I understand what you mean but it's definitely not plagiarism. Even some of Stephen king books or the witcher book series reminded me of other books.

@willowingwhispers2612

29 күн бұрын

There's a difference between books simply reminding you of other stories, and books flat out having the same exact plot almost scene for scene as other stories. The latter is outright plagiarism.

If it's displaced it's not plagiarism in fiction. That would only be in academia. This is how writing works, and it actually can't work any other way. But I do commend you for spotting the intertextuality.

@faustianbargains

4 ай бұрын

100%. Most if not all fiction falls into this.

It’s not just Last of Us: Silversaints are like a group of Witchers. And each Witcher has the same powers of Blade. Dior’s story is definitely the story of The Da Vinci Code. The framing device is Interview with a Vampire and Name of the Wind mixed together.

@Hellsing7747

3 ай бұрын

They don't have the same power o f blade. Also,it's not like the witcher invented something like that first

You’re not wrong. It reminded me of too many existing popular stories.

I love these books ,never made the connection, but you are right 😂 I don’t care though, great books!

I haven’t played (or watched) TLoU but the comparison seems pretty 1:1. I can think of a lot of other grumpy-sunshine father/daughter style stories but this does have a tonne of very specific similarities. I’d noticed similarities to other media (mainly in the world-building and some of the characters) but I wonder if this explains why I also really loved the first half of the book and really did not like the second half, since it felt a bit played by rote, predictable, derivative etc. While I like the vibe of the series I feel like it’s a re-skin of a bunch of existing things all smushed together. I wouldn’t have noticed the TLoU parts, so I’m glad you pointed that out!

@rynold4270

4 ай бұрын

**Spoilers** It goes beyond the things we mentioned in the video as well. One of the major plot events that is also just straight from the TLoU if when Gabe is incapacitated and Dior needs to take care of him. That literally happens in the last of us where Joel is hurt via an injury and goes into a coma type situation. So Ellie needs to find medication and protect him while she goes out and hunts and stuff. So yeah... like... its kind of ridiculous. 1 or 2 things, fine... the entirety of the second half, suspicious haha

Every story ever has been told and retold, remixed and repeated throughout time. Doesn't mean its plagiarism. For it to be plagiarism, it has to be lifted word-for-word in swaths of text. Could it be seen as copying and unoriginal? Maybe. . .but plagiarism? No. I think we throw that word around too liberally in creative spaces some times. How many retellings of fairytales are there out there? And yet people continue to buy them and love them, rightfully so. Everyone has a story to tell and everyone has a way to spin it inn their own way. I definitely get the vibe of The Witcher, mashed with Bloodborne, told in the style of Interview with the Vampire and then bathe in some Christian allegory and taint with vampire lore. But its done with some seriously beautiful and flowery prose. It was done well and though you can definitely see the influences of other materials, that doesn't make it plagiarism. A Court of Thorns and Roses is well loved in BookTok spheres but it has scenes lifted near entirely from Howl's Moving Castle, the movie version, is mashed together with Beauty and the Beast and then its sequel has Hades and Persephone mythos painted onto it. But its still beloved, despite the obvious influences of other stories. Still not plagiarism. Inspired, yes. Not stolen. The Lion King is Shakespeare's Hamlet in the animal kingdom. Point is, all stories are inspired by one another--scenes can reflect one another in all media and be homage to one another. Creative spaces are symbiotic that way.

Also, a scene was directly lifted from Salems Lot. Almost word for word, just different names and a technically different religion. Spoilers: The scene where the priest trusts in the holy symbol instead of his faith, and doesn't put it down, so his power fails.

@TathagataMitraTom

4 ай бұрын

Wow. I had no idea.

@Hellsing7747

3 ай бұрын

Dude, it's in other fictions, too. Like in " fright Night" for instance... If you are looking for similarities, you are going to find them even in your favorite books and movies.

@thefitgm335

2 ай бұрын

​@@Hellsing7747 it's a vampire trope.

@mrsnaythomas9773

2 ай бұрын

In one of the authors interviews he specifically stated that scene was a nod to Salems Lot because that is one of his favorite books.

@itsagoddam.pandamic

Ай бұрын

@@mrsnaythomas9773 I'm not sure just calling it a nod absolves it of being plagiarized, but at the end of the day I guess that's up to each individual and how they feel about it. Personally, I don't like it. Also, it just reminded me of a book I enjoyed waaaaaay more.

I see where you are coming from, but no matter what the story is, you will find stories that have a lot of the same plot points/ devices. It's just confirmation bias. You are ignoring all the things that don't match and focusing on things that do match. We all know how it feels, when the dots seem to connect. But you are stripping the story to just the points that match, and ignoring a lot of things and other characters. Dior is important, but not more important than other characters and relationships. And the end of book 1 is not the end of the story. Also, plagiarism is a heavy word, I would nit be surprised if people were offended.

Yeah, definitely sounds like plagiarism. Like you said, there is a hard line between using popular tropes or themed ideas *vs* literally ripping off plot points and story elements from another piece of already existing work. If the story is legit so similar you can see how it'll play out almost scene by scene, there's no question it's stolen. The sad thing is, people nowadays don't see it or they ignore it. They like to use the words "well nothing is original anymore" to justify stealing other peoples work and its sad. Nothing might be original, but that doesn't excuse flat out stealing and tweaking someone else's hard work because they're too lazy to come up with their own thing. Changing the names and some creatures or places doesn't make it your own work. That's still stealing when everything else is the same.