In Japan, Citizen has always been considered the 'little brother' to Seiko. This always kept Citizen hungry. Seiko has become complacent and lazy. Citizen is making the better watches these days with excellent quality control.

@MetalMD7

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great idea for a business biopic.

@atifghafoor6258

Жыл бұрын

I would say the seiko replacement is orient rather then citizen

@pb6839

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with that, Japanese watch fans get far more excited over complicated quartz citizen movements than Seiko automatics. Seiko is just perceived as a cheap automatic watch you buy in shopping mall there. As a Seiko fan, I was a bit disappointed when I realized that, but it also opened by eye to how far citizens quartz movements have come.

@atifghafoor6258

Жыл бұрын

@@pb6839 I think citizen is popular for there eco drive watches not there normal battery powered ones.

@jasongultjaeff9397

Жыл бұрын

​@atifghafoor6258 I suspect Citizen sell alot more watches worldwide than Orient, who aren't even officially in some markets (like Aus). Citizen have a much larger range, new designs and better technology technology. Orient is big on KZread and the watch blogs.

Citizen is tougher, more reliable and less problem than Seiko, with half a price of it, seriously people should appreciate Citizen more

@chris9650

Жыл бұрын

I hope they don't. We all know what happens once a company starts selling well 🤫😄

@ahha6304

Жыл бұрын

@@chris9650 OK true that

@spikefcast1892

Жыл бұрын

Yes I say my nb1060 blue is an awfull piece. They should lower their price. ……so I will buy the white one 😋

@afraza5946

Жыл бұрын

And less qc issues known

@calnative4904

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Growing up, I always thought Citizen was a high end brand

@alexanderm8476

Жыл бұрын

How wrong you were 😢

@LawryBoyer

Жыл бұрын

Same but only bc they had the cool giant colorful chronos and were some of the more expensive options at Macy’s

@leadreviewer3257

Жыл бұрын

I like them I wore seiko for over 20yrs and now I have 2 citizen watches I think they are excellent and very good looking

@djdelarosa25

Жыл бұрын

idky why but Citizen just never spoke to me in a way Seiko and Orient do

@MarkDanger777

Жыл бұрын

​@@djdelarosa25I honestly have the same feeling about seiko instead of citizen. For some reason seikos are so nice but I just cant seem to like it more than citizen models, I like orient stars and citizens more than seikos, also I do have some watches with the seiko nh35 movements and I hate those movements cause they're so bad in accuracy, all of them are 25 to 30 secs off a day.

In the US, Citizen has been the much more ubiquitous and advertsed "mall" brand for 30+ years. They absolutely body Seiko in sales here. That Blue Angels chrono spinning on a turntable in Macys when I was a kid is why im here today.

@hyedefinition1080

Жыл бұрын

Seiko still has had a higher brand perception till now though

Citizen need to bring more 38mm, 39mm dial watches. Their watches for non-japanese markets are mostly quite big. That is not the case with Seiko.

@nikolajankovic8326

Жыл бұрын

Agree

@JustOneMoreWatch

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, too many 43mm with 21mm lugs!

@jeanlefranc3817

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. A 38 mm, 11 mm thick case elegant eco-drive model with one of these truly nice Citizen dial at around or below €400 would be unbeatable.

@NotThatOneThisOne

Жыл бұрын

And, if they're going domed, make the crystal acrylic. It's going to scratch.

@msmucr

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my first thought! I'm generally a big fan of Citizen watches, but last 15y or so it suffers that same issue like most of bigger vendors. For year it's almost impossible to buy an affordable, nice looking smaller watch, be it mechanical or quartz. Not sure, who started this fad, that 41-42 mm is a new default case size for everything and maybe after some of moaning, they will now create one, two smaller models from hundred. It should be other way around IMO. My wrist is touch over 18cm, but still appreciate great fit of 36-38mm vintage watches for daily wear, same for many people around me. Of course at a diver, tactical or some busy chronometer - big size makes a sense there. Moreover larger cases require very careful design to successfully accommodate small diameter movement - like with date or day-date position against dial indexes or numerals - often you can see design horrors there :)).

I got my first Citizen year 1990. It was a Promaster Aqualand C022, and I am wearing it still today. A batterychange of the three batteries each 3-4 years only. An excellent watch IMHO.

@Nick-wh4jt

Жыл бұрын

Got mine right here as well 👍

As the self confessed Citizen fan, I think the cocktail wins this one comfortably. However, a commendably good effort and I feel this has been a test of the water for Citizen to guage reaction.

So glad you are reviewing this model. The history of the Parawater is pretty cool. They left them floating with buoys and people found them floating in the ocean.

i like it love the blue textured dial and the fact that its a limited edition at a good price sets it apart

That’s a looker! Enjoy your day Dr. Jody - looking forward to see the full video when I get off work 😃

Nice to see another dress Citizen review as the gap to Seiko is closing. Great job Jody and Watch Direct 🎉

Citizen the Citizen Chronometer in the white and more importantly red washi paper looks absolutely stunning. Can't wait to see it in person (if still available) on my trip to Japan

@elgatto3133

Жыл бұрын

red washi paper was limited

@Ashwekar

Жыл бұрын

@@elgatto3133 :(

Citizen needs to do a sub-40mm version of this. I really like the additional lume pips; makes it more useful than than the Seiko; it's a shame that it fades pretty quickly. The Seiko you have does seem to have a much better looking dial. I'm actually wearing my SRPE43 today.

Citizen was my first watch. My dad bought it for me when I was 5. Blue dial, manual wind. Wish I still had it.

I got my first Citizen about a week back, the NK0000-10A (JDM watch)and it is the same case (different finishing) and movement and at the price I paid it was very hard to beat by any Seiko offering. It is also the more classic (vintage?) look with polished hands and a blued second hand, silver/white sunburst dail. I absolutely love it! Nice, video as always, Jody. But we would have to agree to disagree.

Ive always loved Seiko watches...but Citizen have passed Seiko long ago. Citizen's dive watches are absolutely fantastic and their Eco drive models are really nice. I still love Seiko watches but to me, Citizen is much better in terms of Quality,variety and style

Good video and review! I agree with all of your points. My initial impressions are good. I’d like the dial, hands and indices. However, the diameter and lug-to-lug are too large. The bracelet needs a greater taper and a better clasp with more micro adjustments. And, of course, I would like to see a sapphire crystal.

I just picked up one of the Unite with blue promaster limited editions and the dial is sensational in the direct sunlight. I dare say it would be up there for dial of the year Jody!

That is a lovely little piece. If you look at it as a GADA, it might be a fantastic addition. It’s more understated than the Presage line, but I’m not sure that’s a bad thing… Presage feels like a dress watch. The Citizen feels a little sportier.

I have the green dial. Its true, around the house, I can't see much definition on the dial, but when i wear it during a drive, the sunlight brings that dial to life 🤩

i have a tsuyosa and it's incredibly well made and sized universally. their eco-drive line though seems to be produced for those w/ large wrists.

My Citizen H-145 eco-drive is radio-controlled and has a beautiful navy blue tuxedo dial. Finish, alignment, all spot on. Great daily driver and you never have to adjust it or change a battery. Yes the bracelet/clasp is janky, but that’s the only drawback in my view.

@markiangooley

Ай бұрын

I wore a radio-controlled Citizen for nearly ten years. I wore out five leather watch bands and finally got a steel one. I wear it occasionally now. Still sometimes gets the radio signal.

Citizen needs to drop some serious money at the design department though. Seiko was virtually always sexier

I have a few Citizens and will be happy to see if they start making some interesting dials and give Seiko some competition on that front.

I agree with your conclusion on this dial, but I still think that Citizen Campanola line has the best dials out there. Tetsuo Gido's lacquer dials are breathtaking.

I love the way the two arrowheads at 12 look the same size as the others but its all let down by the chopped arrowhead at 3... Love the finish and proflle of the case but the bezel, glass and hands look like a 4:45 Friday afternoon rushed selection fron the Citizen parts database. The Seiko dial, hands, bezel and glass look so much more considered.

Interesting topic. I have indeed seen some amazing Citizen dials. Worth watching. I WILL say that my 2004 Citizen Perpetual Calendar Eco-Drive bought new in '04 and kept ever since has one of the best BRACELETS of any watch I own, and that includes my watches in the $2-4k range. Yup, I said it.

Check out the new Citizen BN0166-01L. Absolutely stunning dial. The combo of blue and green is stunning.

Currently wearing my Citizen Kuroshio '64 Limited Edition with the Cream Dial that was only available on the Asian market to 1,959 Pieces in each colorway(Signifying the year 1959 when Citizen released their first water resistant watch, the Parawater.) I absolutely love it, and it was a steal on Chrono24 for $275 USD. I definitely think Citizen has caught up to Seiko

My favorite out of Citizen and Seiko is whichever one makes one of these Cocktail time style dress watches in an appropriate dress watch size. 36mm please!

I think it's beautiful. I love the dial texture and minimal text.

Imo that watch looks a little bit dull. But in general i think Citizen took the Place of Seiko. With Seiko going higher in Price, Citizen is now the Champion kn affordable Watches. The Fujitsubo, the Promaster line and the Tsuyosa are stunning and big seller. Seiko used to be the best bang for your buck when you could buy an Alpinist for 450 $ and an SKX for 200 $. But nowadays Citizen is the Champ of affordable Watches.

@karlsenula9495

Жыл бұрын

Orient: "hey what about me???"

The answer simply is Citizen group NOT Seiko! I love Citizen and Bulova. I could care less about Seiko's devotion to Dials its quality control Seiko lacks. So thank you for rising above the one eyed Seiko supporters and giving Citizen the love it deserves. I love Citizen Eco drive, accurate and reliable and still cutting edge in its technology. I will be buying this Citizen watch in the cream, it is glorious. Keep up the good and balanced reviews. Oh Jody I do own some Seiko's but rarely wear them. 😉

Hi Jody! I have a titanium version of that same clasp. Is there an alternative/ direct replacement in titanium that adds more micro adjust? (Don't really care if pressed or milled) Thanks!

Great review 👍 I think you were right on all counts. It's definitely not in the same league as Seiko, although still has a place in the market at the price. I didn't get the urge to get on the Web to get one where as the Seiko review I did. 👍

Jory Goodman (The Time Teller) has an interesting opinion specifically about this type of dials.

Some great design and value in the Eco-Drive line. No battery required.

Looking at that Citizen, it doesn't really 'pop' in any way to my eye. It has a sort of 'generic' feel to it - hard to put into words. But when you brought out that beautiful Seiko towards the end of the video, that really sealed the deal for me. Citizen make some excellent watches, no doubt, but if they want to go head-to-head with Seiko on the dress/cocktail type, they have - as you said - quite a way to go ! Great video !

I love Seiko, and I dare say most subs feel the same. However the constant alignment issues, poor spec vs price isn't winning me over anymore. All the Seiko's I now own are older models because they still represented good value.

@bogrot69

Жыл бұрын

Same here. People expected their QC to tighten up when they started to bump up their prices but it never happened.

@darthgiggity7948

Жыл бұрын

For a Seiko watch to have great specs you now have to spend somewhere close to a thousand US Dollars. For that reason, Citizen, Orient, and of course Casio deserve to get more attention.

@snacklofter

Жыл бұрын

👍👍 Totally agree! It's older Seiko's only for me know - I have a Citizen 'Prime' diver - it's superb!

@paulhopkins1905

Жыл бұрын

My collection is now down to one Seiko. Their affordable watches all have hardlex and crap bracelets, and misalignment issues. Their more expensive watches are far behind other watches for the same money, and have misalignment issues

@metatechnologist

Жыл бұрын

Yea it's sad really. They're trying to shave a dime off here and there and it shows.

For the record, I shouted out Vario… I like the subtlety of the dial, but mineral crystal and cheap pressed clasp at this price isn’t good enough.

Jody my man! I'm still enjoying the pleasure of the Cadisen C1032 which you advised almost 4 years ago. It's still beating hard and at $55 CDN it ticks all the feature boxes. Great video mate. Stay Blessed 🙏🏽👊🏽

Jody, nice review. This would be a great "office" watch. Needless to say I'm a big Citizen dive watch fan and have numerous. As far as Seiko goes I bought one a few years back and was greatly disappointed, and it's only been worn a couple of times. Sadly it really turned me off to the brand.

That's a beautiful watch. For the price I would avoid it because of the mineral glass crystal though.

My experience with Seiko and Citizen only in their entry model, Seiko 7s26 movement is used to gain some minutes in a week time compared to minus some minutes from miyota movement from Citizen.

Try getting hold of one in the UK though? I have no idea why Citizen dont stock a fuller range in the UK.

What a beautiful dial of the citizen shown at the beginning of the video. Does anyone know the reference number of it? It looks like the vintage Seiko Superior Morpho.

If you would like to look at more interesting citizen dials, it would be great if you could review the seriest8 MOP dial.

I got all excited before I saw the size. It really needs to be 38mm, it also needs to have sapphire at that price.

Comparing these two beloved brands is quite hard. They both have their own shortcomings. Usually with citizen is a smaller date window and a smaller crowns. I have both citizens and seikos. I guess they both offer diff products for diff customers and theyre both awesome brands!

@mariog7213

Жыл бұрын

The crowns might be because citizens focus has been more on quartz watches that don’t require much interaction with the crown. I’m just speculating here but it seems like a reasonable conclusion to me

@sivanstar

Жыл бұрын

@@mariog7213 yeah that could be why.. 👍

Great share, but it's a slight miss citizen. Have you reviewed Wise watches?

For a long time now, I have considered Citizen the best Japanese watch. Their EcoDrive is amazing. The second hand always lines up with the second indices, the quality is superb and to be accurate to a few seconds a month (usually 4 seconds) is amazing. I would certainly rate Citizen ahead of Seiko.

@Anirossa

Жыл бұрын

I got a seiko solar, it does +1s/month reliability I do, however, prefer Citizen for mechanical movements as Seiko should pretty much start using Miyota movements or start trying with thwir own IMHO.

@daleyfamily2179

Жыл бұрын

@@Anirossa Why would Seiko us miyota movements? You mean citizen?

@Anirossa

Жыл бұрын

@daleyfamily2179 Mean that Seiko should start using miyota and stop producing their own as they are terrible.

@nielwilliams4687

Жыл бұрын

@@daleyfamily2179 Miyota belongs to Citizen.

@Stanjara

Жыл бұрын

@@Anirossa Ok you are off here. Your time precision is based on quartz tech, and Seiko movement rotor winds the watch in both directions, meaning it won't make such empty spinning noise on your wrist. Lume is also superior. Seiko is one lv above Citizen. Is it worth double the price? It depends.

Is the lume a mint colour? I always associate that with fairly low quality old lume. The dial looks good with a macro lens but I'd guess most of the time I wouldn't be able to appreciate it.

I think it’s getting there. I’d love to get my hands on a Tsuyosa.

Jody, take a look a Citizen’s “Rolan” line of Eco-Drive watches. Interesting dials and a great price 😉👍!

i got it for 350 aud brother. cant go wrong with this vintage excellent time piece

I just bought this watch and I really enjoy it as an everyday. I replaced the bracelet but it's very good for the price imo. Very attractive and wears very well.

I say it all the time , how can Seiko ,Citizen and overs, not compete with certain micro brands. Sapphire glass , bracelet. Cheers Jody

@hattyfarbuckle

Жыл бұрын

and the answer is they generally want to protect the "value" of the models that have the features we want but cost $?00 more. I still find Citizen EcoDrive and Seiko NHs at Sub $200 with Sapphire but they are exceptions/ not popular/ old models

@Stanjara

Жыл бұрын

Because Seiko and Citizen make thousands of watches a day in house... while micros buy finished parts without RND, reatail stores and marketing. They also make 500 watches a series and try to sell them through KZreadrs and Instagram.

@briangeorge7965

Жыл бұрын

@@hattyfarbuckle thanks for sharing. I don’t wish to get into a massive discussion/ debate . My daily drive is a vintage omega. My bashers are citizens eco Pepsi and Seiko air king . Plus I’m currently making my second watch. Seikos quality control is way past it update day. To bypass none screw down crowns and sapphire and bracelets is beyond explanation. I appreciate your reply

Hey Jody, this is Ron C from Florida, a little off topic,but you need to review the Casio DW-H5600, it is amazing! Cheers

I recently purchased a Citizen EO2021-05. I've been waiting years for a small diver, there was no way I was paying the asked prices for an SKX013. Citizen knocked it out of the park, it's an amazing watch. The face, hands & case are gorgeous, even the strap suits it. I have no idea why Citizens aren't talked about as much as Seikos, the tech and build quality are phenominal.

Although I really like the cocktail time that you have in the video, I often think they’re trying to hard with some of their other dials. I think this one compares more favorably to a poor man’s Omega aquaracer. And in that comparison $350 US is outstanding for what you’re getting… Thanks, Judy.

I love my Citizen except the clasp. Spot on review Jodi. Thank you

That is beautiful, in my opinion. Dimensions are also just right for me for that style of watch. would have that in a heartbeat over a Seiko.

Hey, how come you are not getting the yellow watch box? It should come with it...

Seiko prices have crept up over the years, while citisen has just kept up plodding along making decent watches. So yes, I agree they have become the better value for money watch.

Now better? Always has been 😉

I have a few Citizens. Love them. Have my eye on more 👍

Anyone have an ID on that straten? Can't find that particular model on their site, love the look

From a Seiko fan that is a lovely watch I could cheerfully have that Citizen 👍

what is best of eco-drive citizen or seiko automatic watch? 🤔

It wasn’t until relatively recently that I really started appreciating Seiko. If you go to a store like Macy’s that carries both brands, compare the offerings of both without a bias for mechanical movements, it’s clear that dollar for dollar citizen has much higher quality. The thing is that citizen does have some gaudy and/or cluttered designs

Excellent review Jody. Not my thing, but that Citizen is a beautiful piece for sure

Hey Jody, I’m wondering if you’ve heard of Mr. Jones Watches and if you’ve ever considered reviewing them? I’m not sure if they are something you would be interested in reviewing seeing as they are more artsy than they are practical, but they have some truly stunning and fun watches in their collection

Love the t-shirt. I also love my Citizens they are amazing!

I also have these watches ⌚️ I fell in love with them so I bought both colours ❤

If this watch had been a Seiko the indices would be patterned on actual bird feathers that wafted past the design studio in Japan.

It would make a good every day watch. With the narrow bezel, I'd prefer it at 37mm.

Love my Citizen Watches 🥰 all 8 of them 😍

i got a ecodrive chronograph from my girlfriend for christmas 4 years ago and i wear it everywhere except to work where i wear my timex expedition chronograph, don't know why i have to wear a chronograph to work as a painter but it looks really nice when i'm 40 feet up painting the dental work on a 200 year old house

We are spoiled by Chinese watches giving us sapphire for pennies. But I do remember when I first got into watches and was strictly into eco-drives, I found both the AW1490-50A Chandler in titanium with sapphire, as well as the AR3070-04L Stiletto with sapphire, each for under $200. I suppose Citizen is charging a premium for their autos, since the market is kinda forcing them to send a couple westward, even though you can get other-brand watches with better Miyota movements and specs for less $$. There's never been a weaker moment for Citizen to try to make a splash in the auto world, so they need to bring it big time, and that's not ever really seemed to have been Citizen's thing.

I have been looking for a citizen eco drive dress watch and most are not cheap. Most are super boring too. I like dress watches with leather straps that are soft and comfortable. I wonder if citizen will have it, they are a huge company. So is Seiko.

I am wearing an an 80's Promaster as I watch this. The secret is out I guess. I do think Seiko is coming out of their nap though.....

From what I could tell, getting into watches just couple of years ago, Citizen is better, and only more clearly as the more I hear of these Seiko issues that never seem to be corrected.

I think the parawater dials from Citizen were the most beautiful ever made. So, what else is new 😊

I'm literally sitting here wearing my favorite watch, a black gen1 Skyhawk, U600 movement.

For a great looking dial for little £££ have a look at the Timex Q Falcon Eye

This might be the Presage I have been looking for ...

I’ve been thinking of buying a citizen eco drive or a Seiko solar for a while. The range of Seikos is very disappointing whereas citizen have a much bigger and much better looking range, plenty of which have sapphire crystal. I think I’m going to wait for their forthcoming eco drive 365 which looks stunning in my opinion.

I'm dropping the hammer on the black dial version. For the ultimate retro styling, an expander bracelet 😮 it'll look retro chique

Citizen watches are some of my favorites

Yeah I have the newer cocktail time like your Irish one Jody the Old Clock (dark blue). The Citizen gets no where near it. Gets a ‘must try harder… see me’ 😆

Bought my kuroshio 64 for 270sgd earlier this month during 6.6 from citizen on shopre and I love it very much, however my friend mentioned how the dial looks like a butthole and I can't unsee that

Best dials under $500? Zelos.

Jody…do you have more tee shirts than watches, or more watches than tees? Always good videos…Thanks.

Love citizens & have lots of them, but this one at this price needs a 9000 series inside, sapphire crystal & a milled clasp to be desirable for me.

It reminds me of bulova's american clipper, and honestly i find dial more interesting.

Seiko fan boy but Citizen are starting to pique my interest. Any near future plans on reviewing the Tsuyosa? I feel this may be my first purchase from the brand

I love their eco drive. Great solar action

@glennbeadshaw727

Жыл бұрын

Yep 40 Years of battery life which is actually a capacitor

I bought the Citizen Kuroshio over the Coctail time, mostly because there are not so many of them as the Seiko's and I am not regretting it.

Where is the t-shirt from its epic just like the watch

I know you compare it with Seiko cocktail. However, I compare it with Orient Bambino. Dressy 40.8mm with domed mineral crystall.