This shouldn't even be a question. We all love Kendrick, but anyone who has heard tracks like Mural, Adoration of A Magi, Hurt Me Soul, Blur My Hands, and Mural Jr know that Lupe is an elite level lyricist.

@isaiahmarshall2704

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you brought up Adoration of A Magi, because people really sleep on that

@damic1212

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaiahmarshall2704 Facts

@ChristianPerez-kd5jg

3 жыл бұрын

Black friday, Kush and Corinthians, poe man dreams, FEEL, Hol up, all song that aren't mainstream fyi

@ChristianPerez-kd5jg

3 жыл бұрын

Both have a great discography, KDOT does more tho

@birdsfly7199

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristianPerez-kd5jg I love those Kendrick tracks. But try to find a line/pair of lines in those songs that can top a line/pair of lines from those Lupe songs OP mentioned. Lupe has a tendency to make every line important. I love rapping along “I flow tighter than virgin lips,” but Lupe wouldn’t have a line like that. Regardless, I love Kendrick and Lupe. Kendrick over Lupe any day, too.

People won't appreciate how good Lupe is until he's done with music.

@garybush5471

3 жыл бұрын

He's an alien man

@drhashtagyolo

3 жыл бұрын

^

@dariusjackson1929

3 жыл бұрын

Kick, Push will always be one of my favorite songs from Lupe ever! That will never change. He’s just that good.

@youngtundra478

3 жыл бұрын

Darius Jackson Mural is one of the best songs Lupe ever made, if you got 8 minutes, check it out

@dariusjackson1929

3 жыл бұрын

youngtundra478 hold on... Lupe spitting for 8 minutes? I don’t know if my ears can handle that much fire. But i’ll try. Mural, right? Good looking out.

This topic is a prime example of how the line between popularity and talent are extremely blurred today.

@strawhatzevante472

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly !

@CE77777

3 жыл бұрын

I get what your saying but Kendrick is the last person to be saying this in reference too

@steezy6195

3 жыл бұрын

Kendrick one of my favourite artists of this generation and even I can admit his fans overrate the fuck out of his lyricism lmao.

@jow8480

3 жыл бұрын

@@steezy6195 u can't blame kendrick for his own following

@steezy6195

3 жыл бұрын

Jo W of course not but I can most definitely blame the Kendrick fans that don’t educate themselves on other rappers and think he’s best lyricist to touch the earth lmao. This Lupe vs Kendrick is the prime example most Kendrick fans haven’t listened to Lupe in his entirety and are just quick to defend Kendrick when if they actually Dissected Lupe they’d clearly know he’s the superior lyricist

Man. The similes. Metaphors. References. Analogies. Double rhymes. Double time. Triple time. Consonance. Assonance. Extended metaphors. Story telling. Story telling across three albums and three mixtapes. Telling a story backwards. Rapping from a inanimate object’s point of view. Rapping for nine minutes. Making you debate (15 years later) if kick push was about selling drugs or skateboarding and if Michael Young Never lost his dad, would he have met “The Cool” and have to dig himself up out of his grave with a watch. The cartoon references. Double entendres. Triple entendres. Whatever heck, Septennial entendres. Has anybody ever heard of Lupe’s song called “Hurt Me Soul”. Omg......dude spit all of the world ills. Dude was massively rhyming talking about trump and Oboma way way back and social issues and making it FRESH. Man. .....just listen to food and liquor. The original leaked version. Dude had a song with Jay z on that album. Lupe killed it. Jay z went and RE DID HIS VERSE ONCE THE SONG CAME OUT. Lupe Smoked him. That’s how Great Lupe is. Whatever you want, LUPE GOT IT. Oh yeah “Coulda Been” is his first recorded song and is one of the best songs ever.

@WalterBrady

3 жыл бұрын

Bro!! You just gave me an education on this man skill set!! Like Lupe said in SLR, “You have to go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan.”

@YardratZ

3 жыл бұрын

Walter Brady bro. Lupe. Is the man. It’s crazy how good he is. I even songs like WAV files omg. Dude. Dude. Just listen and read the lyrical connotation. And the song BUMPED IN THE WHIP and spit knowledge

@abel6297

3 жыл бұрын

WAV Files > How much a dollar cost & it aint even close, Lupe just goes beyond storytelling and into the heavens were the harvest is greater

@YardratZ

3 жыл бұрын

The Bubble yessss. But Kendrick is that dude. Not as great lyrically. He great. Not Lupe great. His delivery is better IMO. I wouldn’t say his song are better. Just more modern. Lupe was in that space long ago.

@mlp573

3 жыл бұрын

Fucking facts tracks like : paper of jayzus, mural, mural 2, shoes (I never heard emcee spit like that ever

I will argue for Kendrick against most, but Lupe is a Jedi Master Council Member who taught Yoda bro

@oblambo

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@donpatchey3178

3 жыл бұрын

Dont care for star wars but this was a dope a comment

@DairangerSentai7

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe taught Yoda and Qui-Gon-Kendrick

@vivelevelo9232

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe is getting overhyped, mans good, not that good tho

@oblambo

3 жыл бұрын

@@vivelevelo9232 bro there's a reason he's being compared to Kendrick. He's definitely not overhyped

Kendrick is sonically more pleasing to listen to....but Lupe's wordplay is on another level.

@carsonrogers4849

3 жыл бұрын

Neither are that sonically pleasing

@Northsyde21

3 жыл бұрын

@@carsonrogers4849 sonically both are great artists along with being great lyricist. That's what makes both so successful and beloved imo

@carsonrogers4849

3 жыл бұрын

Northsyde i have ADHD

@tj013.

3 жыл бұрын

Carson Rogers that’s cap

@TheKondinho

3 жыл бұрын

One name: Dr Dre

Yes, no questions asked. Lupe is undoubtedly one of the greatest lyricists of all time

The real question is, " Is Lupe the best lyricist ever?" Have you heard "Mural"?

@davonmanigault2451

3 жыл бұрын

Have you heard WAV files?

@Matt_Underwood

2 жыл бұрын

@@davonmanigault2451 WAV Files❤️❤️❤️

@daylanbrawley631

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve BEEN telling my friends to listen to mural for years….nobody in mainstream is out-rapping LUPE

@wh0_odat644

2 жыл бұрын

Not just Mural...his whole track record. 👑💯

@bw4348

2 жыл бұрын

@@wh0_odat644 I feel you. But you gotta give the ppl some place to start. Lupe has a lot of range. Even his dis records are lethal, (listen to Steve Jobs).

I love Kendrick to DEATH, but if we're talking STRICTLY lyrics, the only correct answer to me is Lupe. His double, triple, quadruple entrendres are crazy, the way he metaphorically connects every bar in a verse together on certain songs, it's so dense. Yeah...give it to that man.

@lathankyles687

3 жыл бұрын

Facts... why is this even a conversation. 🤦🏾‍♂️

@heythere6983

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz rap n hip hop fans are unfortunately not much better than pop fans and go by celebrity status and catchy simple songs

@DeeMulaah

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaiaharmand8841 Lupe isn't even a double time rapper What the hell are you talking about

@exaucemayunga22

3 жыл бұрын

Can I have some titles where he does that? I don't really listen to him.

@DeeMulaah

3 жыл бұрын

@@exaucemayunga22 Just look up Mural

Man if a Kendrick and Lupe track comes from this...

@ShonTolliverMusic

3 жыл бұрын

We'd be decoding it for the next decade and college curriculum will be have courses written around it.

@brandonbates9259

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShonTolliverMusic for sure

@neshaunfoster3160

3 жыл бұрын

It’ll be like that Eminem and Kendrick track where there don’t rap for the sake of throwing bars and showing skill and instead attack a concept no one would expect. Like they rapped about women, I enjoyed the track, but when I saw the track list for the Marshall Mather LP 2, I was assuming those 2 were about to duke it out on a record. Nah... I was got

@capalottyslimalini2878

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe wouldn’t. He doesn’t wanna get to embarrassed

@quality318

3 жыл бұрын

@@capalottyslimalini2878 Lupe will outshine Kendrick Lamar lyrically

Who on God's green earth thinks Kendrick is anywhere near Lupe lyrically? Seems like Lupe was just trolling for fun.

@IGAmbiton

2 жыл бұрын

Kendrick is Lupe that doesnt watch anime. Stop

@jactrippa6555

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh Kendrick killing everybody in the game BUT Lupe probably is the Rap God..

@yhhkj529

2 жыл бұрын

@deez nuts this made me laugh way harder than it should. I kinda want Anthony to explain his issue with Lupe one day, because everything about his musical taste tells me he should really dig his music, but instead he acts like he doesn’t even exist. He only talks about his records when his fanbase literally forces him to. I remember a live stream were he was listing artists who worked with Kanye… Chat: LUPE LUPE LUPE Anthony: Pusha, Kid Cudy, Kendrick…

@2ill4real

2 жыл бұрын

@@yhhkj529 melon head can't comprehend Lupe's lyrics lol

@jojorose778

Ай бұрын

Me

Lupe > Kendrick as a lyricist DAS IT

@seanmower3926

3 жыл бұрын

I agree here

@seanmower3926

3 жыл бұрын

Also S/0 meami love your content

@4251547

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@pastense

3 жыл бұрын

I agree when he said that Kendrick is a better artist tho. Kdot has made masterpieces. Lupe has not, and may never will.

@lastonewon

3 жыл бұрын

That's it.

Y'all are forgetting that Lupe was Black balled by the industry. It took Anonymous to force Atlantic to let him release music. And at that point Lupe was just trying to make songs to complete his album obligation so he could get off his contract. He even said "I wasn't going to give them anything I put my soul in". That's why Lupe's mainstream career tanked.

@seanreyes7694

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@gilfordmccormack8140

3 жыл бұрын

Big Facts even though Lupe came into the game with 1st and 15th his Partner/Manager Chill got sentenced to 44 yrs in prison as his career was taking off. Lupe had to fend for himself in the industry. Kendrick came into the game with the covering of Top Dawg and TDE. They protected Kendrick from dealing with some of the pitfalls and issues that Lupe had to deal with in the industry. Not to say that I'm using that as slight against Kendrick because I'm glad he had that. If he didn't have the team or the support that he has he probably wouldn't have been as big as he is.

@cordellboss

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that but Lupe doesn't care about money and came into the rap game with a boatload of it. So everything they tried to sell to him he wasn't buying.

@dominobutters6438

3 жыл бұрын

Yup..he talks about this and the influence that the industry tries to filter in and change the artist's music in order to abide by industry norms in the song "glory". Dope track by the way.

@dayestar1997

3 жыл бұрын

Most artists, especially conscious artists dont have the chance to have the career Kendrick had. People just assume lupe fell off cause of accessible music or something but he had tons of label battles that kemdrick never had. Taking songs off the radio, label refusing to put out albums, telling him they wont promote him, getting black listed for his political opinions, giving songs that would have blew him up even more to other artists. list goes on. Imagine if kendrick was on a label that felt like to pimp a butterfly needs more edm instrumentals because Kendrick has crossover appeal, and refused to release it to the point fans protested. Kendrick would have fell off. He is on a label with people looking out for him, who makes sure he eats, and makes sure him and his music can breathe.

Kendrick and Lupe on a song : winner would be Hip Hop

@tuxedomask8238

3 жыл бұрын

They have a song together but it was when Kendrick was trash lol

@SoundsGoodNature

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuxedomask8238 kendrick was never trash

@tuxedomask8238

3 жыл бұрын

RomanRulers yes, he was before he was famous. Kendrick legit switched up his whole style.

@SoundsGoodNature

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuxedomask8238 before he was famous he wasn't trash

@tuxedomask8238

3 жыл бұрын

RomanRulers Lol you’re in denial

Honestly DROGAS WAVE has the best rapping I’ve ever heard on an album it’s absolutely insane how good he is, I listened to it while reading the Genius annotations and it’s mind blowing.

@valx5

3 жыл бұрын

@M C yeah that’s why he commented “the best rapping I’ve ever heard”

At this point in his career Lupe is on his Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" approach to his creative process. The average Hip Hop fan won't get his approach until 30-40 years later....

@benl4707

3 жыл бұрын

Yea if that was a challenge could he beat that though!

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

@@benl4707 That's a good question. It would be interesting to see....

@breekwhal

3 жыл бұрын

What’s miles Davis approach to creative process?

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

@@breekwhal Pushing creative boundaries. Realizing that your flaws creatively are actually the foundation of your gift and not being afraid to display that in your music...

@jannickpedersen4620

3 жыл бұрын

4 years after i heard the song "go to sleep" - i could still find something i had overlooked. FnF up!

We need that KendrickxLupe track. GET TOP ON THE PHONE!

@BlackyVue

3 жыл бұрын

Get Chill on the Phone

@jasonclark2822

3 жыл бұрын

album!

Lupe for the mind Kendrick for the soul. It all depends on what makes you feel more. Me personally it’s Kendrick by a hair but I’m not mad at anyone saying Lupe.

@venod3134

3 жыл бұрын

That is a fire analogy. Agreed.

@313jmo3

3 жыл бұрын

@JahRoxkYa Listen to the Cool.

@brashadcarr6759

3 жыл бұрын

Great take

@96god2

3 жыл бұрын

@JahRoxkYa true , I'd say Sing about me is another example

@christopherjohnson577

3 жыл бұрын

But that's not lyrics though that's more so style

"We're all chemicals/vitamins and minerals/Vicodin in inner tubes wraped around the armmmm"

They forgot how many different flows Lupe has displayed over the years. He has switched flows on a single song. Both Kendrick and Lupe are good at flow versatility.

@modofatak

Жыл бұрын

I personally think Kendrick is more versatile

Lupe and Ab-Soul’s collab was fire

I missed these DEHH conversations.

@fernandoreyes680

3 жыл бұрын

Me too man. I always go back to their old videos to see the convos.

@Gamefreak2079

3 жыл бұрын

Same we need more especially rn

As Lupe said, "gota go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan."

@The-Endo-SymArmor

3 жыл бұрын

It's hard being a Lupe fan go to Harvard to be a Lupe Stan. I'm not saying that I'm harder It's just harder when it's in Lupe's hand. Welcome Nigga Lupe Land.

I'm glad Lupe is getting recognition.

The Cool definitely had a radio sound to it. “Paris, Tokyo” “Superstar” “Hi-Definition” “Hip-Hop Saved My Life” “Fighters” all were radio “friendly” sounding

@dadorage1695

3 жыл бұрын

Gold Watch, Hello Goodbye, Put you on game etc are NOT radio friendly though.

@IAmWizdom1000

3 жыл бұрын

That's pre-blackball Lupe as well.

@BlackHattoriHanzo

3 жыл бұрын

And then he dropped dumb it down on that same album

@SolidSnake240

3 жыл бұрын

True. Those songs are all great tho cuz it didn't sound like Lupe was reaching for a radio hit. HipHop Saved My Life has a whole double meaning to it.

@BlackHattoriHanzo

3 жыл бұрын

@@SolidSnake240 that was an anthem for anyone whoever picked up a pen and pad. Lupes the cool album really was pretty deep. Even hi definition had some meaning in it.

I just imagine Kendrick calling Top and saying “bring Lupe to the studio”

The Cool was massively underrated, excluding a few songs his concepts and storytelling are second to none. And when given the scope to flex away from record label bullshit he’s on another level hence tetsuo and youth which is a masterpiece

@cyberbron2077

2 жыл бұрын

Drogas wave too was crazy. Lupe has an amazing discography not only musically but there's so much lyrical content to dive into. His hiccups were just the albums he made where Atlantic had a big input on what they wanted. Other than that, dude has one of the best discographies to me.

As a k-Dot Stan ,I have to say Lupe has said everything that Kendrick has said but in a more dynamic and complex manner which requires a lot of time to analyse the Lyricism.Thats one of the reasons Lupe hasn't gotten big on a mainstream level coz he's too complicated .

Lupe has worked with Ab-Soul several times. He loves the whole TDE camp. People know the truth about Lupe vs. Kendrick Lamar. Y’all (as in the people) need to stop trying to make this a beef. That’s it. Lupe got it. That’s respect. Kendrick is dope too but y’all get albums and rapping confused.

@HStalhane

3 жыл бұрын

@Blank do you think Harry Potter is superior to Ulysses? After all, the concepts of Harry Potter are literally magical and out of this world, whereas Ulysses just tells the story of a day in Dublin.

@JC-ws3cs

3 жыл бұрын

@@HStalhane what are you trying say? Which rapper is Joyce in this comparison. I think lupe and Kendrick are more interesting than JK Rowling to be honest.

@HStalhane

3 жыл бұрын

@@JC-ws3cs I just feel that subject matter is a weird thing to be measuring, which I guess this entire thing is about, so I don't even know...

@realeyesrealisereallies97

3 жыл бұрын

@@HStalhane not a fair comparison bro

@docm4544

3 жыл бұрын

If Lupe & Soul did an album together, the world would combust

How many times have we had this convo😂😭😭

Love this channel man. Everytime I hear your conversations I feel like I can fit right in to being a part of it. Not just because of the respect and appreciation I have towards hip-hop like you guys all do but the natural and unforced chemistry you guys create.

I'm a Lupe Stan but most of Lupe's songs and albums go over my head. Lupe is one of those rappers you literally have to listen to multiple times AND go to rap genius to get his genius. It's crazy and how ahead of his time he is. Lupe all day man there's no question.

I’m a K.dot STAN but even I know that Lupe is a better lyricist. Even if it’s only slightly. And if Lupe isn’t a better lyricist than Kendrick, there’s nothing wrong with saying that you are better someone. That’s rap. That’s what happens in hip-hop and always has.

@fitawrarifitness6842

3 жыл бұрын

Slightly?

@steezy6195

3 жыл бұрын

Slightly? No need to sugar coat it dawg lupes leagues ahead lmao

@garrynwingfield2657

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know Lupe is a much better lyricist. But I’m saying for Kendrick fans who don’t think Lupe is better that it’s not a big deal for Lupe to say he is better. I think people are making it a big deal in hopes that Kendrick drops music sooner

@herivaldoagostinho1694

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Interesting convo. No real controversy here once everyone reads Lupe's full comments on it, but this was a dope conversation to get out of it all.

Anyone questioning Lupes talent and lyricism needs to listen to songs like WAV files, King Nas and Sun God Sam from his last album. As a matter of fact just listen to the whole Drogas Wave album.

I subscribed as soon as i heard praise for Tetsuo and Youth, his most underrated album

Tetsuo and Youth Lyrically and Sonically is crazy man . Like Lyrically Kendrick can’t touch that . Far as TPAB that type of consciousness is also deep as fuck ... I still gotta give it to Lupe though

@Gwrightproductions1

3 жыл бұрын

And that's why LU said Kendrick is a better artist. Lu as an Alien lyrically

@Oxytocin_

3 жыл бұрын

Gwrightproductions1 he’s still not better lyrically but y’all can have the conversation.

@davidawonaike1188

3 жыл бұрын

Just because Lupe puts some crazy complex rhyme schemes together doesn’t mean he a better lyricist, listen to Mural, half the shit he says don’t even makes sense he just rhyming for the sake of rhyming. Kendrick is a better lyricist, he paints stories better, his message is louder too.

@djwarzone1

3 жыл бұрын

David Awonaike the punchlines and pictures he pains in word form on mural are crazy man. It’s complex , it’s possible if you don’t get it that the rhyme scheme went over your head or maybe that type of rhyming isn’t your cup of tea . I guess not everyone wants to decipher the raps. Again why Kendrick is more popular but nothing wrong with that either way I guess

@Oxytocin_

3 жыл бұрын

djwarzone1 Eminem can do wordplay freestyles and then sit and write more technical similes and metaphors. It’s not that special. It’s about painting pictures with those words in depth.

kendrick is a better artist, lupe is a better lyricist. literally everyone agrees with this

@S.CDRONE

3 жыл бұрын

I know right. I literally don’t know why people dragging this still

@dallashanson_

3 жыл бұрын

That’s not true. Food and Liquor, The Cool, and Tetso and Youth are comparable to any Kendrick albums.

@S.CDRONE

3 жыл бұрын

Dallas Hanson he not comparing project, he comparing skills

@jomarcoliverman4971

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say better artist because both are dope artists I think Kendrick makes song’s more radio friendly but definitely agree as a lyricist Lupe is better

@cafenightster4548

3 жыл бұрын

@@jomarcoliverman4971 Yup, Lupe better lyrics wise and an actual artist, does it for the artistry(last two albums) . Kendrick is cool, but its more appealing to a bigger audience. Logic and Kendrick is a better match up.

I'm coming back to this after Lupe merked Royce da 5'9 and then started putting out lyrical practice.

Lupe is one of the most truthful. He was on point with his comments.

I think with the whole "delivery being a part of lyricism" debate that Rod brought up, I think that delivery should be taken into account when judging the overall MC, but not something as specific as lyricism that has to do specifically with words. That's why I think Lupe is a better lyricist, but Kendrick is a better overall MC.

@PaintedHoundie

3 жыл бұрын

I dont get what lyricism is anymore based on what people are saying. It seems clear that when people say someone is a lyricist theyre talkin about bars. People are saying things like provoking emotion, story telling, relatability etc and i dont think those are things that go into what makes a person a wordsmith

@budheavie3518

3 жыл бұрын

Idk. I think Lupes a better mc but Kendrick is better overall artist.

@hornyconvict

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you say the ability to tell a story factors into it as well? I think Kendrick has a slight edge in that regard. Lupe is more dense and metaphorical but I'd argue Kendrick is more varied and has the storytelling edge. They're both amazing artists.

@budheavie3518

3 жыл бұрын

Brandon The Cool story by Lupe is pretty dope. I think Kendrick just puts more emotion in his tracks.

@shabaclank3711

3 жыл бұрын

Kru thank you... that’s what gives Kendrick the edge for me

Even though I agree that kendrick makes more accessible music, I have to give lupe his props. Cause a lot of hip hop fans keep "dumb it down" relevant to this day

@IAmWizdom1000

3 жыл бұрын

TO THIS DAY! I've been mind blown by dumb it down since middle school, I'm 27 now.

@SPACECOWBOY705

3 жыл бұрын

There's alot of skill in simplifying complex topics... I think kendrick excels in this... Kendricks not "simple" at all but he does a good job of meeting his listeners halfway.... Lupe is extremely complex almost to his own detriment

@gondoguru

3 жыл бұрын

coolest nigga what!! dumb it down"🙌

@AsiaN_Pride3

3 жыл бұрын

lil Artman X you hit the nail on the coffin. Reading this entire comment section and both fans just handicap the HELL out of both artists that it’s actually fucking insane. I’m a Kendrick fan bro but I realized he was a mortal man too when he decided to tell a fan to not say the lyric to a hype song 🤦‍♂️

@thatothamae1394

3 жыл бұрын

I can't believe people see "dumb it down" in Kendrick and Lupe lyrics.

Lupe is literally better lyricist than every rapper in history of hip hop

@KOJOKWAME7

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@herivaldoagostinho1694

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@modofatak

Жыл бұрын

I think an argument can be made for Aesop Rock.

Dude you guys are having the best conversation I’ve heard on this topic. Thank you so much for this! Everything you guys have brought up has to be the most accurate depiction of what it really is.

Finally someone who puts some respecK on Lupe’s name

@Historicutuber

3 жыл бұрын

ShizAudi put some speck on it

Plot twist: Lupe is the one holding the camera the whole time

@Historicutuber

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

Been a fan of lupe since (Food & liquor) album. The song (real) is still one of my favorite song till this day. My niggas thought he was trash and never understood why i listen to him everyday. Man is a genius💯

@vayunlohani441

2 жыл бұрын

W for sticking with Lupe since day 1

@younggod3906

2 жыл бұрын

I love that song Real 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

I’m with Rod on delivery always being part of lyricism. How a bar is delivered does have a part in determining how good the bar is.

Love the DEHH Conversations, and to me they demonstrate your biggest strength as a channel. 'Reaction' style videos have their place on KZread, but you stand out by offering something I don't see from other Hip-Hop focused channels - insightful and entertaining discussions by people who love the artform.

@CHUCKSANDPOLOS

3 жыл бұрын

This should have more likes

@alang4190

3 жыл бұрын

i hope rod sees this, i miss these

Lupe is a better lyricist but Kendrick makes better albums

@dynamicjaethought7788

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even agree with that, but I LOVE both my niggas equally. They are both dope in their own ways.

@chrism7163

3 жыл бұрын

@Michaell Alexander No not all of them. Lupe discography not as strong

@HB-ih9qp

3 жыл бұрын

better albums was not the topic

@deanthomson1891

3 жыл бұрын

Tetsuo & Youth is just as good, if not better than any Kendrick project.

@chrism7163

3 жыл бұрын

Those are great but he still has bad albums

Really enjoy this type of content! Would love to see more videos in this style personally

Thank you guys for wearing markings !

As an artist, these are the types of discussions that I really appreciate from the DEHH community (i.e. the hosts & those of us who are subscribers/viewers). Even though I’m not the one being reviewed; I’m always learning from channels like DEHH’s - which helps me hone my craft, even more, refining my skill set. I also appreciate that you’re not strictly basing one’s level of ‘success’ off of records sold, alone. Dope conversation, Fellas!

Lupe Fiasco would Renegade Kendrick Lamar on a track.

@cdben4671

3 жыл бұрын

When’s the last time he dropped??

@96god2

3 жыл бұрын

Depends what type of track they do

@jacobschippell2058

3 жыл бұрын

CD Ben Lupe had waves last year and that 4 track house ep in late july

@cdben4671

3 жыл бұрын

Jacob Schippell I’ll have to check it out, thanks

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Kendrick knows how to silver surf the hell out of a beat....

Great conversation. Thank you

Damn man, this channel is great! I wish I have a group of friends to have those kind of discussions!

@EmilioRPK

3 жыл бұрын

But I pick Kendrick over Lupe

DEHH right on time with a video when I was looking for something to watch! Salute kings!

@A.Shawnee

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Trujillo Well, you proved you're definitely not one lol. Dude, shut up!

Yes. Kendrick can probably make a better body of work and will more than likely end his career with a better discography. But he can not out rap Lupe. I’m saying that as a fan of both.

@cgs20

3 жыл бұрын

Kendrick already has a better discography than Lupe tho

@Flow349

3 жыл бұрын

Carter Simmons My favorites are Food & Liquor, The Cool, Tetsuo & Youth, Drogas Wave and all the mixtapes bump. I’m not gonna really compare Kendrick discography to his until Kendrick at least drops two more. But he is on pace to have a better catalog and that’s fine

@ummok720

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe has great concepts in terms of lyrics but kendrick has flow and delivery.

@cgs20

3 жыл бұрын

F.L.O.W. I think Kendrick has 4/4 great albums, and Lupe’s 3/7. Not to mention, Drogas Wave, which is my favorite Lupe album, is nowhere near either TPAB or GKMC.

Lupe > lyrically. Kendrick > sonically

It's worth noting that Lupe stopped making accessible pop songs when he got off the label.

When they said feefo wasn't with us i started sweating nervously as hell

I miss the DEHH conversations it’s always feel good way to talk on some rap music.

First time on the channel and this was a great conversation to listen to. 🤘🏼

I don’t know too much about lupes discography so I guess I can’t give my opinion. I’m just glad to see people in the comments are just giving props and speaking their opinion rather than arguing.

I personally wouldn't ever include delivery, flow, cadence, or anything like that when talking about lyricism. All you need is a lyric sheet to judge lyricism in my opinion.

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

Not true. Pick any successful lyrical emcee from Rakim to Eminem and you'll see that delivery, flow and cadence is a major component of separating the gifted from the talented....

@jonathansaraco

3 жыл бұрын

@@willieboyland3180 Yeah, when evaluating an MC top to bottom, of course. But delivery has nothing to do with LYRICISM. I'm not saying all of those don't matter. Just they don't factor into a discussion of lyricism. Obviously a rapper is gonna be shit if they rap like a robot with no emotions, even if they have amazing lyrics. But I can still say they have amazing or top tier lyricism even if they're ability to rap those lines are shit.

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansaraco If the delivery is trash you're not gonna even think twice about how lyrical they are. It has to go hand and hand....

@willieboyland3180

3 жыл бұрын

@lendra2010 Poetry and rapping are two totally different approaches fam. Take any lyrical rapper, write down his lyrics on a piece of paper and give it to any random person that can read past a third grade level and see if you think those lyrics are amazing or trash? You gotta have the flow to match the lyrics or it's not really lyricism....

@tc98826

3 жыл бұрын

Thats just literature. Rapping is a performing art. Rap lyrics need to be constructed in an engaging way, and delivered with the right timing and emphasis. They need to flow on top of/alongside the beat. The rhyme scheme should change a few times to avoid monotony. A great lyricist knows how to construct bars and deliver them for maximum impact.

The Cool Food and Liquor The Fahrenheit trilogy Pharaoh Height Tetsuo & Youth Drogas Wave The answer is so obvious. . .

@ahmedfiasco6412

3 жыл бұрын

fr

@ese426

3 жыл бұрын

Section 80 Good Kid M.a.a.d City To Pimp a Butterfly Untitled Unmastered DAMN. I think the answer is obvious. I see no misses so far

@chandler6863

3 жыл бұрын

prod.SwxttyEse he talking about lyrics

@ahmedfiasco6412

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ese426 listen to hurt me soul, or glory by lupe.

@OrashiTV

3 жыл бұрын

No disrespect to Kendrick, he’s definitely the most consistent of the 2 when it comes to the quality of his albums, but RAPPING? The Fahrenheit trilogy alone is hard to top But like Myke said, when discussing lyricism, someone might look at cats like Navy Blue, Ka, Billy Woods or Tha God Fahim and consider them the GREATEST rappers ever, but their music just isn’t as accessible to the mainstream.

lupe's switch is an example of how different he can be

Kendrick's advantage is he's got a great team and label support (TDE/Aftermath/Interscope). He's got Punch and Top guiding his releases. Lupe spent about half of his career beefing with Atlantic, and his manager locked up after FnL.

Lupe all day

A lot of Kendrick’s non-radio tracks are some of my favorite. hood politics and good kid are two that immediately come to mind

Yes Thank you for coming to my TED talk

glad to see this in person

The fact this is even a discussion is hilarious to me. Lupe is way clear of Kendrick lyrically in every way possible

@MusicIsAWayOfLife123

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh I'm even concerned over how some of y'all are trying to say their lyricism are even close. Damn I never anticipated Lupe ending up in a place where he's not getting his flowers. He's arguably top 3 lyricist of all time (#1 imo). Kendrick doesn't even touch top 5 if we're strictly talking lyricism

@OBM615

3 жыл бұрын

Only facts I've read so far.

@rainman415

3 жыл бұрын

👍

@StupidIsAsStupidDoe2

3 жыл бұрын

The whole point of DEHH is these types of discussions.

@MusicIsAWayOfLife123

3 жыл бұрын

@@StupidIsAsStupidDoe2 There is no issue with the types of discussions, its the 2 lyricists being compared that's the issue.

Let’s gooo miss that soundbite of Ken saying “Dead End Hip Hop conversations”

This was great guys!! Really enjoy these convos you guys have, hope to see more of these!! I'm gonna go watch the Kanye video now! Much love to u guys!!

I think both are equally talented. Both aren’t afraid to handle the deep stuff that is thought provoking and relatable. These are each artist has the ability to make you pause and think. I believe they respect each. IMO

I think something important to point out on the accessible songs tip. When Lupe was making accessible songs, he did it in his nitch. Were his accessible songs crazy lyrical? No, not really. But they were crazy CONCEPTUALLY. And that's really Lupe's bag. Superstar was part of a concept album talking about going to heaven and with a video where the streets were personified as a hustler with an arm that turned to bones when the lights flashed on them... That was a SINGLE! Lol and not just for the vid, it tied into the actual lyrics and album which was heavily promoted. Kendrick's bag is that he raps weird, lyrically and really well. Before he blew up, that was his bag as well. When he makes accessible songs, that's still his thing. So there's a difference in even how they approach "accessible" songs. Lupe has said that being crazy at rapping, isn't necessarily what separates him from the pack. It's his concepts that he puts the most pride in.

@blkjohnnybravo3506

3 жыл бұрын

Braillionaire dumb it down was a single

@Braillionaire

3 жыл бұрын

@@blkjohnnybravo3506 I know lol Hence my point. When I say "conceptual" I don't just mean the overall concept of the song. His bars are also abstract and conceptual. That's Lupe himself talks about his raps and his strengths. That song is a PERFECT example lol

I honestly love these dudes. I wish I could subscribe to their patreon and support em, but cash is a little hard for me right now, especially since I live in a different country and currency means that I have to pay a lil bit more. Keep pushing out content Dead End Hiphop, I'll support every other way I can. It's rare to find somebody who has the exact same music tastes as you and Mike C Town is litteraly that guy for me🤣😂 Honestly I appreciate yall content man, I love hiphop! All of it! And I love that channels like this exist🐧🐧

@Dionduvinci

3 жыл бұрын

Do you listen to their podcast?

@tulip8586

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dionduvinci oh yeah definately! Shit is free😂🤣😂

There are a few things that none of them mentioned pertaining to Lupe. First of all, Lupe's mixtapes like 'Farenheit' and 'Enemy of the State' have some of the hottest tracks of all time. His one off, 'unreleased' singles/freestyles are crazy as well. "Free Chilly Freestyle", "You, Me, Him, Her", "Ignorant". These are a few of the best lyrical freestyles ever released. To only make mention of his albums is to do him a great diservice. Also, just his sheer ability to hit you with a triple entendre that recalls a line from earlier in the song, while tying into an overarching theme is just unprecedented. I've listened to Lupe for 15 years and still find refrences and additional layers of an Entendre that astound me. To truly understand his songs you have to study history, film, cartoons, fashion, literature; the list goes on. He will pronounce a word such that it will sound like two different words, where both of them work in context but have totally different meanings. It's superhuman. Lupe is, hands down, the greatest lyricist of all time. I don't think it is even close.

I agree with Lupe's answers. The two of them would be incredible to hear on the same track / project. Would LOVE to hear them do something like what Em & Royce did with Bad Meets Evil. Great discussion guys 👏

For almost any mood I'm in, sad, happy indifferent, whatever. I can throw on "the show goes on" and vibe.

Lupe has god tier depth, Kdot has god tier flow. Both have godly lyrics

@dadorage1695

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe's flow is way underrated tbh

@ummok720

3 жыл бұрын

Both make albums you have to listen to more than once

@Christopher._M

3 жыл бұрын

The thing i can not stand about Kendrick is his flow

@blacksoapy

3 жыл бұрын

@@dadorage1695 he can def start spazzin but he usually raps as though he's talking to you, which is great but it can get boring

@blacksoapy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Christopher._M trippin lol. My gripe is his voice sometimes, respect how versitile it is, but it can be annoying

Loved Secion 80 (hii power & ADHD) and Good kid maad city. Loved Food and liquor (Hurt me soul), The cool (gold watch), Tetsuo & Youth, Drogas Wave (Listen to Alan Forever). Both artists are amazing. It's about time they colab.

Haven't had a chance to watch in a while. Happy to find this.

Short answer: listen to “Failure”

It amazes me how they still don’t have a million subscribers 🤦🏾‍♂️ Dehh is the truth.

This is a GREAT conversation piece! It 12 AM here and I had to hit my boys IMMEDIATELY to have our out discussion...

This was a good conversation. Both are amazing artist.

Aesop Rock vs Lupe is a way better discussion if you really want to get into complex raps.

@dadorage1695

3 жыл бұрын

Lupe and Ka too

@erboch7124

3 жыл бұрын

Eeeeexactly

@thatladfromsheffield

3 жыл бұрын

Doesnt he just rap random words that rhyme?

@dadorage1695

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatladfromsheffield No he doesn't

@thatladfromsheffield

3 жыл бұрын

@@dadorage1695 doesn't..like bossoms above the love muscle controlling bicentennial truffles like my penny is muffled?

I love the guy with the braids..Lyricism is about LYRICS and words.. delivery is not a metric to lyricism but more so to the overall artistry.. delivery, cadence, lyricism are separate components to a whole.

A Collab Will Come Out Of This I Cant Wait

Thank you Ken !!!

It's not that deep brothers. People in general see KDot as a hood lyricist like Nas while they see Lupe as a Poindexter type lyricist from coffee-houses when the truth is Lupe is more hood than most. He just grew up

@shabaclank3711

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t Even say that lmao Kendrick made fucking TPAB and DAMN there is nothing “hood” about either of these albums. I think Kendrick is a more well diverse and experimental lyricist than Lupe. Lupe to me is just backpack rap.. he puts words together in a way like you have to solve a 4000 piece puzzle.

@johnsondailysports1341

3 жыл бұрын

Right

@prasg1186

3 жыл бұрын

@@shabaclank3711 "Hood" compared to Lupe ofcourse.. right down to the album covers.. maybe not to somebody from the hood but majority of fans in general even Nipsey would be considered "hood".. Nas ain't hood either goin by your standards.. you don't need to Lil Boosie or Gucci mane to be considered "hood".. You don't see Kendrick makin songs like "old school love" or "bitch bad".. theres just a darker element to Kendrick's presentation that people gravitate towards that could be considered "hood" compared to Lupe's ways.. very adult contemporary sounding beats w/ alot of NYc jazzy elements to it much like Nas.. ask any 13 y o hip hop fan to listen to their shit & they'll go w/ K dot but Lupe is truly for the wise & the old souls.. has nothin to do w/ ''4000 piece puzzles'' ..how puzzling is 'Streets on Fire' or 'Atomic Misphilosophy'?? what kendrick song can hold a candle to these? theres 10s more produced on similar levels by Lupe & jbc the media doesn't play em don't mean shit.

@ImInYourBrains

3 жыл бұрын

@@prasg1186 When Nas was asked who reminds him of himself the most, he didnt say Kdot. He said Lupe.

@prasg1186

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImInYourBrains Yeah, no doubt; and I agree with that but I'm talkin bout the sounds & the type of beats they employ which plays a large part in influencing whether it will be be a hit on the ''radios''(capture the masses).

That would be "Lightwork" for Lupe ... the man Already" SLR 2'" ed K.Dot. for those who say different you can sit down and have a "Double Burger with Cheese" yall better Stop before y'all have ya boy hanging around like a "Strange Fruition". Lucky for y'all Lupe's on his "ITAL"(Roses). Let's paint you a "Mural", while a lot of y'all are "Prisoner 1 & 2" of the moment Lupe done Learned how to "Persevere" and Maintain his "Tranquillo". If y'all Don't understand the "Dots And Lines" don't say it's not "Hood Now" just admit you don't understand that man's "Body Of Work". "Form Follows Function" "Go To Sleep".

@sneak837

3 жыл бұрын

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@producedbykhireyakeem4340

3 жыл бұрын

Bro you did that shit man! You killed it

@justdewitt2140

3 жыл бұрын

@Produced By Khirey Akeem @@sneak837👀👀👀... They don't know

@BlackyVue

3 жыл бұрын

Fire 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 and they probably don't know the songs you referenced lol

@justdewitt2140

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackyVue unfortunately you're probably right, but ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Awesome vid, miss the convo videoes tbh, make room for these type of videoes again not just album reviews

They both in my Top 5. I enjoy conversations like these

I believe the delivery portion has always played a part. Part of the reason Biggie or Jay were considered great lyricist was their delivery and flow.

@joeyscribbles6220

3 жыл бұрын

no it has nothing do with delievery jay is a great lyricist, biggie really isnt.

@derekaddison4835

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyscribbles6220biggie was a lyricist. Are you serious? Don't be fooled by Juicy lol. Now was biggie on lupe's level lyrically? No, but neither is Jay.

@mizraimj

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyscribbles6220 Nah he's right. Biggie fooled so many people into thinking he's a top tier lyricist just by way of his amazing delivery.

@joeyscribbles6220

3 жыл бұрын

@@derekaddison4835 Bigge was not a great lyricist he was like Pac a good lyricist. The Machine and trickery of diddy has made him try to be more lyricial than what he was

@joeyscribbles6220

3 жыл бұрын

@@mizraimj P diddy influence, his flow, and east coast bias to go against Pac. Made Biiggie come off more lyrical than what he was Biggie was not close to Jay z in the lyricis department did he have songs where he go off? yes but that doesnt mean your great lyricist as other rappers have them to Funny thing is Pac has songs where he goes off lyrically to, even better than Big does. But Pac isnt praised or heralded for his lyrics as Biggie is. but lyricially both where close to each other both had a relatively similar style of rhyming. Gee I wonder why? LOL i think i already do know why tho

I'm bias because Lupe is my favorite rapper so you know who I'm going with.

Lupe's mixtapes have delivered the dopest lines I have ever heard. Theme music to a drive by is when I realized that andre 3000 had competition.

Why aren’t we at a million subs yet? Literally the best authentic podcast on the Tube✊🏽