Is Electronic Shifting Better Than Mechanical? | Shimano Alfine DI2

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Today we talk about the pro's and con's to installing electronic shifting to your bike (or a Brompton in our case)
This conversation splits rooms and everyone has their favourite.
I personally lean towards DI2 but that's because I simply love tech and while costly it honestly only enhances the experience of cycling IMO.
So lets try and answer the question!
Is electronic shifting worth it?
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:49 Adjusting on the fly
1:43 Reliability
2:36 Shifting during climbing
3:23 The happy positive
4:15 The Practical Element
5:27 Battery Problems
6:03 Weight
6:23 Cost
7:05 Hub Resistance
7:57 Do you need DI2?
8:51 Conclusion
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  • @martincoutts6747
    @martincoutts67477 ай бұрын

    Great job.

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the continued support Martin.

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
    @finncarlbomholtsrensen11887 ай бұрын

    I'm impressed how You make the Camera "float" in front and to the side, during rides! But you may be able to carry an extra "Solar Panel" on your back! I have thought about adding an extra chain-wheel in front, and a shifter on the frame, but actually 12 and more low gears on a Brompton will be absolutely "absurd", as I hardly know for what use I have the - "low gears" on my present 6 speed, now more than "Superlight" (below 9 kilo, and still falling, when I get a little more time to work on it! I expect to be able to reach at least - below 8,5 kilo and still with my Mudguards, as "Rainy Dane"). Only till I found one, of two local - steep Serpentine Road going up, and then found use for them, also walking up, being unable to ride on my bike!!! But that was the only time. Finn. Denmark

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    Got a video coming out on Wednesday covering the details of the official Brompton 12s information and my conclusion was a front chain ring with two different size would be a great overall update compared to the added weight that the 12s will add

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TheBromptonGuy I have seen comments with people using a shoe or hand, to be able to change gears in front. But if so it should be rather easy to also mount a front-changer on the frame to do it? As a man who hates to get my fingers dirty/oily and with a normally well lubricated chain, I wouldn't like at all to have to change my chain manually! Finn. Denmark

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    lmao when it doubt get the shoe out. Feels like a proper old school approach.@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TheBromptonGuy I look forward to see it. I have several sizes Chainrings for my front, but I have never actually changed any, as I find the original gearing rather fine. And honestly I already find my present option of 6 gears fine and enough (Even with the rather absurd Brompton solution of changing! In my much younger days I had a similar gear system on a Danish, S.C.O. Touring bike, which was able to climb absurd hills*, as a Brompton!). Finn. Denmark * Near my former home we still have an old, long English built iron bridge (3,2 km and by then, the longest in Europe!) from 1937, with a pass up from the road going under. On my S.C.O. I could climb it, with a felt risk of falling backwards! Sadly it is intended to be blown away when a new bridge with two tracks for rails has been finished in a short time (Being built as finished sections on pillars and to a degree near being finished!). We (Denmark) are presently also building an 18 km tunnel (Fehmarn Belt tunnel, KZread) - below the water to Germany, with two railroad tracks and four lanes for cars - driving for themselves 😂😊😄! The new Bridge must be prepared for the hoped for increase in traffic also to Sweden, Norway and - Finland. And the Profit will be all Danish then! Finn

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
    @finncarlbomholtsrensen11887 ай бұрын

    "Errare Humanum Est"! But it demands a Machine to make things totally stop functioning! And that is why I still like to be able to manually change my gears, with a - near as good function, as with a Machine doing it for me! And a minor weight sawing also, of course! I did look at an Electronic front shifter for my Carbon MTB though, just to prove me wrong of course, but never managed to find a system able to do it. ☺ Finn. Denmark

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    Out of curiosity have you ever ridden a carbon road bike with integrated di2? I test cycled a BMC Time Machine many moons ago and that bike made me fall in love with cycling and without it wouldn’t have stubbled across this amazing Brompton journey.

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TheBromptonGuy No actually not. My several hand built and Superlight bikes have mostly been built before much thought of that kind of gadgets, and I'm sure it functions fine, most of the time? It is a race You are never able to win, as new and better parts are constantly being made, to be bought. But I'm not fond of having to rely on an extra battery, to be charged at intervals, even when far from a functioning socket! I had a Makita, a very heavy ½ folding bike, with two 18 volt Tool Batteries as help, and they didn't last that long a distance! Of course a battery only for the shifting won't at all be that much pressed, but riding in Northern Finland or Norway may be far from Electricity. And my fingers still functions fine, even as an old man of soon to be 76! Finn. Denmark 😁

  • @PDN_Den
    @PDN_Den7 ай бұрын

    Hi Dave, as I live in London I’d like to know it is faster than a speed explorer? I am going to upgrade to a 54t chain ring from a 50t. So would only consider it if the ‘wider’ ratio of the Di2 means faster gearing. I have no mountains to peddle up.

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the comment. I can't test the exact setup but the speeds would almost be identical IMO because the smallest gear is around the same. 54t for where I live is proper hardcore but the lower range on the 11 speed makes it manageable where as the stock hub just about kills me lol. Hope that somewhat helps friend

  • @codak29
    @codak297 ай бұрын

    I don't think I need Di2, but I do want lower gearing. I hope the 3x3 or 3x4 Brompton rumors are true. I'll buy parts to upgrade for more gears. Not ready to trust the Taiwanese cassette modifications.

  • @seductive_Octopus

    @seductive_Octopus

    7 ай бұрын

    No rumor, in a official German bike show, a official Brompton employee said, they will in 2024 release a 12 gear version . It's a German video , so no-one speaks English in the video but even the 12 gänge are in the title. (Gänge= gears)

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    I can't say for sure until all details are released but I reckon the 11speed alfine will still have a lower gear over the 3x4 gearing of the new brompton. Still will have the problem of not being able to shift well while pedalling. Thanks for watching.

  • @TheBromptonGuy

    @TheBromptonGuy

    7 ай бұрын

    but they don't have a 4 speed internal hub yet right? 4x3 makes more sense to me cause they can use the p-line tech mixed with the 3 speed hub.

  • @seductive_Octopus

    @seductive_Octopus

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TheBromptonGuy kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmlh0pKJn7m8pMo.htmlfeature=shared

  • @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

    7 ай бұрын

    As an owner of a 6 speed, 2019 Superlight I don't need a lower gearing, as I may - walk faster than that, going up! And Taiwanese parts may as well be of a high quality, as also several of my low weight, titanium parts come from the East. As a Dane I really don't care as long as the shit functions and I have a Titanium seat posts and - many parts of high quality, not even being thought about from Brompton! As a former Craftsman I normally know what to look for in quality! Finn. Denmark

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