hi there, yugioh player here. the structure decks are Reprints in DECKS. the Tin's are a 'greatest hits of X year!' full of reprints.

I think a lot of the Magic not selling like other games issue has to do with the product avalanche. I literally can't buy half the things they make. Cards are printed faster than content creators can make spoiler videos, it's insane. WotC has diluted their product pool so much, nothing actually matters. Every set is just another set, every fancy card frame is just another fancy card frame. If they made fewer products, and managed the specialness more carefully, then the sets would sell better.

@netherlim

9 ай бұрын

yeah that's it. They also severed the line between commander specific product and the rest. Most of the competitive playerbase is gone, people can't buy everything. Yugioh now reigns supreme and it won't change unless Hasbro lets Wotc go.

@hermodnitter3902

9 ай бұрын

...and because of this, all my money goes into ABU + ARN / AQ / LEG / DK. The only MTG worth collecting. And wotc will guaranteed reprint any card with value over 10 $, so no need to collect any newer cards at all.

@ajellis3914

9 ай бұрын

I mean it’s pretty simple, the margins are terrible for sealed product before the value goes out from under the products 1-2 months later. You can pay 150 for a product and watch it drop to 100 before shipping and fees factor in. Holding magic product it’s almost always a loss, why would you stock it 🤷‍♀️

@ethanglaeser9239

9 ай бұрын

@@willjackson5885 The difference is is in the performance of individual products, and in the cost of production. With fewer products that sell in larger volumes, your individual product numbers look much better, and the work it takes to design and create your products is less on average. You also have more invested return customers when they feel that the rate of product release is something they can reasonably track, instead of something they grow exhausted trying to catch up to.

@casucasueq4479

9 ай бұрын

I stopped into my LGS last week and tried to play a pickup commander game. Because of the flood of new sets and spin offs and secret lairs etc no one at the table knew the cards. How they were correctly played or how they all interacted. We took almost 2 hours to play 1 game, which mainly involved reading paragraphs of overly complicated power crept cards that half the table would then argue about what they did. What a waste of time.

In regard to Crim's comment about the guitar talisman being Green/Red Bard Class is Green/Red, as is Yisan, the Wandering Bard, which is green.

The great part of Displaced Dinosaurs is that it doesn't say non-token: all of my clues, foods, and treasures are suddenly 7/7 dinos 😊

@jamespatterson5644

9 ай бұрын

Bootlegger's stash. tap a land, make a 7/7 dinosaur

@thatepicwizardguy

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking "oh... great addition to a food deck"

@danielspencer4564

9 ай бұрын

Yupppp. Going right in my Jolene treasure deck

@seananderson6553

9 ай бұрын

Yea I was really surprised they were so low on this card when it makes every clue, food, blood, or treasure a 7/7 beater. Not to mention it makes The One Ring an indestructible Trex. But once Richard has an opinion Seth usually falls in line & Crim (or Tomer) is left to dissent.

@shadowfox513

9 ай бұрын

They probably just didn't realize that it could affect tokens. None of them mentioned tokens, only mana rocks and eggs/cheerios. An easy thing to overlook, since artifact tokens aren't generally affected by historic-matters cards

As much as I love the goldfish podcast... I think a future episode should be Goldfish crew and their pets. I love seeing Bear pacing around in the background of Seth's view and Thor getting comfy on Crim's bed. Pups rule!

45:00 I think something we aren't considering with Pokemon beating Magic right now is the importance of holiday shopping. I teach middle school, and I swear every kid in my class has a pokemon booster box on their Christmas list. Parents are buying Pokemon, and a lot of people can't afford $100 for a magic booster box.

So snuff out and sad robot, flavor wise are amazing. The twelfth doctor went to a planet that was a colony. The humans were missing and all you had were these robots that communicated in emoticons. The robots were supposed to make sure the humans were happy and everything went well. They could tell your emotions and when a human was sad they thought they had to kill them and use them as fertilizer to make everything continue to go well. The traditional "robots misunderstanding how to work with human emotions". I will say I don't think snuff out is the correct emoticon although I haven't seen the episode for awhile and don't remember for sure. It's my favorite sad robot ever but I'm a dr who fan so I get it.

@bryanleblanc5648

9 ай бұрын

Yep, the flavor (and art) is fine, they're supposed to look goofy so you don't suspect them initially as the culprit. Another way of describing that problem/mystery of the episode: "AI was tasked with ensuring all humans were happy... can't have unhappy humans if you have no humans!"

I think the sales thing is way too nuanced to know for sure, but my main thought is just that Disney, Pokémon, One Piece, and Yu-Gi-Oh are all beloved outside of card games. You’ve got children and adults alike cracking Pokémon packs simply because they like collecting the various Pokémon, enjoy the card art, or are simply nostalgic for the IP. Magic doesn’t really have that. Magic has been my favorite card game to play since trying it a few years ago, but in that time I’ve never bought even a single booster pack. At the same time I’ve opened Yu-Gi-Oh cards and Pokémon cards simply for the nostalgia and my childhood love of the shows and cards. There’s just too much casual appeal to things like Pokémon to be surprised that Magic loses to it in sales in my opinion.

Punk is Gruul Metal is Rakdos Folk is Selesnya Emo is Orzhov Classical is Azorius Jazz is WUBRG Alestorm is Grixis Saboton is Boros The Grateful Dead is Golgari Also, I agree strongly with Crim's assessment of Troll and Toad.

This just highlights the main problem with MtG, all pre-constructed decks and premium products are just not worth it compared to other TCGs.

@sirKonradical

9 ай бұрын

Don't most other TCGs like pokemon only have a few really expensive cards and the rest are dirt cheap?

@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS

9 ай бұрын

​@@sirKonradicalyes, because no reserve list In those tcgs as far as I'm aware, which is very little.

@sirKonradical

9 ай бұрын

@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS That should mean that magic as a whole, has more value right?

@sirKonradical

9 ай бұрын

@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I've only opened 1 box of pokemon, Didn't get near the expected value I paid for the box. I've opened dozens of boxes of magic and always at least get my money back in expected value of 2 to 10 dollar cards

@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS

9 ай бұрын

@@sirKonradical I'd agree with that statement. It's nice knowing (as I've done 2 times before) that I can sell magic the gathering cards(though at a 40% buy list price because that's what my nearby TCG store buys at) and get a good amount . I went on a Vegas trip last year and got 450 from selling shocks and fetches.

So Judge Academy was a worldwide judge program that ran into logistics issues when dealing with employment law and international red tape. So US and Canada now have Judge Foundry and Wizards hopes to have similar community built organizations for each country/region.

"This is kind of discouraging" - I think its actually ENCOURAGING. You all talked about how competition is good when it comes to vendors but when there is competition with magic its suddenly not good? Magic has been at the top for a long time, and the prices have just been steadily climbing - more competition is great for consumers and the TCG field as a whole. I'll never play Lorcana, but I appreciate it as a competitor to magic.

@eegles

9 ай бұрын

Most people want competition for what they buy, not what they sell. MTG Goldfish sells Magic info and entertainment, so they don't want competition against Magic as a game.

@TastySnackies

9 ай бұрын

It's discouraging to their business model, as they're MTGGoldfish, and not Pokegoldfish or YGOGoldfish. For us normal consumers, the expanding TCG market as MTG's popularity declines is great. We get to have our cake and eat it. For businesses that depend on WOTC's product to support them, they're in troubled waters. Vendors can survive, as they can adapt to different products to sell. Content creators however have to completely change their model, and either learn a new game that hopefully has enough of a fanbase to support them, or go away and do something else.

@W4llh4k

9 ай бұрын

​@@TastySnackiesCC can't also just jump the sharks, they need to follow the herd of their fanbase, and their close collaborators, to not arrive like fish in they dryland

Product Fatigue!? How'd you guys completely miss this in the discussion?

@JonReid01

9 ай бұрын

It is what it is at this point what else could they even say?

@shadowblaze740

9 ай бұрын

Cause it's not an issue. If you don't wanna buy all the product. Don't. Buy what you want. If its too much for you just skip a set

The scariest part of Everyone Lives! is that it does not exile itself so it can create miserable loop with recursion. Sounds great.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

You mean a white deck could actually win? Oh no! We can't have that...

@erysecret

9 ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 not at all the point of WikiED's comment

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

@@erysecret I'm aware, thought I made the sarcasm very obvious.

@xyPitFighter

9 ай бұрын

I would have liked it with dopple white as mana value. Like that all commanders with white in it can play it so easily...

I think Crim has a much better handle on the community of players across multiple tcgs. I see what he is saying every week at my store.

I was a card collector. At least one of all the commons & uncommons I could find in bulk boxes & ordered from CardKingdom. I have 7 binders (1 of each mono color, 1 for colorless, & one for multicolored) Once I heard about the Pinkertons being used to abuse content creators, I stopped. I still play daily on Arena (not using real money) & once a week I meet with a play group at the local beirgarten for physical tabletop. I own lots of product & even the fun variations (planeswalk, Archenemy, & explorers of Ixalan) but I no longer want to spend money on product to support WoTC. And once they start asking for a subscription to play Arena, I'll stop that too. But I do enjoy the videos MTGGoldfish puts out. Thanks for the Content!

I wonder how much of the sales ranking is due to magic box sales don't happen on TCG mostly anymore, but amazon. Is that the same for the other games as well?

Definitely would build Rograkh and Tana as a displaced dinosaurs deck. Making them 7/7s is the best thing I want to do with this card.

displaced dinosaurs plays like Richard said is good for artifact tokens, treasures, foods and clues

Maybe I missed it but did you talk about the holiday release of LotR? Is this drop lik buyable at LGSs? I am so confused with this drop...

Of note, Everybody Lives! fits nicely under an Isochron Scepter :3

@aminabutler

9 ай бұрын

Oops, of course I make this comment immediately before I get to the same point in the video where Seth says the same thing (in basically the exact same way)

Yeah I have never bought sealed product on TCGplayer, either LGS or Amazon when they have spicey deals. I got the Tales of Middle Earth gift bundles for $45 each. Sold all the one rings I got for $45 - a little bit in fee and shipping.

Displaced Dino looks good in my selesnia samwise gamgee deck.

That's the hit or miss with Universe Beyond it's either like a dream come true or "I dont care for transformers/lord of rings/etc." ....they got Fallout coming up and Assassins Creed and I'm REALLY looking forward to that. Would die for some Berserk manga cards

A guitar is absolutely Gruul, its rebelious, about emotion, and allows us to express our natural needs and insticts through music. Itd be weird if a guitar was anything other than Gruul.

@santaclauseking

9 ай бұрын

Rakdos would also be good. In terms of genre Gruul is rock and punk. Rakdos more like metal.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

@@santaclauseking I could see that, but the "goals" or ideas behind the black color identity don't really fit with music. It's all about ambition, cruelty, and domination. Things typically not associated with music(in a traditional sense). Also, nobody had a problem with green being the music color back when Elvish Bard or Yisin came out.

@santaclauseking

9 ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 You make a very good point. I stand corrected.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

@@santaclauseking I mean, wasn't trying to correct you, just stating my opinion. If you think Rakdos makes more sense, cool. Just thought it was odd this keeps getting brought up because of Bard class and nobody seems to remember most music related cards are green since the early days.

@sunstrid3r44

9 ай бұрын

​@@casteanpreswyn7528 dont forget black is about individualism, selfimprovement and other things! and ambition is very associated with music, almost every great musician urged to be the best/reach the top, black isnt about bad things and bad people! it is about people eager to do everything they can to reach their goals, be that goal protect someone, find a place for oneself, play at the greatest music festival or just plan the murder of the entire family of the guy who killed your dog, you know..

This is my first time collecting a set. And it's for 151. I was going to collect Eldraine story variants back in the day, but man. The price difference is wild. When your TCG is expensive, it targets a very, very narrow audience. And if those cards are staples that will get power crept, then why even buy at launch. With 151, I know that there's no chase cards that will break formats and drop like rocks down the road. And there's nostalgia. I get a damn booklet with the list of cards to checkmark off once completed. And I have a themed binder to put em in. Pokemon knows how to do it right. And I'm down to play it too. Magic...ouphe. Buddy. You content creators can keep making those brews. Cause there's no format I'm current hungry to play and "invest" in.

For singleplayer card games I've transitioned to Yugioh Edison format (it's a past standard from 2010). For multiplayer card games my friends and I have been playing Binding of Isaac 4 Souls

We should have a way to synchronize ourselves on the Crim Time Zone

An important distinction between Teferi's Protection and Everybody Lives!. Everybody Lives does not prevent damage it stops life totals from being changed, Commander Damage and Infect still get tracked then on the next Upkeep when you check state based actions the players that have lethal of either of those will still lose the game

Seth (on taling about displaced dinosaurs): "I dont know what green historic matter commander would want this" My man theres a whole new deck of them that would synergize with that. The precon that it comes in.

On judges: As I'm on the sidelines of the community, I've seen national judging communities just start their own judging associations. What this will mean in the future? I don't know, but here in Finland they are now going full steam on this.

15:50 Tomer Shenanigans!

The continuation of the Gruul bard archetype still frustrates me !!!! I feel you :(

There is a replacement judge organisation coming for North America, but currently they haven't got ideas for anything outside of north America as far as I'm aware

After watching people open up the up the Doctor Who Collector boxes, I'm considering buying a Collector box for $50 more instead of the playset of Commander Decks. Out of the Collector box, you can build your own style Doctor Who deck out of it. Just my thoughts and What I'm doing.

@W4llh4k

9 ай бұрын

I want my second market dinos for huatli tribal, amd nothing else

honestly in precon, ive seen most avaiable for about 60 and they seem like pretty solid decks, and in theory the value is there, although 50 of the cards are brand new. I think its true the art feels very non magicy, but also I bet if I had watched and enjoyed doctor who, I might really like it. Although the cards kind of make me debate watching some of it.

I see everybody lives as a fixed teferi's protection. You won't have those same play patterns where one person wraths and only 1 person has a board afterwards. It also only lasts 1 turn rather than a whole turn cycle. You can also still take lethal commander damage then die on the next upkeep. The upsides they tacked on to make it not be strictly worse are the one less mana and stopping "you win the game" cards. It feels slightly weird to hear both "board wipes make the game take to long" and "this card that stops board wipes makes the game take to long" though I do get that the use as a fog is relevant.

@anannoyedpanda

9 ай бұрын

Board wipes and control cards in general are cards that need to be limited in some capacity. Control as an archetype of deck should not be allowed to exist.

@seandun7083

9 ай бұрын

@@anannoyedpanda hard disagree with control not existing. Answers are very important and magic is a better game because of the existence of interaction.

We can now call Seth”The Fogfather”

Displaced Dinosaurs goes directly into Brenard

Displaced Dinosaurs doesn't turn the historic permanents that you already control into creatures, only any that come into play after it's on the battlefield. At 7 mana, you probably already have your mana rocks in play.

Reminder that Displaced Dinosaurs doesnt specify nontoken! Pop off with dockside or something

Everybody Lives + Isochron Sceptre damn!

Displaced dinosaurs goes in literally any food or clue or treasure deck. How did you guys miss that artifact tokens work with it lol

When are you all going to do a Fog tier list?

Yes. The gap is closing but it still is.

I agree with Crim, these are like the 40k decks in quality, and better in terms of mana base. The fandom of Dr. Who is pretty large worldwide so it should be at least as successful as the 40k decks.

@ammonaustin9081

9 ай бұрын

Let's pray this flops so wotc does less Universe Beyond stuff

@johnathanreynolds1108

9 ай бұрын

​@@ammonaustin9081nah, universes beyond can stay as long as I get the option for MTG universe versions so they aren't just mechanically unique cards

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

​@ammonaustin9081 the *only* problem with UB products is when they are mechanically unique, and these won't be. This isn't the Walking Dead SL we are talking about.

@ammonaustin9081

9 ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 UB is cancerous to the Magic IP as a whole. It's a sad gimmick to pull in Timmy's who're fans of a random IP rather than building real Magic Lore and appeal to its own IP. Also I dont wanna see goofy, out of place IPs in my fantasy game. Magic becoming the Super Smash Bros of TCG sounds awful

@elkristof86

9 ай бұрын

@@ammonaustin9081 you sound like a lot of fun....

Seth needs an ashens brown sofa commander deck

Troll and Toad have suffered from a shit reputation for a long time. They used to routinely cancel pre-order sales after a price spike post Pro Tour.

@DoubleOhSnake

9 ай бұрын

They earned that reputation. They "lost" my OG Zendikar preorder once people started opening the hidden treasures.

Displaced Dinosaurs goes into a Sam and Frodo food deck to kill people with dino nuggets

Dinosaurs combos with food commanders

displaced dinosaur easily goes into any deck with red for haste that makes a bunch of tokens. Kibu, Jolene, Svela, Ognis, or Vazi. also Crim is correct in terms of quality these decks match the 40k and LOTR decks. it really boils down to, do you like the IP or are you ok with powerful cards having none-magic art. if you're a purist like Richard then you don't get another farewell

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget, all the new cards will eventually be reprinted in a main set, so you'll eventually get them in mtg art too.

Crim comparing the grimdark to doctor who is absolute heresy

I think that most people buy singles from tcgplayer rather than sealed product

TELL ME; is the sky falling!? 🙈😂

I don't really get why Everybody Lives prompts a discussion about game length. outside of cEDH, the number one thing that extends game time is wraths, and this stops a lot of wraths.

Delete seems niche. It has a place in Hinata for sure.

13th and 5th doctor in the 99 of a derevi deck =

I'm collecting all the Enchanting Tales (non-anime), Already added a set of the beautiful full art lands (foil and non) to my lands collection. As for the other cards, meh. Print em in the Classic Frame and Ill collect em.

bards class is gruul tho so a guitar works

If we're talking popularity and sales,I think yugioh surpassed it about 10 years or more ago as the biggest tcg but not sure if they regained the spot.

@jordanduran859

21 күн бұрын

Where did you get that from? Popularity no magic has 50 million players worldwide yugioh does not have those number of players.

Magic had a problem like this before when they had a set that didn’t sell well and they solved it. With a pro tour. Made people want to play the game. Gave them a reason to play. Plus Prof hit the nail on the head already, commander can’t be the future of the game. How many commander decks can you build and play? And more importantly, who cares how many commander decks you have? That is supposed to be about just playing and nothing matters. Give people more of a reason to play the game and we will play.

In terms of sales and playerbase count, yeah, its still first. In terms of gameplay, community, competitive scene, collecting/game cost, game balance, game management, or playerbase relations, its not. There are a number of games that outshine mtg in a good number of those other metrics.

@xdelbarrio

9 ай бұрын

What do you think is better in gameplay? Asking genuinely because I have only tried a couple more tcgs (mostly a local one from my country which boorowed a lot from mtg) and I still think mtg has the best design all around, but Im always looking for another one to maybe scratch the tcg itch from another angle

@nathand6467

9 ай бұрын

With the amount of product Wizards releases this shouldnt be too surprising either. During that month I was still buying the odd pack of Tales of Middle Earth, because I like it, but since that time Commander Masters and WoE have released. So if you add up all the different magic products and compare that to all the pokemon or Lorcana products, Magic probably still comes up on top. With that said,.. the amount of product Wizards releases is not good for the long term health of the game, it makes the typical set completely forgettable within a month. You can't "Return to Ravinca" if no one ever gave a shit about it in the first place, and you can only do so many Ravinca Allegiances/remasters until people forget about what they liked about it in the first place.

@Paradoxed25

9 ай бұрын

@@xdelbarrio MTG's land-based resource system is iconic, but extremely antiquated and leads to an incredibly high % of non-games due to one player or the other getting screwed/flooded. Many games have come up with better resource systems that avoid this issue either partially or entirely. One resource style I like is Flesh and Blood. All cards you draw can be used either to be played, be 'pitched' to give resources to play things, or used to block defensively. You never have a hand that simply can't do anything. Some hands will be more efficient than others, but since hands refresh every end of your turn, a bad hand is only temporary. This sort of system also largely avoids how impactful 'lucky topdecks' are in determining a game win. Mtg will likely always have the most attractive casual-multiplayer format with commander due to how vast their card pool is, though Im more speaking from a 1v1 standpoint.

@kerolokerokerolo

9 ай бұрын

Getting mana flooded or screwed is not a non-game, is a full game of magic and part of the magic experience and what makes it unique, so complex and deep of a game. It is essential and those kind of games are just as important as any other game.

@skyarrow9255

9 ай бұрын

​. I would like to come to the defense of Lands in MtG as simultaneously the Best and Worst thing about it. A lot of people call it antiquated but it is what allows for the color mixing to be remotely balanced most other cardgames have either a similar system or heavily restrict how you can deckbuild by e.g. saying only 2 color deck, or in Yu-Gi-Oh case make cards care about card names to the point that alot of deck building is done for you. Lands allow for this freedom, but also lead to games where one player doesn't take game actions. Also Lands at rare was/is a huge mistake because it bars the high color decks/openness of deckbuilding behind a big prize tag at least competitively.

Displaced Dinosaurs is finally going to allow Richard to Smash Someone with Lotus’s

I think it's meta dependent, but I actually think Everybody Lives! is better than Teferi's Pro because it answers combos. Teferi's Pro does nothing vs Thoracle.

@imaginarymatter

9 ай бұрын

I personally like Everybody Lives more because it is 2 cmc vs 3 cmc.

Magic never was de #1 game. MTG Players have a huge bias around the popularity of the game because they hear about formats X or Y and how it's popular around the players of those given formats. Also FOMO plays a great part in this. But the fact that Magic's IP is still known only to a few and very enfranchised players is the demonstration that MTG is not as popular as many people think. So it's no Wonder Yu-gi-oh, Pokemon, One Piece and Lorcana are highly popular. Three of them are well known animes and the other one is a collection of very famous IPs. We also don't see any Flesh and Blood. How many people know Prism or Chane? The IP's fame is the recipee to success and this explains why Wizards is so into Universes Beyond, because they need those very famous IPs to keep in the market.

@benjaminfeiner6851

9 ай бұрын

Very good observation here. MTG is a great game, but the lack of visibility - still, even after years of pushing the marketing of the game to its limits (Hotpockets...) - is a detriment to its overall sales. HOWEVER - Is that really a bad thing? I mean, think about it: I for one would rather have a good game with depth and interesting decisions to make than a game that has recognizable characters but shallow gameplay...

Richard's audio is completely inaudible, I had to max out my car volume whenever he talked.

Why is magic so low in the sell list? Because its canibalizing itself, the 3 mtg products listed are pretty much the same thing + a bit of gambling for artworks/-styles.

Buying Pokémon (if youre not going for fancy art) is actually waaayyy cheaper than Magic

34:53 I have been on a hiatus from magic and I do not miss keeping track of everything and feel bads from WOTC business practices.

Withdisplaced dinosaurs you make treasures, clues, and food and then turn those into dinos. Gimbal is hungry for this card since it makes a bunch of worthless tokens.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

Ah yes, treasures, the worthless tokens. Lol

@jeremiahchamberlain4179

9 ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 gimbal needs to make any and all artifact tokens, treasure is a very minimal part of what he should be making. Try scrap, banana, literally any wierd token only made by one card in the history of magic. Sure using some treasure generation in gimbal is good, but if thats the only artifact token you make in a gimbal build then you built it wrong. Gimbal looks to win with cards like rise and shine or cyberdrive awakener to overrun the board with all the weird and half useless tokens the deck should be making, but thanks for your completely off base comment.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

@@jeremiahchamberlain4179 missed the wholeass point. Lol

@jeremiahchamberlain4179

9 ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 your point was just to be snarky about treasures? Ok great add thanks.

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

@@jeremiahchamberlain4179 nope. Reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours, is it? My point was you called the single best type of token "worthless".

Was I the only one that was excited for a MTG netflix series?

@Blizz3112

9 ай бұрын

that either needs a fun combat system (that is also somewhat easy to follow) or some good written lore, or else its not worth the time...

@elijahwalker323

9 ай бұрын

@@Blizz3112 yeah your right not much lore in mtg history

@Blizz3112

9 ай бұрын

@@elijahwalker323 That's not what I meant... the MtG series would need to be written and thus needs the GOOD lore used for such...

They *really* didn't think about how Displaced Dinosaurs doesn't say non-token, in the same format as Smothering Tithe and Dockside Extortionist

Lorcana for the win baby!

I am not into Warhammer 40k or Dr Who but I bought the Necron precon (for MSRP) because at face value looked cool to me plus WH40k vaguely can mesh into reg MTG. I just yawn at Dr. Who but again it really is not for me and that's ok. Having said that just accept that hasbro/WotC WILL make a precon for your Fandom sooner or later...

@LedPESRule

9 ай бұрын

But I don't want precons for my fandom, I want Magic to be Magic. LOTR set was the absolute worst, and I'm a huge fan of that franchise. We have the whole Alter community if anyone really wants some other random IP with their Magic.

@kerolokerokerolo

9 ай бұрын

​@@LedPESRuleLotR set was one of the best sets of all time.

WHERE IS PHIL?

@kerolokerokerolo

9 ай бұрын

Phil isn't part of the podcast crew

@kerolokerokerolo

9 ай бұрын

He is in the goldfish commander podcast

@feliperodrigues5437

9 ай бұрын

@@kerolokerokerolo He should be part of the crew.

Id like to see the goldfish fam embrace Flesh and Blood

I am more excited about the future of other card games than mtg. And if I feel this way, it's bad news for WotC because I have loved magic since 1994. It's just not going anywhere pleasant imo. Especially since they killed both trading and collecting, meaning MTG is no longer a TCG. It's no longer on the same realm as Pokemon, yu gi oh, F&B, One Piece, Sorcery or Lorcana. MTG is now competing with paper Uno... (and toilet paper) I'm excited for the Final Fantasy set, almost nothing else. Maybe MH3, but only because we know MH3 will have a dozen of broken cards and it will be fun trying to spec on the next Hogaak.

@danielsniff6405

9 ай бұрын

Yugioh has basically no trading and collecting, and Lorcana clearly exists just to extort disney fans. I get if you don't like where mtg is heading, but by your own logic, most of the games you listed are also "not tcgs"

With the list of product sales, i definitely think that MTG has hurt itself with the sheer number of product. From the sound of the names all the booster product is separated meaning that the sale of set, draft, and collector boosters probably all have their own listings, splitting the sales to make it look worse than it's actually doing

There should be "arena timer" everytime Crim starts to talk about those (horrible) anime cards :D

I agree with Seth that the flavor of these cards for the most part isn’t nearly as appealing as Warhammer to someone who isn’t invested in either franchise. Also the cards in the set are very top down, making them a lot of words for very little payoff. I think Doctor Who does fit in the magic style pretty well. Also I’m personally just not interested in the archetypes provided.

@Bubblenuts13

9 ай бұрын

Everybody lives can be pretty close to Teferi’s Pro I think. It really depends on your archetype. The downsides are that your stuff can still be exiled and it doesn’t protect all permanents. It also only protects you for one turn so it can be harder to get back to your upkeep. The upsides are that it is cheaper, can prevent players from winning, and that it protects your creatures without clearing out your board for potentially multiple turns. Like for example if you pass the turn and then on the next opponents turn they try to wrath. You have Teferi’s Pro and a Counterspell in hand and a bunch of open mana. You have to either counter or pro, but you can’t do both because your lands will phase out too. You won’t be able to hold up that counter for following turns. The difference between two and three is also huuuge

16:05 The only problem I see about Farewell is that it should exile itself. And maybe it should have been 3WWW to make it less splashable.

You didn't know? They're discontinuing Judge Academy in favor of AI based judges. 🤖

The difference between 40k and who is Who creates a ton of new types and mechanics and those care about only their own types and mechanics. I think 40k only brought tyranids, but not every deck cares about them. 40k melds easier into the greater card pool of Magic.

@metalplaysgames

9 ай бұрын

i see dr who cards being super useful for a few of my decks, specifically the exile based decks and food decks

@ebonezra8073

9 ай бұрын

@metalplaysgames there's always an exception. But my point was 40k didn't add as many set-specific cards to Magic as Who did. That's why, in my opinion, it's easier for people to accept 40k over Who (if there's any comparison in the first place).

Engagement

Everybody lives is better than teferi's pro against an archenemy at the table, but worse as the archenemy.

The thing with that last of 25 top selling products is that it doesn't include...sales numbers. So there's not really any basis for comparing the numbers. What's the different between 1 and 2? 1 and 10? 5 and 25? There's no objective means to compare them, and there's not even any indication of overall sales numbers either. The list, at least to me as someone who cares about data a lot, is fundamentally useless. 10+14 together could be half of 1. It could be one and a half times. It could be close to double depending on the spread. So I don't think its useful for making much if any conclusions.

Let's gooo

It is really weired that the secondary market in the US is dominated by a few large vendors and there is no equivalent to something like cardmarket

@casteanpreswyn7528

9 ай бұрын

Tcg player. It's peer to peer and allows for card shops to sell as well.

38:20 these zoomers are gonna close every LGS around to save 6% lmao

I began playing around Magic Origins. Even when I first started their reputation is SO BAD that I (essentially) blocked them as a vendor. They won't be missed.

On the collectibility of Magic: I used to collect all black cards way back in the day, but I just didn't feel like trying to keep up. Then, at some point I decided that I find Liliana an interesting character, so I'm going to collect all of those. Then they decided to print a baseball card with Liliana. Am I going to get that? No, because as someone from outside of US, I have no interest in baseball and aesthetically it just doesn't fit among the rest of those cards, so if I can 't now have a complete collection of Liliana's, why would I bother anymore? So, I just decided to give up. Maybe I'll get something I find interesting at some point, but I'm pretty sure that was just it. Anyone wanna buy a bunch of Liliana's? (Not really, there's some I will never get rid of.)

The problem with doctor who is that you need the context of the show for the cards to have an appeal where Warhammer doesn't need any context to make an army of metal skeletons or giant man-eating bugs to be cool and fit in the magic universe Also fuck praising Wotc for making playable mana bases

Richard seems like a cool guy but some of his takes are him just trying to be a contrarian. Everybody Lives is clearly a good card. Basically a better Heroic Intervention. To say it's not good cause Teferi's Protection is better is so silly. 🤦

Short answer Yes

@gregorycafiero9688

9 ай бұрын

Longer answer: who thinks this is even a question? These guys literally came back from a las vegas convention dedicated solely to magic, and thats probably not the last one theyll go to this year. Doomer mindset is so weird.

should we be concerned about this?

@MTGGoldfishPodcast

9 ай бұрын

I would say not really, I think Wilds of Eldraine might be underperforming, but Lords of the Rings killed it and Commander Masters sold way better than you'd think considering how many complaints there were about the pricing. If we keep getting more set released that performs poorly there might be a time to worry about it, but I wouldn't put too much weight into a single month of data.

1st?

Richard HAS to stop saying “it’s gonna get Farewelled” whenever he is too tired to think of a better thing to say. *Everything* in Magic that’s not a land, planeswalker, instant, sorcery, or battle gets Farewelled. So like 99% of permanents on the field. It is just the absolute bottom tier of analysis. And btw re: Sonic screwdriver- if someone is going to Farewell and 3-mana mana rock then it’s either a pretty good card or a total waste of a Farewell.

Magic hasnt been #1 for a long time now. Yugioh took over in 2009 when it became the biggest selling trading card game according to Guinness.

Everybody Lives! loses to Time Sieve, poison counters, and Commander damage. I think that card is mid af.