Sol Invictus wasn’t even celebrated on December 25th until over a century after our earliest records of Christmas being celebrated on that day

@gusgus1816

6 ай бұрын

Exaaaaactly!

As persians we actually have ritaul called Yalda night which is around Dec 25 and we consider it the longest night of the year. We celebrate this night since tomorrow sun gonna rise again and the days will become longer. So it’s a rebirth of sun or Mithra. This is an ancient ritual.

@urielm774

3 ай бұрын

December 20/21*

While there isn't evidence to link him to Mithra / Mithras himself there is plenty of evidence to show that much of Mithraism and their rituals and certain cosmological understandings as well as rank structure was absorbed by the Church when it merged the Sol Invictus cult with the Mithras into the Church.

@Rossion64

3 жыл бұрын

True

@Susieq26754

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we know they tried to blend it into the religion. Christmas mass through Popery. Everyone knows that. Jesus wasn't born on Dec.25. SURPRISE! No offense but even comparing man made religion with The Most High God is laughable. Jesus Christ is the Temple and He works through men and women through His Holy Spirit.

@McAulay99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Susieq26754 Mithra is more ancient than your Christ.

@Susieq26754

2 жыл бұрын

@@McAulay99 Not possible. Because Jesus Christ is Almighty God. He created the heavens and the earth. Your Mithra came from Lucifer. A rebellious angel who God also created.

@McAulay99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Susieq26754 You don't worship God, you worship a petty jealous daemon called Yahweh.

Everything seems to have very deep roots... We generally speak of trees but it's mostly branches of the same one.

@MoReal2

Жыл бұрын

eloquently said

Let's find out."

@teedawg771

3 жыл бұрын

Varg

I appreciate this analysis. Interesting stuff

I heard that Mithra killing the bull symbolised the ending of the age of Taurus

@FortressofLugh

2 жыл бұрын

Doubtful. Much more likely is it represents a version of the Indo-European genisis myth.

@Willesden_Rab1_TV

3 ай бұрын

roughly 1500 BC so yes killing bull = end of the age of Taurus . that makes sense to me bro

@user-je4xp5hq2e

Ай бұрын

I also read that not only the bull representing Taurus, but the other animals depicted in the slaying were the constellations or zodiacs at the time of equinox or solstice, I can't remember. Fascinating stuff... maybe Mithras is the real energy behind the end (reset) of the age/world and rebirth of the "new."

In this world where people desire to believe bad things about good people so badly that they work hard deceiving themselves and others in their disimulations... Great call! Studying Zietgiest part 1 reveals that the sources they used for making claims that Jesus was plagiarized, were written by one or two people using various pen names, making unsubstantiated claims, and referencing their own books that they wrote in different names for "proof." I give thanks for a little bit of fellowship with a man who shares the mind of God. I thank you, the Spirit of Truth rejoices in your labour of love, and I'm glad I subscribed to this channel now; because you're one of the few people I have found who watched Zietgiest but see the truth ~

Very good presentation!

The fact that the Frenchman who came up with this comparison supported the French Revolution already raised a red flag for me even before you mentioned the part about him just making up stuff when it suited him.

@buddybaldur768

3 жыл бұрын

@Name Here Both are slave mindsets as well according to nietzsche

The Haudenosaunee had similar beliefs. A saviour born of a virgin who had a feast and saved the people. Personally, I believe as a Christian Mystic that Jesus the Christ has had many formes throughout the Earth, seeing as He is a flesh-forme of the Holy Spirit. I find strength in my Christian faith having many likenesses across the world... it only proves a collective human understanding of somd kind of truth, whatever it may be. Interesting video mate, love your content.

@asiag6863

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Though I'm not Christian I hold an identical view

@rasmusaastedtager4986

3 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with christianity or most other religions and I believe they holds many faults, yet I must say I really like your point of view and in a way I belive it to have some kind of beauty to it. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

@seang8585

3 жыл бұрын

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@seang8585

3 жыл бұрын

Each were born from a virgin mother; the story of Moses being floated down the Nile in a reed basket is identical to Osiris when he was also floated down the Nile in a basket, as was Gilgamesh down the Tigris, a similar incident happened to Krishna, and Faustulus found Remis and Romulus as infants down by the Tiber river suckling milk from the teat of the she-wolf Lupa meaning "wolf".

@theknave4415

3 жыл бұрын

Also, see: "Child cast adrift" motif or archetype in ancient history.

December 25th wasnt even the birth of christ. Its the germanic festival yuletide

@Larrypint

3 жыл бұрын

Die Zeit zwischen dem 24. Dezember und dem 6. Januar, an der nach germanischer Auffassung die Sonne stillstand.

@gorthaurthecruel3493

3 жыл бұрын

25th of December in specific is actually the date of the Roman festival we know to be called “Saturnalia”. The early Hebrew Christians who infiltrated Rome, took the Saturnalia festival and made it Christmas, the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. They did this because they knew it would be easier to mix pagan traditions rather than simply inject new religion into Roman life. Yuletide is also celebrated in late December but over a large period of days, not just one day as the Romans had with Saturnalia.

@InhabitantOfOddworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@gorthaurthecruel3493 Close, it was Sol Invictus that was dated Dec 25. I think they're similar festivals but not identical

@akrobatish

Жыл бұрын

@@gorthaurthecruel3493 saturnalia was a week long and ended dec 25.

@akrobatish

Жыл бұрын

The pagan celebration of the Roman god, Saturn, first began as a single day, but later extended to a whole week during the late Republic. The festival began on December 17 of the Julian calendar, which the Romans used in those days, and initially ended on December 25, the time at which the winter solstice fell. During the celebration period, all activities came to a halt. Businesses, courts, schools, and other social patterns were suspended while people spent time doing more fun activities. Slaves were allowed to take part in the celebration and even reversed roles with their masters. Feasting, playing, gambling, singing, exchanging gifts and home decorations were some of the activities people enjoyed doing during this time. Thus, the Saturnalia celebrations are the source of many traditions associated with Christmas.

The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku has refreshing new evidence of the theory linking Christ with Dionysus. Although, the grander focus of the book revolves around the ancient methods of brewing of beer and wine. From Gobleke Tepe to Christ, the many fungi and other implicit geological ingrediants have helped us experience the Divine and Meta Divine, and have actually pulled us together through civilization. I believe Mithra also had a Blood or Wine Rite.

@tophers3756

3 жыл бұрын

What are good credentials?

Great, good research !

Thank you for this

Two disadvantages of the Mithras cult were sacrificing bulls and exclusion of women. The cult of Christ made him the Lamb of God and thus abolished the old animal sacrifices, and welcomed women and all others.

@InhabitantOfOddworld

3 жыл бұрын

Hardly major disadvantages. How many Christians still consume beef? Of what notable difference is there, between sacrifice for God and sacrifice for your own consumption? Exclusion of women isn't entirely a bad thing, either. There exists a solid correlation between their involvement and the worsening of any given situation.

@atheodorasurname6936

3 жыл бұрын

@@InhabitantOfOddworld Just in case u hadn't noticed, Christians generally distinguish between themselves and their god. And besides that, their religion, while abolishing animal sacrifice, did not forbid eating animals. .... Corrupt male power systems wait until things are getting bad, then cede power to aggressively ambitious leaders of political factions pretending to represent all women and oppressed minority groups, so that the old corrupt male power structure can blame the mess on women and the minorities and then take power back again.

@atheodorasurname6936

3 жыл бұрын

@UCn5XozE0uqWYvLj2--tCSYg I never said any such thing. YOU are "one of those people" who tries to put words in other people's mouths or even thinks they can read their thoughts. Please don't do that. It's not only a sign of limited intellect and desperation, but bad manners. 😆

@InhabitantOfOddworld

3 жыл бұрын

@@atheodorasurname6936 You're putting the cart before the horse. The "male power system" corrupted BECAUSE of female vote and mass migration. Keep showing us your low IQ. Take power back? That isn't happening you clown. Fixing society isn't allowed anymore. We have to pretend whamen and poc = good.

@lanazak773

Ай бұрын

@@atheodorasurname6936unlikely

I cannot speak for other Christians, but there is nothing offensive about your analysis of Christ's role as it relates to Mithras/other mythological figures. On the contrary, you put quite eloquently and with the utmost respect the universality of the need of man for reconciliation with the divine. Whether you call that divinity God in the Judeo-Christian sense, or the universe or karma etc, etc, doesn't matter so much as the principle of the power of covenants, and the honouring of one's contractual/moral responsibilities to that power and to our fellow man and to nature more generally. Your video was well spoken and well researched. Thank you for the care and effort you put into this and your other videos.

I am looking for as much information as I can find about Mithira as my 34 year old son thinks he is Mithira reborn to this world because he will come into his power soon and bring about the end of the world. Yeah, that is what I am dealing with. Drug use is an ugly monster and it messes up your brain so bad you start to think you are dead gods. So as much information as I can find on this subject would be great.

@elizabethkoch5048

3 жыл бұрын

Where are you from if you dont mind me asking Elizabeth?

@edmckay8001

2 жыл бұрын

Religious delusions are closely related to mental illness not necessarily drug use. The drug use is a symptom.

The are sources other than Dupuis. ;) I wouldn't say "Jesus" was 'identical', but christians did adopt some Mithraic practices. Remnants of Mithraic ceremonies are still in use by christians, today. St. Augustine also inserted more than a bit of his earlier Manicheism into his works.

Yet another excellent vid. The interpretation of Christianity as a transformative religion as opposed to a legalistic one was i thought particularly astute. I have heard many moderns who deny the historicity of Jesus equate him with Mithras. Horseshit of course. The Warlord serirs by Bernard Cornwell( ?) Has some interesting reconstructions of Mythriac cult. Solders from one end of the Roman empire to the other built underground temples-mythraeum- all across europe and it seems that most of our modern knowldge of cultic pratices come from clues gleamed from these. Why would a non-chthonic god have such underground cave like places of worship? I find that bizar. Im not aware of any primary source material that explain the mysteries of the ritual. Id like to know about them if some such exist. Perhaps the cult's popularity among soliders is explained by Mythra's function as a keeper of contracts and patron of male frindship? Thanks for all the hard work u put into these vids. Its important that knowledge of this kind be brought out of the university's ivory towers and made available to the people. Bravo!

@jonathanmillner

Жыл бұрын

? This seems pretty straight forward... They were persecuted. It wasn't a sponsored religion of the Roman Empire and hence was open to potential attack, and it also was attacked by Christians around the 4th century, when Christianity was just starting to really get a foothold. What do persecuted people do? They hide. Like underground like the Mithras, or in an attic like Anne Frank, or in the mountains like Osama Bin Laden. It's not a reflection of their religious beliefs. It's a reflection of their religion operating at the fringes of a hostile society, and often like early Christianity, not socially condoned. Also, some of the arguments here... kinda weak sauce. Like... saying there is no tie between Christ and Mithra because there is no evidence for Mithra being born on Dec. 25th like Jesus. Like... huh? Last I checked, there's no evidence Jesus was born on the Dec. 25th either... We just picked that date. In fact, Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th and quite frankly, not only is there heated debate as to the actual day he was born, but most scholars seem to think that Jesus was born somewhere between 4-7BC. Isn't that a good laugh? A calendar based on your birthday, and it's like years off, so... Christ was born years BC, "Before Christ." Imagine you are Christ, and your disciples are writing down all this stuff you are saying, but nobody bothers to ask Jesus when his birthday is... and so no one writes it down.... and then 2,000 years later, they're still celebrating your birthday. In fact, it's the biggest holiday of the year in many countries! And it's all completely wrong and it's so long ago now, historians have a hard time piecing together exactly when it had likely occurred... Jesus is probably sitting there thinking... "You guys said you cared about me. Don't you remember your friends birthdays? Especially mine perhaps? Bunch of dolts... I told Mathew to put my birthday on the calendar! It'll be a day to remember I said! Then blah blah blah last supper, blah blah blah, resurrection, blah blah blah, everyone forgot my birthday. Thanks a lot Matt!"

@jonathanmillner

Жыл бұрын

@@Silence_between_waves ya... i see mithra and jesus and god himself in MLK too. It hardly seems prophetic... Seems more like a great compliment... nobody is wandering the streets prophesying MLK as a messiah even though we are told of the messiah's return. Why? Mostly because like Jesus, he was, and still is, in our racist world, controversial even though he was preaching the same message. We still killed him for the message none the less.

@acropolismauve8496

11 ай бұрын

@sydmccreath4554So one spelling mistake invalidates his argument? Don’t be so arrogant, for all we know English might not be his first language.

someone's a fan a certain norse cowboy in beautiful colorado-wyoming

@zaciroth

3 жыл бұрын

Fortress of Lugh has better material than he does.

Hello there i found your channel yesterday and I subscribe i must say this is absolutely fascinating subject however all three abarhamic religion's all have roots in pagen belief Looking forward to your next content By the way excellent presentation ♥️💖💕👍

in the Hindu scripture Srimad-Bhagavatam Third Canto Volume 1 which describes the creation of a cosmic form verse 20 says: gudarh purhso vinirbhinnarh mitro lokesa avisat payunarhsena yenasau visargarh pratipadyate TRANSLATION: The evacuating channel separately became manifest, and the director named Mitra entered into it with partial organs of evacuation. Thus the living entities are able to pass stool and urine.

great breakdown

@jdd8687

3 жыл бұрын

since you said that the bull could be Soma and Jesus himself comes to take the place of the sacrificed animal, it is interesting that there are some other possible comparisons of Jesus to the bull god Serapis (bull form of Osiris, or the Egyptian equivalent of Dionysus aka the Soma god). It is almost like Jesus comes to stand in the position of Mithras AND the Bull, Mithras + Soma, the combination of the two turns it into a self-sacrifice. though connections to multiple other pre-christian gods are probably also possible.

Mithra is an old Vedic God. The original God(s) mentioned in Vedas along with Indra, Varuna etc. Namo Mithraya 🙏

There's so much argument about the validity of Jesus, but he sure wiped out the slaying of innocent animals for literally no reason.

Pontifex Maximus builder of bridges between men and Gods,hecate temples had a three tear temple worship platform sacrifice altar and temple atop,interesting topic thank you for sharing.

Fortress of Lugh, offending one religion doesn't really matter. Being offended is a choice, it doesn't really matter if they this or that, if you believe in your religion, you dont care, otherwise when someone feels offended , it is sign that the person finds truth in the opposing arguments, and wants to shut down that person.

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

The point is, many are piling on Christians now and I don't want to be seen as being part of that and it is not my intention.

@sithounetsith9877

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh You are right !

I mean as a Christian I believe he is real but all we even still physically know about Jesus's existence is a series of records from the Romans.

@spyroninja

Жыл бұрын

Uhh, and the Bible? And the Jews?

@gusgus1816

6 ай бұрын

Thank u Christian, that's a first. Even the "records" have holes aaaall thru them. Im not a christian but ive studied it and the time period leading up to, and other religions, especially esoteric history, and I STILL don't exactly know. All signs point to the man with this title never historically existing, but whatever happened at the time had this huge impact on the whole of humanity in a specific way, no doubt. The corruption of the church leads most people to not even look far into it, or care, when they should. Please start studying astrotheology.

a good and unbiased analysis

“To go against that cosmic ordering is sin.” ( ........... )

6:25 he says Corn came out of the bull. I'm sure he meant to say wheat. If you look at the sculpture the bulls tail is obviously wheat. Corn was not introduced to the area until after the it was discovered in North America. Corn can even be found in some translations of the Bible due to a German mistranslation.

4:20 It looks like he's being born from an egg there.

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

Generally agreed by scholars it is a stone. Likely it represents a cosmic center, akin to the stone at Delphi.

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

Actually you are on to something. In some cases it does seem to be an egg. The iconography is not ironclad consistent and after you posted this I did come across one example of such. I think the example shown was supposed to be a stone but it is perhaps ambiguous.

@dronedruid153

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh Cool, that's interesting.

@paulohagan3309

3 жыл бұрын

Before Lugh said anything, I had the same thought

I come from an Orthodox Christian background and Eastern Orthodoxy is definitely a mystery reigion-indeed the Sacraments are called Mysteries(in stricter Orthodox groups, catechumens and non-Orthodox are asked to leave the Church before the Liturgy of the Faithful which culminates in the Consecration and the Holy Mystery of Communion). Othodox worship, however, is much more tied to Judaism than Mithraism. Our Temples are laid out closer to the Temple in Jerusalem than a Mithraeum. We've even retained the curtain that concealed the Holy of Holies, though it is opened during the Liturgy of the Faithful just as the curtain of the Temple was torn in two at the moment of Christ's Death. I'm not saying that minor elements may not have been absorbed from Mithraism, but the bulk of Orthodox worship comes from Temple worship. Thank you for an interesting yet respectful presentation.

Were Yashua and Mary Magdalene together the Christ consciousness? Balance between the divine masculine and divine feminine.

Mithras. Dionysis. Zagrus. Jesus. Whatever name you want to use.

@TheRealTrucido

14 күн бұрын

Completely different stories. We know who Jesus is. It's a historical fact. And no, he wasn't other people or Gods before him.

More similar to Buddha. Forget all of the absurdly similar life details, they both offered salvation, one from hell, the other from samsara.

@thedukeofchutney468

Жыл бұрын

To be fair the Buddha himself rejected the notion that he offered salvation and merely said he was enlightened to the truth through wish one could use to leave samara on their own. Christ on the contrary stated that he himself was the salvation and nothing else. It would be like if you were lost on a forest. The Buddha would claim to be a man who points you towards the nearest trail out. Jesus would claim to be the path itself.

@misterauctor7353

Жыл бұрын

Nope.

corn??? Corn from this part of the world. Corn didn't exist in europe, asia, africa, or middle east

Are the Smurfs based on Mithra?

Hey thank you for the video. Ive found these other 3 follow the same descriptions as Jesus = Horus, Krishna, Dionysius. Hopefully we all can get the truth one day on who REALLY is Jesus. (Supposedly hes alive, probably with his master Babaji on India)

@polishrepublic5055

6 ай бұрын

Jesus is Dionysus in metaphors about wine.

"Hey! It Smee!! Smee? Smees Me!!!" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You can have a choice of two trucks a Chevy or a GMC... whaddya mean they're exactly alike ? Just because they were both born at the church of the Holy sepulchre , the wise men said Jesus was a returning king ? Just 'cause Mithras just happened came out of a Gold encrusted hole in the ground at the very spot they claim Jesus was born ? You don't think Jesus was put on top of Mithras to sell him to the Romans ?

Very Celtic music.

@peterhoulihan9766

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure about the rest, but from 19:20 on it's "We Three Kings" being played on what I think is a hurdy gurdy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Three_Kings

Intresting that there is no evidence of Jesus or mithra being born on December 25th .

They're all symbols representing the first born Divine Male.

The important thing is that the belief of love worship or ( Mithra) is 7000 years Old and it was a persian belief and came from Iran , and many other beliefs such as Jews and Chiristinity, which have no evidence or historical doucuments , copied the love belief of the persians ( Mitra) with changes and this They have created false religions derived from the seal ( Mitra)

I don't know... The idea that Lugh lives on in some aspect of Jesus is very important, and useful, for us in reintroducing Lugh to the world and the 'people'.

Definitely not identical

Didn't Julian regard Mithras as a hypostasis of the One?

@Rossion64

3 жыл бұрын

@@watermelonlalala I think the Julian system had Zeus as the second hypostasis and the Mother of the Gods as the World Soul, but in the interests of ecumenism he could identify the Intellect with Mithras or other suitable names. I thought David Ulanesy had an interesting take on Mithras as a Stoic cosmic deity. I love Platonism. It's pretty much what I believe myself. Thanks for the reply

@Rossion64

3 жыл бұрын

@@watermelonlalala that's right. The second Hypostasis is the Creative Intellect, and it is also the realm of Being. The Gods subsist from the Creative Intellect who is given the name of various Creator Gods. I think Julian variously identifies him with Zeus or Helios (I think Helios is probably Zeus's manifestation as Julian's patron, but it's not entirely clear). The saviour aspect of the Intellect could then reasonably be called Mithras. It's a fairly open system in regards to names since all things are founded and subsist from the One.

Jesus was probably not Mithra but he definitely was Saoshyant Saoshyant is the savior prophecy in zoroasgrian mythology, they are both born of virgin mothers (jesus is joined with the 3 wise men Magi, the zoroastrian preists). They both fight in the end times with the anti christ/ahriman in zoroastrianism case and usher in a new age.

Lets ask ourselves if we were living in an empire dominated by might is right and a cult of sun worship such that even our military institutions were infused with respect for the god of the sun, and then if gradually we all one by one came to believe that the world of empire and power that we inhabited was upside down and actually best understood as a charade of false gods of power and that the true meaning of our lives was illuminated by a lowly carpenter who sacrificed his life for all and who taught that power is corrupt and true honor is in doing good then there would necessarily be a need to reorganize what we used to worship with the new. Roman officers of the army would begin to rethink their cult and syncretization would start in the first and second century. Gradually the two would start to look like each other until the one that was old and just hanging on disappears in a flash.. It could even happen at the battle of milvian bridge.

They're not identical, but obviously Mithraism influenced christianity a lot. In Iran we still celebrate the birth of Mithras on the winter solstice, which is very close to Christmas. 40 days after the winter solstice we have a fire festival called the Sadeh, suspiciously also some branches of christianity have a fire festival 40 days after Christmas. I know at least Armenians and some Germanics did this

Zarathustra

The idea of a king of kings is necessary to unite all other kings who otherwise would be at war with one another. The individual is king.

Love this channel. Tired of this topic. Short answer is no.

Why Mithras sound so vedic ? I knew it he was Mithra ,Ravi ,Surya , Aditya

yup they the same just different perspectives of the same thing

(Copy of my comment on another of this series) *Preface:* Scholars verify that Jesus was a real individual in the era, they largely agree that "we likely don't have an authentic description of his comprehensive work, specific objectives, and personal life", although it may exist and be emerging through research on finds and more finds to emerge. This reflects my own studies and research, I remain most postive/optimistic that the greater facts are manifesting. Copy: Wisdom requires Conscious Thought and application of the Higher Mind. Accuracy requires fact information and the knowing of it ... We are only as correct as our foundation information we operate from. My summation: The confusion is central to Constatine. I feel (my hypothesis) the Priests consciously based their efforts towards pleasing Constatine and it resulted in the reflection of the merging Pagan accommodations to the Christain faith, and it results then having an image of this subject reflects in the whole. It is worth noting "what are Stories of Jesus and what is reflected in the Bible, being 2 separate subjects", this resolved then helps clarify in a greater degree. Further, that variation of interpretating the content, is clearly a measure of the debates, as the literal (Fundamentalists) are observable in a desire to "judge". Judging is of the Ego Mind. The Higher Mind being the area of unconditional ....

Long story short... Maitreya and Mithra are identical in Central Asia sources.

As a Christian, I believe that many of the roles and stories of other pagan gods are simply a corruption of the one true God's story that was foretold and prophesied from the time of first men, Adam and Eve. That the stories or roles of these other gods find similarities with Christ is not unexpected or a coincidence at all, but is to be expected.

@Dymez187

Жыл бұрын

Christ has similarities with old pagan gods, these pagan gods already been around before Christ, So it is coincidence.

@misterauctor7353

Жыл бұрын

@@Dymez187 No evidence for your claim.

@dydesyarifuddin715

9 ай бұрын

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@gusgus1816

6 ай бұрын

Your reworked fables are the corruption, made for the purpose of power and control, not for worship of the Source, and bcuz so many of u have been so blindly brainwashed - its obviously worked very well.

Almost everything you read on that list is describing Jesus Most just are not aware of certain often ignored verses like when Jesus said bring forth to me any of those that don’t believe in me and MURDER them in front of me! Jesus said that yes in deed…. The rest of the list fits as well Luke 19:27 is the above loose quote I gave..

How can you maintain that there is no relation between Mithra and Jesus after having pointed out so many convergences?😂 Ok, so there is no actual link in the historical record. But could it be that absence of evidence is no evidence of absence in this case? Another interesting explanation would be that Christ and Mithra fulfill the same Archetypal function, so the link between them is spiritual, not enpirical. That would explain why they came to the fore around the same time (as their archetype moved into the centre of the psyche)

Constantine noted all these details about mithras and used it to mold christianity and unite people under him. Mithras goes back thousands of years and predates Jesus.

It would seem awfully convenient that the holiday of the invincible sun should fall on the winter solstice if this is not actually intended. The winter solstice has holidays in most major religions due to it being a universally observed event, so the dating of one holiday doesn't have to indicate a connection to another, but the significance of this is nonetheless likely. It would appear highly logical that any sun god should have a meaningful connection to this day, and Christmas being dated to it is almost certainly determined by its already established significance in other religions in this manner. The virgin birth motif, if it has an external origin, likely stems from the Zoroastrian prophecy of a Saoshyant being born by a virgin as well. I wouldn't take foreign influence to be necessary for the development of such a myth, since divine parentage is also a pretty universal idea(Alexander the Great was considered as literally the son of Zeus to at least some extent), but other indications of Zoroastrian influence make it possible. As someone else here mentioned, the three Magi indicate both a degree of awareness of Zoroastrianism by early Christian leaders and are likely intended to present Jesus as a Saoshyant, or at least appeal to Zoroastrian sensibilities. None of this connects to Mithras though. Nonetheless, I find it inevitable that rival mystery cults should influence each other, with the communion meal detail surprising me as I was not aware of this before. An activity of this sort is likely advantageous as it strengthens the community, and could have been adopted by either in response to the other, though I feel the evidence is in favour of Christianity having it first on account of the last supper.

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

But there is no evidence that Sol's celebration was linked to Mithras, who is not the sun, is often invoked separately or joined, and in all important iconography is shown to be distinct but closely related.

@Supahdenning

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh Sure, that checks out.

@InhabitantOfOddworld

2 жыл бұрын

I think the take-home point is that rather than pinpoint a specific influence, we instead confirm that Jesus' story is not unique. Many different cultures had tale of a virgin-born hero. Divine heritage is another common idea. So too is that of sacrifice. Again, so is resurrection. Whether Christianity was the first to stitch them all together is almost irrelevant, because each component is almost certainly not unique.

@Supahdenning

2 жыл бұрын

@@InhabitantOfOddworld Christians would tell you this is evidence in favour of their religion, rather than showing it to be surprisingly generic. As a whole, I am impressed by Christianity's close resemblance to the phenomenon of Chinese salvation cults that periodically spawned throughout their history.

@InhabitantOfOddworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@Supahdenning Christians will say anything, largely out of confirmation bias and otherwise being reasonably dense

Inanna went to the Great Below, was hid on her head and struck dead, was hung upside down, after three days rose up and became enligtened 4000bce; Horus had his eyes plucked out, was left on the crossroads, after three days rose again becoming enlightened 1500bce; Krishna was tied to a tree, killed in the side by an arrow, after three days rose again and became enlightened 500bce; Jesus was nailed to a cross, hit in the side by a spear, after three days rose again and became enlightened 33 ce. There is a bit of a pattern. Having a path of suffering, being wounded and killed, rising being reborn, seeing the world as it is and becoming enlightened. After the Bronze Age Collaps the mythology of enlightement have become men. Before that event it was man for the twelve chthonic aspect of the twelve zodiac houses and the womam for the sun. After the Bronze Age Collaps it became merged in a trinity. Mind (the Father/Water), Emotion (Spirit/Fire), Action (the Son/Fire and Water). Example: Ausir, Auset, Horus. The Hebrews had Yaweh, Azsherah, Baal. The occult that created the 'Hebrew' bible created IsRaEl, Isis-Hathor/Ra/El (Mother, birth, spirit/ divine father, creator/ inner god of each person, rebirth). The Romans wanted to bring back the spirit in the 'Hebrew' Faith which had been made void of the goddess. The Gospel was their reply. The Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Son who taught compassion instead of pure intellect. For the religions in question one has to study the occult symbolism to understand what they actually tell us.

@jdoc3118

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you equate mind to water and emotion to fire ? In all traditions it is the opposite so what gave you th6is idea?

@hueym2196

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdoc3118 In the Khem traditions the Nun is the primal water which contracts to all thoughts. When it refines it becomes Apep, primal thought followed by Amum the refined thought who came from the whirls of Apep. Same goes for the Mesopotamian Tiamat the goddess of the primal waters. The god of wisdom for instance in the Sumerian traditions is the god of fresh waters Enki. As for fire it is fire that brings spirit. One can see that with Seth as he burns with emotions as he scourges the desert. One can see with the Christian tradition that the apostles have flames above their heads filled with the Holy Spirit. Where fire is knowledge is part as I can recall with the Zoroaster tradition and Satanism for instance where Lucifer is the illuminated one, the lightbringer, the carrier of the flame of knowledge.

@Mo_loves_aisha-6yoBTW

3 ай бұрын

@@hueym2196the nun is the whale who holds the planet earth in Islam

@hueym2196

3 ай бұрын

@@Mo_loves_aisha-6yoBTW Yes however the Nun of the Ancient Egyptians go back 3000 bce. Mo his Nun is from around the 7th century ce.

@Mo_loves_aisha-6yoBTW

3 ай бұрын

@@hueym2196 he literally copied everything from everywhere 🤣

Can't be corn that is coming out of the bull. Would have to be wheat or lentils. Cause Europeans didn't have corn till the engilush etc started coming this way in about 1300's or 1400's

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

Friend, Corn is a word used for all cereals, only in America does it only mean "corn"

@cognitiongnosis7313

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh thanks for the heads up on it. Looked up the etymology of the word. After you had let me know. Guess with the modern idea pd the word "corn" it has lost it's original meaning. It was cool to read the word comes from old English and old Norse. Thanks again for the info. I greatly appreciate it. Always good to learn and expand on knowledge

Glad you cleared up the controversy, you could have stopped there and not gone on to preach for 15 minutes.

@akrobatish

Жыл бұрын

lmao butthurt?

oh Mithras is not Indian god!! he is persian god!

Exist documents who prove the existence of Jesus, already mithra don't never who prove the her exostence.

1793? Dude, Thomas Paine was talking about this in the 1760s

Jesus Christ of the israelites , was NOT a caucasian man... Peace 🕊️

There is also no evidence for Jesus being born on the 25 of December.

No.

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th either so there is that

Mithra is not a He, it is moe a She. Mithra is name of so many girl in today's Iran. so many elements are borrowed from Mithraism, like Red collor in christmas, which is the Theme of Yalda Night almost the same time as christmas, or Last supper. The carving of last supper of Mithra from 6000 years ago still exists and ...... in Persian Mithr is equivalent of todays Persian Mihr/Mehr which means love and affection.

Unfortunately, your presentation isn't based on enough research. There are a lot of resources telling exactly the same facts that you're denying. Of course, there are definitely so many additions through the centuries to the original fact, and that might be the cause of your doubts. On the other hand, Mithraism has brought to Europe by roman soldiers from Iran and the Constantin, the first Roman emperor who converted to Christianity, was a believer in Mithraism. It is discussed that after he was forced to convert, he actually brought many of the mithraic ceremonies to Christianity. There is definitely proven that Mithra was believed to have been born on December 21st. after the longest night of the year, bringing light and love to the world. This birth has been celebrated for thousands of years in Iran and is called"Yalda". This night had been honored with a cedar tree, decorated with red strings, and a golden star at the top! The cedar symbolizes immortality because it never died during the winter. The colors of this night are green and red, and at this night Iranians used to stay awake until dawn, eating green and red fruits like watermelon and pomegranate, and a specific mix of nuts and dried fruits. during the years, and especially after Zoroastrianism, in which cutting the trees is a sin, the tree was discluded from the ceremony, and after Islam, it is only celebrated as the longest night of the year. Besides, it's Jesus's birth date that isn't clear, as some believe it's been in March. In fact, there are exactly 23 similarities between the 2 religions, and as Mithrais precedes Christianity by thousands of years, the conclusion is obvious!!!

@Dymez187

Жыл бұрын

Zoroastrianism made them stop cutting the tree and Islam band the tree altogether?

Long story short, no.

Stupid Question. Nothing to do with each other

So Christianity is an amalgamation of Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Mithrism...interesting.

@TorahisLifeandLight

3 жыл бұрын

Christianity and Islam is a copy cat of Judaism and pagan cults

@haroldwhite5761

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, myths about Horus have similarities to Jesus and Mithra too.

@exactormortis7433

2 жыл бұрын

well, no.

@Adam-fy7wx

2 жыл бұрын

@@TorahisLifeandLight you are wrong about Islam

@TorahisLifeandLight

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adam-fy7wx why?

Horus, Mithras, Christ. My question is who are the people behind all of this. One thing I knew for sure, there are people who controls the world since ancient times. Not the gods but the powerful people who controls the world.

@Dymez187

Жыл бұрын

Zionists

@Thagomizer

6 ай бұрын

Have you actually READ the story of Osiris, Isis, and Horus?

@Mo_loves_aisha-6yoBTW

3 ай бұрын

@@Thagomizernot even close with the trinity

This is simply not true, there are numerous ways we can compare Mithra to Jesus one of them being the way we define "virgin birth", infact it wasn't uncommon in ancient times for goddesses to be revered for their virginity(for example the goddess Isis was known as the "inviolable one" despite being the mother of Horus) virginity wasn't necessarily a trope of sexual abstinence but rather purity of character or youthfulness. During the Achaemenian period, it was firmly established that Mithra was born of the virgin goddess Anahita. She is symbolically represented as a rock because it portrays her unmovable purity, infact when we delve deeper into this symbolism we that this rock can also represent the geocentric flat earth(the primordial mother of all life including the celestial bodies), a model which was universally accepted amongst all pagan cultures until the rise of the Jesuits. And whats more, the very act of Mithra slaying the bull can be seen as the precession of the equinox the Sun(Mithra) transits from Taurus(Bull) in order to reach Pisces, it should also be noted that in earlier renditions of the tale Mithra was actually crucified which makes perfect sense when you think about it because crucifixion of any solar deity can be seen to represent the sun passing through the southern cross in order to bring about the vernal equinox. And going back to the bull slaying symbolism, the spilling of corn from its neck allegorizes the harvest as again the sun is responsible for bringing in the Spring season. For more info check out this link below: stellarhousepublishing.com/mithra/

I'm going to blunt here, if Jesus existed, probably but not definitely, he could not have been born from a virgin, it is biologically impossible, utterly ridiculous. However, I assume this to be symbolic rather than actual, regardless of many people's naive beliefs.

Jesus is Abrahamic (a Three Musketeer Triune God), whereas Mithras is Zoroastrian/Hinduism (a Dualistic God of light and darkness).

1. There's no evidence Jesus was born in 25 of December 2. The Roman sun god had celebration in 25. Dec similarly to jesus. 3. Jesus 12 disciples also isn't accurate, the bible also mentioned 70 or 72 in some transcripts 4. Similarly Christianity have no authentic source of information, the bible have anonymous authors from second century. 5. The catholic church was actually mithraism church before Jesus, so it's normal that mithraism influenced Christianity (which i prefer to call it paulianity) 6. The rituals of Christianity mostly have no evidence, human sacrifice, pagan tree (Jeremiah 10 :1-5), christmas.. Etc 7. The crucifixion of Jesus mentioned in the 4 gospels has no eye witness at all. 8. Christianity is a mix of paulianity (paul teachings) + paganism + mithraism

Its all Astrotheology.

Do you not understand what dies natalis solis invicti means...Mithraism clearly influenced Constantine and subsequent Christianity...

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I just explained myself poorly. The point I make through the video is not that the solar cult isn't related to Christ, but that Mithras isn't actually Sol, nor was the 25th of Dec therefore the day of Mithras. my video on Celtic Christmas shows in Ireland for instance how Christ is fused with earlier pagan figures. But for many people claiming to follow Mithraism they don't seem to even realize that Mithras isn't the physical sun. He is shown to be clearly distinct, though closely related.

@Mo_loves_aisha-6yoBTW

3 ай бұрын

The birthday of the undefeated sun. (Jesus got „defeated“ tho unlike sol invictus or Mithras)

The Old Testament condemns sun worship... So if anyone makes a claim that Christianity is based on some pagan sun worshipping religion they're wrong.

@polishrepublic5055

6 ай бұрын

Psalm 84:11

It would make more sense to see the mediator of a covenant of Jesus as originating from Judaism as the covenant concept in Judaism is older than the Babylonian exile. Jesus is a second Moses more than a Mithra. The eucharist is a repurposing of the Passover suppper. And every covenant throughout the ancient near east was ratified by both a sacrifice and a shared meal. Moses on Mt. Sinai sprinkles the people with blood and the 70 elders of Isreal ascend the mount and eat in the presence of God. Those are not borrowed from Persia. That concept is actually more Hittite in origin.

Jesus Christ was created by taking parts from Dionysus, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Osiris, Asclepius, Attis, and Adonis not only Mithras

I am the King, the High Priest and the Prophet. I am the Word, the Temple and the Spirit. I am Ahura Mazda, Anahita, and Mithra.

I think who's the main bridge between these two issues is Constantine...he was the one who merged both beliefs to suit him...if in doubt just go do some homework

Mithras, the Sun God, Jesus the Son “of” God. What a sad attempt to debunk the similarities between Jesus and Mithras. Both are mythical.

evangelical academic *

The fact that Iesu Christos has the same initials as Iulius Caesar is not a coincidence, and there are other parallels between them too, including Jesus's speaking of not coming in peace but with a sword and dividing households. His many similarities to Buddha, such as pacifism, are also not coincidences, including his chief disciple Simon Peter's having the same initials as Buddha's chief disciple, Sari Putra.

@atheodorasurname6936

3 жыл бұрын

Why did so many artists make Jesus look like a bearded lady?

Corn?? this guy is slipping..

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

"The tail of the bull occasionally appears to end in an ear of wheat. The blood from the wound is also sometimes depicted as ears of wheat, or as a cluster of grapes" Clauss 2000, p. 80. Try actually examining the iconography before insulting people.

no

Jesus was a yogi IMO, there to preach Vedic teachings, truths of spiritual harmony, oneness of the universe. All the legends surrounding him make sense that way. The star of Bethlehem from Vedic astrology. The wise men from the east guided by the star to witness the incarnation or the reincarnation of great spirit, like Dalai Lama, the movie “Little Buddha”. His missing years would’ve been spent in the east learning Veda, truths of universe. The concept of baptism also seems inherited from Vedic-Hindu ritual of Diksha, in which one is born again by the initiation from guru, given new names too. Some says Jesus went to India while his blank years to explain this, but it wasn’t necessary at all. As the fact that a Statue of Hindu goddess Lakshmi was found in Pompeii, and Hellenistic Buddha are found in the orient, the old world was much more cosmopolitan than we imagined. Anyhow, There’s no need of arguing which is true religion true god, like Pharisees who put Jesus on the cross calling him “Antichrist”, but only if you *DO to others what you would have them do to you, FOR THIS SUMS UP the Law and the Prophets* and that’s all Jesus asked us for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Christianity copy to Mithrasim because mitra greatest god in world wide... Mitra vedic son and sol god... Mithra involve in Hinduism, Zoroastrian, jews, Greek, roman , Egyptian and every ancient civilization..in pre roman and Greek following Mithrasim and Christianity total copy to vedic tradition..

Jesus and Mithras is the same

@misterauctor7353

Жыл бұрын

Nope.

Its not called communion😹 its called the new covenant passover, its a fulfilled! law of the first jewish festival