Electric motors are good for starting diesel engines.

@Duzzer_One

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir they are

@fredflintstone8048

3 жыл бұрын

I love my TDI

@angelozararis8096

3 жыл бұрын

Diesel is not going out. How will you move container ships. Trains construction.

Is Diesel Dead? No. He'll be starring in another Fast/furious movie soon.

@time1800

3 жыл бұрын

We can only hope for a fatal crash scene!

Well said. Diesel professor here and the diesel will be around at least for the rest of our lifetimes. It's absolutely everywhere.

@guille7231

Жыл бұрын

Well Biden has it figured out for electric new buses ,trains,ships that'll cost a few trillion more

1:08 don't forget diesel in the agriculture industry.

@domesticterrorist483

3 жыл бұрын

EVs are a joke in Ireland given that oil and coal are the main fuel used to generate electricity. The country needs a nuclear plant or two to make it energy safe.

@hughjaskoch5456

3 жыл бұрын

@@domesticterrorist483 It's still more efficient pollution wise, to power passenger vehicles using large power plants (Coal, Oil, etc) than to have a bunch of individual oil burning vehicles.

@Xyquest

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartskinner2387 Breathing tailpipe emissions constantly in big cities causes lung disease and kills people.

@Xyquest

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartskinner2387 We need young immigrants to work and pay taxes to support all the old retired farts not working. Otherwise, we go bankrupt.

@__WJK__

3 жыл бұрын

@Hugh Jaskoch - Much as I thought I'd never agree EV's would be the next step in the evolution of (most) modes of transportation, it seems EV's are here to stay... not only because EV's require less oil/fluids to function (which all have messy tendencies to spill, leak, off-gas and/or burn in all the wrong places) but also because EV batteries can be recycled and turned back into new EV batteries. Current EV battery recycling technology (as of 2020/21) can recover 80% of an end-of-life EV battery, which can then be reused in the manufacture of new EV batteries... this advantage of course is simply not possible with combustible fuels.

Vehicles still continue to be made of plastic (oil subproduct) and this has a huge impact in the environment. Also, manufacturers want you to buy a car as frequent as possible, so sustainability is not possible under this model of business. There should be cars with enhanced durability and recycling should be mandatory.

@wotnoturbo

3 жыл бұрын

None of this is about the environment its about selling new cars more frequently, planned obsolescence, i agree scrapping say 10 yr old cars is way worse for the environment, EV's will be a disaster

I work in telecommuncations. We have diesel generators everywhere to back up power to cell towers, internet, and 911 service. They aren't going anywhere for a long time.

Good diesel will never die. It's the backbone of getting shit done. No ifs and or buts about it.

There is a Documentry called, The Dirty side of Clean Energy, worth watching to ballence the information .

Hi! I own a 2003 BMW 530d, e39 yes, inline 6 cylinder diesel engine, and I love it!

@henryostman5740

3 жыл бұрын

the inline 6 is the best, that's why rolls royce used it, had one in my bimmer, great engine gas or diesel.

I think the car companies have forgotten to talk to the power companies to see if the grid can handle a few million cars plugging in to charge up every day.

@thomasheer825

3 жыл бұрын

Another thing is the materials required to build a battery are in very short supply and often there would not be enough of that material on the planet to produce them in required volumes.

@randylenart9674

3 жыл бұрын

And refining it is a very big polluter

@fredflintstone8048

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you made this point. Texas and some other states are showing the strain on the electrical grids without the EVs already, especially now that renewables are becoming the big thing in many states and the reality is that solar and wind power can't cut it. What's going to have to happen and we're seeing hints of this is that public perception of Nuclear power is going to have to change. It's the best solution to increasing power demands and a lot safer than people have been led to believe. Eric brought out a good point as well, the means of power production to feed your EV is a factor in the emissions equation. The general stats is that once considering how power is made whether it be a coal, oil, or even natural gas powered plant, the emissions of EVs are approximately 1/2 that of ICE powered vehicles.

@thomasheer825

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredflintstone8048 I would love to see how you come up with that magic 1/2 the pollution of a gasoline or diesel powered automobile with electric. Sorry worked in engineering for many years and can actually understand technical manuals. Sorry a Steam power plant is just about 35% efficient, at best. That is heat energy converted over to electrical power. That is easy to calculate, as you can convert energy in, coal, oil, natural gas, fairy dust, unicorn tears or whatever you are using to power the unit. then you measure the wattage coming out the lines. Yep about 65% of your energy goes out the stack, friction losses, etc.... Now a small diesel is about 32% efficient presently on a average, and a gas engine is getting around 27% efficiency presently if you trust published engineering data. So sorry the line losses, power lost due to wire resistance (heat), transformer power loss and such you end up with about the same or even a little under that of a internal combustion engine overall. I learned to ignore the Climate Eco Warrior people, as often they have Doctorates or Masters in the ARTS and not engineering, yep they are history majors and such and have absolutely NO engineering backgrounds. Oh yes Fred a real efficient method would be to employ those massive Marine Diesels, over 15,000 horsepower types and some are up to 100,000 horses, as they can approach 50% efficiency and can run basically for over a decade without much concern. You could install them in pairs if it concerns you, one always on repair then standby. But those damn Climate Eco Warriors fight using them every step of the way as they want renewable energy sources. Sorry Texas is a good example of just how problematic these sources are at present, and if you do the math there isn't enough material on the planet to build what would be required for the battery bank backup to support the grid requirements much less the millions of electric vehicles. Simply right now there is NO valid alternative to oil, coal and such.

@fredflintstone8048

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasheer825 All good points. I pulled that thumbnail estimate off a few sites that did the math, I did not break it all down myself although I could. Personally I'm not interested enough to break down all the detail although I do understand it, and I spent part of my career in boiler control and efficiencies. I agree though there are many aspects to the comparisons between what goes into making the energy in a power plant and yes, we can also get into all the losses and efficiencies of the system. The sites were I looked up the information were mainly focused on Co2 footprint of ICE vehicles as opposed to EVs which of course gets into the Co2 emissions of the electricity producing plant. But yes, there are a lot of steps. Efficiency of burning the fuels in the boilers, the higher heating value of the fuel being used, losses in the steam lines feeding the turbines, mechanical loses between the turbine and the generator, losses in the generators and power distribution systems etc. On top of that no two plants are exactly the same, or even the same plant on different days and under different loads.. The higher the level of steam production for example the more efficient it is at that moment due to the ratio of losses to the amount of production. I could go on and on. Anyway, I've seen the number I've provided passes around for what it's worth which may not be much.. But it's just for a talking point imo.

This is not the first time the French threw up their hands and gave up.

@joelmartin2826

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂🤟😎

With particulate traps and DEF, diesel engines are no longer cost effective for light and medium duty vehicles, IF there is a gasoline alternative that can do the job.

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

Thus Ford making new 7.3L push rod, port injected cam-in-block simple gasoline v8

@hughjaskoch5456

3 жыл бұрын

@@workingcountry1776 And GM's new 6.6 (L8T) for use in HD trucks much like the 7.3 from Ford. And GMs has direct injection.

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@hughjaskoch5456 I am not familiar with that particular engine but I know GM never left the pushrod v8 and that the so-called LS series v8 engines are reliable, don't leak, and stock 2wd 4.8l trucks are ez on fuel

I desperately miss my 2010 VW Jetta TDI. Such a great car

@slscamg

3 жыл бұрын

I had a 2013 Golf TDI. Sometimes I miss it and sometimes I really enjoy how quickly a gasoline powered car warms up in the winter LOL

@skystryker2300

3 жыл бұрын

I had a 2014 Sportwagon TDI manual. Kinda regret turning it in for the buyback as I loved the driving of it, but they offered me too much money.

@williamglasgow6864

3 жыл бұрын

@@skystryker2300 same. I had a stick too. Such a fun torquey car to drive. They bought it back with 80k for $15k. That was far more than it was worth. Still I miss it

@WrecklessEnterainment

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2003 Jetta tdi. I love the car in the summer time. Winter is terrible. Never wants to stay warm and takes forever to get up to temp. The newer vw diesels are much more refined but I think this will be my last diesel daily driver. Just too cold in the winter for it in Ohio.

@gladiatorbmx

3 жыл бұрын

@@WrecklessEnterainment thermostat need replacing?

An electric semi breaking down on road, cause of faulty battery hauling load full of batteries would be ultimate irony...

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@mikemartin2423

3 жыл бұрын

And you can guarantee it's gonna happen some day lol

@zigzag7194

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh man when that day comes which it will.... That's got to be NEWS HEADLINE 😂😂😂😂 AROUND THE WORLD 👍🏿🇬🇧

@ushillbillies

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

Also here: ELVIS the pelvis, - great! This clock is present since you began youtubing regularly. I love it!

My issue with EVs is that I'll eventually run into the mandatory downtime called charging the battery.

@Doctor_X

3 жыл бұрын

do you drive 24hrs a day? plug it in when you get home. How hard is that?

@artos6209

3 жыл бұрын

What about people who live in apartments? Not everyone has somewhere to plug in overnight. I work 12 hour shifts at my job. On the days I work I dont have an hour to charge a car. Won't be getting an electric car till there is a drastic improvement in charging time

@Doctor_X

3 жыл бұрын

@@artos6209 then u are not a good candidate for ev. Not complicated. There is a company that it down to 5 mins charging for 100 miles. It coming. Just a car with good gas mileage. And not a big suv or truck.

@artos6209

3 жыл бұрын

It will be at least 10 years until rapid charge batteries and the infrastructure to support them make it my area. So for the immediate future I'll stick with my gas car. Or maybe a hybrid, I always buy used instead of new. Probably more used hybrids than battery electric vehicles on the used market

@Doctor_X

3 жыл бұрын

@@artos6209 you can pick up a used nissan leaf with realy low miles for under 10k. I actually thought about that. I actually liked the volt...was going to buy one, but they stopped making them.

The plant is owned by Stellantis. This was formed from Fiat Chrysler, and Groupe PSA coming together ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis ) Anything this group does is bound to have problems.

Interesting things to think about!!! Good video. diesel is still used a lot in electric generators big and small

I run a truck and bus repair shop, and I have said since around 2005, that diesel powerplants in light duty and even some medium duty and specialized applications were going to be sunsetted rather abruptly by both owners/operators and manufacturers in the upcoming years. The EPA07/Euro4 standards that were being discussed in '05, only helped to put more nails in its coffin. Today, I actively try to dissuade customers in our industry from selecting a diesel powered vehicle unless they really have a specific use-case where diesels operate very well. That is, long distance highway operation or exceedingly high load operation where low rpm torque is required. Am I anti-diesel, no, in fact I love diesels, I own 3 of varying sizes! But today, one really must factor a lot more into a purchase decision on these classes of vehicles in order to maximize the benefit of one's expenditure whether it's a vehicle for pleasure or work and not fall into a trap that may end up costing more in the long run. I am fully aware that diesel will, for the foreseeable future, barring some absolutely massive leaps in electrical energy storage technology, continue to be the energy source of choice for many applications, whether it be long haul trucking, rural equipment operations, standby power generation, or marine applications. I have one other idea in regards to long haul vehicles which may pan out or may be a fever-dream, that sees a standardized battery pack size/shape that can be quickly and easily swapped, and ownership in a similar fashion to compressed gas bottles. Where you generally purchase the rights to have a gas bottle from a universally filled/maintained gas bottle pool and the cost of the maintenance is rolled into the "fill" cost. Such could batteries for heavy duty vehicles be. You'd purchase the rights to have a battery. If you have a battery, you can get a battery for the "charge" cost. Which would roll into it the cost of charging, testing, swapping out failing batteries/cells, etc., with similar limits to a gas bottle (no obvious physical damage to the bottle/battery itself). But, that's a topic of conversation perhaps for another place. First, I'd like to just make the point that I'm referring to diesel powerplants as a complete package. Engine and aftertreatment. Since the systems are required by law and are required for the engine to operate, it is disingenuous to separate them. Here are the observations that have lead me to my conclusions on diesel powerplants and IC engines in general: Diesel vehicles used to enjoy several benefits over their gasoline counterparts which have diminished, if not been completely reversed in many cases. Diesels used to last longer between rebuilds, need minimal simple maintenance to operate satisfactorily, have far lower fuel prices and have far better torque for larger vehicles than any gasoline engine. Newer naturally aspirated and forced induction gasoline engines match and even surpass the horsepower and torque numbers on several on-market diesels in similar segments, and with the horsepower race on the light duty diesel side, maintenance requirements have gotten more stringent, engines are running closer to their limits and failures have become more common. Diesel fuel prices are consistently hovering (in the US) at 4-7% above regular gasoline prices and that doesn't even take into account DEF costs as a consumable. Modern gasoline engines are now lasting longer than ever with 200k+ mile commercially operated vehicles becoming a common sight in my shop with no major issues. Diesels on the other hand, particularly those in commercial service have become beset with issues ranging from head gasket leaks to turbocharger failures to leaky/clogged EGR coolers and valves, aftertreatment issues and other high dollar, high downtime failures. The biggest issue though is repair costs; particularly in cases where something like a failed turbocharger contaminates the DOC/DPF/SCR beyond the ability for it to be cleaned by any means, replacing the aftertreatment components can add upwards of $5000 on some vehicles to an already expensive job and make a poor customer's head spin. Couple this with the fact that you can purchase an OEM reman semi-dressed gasoline engine for half the price of an aftermarket reman diesel long block, or just the aftertreatment system alone and this cost for mileage disparity becomes even more apparent and aggravating. These sorts of one-shot hits hurt a small commercial operator or car owner far more than whatever the difference in fuel cost per mile ends up being between gas/diesel vehicles. The local Isuzu dealer can't keep NPR N series (gasoline) trucks on the lot because people are getting sick of dealing with DPF system lockouts causing high tow and repair bills on the diesels. Even basic interval maintenance is more expensive with many new diesels requiring full synthetic oils in larger quantities along with more expensive crankcase oil and fuel filters. The aftertreatment systems introduced another issue, which is that even with the greatly improved engine control strategies that have evolved since EPA07/Euro4 came out, the operational envelope for diesels has been decreased. High idle time, stop and go intra-city driving, short cycles, cold weather operation and low-load operation have become anathema to the modern aftertreatment equipped diesel. The rolling realtime chemistry set that is attached to the tailpipe simply does not operate optimally under these conditions and consequently leads to increased regenerations, increased DEF usage, higher ash loads (which require removal of the DPF to clean) and higher incidence of oil contamination due to blowby. All of these things shorten the life of the aftertreatment system. From a shop maintenance standpoint diesels also have faltered heavily. Training requirements for techs are higher and more technical for diesels, consequently there are fewer diesel techs, and light duty diesel techs are generally completely lost in the MD world. This serves to drive customer costs and downtime up. A walk into any dealer service department to see how many techs are diesel certified in their own brand, immediately paints the picture. Diesels also require a higher number of and more expensive OEM diagnostic and repair tools, and generally they don't transfer from brand to brand. A gasoline engine shop can generally get by with a far narrower OEM tool set. From a manufacturer standpoint, EPA07+ light duty diesels have been nothing but a nightmare. The increased cost of aftertreatment and the high base cost of diesel engines themselves have lead to manufacturers shrinking their profit margins on diesel powered variants of their vehicles even when they apply a surcharge for choosing a diesel powerplant. Further, manufacturers simply can not get discounts on aftertreatment systems because their price is driven by the precious metals market. Even the largest manufacturers aren't getting a discount on platinum and palladium. All of this makes life very difficult as a manufacturer, particularly on smaller cars where a segment-driven MSRP will not abide an outlier. Finally, the electric angle. Electric is coming. It will be a boon for manufacturers and consumers alike in many segments along with being good for the environment. Manufacturers will love reduced parts count, reduced manufacturing complexity, more solid state devices, less casting, more easily automated assembly, virtually non-existent interval maintenance, easier design around the powerplant, and easier cross-model parts interchangeability. Customers will enjoy the fact that their cost per mile will decrease in many use cases, and vehicles will generally have less downtime for repairs due to vastly decreased maintenance requirements. Some may say that right now so much power is still coming from fossil fuels that electric is still "dirty". I will put this forth though. Controlling emissions on a powerplant where the exhaust treatment systems are monitored and maintained continuously and where the plant operates in optimal, near steady-state conditions is far easier and more effective than individual IC engines all over the place. And as we transition to more and more renewables, the infrastructure for distribution will already be ramped up. On the battery side, yes, improvements in regards to mining rare earths for batteries is critical. But it's not insurmountable. Robust recycling programs along with incentivizing the creation of less destructive battery chemistries and energy recovery/storage technologies using ultracapacitors can change this, but companies will keep mining as long as it's less costly than going a better way. Look forward to your thoughts.

You've opened Pandora's box, Eric! People are using the morality of electric vehicles as the driving force, while ignoring the things you mention; how is the electricity created, what is the impact of mining the materials required to build the batteries, what is done to dispose of the batteries, etc. Are we putting the cart before the horse by pushing this? Unfortunately, everything has become so politically driven that I don't believe we will get honest answers to these questions. Research (by the layman) will only expose biased information...as is the case with almost everything these days, unfortunately.

@matthewriordan-solidaxlesa5810

3 жыл бұрын

Great point! You know how people are though, As long as it’s not in their back yard they don’t care

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

100% correct

@aigoru8718

3 жыл бұрын

And don't forget right-to-repair and third party options. If you as a consumer get stuck with a product manufacturer as a sole option for repairs, then you are royally screwed. No choice but to do as they say.

@Xyquest

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong, no one is ignoring the impact of EVs on the environment. There are tons of studies and info everywhere. Bottom line - EVs are better for the environment even when powered by electricity from fossil fuels. Coal is dying a slow death being replaced by natural gas and wind mostly.

@aigoru8718

3 жыл бұрын

@@Xyquest wind power, accounting to a staggering 5% of the total worldwide generation is going to solve anything? Come on, get real. The heavy hauling is still done by burning HCs, there's no denying.

No more choking on diesel fumes at stop lights 😊

@ruinunes8251

3 жыл бұрын

Right on the money. Glad I'm not the only one on this one. I can't stand diesel cars.

@darinp5612

3 жыл бұрын

Don't follow too close then.

@ruinunes8251

3 жыл бұрын

@@darinp5612 I don’t, believe me.

@TheCheesenChips

3 жыл бұрын

DPF

@ruinunes8251

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCheesenChips 😂😂

To put in a perspective how expensive can a fuel get, imagine that in the East of Europe where I live in, according to some estimations, fuel is up to 15x more expensive than it is in the US

@madddog1997

3 жыл бұрын

Slovakia 1.25€ for liter of 95 octane gas with 10% ethanol. Diesel costs around the same price 5 to 8 cents less. In prospective for US what I can find from 25/01/2021 it's 0.631 per liter of gas and 0.717 per liter of diesel so yes. Diesel for long range is cheaper but also the repair sometimes cost more. Also with the thing that like in Germany many cars that have high air polution Euro 3 - 4 cannot access cities. So some are already trying electric cars or converting to gas

@Amund7

3 жыл бұрын

@@madddog1997 17 NOK = 1.64€ in Norway today, for 95 octane.

@Mr_Clean

3 жыл бұрын

@@madddog1997 95 octane???? Here most places only have 87 and 89. Sometimes you can find 91. At least y'all get the good stuff.

@jblyon2

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_Clean Europe has a different rating method. 95 in Europe is equivalent to 87 in the US. Their 98 is our 91.

@bloodcarver913

3 жыл бұрын

@@jblyon2 You are wrong. The rating is the same but the US will not make higher octane due to the higher costs with longer refining. US petrol sucks in quality.

Hello ETCG1. Been watching your channel for a just a few weeks now. Just wanted to chime in here as an owner of a diesel car here in Europe (Spain, to be exact). I currently drive a 2017 Volvo XC90 AWD, equipped with what's known here as the D5 engine option. It's a 285HP twin-turbo beast diesel engine that gets me about 30-32mpg cruising the autopistas (freeways in your parlance) at 140 km/hr. My point is that Europeans love their diesels for the fuel economy and (in certain powerplant offerings) power. Not to mention just s**tloads of torque (known as PAR here). I love this car because it's big and powerful but is still able to sip the very expensive fuel here. However I hate how much it costs to maintain this mechanical nightmare, and will be putting it to pasture within the next 18 months. Without a doubt will be my last ICE passenger car.

Here in Italy, from 2019, if you have a diesel passenger car, you can't go in the cities center (aside if you had paid a fee for it, if you live there for example); the access to city center can vary, it is based on the 'EURO' (a pollution category) that the car belongs

@robertomalatesta6604

3 жыл бұрын

ZTL's (Limited Traffic Zones) where created by the local politiciam, to levy some (a lot actually) money off motorists, on the premise of reducing traffic congestion; eventually them were rebranded as anti-pollution measures and when ohmic vehicles will be around in their numbers, they will change the Bill, back to anti-congestion. >Have a guess on who has the club and who is the bash-head?

Was literally waiting for someone to have this discussion. Because I’m interested in becoming a diesel tech. But was unsure it would end up useless. Since electric is being pushed

@dieselchevette

3 жыл бұрын

Go for it! We're gonna have diesels around for a long ass time, even if/when electric trucks come out You're going to want to become a damn good electronics diagnostician to have a good career in it. Most of the engine issues now are all the aftertreatment tacked on acting goofy. The good old all mechanical ones are bread/butter and easy to fix. The newer stuff requires a different mindset, just like newer cars.

@samwagner31

3 жыл бұрын

Im a diesel mechanic at an underground mine, we've tried electric and they don't last and then when the batteries die it's nearly as expensive to buy new batteries as it is to buy a whole new mucker. We run nothing but diesel machines running on 70% biofuel.

@CanStripey

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll chime in here too. I am also a diesel mechanic in an underground nickel mine. Diesel mechanics are needed everywhere and you’ll always have work. They’re starting to train us on battery electric vehicles (BEV). Battery technology is great, but there is still a huge learning curve to overcome. Safety is a huge thing in mining. There was one that burnt to the ground earlier this past summer. Guess what? All BEV’s got shutdown for the time being while they investigate safer protocols. Diesels are still chugging along..

@robertbell525

3 жыл бұрын

True, the MEDIA pushes electric. Listening to those loudmouth fools, you'd think 98% of new cars are EV. But it's really 2%. Plus as others have mentioned, there are millions of existing ICE vehicles that will be around for ages and need parts, repairs and maintenance

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly if you're considering a career in the repair field, I recommend diesel. I think the commercial diesel market will be around a very long time and the pay is better than working on passenger vehicles at the dealership. No matter what you decide, I wish you the best. Thanks for the comment.

I have been driving Teslas since 2016 with no major mechanical issues. The battery & motors on Teslas will (and have) latest well over +300k miles with no major maintenance required. Yes, the overall body panel & interior build quality on my first Tesla was not stellar but that has improved significantly with my latest Model Y, which is now closer to GM & Ford mid-range vehicle standards. But definitely not German car build quality yet. Being a former muscle car nut and avid automotive DIY'er who has wrenched on many ICE project cars I can safely say I will never go back to owning a gas car for daily use again. Freedom from oil changes, tune ups, water pump/starter/timing belt replacements and everything else really makes you appreciate an EV for it's real value. Also, batteries can be infinitely recyclable once the battery manufacturers (e.g. Panasonic. LG...) ramp up their return streams. Tesla is in contract with several to do just that, as well as to reduce the amount of cobalt used to below 1%. Lithium can be mined via evaporation pools without strip mining and once supplies & recycling reach a critical mass mining efforts will reduce significantly.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that input.

More great content, thanks Scotty.

@spacecat7247

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@davidd8435

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry,commented on the wrong channel.

Eric, one additional comment regarding battery life/afterlife. Batteries are proving robust (at least Tesla’s) with 8+ years when properly cared for/maintained. Afterlife is already being addressed. JB Straubel, former Tesla CTO has branched out and started Redwood Materials. He has stated they will be able to recycle nearly all, if not all, material from end of life Lithium Ion battery packs.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Still doesn't change how you get the battery materials out of the ground, or how you make the electricity to charge them. A step in the right direction though. Thanks for the comment.

@jeffcampbell2518

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETCG1 I know you’re a busy guy (don’t even know if you’ll see this) but if you can watch “Tesla Battery Day” event, they address cradle to grave battery manufacturing. Granted there is no perfect solution and their proposals will not reach world wide but it does deal with these issues. Realize I’m not an ICE hater. I’ve built a Shelby Cobra kit with a big block and currently have two ICE vehicles. I’m simply agreeing with you that BEV’s aren’t going anywhere and their proliferation inevitable. Once the Tesla Model S Plaid is produced and the Tesla Roadster, their superior performance will be undeniable if you’re not convinced already. Love and appreciate your videos, dedication and hard work.

@jeffcampbell2518

3 жыл бұрын

@ETCG1 As for charging sources....folks currently coal power plants have declined. Online stats show we are roughly 20% Nuclear; about 14% Hydro/Renewable; 34% Natural Gas and the rest Coal. Not perfect but even a controlled, regulated natural gas plant has got to be more efficient then millions of individual ICE engines with varying degrees of efficiency (i.e. some well maintained and some not running efficiently due to poor maintenance practices or neglect). Food for thought.

Strictly from driving experience of passenger cars equipped with Diesel vs gas vs electric, electric is SO much nicer for daily driver that it is hard to go back to others. I've ended up getting a phev for that reason as I can get 80 percent there without suffering long refuling times on long trips.i don't see phev is a future but an interesting stop gap while development is happening.

One more year that we can't coordinate properly. My birthday was 3 days ago...

@matteogiancola9913

3 жыл бұрын

^Can relate, I was on the 22nd. Just gotta wait a few more years!

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday!

@guitarremedy469

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETCG1 thank you! Now I feel complete! 😃

@ashqelon7267

3 жыл бұрын

I hate that when it happens, so would you still bring it in to him to do an oil change?

@matteogiancola9913

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETCG1 Thx man, just made my Day!

Ha! Thats wild. Ive been doing a college research essay on this topic for the past week! Thank you putting this video. What I'm looking forward to is seeing the Tesla semi in action once it releases to customers. So far there isn't any articles or research released on their towing capabilities other than what Tesla has released.

Eric - really appreciate your KZread Channels. Informative and straight forward. Always learn something. Given your Honda experience, what's your opinion / experience with VCM? I have a 2019 with it and am seriously considering a vcm eliminator to avoid issues that this system has had over time. Have heard a lot of positives about doing so and would welcome your opinion.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Lot's of people talk about it, but I've never had an issue with my '12 Odyssey. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The diesel engine will be around long after those who claim it is the end come to their own end.

@DENicholsAutoBravado

3 жыл бұрын

Some of the longest lasting engines out there, yeah? There's something to be said about the pollution it takes to make a new car versus keeping an old one running.

I have a 1984 GMC C30 Diesel. I plan on driving that long after everyone has switched to something else in the coming decades

@jb944

3 жыл бұрын

Back when they were good and not full of emission control junk...

@computiNATEor

3 жыл бұрын

French fry oil isn’t going away ☺️

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@jb944 naw the 6.2 was unreliable and not very powerful even by 80s standards.

@kman-mi7su

3 жыл бұрын

1988 Ford F250 7.3 IDI here. It'll run on fryer oil, transmission fluid, and other stuff but I run diesel (I do add some transmission fluid to the diesel about twice a year to clean the injectors and pump) and have the same plan as you.

@hughjaskoch5456

3 жыл бұрын

@@workingcountry1776 Yeah the 6.2 was junk. And 80s GM diesels are in large part what killed diesels for the normal passenger car market here in the USA. Remember the Oldsmobile 350 diesel? Absolute fucking junk.

Own a 2019 Chevy Cruze diesel hatchback. I drive anyway from 480-1200 miles a week all highway. Talk about a saver, the 1200 mile weeks is only 2 tanks of diesel so roughly $50 cost. It’s incredible

It was my birthday yesterday. The digital cake was awesome!

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday! Glad you liked the cake.

Diesel will still be around for a long time, particularly in remote area travelling. Here in Australia, if you’re going really far out bush, it is highly recommend to use a diesel, because if you run out of fuel, chances are someone with some diesel powered machinery will be able to give you some to get you to the next town. Diesel is also an interesting topic in the transport industry, particularly rail transport. There used to be quite an extensive fleet of electric locomotives running in NSW hauling both passenger and freight trains, however since the privatisation of the freight rail business, and the costs associated with third party access to the overhead wiring to power the electric locomotives, quite a large number were withdrawn, scrapped and replaced with diesel locomotion, because it was more “cost effective”. Some of these locomotives only saw 14 years in service. (See NSW 86 class locomotives on Wikipedia)

@ruinunes8251

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I think we are long time away from seeing a road train powered by batteries. Unless we see super chargers powered by the sun in the bush. Or the road trains covered in solar panels all around to charge the batteries, LOL

@stephenwilliamson4556

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruinunes8251 Exactly, and with the amount of grunt required to get a Road train from a standstill to 100kph loaded, on a hill, it’d have to be a hell of a battery to be able to cope with those sorts of load forces, and still be able to deliver decent range. I personally think some sort of Carbon offset scheme (such as protection of forests, tree planting and land protection schemes) would be a better fit for the transport industry as a whole, because Diesel engines are just so robust, reliable and versatile, and electric trucks just simply are not a viable option at the present time.

@ruinunes8251

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenwilliamson4556 At present I think one of the trailers in a road train would be only to carry the battery pack😂. To add on that, to have the most efficiency, I assume, you can’t use the radio, can’t use air conditioning, can’t use lights at night, wipers, power windows, a toaster, a kettle, did I forget anything? 😂😂

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Thank you for that insight.

The british have a word to define these cars that use disel. DERV or Diesel Engine Road Vehicle.

I got my CDL a few months ago, I got a local job driving a tractor trailer, hauling construction equipment... hearing about stuff like this makes me question my decision for getting into the transportation industry and if retirement will be a thing.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't worry. Commercial diesel will be around for a long time to come.

I drive a Nissan Leaf. It's been flawless. No issues so far 7 years and 60,000 miles. Down 1 battery capacity bar out of 12 and range has only dropped from 82 miles to around 75 miles. I'll never go back to gas. I'm eyeing the CyberTruck.

Man I thought about the same thing with my 04 Element

As a european, I strongly doubt it's going anywhere in the near future. As long as VAG, MB and BMW all keep making them, there will be plenty of them around

@ggj1987

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see it but politicians are more than happy to impose new laws to ban fuel powered cars in the next few years. There are already countries who did it like Norway. I believe that by 2030 they will ban the sales of new fuel powered cars

@Hosz688

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not worried. Those bans are to score political points. They are banning the sale of new ICE cars. You will still be able buy used ICE vehicles. If CA's ban goes into effect, a lot of "used" car dealerships are going to pop up on the CA Nevada border selling "used" Fords with 5 or 6 miles on them. If govt ever tries to ban ICE vehicles outright, all I can say is you have around 230 million ICE vehicles in the US and you will make those vehicles worthless overnight. So how are families going to get the money to replace a now worthless vehicle that was probably one of their most expensive possessions? Then how are you going to dispose of all the ICE vehicles? Where is the power going to come from to power 230 million EVs? I can go on and on why going 100% EV is a pipe dream.

I'm more of a spark plug kinda guy. I sold my 93 F350 to DebossGarage and the first thing he said he was going to do to it is, remove the low miles 460 in it and replace it with a CAT diesel. Takes all kinds.

Just bought a 2013 diesel vehicle for towing, so far I'm liking it and the super long range

I used to be a mechanic. Now I design electric drives to replace diesel engines in transit buses in California. Hit me up if you want more info.

If they're not doing series hybrids it won't be dead for long. Bad idea to get rid of them.

I'm from Europe and Eric is right. Gas prices, efficiency but also the need of a nimble car to get you going in winding, narrow, busy roads and stop and go traffic, where the torque of diesel engines helps you, made diesel engines so popular here. Diesel engines are so refined now here that gas engines were not appealing anymore. But beacause of tighter emission standards for automobiles that the manufacturers couldn't keep up to, they started to fake the tests. Now hybrid (small gas engines - usually 3 cylinder+electric) cars are starting to take over. They use both engines to get to the torque and fuel consumption of diesel engines. Also they work only on electric in stop and go traffic that takes away the strain from combustion engines.

I have an F-250 with the 6.7l diesel. Great power. The problem is complexity and emissions controls. 2 radiators. 3 thermostats. 2 water pumps. 2 batteries. 2 fuel filters. DEF system with tank and heater and SCR. Driving to clean DPF. And these trucks aren’t cheap either. Electric 3/4 ton trucks might still be in the distant future, but they look good from here.

Time to go back to the horse drawn carriage and deal with tons of manure all over the roads Lol

@jaydee3046

3 жыл бұрын

Years ago, I ran across a book about the history of the motorcar in America. In the book it was stated the auto was seen by some as a way to eliminate horse drawn traffic in cities. The car would reduce "pollution" of poop.

@YamFZR93

3 жыл бұрын

How ironic that Tesla cars run on pure horse shit.

@machintelligence

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaydee3046 "The car would reduce "pollution" of poop." It did a damned fine job of it too. It eliminated a lot of street sweepers' jobs, though, along with killing off buggy whip manufacturers.

@artmallory970

3 жыл бұрын

Seems there's already loads of human 'manure' in the streets of LA & NY, no-one will notice a bit more horse manure...

@__WJK__

3 жыл бұрын

lol - Tons of manure all over the roads would no doubt be the least of the problem. Can't even begin to imagine the insane logistics nightmare that would ensue if 100+ million people all stopped using modern transportation and reverted back to using/riding horses =0

I usually drive close to home. Maybe 20 miles a week. Would love an electric vehicle. But too pricey yet.

@CRAPO2011

3 жыл бұрын

Theres plenty of cheap used electric vehicles. Fiat 500 electrics go for a stick of gum , ford focus electric are also affordable

@pashko90

3 жыл бұрын

Bought a Leaf with degradeted traction battery for 2000$. Does not look too expensive to me. And a pack from a new leaf for 4000, now its giving me 150-180 miles per charge.

@CRAPO2011

3 жыл бұрын

@@pashko90 Do they make any aftermarket cooling system for those leaf batteries?6k sounds like a deal

@pashko90

3 жыл бұрын

@@CRAPO2011 nobody offer colling systems for 40(30) or 62 kWh packs so far.

This is a touchy subject and you are correct what are we going to do with the batteries and source of making that power as in Tesla's case no one is allowed to work on those vehicles or voids warranty

Great video

I would love to have an electric car but knowing what it takes to make one, the mining being just part of the total equation, I think it's hypocritical to at this point. And I hate hypocrisy.

@__WJK__

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, even solar has some blood on its hands, so-to-speak... as clean as solar sounds, the solar panel manufacturing process has its own inherent pollution/waste issues. The key of course is... to not only go with a technology that is highly dependable but to also go with the one that produces the least amount of pollution on both the front and back end (aka: the user & manufacturing end). That said, solar (compared to the rest) is "about" as clean as it gets. Soon as electric vehicle manufacturers solve the sub 300mi distance issues, lower charging times AND reduce the INSANE cost of replacement batteries... electric vehicles/electric vehicle sales will be off to the races!

@sigor2011

3 жыл бұрын

It is not that hypocritical, we rage wars and kill people when cant get cheap enough gas and pollute oceans. So mining metals is not "green' as well, big whoops. It is nice to see that electric car manufacturers are listening and are developing better tech that relies less on lithium while gas manufacturers tey to find a way to kill more to get cheater gas. Our lives are not green but I still like driving electric cars as they perform better in daily city life over gas.

@rimmersbryggeri

3 жыл бұрын

That's the problem. As long as they are battery powered and Hydrogen is hard to make on mass in a sustainable way. Batteries are just a stopgap energy carrier.

@__WJK__

3 жыл бұрын

@@rimmersbryggeri - For sure. Technically though (re this specific topic) all vehicle energy sources can be defined as a stopgap regardless of "what" actually powers a vehicle (even though it may not resemble an actual modern-day electric vehicle battery). Combustible liquids/gasses are still a "battery" of sorts. Really it just comes down to which "power source tech" you adore or are a fan of/excited by at any given moment in time. Don't get me wrong, Hydrogen definitely makes sense and also has a "coolness" factor for all sorts of reasons but it's still a "type" of battery, albeit just a battery/fuel source in another form. Who's to say 50-100yrs from now, someone won't be typing in the YT comment sections and saying... "Hydrogens just a stop-gap to anti-gravity levitation engines/vehicles" or "Anti-gravity engines/vehicles are just a stop-gap to teletransportation/aka: StarTrek teleporters." ;)

@rimmersbryggeri

3 жыл бұрын

@@__WJK__ Yeah it's even an electrochmical battery just not filled up with electricity.

I don't think it will die soon in Germany, especially with the lack of puplic charging points for going full electric. Not everyone has the option to charge at home. Our government is pushing hybrids with tax benefits and it works, but I've seen more then one off-lease car that have a unused charging port and brand new sealed charging cable in the trunk. So more or less useless. Audi, BMW and Mercedes still develop new diesel engines to achieve the new EU limits.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that insight. It's good to know what's happening in Germany since you seem to make a lot of the vehicles in the European market.

I owned a diesel F250. As far as being more economical, I'm not convinced that's true. Compared to the gas engine F250s, the initial purchase price was higher, ALL of the maintenance costs were higher, there are fewer diesel mechanics (so harder to find a good one to work on it), and fewer gas stations offer diesel fuel (so I'd often have to go somewhat out of my way to fill up). Over the 8 years I had it, I'm not sure I saved any money at all because of lower fuel costs. I manage a light duty fleet as well and when it came time to start phasing out our older vehicles and replacing them with new ones, I crunched the numbers between gas and diesel and I literally could not find ANY reason to purchase any new diesel vehicles for the fleet. Just sold our last one off about a year ago and have no plans to buy any more diesels in the near future.

I still drive a 1969 Land Rover 109, it has a 2.25 litre Diesel of 61hp / 104ft lbs. It is mechanical injection and does not need a battery to run, it runs on any type of fuel oil, I have been using reclaimed heating oil for years. Is it clean? Nope, but it runs, it goes anywhere as long as I maintain it. Diesel power trains are going to be around for many years.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

That's basically the direction I wanted to take when converting the Element to diesel. Thanks for the comment.

IMHP the rules on new motors have just made them difficult to keep running in smaller cars

I don't see a way to make a all electric refrigerated trailer, the amount of batteries you would need would make the trailer to heavy

@__WJK__

3 жыл бұрын

Not if the entire roof (and possibly sides) of the trailers are covered in ultra-high-efficiency solar panels and the floor/sub-floor of the trailer is jam-packed with batteries ;) Also, the refrigeration units will be ultra-high efficiency as well and will not only run off solar but will also plug into shore/grid power and also possibly switch over to an onboard propane tank for emergency redundancy...sort of similar to refrigerators/freezers units found on today's mid-range and high-end motorhomes. Your point still does factor in regarding the (current/present) limitations, in that all-electric tractor/trailers are going to have issues operating in areas/regions that don't receive a lot of consistent sunshine and/or areas that experience sub-freezing temperatures and snow. That said, the industry is working to solve those issues...(eg)...electric rigs that operate in cloudy/colder climates will likely be designed as hybrids, like what we see in today's hybrid passenger vehicles.

@MacAttack2010

3 жыл бұрын

@@__WJK__ I hope that was a joke ....

I have a 2011 Honda CRV 2.2 diesel model and i love it.! Great power and flexability and averaging 40mpg easy.. U could easily pick up a Diesel CRV engine called the 2.2 i-cdti which is in the Civic and Accord too. Plenty for sale on ebay. That would be so cool what a great project for you.. 😁😁😃 Newer Honda Diesel engine the 2.2 i-dtec is similar but fitted with a dpf in the exhaust which needs a good run from time to time.. I would love to see you fit one to your element.. A true one of a kind..! 😁😁👍👍 They also come with an auto box in the CRV.. 😁👌

my 16 years old Mazda 6 diesel with a 2L engine has low consumption (5.2L/100km). I make about 40kkm a year. Paid less than 3000€ for it 4 years ago. I don't think diesel is going to die just yet.

if a said person wanted to be a diesel mechanic, do you think its a good choice?

@spacecat7247

3 жыл бұрын

There are many places where diesel will remain dominant for a very long time. Big trucks or cars or off hiway or generators?

Diesel will still be around for the next 100 years or so. That tech is stout and highly invested into.

@90albert0

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe in a small village in the US yes. Europe has started to ditch them and renewable energy plants has taken over fossil fuel.

@wurlyone4685

3 жыл бұрын

No-one will be selling a new Diesel engine in 50 years time except for very, very niche markets. It will simply be too expensive to build because the economies of scale are there for the engine, or even for getting the fuel and the alternatives will be so much better and cheaper, by then.

New diesels i will pass on because of the complexity but you cant beat the older ones. I have a 06 golf (still a mk4) 1.9 diesel with 35 psi boost on it and a 91 cummins 5.9 with 45 psi boost on it. Diesels are awesome.

I actually work in the electric vehicle repair industry at a 3rd party shop (where we actually specialize in "Tesla powered" vehicles). I also happen to daily drive a 2015 Tesla Model S 70D which is now approaching 418k miles on the clock (previous owner used it for Uber at an average of over 80k mi/yr). Most of the cars we repair use Tesla's earliest powertrains, which have a few common issues, mainly to do with bearings an coolant seals. They learned from their mistakes however, and started to make much more durable drive units starting in late 2014 (part of the reason why my S has such high miles). The leaps forward in technology even in just the last 2-3 years are pretty incredible, especially as far as batteries are concerned, and continue to get better all the time. Lithium batteries are also highly recyclable, and often still have use in second life applications when the are deemed unfit for use in a vehicle (usually due to capacity loss). I also did want to point out (and this is a common misnomer) that lithium is NOT mined in the traditional sense that most people would think of. It is typically harvested from flooded salt flats (also known as brine pools, many of which are naturally occuring). The percentage of "mined" materials in a lithium battery is actually quite low. On the note of hydrogen, there are a myriad of reasons why it will never become mainstream (at least for passenger cars). Bear with me as this is going to be long winded... First is infrastructure, many talk about charging infrastructure not being widespread, but electricity is pretty much everywhere, so that means you can put chargers, well, pretty much everywhere. Hydrogen on the other hand requires expensive tanks, that store the hydrogen gas at tens of thousands of psi, and have a limited lifespan (that kind of pressure alone can create an enormous explosive force, let alone the extreme flammability of hydrogen). Then there's the infrastructure required to create and transport hydrogen. Second is the cost of the fuel cells, which require a large amount of expensive precious metals to produce (far more than a lithium battery takes). The third, and biggest reason is the production of the hydrogen itself. Making hydrogen (the majority of which is created from natural gas by the way) is an hugely energy intensive process. The amount of energy required to produce the hydrogen to drive a car is twice that of what it would take to just drive the car using electricity. Combined with all the other expensive processes required to produce H2, it is roughly the equivalent of paying $10/gal for gas. Even if the rest of the process could be done cheaper, thanks to the laws of physics, the amount of energy required just to produce the hydrogen will always be more than directly charging an EV, so it will always be more expensive (and as you said Eric, whatever is cheaper is generally the winner).

It may die in Europe, but never in the USA. Diesel is tried, true, and reliable (not counting the failure-prone emission garbage forced onto new ones). If they stop building new ones, then people will build their own. I'm speaking of the light to heavy truck world. The majority of passenger car people will buy what Detroit sells them. They always have. Of course, we've had a shift in the political spectrum over the past 25 years, so who's to say they won't do an end-round around people building their own, by making diesel $14 a gallon, creating prohibitively expensive registration, insurance, and inspection fees. So much for "The Land of the Free ... " I've never owned a diesel, although I've wanted a diesel truck for some time. They're just too much money, even used. I would never buy any diesel built from 2006-'07-forward - the emission mandates on them ruined the solid reliability, and adds costs that we'd have never dreamed of 20 years ago. Guess I'll stick with gasoline and superchargers. :)

It’s the beginning of the end of freedom to choose, because with the electric grid infrastructure in disrepair and rolling blackouts all but inevitable due to demand with skyrocketing electric costs as a result, we’ll be reminiscing for the good old days when we could go anywhere, anytime we wanted.(even Elon Musk admitted recently the electric infrastructure is poor).

@smijas

3 жыл бұрын

When Ford started his production line, there were horse stables and hoof-service stations on major roads and junctions,.... When steam ruled the tracks there were watering stations every few 100 miles along side each track,..... Infrastructure changes will be build, power delivery infrastructure will prove to be difficult, but not impossible!

@youwish3575

3 жыл бұрын

@@smijas the difference is when Ford built the Model T, people were interested in progress. Now we have a bunch of uneducated, idealistic twits calling the shots. They think they will be able to power our grid, and our cars, with “green” energy in the form of wind and solar. Neither of which are particularly that green. They dismiss calls for nuclear, which is the only “green” way we could possibly attempt to do this without experiencing rolling blackouts.

@Andrew-zv4fm

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, we will soon not have the ability to choose.

Switched back to petrol in 2010 after 3 diesel vehicles. They were good to drive but overcomplicated with dual-mass flywheel, EGR valves, swirl flaps and particulate filters. This was before the adblue stuff too...I kept each of them 3 years and passed them on before any problems started. My current Alfa Romeo is back to petrol power. Excellent it is too - after >10 years.

I drive a 1984 Mercedes 300SD. The diesel S-Class. I work in a part of town that's very affluent and I park a few spots down from a Tesla Model-S. Looking at the 2 cars I got thinking about how when my grandmother bought my Mercedes back in 1986 she was buying the same ideas the guy in the Model-S was buying when he bought his car. My car gets 30 MPG, which in 84 for a large land yacht of a car was AMAZING. I mean lets be real, that is still good mileage for a large car today. SO if you wanted a large, comfortable, stylish, 'cheap to keep' car in 1984 you bought a Diesel S-Class. Today if you want a large, comfortable, stylish, 'cheap to keep' car you're probably going to get a Tesla Model-S. That being said. I maintain my Mercedes and keep it in like new condition. My car has 420,000 miles on it. I'm not sure about its impact on the environment but I like to think the longer I drive it the the lower its per-mile impact on the planet. I honestly feel my car is a "forever car" meaning there is nothing that I can't fix on it for a reasonable price, If its gone as far as it has it will keep going. I think the idea of getting a new car every few years is WAY worse for the environment then my diesel. In that aspect I think its sad that diesel is dying.

As a VW technician, I prefer to work on EVs. So much cleaner, everything is accessible and easy to get in and out. As for battery life: they tend to last longer than the car, as long as they're properly cared for (which can be said about some engines as well...) HV battery recycling technology is improving as well, so in a few years that won't be a problem either. But I agree on the energy source subject, which is why coal should be phased out as quickly as possible. I won't swap out my trusty old mk4 Jetta any time soon. I don't drive enough to justify a new car, and since I live in a city without access to a garage with a power outlet, I can't charge the car either.

@douglastodd1947

3 жыл бұрын

SO YOUR'E A EV TECH , what do you tend to on an ev , service must be dirt cheap, change the pads. once every what 5year, as i heard you slow down when ever you lift off pedal.

@panzerveps

3 жыл бұрын

@@douglastodd1947 you have to use the brakes, or they will rust. I check the same stuff I would on an ice car, minus the engine ofc. And yeah, the price for a service is about half.

Interesting take in the comments, a lot think that diesel will be around “forever” and a general negativity toward EV. I’m sure people said similar stuff about horses in the early 1900’s.

@ggj1987

3 жыл бұрын

I hate this comparison. The situation right now is not the same as when people went from horses to cars. Right now we’re only changing the drivetrain, not the vehicle itself. See it as going from donkey to horse (not saying ev is better, just saying both animals can be ridden on and one’s a bit different than the other)

Cheers from Europe Eric! I only own diesel engine powered vehicles, among them 2006 CR-V 2.2 i-CTDI - it is awesome engine, good torque, economy, reliability. What is killing diesel now is fairly new engines are not as reliable and often have problems with fuel system, which can get really costly(if you have to replace set of injectors and CR pump, you're done), so much so independent mechanics refuse to repair them(cause they know cost will be big and customer might not want to pay that much for the repair.

1999 vw jetta alh tdi. 370000 miles and still getting 45mpg. Fun car. Even if they stop making them they will still be around for awhile they last forever. 600 plus miles to a tank (14gallons)

France in particular has a very distinguished history when it comes to diesel powered cars. Sometime around the late eighties the governments and the environmentalists in Europe were lobbying really hard to push the use of diesel engines in passenger cars and light vehicles on the basis of it being more efficient than its gasoline powered counterpart. Fast forward forty years, the same actors that told the world that "diesel is the answer" are now pushing to ban the very same technology they pushed, elevating the electric engine as "the new answer" to the issues with pollution. There really is no answer to this problem other than NOT using any more energy, but who is willing to give up on all of the modern life comforts? This is nothing but another half assed decision made to ease the anxiety of the general populace while the fat cats keep on getting fatter and more influential. Long life to the king of the 20th century, the ICE.

@machintelligence

3 жыл бұрын

I don't buy this argument. Just because an old technology wasn't the "perfect" answer doesn't mean it wasn't the right answer *for that time*. To use an analogy: compact fluorescent light bulbs have many disadvantages, including containing mercury, but they were a step in the right direction until made obsolete by LEDs. More efficient light bulbs couldn't be mandated until something usable took the place of incandescent lamps, but no one would have been willing to develop LEDs unless efficiency had been required and the previous solution was flawed.

@aigoru8718

3 жыл бұрын

@@machintelligence I'm talking about the underlying issue with publicly enforced mandates intercrossing consumer oriented products. Meaning, the very same people who are selling us polluting/energy hungry stuff are at the same time preaching about efficiency and green tech. I mean, in our every day lives we sure as hell have no need for a 5 sec 0-60 car, nor for a 5 front facing camera smartphone, but still here we are, mindlessly buying stupid unnecesary shit. If you really think about it, the governments all over the world are OK with it because they get their share if the profits via sale taxes. That's whats bothers me, the hypocrisy of these people who points at us with one hand while pocketing tax money with another. The consumer is to blame for everything but hey, keep spending so our economies don't come crashing down on us. And by no means I'm a bleeding heart liberal nor a tree hugging crackpot. I'm just trying to point that there is something more than just good intentions behind these changes being so aggeesively pushed forward.

Diesel here in the UK is $6.11 per us Gallon.

@michaelguevara8015

3 жыл бұрын

What about gasoline? Or petrol$$$

@approachableactive

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelguevara8015 $6.02 pusg

Cng! There are several major freight fleets with cng powered trucks that have been in the road for several years now. There’s already a lot of infrastructure that 90% of people don’t even know about. It’s cheap and and leaves 0 harmful emissions.

I work in the electronics industry and we are building more and more ECU for commercial-industrial engines that would have been diesel but are now going to gasoline, CNG and propane.

I agree: passenger cars running on diesel seem to be less and less. Always the advantage of diesel has been better price and higher torque on low revs, but electric power has more torque at zero revs and depending on where you live, electricity is cheaper compared to fossil fuel. I think the limiting factor we have now is power storage: batteries have to catch up to be able to fuel our current needs (cars, phones, devices in general). There are efforts out there to mass produce batteries with better power density, lighter and even more important, built using less harmful and expensive materials. In my opinion, maybe in 10 years or even more we will reach a point when full electric vehicles will outperform everything else.

@Nomad8324

3 жыл бұрын

They seem to be following the fad like everything else for their markets nothing more. Battery technology will need major breakthroughs before we see and real practical breakaway from the disaster that is strip mining for the minerals to make these short lived battery packs.

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

They already out perform but some areas like CA can't provide enough electricity as it is so i think we need to let it happen organically. Lithium mining is nasty and done in communist China where there are no workers rights, fair pay, collective bargaining, safety standards, or meaningful environmental rules which I am not okay with

The average person in this country doesn't consider environmental impact when choosing a vehicle, nor should they. Most of us are too busy trying to feed our families and pay our bills.

@Doctor_X

3 жыл бұрын

and buying suv and pickups that cost as much as a house.

@animal79thecat

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doctor_X And as BIG as a house

@just_your_localguard9612

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doctor_X cars about same, tbh, :/ buying any new vehicle is ridiculous, even electric cars are way to over priced for what they are.

@sebastiencharette6637

3 жыл бұрын

@@Doctor_X hahahaha. with the can $ standing around 75¢ US. the average truck is in mid 50k, 60k for a bit of luxury, 80k for full package and 110,000$ for a full equipped 2500 diesel truck. Ghawd dahmn.

@sebastiencharette6637

3 жыл бұрын

Best way to be environmentally friendly is to recycle reclaim and reuse older cars hahaha I drove my 97 till the wheels fell off.

I’m also an Eric and a car guy, ever since taking auto mechanics class in high school (remember those days?) I’ve found the 4 stroke internal combustion engine very inefficient, way too many moving parts, 2 strokes and rotary are a bit better but they have their issues as well then throw in a transmission...... I believe the diesels are more purpose built, good for torque at a low rpm, electric motors also have great instant torque but must be supported by a huge battery bank to sustain it. Modern cruise ships use Diesel engines but not for propulsion but to drive generators that feed the electric motors used for propulsion. I personally like all versions of drive systems, I love my Jeep and Mini S convert. and in 2019 bought a Tesla model 3 performance and love it, I put 30k miles on mine the first year and in that time did no more then add windshield washer fluid it, I plug it in at home and the next morning I leave with a “full tank” at the cost of about $4 and a range of 310 miles, that said I’ve also just ordered a new sprinter 4x4 van with the diesel 6 in it for a overland conversion, so I’m counting on diesel on being around a while and as long as there’s long runtime, high demand power needed anywhere it will be....but you never know. I remember telling my friend back in 2000 that digital cameras will never compete in resolution with film cameras, well......just never say never.

You were a day late on my birthday, but thanks!!! haha After watching the video. I would agree I think there is a ton of hype around electric vehicles and people like them. From a driving standpoint they do offer a good bit of fun with all of the torque coming immediately. However, I will say I owned a 2006 Jetta TDI for about 10 years and I miss that car a ton. The torquey little engine that just seemed like it couldn't ever be stopped. I sold it with 260k on it and I would've still trusted it to take me across the country on a road trip.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday!

Imagine calling your employer telling them you forgot to charge your car last night so you have to spend an hour charging your car at a charging station

@nathangibson2114

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, if you work 400 miles away, maybe...

@justinhughes889

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathangibson2114 I don’t see them practical and I surely don’t see them saving the world by any means also it was mainly a joke but mostly this is my opinion

@nathangibson2114

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinhughes889 I can appreciate that. But the new Tesla batteries are going to be 500+ me range in some cars and 700+ miles in the truck. For the avg person, they could charge their vehicle once a week and still have many, many miles of range left.

@Zach-td5mb

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathangibson2114 you realize that won’t actually happen right?

@nathangibson2114

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zach-td5mb what won't actually happen?

I doubt diesel is dead. Im a diesel mechanic at an underground mine and we have yet to find an electric mucker that will last as long as our diesels or cost as much or less to maintain. We have some machines that are nearly 30yrs old, the handful of electric muckers we've tried have died and been rendered useless in less than 5 years and cost a small fortune.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like I can talk about muckers in general conversation now. Thank you! Seriously, thank you for that input.

@samwagner31

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETCG1 it's definitely a niche market that not a lot of people don't think about. Most people I've talked to assume underground mines use electric vehicles because of the emmisions, but with proper ventilation, DPFs, and the shift to blended biofuels, you can run some massive equipment underground. We're a relatively small mine, but we run over 300 pieces of diesel equipment from kubota side by sides to 20 ton trucks.

I have both (Nissan Leaf and Hyundai Tucson 2.0L turbo diesel) and they're a great combo; Leaf as a daily driver that's super-fun to drive and costs basically nothing, and the Tucson for weekends and holiday trips - you can load it up with people and luggage and it doesn't miss a beat even on hilly terrain. I agree that diesels are probably on their way out due to hybrid tech like the newer Toyota RAV4, but they're very refined now, so are a pleasure to drive when mated to a good gearbox. As for Hydrogen, I believe transporting and storing it is very expensive due to the tech involved, so not sure how viable it is, not to mention it's yet another distribution network that would be needed alongside gasoline and electric.

I work for sorta/Metro and Cincinnati and we’ve been told that all buses in the near future by Gillig that makes our buses powered by Cummins has already started offering an electric motors and will soon be switched completely over to all electric

In Ireland we don't have infrastructure thank god 😌

@wotnoturbo

3 жыл бұрын

That wont stop them foisting it upon us, we'll be taxed out of fossil cars & left stranded by electric

EV cars actually when including the cost of making , mining the materials for the batteries and scrapping. Is actually more CO2 then gas engines right now unless their getting power from nuclear power plants. www.prageru.com/video/are-electric-cars-really-green/ For Electric powered stuff , small engine stuff will be replaced them in the near future. ( lawnmowers , chain saws, string trimmers etc) However i personally prefer gas powered at this time. Except for leaf blowers

@fwgmills

3 жыл бұрын

And for cars that do use more CO2 in manufacturing they make up for that in the first 2 years of driving ownership.

@90albert0

3 жыл бұрын

Did you actually read the article you linked? Because it says the exact opposite you are claiming.

@lukeh7854

3 жыл бұрын

This is a myth!

In southern Europe, diesel passenger cars were about 50% of the market. That is closer to 10% sales now. Those VW diesels were very fast and left huge black clouds.

Why note convert your Element into all Electric vs Diesel? That would be an interesting series!

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

I'm giving it to my brother.

My diesel car has 450 foot pounds of torque and will do 0-60 in 5.4 sec

@mcplutt

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing

Engineering Explained has a really good video that answers most of Eric's questions. TL;DW - EVs are almost universally better for the environment except in the most extreme circumstances.

Volvo does the same in Sweden at their factory. And chargeable cars are now more common in sold cars than diesel cars are. Passed them at around 30% of the market last few months. Petrol cars still have a few percent more than the ev's.

You said the magic word France.

We're just seeing the begining of electric vehicles taking over, the electric motor has been pretty well mastered, it's the battery tech that needs to get better and they will get there. When electric vehicle battery's can charge up in 5 minutes like filling up at the gas pump and give you 500+ mile range it's going to be pretty hard to keep justifying combustion engines, but this could still be decades away. The regenerative capabilities going down hill is pretty cool for people who live in hilly mountainous areas. I think there will be lots of room for electric conversions in the shop. I think there should be a government subsidy for people wanting to convert there classic vehicle to electric and the subsidy gets passed to the mechanic to order a conversion kit for the client and bill out and install accordingly, that would be pretty cool.

@adventureoflinkmk2

3 жыл бұрын

If that happens I'm buying another 4th gen Camry (preferably with a blown engine and/or transmission) with everything else rock solid and I'm converting that to EV

@jackhofalot6705

3 жыл бұрын

Ain't nobody going to want to convert shit to EV haha that's literally taking the entire car apart to put in all this new parts that need to be fit for every single car made. Way way too much money and resources to do this. Maybr buy out your gasser for money towards a newer already produced EV

@robertbell525

3 жыл бұрын

It will be very difficult to get anywhere near being able to charge a 500 mile range in say 5-10 mins. The power needed is enormous and that's for one car. Industrial level voltages and amps. Not something that will be available to the soccer mom who can't even keep her washer fluid failed.

@adventureoflinkmk2

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackhofalot6705 yeah about that... David aka the 8-bit guy once converted his own car to electric many years ago

@Amund7

3 жыл бұрын

In winter: Instant heat, drive off like it's summer. No pain hearing the cold cackling diesel engine wanting to break the crank in half. Americans love diesels and stick shifts, because it's rare, and therefore cool. Here in Europe all cars have diesel and stickshift, it's what your mom drives and there's nothing cool about it. I always liked big american SUVs and big German luxurymobiles, with ever bigger engines, ever smoother automatic transmissions, ever quicker accelleration, and the natural extension of that is a Tesla. At least for me. The charging is not a problem when you have a regular outlet at home, the car is always ready next morning, even if not at 100%, enough to go to work. For road trips, you time it so you make a bathroom break or something to eat the 15-20 minutes the car needs to charge.

here is another point of view: there are many aspects that tell me that this is not about what is good for us, but what is good for someone else (reasons: actual emission of diesel and petrol, the magnitude of these emissions regarding the whole bucket, complexity debates, we can go into these but it would end up in a novel). if diesel is soo bad, why not regulate the shipping industry, energy sector, truck industry etc in the first place? noone is blaming ships for burning crude oil.. on the other hand, i would not sell my diesel, to get an electric at 3 times the price + 3 times more limitations. somehow the whole story just doesn't add up..

I have respect for this video, this man seems to shelve any biases he may have. I am an electric vehicle enthusiast, an electrician in training, and like most young boys love the sound and power of an engine. I think that diesel is dead in passenger cars due to the infrastructure and ease of use that tesla offers. I have seen, read, and researched many reports on the pollution of electric vehicles and it appears that while the production of batteries and electric vehicles produces more carbon and pollutants than producing an ICE vehicle over the life of the vehicle it will eventually "pay off" its carbon footprint and be cleaner than burning gas, this process will happen quicker depending on how you charge it, tesla is working on all its superchargers being clean, if you live in Canada or Norway or somewhere with a lot of hydro-electric it's even quicker, etc. I believe it will be hard for other manufacturers to catch up with Tesla without buying into their infrastructure or building their own, but I do think that electric vehicles are the future and that they should be embraced. Most mothers driving a rav4 or minivan to get to and from school and the store would and should go electric, it would be better for them and the environment. I think diesel is going to stick around for excursion type vehicles or places that don't have the electric infrastructure, but I think that the biggest priority to switch to electric and help cut down on emissions is the grid and commercial applications. I love my bike because it's loud, I love the sound of a tuned supra, I test drove a super duty and loved it, but my dad drives a straight truck for work and complains about the noise fairly frequently. Diesel is dead in passenger cars.. unless we kill it everywhere else.

In europe around 2010 amount of sold new diesel passenger was same as gasoline cars. But diesel cars after ~2005 was overloaded with faulty emissions devices and now people (in europe) prefer gasoline engines due better reliability.

Come on Eric we both live near Cincinnati OH, I'm sure Duke is going 🤑 over all this.. lol Even so we need a MASSIVE grid overhaul to handle all the EVs

Sure, nuclear power carries some risk/vulnerability-but nothing relative to "climate change".

@scottibass

3 жыл бұрын

it makes me sad that there are new promising technology innovations in nuclear but they will never take off because of the previous nuclear go boom events.

@jamesdelap4085

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottibass That and "CHEAP, AVAILABLE" for U.S is something they don't want.

@workingcountry1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottibass in the USA we have never had a nuke plant meltdown. The issue is they are very expensive to run compared to more common hydro power. Maybe new plants could be more economical to operate?

@scottibass

3 жыл бұрын

@@workingcountry1776 we had a partial meltdown at 3 mile island. I read that the slow burn nuclear reactors are cheaper to run, but yeah initial investment would be high

I've been waiting for you to do a diesel for years. You could still do one, diesel being dead or not.

@ETCG1

3 жыл бұрын

I never said diesel was dead in trucks. I hope to get one someday to use as a tow rig. Thanks for the comment.

The E/V topic worries me. I've always loved my cars/trucks and they're all gasoline. My wife has an 81 Z-28 she's had since new, what is the fate of our beloved hot rods should they stop oil production? It's bound to happen, all I see is gas prices going to 12.00 a gallon, sort of like R12 refrigerant, remember that one? Great video Eric... Cheers!