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@kdoglouis1560

18 күн бұрын

That Jordan you flashed made my mouth water.

Your point of age base was why dealers did not buy a lot of vintage in 90s. As a dealer today this stuff just isn’t available. Collections walk in but it’s 1% of what walks in. I don’t think there’s a bubble, I think what we are seeing the true value being found with realization of how hard it is to obtain outside of large shows.

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

Good feedback and perspective! I'm open to hearing all sides

@AANCollect

19 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDad felt a dealer perspective may be a good add. A lot of dealers thought in the 90s the legends will be forgotten, because kids who never saw them play wouldn’t care. Baseball which is great at projecting the history of the game does much better than the other sports. And I believe older non sports is a huge opportunity today.

@JenniferMedina-bg1zb

19 күн бұрын

Vintage is literally everywhere. There’s no shortage at all. Anyone who feels it’s scarce isn’t getting out much

@chrisolivo6591

18 күн бұрын

@@AANCollect I think there is a big difference towards the history of Baseball when it comes to GenX and Millennials/GenZ. GenX was the last generation who grew up when Baseball was still routinely beating the NFL and NBA. I remember in the 80’s and even into the early 90’s, NFL games would shift their schedule around the World Series. Now it’s the opposite. I talk to my nephews and their friends (ages 17-25) and none of them care about the history of Baseball the way GenX did. When i was growing up, numbers like 56, 755, 2130, 511 and .406 were sacred to me. Young kids today don’t look at the MLB record book like that anymore. Partly because the Steroid Era made every record essentially have an asterisk so nobody even knows what the HR record is? Aaron Judge hits 62 Homeruns and is forgotten 2 years later. I worry about vintage cards when Millennials/GenZ get older and Baby Boomers die off. GenX will be the last generation that cares. Now of course there will always be exceptions like Ruth, Mantle, Wagner because those cards are bigger than the hobby. Ask any sports fan under 30 who Bob Gibson is? Frank Robinson? Jimmy Foxx? Lou Brock? Stan Musial? GenX reveres those players, yet i guarantee they are forgotten these days with Millennials/GenZ. It’s sad but it’s a reality. They look at sports history much differently than we do. And that will affect vintage cards in 20 years. Just look at every Vintage KZreadr, 99% of them are better the ages of 40-55 years old.

@AANCollect

17 күн бұрын

@@chrisolivo6591 you may be in a vacuum. Your putting personal experience above the entirety. Baseball is the best seller in cards (it’s not arguable) you are repeating what dealers said in the 90s. The players you named have never commanded big value in the card industry. Go to the mantles, the mays, the Clemente, the actual stars of the sport. Kids ask for them and know who they are. I see it every day in the shop, shows, and trade nights. Have to watch in the areas the hobby lives. Trust me, genz and millennials are buying just as much vintage as gen xers.

Let me take a hobby history view on this for a minute. The question of an aging collector base vs supply & demand from other generations is something we've been through before. Prior to the 1970's 90% of vintage cards were in the hands of 10% of collectors. Once our hobby pioneers starting to pass away, we saw more vintage out there, but that didn't mean that it was always affordable. Baseball Cards magazine ran an article in the spring of 81saying how shocked they were that vintage was spiking. We see in the early to mid 1980's where you could purchase 1933 Goudey Ruths for $60, and I've said that it was vastly easier to find and purchase certain cards when I first started out, and $60 for a Ruth in 1983 may sound cheap today, but financial data is relative. Factor in the inflation rate, how much was the average collector making financially in an hour or a week? My concern is when I got into vintage at 14, I wasn't in it for the money, and I did so because I found them to be an education for me going forward. I think we have to seperate vintage by pre-war and post war, Just how many of each is being bought and sold by demographic? And then there's actually interest and knowledge of the card and player. I believe that there are too many people in the hobby who are in it for all the wrong reasons, and by that, I mean for the money. I won't tell anyone how to collect, but if its solely for the money, there's going to be a quick burnout, I've also said too, that if I had to start over today, there's no way I would be able to. When it comes to vintage grades, most 1950's cards aren't difficult, and much of it is overinflated. With that said, there are still great deals, but you have to do your homework on the cards and players. True with pre-war. When I was in high school in the 90s, you could pick up T206, T205 commons for $5 and HoFers between $20 to $60 and most being about $40. Piedmont and Sweet Cap T206 aren't rare, just overinflated. Dutch is my favorite President outside William Howard Taft, so that's a great card! Sinatra is also in the 1947 and 48 Kwatta Chocolates and the 1955 Kanes Gum set. The T68 Heroes of History Abe Lincoln is from 1911. I took a reprieve from traditional sports cards to get into vintage Soccer, Cricket, Golf, Tennis and Boxing and Cinema Stars cards. The latter of which, you may enjoy 1928, 1934 and 1938 John Player's Film Stars sets. I'm going to say something really unpopular, but the only time I've gotten burned from a vintage card, is through ebay because of the quality of the photo provided. When you know what to look for and do your research, it becomes less of an issue. I know for certainty that I'd get burned with Modern because I don't know much about it.

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

Great stuff Ryan!

Edisports, who collect Gary Carter says the whole market will drop 40 % by 2027.

Good thought-provoking questions. We had a lot of youngsters running around the Fargo, ND, card show last weekend. Some were buying vintage. I got a lot of conversation out of my 1904 Sitting Bull SGC graded postcard. I've just started grading the old Indian Chief postcards, we'll see what happens. I've also graded a couple 1928 & 29 Men of America Bobby Jones booklets with Rogers Hornsby on the back, the rest of the set is famous Americans like Edison, Franklin, Walter Camp, Kennesaw Mountain Landis etc. I also just bought a 1940 Black Feet Indians of Glacier National Park print set. I will be doing a video on that in the near future.

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

Very cool man! Good to hear the younger gen is showing interest

Never thought of the 80s as vintage!! I’m buying PSA/SGC 8s of 1969-1972 non-rookie football and basketball HOFs-and those have big pops to be honest-but I’m a set collector and need them. I agree that buying mid-grade from this era is probably not wise for the long-term collector from a financial point of view.

I don't collect sports cards with the thought that they'll go up in value. I collect for the enjoyment of the card, the player, and the design. I have a graded 1972 Topps Roger Staubach rookie card, one of my proudest purchases. While it may go up in value, that's not why I bought it. Roger's a hero and a Cowboys legend. I have dozens and dozens of junk Cowboys cards that I've culled from 25 cent bins, and I admire them as much as I admire my graded 2020s Cowboys inserts and parallels. Nobody's gonna want my raw 1993 Pinnacle Troy Aikman card, nor should they. That's not the point. There's nothing wrong with buying cards as an investment piece, it's just not the primary reason why I collect.

@threeg6966

14 күн бұрын

VERY well said, my sentiments exactly.

The term "bubble" implies things are priced high and are about to crash right. You can get PSA 3's and 4's of someone like Ernie Banks for just above the price of grading. Seems like a great entry point for someone looking to get into vintage to me

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

Well said, you could be right!

I am almost 60 so my main collecting days were the 1970's. I own older cards too but I am getting to an age where I want a smaller collection so I will sell off the mid career cards of HOFers and buy or keep their Rookie Cards which I think will continue to hold value. I do agree certain players like Mantle, Aaron, Koufax, Clemente will continue to hold value. Very few Rookies from the 1980's - 2000's hold value with the exception of the GOATS like Jordan, Griffey, Jeter, Brady. Look at the Rookies from the 1990's...some great players but too much supply so they will never be valuable. Short-print and insert cards took off in the late 1990's so some rare cards of the GOATS should stay valuable.

Awesome that you left the blooper in! Makes your channel more relatable and that's why we watch!

@TheSportsCardDad

16 күн бұрын

Should I leave a blooper/mess up in every day? ;) Maybe I will

Literally half of the people I talked to at the last card show are all holding their big wembys and not even that big just silvers and variations...

Kind of contemplating when the early 2000's auto/HOF/GAME USED jersey stuff will obtain the 'vintage' designation. There's a lot of it that almost never surfaces, any longer, in any condition - outside of huge shows.

Vintage is always a great investment. Particularly the 50s-70s. There just isn’t as much of it comparatively speaking

For what Faulk accomplished, I think he's incredibly underrated. He's a top 10 running back in NFL history and his cards are very affordable. I wonder if people in the hobby will ever come around on greats like Faulk. I also heavily collect all time defensive legends like LT, Reggie, Bruce, and Aaron donald. They are incredibly underrated too IMO.

@renoraines6322

18 күн бұрын

Some buy Barry Sanders I buy Marshall Faulk. 1994 (Faulk RC year was my last year collecting b4 I picked up again in 2010. As much as his cards are underrated also makes him affordable.

@tiggerz3574

18 күн бұрын

Great message but disagree on reggie white his😊 value is alot because he died young and is very collectable in the team's he played for.

@bam92027

18 күн бұрын

​@@tiggerz3574If you are talking Reggie white autos, I absolutely agree with you but I've picked up some nice refractors of his raw for less than $20.

@bam92027

18 күн бұрын

​@@tiggerz3574Reggie White's 1986 Topps rookie card can also be had for well under $20 in pretty nice condition.

@NinjaSquirrel30

12 күн бұрын

Running back prestige isn't what it use to be thanks to GM and not paying star RB is a shame because why on earth would you want to be focusing on being a RB anymore going into college. So many iconic players and TD from beginning of NFL hopefully the dad's of young collectors can explain how great and important to the game and teams these former stars were

😂 love me bloopers interesting take. Although I don't collect vintage I'm most interested what will happen with modern with Gen X folks. Especially modern PSA 10s, anything less will be worthless unless it's extremely low population or rare parallels/inserts

Here is my quick thought while I am waiting for my food to arrive at work. I believe people are still not up-to-date on the vintage market as far as how much stuff is still out there. I use to think Michael Jordan cards will eventually stop going up but that hasn't happened. I know, not the best comparison. I guess when you look at the 90's and especially the last couple of years of the amount of product being produced. The vintage market still pales in comparison...Be a Blessing!!!

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

Great feedback, thank you! The collectibles market is certainly highly unpredictable

Not much will have value in the future, keep your eye on the world there will be only TRULY rare items like artwork and the game used ones that will never be cut up ever again, and the cards that will be very hard to find in great shape after not thinking of keeping in good condition that are 40 plus years old. Also there is a product called Jersey fusion watch out for those underrated and will be valuable and GREAT idea by the folks over there🎉🎉🎉

@mikecrow.1

18 күн бұрын

You lost all credibility when you started shilling that junk Fusion

@tiggerz3574

17 күн бұрын

@@mikecrow.1 To each his own, but I would rather buy proof of where the jerseys came from and SICK patches that are made in a very state of the art way, and are listening to the collectors, but by all means buy from the overproducers it's a ship that is already sinking, 🥶

Do those slab mags fit in a standard storage box?

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

Not sure Ben, would have to see what your standard storage box looks like

@BenDMitchell

18 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDad they are just standard BCW boxes

Thank you for the insight I love me some vintage cards LOL...⚾️😎👍💥

Wow! Ballsy even for me. Wishing you all the best 👍🏼

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

Whats ballsy?

@true_rcs

19 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDad anything that flirts with speaking negatively about vintage.

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

@@true_rcs well, it would be a sad state of affairs if we can't have rational discussions on hobby topics of all types. You've probably learned I'm not afraid to challenge hobby 'norms'

@true_rcs

18 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDad we are two beans in the same pod when it comes to challenging norms. IMO The vintage era, in baseball especially, is unique in what the game of baseball meant to fans and our nation. It was Americas past time, fans took the game seriously and created deeply rooted fandom of the Legends of this era. Vintage future looks very bright, many young collectors just depends on your what circle of influence you put yourself in.

Is this turning into TheSportsCardDadInvestment channel? Lol You seem to really focus on value more than enjoyment of the hobby. I get that no one wants a worthless collection or to get ripped off, but a collection needs to be more than just, how much can i get for this if i want to sell it 5 years from now. How about a video on some dumb fun purchases you know isn't going to raise in price, something that means a lot to you?

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

hmm I just bought a complete set of 1989 Hoops basketball, maybe that will be a video for next week

@MasterShake300

19 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDad Nice! I like it! :D Old school Hoops is classic!

I really hope so but I doubt it. Enough people just want the card and don’t care about a small wrinkle or round corners. Plus the more established people that buy them naturally have more disposable income.

@vintagesportscards8265

19 күн бұрын

Also some of this stuff hasn’t moved. I could have picked up a 66 Ernie Banks for 20$ 20 years ago. Today I still can

The oldest gen x-er is 59 today, 55 year olds aren’t boomers these days. Time flies.

Speculation long term in pokemon booster boxes. Profit from pokemon wasted on jordan and shaq.😅

Cracked, soaked, pressed, trimmed 9.5

More Easter egg please and less ads 😂

Dammit Alf! Stop knocking over the camera!

There is no bubble. No one wants guys like Fergie Jenkins, Jim Bunning, Luis Aparicio, etc. unless they are for a set. The low end vintage of the stars sell because that's what the average person can afford. Most people can't afford a PSA 7-8 of a Mantle. If anything, as more people realize that this new stuff is crap, those that stay in the hobby will turn to vintage to buy the mid-to-low grade vintage. I am seeing this often, as younger collectors are buying more and more vintage. That being said, I don't think the prices are all that crazy for lower grade vintage.

Excellent video as usual; thanks.

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

What up SCD

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

What up?!??!

@PickSixCards

19 күн бұрын

@@TheSportsCardDadworking…. Looking for Stingleys… normal Day

Low-grade vintage is obtainable. More people can afford to buy it. The biggest stars of the 1950s-1990s baseball meant more to pop culture than many of today's stars due to fractured media and television rights. It's less speculative than modern cards and a better store of value. I would be more concerned about graded population counts as a modern collector/TCG collector versus a vintage collector.

@TheCardHunter

19 күн бұрын

And China keeps making more and more great vintage every year 😂

Baby Boomers are 60 and older currently. I’m 56, and happily, a Gen X’er!

@TheSportsCardDad

19 күн бұрын

Yes Gen X! I meant to add that in

NO - no one will care.

Bobby Hebert has got to be getting residual checks from this channel.

@TheSportsCardDad

18 күн бұрын

lol

Most vintage are not rare!

@ACD1994

19 күн бұрын

Rarity is part of it. But not all of it. Just my opinion though, the best way to keep vintage cards and players relevant, is to continue talking about the history of the cards and players.

@bobbymo3591

19 күн бұрын

@@ACD1994that applies to everything else, so why not focus on what’s more relevant to today? Not opposed to vintage, but I don’t get the argument from that crowd as to if everyone buys it and talk positively about it, it will go up. But they call the very same premise about modern as a pump and dump

@Kenneth-nVA

18 күн бұрын

Cards to me are like songs. 1975 was my first completed set. When I see 70’s cards it takes me back to good times with my friends, playing wiffle ball or just reading the backs ( stats) in my room at night… also playing strat o matic.