My favorite case of "Smash Effect" was to find out that the googly eyed kitchen pot that goes GAD DAYUM and AYO THE PIZZA HERE known as Gutbuster is a real badnik from a single Knuckles Chaotic stage I thought Zipp, Pulseman and Vectorman and Orta, which still surprised me but knew of, were deeo cuts, but that was quite something. Devs have went on record that missing chars from Kart's packaged bonus chars such as Vector, Omega, Hero and Dark Chao and etc aren't intentionally cut but nore so... possibly coming back in a future update as they ran out if time to finish them. It actually adds up with a few other chara seen in previews during the V2 era that aren't seen in RR yet such as Vanessa from Virtua Fighter 4. Also, that super obscure secret is one of my favorite things because it comes from an server inside joke that persisted for two or three years during the wait for the game until it released. A true prophecy fulfilled. All in all, while it can definitely kick you in the balls sometimes (playing it in a lobby where I got tumbled five times in a race actually had me dip hours later into Kart just to freshen up lol, and oh I know well how SS14 can kill you), but it legit has been the first game that has had me hooked to play it at least once DAILY. I spent three weeks straight playing almost nothing but RR, and considering how my attention is sometimes easy to sway, I call that a huge compliment to how tight the single player package with challenges and getting to go fast with all the mechanics clicking like hell had me going insane for the game. I've got all 14 emeralds in Normal diff, gotta continue the challenge you unlock from that, but aside from that one terrible day which tbf was one in 28 otherwise fantastic days or working on maps (I've already got two ready to go when the message board opens), it has been quite the damn ride. I know I won't relive the same first week magic playing after that, aside from getting miraculous first place steals in online, but man, the time I spent with it since then has made the five year wait worth it.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

You've had a pretty similar experience to mine I see. I've only missed like 2 days of playing due to irl stuff (though I'll probably miss more now due to the TTYD remake), and I've S Ranked about... half the cups in Master Difficulty? The grind is REAL

I was bummed out by the initial reception of the game with people dissmissing it based on opinions from others garnered from little playtime. Stuff like that really discourages new people from trying the game and it breaks my heart to see years of hard work and effort go ignored like that. Genuine thanks for spreading the good word on ring racers, this game fricking slaps.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you but it's also super understandable why people are so negative. It's genuinely really sad how poorly the game actually communicates its mechanics I've been watching a friend slowly learn the game, and he enjoys it, but there's a lot he wouldn't know if I wasn't there to help him

I've played kart for at least 3 years before trying ring racers it just... didn't click with me. as much as i've tried to like the game, going even as far as s-ranking the first 14 cups, it's still a "nah" from me. I don't care if it's a skill issue, i'll just stick to kart

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

That's fair. Not everyone clicks with it, and that's okay!

Nice to see a fellow Green Knuckles racer.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

HELL YEAH

Honestly yeah, the tutorial definitely left me a bit clueless on how I should be using some of these moves, especially the whip, the full dedicated section made it appear much more important than it actually was. My main kind of gripe was definitely with the stages and the CPU's. By all means, a lot of the stages were incredibly good, but a few just felt way too cramped and didn't leave much room for error, had to leave and come back to certain prix's because of this. And the ridiculous rubber banding with the rival cpu really made it feel much worse, I know it's kind of intentional but it feels a bit bullshitty to get sugarcoated by my rival on the final lap because they coincidentally had a humungous speed boost in the last 2 seconds of the lap. Other than that though, it's quite nice, as a pixel artist I love the whole vibe of the game, levels look stunning, the additional window vfx really hit it out of the park and some of the custom soundtracks are absolute bangers. (Sorry for the yapping) But yeah I agree completely with what was said here, very fair review, keep up the good work!

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Oh no don't apologize for yapping. I love long insightful comments like these! Clearly a lot of people had issues with the CPUs, since they've been nerfed at least a little every patch so far. They're not as bad now that I've put a lot of hours into the game, but at first it was ROUGH

I didn't know people were so split on this game, but I also didn't consider the SRB2K to RR perspective. On my end, I was comparing this game to Team Sonic Racing, and really enjoying how Ring Racers kart-ifies Sonic gameplay. The character selection was really weird to me when I'd see specific characters, but not others- usually in terms of "we have have Player 2, but not Player 1. Luigi, without Mario." Whisper, but no Tangle. Carol, but no Lilac. At least Surge is the "Player 1" in this context, instead of having "Kit, but no Surge." I'm sure characters like those will either become mods, or be in officially down the line, so it's whatever, just a strange starter pack.

I had always thought about picking up SRB2 Kart, but never got around to figuring out how to install it. Then I saw a dialog compilation of Tails and Eggman discussing paint colors, was impressed at the level of detail, and decided to give Ring Racers a go. As someone who generally considers herself not the best at gaming, all the "This is not a pick-up and play game!" warnings and the complicated mechanics scared me a bit, but I figured I'd try Grand Prix's on Relaxed until I hit a wall. Thus far, I've gotten the credits to roll, haven't gotten so frustrated I wanted to drop it, and I'm just absolutely astounded by how high quality and fun it is for something that's LITERALLY FREE. There's dozens of references I immediately popped off at (the popcorn, Joyopolis, and Regal Ruin stages all come to mind, and even I'm not sure how I recognized Popful Mail the first time I saw her...) I guess years of Mario Kart and Sonic Racing were good for something, too, because picking up the basic controls wasn't nearly as hard as I feared it was going to be. I have yet to try online or the harder difficulties yet, so if that's where people's issues lie, I can't speak to those, (and I'm trying to hold out as long as I can without using the cheat codes, so idk how long it takes to unlock things via the challenges) but all in all, I love this thing.

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

I know exactly which video you're talking about with the Spray Can colors (good video btw!) The harder difficulties might raise *some* frustrations but it seems you've gotten a good handle on the controls, so it probably won't hit you as hard A lot of people don't appreciate the level of detail and care that they've put into this game simply due to their difficulty getting into it and it's honestly a big shame But I'm very glad you've been enjoying it!

I gonna say it,WHY IS ANCIENT TOMB NOT IN THIS GAME BUT INSTEAD INCLUDE CHEMICAL FACILITY!?

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Paradise Hill and Grand Metropolis are my big sad misses but Ancient Tomb is def up there Someone tried to convince me that Abyss Garden was a sort of remake of it? But I didn't really see it aside from being able to unlock the LaTale Desert Area music for it

@sergiomendoza251

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP and Ancient Tomb is the most iconic track of srb2k for the original tracks then is not based of any Sonic level for the official games.

@sergiomendoza251

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP and Final Fall was nerfed in my opinion.

@apagan0075

2 ай бұрын

Cause the people who made those tracks aren’t in the team.

@blitzt787

2 ай бұрын

That's what I'm wondering. Krew even made a visual update to it mid-development, which I was cool with them including in the game when I left the team to go solo. Still, don't sweat it man. Not only will I eventually bring Ancient Tomb back for Ring Racers, but I'm gonna give it the upgrade I'd been meaning to give it even before we released SRB2K. For now, I got a few other maps I wanna remake first. Toxic Palace is my main focus right now. Will probably post a preview video once it's ready so stay tuned.

Finally, a reviewer that actually understands the mechanics and gave the game enough time! Seems like most just play an hour or two of it, call it quits, and then complain about it. Great video!

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I understand the difficulty at the start but first impressions aren't everything!

@apersoniguess_

2 ай бұрын

Honestly I got used to the mechanics I just think the maps at times really suck, like there’s good tracks and then there’s Marble Garden

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

@@apersoniguess_ I think a good majority of the maps are pretty solid but the stinkers are... *quite bad.*

@evdestroy5304

2 ай бұрын

If people don't like your game, maybe you should be working to improve the parts people don't like instead of dismissing their criticisms as just "you didn't play long enough."

@firedreadyblocks7427

2 ай бұрын

@@evdestroy5304 Nope. It taking a while to grasp the mechanics and use them to their fullest isn't a bad thing. Not all games are meant to be easy.

My personal take on Ring Racers, as someone who wasn't as strongly acquainted with SRB2Kart as some others were, is really just that the rubberbanding on Rivals in particular was obscene (it's still pretty strong I think, but 2.0 and 2.1 were BAD on this front, like REALLY BAD), and the tutorial really needs to be revised and reorganized. The manual now actually existing does help alleviate the tutorial's problems (mostly its failure to cover valuable advanced mechanics like sliptiding and voltage drops), but its structure is inherently very flawed. I feel pretty confident in saying that, at least to start with, most players only need a tutorial for the fundamentals (so the baseline mechanics of steering, drifting, acceleration, etc.), plus the common track design elements. (Different booster types, tripwires, trick panels, springs.) Everything else- yes, including the SPB chase- should be fully separate advanced tutorial sections the player can later *come back to* when they're ready to tackle them. A lot of the reason the tutorial takes so long in the first place is because of *how* it covers subject matter, with the actually vital things interspersed between a bunch of advanced stuff that's *nice to know* but not necessarily going to be useful to a basic player. The worst offender in this regard is *definitely* the SPB chase, that's not something most players will run into immediately due to how rare SPBs are, and it can take a *lot* of attempts to get right, especially since it throws you into a decent-length underwater segment for the first time mid-chase (something that actively made me REALLY MAD when I did the chase). There's definitely a lot to like with Ring Racers! But it has some serious growing pains to deal with, and the barrier to entry is substantially higher than its predecessor.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I 100% agree. Basic tutorial to start with then advanced tech later is how they should have done it. Would let people get on with the game at first and not just get dumped with exposition

I don't think the prize catcher has more health on stages 8-14.I think that is because of the varying amount of damage different items can do in each different state as well as the stage difficulty. Can't confirm it, but I tend to break the catcher with just 6 thrown orbinaughts no matter the stage. Example of item states: Thrown orbinaughts do more damage when thrown than orbiting.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I could've sworn they still had more health. But variable item damage definitely made that a lot more confusing for me

@vintoplad

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP I've broken claws in those stages with my first item ("orbinaughts" is the triple spike balls, yes? That's what usually did it for me), so they definitely don't have more health. What doesn't help is the "consistent RNG" variable, you can deal higher damage, and it'll happen the same way every time if you repeat your actions, yet a saved replay won't save that extra damage you dealt. I have a buggy replay where I drive slowly through the final special stage letting the claw get away and losing, because in reality I had collected the emerald right at the beginning.

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@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a really funny moment

Amazing video and good job understanding this game’s mechanics 👍😁

Though it didn't leave the best first impression, after the patches came out, I definitely played Ring Racers a lot more, and I personally feel it's definitely better than SRB2 Kart for all the additional content it throws in, AND the high multitude of tracks too! Even though I used passwords for a good deal of the stuff, getting to access a couple of those secrets on my own (like something that lurks in Espresso Lane and something in the depths of Mystic Cave) was absolutely worth doing! Kart Krew absolutely went above and beyond with the game in the past 5 years, and I couldn't be more proud. If some are still sketchy about the Tutorial, go give it a bit more of a chance. There's some pretty fun secrets you can uncover there as much as there are in the rest of the game, as well as a couple of Mystic Shrines. And if you could skip past the Tutorial? Try going to the Spray Can hall after you've nabbed them all and see what happens. :3

great review, i agree with pretty much everything you said lol. i’m sorta glad the game doesn’t make you collect all the spray cans for unlocks because WOW there are a lot of tracks but i agree that them disappearing was kinda disappointing, i think having them at least be there greyed-out but collectable or something so you can have all of them on the statistics screen if you wanted would be nice.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that seems like the perfect middle ground

I think I prefer SRB2Kart still, but only by a small slither over Ring Racers solely due to the already pre-existing mod support for the old one which makes the game experience very customizable. My experience with Ring Racers so far is very positive overall however with only flaws I can think of being the tutorial which at this point is like beating a dead horse, some minor nitpicky stuff about the game's physics (mainly slopes and those driving up walls sections) and some tracks in the game are rough to play on in comparison to others. (Which SRB2Kart also had that same issue with it's base map selection, which fortunately can be somewhat salvaged by adding custom tracks into the mix to add additional variety). Truth be told, I am still trying to hunt after complains that aren't again, beating a dead horse about the tutorial, or complaints that doesn't devolve into "I don't like it because it's too different from SRB2Kart/or even Mario Kart. I wish the game was more standardized" or "I don't like it because it's too hard". However, I can say at the very least the single player of this game is probably the most fun single-player content I've had in a kart racer for a very long time. As someone who loves secret hunting, getting all the spray cans and Ancient Shrines are a blast for me. Plus without spoiling anything, there's small hints of future content that will be added so there's still plenty of joy to be had. Plus, the game is still young and mod support has only really started. Give it some time and I believe the game can become even better, be it through future updates or mod supports.

The only thing I miss is the old drift system, all the other changes are fine

Man... I like the tutorial of Ring Racers... It's so charming...

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

Thematically, it's amazing. All the character dialogue is actually so good In terms of actually being a tutorial though, it is a little rough

Im probally gonna get flack from the SRB2K lovers for this but... I much prefer Ring Racers to it and am really sad that its inital release was flawed as hell. I like SRB2K but my main issue with it was that it was too heavily focused on multiplayer with the only single player content being time trial. I have always prefered to play single player in racing games in part due to the issue of lag when online. That and despite the tutorial not being the best, I love just how much silly dialog there is. Given the secret boss fight in the game, Im wondering if Kart Krew is planning on having a full on story mode planned later down the line.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

the secret HUH

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Wait is this tied to the "Survive" challenge? It's the only one I don't have yet

@jrhamari

2 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure it is. I havent done it either but all I know is that it exists and accessing it involves the Expresso Lane track.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

@@jrhamari interesting! I shall try hunting for it later!

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

@@jrhamari Okay found it LOL That is actually SO COOL

I've been addicted since it's release, this might be my GOTY already, I love kart racers and this is easily one of the best EVER! I really hope many people give it a shot, it deserves to succeeds and the split initial reception was such a shame cuz I got hooked even at the tutorial 😅

Although I'm not the biggest fan of some of the mechanics, overall I've gotten to enjoy how the driving feels to the point where SRB2K is the only Kart Racer that feels better. My biggest problem is that, in my opinion, a LOT of the new track designs are unironically abysmal and a crime to kart racers in general. It makes me more sad than anything else because of how much I learned to like SRB2K's track layouts. Maybe I'll eventually like these ones (although I've played a really good amount so I'm not too sure)

Good review! I love SRB2K and I saw clips of this game. It looks pretty fun but a bit more complicated in terms of mechanics compared to most kart racers. I will probably give it a shot at some point. I do like that they offer a full solo player mode unlike SRB2K. I've just heard this can be a tough one to get into for many casual kart fans. I am willing to at least give it a fair shake.

INCOMING WALL OF TEXT: Yeah, this is one of those games that takes a fair lot of getting used to before you can truly reap the rewards for doing so. From what I've played of it so far(mainly single player), it's certainly a wild ride. Well, once you get past the long tutorial, which was mandatory upon initial release. Krew did band-aid this, but still. There may be a whole lot of actions and mechanics that players will need to know, but instead of forcing the tutorial on the player, here's what I would've done from the get-go. Give the player an in-game prompt about playing, say, Grand Prix without having played the tutorial first and ASK them whether they want to proceed anyway. If they choose to press on without the tutorial, they can't say they weren't warned, y'know what I mean? Whether the player wants to take baby steps and ease their way in or if they wanna dive right on into the deep end regardless of the risks, It's for them to choose what kind of experience they want IMO. Now as for the new mechanics, rings are solid. I like fast falling, (although I'm iffy about the bounce, if only because it takes away the potential to fast-fall onto a downhill road and go zooming). Spin-dashing is alright. I like that it ignores off-road allowing for quicker recovery. Tricks I initially wasn't so fond of until it was reworked, so you can change where you're facing while in the air. I like that. My only nitpicks with tricks now are the movement being rigid upon doing either a left or right trick. You just move in a straight diagonal line instead of a gradual curve. That and the "trick" is just the character spinning in mid-air in their kart. Where's the backflips, the handstand on the steering wheel, star jumps, striking poses, all that to really bring some flavour to each of the characters so you can really style on the haters in the rear view mirror lol. Can't comment much on the insta-whip. Haven't really been using it. Now unlockables. I can't comment on all of them, but addons, online play and colours are the most questionable of them all from what I've seen. Addons, because modders will generally need to see what this game has to offer before they get on it anyway. For example, if someone wanted to port over SPB Chase(which wasn't in SRB2K) but hadn't played Ring Racers long enough to know SPB Chase is a playable mode, then they'd end up porting something that's already in the game. Not to mention that I consider Krew establishing a proper place for modders to publically share their addons the "unlockable", which still hasn't happened. Online play being an unlockable is unneccesary. This ties into the whole " Krew forcing players to play the game their way" instead of allowing the player to choose their own experience for better or for worse. I get that they don't want players to be discouraged immediately should they choose to go straight online with no prior practise and get consistently left in the dust, but I believe that's their choice to make and with that choice comes benefits and risks regardless of whether the player understands them or not. Fortunately there are passwords to kinda circumvent this, but like you said, shouldn't have needed that to begin with. Unlockable colours in the context of SRB2 and all it's mods(where all the colour palettes are available from the outset) has to be the most lackluster unlockable IMO. It's just a palette swap. However, given the sheer amount of them, it's one that ties really well with the number of courses in the game. Plus I do like the idea of searching for unlockables within the courses and when I look at Ring Racers as just it's own separate game, I don't really mind colours being an unlockable. I still think having to find the followers in each course would've been better for the treasure hunting concept, but this works too. Think I've rambled on enough for now. I do think you gave a pretty fair assessment for Ring Racers here. Pretty nice. Keep doing your thing man.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Walls of text are the best because it really makes me see very well what goes on a person's head and how they het to the conclusions they do I agree for the most part with what you said, but the fact that you're given a free spray can at the beginning with a solid list of colors makes me not as bothered, since you can just pick your favorite color (green in my case) ahead of time

@blitzt787

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP That's true, there's a decent set of colours to choose from early on. I like the purple in this game and it's what I'm working with till I can finally hit these streets as the lean, mean, Caribbean-coloured machine.

Yeah the tutorial really did a pretty poor job of explaining things. I thought the ring panel floor thing was gonna be a thing in races but it never was, it was just to demonstrate the boost from ring overflow. i ended up connecting the idea of ring overflow with that panel while being somehow oblivious for a little while why getting jackpot on ring boxes was great. The game itself, i ended up loving it more than srb2kart. Srb2kart blew away my expections of how awesome a kart racer can be, and after grasping the mechanics in the first 4 grandprix, ring racers just did it again after being a long time srb2k fan

DRRR looks fairly decent for what is worth. But my main nitpick is that my *RACERS I DREW FOR THREE YEARS CAN NOT BE USED THERE AND I WAS DEVISTATED!!!!* If anyone would like to help me port them to DRRR, that would be greatful.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I found what seems to be a port of a common Hatsune Miku mod used in SRB2K, so I'm sure it's possible! But I haven't looked into that kind of stuff that much yet

@StarForceBelmont321

2 ай бұрын

​@@OlmiOP link it?

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

@@StarForceBelmont321 not at my computer right now nor do I have a download link ready. I just found it on a server

@gustavochavarria8161

2 ай бұрын

Would you like to see my racers I've done?

Never gotten so mad at a kart game before. Also, never had so DAMN MUCH FUN with one either! This is definitely the BEST kart racer PERIOD IMO

@sergiomendoza251

Ай бұрын

Yeah

All i want is an explanation of the stats, the manual only hints at some things. For example engine classes are mentioned but characters have different stats within them so do characters in g class have better drift boosts because of their stats (heavy/slow) or is it just a flat bonus added to everyone in group g, also what does better drift boost even mean? Longer? Easier to build? Stronger accelleration?

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

To my understanding the classes only mean raw stats and nothing terribly specific about any characters outside of Heavy Magician Better drift boost would be that the boost you get after lasts longer, at leats how I understand it There's other small specifics that could have used more explaining, like acceleration characters having faster spindashes, but that on its own isn't the end of the world imo

Both SRB2 Kart and this are great with me, only gripe I have is Map Making, not much info on Doom Builder, it is just mostly SRB2 maps and Doom maps of course.

Love Ring Racers so damn much man

In my opinion, the difference between drrr and srb2k is like night and day, drrr on a purely gameplay standpoint is objectively(subjectively) better, but srb2k is WAYYY easier to get into, plus drrr needs ALOT of fixes

The way I see it, Ring Racers is one of those fan projects that really encapsulates the essnce of 90s Sega in both the absolute best AND worst ways. There are times where I FUCKING hate this game, but there's even more where I'm so charmed by the presentation and satisfied with overcoming what it throws at me that I'm having a lot of fun and generally prefer the experience to SRB2Kart, which is sumple fun, but like you said, it has a VERY hard time standing out without mods and/or friends to play with. This is definitely a game made with certain people in mind, which are mainly those that love 90s Sega culture and are wiling to embrace just about everything that entails. Not everyone does, but I am one of those people that's pretty into that sort of thing.

i recently got into Ring Racers myself and i will be honest i side with Ring racers over SRB2K for one simple reason SINGLE PLAYER CONTENT as much as i like to race online the server i would play on SRB2K ( Kart's R us ) would not always have others racing all the time so racing against AI that is just as brutal if not harder is Great practice for me granted the rubber banding can be a bit bs but then again i have also rubber banded from FAR Back 8th all the way back into 1st place i also like how there is more mechanics to make it more its own type of kart racer defiantly a high risk high reward type of game i also like how much content there is to unlock yes some are BS but if you find that perticular challenge well to challenging and time consuming ( get 14 Emeralds on Master diiculity ) just use the chao keys you collect from just playing and then there is the modding side of things while not as over the top as SRB2K ...YET from what i have played with really gets me to constatly check the DRRR addons page for any new mods uploaded ( still waiting for a Chracter pack for CTR NF so far we only got crash bandicoot needs the rest of the cast ) i also like how some mods also change the racing game play from adding a hop drift like CTR or a Risky usage of 10 Rings to sorta like Recover from being Karted but at the risk of being closer to Ring debt and the community made tracks personal favorite would be the CTR track pack but that might be nostalgia talking but still looking forward to see what is added cause unlike SRB2K when you used addons in that game your restricted to online races only ( not sure why its not like time attack was connected to the interent ) but in DRRR you can Bloat the game with all the addons you like and All game modes are still avalible to play making the Grand Prix even more Zanny and nutty Specily at Vicuous and Master Difficuly my Only gripes with the game is the late game Sealed star challenges ( just a matter of getting good ) and Encore mode being buggy and proned to crash right now thankfully there is not a Mirror mode in the GrandPrix ....yet but who knows what KartKrew will add in the future

I think the only thing that made me and my friends lost all my interest on this game is how utterly difficult it is, we haven't played to much of the game, we've only played the tutorial, but because of how stupidly difficult it is, we didn't even complete the tutorial and just quited the game because of it Not saying that it's a bad game, it's just...it forces you to utilize EVERY. SINGLE. MECHANIC. Not only that but the game forces you to get better at those mechanics I really tried to play it but...no, just no, as much as i've wanted to love it, it's too much for me.

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

That's reasonable. SRB2K being easier to pick up is a valid reason to enjoy it more, specially if you're trying to play with friends

I am having a really fun time with Ring Racers and most of its mechanics. My problem is the main rival CPU, i think it just needs a rework or simply turn it into a CPU with some extra levels of difficulty and leave it there, the CPUs aren't bad by themselves. At first i despised Death Egg, but after some replays it doesn't feel as long, even if still takes 5+ minutes. I wonder if it would be possible to make something like an adventure mode, the tutorial gives that feeling, teleporters, dialogues, objectives, zones, i think it has potential for something like a CTR campaign. Also, i want my boy Vyse back >:( Cool video👍

@sergiomendoza251

Ай бұрын

The rival system is bullshit honestly

@thekazamaster3511

Ай бұрын

@@sergiomendoza251 i find it to be a cool concept. It's just feels like a boss enemy instead of a superior CPU, it's obvious that it was made so that the Rival can be consistant in difficulty for them to reach high points to rivalize the player and make them your first target, but it can be infuriating since they are not just better CPUs, they literally cheat. The first one, because there are characters with like 3 determined Rivals, and the last 2 are pretty bearable and are able to struggle to reach high points, but the first Rival can be quite a pain, since unlike the other 2, it always stays in first place most of the time. It is valid to dislike it

Might finally jump on this now some of the bugs have been fixed and the discourse is dying off. I always assumed this was aimed at folks who are heavily into Kart racers / Kirby Air Ride fans. Fully ready to get burnt a bit if it means learning a deep game.

I got Ring Racers about a month after the initial boom, and OH MY GOD YES i love it, about a lot, it just clicks with me and making every mechanic just work makes me very happy, even if at times i get stupidly annoyed as in "what the fuck did i do wrong here if anything ? ", i still really adore this game and want to get better at it, also hell yeah the collectibles, games with Air Ride type unlocks make me want to be the guy that has every unlock, just for like "what if i want to play some couch multiplayer with someone ? ", despite the fact that i know i would just use very few stuffs. Oh yeah i like, REALLY love Ring Racers it's my favorite kart racer and if you don't then that's swag ദ്ദി•͈ -•͈)

character stay balance is my main concern to be honest in SRB2K, fast characters may have been overall better (as far as most people would say) but slower characters compensated their speed in favor of personally fun as hell gameplay, since they can take better lines, recover better, and charge sparks faster, so there's always a reason to pick one over the other speed category but in RingRacers, seeing those slow characters absolutely FLY on time trials is making me nervous, because that leaves the speed characters with arguably nothing to their name, if slow characters can do what they do and be even better, you're left with no reason to pick a third of the theoretical full roster

ALOT OF YAPPING INCOMING I'd like to preface my opinion by saying that I have played Kart on and off for 2 years and Got the first 7 emeralds in Ring Racers as my "First Impression." Use that info to assess my mediocre skill and scream skill issue if you want. Around 80-90% of players for alot of games don't care about how high the skill ceiling is as long as the skill floor is reasonable. The skill floor for Ring Racers is ALMOST unreasonable. The reason I kept going was because of my previous kart experience so the tutorials (as bad as they were) didn't really bother me. I will 100% percent agree that although Srb2(kart or otherwise)in general is made to be modded out, Ring Racers feels like a standalone game by itself and that's a good thing. My gripes(other than lmao skill issue) come with overall feel, handling, and mechanics that I feel are just unfun or just unreasonably hindering even for average or beginner players. .Bounce mechanics in general. This one's a personal one but I hate bounce mechanics in general in any game for the fact of forfeiting some control depending on said game. .Driving Slopes with no Rings is miserable and have me feeling like Sisyphus .Stairs feel bad and slippery to drive on compared to Kart. .Genuine track jank. Sure, It was also around in Kart and I know Ring Racers is new. However, it's so damn frustrating when driving off a ramp doesn't send you where you need to be for the THIRD time that same race! .Although there was a patch to have the trick system be a direction + a button(Thank god btw) realigning yourself(camera) mid trick still sucks. .Shortcut Gates. I don't mind that they exist. What I DO mind however is getting rocketed backwards when you get unlucky on your item timer. I would MUCH rather take damage and be stopped in place than that momentum killer. Plus we already have Casino night bumpers for that. (speaking of getting launched) .TUMBLING in general! Look, I get attacks in this game hit hard but there should be NO reason why I or other racers shouldn't be able to play the game for around 5-7 seconds straight, unless it's an SPB(Blue shell of this game) or you dying via -20 rings. Sometimes it feels like if you get hit into outer space in this game(ai or otherwise), your race is just over. Whereas in Kart, even on hard speed, you could catch up with the pack relatively quickly. Which is funny to say because you can flat out CHOOSE your items in this game! Don't get it twisted. I find this game good for ALOT of reasons. Sheer content, ease of setup, unlockables, etc. But for me it feels like the more I play, the less fun I have and fixate on said gripes above. It's very demotivating to say the least.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Honestly very understandable. I wouldn't call it a skill issue if you were able to get all 7 emeralds honestly Read the whole thing, you were very detailed about your gripes and it made for a very interesting read! Always good to hear both sides out :)

I really enjoy the utter insanity of Ring Racers so far, it feels like a kart racer with the complexity of a fighting game. Hopefully in the future the updates will help fix the major issues people have without ruining the fun stuff

@sergiomendoza251

Ай бұрын

SpaceySoundy said then the devs are kinda fighting game players i can see why,you can parry in battle mode.

Well we all can agree thos game is better than team Sonic racing

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, yeah That game still makes me sad

@Chillin-jg8vg

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP I wish we had a Sega transformed 2 or another Sonic riders game and that game left out Cream and put Zavok out of all Sonic villains they should of replaced him with Chaos

@sergiomendoza251

Ай бұрын

Even better then Mk8 Deluxe

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

@@sergiomendoza251 TRUEEEEE

the thing is that if they dont like it they can just go back to srb2k and pretend this never happened

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

While that's definitely a better way to go about it than needlessly complain, that doesn't really fix the potential issue. Imagine looking forward to the sequel of one of your favorite games, then being disappointed by it and how it is. Sure you can go back to the OG, but I def understand some of the negativity

so youre saying 1993 - doom 1998 - sonic robo blast 1 & 2 (tgf) 1999 - sonic robo blast 2’s first release 2006 - final demo & srb2 riders (with mario kart mode) 2012 - super srb2kart z 2018 - srb2kart 2024 - ring racers happened between those years? …in almost 20 years.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

That's actually more history than I thought LOL Also That's nearly *30* years

If you have a 40 minute tutorial in your kart racer you already failed. But this is behind an amazing yet bloated game. I do wish I could race more people on my skill level and not pro's online and the achievements suck not gonna lie Yet in love this game, inreally love it,

But, is the drift better than SRB2K?

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

It's about the same really

@sergiomendoza251

Ай бұрын

​@@OlmiOPkinda but in drrr is with 4 phases of color drift and srb2k is in 3 phases.

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

@@sergiomendoza251 Yeah that's like, the only difference I could spot myself (and it's just a tier in between the last 2) Nice addition but not a game changer

Yes

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

Nah

my experience on ring racers was very 50/50 and honestly, i understand some people why don't like ring racers a the all i enjoyed the full game and the tracks, the music, the graphics was awesome i like the tutorial but my only problem was the sega saturn controller hud, and the worst is a change the configuration for a modern racing style all buttons are mess out and that's why i can't understand the tutorial, and less because theres not a xbox/playstation/or pc keyboard to understand the controllers hud, and that is really a bullshit the special stages are sooo fun! but the 6 emeralds and the super emerald, to fun now changed to annoying and frustrating, a lot of them are so hard, really hard and unfair sometimes, losing over and over again and restart cups over and over, force me to use cheats to get the super emeralds, and i feel humiliated the new battle mode are good and bad in the same time is fun the new battle, is similar to srb2battle and battle plus mod but this mode is so broken the bubble shield in this mode is so op and the hosts don't ban this item (2.2 balance a bit this item but still broken) you can be killed so easy by this item and you can't recovery you can lose all you bumpers and get bullied the hitcombos, was unfair in race, in battle is much worse, you can do anything, and you can't parry when you get hit, only you can watch how the others bullied you and is some one use super flickies, is may worse needs to get more balance this but i don't feel kkd gonna balance a underrated mode (in srb2kart in 2019-2020 there are not any battle server and was very sad...) and on race the bad things are the the electric walls, the physics in some maps are annoying and if you get is worse the hitlag some times the bots are soo broken and some levels the rings are all over the place and is feels a additional artificial speed and very more things on this game and sadly some of them kkd will not balance so the only hopes are the divided community even this game divide my friends because nobody like ring racers for X specific thing the only hope solves ring racers is the drrr-noire build all my friends prefer play noire than the vanilla game because fixes the annoying things that's ringracers have and honestly... i prefer play noire than the vanilla game

@sonicblanco1181

2 ай бұрын

i still getting hopes for ring racers maybe a year more the community will fix and get better the game, with or not drrr-noire when gets fully released and i will honest, as a srb2kart fan... the game is now obsolete like you said, ring racers is a complete game (is still incomplete ring racers because are missing a lot of things) but compared to srb2kart, kart have only, tracks, a few characters, and battle, is a arcade game, and ring racers have a lot, A LOT and is way more complete game and kart will not dead, is gonna move for a better place is very early but i hope the community will get all the things from srb2kart to ring racers, like srb2, the community brings back the old versions (mostly) to 2.2, and 2.3 gets released the community will do the same but in 2.3 now ring racers have a custom mode support like srb2 2.2 and maybe is the community is going to make a "srb2kart racer" "srb2kart battle" and gets back the old maps to ring racers i porting srb2kart all maps to ring racers, i convert all maps to udmf and i doing bot support, add the old textures, music, and getting some help to get finished the port srb2kart is not dead, is going to get a fress air :3

I have next to no experience with SRB2K, but I've been playing Ring Racers and I love it. My only complaints is some of the tracks can be pretty brutal and sliptiding/wavedashing not really being explained is an odd choice.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I've been trying to learn sliptiding/wavedashing recently. Kinda hard to find the best uses for it

game's kino i don't get how people don't understand why they let you pick your item from the box

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I mean it is a bit crazy that you can but paying attention to the roulette can screw your driving up! Many times I focus too much on it that I hit an obvious banana. Another layer of skill to the game!

@disgustingg

2 ай бұрын

@@OlmiOP i think letting you pick your item was a deliberate choice that goes in tandem with the mechanics of ring management and the fact that they're both on the same key, and that items take priority. mario kart will give you a random item, and it's on the player to use it at the best time. ring racers will give you the time to use it (as soon after you hit the box as you can), and it's on you to pick which item would be best right at that moment, because not using ring boost makes you so much slower and trying to hog good items so punishing.

I never heard of it so yes

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Yayday pls

there are people who seriously don't like this game? are they just bad at it and coping?

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Nah, there's genuine reason to dislike this game. I don't full agree with those people, but I do understand where they're coming from Dismissing it as "skill issue" and "coping" doesn't do anyone any favors

What I hate about this game is it adds all these mechanics and ask you to master them, and then punishes being in high positions by making sandbagging so powerful and facing first place with certain things that have no counterplay. Jawz are so spastic you often can't block them, shrink beams often cover the entire track, and the SPB punishes you even when you're not getting hit by it. The person who is essentially griefing the lobby gets first and you get somewhere in the back-half. Its even like this at high-level play. So if you wanna play casually you get slapped with a donowall of a tutorial and a ton of incredibly frustrating mechanics like tumble and hitlag. If you wanna play competitively you get fucked over by someone driving backwards, getting a shrink, going 10000 FU/T to pass you on lap 3, and then for good measure a jawz spikes you backwards at the end anyway. The overcomplicated driving also adds too much variance in how people drive, and the speed narrows interaction windows far too much. My favorite part of kart is tailing someone for a while, predicting their movement, and sniping them to pass them. That interaction does not exist in DRRR, at least not intentionally. Everyone's lines are so whacky that its nigh impossible to actually read what they'll do, and you have a tiny window to make your play in the first place. To make matters worse you have to dump your item to use rings, and since you always want to use rings, you never have an item for more than a second or two. If you hold, the person ahead of you pulls farther ahead, and you lose your window. Switching between the two games, I get more interesting item play in 1 or 2 races of kart than I do in 6 hours of DRRR. This game is so ungodly frustrating to me because it really feels like it lost the plot. The worst part is a lot of these complaints and more I still share to this day, were brought up during DRRR's development and then discarded because we didn't have the game. Now that we have the game, the developers are apathetic to fixing all but the most glaring issues, they don't even agree a lot of them exist. Certain members of the core community are also so overwhelmingly loyal to the developers that they'll harass people for even discussing these problems. It's always been like that, but its only gotten worse upon DRRR's release. The developers are surrounded by yes-men, and they even have them within their own cliques. That just makes it all the more frustrating. This game would be so much better had the devs just handled criticism a bit more honestly. This game is what happens when nobody is able to tell the "ideas guy" no.

@OlmiOP

Ай бұрын

I def understand where you're coming from But idk, to me none of these issues have felt nearly as bad as you're making them out to be? Not to say they aren't there of course but to me it's not felt as bad Harassment for disagreement though is not okay

short answer: no. it's peak.

honestly a lot of complaints I've heard about this game sound like thinly-veiled... well, skill issues. But, then again, I'm an F-zero fan. I'm used to playing Hard Car Games™ that have difficult-to-learn controls.

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

Considering how much easier SRB2K is to get into, having a harder game isn't what a lot of people expected. It might be a "skill issue" but that's just as valid as most other complaints

Good video but I feel like you ramble on too long

@OlmiOP

2 ай бұрын

I did say at the beginning that this is a ramble-style video. It's just how I am as a person