. They already had 8 Hummvs destroyed by IED by the time i arrived. I was assigned to them because their colonel demanded better armor protection. So he got pre-po Bradley's from Kuwait. 13 to be exact. By the time they rotated back to the states 8 months later 11 of the Bradley's were coded out. 5 of which burned down due to the IEDs striking fuel cell under the turret. Hell I towed two of them while they were still burning because I wasn't waiting for Haji to wake up want to play. Anyways when I was in Kuwait at start of the 2nd tour I was sent with our smo to boneyard in Kuwait for Hummv parts scrounging. The Hummv boneyard was honestly one of two times I cried during that time. The trucks were all snapshots of how destructive IEDs are. It was a pitiful sight. And the yard was multiple football fields big and that was just the 2nd tour starting and just the Hummvs. Every time I rode in a Hummv going FOB to FOB. I never once felt remotely safe. They were Coffins on wheels in Iraq. The thousands of soldiers who did missions in those things were god damn brave and deserve allot of credit. I am grateful that the Army is replacing the Hummvs. But it should have been done before Iraq was ever a thing.
@Alex-co7cq
2 жыл бұрын
The politicians never should have sent you to Iraq in the first place but I appreciate and respect what you did there and went through. Cannot even begin to imagine what it was like.
@MrTaxiRob
2 жыл бұрын
What kind of crap did they teach you in the military? Hajis are from India, duh.
@gpheonix1
Жыл бұрын
@@Alex-co7cq at least with iraq there's something to show. Not like afghanistan, at least not ended like that war was.
@sam8742
Жыл бұрын
@@MrTaxiRob It's like a slur for arabs, hadji is a muslim who made a pilgrimage to the mecca Haji is a slur based off of the latter
@williamdodds1394
Жыл бұрын
Like the British snatch landrover were death traps there not for armoured warfare at all troops should be in boxer type vehicles are IFV .
Marine here! We use JLTVs a lot and I really like them. They're WAY better than the piece of shit Humvees, and WAY more comfortable. I do have a problem with how the doors dont have an automatic assist to open it, like most vehicles. Its heavy AF! I'd imagine if it rolled onto it's side, trying to open that bitch would be impossible! Hooking radios up to them is also very simple, and I love how the vehicle tells you everything that's wrong with it. All in all, from an 0621 experience, 10/10!
@yato329
2 жыл бұрын
I drove an uparmored from pendleton to 29 twice and from Pendle to Yuma once as well. I'm so glad they're gone now.
@michaelwhite9199
2 жыл бұрын
The HMMWV was meant to be a utility car/truck not an armored car. It’s not it’s fault the Army and the Marines were too stupid to understand that.
@bettercallsol5153
2 жыл бұрын
I’m a 21 too, the only thing I don’t like is the doors, I got my hand caught in a door and broke all my fingers getting into one, but I definitely love them, especially the mrc 148s
@reggiehammer4343
2 жыл бұрын
They have the assist option. Just the gov didn't buy them
@ottovonbismarck7646
Жыл бұрын
@@reggiehammer4343 that makes me feel so happy.....
I live in Wisconsin, we actually toured Oshkosh Defense in high school. They had a whole room on our route dedicated to the JLTV, all of the engineering that went into it was super impressive. I wish I remembered more of it now 😅
@jackc7617
2 жыл бұрын
Metoo
@sunnycat69
2 жыл бұрын
in high-school I got to visit general dynamics in Saco they had a room with the mk48 and m60E3
@likydsplit8483
2 жыл бұрын
When I was in school in Odessa, TX - we took a field trip to Lubbock to see the tree.
@thomasjefferson7584
2 жыл бұрын
I’m from wisconsin too, was super proud… until I used them. Swapped HMMWVs for JLTVs as a cav platoon leader. They suck. Too big (the only way to get a light skin vehicle to survive is through having it present a small observable object). Tiny windows, no situational awareness etc
@originalzo6091
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for verifying the existence existence of Wisconsin I've had doubts
It will be interesting to see how long the Humvee will stick around now that it can more likely stay in the rear where the expense of this thing isn't quite needed.
@StruggleGaming
2 жыл бұрын
It will definately stick around for a while since it's initial role was back line trrop transport in the first place. It could prolly be retrofitted/upgraded to an EV since it could pile on so much weight in armor in the sandbox. Would help with roll overs 2.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
They need to upgrade the motor to the 6.5 though. That's only a top-end motor rebuild but it would add about 20% more horsepower, something the HUMMER desperately needs.
@theimmortal4718
2 жыл бұрын
They forbid the use of them outside the wire in combat zones after about 2012. We've been using the M-ATV. Both kinda suck for different reasons. I hope this is better, as it seems to be the best parts of both. The ironic thing is that the original humvee was light, like you said. Now, the army and Marines have been fielding light tactical vehicles that essentially do what the original humvee did with a better engine and suspension. Vehicles like the Flyer 60 and 72.
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
@@theimmortal4718 The "light" unarmored vehicles do nothing of importance that the ORIGINAL HMMWV didn't do. They added some trivial capability and said it was superior because of blah blah blah BS. They bamboozled some generals...one of whom is now retired & the VP of a company making the little vehicle. Ain't that heart-warming? No fraud waste abuse in those programs....
@theimmortal4718
2 жыл бұрын
@@Buck123four I disagree. Instead of having one platform trying to be everything from light trucks to armored cars, we will have separate vehicles to do that. The JLTV is superior to the M1114 in every way.
As an infantryman in the Marine Corps that drives the JLTV nearly every day, I've got to say that I absolutely love this beautiful beast! It's better than the HMMWV in every aspect. The fastest speed I've ever gotten the JLTV up to is 90mph, which is pretty fast for something of that weight.
@VersatileWarrior
6 ай бұрын
better man than me going 90, lmao
Software bugs have the least priority when it comes to JLTV. As time passes those can be easily patched up by installing new software.
@samsonsoturian6013
2 жыл бұрын
That's been the DoD's attitude to servicing their employee portals, too...
@Cris_the_coder
2 жыл бұрын
As a programmer I agree bugs can always be fixed later on.
@morriganmhor5078
2 жыл бұрын
As in Windows? Don´t you say ;-)
@orlock20
2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe it's the software, but the hardware. Heat and liquids are just bad for computer systems.
@Envious__
Жыл бұрын
@@orlock20 The water doesnt touch the computers but holy shit the heat sure does especially in the Abrams and Bradleys
I have had the honor to work in a business that fills a small but important role in the JLTV project, I handle armored parts for the JLTV and have also handled thousands of armored parts for packages that go on the humvee, and I'm glad to see how much more protection some one riding in the B-kit JLTV is offered compared to the armored humvee, I can also say the quality controll on the JLTV project is impressive, traceability is taken EXTREEMLY seriously so if for example a window frame fails in combat, or has cracked welds or even its paint falls off oshkosh or the US millitary can quarantine those parts and find out when, and where they were produced, if documentation is lost for a part no matter how large or expensive it has to be scrapped so that way oshkosh or worst case the millitary is ensured it can find the source of a failure
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
That is amazing, isn't it? Tracing simple things & IDing who worked on it...
@2bidfilmsguy
Жыл бұрын
@@Buck123four considering the "quality" of people in the American work force, yes it is
@WCDL
Жыл бұрын
When I worked at Raytheon we had to sign off on every single part assembled. I think it helped keep everyone honest in their work
Former US Army Recon. OIEF & OEF. Yes, yes it is.
@sgtmayhem7567
2 жыл бұрын
Scouts out brother.
@BEMEiTY
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgtmayhem7567 Six in six out.
At the 16:11 mark, the story of the roll over was funny because I was in the training class. To be fair though it happened due to a humvee pulling out in front of them during a speed trial on a tank trail. No injuries at least.
You need to check out the new STORMBREAKER system which is strapped to a Small Diameter Bomb. It is an active homing glide bomb kit that can hit MOVING TARGETS. It could be the next revolution in the JDAM type tech!
@joshuajoaquin5099
2 жыл бұрын
that tech already existed
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuajoaquin5099 StormBreaker takes ordinary "dumb bombs" and not only makes them smart like the JDAM does. It turns them into AUTONOMOUS GLIDE BOMBS capable of hitting a moving target. That's one step above a JADM. Just program it, release it, and move along to the next target! Range for the Small Diameter Bomb version (the one tested) is approaching 100km when released at altitude.
@Lukyan
2 жыл бұрын
@@swaghauler8334 Yeah, that tech has been around for a while now.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
@@Lukyan Name the system then. STORMBREAKER makes a JDAM, AUTONOMOUS... as in fire and forget it.
@donkoh5738
2 жыл бұрын
@@Lukyan - maybe he's on the marketing team, who knows. But yes, the tech is already existing. Fair point
The HMMWV has done all that's been asked of it. When it's up-armored, it can take a beating. However, mobility & payload capacity suffers. According to Oshkosh, that's what lead to the development of the JLTV. It was an attempt to restore good automotive performance at an acceptable level of protection. Again, there's nothing wrong with the HMMWV. In fact, they're not replacing them all. The JLTV will be issued, primarily, to the combat arms units. They aren't going to issue JLTV's to a Quartermaster unit. They are back behind friendly lines. If IED's are a threat there, they'll send properly equipped Combat Engineers or MP's to locate those devices, and have the Engineers destroy them. So, REMF's don't need JLTV's, and most likely won't have them. They'll stick with the HMMWV, which still works, just fine.
@yontevenknow3789
2 жыл бұрын
The only thing taking a beating on an up armored HMMWV is the suspension. That piece of junk was replaced for a reason.
@sgtmayhem7567
2 жыл бұрын
Great comment, as a former Airborne Infantryman I loved your use of the word REMF. I think the US military should get something even more economical to operate and repair than the HUMMWV, like the old Jeep, but updated for the 21st century.
@skookapalooza2016
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgtmayhem7567 I don't know if you were aware, but back in 2009, the USMC did just that. They purchased the M1161 & M1163 Growler. The few former Marines who commented on the video I watched, complained that they were complete POS's. However, a company that specializes, at least partly, in purchasing & refurbing the ones available through DRMO, claims that he thinks they make great civilian vehicles. So, who knows, you know that Joe Snuffy can break ANYTHING he sets his mind to; and it's not exactly uncommon for servicemen to complain about the vehicles they have. That's nothing new. So, maybe the USMC was really onto something good with the M1161, and just decided, for whatever reason, to abandon it for something else...from either new requirements, or political reasons. As you know, the they tend to go hand-in-hand. 🤔
@user-do5zk6jh1k
Жыл бұрын
@@sgtmayhem7567 Honestly, I don't know why we don't operate more off the shelf vehicles for rearline duties.
@Hsutheguard
Жыл бұрын
Depends honestly, some quartermaster unit such as my Brigade Support Battalion I'm stationed at already have those, our supply warehouse also have jltv parts
I have had the joy (yeah, right!) of operating several variants of US Army vehicles on interstate highways during my time with the N.C. ANG and the Michigan ANG. Back in 1989, with the Michigan ANG, we went to our annual training at Camp Grayling Joint Maneuver Training Center about 200 miles from our armory and it took over 9 hours to get the convoy to our destination. I drove up in a standard US Army semi-truck/trailer pulling a unit CP. That was awful since the passenger seat was non-existent as it was really just a box with pad that I sat on. For the ride back though...that was in a Vietnam Era Jeep (proper Jeep made Jeep) with a soft top and it was a load and uncomfortable trip. Many years later after going to college and joining the NCANG I got the privilege of driving the Humvee on the interstate. I was in JAG Unit and we traveled to various armories for handle various legal affairs. I will never forget just how loud those things were on the Interstate, yeah they shake violently and are extremely loud at highway speeds. For that matter, they are loud just sitting there idling! The newer vehicles are so much better designed than the ones we had 15+ years ago!
@MrTaxiRob
2 жыл бұрын
why didn't they assign you regular sedans for that kind of work?
@bwilk6372
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrTaxiRob don't question DOD logic, its better to just shake your head go back to what you were doing
@MrTaxiRob
2 жыл бұрын
@@bwilk6372 well it's just that I live in San Diego, and I never see officers or NCOs rolling around between our 20 military bases in HumVees. They got Hyundai Elantra hybrids with DoD plates.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
They didn't call them HUMMERS for nothing! IF you wanted comfort, you should have driven the HEMTT. That drives like an actual civilian truck.
@skookapalooza2016
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrTaxiRob It's great to know our military is authorized to buy foreign vehicles. It doesn't matter, because it's a hybrid! I'm glad to know we're screwing the American workers so we can "go green"...because...you know...no U.S. auto makers offer any hybrids...right?!!
I absolutely love the look of the JLTV. It would be so cool if Oshkosh offered a scaled down civilian version, obviously without the weapons systems and armor, but maintaining it’s off road capability.
@PrograError
2 жыл бұрын
but no deliveries...
@kriegsvogel1577
2 жыл бұрын
That would be opportunity for the chinese to copy the design
@hudbudmudsud
2 жыл бұрын
@@kriegsvogel1577 Given their reputation, they might be doing it right now lol.
@scratchy996
2 жыл бұрын
@@kriegsvogel1577 The Chinese already copied other designs. Things like the Mowag Eagle, Iveco LMV, etc have been around for a while.
@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader
Жыл бұрын
Buy a Chevy truck its cheaper
Currently, I use the JLTV for work and I like it so far. Our M1068s don't really work anymore as a command vehicle so we run the BN FSE out of the JLTV currently until we get a replacement for our M1068s. Rides super nice and has a lot of crew amenities.
I loved the footage of them operating on the moon. Very impressive.
One of these would make a badass wildland fire truck.
@weatherloops
2 жыл бұрын
That is the most brilliant thing i heard all day let me just just go and photoshop it real quick
It will make a good battlefield taxi behind the lines. With the way things are now with drones and ATGMS in abundance, the battlefield has radically changed since I left in 2007. Drone detection systems need to be a must now on any battlefield.
I mean it has working A/C so it’s good enough for me
We had the bigger brother, M-ATV, in Afghanistan (2010) but we only used it for QRF because it was way quicker because of the lighter armor.
Currently serving in the USMC. The HMMWV is a good truck, but almost every time I drove one, or we had one for an operation, something would go wrong, and would have to be towed back to base. Drivin HMMWV offroad and on road and it was not comfortable. They jltv on the other hand, is just amazing. Only gripe I have about it is how loud it is on the inside while at highway speeds, but the fact that it can do highway speeds is all I care about. Driving the jltv offroad is amazing. So smooth and comfortable, and just handles rough terrain like it's not even there. 10/10 wish I could buy my own jltv😂
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a good summary. Many people commenting have zero idea what they are talking about...set them straight.
@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader
Жыл бұрын
Pmcs is always optional for everyone
I was a Motor Transport maintenance chief in the Marines when my unit started getting these things. They were fantastic to drive and are great vehicles to ride, but a lot of the maintenance had to be done by contractors and they seem like they are going to be an absolute pain in the ass on to work on when they break down. They are 5 times more complex than HMMWVs and have way more systems built in. I worry that once they get into combat, the vehicle readiness is going to plummet when the unit mechanics can't fix them. Also there have been many other rollovers. A prominent one in the Marines was a student driver flipping 2 vehicles simultaneously during a vehicle towing course
@TrangleC
2 жыл бұрын
With it being that big and heavy, I don't really see the point anymore. They could just have replaced all the HMMWVs with Strykers and it basically would have been the same.
@RexWort
2 жыл бұрын
Yikes What with the military using very complex computer dependent vehicles?
@calvincoolidge6627
2 жыл бұрын
Think they’ll be able to improve it over 30 years?
@Soulessdeeds
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the older cold war vehicles are super easy to troubleshoot and repair. The new stuff uses allot of stuff see in modern cars. I was damn good at repairing Bradley's and recovery vehicles. But it wasn't until I went to diesel tech school where I got a associate degree and Fords FACT, and Cummins Engines electives, that I understood just how god awful trained I was as a mechanic and especially in engine repair and electrical troubleshooting and repair. My god I would ruled my motor pool just as a E5 LOL. We learned absolutely dick in AIT and not much more from our leaders from there on. Everything I learned in the Army was experience and reading manuals. I was good for a Army mechanic. But as soon as dealership recruiters came to our school and I was still new in school. And they heard me say I only had 15 years Army training and experience. Every single one just shut down immediately. Military mechanic training is notorious among civilians as very sub par. So I can only imagine how things are going to be when these things are in war and the contractors are nowhere around lol. It won't be Russia in Ukraine bad but it won't be pretty either.
@KSIREBEL
2 жыл бұрын
@@Soulessdeeds Exactly. You are taught the most basic of maintenance in the schoolhouse and then just thrown to the units to learn how to do the actual work. Like I said, a lot of the work on these vehicles HAVE to be done by contractors so our guys aren't even being taught how to do the work. The suspension system is the biggest one, it's run by a high pressure nitrogen gas system and my guys weren't even allowed to touch it, much less learn how to troubleshoot and fix it. Even the MATVs and other gen 2 MRAPs weren't nearly that hard to fix once you learned the tricks to removing the armor.
A little on the armor. JLTV has been designed to comply with the U.S. Army's Long Term Armor Strategy (LTAS). The LTAS system follows an A-kit/B-kit principle, with vehicles designed "fitted for, but not with" protection. Protection kits can be installed and uninstalled from vehicles in the field using basic tools. The A-kit is fitted on the production line and is a combination of a limited amount of armoring, in difficult-to-access areas of the vehicle, together with a significant amount of armor installation attachments and required support structures. The bulk of the armor, the B-kit, is installed in the field on an as-required basis.[6] Two soldiers can install B-kit armor in five hours. An 800-pound RPG protection kit can be installed in two hours at field-level maintenance and completed by the crew within 30 minutes.[72] The JLTV offers protection levels greater than those of up-armored HMMWVs and comparable to those of original MRAP class designs, but in an overall vehicle package that is considerably smaller and lighter than vehicles procured under the U.S. Marines MRAP procurement.[73] The benefits of the A-kit/B-kit principle are that armor is only fitted when required, reducing vehicle wear and tear and, by default, whole lifecycle costs. Improvements and/or upgrades to armor are also far easier to integrate into an appliqué solution. No quantity for JLTV armoring kits has yet been disclosed, but it is anticipated that the estimated $65,000 kits will be procured on a one kit to three vehicle basis.[6] The overall protection will include a spall liner to minimize perforation effects within a vehicle when the vehicle takes hostile fire.[74][75] The JLTV has an automatic fire-extinguishing system to protect the crew cabin.[72] Fuel tanks are mounted externally and shielded by the JLTV structure. Each crew seat has a combined seat and blast restraint device. Ingress time for a crew of four in combat equipment is 30 seconds or less. Egress with B-kit doors is within 10 seconds.[72] The only weight-related data officially released includes a gross vehicle weight of 10,266 lb. Payload for the two-door variant is quoted as 2,318 kg, payload for the four-door variant is quoted as 1,590 kg. The USMC required a vehicle that can be transported by their current and planned systems. In April 2009, Marine Corps Commandant James Conway warned that the Marine Corps "will not buy a vehicle that's 20,000 lb."[76]
@danielcadwell9812
2 жыл бұрын
10 seconds to egress can be an eternity when you've been hit and start to burn.
Awesome INTRO!!! Keep it up!
Great video, Matt!
You gotta admit they look good.
I was one of the first ones in my unit to get the license for the JLTV after 2 years of driving the HMMWVs and I can say that the JLTVs are Cadillacs off-road. It went everywhere I wanted it to and didn't wreck my spine compared to the Hummer.
@AFTERSHOCK-bh7hh
Жыл бұрын
Do they give JLTV operating licenses to Mechs? I'm a mech currently but would love to drive one.
@millerharwell4136
Жыл бұрын
@@AFTERSHOCK-bh7hh I don't know I just got told to go to the course lol
Watch this channel after a while. The new into song is DOPE AF.
I drove it twice, it feels like a SUV. Just like many vehicles in the army this one needs to air up too in order to move, difference is the JLTV have a "rise up" mode which lift the chassis higher as part of the SOP, you can still drive it without rising it but recommended only in low speed.
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
That capability is for USMC JLTV to fit on prepo ships where HMMWVs had been stored...they didn't wanna buy new ships.
You've got the most badass intro ever!
I liked the MATV in syira so I imagine I would like the smaller version.
I really like the jltv. It looks menacing, is very practical, and is an off-roading beast. You can tell it means business when it comes to off road due to the long lower control arms which allows for greater suspension articulation and travel. It’s very impressive
I was in logistics in the USMC, I was an LVS operator. Most of my cohorts and I did not like and avoid the Humvee whenever we could. I would take the 7 ton or the LVS even though they are larger vehicles. I never got the chance to drive these new vehicles.
@thomasjefferson7584
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve used both. I HATE the JLTV
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
I loved driving the M931 Tractor and the M939 5-Ton. They were easy to drive and not bad to ride in either.
@Slim_Slid
4 ай бұрын
The LVS/MK48 was really an interesting vehicle in the USMC. They retired them a long time ago with the LVSR which comes as the MKR15-MKR18 and then there's the MMRS.Honestly,it's just the USMC's own verison and armored copy of the Army's PLS.On the other hand,even though production discontinued it's awesome that the Navy Seabees and USMC will hold onto the MTVR's for a long time.
I don't what it's base level is but it has attachment fixtures for various levels armor protection provided in kits and is field installable.
I used Oshkosh MTVR and M-ATV in Iraq/Afghanistan. Everything they make is amazing. Along with Toyota, it is the only company I trust 100%. Edit: Also, I have no love for the Humvee. They were terrible even considering their intended purpose.
@M167A1
2 жыл бұрын
We liked them just fine back in the day, particularly compared with the m151.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
You have obviously NEVER driven the GOAT (Gamma-Goat)! You'll be wishing for that Hummer when you do!
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
@@swaghauler8334 Only Gama-goat you'll see will be in a museum.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
@@Buck123four I drove one in 91. They suck!
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
@@swaghauler8334 I drove one at Bragg 74-75. POS wouldn't downshift; if ya wanted to slow down ya had to come to a stop, then start over. How effed-up is that?
Love these vids
MOD have cancelled the JLTV order they placed a few years ago..... JLTV/AJAX/WARRIOR upgrade...all miss managed. British armed forces..Lions, led by donkey's from Whitehall. Thanks for the upload Mat.
As a former 82nd Airborne Recon Plt gun Jeep commander I thought HUMMWVS looked like Cadillacs. These JLTVs are just awesome, our troops deserve the very best in a combat zone. It’s no surprise there are rollovers these vehicles are being operated by young guys full of piss and vinegar. You know the old saying “a GI can break a steel ball with a rubber mallet”. These vehicles are too expensive and too costly to run to be used for day to day errands military in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas US military needs to get an economical vehicle for day to day usage in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas. This is another great video, lots of facts and well presented.
My experience supporting operators of these trucks basically comes down to three things; 1. Operators love how they drive and the additional features (like pretty good AC) and more room in the back to store the containers worth of BII they carry around. 2. At least half the trucks are down for maintenance at any given point and contractors do by far the most work. It's not to throw shade at Army Maintainers but it's a newer system and you can't just hand a private a tool box and tell them good luck (saw alot of that while I was in). 3. You do have roll over issues, software problems (looking at you commanders display) and werid lack of GPS brackets (if you know, you know) for a subsystem in the truck. These should have been fixed prior to mass fielding. It's kinda like a modern video game debut where a bunch of features are missing and it's filled with bugs but it's still fun. They say after spending hundreds of millions of dollars that they'll fix it over several patches but can't promise when that'll be so your stuck with only half what you payed for.
@sofineri2471
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. My son said learning to drive them is horrible because of poor visibility out the windows. They are also difficult to transport by helicopter or Osprey. They weigh a lot.
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
@@sofineri2471 They ARE transportable by CH-47 & CH53. Not as far as a unarmored HMMWV, but armor weighs more.
I think this vehichle is beautiful
I have seen and used Osh vehicles since 1986 with HEMIT Trucks and other families of vehicles. Osh has always made a good system, I wish GM did the same, but I have no love for their garbage. I saw recently Osh had a JLTV with a turret with a Bushmaster 25mm. That looked beyond bad ass!
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted the HEMTT tractor with a Lowboy hauler to be fitted with an M198 155mm Howitzer with the M1 Abrams electric turret drive and turret ring base on it. Just drop 4 jack stands (like on Oshkosh's rotator rigs) and start shooting. The lowboy rig would be low enough to the ground that the entire gun crew could run the M198 from the ground and you'd have a 360-degree traverse. Uncle Sam should have modded the M198s after the M777 came out.
@reggiehammer4343
2 жыл бұрын
30 mm with a crows system is what they are Made ready for
I live a few miles away from the factory, so I see JLTVs out for test drives all the time (and MRAPs and HEMTTs). Gotten stuck behind them in traffic more than once. The local hobby store always has a few models of various Oshkosh trucks, and it's not uncommon that I'll be looking at the model kit while the real thing rolls by just outside. By the way, the correct pronunciation is actually "Slosh-kosh" (I've never been entirely sure if it's an insult, a term of endearment, or both).
I worked as an industrial engineer there for a bit, real neat stuff.
Watching this from the cabin of a JLTV right now
I had a mutt jeep with no armor. It was agile and very capable of getting across off road hazards. They took that jeep away and gave me a Hummer. It was way less agile and any large grade variances or terrain stability was an issue. The reality is the dividing line of armored or unarmored vehicles. I was a forward observer and needed to be fast over a wide range of terrain. I relied on recon and intel to determine areas that we could operate in. If that intel was bad then we were boned anyway. We chose to go in harms way with the intel that we had and it worked. The reality in war is that someone was going to get the short straw. The hummer was a down grade in this role. Higher vis, horrible offroad ability, and cumbersome. The weight to engine power was horrible. I can't imagine how an even heavier vehicle would have performed. There should be a standard for light unarmored vehicles for recon and fast troop movements, then a light armor vehicle that protects from shoulder fired rounds when speed is crucial to reinforce the front line, then the medium armored vehicles for the reinforcement troops to get to the rear areas to start the fobs and logistic support areas through potentially compromised routes of travel. Air conditioning is a luxury. Once acclimated to the local environment is not an issue. If you are hot, stick your head out the window. When the Hummers first came out, I was out at 29 palms and three were rolled and one caused a major injury. I had enough clout to keep my mutt and likely was one of the last in the field. When you are blazing new paths, be fast and agile. When you are following those paths, be careful and prepared for shoulder fired weapons, when you are travelling established roads, be prepared for IEDs and other non-conventional weapons. The reality is push hard with motorized, follow up with mechanized, then support with air mobile. The money spent on armored third wave support should be spent on air mobile assets and then assets to remove anti air targets.
@SonsOfLorgar
2 жыл бұрын
sounds like you would have been better served by driving a number of offroad trikes or quad bikes than a humvee
@geofftimm2291
2 жыл бұрын
@@SonsOfLorgar That's the old motorcycle scouts conundrum one man can do a lot, BUT a dedicated driver and two other people looking and thinking will be more effective. Geoff Who wants one of those magical AI threat detectors, but all they do is find liberal politicians....
@sunnycat69
2 жыл бұрын
@@SonsOfLorgar brits use land rover
@brucebartup6161
2 жыл бұрын
That knowledge is gold, i hope someone uses it. Or do we know all the answers onlyno one asks us questiions any morte coz we're old and wrinkly? Min d you what's fast nowadays? Back in 1870 a mule was faster than a marching column across bad terrain - so aa mule was fast and heaaavy carry. . Thats how we ggoyt pack artillerty. The british rmy llost its lastmules for jeep towed artillery in 1943/. So fas jeeep might not be fast enugh now. Jet Pack? My solytion was a heavilyy armored carrer, powerfull off road capable, and fast lightly armorrredd vehicle for he last few miles into the arera. The lightest spasest dismounted trooops crry shulder launched something or other, So tttttth days of jeeps are gone I'm afrid.
@vaclavjebavy5118
2 жыл бұрын
@@brucebartup6161 what are you even saying
Faster, better protection, and some cool AC with seats built for your kit. Worth it.
I was wondering how the humvee was being replaced. This new JTLV looks like a good solution
@scratchy996
2 жыл бұрын
The JTLV is only meant to replace the armored humvees in combat zones and contested areas. The humvee will still remain in service in the role it was build for, a multi purpose 4x4 vehicle meant for everyday use behind the front lines, and in uncontested areas.
@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader
Жыл бұрын
Till the nitrogen ride breaks
I love the passive amount of camber loss on the rear suspension. That much camber change certainly has to bump steer terribly. You can see it happen as it enters the ditch and looses traction while the vehicle turns perpendicular without the steering input angle changing.
You can do anything with this thing. The marines are even making them remotely operated and putting 2 NSM's on them. Basically, a coastal sentinel. How cool is that?!
@lukejohnston4666
2 жыл бұрын
Type 052D killer...
@BravoCheesecake
2 жыл бұрын
@@lukejohnston4666 Damn right!
@RK-cj4oc
2 жыл бұрын
In other words. Soon it will be ai controlling them. How "great" cant wait for algorithms to decide life or death at the flip of a politician's finger.
@BravoCheesecake
2 жыл бұрын
@@RK-cj4oc What part of human in the loop don't you get? A human will always be the one pulling the trigger, it is part of military protocol. An AI will never decide to release a weapon, you're making shit up.
@RK-cj4oc
2 жыл бұрын
@@BravoCheesecake If you can have something remote controlled. Then you can eventually put it on AI. For now humans decide. Once tech is cheap enough humans wont decide anything.
You should make a review of the Iveco LMV, there's an entire "Megafactories" documentary about it (but when i tried to upload it it was taken down almost immediately)
any channel that appropriately uses Neffex songs for military videos is an instant like for me
I’ve TC’d many a JLTV. They perform really well and are great to ride in if you are wearing body armor, if not it’s really uncomfortable. Also it’s extremely loud inside and out. You’ll hear this thing coming a long way away.
Merci , intéressant .
The two-seat open bed version of the JLTV is just sweet Polaris also makes an extreme light weight off road vehicle for airborn deployment. I'm curious if the Amry looks into something to replace the humvee in the back lines to reduce the fuel waste in theater.
The i actually got a chance to see one of these in person it was on the back of a semi truck in fact it was three of them I thought it looked kinda cool and the next day heading down the interstate I passed a couple of National guard humvees on the road the vehicle it is ment to replace talk about that being a strange deal😂
That was my unit brother!!! I wasn’t there for maple resolve tho. De opresso liber 🤙🏻
YOU DID MY REQUEST 😀😀👍👍👍👍👍
When u said u had a defender I knew this was a cool channel
It's great to see you putting out more reviews! Thanks!! I have gotten to walk around a couple at a rest stop, and they are HUGE! They dwarf Humvees and could carry a WWII Jeep inside the cabin!! Isn't the Humvee being kept as a rear area light cargo vehicle where the size and expense of the JLTV not necessary?
@scratchy996
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the humvee will continue to live on in its original intended role. No point in driving around in peacetime in a JLTV .
@petesheppard1709
2 жыл бұрын
@@scratchy996 Wanna bet brass find a way to run around in JLTVs, though???
@scratchy996
2 жыл бұрын
@@petesheppard1709 Of course they will :)
@petesheppard1709
2 жыл бұрын
@@scratchy996 😄
We used the JLTV in Afghanistan in 11-12. It was a decent platform there, the AC was fantastic which is good, however their ability to move across sideslopes when we had them in Germany a few years later was suboptimal.
@tylerclayton6081
2 жыл бұрын
It’s probably by far the best light vehicle especially with its modularity and high level of protection and much greater passenger comfort than the Humvee
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
You likely had the MATV. JLTV wasn't fielded until 2019. They look the same, but MATV is about 25% larger.
I appreciate your content Matt. Good man, salt of the earth, backbone of England….or maple syrup of Canada now??
It's basically, a better HUMVEE, if course it is very useful.
I too own a defender! Awesome and fun car!
What is its STANAG protection level? I haven't found any sources talking about it, and it's kinda useful when you wanna compare it to other similar vehicles.
@swaghauler8334
2 жыл бұрын
STANAG means Nato Standard.
@olekzajac5948
2 жыл бұрын
@@swaghauler8334 I know, it means STANdarisation AGreement to be precise (if I recall). And I meant the STANAG 4569 norm here, which describes protection levels for light vehicles.
@cumgoat
2 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but I feel like I remember both the MAT-V and MRAP having ~ 1/2" of armor about all around. (Probably more on the bottom v hull, I never looked). I remember asking if a dshka could shoot through our MRAP and nobody knew. I don't think it would have stopped it
But I got to say. Its seems like it has an incredible amount of body roll
The JLTV is really a light armored vehicle. It was designed as such, and because of this doesn't have the problems the armored version of HMMWV does. The question is, what percentage of the US military's light vehicles need this level of armor protection? For ones that down the HMMWV is fine, and much cheaper.
@stupidburp
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the goal should be to have 100% of military vehicles with at least minimal protection. In modern warfare there is no safe zone behind static battle lines. Attacks can happen anywhere.
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
The only ones that need armor protection are the ones that will get hit by a mine, IED, or small arms fire. If anyone knows which ones those are - please sound off.
Arma reforger needs a JLTV mod ASAP
My issue is it seems the JLTV's computer systems are not "grunt proof." The start up and shut down process for these vehicles do not seem to be designed for the lowest common denominator in high stress situations.
@reggiehammer4343
2 жыл бұрын
Just flip the combat override switch
I think the JLTV is a game changer. With tanks and attack helicopters being unreliable from new missiles and drones. I think this vehicle will be the new tactical standard for ground based warfare. considering there are multiple weapons packages compatible with the vehicle. Some of them are anti-tank and anti-drone, but the main thing is if one gets hit it’s much more economical than other vehicles.
At some point could you review all the variants and weapon systems of the JLTV?
You need to do a video on the German Wiesel replacement, that’s an awesome piece of kit.
@heybabycometobutthead
2 жыл бұрын
What's it called
@davebona9592
Жыл бұрын
@@heybabycometobutthead LuWa
@heybabycometobutthead
Жыл бұрын
@@davebona9592 Thanks, I actually found it after I left that comment, it looks pretty cool.
ought to be a software override red switch,, covered marked emergency override,manual everything
@reggiehammer4343
2 жыл бұрын
A manual is built into the dsdu. And it has a combat override system.
I'm a mechanic in the army and this truck is difficult to work on but it's fun to drive tha.ks to the tak4i suspension
The humvee was supposed to be a second line truck to replace the cucv chevy truck it was never meant to be a front line fighter so anything would work better since this is true armour and not a logistical vehicle like the 1 1/4 k35 chevy followed by the humvee we took a second line truck and added machine or tows and used them on the front line on suprised it worked as well as it did also fuel wise the 6.2 that was in military chevy k35 and blazer k5 was excellent on fuel I had a k30 with the 6.2 and it got 20 mpg top speed sucked at 70mph but then you put the 6.2 in a heavier rig and then the later 6.5 Detroit diesel made it under powered and used more fuel I believe this new ride has the 6.6 durmax is a strong engine even though I wonder why they didn't use a simpler design like 5.9 Cummins or 6.7 Cummins with close to the hp and I'm not knocking gm I love the gm trucks and engines but Going through diesel school the 6bt Cummins was so much easier to work on but I guess they got a good deal from gm but just alot more computers between turbo and injector that could cause headaches and I know the 6.7 was electronic controlled but you could get the 5.9 12v full mechanical and having friends with diesel pulling trucks you can make a ton of power some trade offs of survivability but instead of 800 hp pulling engine they could of split the difference at 400ish and not have the worries of computers and coming from someone that has worked on the dmax and Cummins the inline 6 is extremely easy to work on but like I said I love the durmax but ease of pmi and mantaince I'd take an inline 6 Cummins anyday over a v8 duramax but still a mean engine for this new support vehicle sorry to be so winded
@sovereign126
Жыл бұрын
Yes and no. Look at the size of the engine bay.
I still love that one tiktok video of a guy jumping a JLTV off a sand dune
Quite the beast of a vehicle. When i first seen it i thought it would be more armored but slower and less agile than the HumVee.
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
It will run CIRCLES around any HMMWV, on or off road.
If anything, it will eat the Humvee for lunch. The JLTV looks so badass.
Is this the vehicle that has liquid cooled vest for the occupants? It seems I remember all 4 crew to be able to plugin for individual cooling/heating?
Seems like a scaled-down MATV. A vehicle which l absolutely *adored* in Afghanistan. I have high hopes.
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
Same company makes both.
I wonder if you could do an episode on the differences between the JLTV and MATV? Both look mean and I am glad the military finally replaced the Humvees after all the issues we had overseas for years. I hope they incorporate some kind of recon/loitering drone to the vehicles as they could help with recon and maybe real time data link it to blue force trackers. Not sure if that is possible yet but I heard they are working on such capabilities were everyone is getting the same picture from all friendly sources.
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
JLTV has soft soil mobility the MATV could only dream of. And, has 10Kw Onboard & 10Kw Exportable power, Victory compliant for ease of various electronics, and is 10X as reliable as any HMMWV. MATV Job 1 was PROTECTION. JLTV has it all, or nearly all.
Our US Special Forces warfighters have LOVED the JLTV and say there’s NO comparison to the uparmored HUMVEEs
@Buck123four
Жыл бұрын
The SF folks have much HIGHER GT scores than the rest of the Army...and much more maturity. That comes in handy all around, as compared to a bunch of 26 year old PV2s who beat around for years before enlisting, and suddenly become Automotive Engineers - in their minds.
When the military came to Montana to fight forest fires, our Chevy 1 tons loaded down with fuel and tools could go more places than the humvee's. They were to wide and couldn't maneuver through the narrow mountain roads we worked in for decades..
@SonsOfLorgar
2 жыл бұрын
Which is also why none of the European NATO countries uses Humvees if they had a choise, they are just too wide and bulky for European roads and woodlands, especially the kind very common in rolling hills and ridged rural areas where farmers build field enclosures with the granite rocks they clear out of their fields, and when a significant number of those fields has been farmed since before Leif Eriksson found his way to Newfoundland, those field enclosures are thick, tall and won't care about any vehicle lighter than an MBT...
@OntarioBearHunter
2 жыл бұрын
chevy 3500 single cab single rear wheel... wheelbase 134 inches overall length 224 width 80 inches Hummer wb 130 inches overall length 180 width 85 inches yup Hummer is HUGGE... any other stories?
I need this for the potholes in my country. 🤕🇹🇹
Hi, I see Canada is retiring the LAV III and is moving to the LAV VI. could you update us on the differences, and WTF happened to LAV 4&5!
Hmmm.... Put a boat-like lower hull on them and water jet? Now you have a fast lander for the USMC that can haul a fire team ashore and start suppressing fire . A few with switchblade drone modules could also be tasked with anti armor and artillery suppresion? Maybe have a deep scxout version with coffin hotel like crew support and put a remote turret and Switchblade module? The remote turret able to mount and M2 and a full spectrum sensor suite with laser marker?
Had an MATV on its side half full of water in a canal for nearly 24 hrs before we got it out. Damned if it didn’t start right up and drive under its own power back to the COP.
America: Check out our new 'LIGHT' vehicle platform!! Rest of the World: 😑
13F here... STEEL REIGN!!!!
Cheers Matsimus
Been watching a few armored Humvs videos in Ukraine and they did pretty well, some got damaged but they did supply some good troop support. Bigger vehicles may not be able to preform on the small muddy roads .
Can you do a video on the differences between the M777A2 and the M777DGMS?
LOL...Air Conditioning!!! You'll never kick the grunts in the back out !!! :) Best Regards and Best Wishes!
It looks cool, it is an armored up Low rider. THanks for a great video Mat, take care!!
I want one!!
It's an Improvement over the Fiberglass of the Humvee. A lot better Protection.
I’m have noticed that “light” vehicles have become heavier in the last few decades. Are there missions that require a true light vehicle? Are these roles now the domain of off-the-shelf vehicles such a Toyota pickup “technical” trucks?
@JamesPhieffer
Жыл бұрын
Light, basically unarmoured vehicles like the HMMWV and such proved to be too vulnerable in conditions where mines and IEDs are a threat. So either you meet this with improved vehicles that provide ballistic protection (and are mechanically durable enough to carry it), or you put your personnel at risk. And it's easier and cheaper to upgrade to things like the JLTV than it is to deal with the added casualties that would result from going with a lighter, cheaper vehicle.
The JLTV is very similar to the Russian Tigr. You see a lot of destroyed or abandoned Tigrs in the Ukraine war.
what is your channel intro music, i’ve been wondering for the longest time
What happened to all of those Canuck VW ilitis? Why not the Panhard lav?
What is that tan pole attached to the right front bumper? It was upright, and lower in some of the video, some kind of sensor?🤔
If it is anything like the MATV, sign me the fuck up. Loved that thing despite it's small comfort and situational awareness flaws.
@Buck123four
2 жыл бұрын
Has capabilities the MATV never had...
@corpsmitty
2 жыл бұрын
@@Buck123four I saw that, I envy the guys that get to drive that thing around! Not the mechanics though haha