Sure there’s a lot of concerns of what the show will do with new Vegas but in my opinion there’s more important issues like this settlement that needs help, here I’ll mark it on your map

The fact a government society fell sooner than a bunch of isolated technophiles is what gets me mad. The BoS has been shown to not be as big as they are portrayed in the show. But given the terrible way the show explains basic shit and even introducing new stuff like ghouls needing whatever the fuck vials to survive, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided the BoS take in wasters, which if I recall breaks their chain or code or whatever. I believe the vegas chapter stuck to the BoS laws, meaning no wasters can join, period. You're either born into the BoS or you're not.

@ifipaidmybartabtheu.swould9208

3 ай бұрын

I mean there are two options that they could be going in either the house ending is Canon or the independent ending is Canon and when Hank gets to New Vegas it's going to be yes man on the screen which would be hilarious Either way NCR lost the battle at Hoover dam and perhaps the blow to their capital city was enough to make the government collapse I'm not defending the show I'm angry about the retcons too but I am trying to see how they're going to fix it and I'm hoping they'll go that direction

@mgass1354

3 ай бұрын

You are correct. The West Cost faction of BoS was legacy; born into it. Bethesda changed that lore in Fallout 3 and the East Coast faction of BoS, then continued it in Fallout 4. It was, by their own lore, a big rift in the BoS between the West Coast and East Coast. They are now simply working to erase all previous canon by saying the West Coast BoS took in wasters, as well.

For me I think the debate of it being canon or not doesn't really matter when the show does all it can to erase most of the footprints of existing West Coast lore (no NCR infrastructure or post war adobe built farms or settlements in what's supposed to be one of their economic heartlands and has been for nearly a century, regressing the West Coast to the Bethesda static & lawless wasteland trope. Where essentially everything appears as if it's perpetually frozen in time 50 years or so after bombs fell) Instead of the previously mentioned adobe settlements, everyone lives in Fallout 3 & 4 inspired shanty towns like Filley covered in garbage and pre war junk. Though considering that the region and it's outskirts should be littered with post-war adobe infrastructure that's better maintained, has access to clean drinking water and is connected to long established trade routes, it makes no sense that these people (almost all of which should be former NCR citizens) would opt to live in places like Filley or worse yet, dilapidated pre-war houses in the middle of the desert.

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

People praise it for being faithful when all I see is the most faithless adaptation I've seen in a long while.

@Godzilla52

3 ай бұрын

@@RedStar441 I guess it depends on what people mean by faithful. It's fairly faithful to the asthetics & lawless Wasteland trope of Fallout 3 & 4, but extremely disrespectful to West Coast lore. For most fans that have only played Fallout 3 & 4, they don't really see the issue. But I think regardless of that the static wasteland problem is something that Fallout needs to move away from. Keeping everything frozen like the apocalypse only happened several decades ago is making new releases for the franchise fairly repetitive at this point. There's no point moving the chronology forward if each new Fallout IP only wants to maintain that trope (they might as well set things before Fallout 1 and that point.

@Blank55600

3 ай бұрын

Todd hates the idea of a society flourishing and actually bringing law and order back to his little fantasy sandbox.

@Godzilla52

3 ай бұрын

@@Blank55600 Unless it's the Broherhood of Steel doing it apparently. They seem to be the only faction that Bethesda doesn't mind getting more powerful/established, but everyone else has to live in pre-war junk for 200+ years unless they're the antagonists who won't survive the end of the game anyways (Commonwealth/Enclave)

The NCR getting blown up was practically inevitable. It's impossible to imagine a nation as corrupt and militarized as the NCR (or US govt for that matter) NOT getting blown up

@therabbi9848

3 ай бұрын

It’s not hard to see down the road that happening to the NCR. However the NCRs destruction and the territory’s complete devolution demands further explanation. Shady Sands getting nuked surely could destroy the NCR as an organization, but that doesn’t explain at all what happened to other cities within the NCR like the boneyard. Just because DC got nuked in the real world that wouldn’t mean that every state in the union would collapse into complete anarchy.

@maybetomorrowmaybe

3 ай бұрын

you can literally NUKE THE NCR in new vegas itself and the show takes place 15 years after new vegas, its very inevitable something would have happened in that time

@drunkkoschei2012

3 ай бұрын

@@maybetomorrowmaybe you don't nuke "THE NCR", you nuke only the road. Literally the road.

@drunkkoschei2012

3 ай бұрын

Impossible to whom? To redditors? NCR literally existed throughout entire Fallout series from the very beginning of it. Brotherhood is way more militarizied, so what? Enclave is, so what? Bethesda still puts that toaster crap into every game. They pulled one of the lore strings out of the entire game universe "just because they want to".

The issue with dates, timelines and placement of shady really exposes incompetence more than anything. The fact that we have to debate a chalk board timeline because the show didn't convey it well is embarrassing. Then you have people straight up writing for bethesda to make it work. We need to stop this. One thing that CANNOT be written out is that Shady Sands is NOT in the LA boneyard. The first 2 games are 1:1 scale, they are clearly far away from each other (almost 300 miles actually), and are two separate, explorable locations that have very different purposes. They even became two separate states in the NCR. There is no amount of head cannon or mental gymnastics that can make this work, nor can it simply be waved off as a retcon. They are two major locations in the first game and part of the narrative, LA is where the Master was operating and where the Church was blown up. THIS is what needs to be fixed or addressed.

Short answer: Yes Long answer: YYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS

Gotta love how Todd came out and said that both are canon and the co lead of the show said that they "respect" what previous developers brought to the franchise. Truth is, they did not give a single thing about NV and pre NV canon. With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

bluds got the Reddit accent

@roachdoggjr8399

3 ай бұрын

The Elmer Fudd dialect

In new Vegas you can drastically influence the fate of the region, for the show they could make cannon pretty much anything TBH. When I played the game I was a child with barely any understanding of what was going on, and my first completion was an absolute sShtorm, maybe they are going for a cannon ending along those lines, after all the currier got it's head blasted, we could probably discard any ending above int 4

@endosaurus1404

3 ай бұрын

They might even be adding another 'ending' so to speak. Even then it's been 15 in-game years since the last time we've seen NV.

I hope we get to see the legion in season 2

"The bombs fell when I was a kid" - Maximus, Fallout season 1 episode 5. Maximus refers to bombs, plural, not a single bomb which deflates the videos conjecture as to why only Shady Sands was bombed. Based on what Maximus said to Lucy, we can imply that Vault-Tec didn't just bomb Shady Sands, it hit every single major city in the NCR, which may have only been a few more cities, but enough to effectively set back the NCR by well over a century, if not entirely end it, and would also revert much of California to its wasteland state from the fallout radiation from the bombs. As far as the chalkboard discrepancy goes, there is no discrepancy. The arrows in the timeline on the chalkboard clearly indicate passage of time between events. The Fall of Shady Sands, whatever that may mean, doesn't equate to the date of the bombing even if there is no date for the bombing on the chalkboard. That's left ambiguous and probably was done so on purpose by the showrunners. We do know that both Lucy and Maximus are portrayed as being in their early twenties given the their status in their relative factions and that Maximus was portrayed as being approximately 4 - 6 years old in the flashback scenes after the bombing of Shady Sands which would make the bombing an event that occurred somewhere between 2284-2286, not 2277 so there is no inconsistency with the lore of the West Coast from the Fallout games.

No way I didn't know you were into Fallout. You're one of my fav ER lore channels

I don't understand the problem. New Vegas is canon, the show isn't.

@danb4900

3 ай бұрын

The show is canon

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

@@danb4900 But the show isn't for the fans, so why would it be canon?

@Zarxiel

3 ай бұрын

@@danb4900 until Fallout 5 when Bethesdas next lead writer decides its not canon, I'm just a step ahead

@barricadedpurifier

3 ай бұрын

@@danb4900The show is for general audiences. Not for fans or those who care about the lore unfortunately. West coast is now East Coast 2.0 but with sand and even more shanty towns.

@Crocthunder

3 ай бұрын

@@RedStar441 Yall need to learn critical thinking skills so badly

I bet they are gonna do it like that The battle of the dam happened and ncr took loses maby they had to move most of their forces out of shady sands so it became less governed and "fell" but was still like a megaton or diamond city, a hub for survivors? Then Henry did the big bad after his wife made him mad. So for this theory mouldaver wouldn't even be ncr would she? Just leading people in their old base and using their equipment, just like that old man and his son Tommy out scooping bullet casing in ranger armor

Shady sands was founded on vault 15. With Bud askins being the junior vice president he could have probably used the vault’s reactor to nuke the town.

im not surprised bethesda want to make nv non canon. it is a testament to everything they cant do - solid writing, great atmosphere, varied quests, actually interesting characters, and a story with more than 1 outcome. curse you, todd howard

@endosaurus1404

3 ай бұрын

Literally why would they want to make it non-canon? Who gets the money when people buy NV? Who benefits from its great reviews? It's certainly not obsidian, at least not anymore.

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

@@endosaurus1404 You don't understand how petty Bethesda is.

@Sad_Mercy

3 ай бұрын

@@endosaurus1404 They arent making much money off it at all, its a 15 y.o. game thats like 10 dollars.

@K-Sha1

3 ай бұрын

@@endosaurus1404 Bethesda's lead writer is known to be very petty and vindictive. Not only that, but the pre-existing canon of the west coast pokes holes in the borderline fanfiction Bethesda has written for Fallout. The fact that the stuff written by Obsidian and the original Fallout devs still exist is a continuity issue, and Bethesda doesn't like continuity issues created by someone other than themselves.

@syndicalistcat3138

3 ай бұрын

@@endosaurus1404 I dont thing NV sells that much nowadays(even tho it is the best new gen Fallout) lots of people only know and played "Fallout" 4 and "Fallout" 76 the newest Bugthesda fanfictions. New Vegas is not a big loss for them.

i'd say the bar is high after the last of us

I just need Yes man. That’s it.

@garrulousgoldmask

3 ай бұрын

The NV voice cast was absolutely GOAT tier! Plenty of opportunities for cameos in Season 2

@jaeslow6347

3 ай бұрын

I honestly think they will go with the House ending, because it leaves it open for Yes Man to be re-activated, as with the House ending he CANNOT be destroyed, he is simply taken offline. This leaves Hank (and other factions) to try and take over the strip in the next season by getting hold of Yes Man. This is all guesswork, but its what I feel will happen, as it leaves House as the main antagonist (other than Hank) and Yes Man as the McGuffin that the plot revolves around.

Every other faction has been given the boot. In New Vegas, the brotherhood can barely keep it self together, and the enclave is at best a squad of noble wastelanders wanting to make a better name for their family. The NCR did in it's final moments what most factions try to do in 10 or 20 years- so I dumbfounded to how they did them dirty, if anything the only other faction you can compare them too is the eastern brotherhood chapter- When DUST made it clear it was most likely that New Vegas would fall due to mostly the tunnelers, we praised to to hell and back, when the TV show does something like it, suddenly it's a issue. Everyone wants dearly to see some NCR ranger kicking ass when we all seem to forget the ranger armor was never theirs to begin with. The death of faction does not mean they plan to wipe out the plot of one of the worlds most dearly hold games and seeing other commenters echo this sentiment it's hairpulling.

@anuspotatus2153

3 ай бұрын

DUST is a non-canon mod, the show is canon. Huge difference.

@ThomasTheBullet

3 ай бұрын

​@@anuspotatus2153 Wait so when DUST does it, it's ok becuase it's free and not cannon and doesn't deserve the same level of care and feedback you would give to the show because ... it's cannon? Lmao guess I shouldn't bring up Fallout Tactics anytime soon DUST and the Fallout TV are not apples and organs, they can be compared for the sake of a debate ya know?

@luispao1998

3 ай бұрын

​@@ThomasTheBulletLmao what

@syndicalistcat3138

3 ай бұрын

Tunnelers are dumb mutants not an invasion force!

@ThomasTheBullet

3 ай бұрын

@@syndicalistcat3138 The theory is they're very great at reproduction and will over take by sheer numbers rather then thru any intelligent means, but not gonna lie I do see the value in it also be likely they would still be too dumb to do anything about New Vegas (Also could very much simply go attack somewhere else)

I guess either NCR or a Strip faction won Hoover Dam and shit went down as the aftermath of that as there is no real sign of the Legion.

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

Then why would they be so desperate to find this cold fusion reactor if they already have Hoover Dam.

@haydenharder5577

3 ай бұрын

@@RedStar441more power or house won

Well teachnicaly theres two Yes Man endings, one were Vegas becomes an idependent state and the other well Yeah Only ending that can be canon Atleast in the main story Ulises, Eljiah and maybe the Think Tank could have some ties but somehow i doub that Still of all tge posible endings They chouce the one people expected the least

Maybe the end credits are what is to be in the future and the courier with house destroy new Vegas and re open in Los Angeles due to the introduction of cold fusion he would no longer have to worry about power problems in Vegas and the struggle over Hoover dam

I mean there are two options that they could be going in either the house ending is Canon or the independent ending is Canon and when Hank gets to New Vegas it's going to be yes man on the screen which would be hilarious Either way NCR lost the battle at Hoover dam and perhaps the blow to their capital city was enough to make the government collapse I'm not defending the show I'm angry about the retcons too but I am trying to see how they're going to fix it and I'm hoping they'll go that direction

It is canon tho? Doesn’t the show take place after fallout 4. I thought it was just saying the House ending in NV was the canon route

@ziokalco

3 ай бұрын

House ending results in a thriving new Vegas super power, 90% sure that isn't it

@1810jeff

3 ай бұрын

If you're referring to the show it has been said by Todd that it is as canon as it gets if you're talking about fallout new vegas there isn't a canon ending.

@barricadedpurifier

3 ай бұрын

You must play 1,2, and NV to understand why OG fans are upset.

You would think the chalk board would say the exact year Shady Sands got destroyed. Or Maximus would have mentioned to Lucy what year the city he grew up in as a kid was destroyed. Now if the chalk board had on it "The fall of the NCR 2277" that would be reasonable as that’s when the first costly battle of Hoover dam was and in NV the NCR seem to be struggling with over expansion and supply issues. And for how much I liked the show I would have preferred if it was Ulysses, Father Elijah, or the Courier to have contributed to the down fall of the NCR we see in the show over Lucy's dad destroying the city.

@Blank55600

3 ай бұрын

No that wouldn't be reasonable. Falling in 2288 would have been reasonable yet here we are with vague answers to detailed questions.

Good theory, Barry Kripke

It’s a great show but it irritates me a lot like the NCR has other cities they could use that as a capital instead of Shady Sands but no no professors gotta ruin something that obsidian entertainment made because made a better game than them

They can fix this. If they go with the ending that House did win and the NCR went to war with him over the hoover dam that could explain why the NCR is so sparse. It would have taken everything the NCR had to even stand a chance against House and maybe left New Vegas in ruin and the NCR defeated

When they fall out TV show has voltech launched in the missiles that already made it and I cannon because if you go into the harbor and fallout 4 you'll find a Chinese sub that the Captain admitted to launching nuclear missiles is either the Chinese and voltec working together or is the show just not Canon

New Vegas is canon. I don’t get why people think it’s not. This is getting ridiculous

@HondaCivic-gf6yz

3 ай бұрын

bc NewVegastards are uncapable of doing basic math

@JonJurgenstein

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, the show is out and it's confirmed so people need to stop hating

@Godzilla52

3 ай бұрын

Honestly I don't think it matters if it's canon or not when the show does everything it can to wipe the slate clean in regards to most of the West Coast lore. There's no post war adobe built infrastructure and everybody just lives as dirty hobos in shanty town made from garbage and pre-war junk (or worse yet dilapidated pre-war houses in the middle of the desert with no supplies or amenities). It took one of the most interesting regions in the franchise and turned it into Bethesda style static/lawless wasteland where everything looks like it was frozen in time 50 years or so after the bombs fell. The debate about New Vegas not being canon anymore doesn't really matter when functionally the West Coast has been turned into East Coast 2.0.

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

You say that and the show backs that up with nothing to prove it. You can repeat Todds words all you want but he is not invited to the cool kids table.

@breadstick8502

3 ай бұрын

I always have thought that in a game adaptation to books,shows or movies the games are always canon

New vegas is canon

The one i still hate is 76

They don’t know lol they just trying to keep the lore intact lol

People shouldn't take soulless corporate slop seriously :)

@darlanvalente7790

3 ай бұрын

That doesn't change the fact that they made slop with my little precious game :(

@diegeticfridge9167

3 ай бұрын

Well said

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

I don't, but the slop eaters do.

If it contradicts the games, the show is no longer canon. Not the other way around.

You’re wrong. Sorry. regardless of whether or not it perfectly aligns with the games, it is still a good show. I honestly don’t care if it fits, we could just say it’s an alternate universe. Fallout games never have a perfectly consistent lore, and things often clash in ways that don’t perfectly align with previously stated lore. That being said, it does fit. The showrunner has stated that New Vegas is still canon, which confirms it is. “The fall of Shady Sands” refers to internal strife and political struggles- saying that the NCR was beginning to lose faith in its leadership. This is literally what New Vegas shows so this is the correct interpretation. I also think you are misreading Vault Tecs philosophy on nukes. In previous games, it’s been shown Vault Tec had nukes. Vault-Tec didn’t get to use any of its nukes, I highly doubt that the ghoul's wife would have allowed him to have his kid out on the day she knew they would be nuked. Considering she’s close to the top of the company, no way in hell she wouldn’t know. The show goes to great lengths to explain that the reason Vault TEC hadn’t used its nukes is because it had no reason to. All of the people with access to nukes were in Vault 31, people who were cryogenically frozen and woken to run Vault 33. They had never even left the vault until Lucy’s mom left, and that’s when Lucy’s father found out about the Shady Sands and nuked them. He only did it because he didn’t want them to have information to lead them to the vault. It makes perfect sense, he can’t destroy something they don’t have any reason to know about. None of the other members of management had ever even stepped out of the vault, and it seems the vault has no form of outside communication outside of opening the door to let people back in. I also wanna make the point that making fun of this writer being the guy who wrote Game of Thrones's final season is stupid and shows you don’t know how writing a television show works. Like, TV shows have multiple writers, and the credited writer is in charge of putting together a script. This final episode was an all-hands-on-deck affair, and the credited writer just got a say over the final pass. If none of your other points make sense and the only point left is “lol he wrote this other thing I don’t like-“ you are being biased dude. Finally, I think the point about it being bad that the audience doesn’t get to see New Vegas get destroyed in a massive fight is stupid. You do realize this game series is called “Fallout” right? It’s not about the big events, it’s about the aftermath of big events. I see no reason why a ruined New Vegas means we can’t still have an interesting story. Learning what happened to New Vegas is way more interesting than just seeing played out beat for beat. That would be so boring, the whole point is the mystery. If you don't like the show, that's fine. But don't make up reasons why it's bad. Form an argument, or just admit you can't explain why.

@Godzilla52

3 ай бұрын

The issue is that it pretty much kills West Coast Fallout lore going forward by resetting everything to a Bethesda style static & lawless wasteland where everyone lives in garbage and it perpetually appears that things are frozen in time no more than 50 years since the bombs fell. (even as the chronology moves forward) Unless season 2 corrects it, it's likely that little to no remnants of West Coast lore still exist and if other official IPs want to continue those stories are appropriate those settings, it will no longer be possible. It's not a bad show, but it's implications for the franchise going forward are terrible, because it ensures the dominance of the static wasteland trope in all regions of the franchise for the foreseeable future and dumbs down the world building.

@mgass1354

3 ай бұрын

"The showrunner has stated" Ever hear of gaslighting? It's a thing.

@Helperbot-2000

3 ай бұрын

"wHy cAnT wE jhUsT maSs mArkEt EverYtHinG tO rEtaRdS lIkE mE?"

No. It's not. The location of Shady Sands changed, they nuked it prior to New Vegas' timeline and that simply changes the entire New Vegas lore because nothing else in New Vegas could be as it was with these changes.

@evanbackhouse7

3 ай бұрын

In other words, Bethesda are too incompentent to carry on where Interplay/Obsideian left the franchise and now needs to wipe the slate clean for the incoming influx of new fans who couldn't keep up, which this show is very clearly marketed towards.

@mgass1354

3 ай бұрын

@@evanbackhouse7 Oh, I think it goes beyond incompetence. Bethesda bought the Fallout IP and made Fallout 3. Even at that point, the OG Fallout fans like myself were deriding the new direction. When Obsidian made New Vegas, it was and still is considered by many to be the best Fallout game. Obsidian has asked to be allowed to do another Fallout game on numerous occasions and are always told no. Fallout 4 released, was derided, and then Fallout 76 that was a disaster. Think Todd wants another Fallout game made by Obsidian that would be hailed as better than his games? I mean, they ARE saying no to the money a new Obsidian Fallout game would bring in. As for the tv series, if you wanted to erase the lore of the game hailed as the best Fallout game and far better than your games, what would you do? You'd nuke the lore in the show so the new people don't see it as canon; only your lore.

Omfg I am so tired of NV fans bitching and moaning about anything that isn’t NV

@Alpha_Draconis20

3 ай бұрын

So wierd people want both good and consistent writing right? What would the point be to get invested in lore if you know it could just be changed when the next story in the series comes out.

@jaeslow6347

3 ай бұрын

I cant wait for Season 2 to neatly explain what exactly happened to Shady in relation to NV because of all this bitching, they are just gunna have to do it all in one flashback episode to appease the NV wierdo's.

@theholyemu3716

3 ай бұрын

The fallout fandom is a constant cycle of every fan blaming the other types of fans. New Vegas fans complain about other games while other fans complain about New Vegas fans repeat that forever. Because fandom fandom never changes

@RedStar441

3 ай бұрын

If you set this show in the pacific north west or canada it'd be fine. But slapping this shit on the west coast when it's already had an established history is lazy.

@Crocthunder

3 ай бұрын

@@Alpha_Draconis20 Its funny yall are a minority who are confused and misled by your own

Again "the game's sense of goofy humor" I don't understand where people are getting that. There's no goofy humor in the games anywhere close to the show. Perhaps fallout 4 but that's the extent of it

@Plight_

3 ай бұрын

"There's a lot of earning potential at the end of the world" is also one of the dumbest lines I've ever heard. Crazy if came from Mr House's mouth.

Its almost as if the game and show are just their own separate timelines. Wow, such a difficult concept to understand 🤦

If you look into the Interplay era of Fallout its clearly shown that Chris Avalone planned on the NCR getting nuked or destroyed in Van Buren, so yall mfs blaming bethesda for the idea dont know shit abt the series at all when this was the plan all along.

@syndicalistcat3138

3 ай бұрын

Thats not true, no one would have nuked the NCR in Van Buren. Victor Prespers goal, the main antagonist, was to wipe every lifeform from Earth with the help of B.O.M.B.-001 space station not just the NCR and the players goal was to stop him!

@barricadedpurifier

3 ай бұрын

No? If you actually looked at it, it wasn’t the NCR getting nuked but the entirety of what’s left of America, EVERYTHING. Not just NCR. And you’re supposed to stop the bad guys from doing so with the help of every faction.

New vegas wasn't canon to begin with.

@OG_Deadpool

3 ай бұрын

The Fallout Lead Designer even confirmed that NV was and still is Canon.

Well yeah it is canon because the show takes place 16 years after New Vegas. So all the games are still canon. Dumb video