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A frequent question has been popping up in our comments: do VC and Ponzi Schemes look the same? Reflecting on this question ourselves, we started an investigation to shed light on the matter. Our findings are… interesting!
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Sources:
Steve Blank (Startup Owners Manual) and John Rampton (Forbes) at Startup Grind Global 2016: • Steve Blank (Startup O...
The meeting that showed me the truth about VCs: techcrunch.com/2017/06/01/the...
20 VCs Capture 95% Of VC Profits: Implications For Entrepreneurs & Venture Ecosystems: www.forbes.com/sites/dileepra...
Demystifying Venture Capital Economics, Part 1: www.wealthfront.com/blog/vent...
Forbes: www.forbes.com/sites/dileepra...
One of Silicon Valley’s most outspoken investors slams the ‘bizarre Ponzi balloon’ of the start-up economy: www.cnbc.com/2018/10/31/palih...
Pitch Book: pitchbook.com/news/articles/p...
Business Standard: web.archive.org/web/2023030218...
Venture Capital Isn’t Good For Us…: / venture-capital-isnt-g...
Theranos and other biggest startup frauds of the 21st century that shocked the world: www.lifestyleasia.com/ind/mon...

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  • @CamJames
    @CamJames10 ай бұрын

    Former founder who raised $1.5M here - being on the other side of the table from VCs (after successfully raising money from them) is an experience everyone wants but few get to experience. I'm here to tell you that running a business is not for everyone, it's much harder than the jobs i loved/hated before that. Generating new business and early clients, hiring/firing people, fighting with co-founders over strategy...i don't want to have to do any of that ever again. I love my simple WFH 9-5 now.

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    Word.

  • @Galopo

    @Galopo

    10 ай бұрын

    Now imagine doing all that without VC money... thats how we roll in latin america.

  • @CamJames

    @CamJames

    10 ай бұрын

    hats off to y'all!@@Galopo

  • @tam12025

    @tam12025

    10 ай бұрын

    You mean the pressure of dealing the venture 24/7? Everyone is on you? The client, supplier, your team, and the fuxking competitiors? Oh the vendors hence the logistics guy might messed up and you need to figuring out where to replenish your stocks for your vendor… then the banks and the tax office sniffing your books. I have been a cofounder and that's what I had to deal with. But hey, it was a experience, it was hard AF, but it does shows who is ultimately your reliable friends and partners.

  • @afrosymphony8207

    @afrosymphony8207

    10 ай бұрын

    nnnd in africa lool we're all in this together hehe@@Galopo

  • @r3z0lv
    @r3z0lv10 ай бұрын

    If this didn't piss you off hard enough - that money isn't free - those are your pension contributions, your company's capital investments, your margin seeking capital if you went for a higher yielding solution. Those funds that can go puff are not rich people's money, they are your money that our system deemed wise to be given to "experts" in evaluating risk.

  • @1x0x

    @1x0x

    10 ай бұрын

    speak for yourself.. thats not my money

  • @allenleexyz
    @allenleexyz10 ай бұрын

    Having worked at a VC-backed startup, a top tech media company as a managing editor, and having founded a few companies, I have had the opportunity to interact with numerous venture capitalists (VCs). Very few of them are genuinely passionate about taking a long-term perspective and being aligned with the startup's vision and values, the majority of VCs are driven by hype and market trends, leading them to overgeneralize and make inaccurate predictions. So startup founders should avoid blindly listening to VCs' predictions and market analyses, which may be short-sighted. Instead, you need to stay focused on building a strong, long-term business with a solid value proposition and sustainable model. If you need VC $, you should seek out VC partners who are truly aligned with your long-term vision and values, rather than those just chasing the latest trends. Building sustainable businesses requires patience and persistence, not reacting to every shift in investor sentiment. You will need backers who support their multi-year vision, not quarterly projections.

  • @ismynamemoyo6743
    @ismynamemoyo674310 ай бұрын

    This is giving the vibe of OG slidebean videos, more please❤

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    🫶🏼 thanks for being an OG subscriber - Caya

  • @grant_vine
    @grant_vine10 ай бұрын

    Would be interested in an analysis of the Uber turnaround and the economic impact of their exit in specific regions, for example the remaining operators and how they are affected (increase or decrease in use/growth in that region) - basically “do people use Uber because it’s Uber, or because they just need a ride?”

  • @gaboronem8615

    @gaboronem8615

    10 ай бұрын

    I second this

  • @ghrayo

    @ghrayo

    10 ай бұрын

    They just need a ride, all this companys are basically a commodity, if uber is gone there another one to use. Because they don't hire drivers they can drive whatever app is on demand, I don't see what value has uber over the others

  • @allamasadi7970

    @allamasadi7970

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@ghrayoalso there could be a situation where friends give lifts to each other like an underground taxi service, people won't mind giving cheap lifts to friends as they are basically getting paid to socialise and meet friends

  • @arttig.3377

    @arttig.3377

    10 ай бұрын

    In my country we have Uber and Bolt EU. I have both apps and use the one which gives a better price. If the price is the same I just estimate briefly the number of drivers nearby. At some point I used only Bolt, however lately Uber gave me some promos so I used it more often. Do I have any "Brand loyalty"? No, lol the service is the same and majority of drivers use both apps anyway.

  • @oberstoffer

    @oberstoffer

    10 ай бұрын

    the youtube channel "modern MBA" made a video "Why Uber Fails to Disrupt Transportation". this really good

  • @hbsemt
    @hbsemt10 ай бұрын

    You should do a video about the Blitzscaling strategy

  • @griselangel
    @griselangel10 ай бұрын

    Wait , so how are banks not a pyramid scheme ? 🧐 because if we all pull our money , they fall apart too

  • @CamJames

    @CamJames

    10 ай бұрын

    they provide a lot of tangible services in addition to handling our money. they also aren't structured like a typical consumer-facing business so the comparison is invalid.

  • @alex0589

    @alex0589

    10 ай бұрын

    I dont have a bunch of bank products gathering dust in my garage lol

  • @kittananj
    @kittananj10 ай бұрын

    As a person who looks to a ton of startup news, I found that valuation is meaningless (if the firms are not in exit state). If I start a startup, I will not think about valuation. Instead, I will just focus on profitability and cash flows of the company and try to ensure that the investors will get back their investments in full amount. It is challenging, but I think it is the best way to maintain trust with investors and VCs.

  • @1x0x

    @1x0x

    10 ай бұрын

    might as well just bootstrap it yourself and not worry about outside investors

  • @kittananj

    @kittananj

    10 ай бұрын

    @@1x0x exactly. For me, bootstrap is a great way to test the market and see if it works out or not. Based on my experience, I tested my idea in one competition, and it was working (and, actually, I am working on it to launch as a bootstrap service that is scalable in the future). For me, I don't want to rely on the investors' fund to make it happen since I consider it as debt, not fundings (others may think otherwise, but I digress). So, yes, I completely agree with you.

  • @irene.9278

    @irene.9278

    10 ай бұрын

    Who knew old school things like profitability, cash flow and trust are still relevant after all.

  • @xxxKINGJulien
    @xxxKINGJulien10 ай бұрын

    Finally a solid video for this topic , now that every time someone says "Startup Funding is a Ponzi Scheme" instead of arguing I will just refer them to this video 😂

  • @slidebean
    @slidebean10 ай бұрын

    Venture Capital is a gamble- check out our extended video about the economics ► kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJ5nz6uynsvQmbQ.html If you are going the (real) revenue route, you should be using ChartMogul to track your subscription ► yt.slidebean.com/wti

  • @YannickMotton
    @YannickMotton10 ай бұрын

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤖 Venture capital and Ponzi schemes are being compared due to similarities in funding dynamics and risk perception. 01:42 🛡️ Most VC funds lose money, with only a small percentage actually making substantial profits for investors. 07:38 💼 Venture capital structures vary; some focus on genuine long-term investments, while others prioritize short-term gains for fund managers. 10:59 🏆 Startups initially appear unsustainable due to aggressive spending, but those that succeed can become profitable businesses, making earlier investments worthwhile. 16:16 🚀 Speculation and investor sentiment often play a significant role in valuations of both startups and publicly traded companies. Made with HARPA AI

  • @nunyabidness6820

    @nunyabidness6820

    10 ай бұрын

    HARPA AI?

  • @lancesamaria8130
    @lancesamaria813010 ай бұрын

    Great Video!!! I thought it was going to end with vcs pump up a company with no revenue until it goes public. After that the vcs get paid and the public market has to deal with what’s left. Still a great video 😊

  • @cristobaljavier
    @cristobaljavier10 ай бұрын

    Great video, probably the best on the topic. Amazing job!

  • @JeremyPickett
    @JeremyPickett10 ай бұрын

    Ive been in startups for twenty years, and looks like thats the next twenty years as well :) The part i still cant wrap my head around are multiple rounds, and who the hell decides both dilution and seniorage. Its likely that while im pretty darn senior, i am not veep or C level. And my mind truly starts trippin' when i hear points, percentages, and shares in the same sentence without knowing about existing sheets pbligations and side deals (oh yes, side deals, they happen)

  • @vighnesha7529
    @vighnesha752910 ай бұрын

    Awesome video brother ♥️, just subscribed. Keep give your best, more power to you🔥🙌

  • @henryonyango6431
    @henryonyango643110 ай бұрын

    Love the videos...awesome discussion

  • @emmanuelben1393
    @emmanuelben139310 ай бұрын

    Caya I always love your videos, Let me suggest a topic for another video, please. Can You talk about how it's hard for diverse founders to raise funds in the US, and also how startups's valuation outside the US especially in Africa are always little compared to the kind of value they are providing.

  • @the_correct_ian

    @the_correct_ian

    10 ай бұрын

    That wouldn't be a logical video to make due to the meteoric rise of DEI funds since 2020 -- there's lots of opportunities out there for minority founders! Think of the investment process like interviewing for jobs: you'll need to get a lot of irons in the fire to yield a successful raise (Unless you come from money, then it's a good bit easier)

  • @franchocou
    @franchocou10 ай бұрын

    Atleast in MLM you got a product, meanwhile in share is just "floating money"

  • @alpaykasal2902
    @alpaykasal290210 ай бұрын

    I'm 2min in and I already love this. The hottest of the hot takes.

  • @grant_vine
    @grant_vine10 ай бұрын

    This was awesome, literally the first 90 seconds had me laughing so much lol

  • @d3layd
    @d3layd10 ай бұрын

    LFG! What a great topic

  • @eduardobatasuna8398
    @eduardobatasuna839810 ай бұрын

    Great vid, Bro! :D

  • @thelasttellurian
    @thelasttellurian10 ай бұрын

    Wow, I didn't see that conclusion coming

  • @waltersabino9891
    @waltersabino989110 ай бұрын

    Thank you for another excellent video

  • @TheSushiandme
    @TheSushiandme10 ай бұрын

    They do that a lot in San Diego with Pharmaceuticals.

  • @321ecommercedotnet3
    @321ecommercedotnet310 ай бұрын

    Great topic

  • @PhilippBlum
    @PhilippBlum10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for doing it. It's a nuanced topic, but it's also a huge issue for the economy. See svb.

  • @tylerhackner9731
    @tylerhackner973110 ай бұрын

    Interesting topic

  • @tompuijpeNL
    @tompuijpeNL10 ай бұрын

    6:39 Hold on. At Series A investors tend to expect revenue. The further the start-up goes in the funding proces, the more investors expect paying customers.

  • @Myanmartiger921

    @Myanmartiger921

    10 ай бұрын

    Not always i think

  • @wronggg

    @wronggg

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Myanmartiger921 Investors always expect monetization at some point, and the more the company grows over time, the more monetization better make its way towards becoming reality.

  • @CamJames

    @CamJames

    10 ай бұрын

    almost always@@Myanmartiger921

  • @joebazooks
    @joebazooks10 ай бұрын

    didnt uber just show their first profitable very recently??? -.-a

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    Literally a week after shooting the video.

  • @wronggg
    @wronggg10 ай бұрын

    Shouldn't Lifetime Value be strictly based upon Profit vs. CAC, not revenue vs. CAC? For example, if you do $100 in total revenue at 10% profit, you'll make $10. But if you spent $30 in CAC to make $10, you'd be at -$20. If you did revenue vs. CAC, you'd get a magical 3:1 ($100:$30) ratio, which would be misleading and flat out lying about the success of the business model.

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    In SaaS considering gross margins are close to 100%, then there isn’t a great difference between profit and revenue. In other business models a profit vs CAC would indeed be more fair.

  • @wronggg

    @wronggg

    10 ай бұрын

    @@slidebean Thank you

  • @TooManyBrackets
    @TooManyBrackets10 ай бұрын

    15:31 "Optimises its processes" probably means "burns all its people - to death"

  • @microMobilidade
    @microMobilidade10 ай бұрын

    Caya have you seen Radpower and Vanmoof? Are they the new Boosted Boards?

  • @MsGscoot
    @MsGscoot10 ай бұрын

    Can you do a video on Saudi Arabias project The Line / Neom? Seems like a very interesting project with a lot of news surrounding and would love to hear your perspective on the topic. Thanks!!

  • @Grizabeebles
    @Grizabeebles8 ай бұрын

    I'd be interested what you guys have to say about Corey Doctorow's principle of "enshitification of online platforms".

  • @daveb4446
    @daveb444610 ай бұрын

    A few days ago I was looking at the market cap stats for unicorns and out of around 900 unicorns only about 30 flatlined or dropped. So statistically, the vastly majority of unicorns do continue to gain value, and aren’t Ponzi schemes. The late stage investors do overwhelmingly make profits. The real issue is when companies lose value, index funds often end up holding the remains while everyone else has already dumped it. Because by law, index funds have a set composition and can’t sell stocks even if they know they’re failing. Therefore the index funds are almost always the last investors out. They can’t get out even if they wanted to, as long as those stocks are in their declared index, they have to hold them by law, regardless of the situation. And there is nothing Ponzi about that. It’s just a flaw of the system.

  • @peternystrom921
    @peternystrom92110 ай бұрын

    Sounds like a 100% scam, whats the skills and point of just throwing money on 100s of companies to find one who makes it? Every one can do that.

  • @yoverale
    @yoverale10 ай бұрын

    3:35 that sounds kind of similar to the banking system, right? It works until it doesn’t, bank-runs end it all 🤔

  • @ladygogogurl
    @ladygogogurl18 сағат бұрын

    What if a company is guaranteeing a specific amount of roi for early shareholders? And marketing to individuals instead of say experts

  • @TheSushiandme
    @TheSushiandme10 ай бұрын

    Yes

  • @KhalilMuhammad
    @KhalilMuhammad9 ай бұрын

    There’s a saying that goes: if the music changes, the dance should change too. I don’t see the point going back to the status quo. We must embrace the change.

  • @KaiSosceles
    @KaiSosceles10 ай бұрын

    "Ponzi schemes work as long as not everybody gets their money at the same time." *Looks deeply into the entire Fiat Banking systems eyes*

  • @darsandevs316

    @darsandevs316

    10 ай бұрын

    Except banks are backed by government

  • @davidkey4272
    @davidkey427210 ай бұрын

    Not the same thing but the incentives get warped around the paper valuation

  • @Tharoxxx
    @Tharoxxx10 ай бұрын

    Agree

  • @stevevitka7442
    @stevevitka744210 ай бұрын

    YES.

  • @alex0589
    @alex058910 ай бұрын

    You did NOT just splice in Russ Hanneman hahaha

  • @CoSelf
    @CoSelf9 ай бұрын

    Why did that conclusion feel so weak?

  • @999NINE99
    @999NINE9910 ай бұрын

    Many times it is.

  • @mfulan7548
    @mfulan754810 ай бұрын

    No sources on the description

  • @kasvith
    @kasvith10 ай бұрын

    Whats that movie with WeWork

  • @Millenniallabs
    @Millenniallabs10 ай бұрын

    He really used chamaths face 😂

  • @filmcentrl9976
    @filmcentrl997610 ай бұрын

    I have never clicked on a video this fast before.

  • @Galopo
    @Galopo10 ай бұрын

    a bit apologetic dont you think? sometimes its genuine, sometimes its a Ponzi Scheme.

  • @One.Zero.One101

    @One.Zero.One101

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah there's no doubt some startups are legit but that doesn't mean everyone else is as honest as they are, in fact some have already been jailed for scamming people.

  • @DodoLP
    @DodoLP5 ай бұрын

    when you were explaining Ponzi scheme, you literally explained banks

  • @kimjw001
    @kimjw00110 ай бұрын

    "It works as long as not everybody wants out", sounds like insurance.

  • @One.Zero.One101
    @One.Zero.One10110 ай бұрын

    📌There's no doubt some startups are legit but that doesn't mean everyone else is as honest as they are, in fact some have already been jailed for scamming people.

  • @jautele49
    @jautele4910 ай бұрын

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @KingAQF
    @KingAQF10 ай бұрын

    Please give me a quick brief of how you make your thumbnails please

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    We try about a dozen title and thumbnail combos. Sometimes we run dark social media post to test them

  • @KingAQF

    @KingAQF

    10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the prompt reply, I am not sure what you mean by "dark social media post" could you elaborate? I'm very new to the industry. @@slidebean

  • @suryaprakashkannan5036
    @suryaprakashkannan503610 ай бұрын

    I am just putting this nagging thought out here, why is the financial system designed this way? I mean if speculation and bad valuations have been known to cause irreversible damage to the financial stability of the world economy, why does nobody do anything to change it? Is it because those who lost big don't intend to change the game until they win big? Like a game of poker ?

  • @RubiconVentures
    @RubiconVentures9 ай бұрын

    The moment you realize when some one has a machine to print money, you will understand the Dollar ponzi economics.

  • @thefocuschic3234
    @thefocuschic323410 ай бұрын

    Insta-scam 😂😂😂

  • @ihatejpmorgan
    @ihatejpmorgan10 ай бұрын

    15% is pretty good. Only 10% of all investors make money in the stock market. Only 5% of people make money on real estate and they are mostly brokers.

  • @jkostelac
    @jkostelac10 ай бұрын

    [citation needed] for the stats @ 1:45 ?

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    Here: techcrunch.com/2017/06/01/the-meeting-that-showed-me-the-truth-about-vcs/ - Caya

  • @jkostelac

    @jkostelac

    10 ай бұрын

    Much appreciated! Love your videos.@@slidebean

  • @stachowi
    @stachowi10 ай бұрын

    Honestly... what ISN'T a ponzi scheme... housing, stocks, social security.

  • @cnsmiles

    @cnsmiles

    Ай бұрын

    anything that produces a profit isn’t a ponzi scheme.

  • @mattao1
    @mattao110 ай бұрын

    was the question answered in the end? i rewatched and couldn't figure out if a conclusion was drawn.

  • @aprilmintacpineda2713
    @aprilmintacpineda271310 ай бұрын

    "Ponzi scheme works as long as not everybody gets the money at the same time" (BANKS)

  • @MessiahManiac
    @MessiahManiac10 ай бұрын

    Slidebean's gonna have a hard time raising their next round 😅

  • @slidebean

    @slidebean

    10 ай бұрын

    😅

  • @nat.serrano
    @nat.serrano10 ай бұрын

    don’t want the video. the answer is YES

  • @thatchinaboi1
    @thatchinaboi110 ай бұрын

    If you aren't rich and you are investing in a VC then it is probably a ponzi scheme. 😂

  • @mitwy
    @mitwy10 ай бұрын

    Ya banks are ponzi scheme 😅

  • @joaoparedes1431
    @joaoparedes143110 ай бұрын

    I love how startups reinvented “dumping”: pricing your products low enough to gain market, become monopolistic and then start generating profits with higher prices while the competition crumbles for not having cash to burn for that long. That is blitzcalling for you…

  • @Omarism
    @Omarism10 ай бұрын

    Not everything is for everyone! People who tried to ride the fame of being the entrepreneur and failed calls Venture Capital a Ponzi scheme. VCs takes money from Partners, invests that money in selected Startups with growth potential based on intuition comes with experience and assumptions and eventually, payback to partners with profits. Where it's Ponzi? They have money to play with and take high risks or do things lies in grey areas. What VCs care about is to make sure to invest in 10 startups out of 100 investments which are guaranteed to succeed, and wallah returns are out of the roof from those 10 only to keep for themselves as well as return to partner with profits. Simple Business, No?

  • @plusone.network
    @plusone.network10 ай бұрын

    Uber was reported profitable on Aug 1st

  • @VicDamoneJr82

    @VicDamoneJr82

    10 ай бұрын

    First time

  • @MogulSuccess
    @MogulSuccess10 ай бұрын

    Yes