3pts were introduced to the NBA the same year Larry Bird started a rookie in 1979. 3pts were thought of as a gimmick to make the game exciting. If Larry Bird knew this was going to be a part of the game, imagine how more deadly he would be? I'm a Lakers fan and have mad respect for Larry Bird.

@144Souldier

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@wildtakeidc4731

Жыл бұрын

damn, nice hypothetical

@Hopealliswell6054

Жыл бұрын

Bird also understood math. Don’t compare Bird to Steph on shooting the deep ball. The NBA has never seen anything like Steph as far as a shooter goes. Bird might be overall a better player but he’s not a better shooter.

@ronald8792

Жыл бұрын

Curry is a better 3pt shooter than Bird because he specializes in deep shots. Larry was better at everything else.

@chrisbuck7520

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hopealliswell6054 You don't think if Bird @ a full 6'9" and known as one of the strongest hands on the ball guys he couldn't have shot from deeper??? Just cuz you didn't see him do it doesn't mean he couldn't have. Many storytellers have told about Bird taking challenges on and nailing ridiculous long shots. Just like everyone thinking because Shaq dunked & tried to do chinups on the rim he was the most intimidating or dominant big man ever. Wilt NEVER did that but surely could've too. It wasn't allowed and it wasn't his nature. Don't get it twisted that Bird & Wilt couldn't do those things

I love the fact that these legends stand up for each other. I grew up watching these guys and , I can attest, they gave their heart and souls to the game. I love 80's/ 90''s NBA

@JustNeedaBeerandPark

8 ай бұрын

Facts........Better than this generation....... But this generation is pretty good.

@Rakeemgrant

8 ай бұрын

80's and 90's Basketball was amazing

@javiervargas8391

8 ай бұрын

Facts over feelings, the nba progresses as does any sport, players get better, bigger, stronger, more athletic. You guys are just stuck in the past and can’t accept reality.

@daniel8p

8 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@JustNeedaBeerandParkyour a idiot if u really think the 80s and 90s teams are better than nowadays teams lmao

@bricefleckenstein9666

8 ай бұрын

@@javiervargas8391 Bigger? Ooo, a whopping - 1 bloody INCH in today's game over the 1960s, and the PEAK of the NBA was ballpark 2005 at a huge - 2 inches bigger. That's after adjusting for the change in how heights were measured, socks or bare feet in the 1960s to IN THEIR SHOES in recent years. Better? That peak seems to have been somewhere in the 1980s or 1990s. Today's players COMMON palm the ball. Since 2009 they can OFFICIALLY take up to 4 steps without a dribble - 1 step before that. ET CETERA. Stronger? I'll grant that ON AVERAGE, perhaps - but why is WILT considered to be the strongest player to ever play the game? More athletic? IFFY - perhaps on average, but not in the STARTING lineups.

The NBA was way more physical when bird played , Riddick has no clue .

Dominique Wilkins is 100% crap resistant..He played in the greatest era of basketball IMO..

@MatthewW713

Ай бұрын

I agree. Dominique was the guy who I loved watching as a kid and always liked even though he didn’t play on my favorite team. Dude played the game the right way and did it with class. Legend. And he is 100% right on this point.

@user-gx2yy1df6f

Ай бұрын

As great as he was i still think he's underated !

Totally agree with Niq. One thing that wasn't mentioned was how many Big shots Bird hit in pressure situations or how he told the defense what was going to happen before it did.!!!

@user-jh5wv3oo1l

5 ай бұрын

@user-oq6pn6lz1r Let us not get carried away, Larry Legend did not tell people his every move, as you are suggesting. You are referencing some occasions when he did it (as have other greats), but that was not his general demeanor. It discredits you when you make a valid point then totally embellish another point and present both as absolutes.

@jeffmiller4506

4 ай бұрын

Yep, definition of the greatest shooter is when pressure is on. Give me Larry legend

@GreenlightBze

2 ай бұрын

I like when it's not about race and guys from different ethnic groups defend each other 👏🏻

@joecisneros2256

Ай бұрын

@@user-jh5wv3oo1lhe did it more often than not so ur point is very invalid

@user-jh5wv3oo1l

29 күн бұрын

@@joecisneros2256 Thank you for the laugh out loud momemt Joe

He said Steph Curry had to face Marcus Smart for 48 minutes, Bird had to face Bill Lambeer and the bad boy Pistons and people like Charles Barkley for 48 minutes.

@scottrackley4457

Жыл бұрын

Had to face Nique, Pippen, Chuck, Oakley, Rodman on the regular

@thebigdeazold4519

11 ай бұрын

@@scottrackley4457okay? That doesn’t make him a top 3 damn shooter. 💀 he’s not a top three 3 point shooter regardless of if he played JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. 😂

@almidaad8014

8 ай бұрын

You didn't listen correctly, JJ was talking about the defense at the three points line not in the paint.

@bthom172

8 ай бұрын

Marcus Smart is a good defender, but Bill was a street brawler; his game had nothing to do with playing good defense. Any idiot can hit a man in the face while he tries to score a basket.

@TuttaNeck

8 ай бұрын

Bird was a sf- power forward 💀 and his point is that bird was not getting touched up like curry on the perm

"I watched the games, I was there at them. JJ you looked them up on youtube" LOL that was cold JJ's highlight reel watch history couldnt hold up

@Carlospjr

4 ай бұрын

He’s right!

@chrisv.noire.6388

4 ай бұрын

that was the dumbest non-logical statement Mad Dog made. Cold? are you fcking kidding. There is no replay in live games...I can just see the coaches saying...nah i don't watch film...because i was at the damn game. WTF?

@HulkVahkiin

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisv.noire.6388 Your statement is what is non-logical. ''There is no replay in live games...I can just see the coaches saying...nah i don't watch film...because i was at the damn game'' Wtf does this even mean?

@jeremyellismusic

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisv.noire.6388 Correct. Being at the game does not give you better insight than watching the film. Human memory is one of the worst indicators of facts. And this debate is silly. JJ is saying over and over that Bird was a great shooter. Saying, "I saw a game," does not change math and stats. Strangely enough, if you check best 3pt by %, JJ is 4th best all time! If you look at 3pts made, Bird is not top 50. He won that one 3 pt contest tough, so that's cool...

@The_Pause_Tape_KING

4 ай бұрын

@@jeremyellismusic but yet you completely ignore JJ's ignorant statement about physicality against Steph vs Bird... the Bad Boy Pistons had more physicality on one team than the entire NBA does today!

Why anybody would listen to Reddick's opinion is beyond me. Why is he even on TV anyway?

@Jangocat

26 күн бұрын

You got me, I remember he was on the Sixers, he couldn't do anything but stand in the corner and wait for a pass. He was a journeyman in my mind.

@sandroid711

22 күн бұрын

Shock jocking.Sometimes controversy helps ratings.People tend to watch that one person who annoys the fck out of them.😂

@cz2165

9 күн бұрын

We will see if he can help the Lakers win.

@markkostka6897

6 күн бұрын

To be a blowhard for clicks like Bayliss, Stephen Smith. They don't make money without clicks.

@michaellee6016

2 күн бұрын

@@cz2165he won’t and he can’t. He’s not a players coach. They won’t respect him.

The bad boys had more physicality on one team than the entire NBA does today 💀🤣

@CreativeBigL

Жыл бұрын

Jake LeBron bigger than any player on the Pistons 😂

@syyner1748

Жыл бұрын

​@@CreativeBigL irrelevant

@mutt8553

Жыл бұрын

@@CreativeBigL How is that relevant?

@lelu0079

Жыл бұрын

Bruh elbowing a man when he is midair don’t make you physical just make you a basketball thug with zero skill

@syyner1748

Жыл бұрын

@@lelu0079 you must be a kid

People forgot what respect is a long time ago.

@michealtzitz5038

Жыл бұрын

Long out the window years ago man. I've played pick up games with these young guys and they even call fouls that aren't even fouls....no respect,weak and soft.

@cchampaine179

Жыл бұрын

Facts

When Bird was playing as a kid, in jr high, and high schools, and plenty of college games there was no 3-point line. He was one of the first players to utilize the line and he transitioned to it seamlessly. These new players spent most of their lives practicing the 3-point shot...

@bricefleckenstein9666

8 ай бұрын

To be fair, there WAS a 3 point line - in the ABA only - when Bird was in school. But I doubt Bird saw a lot of Pacer games in the part of the state he was in (not within WTTV Indianapolis coverage area). He probably DID learn of the shot during College - as one of his assistant coaches was Mel Daniels, who played pretty much his entire career in the ABA - and there was some discussion about adding it for a few years in the NBA before it finally happened.

@qt3dot14ish

3 ай бұрын

Well stated in a brief comment.

@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lr

3 ай бұрын

​@@bricefleckenstein9666literally doesn't take away from anything he said...bro wrote a whole Bible for no reason..

@bricefleckenstein9666

3 ай бұрын

@@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lr The person I was posting to was WRONG - and that's what I was explaining. The whole "Bird never heard of the 3 point shot 'til he joined the NBA" concept is just a flat out lie or based on people that don't know the timeline of it.

@zeked4200

8 күн бұрын

​@@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lr A Bible? I don't even agree with him, but the guy wrote a paragraph...is your attention span really that short?

This is why I don't watch ESPN. They are paid to be and act stupid

It was a completely different game in the 80's. Example: Larry Bird 3-point attempts for his best year 85-86 = 194. Curry's best year 15-16 = 886. Teams were more physical and the rules were less strict. It's a 3-point league now.

@FreedomFighter2112

Жыл бұрын

When it mattered most...Most game-winners (last minute) of All-Time: #1) Kobe = 26 (in 1346 games) #2) Jordan = 25 (in 1072 games) #3) Bird. = 24 (in 897 games) However, when it came to overall game-winners ratio, here are the best of All-Time: #1) Bird = 2.67 #2) Jordan = 2.33
 #3) Kobe 1.93

@FreedomFighter2112

Жыл бұрын

In the past 50 years, here are the highest Total Career Avg Stat Points (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) #1) Jordan = 44.7 #2) LeBron = 44.4 #3) Bird = 43.1 #4) Kareem = 42.9 Curry is #31 with 37.5 That's just to put things into to perspective..

@carlschiller5646

Жыл бұрын

@@FreedomFighter2112 yeah because box score stats mean everything when determining a players greatness, especially rebounds for a point guard😂

@thetrib1

Жыл бұрын

@@FreedomFighter2112 it's like you're missing the argument...it was about best 3pt shooters of all time. lebron, jordan, kareem. are not in the convo.

@jweezy5490

Жыл бұрын

Bird is pretty much the gold standard for shooting, first 50 40 90 member

The physicality of the NBA in the 80’s and 90’s was the greatest factor for great success for players like Bird, Magic, Dr.J and Jordan to be the most creative on their teams and will their bodies to scoring a bucket.

@MrElpajita

Жыл бұрын

Does that change the 3pt%???? Because if it was 1/5, is 40% because of that?? LMFAO

@144Souldier

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't that physical.

@syyner1748

Жыл бұрын

​@@144Souldier 🤡

@allaboutthemurzic

Жыл бұрын

Wilts time period was the most physical

@steve4158

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Imagine teams today transported back in time to play against the Pistons under those old rules!!!

Mad dog is absolutely correct on this topic

Players didn’t shoot from 35 back then because even if you made it, coach pulling you out faster than you can blink. Now players have the authority and play globetrotters ball. Back then it was fundamentals and you played your position

@gandydancer9710

Ай бұрын

Nowadays they all play defense like the Washington Generals.

@josemanuelcaballero1162

22 күн бұрын

Simple as that. They give you 2-3 m from 40 feet and you jack them if you have practiced them enough. Back then you won games with innate talent and guts. Now everything is rehearsed.

@gandydancer9710

22 күн бұрын

@@josemanuelcaballero1162 LONG threes are STILL not a good shot.

@TheGuru662

3 күн бұрын

Right

Stephen A saying y'all need to calm down is hilarious

@gandydancer9710

Ай бұрын

What was hilarious is how they wouldn't let him get a word in. I'm still not sure what he wanted to say.

A while ago on the Dan Patrick show Bird said Curry was the best shooter of all time. Patrick asked Bird if he was in the conversation. Bird laughed and said of course he is in the conversation.

@samuelmuiruri4704

4 ай бұрын

I remember seeing that!😅

@gandydancer9710

Ай бұрын

Bit Curry IS the best shooter of all time. I remember saying something like that back before he was a star and could barely stay on the court because of his bad ankles. And I've been watching NBA since Wilt was a Warrior. Bird was a great shooter, but, no, not a top tier 3 point shooter. The percentages don't lie. (And this is not a knock on him. The three point shot is trash basketball. And Curry would have been a great scorer even if there were no three point line. He would just be shooting closer to the basket if real basketball was still being played.)

I remember going to a game in the 80s, between the Phoenix Suns and the San Antonio Spurs. I was shocked to see all of the hard contact that was going on.

"If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game I'd choose Michael Jordan; If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life... I'd take Larry Bird." - Pat Riley.Aug 28, 2012. The NBA in the 80's was so much more physical than today's game.

Forget what JJ is talking about, give me Bird for the last shot every freaking time

@SamuelJ888

Жыл бұрын

Bird shot 32% from three in the postseason

@ratman5106

Жыл бұрын

I want IGUODALA!!!

@curandas8801

Жыл бұрын

@@SamuelJ888 if you look just at his clutch 3 shots I bet it's way over 50%

@deadpool1966

Жыл бұрын

@Samuel J he would be getting easier looks in todays nba, an with that wild jumpshot he would probably draw a bunch of fouls considering players would have to jump high everytime

@One.Zero.One101

Жыл бұрын

Also remember that the 3 point shootout in the 80s didn’t have 2-pointer balls in every rack. So Bird’s total would actually be higher if he competed today. Bird’s score of 24 would probably be 28 today and it would beat 95% of 3 point competitors today.

You could get traumatized by playing in the 80s

@dariopadovan1976

Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you talking about? 😂

@351linzdoctor

Жыл бұрын

@@dariopadovan1976 If you were weak you died playing back then! Oh my finger hurts coach I'm going to sit out 5 games or coach I have a headache I'm going to take tomorrow off like these guys do today!😁😁😁😁😁😁

@haworthlowell805

5 ай бұрын

​@@dariopadovan1976 Larry's trash talk would tramatize most guys now. LaBum would go crying home to his mommy after 5 minutes!

@brianmayabella5992

4 ай бұрын

​@@dariopadovan1976the bad boys will slap the hell out of you. You could get stitches.

@dariopadovan1976

4 ай бұрын

@@brianmayabella5992 they will all be in foul trouble after 5 minutes

Parrish PUNCHED Lambeer in the face THREE times and didn’t a get personal foul.

@johnnythekid4601

9 ай бұрын

sure he did.. he just wasnt ejected

Traveling (esp via the gather step) is a huge reason why players shoot a better percentage today. It allows players to set their feet and properly adjust the ball in their hands in order to shoot the ball.

@gandydancer9710

Ай бұрын

And it creates unearned separation, specifically on the step back or sidestep 3.

When a 3 was needed for the win, Bird was MONEY... He jus wasn't hoisting up 3's!! 3x MVP.. Put some RESPEK'on it

@thelogicalgiantsfan6707

4 ай бұрын

Exactly

The difference is they changed the defensive rules years ago, zone defense is now a thing, it changed the league. Nobody talks about the fact you could now just double team Jordan every possession, so the spacing got farther to counter this. Larry was an elite shooter, but in his day it wasn't the game to sit in the corner, the man averaged 10 RBS for his career he was putting in work in the paint

@Nr4747

Жыл бұрын

Well, true, but you could also just fragantly foul Jordan every possession while he was mid-air - and the Pistons did just that and plenty of it. So much so that the NBA was forced to introduce the flagrant foul-rule in 1990 to protect Jordan (and others, but mostly Jordan).

@Ninjersey1

Жыл бұрын

Zone defense is trash usually what teams do when they can’t play defense lol jordan would destroy zones just like Kobe did he would be way more efficient 😂just stop glazing this era it’s trash

@olblue3478

Жыл бұрын

@@Ninjersey1 jordan himself says that if zone defense existed his career might not be as great

@redpillfreedom6692

11 ай бұрын

​@@olblue3478There's no evidence Jordan actually said that. Besides as the past couple of decades have shown, there's no evidence that zone defense has limited scoring. We just had a season with a record-setting number of players averaging 30 or 20 PPG. Stats have never been more inflated. Unless you want me to think LeBron was better at 38 than at 28.

@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains

11 ай бұрын

​@@redpillfreedom6692 jordan did said that. Zone defense is like a trap. They wait and read the mistake you make and then double you when you did make mistake. Its also allows the defender to be more agressive with you knowing theres help defense behind. Bulls in the 90s. Were bitching and crying about teams such as knicks and pacer playing zone defense to the refs and ask the refs to call illegal defense. 😂

I used to rock that Wilkins 21 jersey when everybody seems to own Jordan 23 red.

I haven't been a professional player and I don't consider myself an expert, but J.J. doesn't comment on 2 details that I consider very important. When he was born, the 3-point line already existed, he was able to practice as a child. That line began to be used in Bird's rookie season, an 50/40/90 guy in some seasons.Then you have to differentiate between the words physical and athletic. Now there are much more athletic players but basketball is less physical. Far fewer contacts are allowed. Normal fouls at that time would now be sanctioned

JJ is saying the the kind of defense has to deal with behind the 3pt line is nothing compared to what Bird faced out there. Now at the same time Steph doesn't face the same kind of defense that Bird faced in the paint.

@jweezy5490

Жыл бұрын

You're not wrong that change in zone defense completely changed the game

@ricoconde1772

Жыл бұрын

Someone who actually understood what JJ was talking about

@Sorry-sk4kt

Жыл бұрын

This is what I was about to comment, he understands bird face more physicality overall but not from three

@Ninjersey1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but Bird didn’t have that landing rule for shooters could you imagine,Bird,Reggie miller,Ray Allen,so many shooters you don’t know about that that rule would’ve benefited

@antiisolation4

Жыл бұрын

@@Ninjersey1 however no one was flying at bird for a 3pt Every play so that’s why it wasn’t implemented becuz there was no need bsck then you’d live with a 3pt being shot

I have watched the game for many years and the ones that I watched that were just hammered more than any were MJ,Shaq and Bird. No one let those guys breathe.

@CreativeBigL

Жыл бұрын

Plummer's and grocery clerks had to mug players because they were not athletes

@clifflawrence7479

Жыл бұрын

@@CreativeBigL I remember one plumber that was 7ft 1, had over a 40 inch vertical, ran the 40 in 4.6 and could bench 500lb. I would have hated to get mugged by that guy!

@ramborigs

Жыл бұрын

@@CreativeBigL When people make the plumbers argument it just shows their age and lack of ball knowledge. Usually stans of Lebron

Volume shooting can be misconceived at times. I know players whose 3 pt percentage increased the more they took more attempts like Damian Lillard. We will never know if Larry Bird's 3pt percentage would have been way better if he attempted more threes.

It was WAY harder to shoot a 3 in Birds era, They used to actually guard you back then and not call BS fouls.

When it mattered most...Most game-winners (last minute) of All-Time: #1) Kobe = 26 (in 1346 games) #2) Jordan = 25 (in 1072 games) #3) Bird. = 24 (in 897 games) However, when it came to overall game-winners ratio, here are the best of All-Time: #1) Bird = 2.67 #2) Jordan = 2.33
 #3) Kobe 1.93

@vernonhurley1300

Жыл бұрын

Great analytics.

@dickiedooda.3271

Жыл бұрын

Pat Reilly once said, when the game is on the line I want Magic shooting, when my life is on the line,I want Bird.

@kevinp7300

Жыл бұрын

End of story! 💥💥💥

@Ray1969.

Жыл бұрын

Freedom Fighter has said it all!! Case closed

@lamefart

Жыл бұрын

​@@dickiedooda.3271 Magic? MJ as in Michael Jordan. 🤣🤣🤣

Bottom line was Curry grew up with 3 point line. Just started when Bird came along

Larry could and would DOMINATE in todays game.... and he d ADPT!!.💯👍💯🏀🏀

As an elementary school student during the 80's who emulated players of that time clotheslines were a part of the games. Fighting came right after that. 😂😂

Reggie Miller stated its easier to shoot 3s today because they protect the shooters.

@chilldoc9638

Жыл бұрын

Ok? Not for curry, he gets triple teamed at half court

@tyreek.6815

Жыл бұрын

That makes no sense when curry gets double teamed. We’re talking about curry not “shooters”

@AndreInThe416

Жыл бұрын

@@tyreek.6815 it's the flagrants on landing

@bimdiesl7031

Жыл бұрын

Reggie injured more defenders with that kick out motion of his legs when taking his jumper 🤣🤣🤣

@cmack17

Жыл бұрын

Reggie Miller is a goofball amd a mediocre broadcaster.

That Laimbeer Bird photo is priceless

@brianmauldin7478

4 ай бұрын

Boxing out on a FT

Uhhhh, the NBA from the 80's (particularly in the PLAYOFFS) was, literally, almost as physical as the NHL. (That's not an exaggeration, either. If you went into the paint, you were going to get body-checked, or hacked, as HARD AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. The goal was, literally, to prevent guys from routinely going to the rim by INFLICTING PAIN.)

I can’t believe my eyes. Steven A Smith isn’t yelling. Lol

The argument is there was less physicality when defending the 3. When Bird shoots 3s, defenders where not up close to block the 3.

@BmoreAce24

Жыл бұрын

Exactly its like they missed the whole point and started talking about physicality in the paint

@polishpimp4233

Жыл бұрын

to be fair if you foul bird while shooting the 3 with an almost 90 percent shooting percentage for a career... yeah do the math.

@macoi3008

Жыл бұрын

@@polishpimp4233 Larry Bird shooting percentage is less than 50% and an even lower 3 point percentage.

@dariopadovan1976

Жыл бұрын

@@macoi3008 Bird 3point was less than 38%. Redick was better than Bird with an awesome 41.6% making him one of the best ever in terms of total 3points made and average. And he's such a gentleman cause he never came up with that even if he could just to avoid provoking a further controversy.

@dariopadovan1976

Жыл бұрын

@@BmoreAce24 it's a good excuse for every occasion. I started using it when I have an argument with my wife and it works!

I'll never forget the 3pt shooting contest, where on the last shot, bird threw up the shot and as soon as the ball left his fingers he rose his pointer finger in the air in celebration, with out even looking at the basket.....cause he knew it was going in.....and it did!!! It was like a magic trick to me, that's how amazing that shot was. I've always been a Lakers fan, but never could ignore Birds greatness!!!!

The 80’s style of play was brutal all the way down to jr high school level. Now it’s way easier to play on every level.

Back in the 80s player doesn't focus too much on 3s except for 3 pt especialists because was different back then. 36% without much practice? Imagine if Bird focused on that sh1t.

@jesterpoker

Жыл бұрын

bro. if bird and curry changed teams, curry would literally be shooting 60%

@sportvibes4121

Жыл бұрын

Bird would demolish these swethearts just by his mentality, imagine him telling these guys he will shot with his left hand or tell them from where exactly he will shot and what type of shot he will launch. Embarassing realy

@wakaikozy6084

Жыл бұрын

​@jester not true. If those players in 80's knew Curry's shooting prowes, they would get extremely physical with him.

@jesterpoker

Жыл бұрын

@@wakaikozy6084 curry gets held, defenders stay on his hip, and the average nba player now is 10x better than back then

@ramborigs

Жыл бұрын

@@jesterpoker 10 times softer too

Lots of love to Dominique. One of the most exciting players to watch in NBA history. He was an awesome player.

He only said: Bird had less defense after going OUTSIDE THE 3PT LINE. And that's true. Most of the physicality was inside the paint because basketball was more focused on shooting close to the basket.

@barrymccoy4729

8 ай бұрын

The actual point of JJ!

@gettinmine6604

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

@jasonkassa2204

5 ай бұрын

yes it was a totally different game. Bird hardly ever shot up more than 3 attempts/game for a season. A big part was the way the coaches and media and players misunderstood how valuable 3s are as a weapon. A medium part was the way Bird caught elbows and contact-sports moments down inside and midgame area.

@kanvuzmusicproductions

3 ай бұрын

Facts 💯

@josemanuelcaballero1162

21 күн бұрын

Which may be true but your state in the game is an accumulation of things. If you have had Laimbeer throwing elbows for 10 straight plays before your first three, tell me how that compares with Curry being untouched and abusing those ballerina step backs. One is going to be more exhausted than the other. Same happens with FTs.At first glance , someone who has not played the game would think FTs in game are easy. No, they are not. They come whenever you are exhausted and sometimes in pain, and often you have to make them to under pressure. So, Bird 3s were not free, as JJ puts them. This guy is an arrogant prick. And the fact that he will be the next Lakers coach just tells you how rotten the NBA is. Dominique is right, he is a class act. A really nice , reasonable , hugely talented and hard working man. The game needs more of that and less big mouths.

Mad Dog funny for saying you only watch KZread lmfao

@somersetbassett4580

Жыл бұрын

To an 14 year NBA vet no less

@will-zj5gq

Жыл бұрын

@@somersetbassett4580 about 3 point shooting no less

@psalmsurfer1

4 ай бұрын

he wasnt wrong

@psalmsurfer1

4 ай бұрын

@@somersetbassett4580 Redicks a blowhard. and dogger was right

@psalmsurfer1

4 ай бұрын

@@will-zj5gq lol Redicks a clown

Bird is the greatest three point shooter under pressure. When he makes the points with what’s at stake, it’s what makes him the best.

Next to MJ, Bird was a legendary shooter and player overall. JJ has no clue about how physical the NBA was back then... They allowed a lot of hard play. I saw a few games live back then 😳

At 1:53 ish, it sounds like he said F U. Lmao 😂 That's a first for me, on first take...

Also remember that the 3-point shootout in the 80s didn’t have 2-pointer balls in every rack. So Bird’s total would actually be higher if he competed today. Bird’s score of 24 would probably be 28 today and it would beat 95% of 3-point competitors today.

Yesterday's game "Get up and play ball". Today's game "Flagrant 10, an ejection, and 10 game suspension".

@eugeniomorichon5624

4 ай бұрын

Jonkler

I’d like to see these guys sit down and have a dialogue about the tenants of physicality to properly set the table for this debate.

Not wanting to know Reddick too badly, but using his parameters, Duncan Robinson is now the greatest three point shooter in NBA history.

In that clip jj didn’t say it is more physical today. The statement that he made was that they are more physical off the ball on Steph curry specifically. And that the perimeter wasn’t guarded as hard back then than now. The 80s and 90s Was clearly more physical of a game all around especially in the paint area.

@gettinmine6604

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

@c3beme24

2 ай бұрын

Was waiting for this comment

@DanielDeSoto-zs8cs

Ай бұрын

I have seen plenty of Curry shots were there was nobody around him. Watch 80s basketball, of course the perimeter was guarded.

@OxygenC2

Ай бұрын

Not really. We see those clips of Reggie Miller pushing, shoving, and clawing just to get to his spots. Perimeter players say John Stockton dragged his nails on their arms to get free. Curry with all due respect don't need to do that in today's game.

@OK-gk1rp

7 күн бұрын

And he was still wrong! With the holding and pushing it was harder to get open back then, the final separation would come from a stonewall screen to get the shooter open. Screens back then would almost make you lose consciousness.

If someone grabbed Bird like that too often, it would cost that player,dearly

Hey guys the camera is off. Settle it.

The fact that some specific highlights are ALWAYS from SPORTITALIA i will never understand it😅

I don't know too much about basketball, but I was a semi-pro soccer player in England in the late 70's early 80's. Looking at soccer today we see some great players, but there is so much protection it is almost a different game now. The likes of Pele, George Best, Dennis Law, they produced on the field, while being taken out at the knees with not even a foul being called. You simply cannot compare different eras. You have to plug in variables as well as just stats.

@dbsti3006

Жыл бұрын

You just described it well. Your reference makes sense to basketball too. They have all these penalties now and players are more protected, but what baffles me is that with the added protection and more advanced medicine, the players today still stay out of way more games due to injury when both soccer and basketball two or 3 decades ago, players played in more games without sitting out.

@theeconomytraveler9999

Жыл бұрын

And this is why I cannot watch soccer today. Too soft...too many whistles...too many pretend to be tough guys. I stopped watching the world cup a long time ago. I played pro basketball in europe and it´s the same way. Meaning, it´s quite hard to watch NBA games.

@matthewpace5834

Жыл бұрын

@@theeconomytraveler9999 totally agree mate. The amount of flopping around is embarrassing. There is actually discussion taking place at the administrative level to stop the clock when the ball goes out or when a foul is called. The hope is that it will clamp down on time wasting. A study was performed showing that only 59% of the game is actually being played. The powers that he are actually concerned that the fans are not getting value for money. That's a shocker right there.

@theeconomytraveler9999

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewpace5834 Yeah, so we´re talking about only 50 minutes of effective play from a 90 minute game. So we both know that the fans aren´t getting their moneys worth. Take care.

The Bad Boys would run roughshod over todays league...

Larry Bird always told defenders where he was going to shoot the ball and always did it in their faces for a challenge.

Todays NBA is designed to score points. It is a different game than the 90's. If today's 3 point shooters had to play back then they would not be putting up the same numbers because of the physicality of the game back then. When you have to go the whole game with someone hand checking you, pushing you or beating you up you will not score the same amount of points as today. Basically the players today can not be touched so they will score a lot more points. Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, etc dominated in an era of physical basketball. If they in their primes would play today they might average 50 or 60 points a game because it is a puff league right now.

@YTzaecapone

Жыл бұрын

Lies

@lebronjamesharden3958

Жыл бұрын

lmao 50 or 60 points a game

@NileValleyMade

Жыл бұрын

Did you see that Clippers vs Kings game 02/24/23 176-175 despite the OTs there was no defense all 4 qts 😂

@YTzaecapone

Жыл бұрын

@@NileValleyMade cap

@ov9879

Жыл бұрын

@@NileValleyMade I did not see that one. But, it is no surprise. It's all offense these days.

Stephen a telling people to calm down. I love it baby😂😂😂

@pleaseshutup7053

Жыл бұрын

You know it’s nonsense when Stephen a doesnt want to hear nonsense

Larry Bird is UNQUESTIONABLY one of the best 3 point shooters of all time. The 3 wasn't even a big part of the game back then and he was still that good. He wasn't practicing 3 point shooting the way guys do today. If that was the game back then, and three's were prioritized as they are today and he specifically focused on that aspect of the game, forget about it. If you need a 3 made and your life depended on it, I want Bird taking that shot over ANYONE.

If we use statistics as if every era was played the same way then Larry isn’t one of the top 3pt shooters. But for the era Larry did play in and the style they played Larry is definitely a top 3pt shooter.

facts bird is one of the best shooters ever, quit talking to dudes who compares these dudes to 80s players,more physical, less shots,ran the shot clock,and the game was played completely different and 10 times more competitive

Who had more bruises, players from Birds era, or players from this one?

@matthewpace5834

Жыл бұрын

I think Bird came back into a game with a broken cheek bone when his team needed him. Didn't LeBron leave a game with a hangnail?

@Ewabound571

Жыл бұрын

Todays players got more bruises… in their feelings. 😆

@fobinc

Жыл бұрын

​@@matthewpace5834 the only one I knew was him not playing due to a mild stomach cramp.

I think Stephen Curry would ‘most likely’ disagree with J.J. Reddick’s statement/logic also. Stephen Curry’s Father played in the NBA in the 80’s & 90’s. Curry had the chance to watch many NBA games as a kid in the 90’s.

I grew up in the Iverson, Kobe, Vince Carter era witch was the end of the Jordan and begin of the LeBron era. Elementary school (Jordan era) when we played you had to earn every basket and if you took a 3 pointer you were a coward because it's easier to take a 3 pointer than to breakdown defense and score. Highschool was Iverson, Kobe, and Vince Carter that's when I learned to move graceful and fluent with the ball but it was instilled in me not to take 3's because it is considered a bail out move. Anyone who says taking a 3 isn't a bail out move is lying. I played against a lot of people and it always irritates me when I check the ball to a person and the first thing they do is take a shot before I even step up to play defense. I never do that and I go extra hard to make sure they don't win so I can humiliated then after the game. Shots from the 3 point line was worth one point in pick up basketball but because of the LeBron and Curry era it's now 2 points. This generation simply want to earn more for doing less.

I'm just happy to see the comment section speak some truth. Love how y'all being real about the game back then and now. 👍👍👍

I think what redick was trying to say that in today's nba the 3 point line is guarded way more closely than it was in the 80s. The game is definitely not as physical as it use to be but in today's game defending the 3 point line is so much more of a priority than it use to be which leads to shots being closely contested and more difficult.

@roboninja3194

Жыл бұрын

Of course the 3 pt line is guarded more now. In the 80s the 3 pt shot was viewed as a gimmick at 1st. And only a small % of players in the 80s could actually shoot the 3 and make it. So why would teams guard against a shot that most guys didn't take? Redick is making a silly point because anyone who has watched the NBA then vs now knows this and his point doesn't prove anything.

@Luca-yb4sh

10 ай бұрын

@@roboninja3194 So why are so many people arguing that a player that shot few 3s (factual), on lower efficiency (factual), against less aggressive 3 pt defense (factual and you just agreed on that), won 3 pt contests against inferior competition (factual, in your words "only a small % of players in the 80s could actually shoot the 3 and make it") compared to today's game is one of the top 5 3 pt shooters ever?

@Luca-yb4sh

9 ай бұрын

@@critiqueeverything3297Because I hate when people worship the past blindly only because it came first.

@Luca-yb4sh

9 ай бұрын

@@critiqueeverything3297 Sure. Which doesn't mean making older players look better than they were indiscriminately, at every aspect of the game.

@dougmcnair3748

5 ай бұрын

@@Luca-yb4sh I hate people talking about the past pretending to have some authority when they weren't there.

Raleigh Simmons coached by Fred Tex Winter. Larry Bird is more consistent in every aspect of the game than any other player. He’s a better teammate..

I played pickup games in the 70\80,s when basketball was BRUTAL! Remember that time McHale clothes lined rambis? I think they may have even blew the whistle.

Different era no comparisons.

@piggsy20

Жыл бұрын

Thats why these arguments go nowhere

Dude you actually took the time to make a video without ever comprehending what JJ said. JJ's ''physicality'' comments were a rebutal to Russo who insinuated that Bird's 3pt prowess somehow deserves to be inflated because of the ''physicality'' he played against. Again, physicality with regards to 3pt shooting specifically, not physicality in general. JJ's argument wasn't refering to physicality in the paint or the hard fouls. He specifically mentioned the physicality Curry faces with regards to off the ball trying to get it to shoot a 3 as opposed to the physicality with Bird's 3pt shooting coming off pin-downs. And in that respect he's completely right. Go watch tapes of Bird's 3pt shots. Aside from a few game winners, Bird's 3's were mostly with his feet set. In today's age, that's an open 3. As opposed to Steph who's shooting them coming off screens with a guy in his grill, off the dribble with a hand in the face, falling away, etc. In that context, the phyisicality Steph faces with his 3's is tougher than what Larry faced shooting his 3s.

Guys I’m 47 years old and I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s watching NBA. It’s funny how you always hear the older guys say how much more physical the game was back day as if the younger guy playing today isn’t physical. I understand the game evolved and rules change but older guys have to realize that the younger generation is absolutely bigger, faster, stronger and more skillful at the same time! That’s a fact. Yes, older generation were very tough guys but that doesn’t mean everyone was built the exact same then and it doesn’t mean these guys today aren’t tough! You heard of Draymond Green! JJ point was that Curry is so good at the 3 point shot that teams have to be physical with him entire game around that 3pt line. He wasn’t saying Bird wasn’t great. He was only speaking stats and volume shooting from 3pt line. He was saying Bird took more open 3 shots bc they probably were more physical with Bird in the paint of course and they would live with him shooting the 3. That’s all, today your terrified when Curry shoots the 3 against your team! You see the point?

Bird shot 42.8 from 3 in 5 nba finals in a tougher defensive era

@AstroSully

Жыл бұрын

On how many attempts? And please stop it. The 3 wasn’t heavily guarded by back then as it is now. We’re not talking about the paint.

@leodrosia4369

Жыл бұрын

@@AstroSully you're right junior, d is fucking great now and the best shooter of 80s was routinely left undefended at 3 pt line .

@AstroSully

Жыл бұрын

@@leodrosia4369 facts 🤷🏽‍♂️ Defense is better now outside the perimeter

@keithratajczyk5068

Жыл бұрын

Better measure is that Bird's career shooting percentage declines from .496 in career, to .478 in playoffs, to .453 in NBA finals. Scoring average also dips from 24.1 to 23.1. Also put up consecutive 3-11 duds in Games 3&4 in 81 Finals. And 5-16 in Game #5. In 84 7-17, 8-22, 9-24, and 6-18 with neither a bucket or assist in 4th qtr in Game #7. Went 9-21, 8-21, & 12-29 in series losing loss in Game #6 in 85. And I would be remiss if I failed to mention the Game 3 10-24, followed by 7-19 including Game losing miss in Game #4, along with 7-18, & 6-16 in Games 5 & 6 in 87. FACTS. Spare us his finals heroics - shot under 50% in 21 of 31 finals games he played in. They're few, overblown, and far between although you are correct regarding the defense of that era.

@leodrosia4369

Жыл бұрын

@@keithratajczyk5068 bird had a bad elbow in 85 but did other things to help his team make the finals that season and was best player in 1981 playoffs ....a off balance 3 ptr that rimmed out in gm 4 87 was preceded by a 3 ptr that put a banged up celtic team up by 1. Ainge said bird was a great closer

JJ has no clue. Let Bird play today and he would school these players along with Magic

@dylanlanzuela7305

Жыл бұрын

Bird was a Mix between Luka and Jokic,. People forget Larry was 6'10" lol

@isiahholmes7712

Жыл бұрын

This is the dumbest argument I always see. Well this guy would have. You don’t know what he would have did. And jj is right one of the greatest all around scorers but not from 3 he’s not top 5

@dylanlanzuela7305

Жыл бұрын

@@isiahholmes7712 Steph will be useless in the 70s when there were no 3point line yet

@cmack17

Жыл бұрын

​@@dylanlanzuela7305 You know that his made shots would still count as 2, right?

@isiahholmes7712

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanlanzuela7305 useless lmao really? Like he isn’t well rounded obviously he does have a middle range greatest free throw shooter and also can get to the basket like the casualness in the comment is crazy and I’m not a steph fan whatsoever but stop it

I finally understand how older people feel now when it come to newer player's vs some older . The game is extremely officiated differently .

My Top 5. Center: 1. Welt Chamberlin 2. Michel Jordan 3. Larry Bird 4. Erving Johnson 4. Stephen CURRY POINT GUARD. You people forgot WALTER DAVIS. Go see Walter Davis.

"Hammered in the paint" I didn't know you shoot 3 pointers from the paint.

@dariopadovan1976

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

If Larry Bird played today he'd average 40. It's a soft era today!

@desheaj1

Жыл бұрын

big facts

@CreativeBigL

Жыл бұрын

He ain't guarding anybody today😂

@dariopadovan1976

Жыл бұрын

No it’s not. It’s a technically way better era

@Terryhendog

2 ай бұрын

Bird is a smaller Joker

As a Warriors & Steph Curry fan, I’d say yes. Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. But I’m old enough to have seen Bird play. He was a generational player. Epitome of what a scorer should be. Elite shooting skills. He was Luka before Luka was even born.

Phisicality is not just beating up people. And it has increased. See the 2000's and the 80's... In recent years the interpretations of the rules are protecting the offense, often too much in my sense of the spirit of the game. There are nuances.

Larry Bird was the best all-around player in NBA history. *Who the hell is JJ who?*

@carlschiller5646

Жыл бұрын

you're delusional

@upy0ur5

Жыл бұрын

An insanely bitter man since he has and will never reach Larry Bird's accomplishment. He officially sealed the deal the day he decided to retire.

@carlschiller5646

Жыл бұрын

@@upy0ur5 lmao JJ Redick is the least hateful or bitter person in all of sports media. He only said the truth

@upy0ur5

Жыл бұрын

@@carlschiller5646 hes got both hate and bitterness coursing through his veins. He wouldn't have gotten so offended by the statement about bird being great if he didnt frown excessively. He reminds me of people bitter about Lebron and MJ from both fan bases. Can't hide that to save his life.

@greywarden5513

Жыл бұрын

Come on man, Celtics fan and I’d never say he was the best all around Player, that’s MJ or Lebron. Larry was great but that’s way too much

The thing about bird is, if you challenged him right now, hes accept, and probably win. He has kobes mentality with a shot like ray allen or reggie miller. He disnt have as many 3s because the game was generally played mid range and in the paint. Today most of the game is played behind the arch to mid range. Thats why you have more volume shooters. Both generations were/are dope. Theyre just different. As far as greates of all time discussions in anything they really need to dedine the scope going forward. There are alot of individual ways that can be broken down..

What many don´t know is how tough Larry Bird was. Sure, you could grab and hold him, but he would still find a way to get shots off and make them. Bird was a legit 6´10´´ and played all over the floor. Shooters today get protected by these weak NBA rules. And for those who say todays players are more athletic and skilled...STOP IT. The game is simply played different. I pretty much like JJ as an analyst...but he pulled a Kendrick Perkins on this one.

@landynwhite7646

8 ай бұрын

he wasn’t 6,10 and they changed to rules to protect shooters from defenders putting their feet in their landing space and potentially breaking an ankle. If you think that was a bad rule u should go watch the NFL or the MMA or something. This is basketball not rugby.

@aaagaming2023

8 ай бұрын

@@landynwhite7646 Bird was 6 foot 9.5 inches during his playing career in the NBA. This is why he was often rounded up instead of down. Half an inch hardly makes any difference.

@josemanuelcaballero1162

21 күн бұрын

yes, that was an argumentative flop.

@josemanuelcaballero1162

21 күн бұрын

@@landynwhite7646 there is a huge difference between the change they did to protect Mj from the Pistons, and what you mention now. Which is just one of the changes. One allows you to play ball. The other grants that you are going to score in front of someone that we tag as "the defender" out of pure tradition.

@josemanuelcaballero1162

21 күн бұрын

@@aaagaming2023 Had a long reach too. Which is what really counts often.

Like the NFL for instance. Linebackers used to be able to hit QBs at shoulder height like a bullet out of a gun. I think Troy Polamalu was the last of that era.

I think this whole thing is out of context. JJ was saying Bird was able to take his 3s open and uncontested, where Curry has to fight to get open while constantly getting held, jersey grabbed etc. He basically said Curry goes through more physicality to get his shots, Bird was able to take wide open 3 point shots. Nothing about the overall physicality from the game back then to today. Of course Bird took more physical beatings down low in the paint. Are you all not hearing that out of this? People sometimes listen to respond rather than to understand.

Thank you Nique! If Curry had to face the 80s Bad Boys Pistons in a 7 game series, he’d be retired due to injury before game 5

@deeegeeekay

Жыл бұрын

this just isn’t true. that pistons team stuffed the paint and prevented 2’s, let’s see how they hold up with curry running around for 48 mins just to pull up in their face for 3 from 30 ft

@paulthomas9911

Жыл бұрын

@@deeegeeekay point is Curry or Lebron would not be able to deal with the Physical nature of the game back then. the pistons would have depleted curry's energy. like they did to jordan.

@deeegeeekay

Жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas9911 im sorry did you just say one of the most physically dominant and talented players of all time wouldn’t be able to deal with the bad boy pistons/80-90’s physicality?? are you crazy? just because LBJ is a professional actor on the court doesn’t mean he can’t handle physicality, he’s going for fouls. curry has the best stamina maybe in the nba EVER, and doesn’t need to rely on layups and mids to win against the Pistons, i promise you the Pistons are not playing better perimeter defense than half the nba teams rn

@paulthomas9911

Жыл бұрын

@@deeegeeekay seriously? how old are you? meaning do you remember Jordan getting beaten up so badly he didnt have enough energy to go against that? He admitted it in the bad boys 30 for 30. If you are under 45, no sense in even having this conversation. you dont know the way the game was played back then.

@deeegeeekay

Жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas9911 yeah duh jordan couldn’t handle that it was his damn near first 5 years in the league and he didn’t have the supporting cast he had after the pistons, i’m pretty sure anyone would’ve gotten tired out. but wasn’t he getting beaten up in the paint? why would curry or lebron even go in the paint if they’re better than every shooter in that era, and the defense on 3’s is behind from where it is now? if you think isaiah thomas and some white guys are bullying LEBRON JAMES, a 6’10 muscular monster in his prime who can shoot the 3, i think you’re stuck in the past. sorry i’m not 45 dude 😢😢😢 stop acting like nobody knows the physicality of the past bc you’re old dude, jus take your meds

Lol I don’t like this Mad dog fella but he on point Steph be getting ALL the calls.

Well they played different positions and that matters as well.

When Draymond Green is the toughest guy in the game now,today’s game is not as nearly as tough as the 80’S and the 90’s.Oakley,Rodman,Mason,Malone,Laimbeer,McDaniel…

Physical in the paint is different than out beyond the 3 pt line. Back in Bird's day they probably didn't guard them as much beyond the line because the 3 pt shot wasn't seen as a threat like it is today. In the paint however, there is no comparison. The 80's and 90's were a far more physical time.

It was a diffrent game back then.

DW spot on as usual!

JJ I think meant they were less phyiscal on the 3 point line. They were talking about larry shooting 3's which was easier because teams didnt defend the 3 point line as much.

People don’t realize that Bird also incorporated his whole team! They are all Hall of Famers! Bird was a raw leader! He lead by example and when anything was on the line, he wanted it and made zero excuses!

@davidchandler6885

Жыл бұрын

Ya but he's not really shot creator, Dominque would have better career 2000on

@MazevG

Жыл бұрын

@@davidchandler6885 I hope ur joking

@barryhalpin183

Жыл бұрын

I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!!!!!

@davidchandler6885

Жыл бұрын

@@MazevG Dominique has skills size and elite althcism even for today, so he would do better. Bird speed on shit creation might be an issue

@MazevG

Жыл бұрын

@@davidchandler6885 bird was basically the first player to contort his body in crazy ways and still be able to hit shots effectively, I would say he’s basically the first shot creator ever outside of the paint, ur just making shit up

But then JJ is wrong about Bird being among the greates shooters of all time. If its just about math, there are certainly guys with more volume & best percentage in overall shots than Bird. Anyway, that isnt as relevant. Saying Curry got more physical abuse than bird ishard to believe.

The game was a hell of a lot more exciting when the 3 pointer was viewed as mostly a gimmick. The players today are much more skilled at shooting, for sure, but having everyone just set up around the perimeter to chuck 3s is not fun to watch.