Is My Fender a FAKE?
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How do you spot a fake Fender? How can you be sure the used guitar you just bought isn't a copy or parts-caster being passed off as the real thing? I share one of my experiences.
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It's a Mexican Standard. It was discontinued in 2018 and replaced by the Player, with a change in logo, the F neckplate, two screw tremolo and alnico pickups. If you got Pure Vintage pickups you got a good deal!
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I think so. This one was built in January of 2018. So it was some of the last to be made before the switch. That was April I think.
@bluwng
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar Steven is 100% correct.
@jonathanwilhelm4097
Ай бұрын
Dead on. It’s real. the vinyl special edition sticker on the back of the headstock is for the surf green metallic color. 59s are my favorite pickups. Excellent deal with the upgrades
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilhelm4097 Okay, I wondered what made it "Special" LOL
Those tuners are better and I prefer those pickups. Basically you got an upgraded Standard model.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
The pickups are great.
If strings are lines drawn on a piece of cardboard, this is a fake guitar.
@dspguitarrebuild5281
21 күн бұрын
But if the lines are drawn in Sharpie...it's for realz!
I had a 1993 Mexican that i learned on. I had to pawn it for $125 in 96 to pay bills. Man i miss that one, it was really nice
Interesting video Jayce! Nicely done. Looks like you actually got a "better deal" than initially thought.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Not as nice as a plus top though! 😉
@AJgeartalk
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar They're all nice!! 🙂
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
@@AJgeartalk Yes they are!
The black letter Fender logo was the easiest clue to spot immediately telling you it's an MIM Strat.
If it's worth anything, my 2004 Classic Series 50s has a blank neck plate. What strikes me as odd on yours is the combination of truss rod adjustment at the headstock, small headstock AND 21 frets. I'll be honest, that one's new to me as I've seen Strats with only two of those, not all three. I've always seen classic style Strats as 21 fret and more modern style ones with that 22nd fret. At least you were able to identify what yours is
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
There are some definite odd-balls out there. I think because this was early 2018, that was the year they went from Standard to Player. Maybe this was a way to use up old parts! LOL
Hey Jayce, loved this video and really enjoyed the previous one. As a novice player who once had the exact same feeling as you had with your Martin (mine was a £1500 Guild) I can very much relate :) Anyway, fast forward a few years and I am thinking of picking up a Fender - maybe MIM - and noticed a few videos talking about the noise a single coil makes when on 'standby' so to speak. Is that something you've wrestled with?
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Single coils can be noisy, especially if you have dirty electricity (yes, it's a thing!). Shield the pickup cavity, make sure your amp is connected to a properly grounded receptacle and also get a noise suppression pedal.
Hi Jayce, I don't currently play guitar. My question is, can a buyer check the serial number at a store or even if buying privately before completing the transaction?
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Fender (and pretty sure Gibson and Yamaha) all have serial number look up databases. Just Google Fender Serial Lookup or whatever brand you want. Then you enter the number and you will usually get a result that tells you the model and year.
I always call Fender because they have more info than you can look up online. I got a telly that was supposed to be a baritone and someone had replaced the neck with an affinity neck and they told me right away what color it was supposed to be what kind of make it was they knew everything about the Guitar and for me to find out, it was a fake.
@JayceAllanGuitar
24 күн бұрын
I thought about calling. I will eventually. I'd like to know the details on the guitar.
I bought a 2012 MIM Standard upgraded much like yours. However, I think maybe done before Fender sold the loaded pickguard as a kit. Mine was essentially upgraded with a Fat 50s pickguard aged and trem block, bone nut and vintage tuners. But seller gave me all the genuine fender parts cardboard packaging and invoices from shops that did all the work including the bone nut and setup. I bought the guitar for less than the loaded pickguard and bone nut invoices . It also happens to be my “thoughtless” first grab guitar, over any American or otherwise guitars. It rules.
Interesting journey! It seems with all the readily available upgrades for Fender's, it would be pretty hard to get the provenance for any of them. If it feels good and sounds good and is in the right price range for you? What the hey? 👍
You would have thought by now Fender would have incorporated some sort of tech on the model to authenticate the guitars!
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Right, like RFID or something, or at the very least a brand in the neck pocket like Warmouth and XGP.
Once I bought an "Yngwie Malmsteen" pre-wired pickguard. The box was legit and fully wrapped in plastic, and the picture on the instructions matched the pickguard. I spent $389 on the pickguard and thought I was super special. I loved the sound of the pickups and the great wiring job. Fast forward to when Sam Ash closed, and they were selling a MIM Player for a ridiculous $550. Normally it was $889, so I jumped on it. Plus, I happened to have a ton of parts for upgrades on hand. Anyway, I liked the Malmsteen pickguard and was going to toss the MIM pickguard and all the parts on it. So, I took it off to do so... The stock pickguard on the MIM was exactly the same as my $389 "Malmsteen" pickups, electronics, pots, everything. I'm talking the same part numbers, even the same handwriting on the pickups. What are the chances? It looked like literally the same guy did both pickguards. Even the SKU on the pickguard was the same. My $389 "Malmsteen" pre-wired pickguard upgrade was nothing but a standard stock pickguard they throw in a standard MIM Player... Wow, did I munch a sandwich of marketing bullshit on that one. But I had to admit, I loved the pickups and the way they sounded when I thought they were expensive. Totally caught myself being a price dick. In reality, I love the MIM standard pickups. Who'd have known? Funny thing, if you buy the next guitar up, the base "American Pro," I kid you not, it's actually got worse parts for twice the cash, haha. Marketing bullshit. Oh well... admitted.. I was fooled.
@jasondorsey7110
Ай бұрын
American Performer is the base usa level, not American Professional...but your point stands...the yosemite pickups and greasebucket tone control don't really do it for me, and I like the finishes for the player series better too...the coolest colors have a satin finish instead of gloss, which I can't recall anyone clamoring for
@petersouthwell5971
Ай бұрын
@@jasondorsey7110 Thanks for correcting me.
@jasondorsey7110
Ай бұрын
@@petersouthwell5971 They got me too, spent a thousand bucks for a bass I'm now saving to replace the electronics in
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I bet lots of parts from the MIM are the same as the American. They make guitars of all price ranges because they know people will pay for them.
@Leo_ofRedKeep
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar To the ignorant, price is a reassuring feature. That's how it works.
It came from an alternate universe.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
That makes sense because sometimes I feel like I'm from one too!
One of my favourite mim squier series strats was a great guitar. There has been all different additions by fender over the years. I wouldn't get too hung up on wether it's a parts caster anyway, if it's all genuine parts then it's a genuine fender, the strat parts were designed by leo in a way to be able to swap out parts, genius for the time really. Do a bit of digging into the history of David gilmores black strat and you'll learn it's been moded so much it too is a partscaster, it's just worth a lot because of who owns and plays it. Now fender only put made in corona california on the headstock due to the state laws specifying that if its not fully made in one place then it cant be clased as made in USA
You got a Hot Rod , why complain , all the hard work has been done ... Enjoy it ...
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Who's complaining?
You got a deal, actually. That is real in a nice seafoam green, and upgraded hardware.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I think it's a keeper...for a while anyway! 🤪
PLAYER SERIES SPECIAL RUN WITH UPGRADED BLOCK AND IT CAME WITH FENDER PLAYER SERIES ALNICO PICKUPS BUT YOURS ARE UPGRADED AS WELL AND SOME COME WITH A F STAMPED BACK PLATE SOME DO NOT. IF IT IS A RE ISSUE IT WILL NOT HAVE THE F IF IT IS PERIOD CORRECT. FENDER PING STYLE TUNERS. AWESOME FIND
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Thank you.
Score! What a nice guitar.
@hotcakesman
Ай бұрын
my local shop sells Chibson for 600, they label them as Replicas. It honestly makes my skin crawl and makes me not want to do business with them.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Yikes.
Is it ‘new’ or ‘used’? If it’s used you expect someone may upgrade the trem block for sustain. Pretty nice guitar.
@JayceAllanGuitar
21 күн бұрын
Used. Someone upgraded the trem block, put a new loaded pick guard in and changed the tuning buttons.
I got my MIJ for a good deal on reverb, it's a Final Fantasy 14 guitar. I'd be worried it was a fake if it wasn't way too unique 😆. I don't think anyone would take the time to fake one of those with the resin and the inlay.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Interesting.
i looked up 2 sqiers this week on that fender page got no result. got results on both few years before they changed the page.Mn1997 squier and a gold 2001 affiniy
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
There used to be a lookup site based in the Netherlands that showed data for all guitar brands and one day it just shut down.
I think that searching for "2018 Mexican special edition Strat" would be the way to nail down the model quick. As you said, there's no other indicator as to the model on the guitar itself and so people will naturally use that in listings and searches, whether they themselves are trying to identify one or simply trying to sell it for the best possible price. Also, as soon as I saw the brass trem block my first thought was that it had been modified/upgraded so that would set my spidey senses tingling and searching out other stuff like pickups etc. If someone's doing that to an MX Strat then probably they're going to throw in a set of U.S.A pickups too. Nice that it's seemingly got a Pure Vintage set as well. Another thing, I think that marking on the sticker under the scratchplate is a 7 with a cross-bar, rather than an F Congrats, reckon you got a good deal here
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I wonder what the 7 with cross bar means? Maybe a Google image search is in order.
@danmc_2783
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar I'd say probably an employee sign off or maybe a paint code would be most likely but that's just guessing
It is a FSR Surf Pearl.
Like the time I bought this 90s Squier Telecaster for $150 on Reverb and it showed up with DiMarzio Twang King pickups in it.. Buddy, you got hooked up! \,,/,(>
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Every once in a while I get a good deal.
In the video you say this isn't a partscaster. It is. Just because the body and neck came from the same guitar, doesn't mean this isn't a partscaster. It definitely is. But being this is an mx strat, it doesn't hurt the value. But if this was a mij or American, it would.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Fair enough.
I thought Mexican Fenders had the old type headatock spaghetti lettering in gold, not the heavy black like this one.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
This logo was on the MIM Standards until 2018. Not sure when they started though.
@jodybriggs1075
4 күн бұрын
They change them up every 10-15 years. The MIM standards in the late 90s/ early 2000s had a grey logo. The strat in the video's logo is from the 2010s and teens and for the last few years they've had to gold spaghetti logos. The new ones just look like US standards, an odd choice on Fender's part if they want anyone to shell out another 800 for the the US made version
Well I will throw my personal opinion in here, if the guitar feels and sounds good to you, then cool, no amount of badging is going to replace sound, and feel. If you want an example from the late 70 and 80s , Eddie Van Halen, it was not a fender neck not a fender body, the electrical parts might have had a fender part here or there but, in all honesty and in his own words it was not a fender, it truly was a strat like parts caster, and yes we are talking about Frankenstein or some know it as the frankenstrat. He put something together that in his words was probably a mistake but turned out to be what he wanted, so no logos mean little to a player but sound and feel are king. A personal short example, I put a 94$ guitar pick ups in my 120 dollar strat like axe, just because I liked how the cheaper pickups sounded after all the upgrades and modding I have a sweet sounding axe for much less than a USA fender and a lot of Mexican fenders. Name matters not, feel and sound again are king.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Well said.
My MIM strat is worthless. It's a 2000 model. I've modded it with Fender alnico pickups, PIO capacitors, bridge pickup on tone pot, Callaham trem block, stainless steel saddles, 5 trem springs, aluminum shielding and an aftermarket roasted maple neck with the original tuners. I wore the frets out on the stock neck. I'll never get the money back I spent on it, but I don't need another anyway.😊
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Sounds to me it's worth something to YOU! ;-)
@marcavus1
Ай бұрын
Get another neck or a refret.
@Fotosaurus56
Ай бұрын
@marcavus1 Oh yeah, I just wanted a quick fix. I only paid $250 for the Strat, some kid decided he would rather play bass 24 years ago, and put an ad in the paper. With all the mods, no one would buy it, but it's not for sale anyway.😃
🤫Do you like it dose it play well sound good , feel comfortable . If you can answer yes to all…worries over now get on and enjoy !!
Nice Guitar!
@JayceAllanGuitar
24 күн бұрын
Thank you!
This is why, if you are buying a guitar to play, you should always be more concerned about how it plays and not what the logo on the end says nor whether anyone listening to you cares about that logo either, because unless they too are a guitar player, they almost certainly won't care about that. In the entire history of guitar making, there is no recorded case ever, of the logo and serial number on the end of a guitar affecting how it plays or what it sounds like and it's not at all uncommon for used guitars to have been modded. I don't think there is a single guitar in my entire collection which hasn't had something done to it, be it tuners, pick ups, nuts, bridges or whatever. Now of course it is nice to have things which are 'genuine', and if you buy something sold as genuine which turns out to not what it was sold as, then that's something you can take up with the seller, who may or may not themselves have been similarly duped or unaware of some later mods it may have had. But even after all that can be brought to a satisfactory conclusion, if it plays okay and you like it, really it's not a problem. I never worry about what such things will do for 'resale value' either, because there are better things to invest in if that's a concern. The best-sounding and best-playing acoustic guitar I have, is a cheap ass Silvertone Dark Star; it blows my other more expensive acoustic guitars out of the water and I knew that when I tried it in the shop, so I did not care what logo was on the end of it, I cared that it sounded and played great and would be even better when I did a bit of tweaking and some decent hardware on it. The same is true of a lot of electric guitars I have.
it's most certainly all UPGRADES from the stock stuff, you're lucky
That Fender logo looks like a '70's reissue. An unmarked neck plate is not good, brass tremolo block is not a standard feature either. If you take the neck off, there might be some markings or indications.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Lots of initials written on the neck. The date of manufacture stamped with stamp that has date in Spanish. Seems legit. I'm guessing the trem block was a mod.
@Earthshaker1965
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar Definitely a mod in the right direction.😁 It's a beautiful Strat.
@nitewulf2020
Ай бұрын
The pre player series had a CBS style logo, and blank neck plates. The fender site has a serial number lookup that will give you all the details, right down to the colour. Looks legit to me.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Tried that, the serial wasn't found.
I still go for the sound of that american strat, its way different than mexico strat
@HaraldMix-E-Gitarren-Review
Ай бұрын
lol
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
😅😂🤣
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Well obviously VenturaVlogger...the Mexican strat speaks Spanish!
M04 barcode on body= 2004? Also, could be 7 not an F sticker in CNC hole. Very nice guitar.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Not sure. Could be.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a second hand Fender or Gibson, too many fakes around. I'd rather buy the fake from new and know I have a fake. You can always upgrade to genuine hardware if you like.
I wouldn't worry about it being a "fake" if there's no US serial on it.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I'd say any Fender made after 1965 is fake.
It a Fender , dont worry about it 😊 The last person who had it did not get their money out of it , what makes you think youll get more.😮
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Who’s worried?
@michaelblaney4461
Ай бұрын
@@JayceAllanGuitar I think you got extras on that Strat ,looks like a good guitar.
All Stratocasters are partscasters, whether you pick the parts or pay Fender to do it for you.
There's nothing wrong with you're mexican standard
You're just trying to save face that you paid the same price for one you could've gotten new, and got ripped off lol.
@JayceAllanGuitar
29 күн бұрын
Wow, yeah, you got me figured out. Can't pull anything over on you.
Yes, probably got too much time on your hands.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I wish.
What a nerd... why would anyone try to fake a $600 mexican strat? I'd be more worried about a 3 or 4K "Custom Shop" that didn't have a COA maybe... but come on... what a nervous nellie.
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
I've been call a nerd from way better people than you. Take a number chief.
Who would bobber to fake a Mexican You're tutorial is extremely boring
@JayceAllanGuitar
Ай бұрын
Probably because it isn’t a tutorial.