The idea of vox secretly having a crush on alastor and alastor not giving an absolute fuck is actually a hilarious idea.

@Queerqueen1234

2 ай бұрын

I LOVE IT

@Pinkywinkykinky

2 ай бұрын

it's canon he has a suppressed crush on him 💀

@DanaTheDarknessDragonQueen

2 ай бұрын

Static radio

@w98

2 ай бұрын

@@Pinkywinkykinkydo you have a source for that information? I genuinely want to know if it’s actually cannon.

@inserthahafunniusername9656

2 ай бұрын

It's so obvious that vox wants Al to angrily fuck him

As an aroace, I do respect that Vivzie doesn’t confirm whether or not Alastor is Aroace to protect their fans and fandom. But at the same time, It’s stupid how people will either leave the fandom because of it or get harassed because of it. IT’S JUST A CARTOON CHARACTER. HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW ABOUT HIS OWN SEXUALITY.

@caitlinpanettieri4957

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, like as if that ever changes when people ship in other movies or show OR ANIME!!! 🤦🏻‍♀🤦🏻‍♀

@elizabethg.1221

2 ай бұрын

I love this comment because I think people forget that there are people who are Aroace who can relate to Alastor and those who complain about it are insensitive and usually complain about anything that doesn't go exactly their way. We see how Vivzie has a lot of characters you can relate to. It's typical of everyone that the only thing on their mind is sex but I love that Alastor is not sexual like all the other characters and creates entertaining moments like when Alastor radio cracked when Angel dust was like "I can suck your d***" "HA No!" Forever lives rent free in my head.

@PowerPunk31590

2 ай бұрын

Yeah definitely

@mrscruffles801

2 ай бұрын

Where did this obsession with being "ace" even come from? You aren't attracted to anyone, and that's perfectly fine, but there's zero reason to be making a show of it (not you specifically, the people who obsess over it). Sexuality should not be an identity.

@theotterside3871

2 ай бұрын

@@mrscruffles801 Here's the thing. Hazbin Hotel isn't about sexuality's or identities, which is why it's so ridiculous that people will get upset if it gets confirmed.

As an aroace, it honestly feels dehumanizing in a way? People threatening to leave the random just because hes aromantic. That is INSANE. Just imagine how those people are with real life aromantics😭😭

@arsonzartz

2 ай бұрын

bro same

@andrewmalinowski6673

2 ай бұрын

Just because he's ace doesn't mean he couldn't be an interesting character, but the idea does seem like they're more aware of only; heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual as orientations while viewing any asexual as being akin to either a robot or ghost. It would make sense for him to be such a skilled dealmaker when he doesn't have the "weight" of a romantic relationship to deal with

@kwyne2008

2 ай бұрын

As a demiaroace, it's Tiring how society views love and link it with romance. Like, aroace people also love, enter relationships, and stay with other people for the rest of their lives, being either through marriage or not. How they'll manage this relationship could be through several ways. People also treat aroaces as not "meant to", "deserving" or even "capable" of meaningful relationships when the bond they form with a special one could be even bigger than most marriages I've seen around.

@mischalecterTV

Ай бұрын

It happens more often than not. If they can't smut a character out beyond belief without expecting backlash, then they want nothing with it. But they'll totally respect gay, bi, trans, binary, or lesbian characters. I mean they went OFF when that one guy made a fan music video where the main character was involved, and everyone got upset because she's a lesbian. But to even consider defending and respecting asexuality or AroAce ? Dignity and reason leaves them. Reminds me of the old Tumblr and live journal days where people kept frantically shipping characters left and right or even with their OCs. Borderline obsessive in such an unhealthy way too.

@bellmell_

Ай бұрын

​@@mischalecterTV Charlie is actually bissexual, but you have a point. Evry time people ship lesbians with man or gays with woman, people on the comments are always mad and saying how the ship is bad! But them when a character is aroace than: "sexuality doesn't matter" "I don't care" "best ship" "wish It was canon!"

Aro ace people exist. If anyone has a problem with that, they can fuck right off. If you want to ship Alastor anyway as a source of harmless fun, I don’t care as long as you aren’t rude or weird about it

@SleonHikari

2 ай бұрын

This

@whywouldyoudothat1346

2 ай бұрын

LET HIM COOK 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️

@averytinyatiny6652

2 ай бұрын

LITERALLY THIS! Also shippers the weird who are toxic and try to invalidate aroace fans that aren't comfortable when seeing ships also need to pipe down.

@emilycompo1092

2 ай бұрын

I agree with Viv on what she said; she did pointed out she wanted her fans to have fun with their creatively on fanfiction or vice versa. In my honest opinion, (correct me if I'm wrong) there are two kinds of shippers: the ones who are laid back, open-minded and chill about a different angle of fictional characters being an item, due to AU stories; like DC and Marvel comics doing the same thing. These are true shippers who aren't picky and are curious on their intake for it. The other is some who's picky, narrow minded and basically bullies who are really just trolls, because it doesn't go by their vision and that they're right with their opinion. So what I'm saying is, #2 of these so called "shippers" of the latter is giving you their option of "either it's my way, of the highway". The latter are never true shippers then. Just online trolls. At least, that's what I've came to learn growing up.

@classical232

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

Not the fans leaving the whole series because their tumblr sexyman isn’t available. True losers indeed😭😭

@badmaidz

2 ай бұрын

This is why I miss when angel was the fan favorite 😭

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

@pickledlobsterrrrr I love Niffty, and we all know that her story is going to be fleshed out in season 2. My bet is that she's a lot more powerful than we think. But she's so cute that she doesn't lend well to shipping, a fact that I actually like. Alastor is technically unshippable, but he's so damn charming that people can't resist.

@AirGoddess1087

2 ай бұрын

Ohh! So this is why i noticed that more and more people are starting to dislike him! Makes sense now..

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

@pickledlobsterrrrr Well, we sure didn't expect her to kill Adam, either! Rumor has it that next season, some of the secondary characters' backstories will be explained! I see potential in Niffty. Alastor seems to enjoy her company over anyone else's, and even if he owns her soul, I bet she has some other hidden talents. He kind of treats her like a subordinate demon, but in a paternal way.

@mrscruffles801

2 ай бұрын

I mean like... canon doesn't really affect fanart, so it's dumb to complain about that. Then again I got jealous when Loona crushed on Tex so maybe I'm not one to talk lol

If alastor being Aro disappoints fans, and vivzie is keeping it a secret SO she doesn't disappoint her fans, then yes he is obviously aroace. she already gave us the answer by saying she doesn't want to disappoint us lmao.

@higurashikai09

Ай бұрын

Absolutely

@buttercxre

Ай бұрын

if being aromantic would disappoint “the fans” then they aren’t that great “fans”

@rosebreeze

Ай бұрын

@@buttercxre I KNOW. 💀

@pastelqueenwudel

13 күн бұрын

​@@buttercxre why? I think it's totally okay for fans to be disappointed because they may have fantasies about this character too (there is a huge readerinsert community). And I don't mean leaving the Fandom but just being sad. It's totally okay, you can't control feelings. I was sad too when a girl I liked said she wasn't bisexual or lesbian lol

@buttercxre

13 күн бұрын

@@pastelqueenwudel it just boils down to aphobia. if you leave a shows fandom because of a fictional character being aromantic, i think you have some bigger issues to address. also, being mad at canon for not being like your headcannons is just dumb. i know it sounds hostile, but you should just move on.

I would personally say that Alastor is definitely Aro Ace, specifically sex repulsed. His reactions to spicy stuff are always him being disgusted or simply refusing to be involved. But that's just me. ^-^

@mr.lilmeowmeow1261

29 күн бұрын

I agree to that. Honestly especially people who are asexual themselves can see very good that he's the repulsed kind of asexual very quickly. Based off to his wordings and reactions one can already guess that. And also the guess that he's aromantic. Especially since the lady said that he has an ace in the hole, as she saw him with a woman and made the joke, which was basically referring to the fact that he'd never date or do the deed with someone and that she knew he isn't the kind to be with someone in a romantic or sexual way otherwise she wouldn't say 'she's too young for you' and then dismissing it with 'i know nothings going on between the two of you because you're ace'.. it basically implies he's aromantic too. It's not that hard to figure out tbh

You hit the nail on the head when you said that this lack of confirmation is hurting aroace people who are already treated unfairly by people because of their sexuality. Why do we need to protect some whiny shippers who likely won't respect Al's sexuality?

@SavouryGalette

2 ай бұрын

Why do you need to harass shippers even after Vivienne confirmed MULTIPLE TIMES that it's okay to ship Alastor with anyone as long as it isn't illegal?

@brelonwy

2 ай бұрын

@@SavouryGalette I never said anything about harassing shippers. I'm talking about people who don't respect or acknowledge the fact that Alastor is ace at the least and likely aroace. But ace erasure is a thing and shippers getting up in arms and threathening to leave or worse, harassing aroace members because their fav tumblr sexyman won't be kissing anyone in the show is ridiculous. Ace, aro, and aroace people face enough backlash from the internet because of their lack of a desire for something. Don't contribute to that.

@SavouryGalette

2 ай бұрын

@@brelonwy How am I contributing to that? Please do elaborate, because I'm curious how some harmless fun (which is non-canon, mind you) contributes to erasing minorities. Now I already know how it contributes: It doesn't. But please, do try and explain how your viewpoint is valid.

@brelonwy

2 ай бұрын

@@SavouryGalette You can be a shipper, you can ship Alastor with whoever, that isn't the issue. The issue is when shippers and fans cry because he's not sexual or doesn't desire a romantic relationship. Threatening to leave the fandom is just immature but it's the shippers who try to act as though ace, aro, and aroace individuals are invalid that a problem arises. I never said you were contributing to that, I asked you not to contribute. To please be respectful to the character's sexuality.

@SavouryGalette

2 ай бұрын

@@brelonwy And guess what? Shipping him with other characters _doesn't disrespect his aroace identity._ Aroace people can *still* have romantic feelings, because it is a _spectrum._

I like to think that Alastor, due to his time, is not familiar with the spectrums of identity, as even in his time it was a taboo, and for him he simply "didn't find the ideal lady."

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

I think that his idea of an "ideal lady" was his mother. But for whatever reason, he is just not interested in sex or romance. Plus, remember, he was a prolific serial killer during his life, albeit he chose to kill people who were a danger to others, especially women. Kind of a tribute to deer old Mom (pun intended).

@ogberdking931

Ай бұрын

Some reason in this comment section

@ogberdking931

Ай бұрын

@@jacquelynbabush7735not you though

@jacquelynbabush7735

Ай бұрын

@@ogberdking931 ??????

@tsakura25

Ай бұрын

👍🏽😁

I like the fact Rosie said Alastor is "Ace in the Hole", which is her way of saying that Alastor is either Aroce or Asexual. But after hearing everything in this video about Alastor's History and other stuff about him really adds up. Also I prefer Mimzy as a friend to Alastor than a love interest for a few reasons.

@sg9099

2 ай бұрын

If Alastor were to be in a relationship, I'd rather ship him with Rosie

@LadyLeomon

2 ай бұрын

I caught that but the way she said it I have 2 ideas, either a) she figured out his sexuality before he did (practically guaranteed) or b) she knows her friend is an asshole and just found a polite way of saying it. Again I know it’s practically guaranteed to be the former but the _way_ she phrased it “I know you’re an ace in the hole” made me double-take because I heard “asshole” (I was too focused on Rosie’s speaking debut) 🤣🤣🤣

@giulf3der957

2 ай бұрын

​​​​@@LadyLeomonActually it might be both at the same time! Asexual+Asshole!👀 Also, she might know he's just using her as later she says: "stick with her, you'll be on the winning side"

@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982

2 ай бұрын

@@pickledlobsterrrrr Yeah, that's true. Mimzy just lets Alastor clean up her messes.😬

@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982

2 ай бұрын

@@sg9099 Me too.

i think he is aroace, as an aroace guy myself, i think people just don’t want to accept it bc it’ll fuck up their ships ..but when have canon orientations ever stopped a fandom 💀 it honestly doesn’t matter that much to me, but it’s still weird how everyone is so fine with every other canonically lgbtq+ character in this show but draw the line at a character being aro.

@olive9097

2 ай бұрын

He actually is!!! He was confirmed to be aroace by the creators in a livestream about two months ago :)

@popteamepicbest539

2 ай бұрын

@@olive9097that was a mistake he took the statement back because he was meant to only be aro not aroace

@Mag3.1415

2 ай бұрын

And they still ship people in perfectly healthy and secure relationships*cough* charlie *cough*.

@EduardDreamer

2 ай бұрын

Bro I'm not aro ace and I got multiple aro ace friends, they also got disappointed seeing fan reactions to Alastor, cause it was the first representation most of them had, and it was just ignored Although I myself say it's on ship what you wanna ship, I feel like alastor's orientation was more a disappointment to fans, than a fun fact, which says a lot.. I'm the biggest advocate for aroace representation, I want my friends to be happy man

@slaughtrrbeach

2 ай бұрын

Also aroace here. People accept it AND ship Ship what you wanna ship people!

As an ace person, I think that all this "shipper protection thingy" is bullshit. Aro ace people exist and they deserve their proper representation. And what if Alastor is Aro ace? It's not the end of the world! Shipping isn't always meant to be canon so you can still ship characters for fun in your own headcannon. But don't be rude and overdramatic cause of that! Please.

Guys it doesn't matter if you're first or not just focus on the video 💀

@Official_annie_the_icon

2 ай бұрын

Frrrrr

@Asherthepuplover

2 ай бұрын

Real

@Alasor_66614

2 ай бұрын

yeah

@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d

2 ай бұрын

4th (in the reply)

@Joboxd

2 ай бұрын

I was watching the vid and I saw no one commented yet and I was like all the things I can do so yeah I did

Remember! Aro/ace is a bit of a spectrum (but also it's own separate term), for example, im demisexual, which falls under the ace umbrella, so tags such as "non intimacy repulsed asexual Alastor" on fics could probably be fine, but also "intimacy repulsed Alastor" is also fine. From what ive seen online, a lot of aro/ace people use alastor as a example for their own interests in relationships or intimacy. A lot of aro/ace people online still like things such as queerplatonic relationships or something along those lines. I, myself have an aro/ace OC who'd probably have a queerplatonic relationship, but would take ages to warm up to it. (I am not very well versed on the full aro/ace community, so take this with some salt.) Aromantic people can be in relationships, and asexual people can have sex. People use Alastor as a way to figure this out sometimes. Any aro/ace, asexual, aromantic or people on the spectrum in the replies, please correct me if I'm wrong with anything, I hate to invalidate you guys.

@professorhal8098

2 ай бұрын

Moxxie’s dad: “Yeah! Gae!”

@blossomqueen4200

2 ай бұрын

AGREED

@theretrotelevision

2 ай бұрын

​@@JuicyPeachessss as a aroace person, yes it is a spectrum! Don't invalidate others.

@aoib890

2 ай бұрын

@@JuicyPeachessss sorry, mixed up terms, - they're two separate things. Just with the same names, I meant the aro/ace spectrum not the aroace term. Ill edit the comment now.

@capybaraandwatermelonenjoy8208

2 ай бұрын

you don't have to edit the comment yours was right@@aoib890

Personally I feel like you can ship Alastor and still be respectful. I’ve seen both Allo and AroAce people explore how Alastor could be attracted to others in very unique and interesting ways that are romantic, sexual, and queer-platonic. Asexuality is a big spectrum with a lot of nuances, and while in Alastor’s case he’s most likely a no sex, no romance ever kind of ace, that’s not always the case for real people who use the label. I like shipping Alastor but I don’t get how his canon sexuality upsets people so much. Ignoring it or acting like it’s a bad thing that he’s AroAce seems more disrespectful than the shipping, imo. I hope that’s it’s confirmed in the future that he’s aromantic, people who are so worked up about it are asses.

@LivingEncyclopedia

2 ай бұрын

This! It’s been so much fun to think about all the different levels of attraction and ways that he might end up in and experience a relationship while still being aroace. It’s actually helped me a lot with coming to terms with my own sexuality and romantic attraction. I find the idea of being alone terrifying, so seeing examples of people with different levels of attraction finding relationship dynamics that work for them has been an unexpected comfort.

@beans6318

2 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@LivingEncyclopediayo same

Being aroace myself I find this debate so funny. Alastor could be so many things and it wouldn't be relevant to the plot of the original story or most fanfics, since there are several identities within the spectrum of asexuality and aromanticism. It is YOUR take on it what makes it unique. And being aro or ace is not a unique experience per-se. I would encourage fans to explore the many possibilities of aro and/or ace experiences with this character. The main point of making fanart and fanfics is to have fun with your creativity and exploring fantasies and identities you wouldn't (yet or ever) explore in real life. I don't know how most of the fandom sees their own sexual identity, but first of all not everyone have their sexuality figured out; so they can be one thing and behave differently, especially when you don't even know there's a name and shared experiences for what you are. And secondly, sexual identity (as well as something entirely different that not everyone experiences the same way called romantic identity) depends more of who you feel attracted to and how intense that attraction is, and has almost nothing to do with your sexual (or romantic) behaviour since most of the time there is some societal pressure to behave a way that doesn't necessarily match your sexual and or romantic identity.

@MaliceAttention

2 ай бұрын

...This last part could very well be Alastor's case. Since canonically he hasn't heard the term Ace up until that particular "ace in the hole" scene, he could very well be oblivious to his own sexual identity as well as to his romantic identity. Let's be honest. Most of us didn't even know they were separate identities. So I still believe most fanfics and fan-made stories/backstories can still be cannon even with a sexualised Alastor. Remember people that not all ace people feel 100% asexual all the time. There's a reason why it is a spectrum. Same thing with being aro.

@mythic_snake

2 ай бұрын

I think the problem comes from people who have a very rudimentary and misguided understanding of what asexuality and aromanticism is, and then go on a crusade to defend something they don't fully grasp. I'm sure they're all well-meaning, but it's not helping. I feel like Angel Dust when Charlie said she was just trying to help. "Well... you AIN'T"

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@mythic_snake Yeah, Alastor could be demiromantic, grayromantic, cupioromantic, aroflux, or any number of arospec identities that can experience attraction either under specific circumstances or infrequently, and those interpretations of him are not less valid than the strict "romance-repulsed aro" interpretation that people are upholding. Regardless of anything, I don't think people should be harassed for shipping Alastor even if it is portrayed romantically; it's just for fun and personal expression.

@mythic_snake

2 ай бұрын

@@AuraleafStorm Totally agree. It's a fictional character that people enjoy reimagining in different ways. The harassing on both sides is senseless. As an ace myself, I enjoy the ship art even though I don't see him really being in these ships canonically. It's all in good fun, and it certainly doesn't erase my identity. It's when people imply that my identity is not valid or real because I don't fit into their narrow definition of asexuality... that's what I have a problem with.

@kitz4katz

2 ай бұрын

as a fellow aroace its so interesting to read people arguing about it. like who the fuck cares other than you guys? its pathetic

I KEEP THINKING THIS IS A HELLUVA BOSS UPDATE 😭😭

@baglesscat4411

2 ай бұрын

Same! I want the full moon to come out soooo bad

@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d

2 ай бұрын

@@baglesscat4411 next month 🤞

@Anime_Oni

Ай бұрын

4th comment

Its worth remembering that Viv said that he's not actually aware of his sexuality yet, and just thinks he hasn't found the one. So everyone fighting over and making a bit deal out of what his sexuality is or isn't really gives off the same vibes as a group that confidently debates that one friends sexuality before they're even interested in pursuing those answers for themselves. Which, even though Alastor is a fiction character, is a really uncomfortable position to witness. Especially since I'm sure a lot of Aro and/or ace people have to deal with these kinds of situations when they're young and the people around them start getting interested in things that they cannot relate to. So, seeing this situation projected onto the character meant to represent the group who falls victim to this situation is a very unpleasantly ironic. Or unpleasantly accurate rather? Edit: it also feels like people trying to force their opinions of sexuality onto someone, like Alastor HAS to be x, if he isn't bothered about defining his sexuality, why should anyone else be bothered with defining it? Isnt the biggest struggle nonstraight people have is other people getting aggressive about wanting them to confirm to a specific idea of who they're supposed to be? Just let him be as he is, and let other people explore and see themselves in him however helps them understand themselves better.

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you completely.

@melmascarell

2 ай бұрын

I agree this, but wouldn't this analogy also apply to heteronormativity/debating over whether one friend is gay and any headcanon ship? Assuming one's sexuality is always wrong, but as viewers I think we're allowed to do these things because it's character analysis, and analysis of fiction is very important and a part of media literacy which, surprise, this show has had problems with too.

@industrialgoose4756

2 ай бұрын

@@melmascarell I feel debating over one friend being gay before they've come out/figured it out themselves is included and disrespectful personally. Its one thing to ask/consider to their face, but to make a thing out of it, be persistent or debate it without them present feels really shitty to me. But that's in respect to actual people, still that discomfort spills over a bit for me personally when people are getting vindictive and hateful towards eachother over a characters sexuality that canonically doesn't know their sexuality. Honestly, I just don't feel like people should ever be getting hateful over a characters sexuality regardless of the issue. Having head cannons doesn't hurt anyone, people should be allowed to enjoy fiction under any perspective they want, whether its totally accurate or completely out of left field, fictions is an escape, and people shouldnt be shamed or berated for the way they consume/interact with that fiction. Debating character analysis is totally dandy, the only reason it really gives me the ick here is how forceful people are being, along with how that mimics situations the group being considered fall victim to. When it goes as far as sending death threats to people it just doesn't inspire a feeling of acceptance for anyone. So I guess I'd say it all comes down to respect.

I personally think they backpeddled on the 'aro' part so hard because there is going to be something revealed in season 2. Because it came right around the time when VA work on s2 started. Since we are bound to get some more backstory, I have a feeling they needed to reign in the chaos before it spread further. I don't think this was to protect shippers or any whiny people on twitter. So unless stated otherwise by the show, Alastor is asexual. Whatever flavor of ace you want him as is dependant on whatever YOU want.

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

What chaos? Whiny shippers? And actually, it depends on what the creator (Viv) wants, and she just can't seem to commit. I think that this just confuses fans, particularly younger ones who do not understand the definition of aroace.

@Daemonworks

2 ай бұрын

It's not that she can't commit, near as I can tell she's been pretty consistent on "I have no plan to answer that question, either in an interview or in the work itself", at least since the thing solidified into an actual production. She's made pretty clear is that she wants people to stop trying to get a definitive answer to the question, because it's not going to be made clear in the show itself. She /wants/ people to feel free to interpret that aspect of the character however they choose to. And for the folks who get way too invested in ships an whatnot and go postal on each over over them to chill out and grow the fuck up.

@DrDeadsy42

2 ай бұрын

This. My theory is that whatever entity Alastor got his initial powers from about 100 years ago (because I believe he got them through dark magic when he was still alive), might also be his „love“ interest. Not in a regular romantic, least of all healthy way, but in the twisted way you could expect from Alastor. A bit like with that chaos goddess that was mentioned in the video. Whether this entity turns out to be Roo or Eve, or if they are both the same, I cannot tell. I just think this chaotic entity is the reason why Sera is so desperate to keep up the status quo, which may not be fair, but it upholds the strict order and separation between „good“ and „bad“.

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

I think that Alastor's true love interest is Alastor. "Who has time for anyone else?"

@justanotherweirdo11

2 ай бұрын

@@jacquelynbabush7735 I think she already committed. All of her answers suggest she knows whether he's romantic or not she just won't say.

My partner of nearly twenty years now is AroAce, and I'm on both spectrums too, QPRs exist. Shipping should be about relationship dynamics, not just banging.

The issue is that it isn't really canon until Viv either publicly confirms it, or it's canonized within the show itself. I think it seems more like she intentionally chose to leave it up for interpretation because at this point any answer fuels the discourse; if he's aroace people are mad, if he's just ace people are mad. The harassment actually goes both ways; shippers are also getting bullied and told that they're not allowed to ship Alastor even if they're staying in their lane and not bothering anybody or demanding that their ship becomes canon. Viv has liked Alastor ship art on Twitter before, even romantic ship art, so she clearly has no problem with the shippers doing whatever even if it's never going to be reflected by the canon. Canonically, Alastor seems to have zero interest in romance, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is aromantic, and it doesn't mean that he isn't. His orientation just isn't very important to the story. Conversely, there are also microlabels within the arospec community like demiromantic or grayromantic that deserve representation too, and those interpretations of Alastor are equally valid, so people fighting about shipping is doubly silly and pointless. Canonically, Alastor is ace. His romantic orientation may be confirmed in the future, or it may not be, and that's fine. But it isn't confirmed right now, and I think it's important for people to acknowledge that, because championing a character as aro representation when the character's orientation hasn't actually been confirmed anywhere is a dangerous game.

@pillowswifeandgirlfriend

2 ай бұрын

I personally hate alastor ships, as an asexual, it feels very invalidating for people to do stuff like this to the little bit of representation that our small community gets, i honestly just dni with any alastor ship content. (Especially fucking chalastor) us ace folks lose valuable rep because shippers are bitchy?? It sucks.

@equiyazahhak2704

2 ай бұрын

​​@@pillowswifeandgirlfriend Its just ships, its just art, its not real nor is it in the canon, it shouldn't make you feel invalidated. You still have your ace rep, fan creations isn't going to take it away from you. Stop getting butt hurt over nothing, its part of the reason why Viv keeps quiet about his sexuality.

@DrDeadsy42

2 ай бұрын

@@equiyazahhak2704 So, you‘d also defend people who turn Angel straight, because they think gay stuff is weird, and he just needs to find the right girl?

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@DrDeadsy42 Shipping isn't created to promote an agenda. People ship for personal artistic expression, or to explore aspects of themselves or their own sexualities vicariously through fictional characters that they like or have a connection with. It doesn't exist to put other people down or to invalidate different sexualities. Trying to police what other people do in fandom spaces - especially over something as innocuous as shipping - is a horrible mindset to have. So long as shippers are not insisting that their ships need to become canon, they're being far less intrusive than you are for telling them they're not allowed to draw or write something. Nothing shippers ever do will ever invalidate canon representation. ...That's not even touching on the fact that there are many aspec microlabels that don't all present the same way; demisexual, graysexual, and aroflux, for example, are microlabels that are no less worthy of representation or exploration, and those interpretations of Alastor are not less valid. It's never been stated anywhere that Al is romance-repulsed, so if that's your reason for telling people that their interpretations are wrong for lying outside of that, then you're just harassing people over your own personal headcanon. Canonically, Alastor seems to have zero interest in romance, but that itself is not indicative of orientation, and certainly not confirmation of repulsion. Don't accuse people of being homophobic over shipping, that's extremely uncalled for.

@PowerPunk31590

2 ай бұрын

@@pillowswifeandgirlfriend yeah I hate Charlie x Alastor it feels so wrong one she in a cannon relationship with someone and two they don't have that diamic it's more fatherly or mentor type relationship going on from what I seen I could be wrong though... But saying that love the Lucifer x Alastor ship not sure why just seems innocent and cute

i think it's rather telling that amir referred to alastor as aroace multiple times directly in front of viv, and she never once corrected him. in my mind, he's canonically aroace, but i don't see a problem with shipping him as long as people are respectful

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

Correcting him during the livestream would have been unprofessional and would have made them both look bad. Considering he retracted it on Twitter after the fact, she may have corrected him at some point after the livestream. The answer she gave when she was asked directly about it herself was essentially "I don't want to answer" which basically means "I'll leave it up to interpretation." If she wants to give a more direct answer instead of keeping it vague, she can do that at any point.

I’m gonna be completley honest, I kinda think this show has some bigger mysteries.

@olive9097

2 ай бұрын

No fr 😭 it’s not even a mystery, he’s canonically aroace. People are just mad cause it makes their ships more problematic lol

@whywouldyoudothat1346

2 ай бұрын

My brothers opinion on the situation was: “People are starving and y’all are debating a fictional character’s sexuality.” 💀

I also personally headcanon that while he's entirely asexual, Alaster isn't ENTIRELY aromantic, but does have a slight aversion to it. I'd like to think he's the kinda' guy to just not look for anyone, but if he finds the right kind of person (whoever the heck THAT might be), he just might give it a try. But yeah, hating people just cause they wanna ship someone is cringe bruh

@pocketfan2524

2 ай бұрын

We think exactly alike. You sir are a good man.

@theunfortunatewonderer5018

2 ай бұрын

@@pocketfan2524 Hell yeah, nice to see someone agree.

@Anna-hy4sb

2 ай бұрын

Yeah Same,I Headcanon Him As Biromantic And Greyromantic

Thank you for this. I'm glad we finally have some more aroace rep, it's been a while, and Alastor is one of the personal favorites of mine. Also, Vox having a crush on Alastor and Alastor rejecting him is so funny- If that becomes canon someday, I'm gonna laugh super hard

*Honestly, they just have to turn it into a running joke and fandom will go along with it.* Alastor confessing his love for tasty jambalaya, comfy bed, catchy song... in other words, make him show feelings towards anything but a living being. Everytime it seems like he is about to reveal his feelings, it turns into a goddamn commercial of sort. Something like this: "Charlie, I love... I love lavender shampoo! It makes your hair soft, smooth and beautiful! Try it and thank me later". That'll do. Trust me :D

@bigjok3929

Ай бұрын

Camera points at Alastor. He supports his head with hand, eyes looking in adoration as he says: "You look beautiful today, my love". Camera changes into Alastor's POV(point of view) and we see freshly cooked Jambalaya.

@Jay-bq1dq

Ай бұрын

@@bigjok3929 THAT.

You can ship anyone you want in the damn show

@SpookyAngie

2 ай бұрын

I agree

@popteamepicbest539

2 ай бұрын

@@SpookyAngieI also agree

@pie1o1morris46

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@adams_sl0ppycumd1ldo

2 ай бұрын

minus angel and valentino but other than that agree :D

@blossomqueen4200

2 ай бұрын

@@adams_sl0ppycumd1ldo that I can agree with

I see this as he is aroace, if he wasn't viv would've just simply said "no" when she first was given the question.

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

She could have also just said yes, but she didn't. It was more like a non-answer, so me that sounds like "I'm leaving it up to interpretation."

@anokartist2352

2 ай бұрын

@@AuraleafStorm she gave a reason why she wouldn't answer "I don't want to ruin shippers' fun" which implies that the answer would ruin it

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@anokartist2352 Maybe, but refusing to confirm something is the opposite of canonizing it, lmao. If she wants to be more direct about it, she can be, at any time. But until she gives a more direct answer, the only answer given is a non-answer. I don't think choosing to leave it up for interpretation is a wrong choice per se, but the confusion about it that's formed over the years has caused a lot of discourse.

@anokartist2352

2 ай бұрын

@@AuraleafStorm I never said it was Canon, I used it as evidence.

Me (new fan) trying to understand hazbin hotel lore: "what? When was thst confirmed" Random person: "Livestream" Refuses to elaborate

@Stolasupremecy

2 ай бұрын

💀

Heeey guys, just a note: - The ARO (aromantic, for people who don't feel romantic atracction) flag is black, gray, withe and green 🖤💚 - the ACE (assexual, for people who don't feel sexual atracction) flag, is just the same but purple instead off green 💜🖤 - This flag yellow, orange, withe and blues, is the AROACE flag, for people who don't feel atracction off any kind 🧡💛💙

Thank you for making a well researched and respectful video about it I myself are aromantic (but not asexuell) und read him as aro. It hurts to know, that the feelings of some extreme shippers are more important for her, than the aromantic community. We have nearly no representation and are always put aside because of shipping To engage with fandoms is most of the times just exhausting for me, because of the big and/or loud shipping community So I appreciate this video but also your other videos about theorys etc

Will say as an aroace the "don't wanna spoil anybody's fun" comment made me cringe. Would love to have a creator not treat my sexuality as a buzzkill. Currently writing my own Canon aroace book character and making it as blatant as possible that they will never be interested, cuz I never get to see that rep cuz it's always about making characters still be available. In the real world not everyone will want to date or have sex with you and folks need to get over that and start looking at people as equal human beings. Non-straight folks need to learn that just as much as straight people.

@RhysezPieces

2 ай бұрын

I hear plenty of of gay folk make similar comments while being upset when straight folks say a character coming out as gay kills their straight ships. Congrats its the same invalidatiom hat y'all wear.

@whywouldyoudothat1346

2 ай бұрын

As far as I know, no one’s gonna put a gun to your head and force you to delete your fanfiction if a character’s canon sexuality goes against your ship.

Honestly if people leave the fandom over a characters sexuality or gender identity you don't want them in it anyway

@whywouldyoudothat1346

2 ай бұрын

“If they confirm he’s aroace, I’m leaving the fandom!” “Good we don’t want you here”

@camilacastillo7855

14 күн бұрын

​@@whywouldyoudothat1346 Exactly, i'm aro/Ace miself Fuck them aro ace phobic fangirls who will drop an entire show in the drop of a hat just because Their Tumblr sexy man don't want to fuck them or because Their ship cant be anymore. Also I consider shiping aromantic aces generaly aro/ace phobic But the internet only cares about porn and shiping so it makes sense the internet would try to queer irase us. What matters is that there is real life people who love the character and are willing to respect it and its orientacion the way it is, and real aro/aces who are happy they are being represented

Hi there! I know this is a bit off topic but I had a couple possible theories. One about alastor is when rosie saids “I know your an ace in the hole” that is also term used as if something along the lines of “keeping something with you to use at your benefit for when necessary.” Another theory i had was, as we know in hell on their phones some apps have different names, while yelp is still called yelp. In songs such as loser baby, and hells greatest dad, they talk about having their reviews. I was curious on your perspective. Thank you!

@phoolish4242

2 ай бұрын

How tf did you type this so fast??

With all the evidence you’ve shown me I’ve come to agree that he’s also possibly Aromantic, I also think the other shippers are complete losers who spend way too much time focusing on ship wars, I enjoy imagining Alastor in a relationship because of the what-if scenarios and how he’d act and such, and I agree that people on twitter are being way too melodramatic, you’re meant to have fun in a fandom and taking that away from anyone is just plain pointless

@olive9097

2 ай бұрын

I just wanna clarify he’s not “possibly” aromantic, he is *confirmed* to be aromantic. CANONICALLY. It was in a livestream about two months ago

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@olive9097 This video addressed the fact that while Alastor was called aroace in the livestream you're referring to by his voice actor, Amir Talai, he later retracted it on Twitter because, as he put it, the script itself only mentioned Al being ace, not aroace, and he just confused the terms during the livestream.

@miraculerlukanette8202

2 ай бұрын

@@olive9097 have you even watched the video ?

I sort of wonder if Vivienne was avoiding announcing Alastor as aro ace because she was worried about even more people harassing others over shipping? People got so intense over shipping when he was just ace, and lots of ace people still want companionship, so it could have just been an effort to try to prevent even more fighting. Yeah, people will fight no matter what you do, but that doesn't mean you want to give them MORE reasons to be shitty to each other. Though now that I think of it, he's such an old, beloved character for her, that maybe she just wants to give herself room to change her mind someday without fans descending on her, or because we find something out later like he's had past relationships, but rarely wants the companionship, and considering how crazy fans can get over stuff, she doesn't want to deal with being called a liar by people who can't understand that being aro, ace, or both doesn't mean being romantically/sexually repulsed for everyone. TL;DR fandoms can freak out over anything, and maybe she just doesn't want to feed the trolls?

I saw in a *fan made* comic that if Al wasn't asexual, he will be a creep towards Charlie to make a deal with her.

@jollipop09

2 ай бұрын

Ohhh….

@olive9097

2 ай бұрын

Tbh I could easily see him doing this just as a manipulation tactic, aroace or not. Not experiencing sexual or romantic attraction would probably make it a lot easier to actually manipulate people like that cause there’s no risk of you catching feelings lol

@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d

2 ай бұрын

ok, so in other words, if Alastor wasn't asexual he would be Valentino. lmao

@popteamepicbest539

2 ай бұрын

That’s already what he does

@pie1o1morris46

2 ай бұрын

​@@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d I kinda doubt he would be as bad as Val (when it comes to s**ual morality I mean)

The thing that just makes me so confused about the fact that Alastor is AroAce is that I’m a flavor of Ace (demi) and ( _probably_ ) a flavor of Aro (but one considered “normal” (like demi-het romantic, or demi-bi romantic I just am at the point where people annoy me too much to fuss with it, anymore and don’t care to announce it anymore. If I like-like someone which happens rarely, then it happens, “wooo, yay” /s) and I’ve been in the ace and aro communities for literally over a decade. What is the _one_ thing AroAce (or just full Aro ((and some Ace but it’s more rare))) people are upset about? Being seen as emotional psychopaths who are violent and dangerous who, in an allos^xual aromantic person’s case they often get bullied, discriminated against by friends, and their own community (usually being accused of being neckbeards). AroAces are also seen this way to the wider world since so much of all different cultures depends on romantic partnerships to continue the species since things like arranged marriages have dropped out of favor in many cultures. Yet I watched the Aro community implode wanting Alastor to be Aro for “good representation” which makes me think they know exactly zip about him. If he were demi/demi (so most likely like myself) I would just let him be and not to touting him as good media representation. Because he’s _not_ . I write him, currently, as demi/demi in my own fic I never plan on publishing because it’s how I interpret someone who has a super low drive (that does exist) and connects that super low drive with the deep friendship. Heck the way I tend to have him think it is that he doesn’t understand romantic love, or why someone wound get involved, but if this ‘love’ thing people talk about is ‘giving an eff about another person and wanting to keep them close and safe, and occasionally desiring them’ then he gets it. I doubt that’s how most people actually define love. But it works for him. But, my original point of “don’t make the s^r^^l k^ll3r and c^nn1b@l the beacon of representation of your community because it’s going to make your community look _terrible_ still stands.” Heck, even involved with someone (not that just having a [apparent heterosexual] relationship gives someone a pass, but we are talking boomer generation here so it goes a long way) I have had to bend Alastor’s motivations for why he did what he did in Louisiana, into knots. My original HC was simply “the gods he worked for that gave him magic-be them actual Loa on the dark magic side, or evil gods acting as the Loa and pretending to be them to make him a vassal-forced him into the c^nn^b@l1sm taboo by threat of getting rid of his mother. And to avoid that, and because he was always swooping in to stop men worse than he was who were hurting ‘those of the fairer means’ he became a vigilante of sorts. Sure, he was kind of nuts, and got a thrill out of it, but in the end his code was rather strict.” That was my HC. Explaining Alastor’s actions with him being AroAce and without him being a vigilante, just him having some obsessive code he followed, even if the same threat to his mother was still there, _my_ mother has ignored the good he’s done vigilante title or not, and thinks of him as a psychopath/sociopath because A) he gets a kind of thrill out of it, and B) he’s actively out about being AroAce both in H311 and in the past because he just misses the boat that what he thinks isn’t what everyone else thinks. And I don’t want her worrying about _me_ because I love the character and demisexuals can take _ages_ to develop friendships that become romantic. And there are a lot of a-phobes out there who take someone who Bi-demiromantic/bi-romantic, or, “worse” het-demiromantic/het-romantic and say “you’re just normal.” No, Susan, it’s not really normal to take four years of deep friendship to develop physical and emotional feelings for someone. Kindly leave because you do not understand how this works. And if it _does_ take you two+ years to develop physical and romantic attraction, and deep friendship along with it, A) look into any trauma, and B) welcome to the club.

Biggest mystery? Is literal the most insignificant mystery in Hazbin Hotel. In Alastor is ace, gay, straight or bi is irrelevant in his story. But is hazbin hotel and for its fandom, a character’a sexuality is apparently something that changes all his story.

I dont really understand shipper culture if people want to ship alastor I dont see a problem as long as they understand he wont end up in that relationship ever. I personally dont do any shipping outside actual love triangle stuff where I will usually decide who I think would be the best pair if they choose to be a pair.

Something that people might not consider however is the possibility for queer platonic relationships with Alastor. In a nutshell, the relationship in itself isn’t romantic in nature but can be similar to one that is. I think working with that idea could shine light on this kind of real and maybe even encourage representation :D

Please cover how alastor owns and is able to play a furby organ (THE INSTRUMENT)

I found you on KZread shorts and decided to watch your long form videos and I must say you’re content is very upfront and doesn’t waste time. it’s not often you find a shorts creator making content like this, so well done!

I'm AroAce and I'm really happy that there's an real AroAce character in one of my favourite series. Nevertheless I'm cool with the people who want to ship our favourite radio demon. It's art, it's fun, just have fun, guys... I tolerate the shipping art but please also tolerate it when people like me just see him as an Ace in the hole 😌

When I first saw the pilot I liked the idea of Niffty having a one-sided crush on Alastor. Furthemore, after episode two I also love the idea of the reason why Vox hates him so much is because he has the hots for him and got rejected. As an AroAce myself, I am all for Alastor being one as well. My favorite character in the show also being a representation of my own identity brings me such joy.

Personally I think he's ace and he only like romance he seems like the kinda guy who'd put flowers on your door step and giving you a kiss on the forehead goodnight. As far as anything else I don't really see it. I think he's just focused on himself and his goals so he puts off any relationship in anyway.

8:20 man really told us to dislike it, no way in hell this was such a good vid. Very informative and also surprisingly funny. Love your stuff man, keep it up!

The only Alastor ship I can get behind is Alastor and Rosie, but that's only if it's platonic. I get frustrated when people ship Alastor with characters romanically or even sexually. Aroace characters in media are quite rare, and when they are added. Most of them fall into a stereotype that the character is broken, and that's why they can't love. Alastor has truama, but it's not why he doesn’t feel romantic and sexual attraction. He thought he just needed to find the right one, but the right one doesn’t exist.

@hazelnethalen

2 ай бұрын

Mm- alot of people are like “i just want think it would be fun to see how the dynamic is!” But like, that doesn’t have to be romantic or s🌀xual- QPRs and platonic relationships exist and i think its a better way of exploring the dynamic, because whats the point in it just being for fun and exploring if its basically just OOC? I think its valid for (some) aroace people (including me) to be atleast a bit hurt/upset, ur taking one of the few character that represents us and shows that not everything has to be romantic or s🌀xual and then bringing that topic/thing back in almost getting rid of the point- ofc alot of people say that “its a spectrum” (which it is) or some other thing but that just feels like an excuse instead of a genuine interest of exploring aspec identities Sorry for the rant just,, yk

I feel he is Aro Ace, I agree with all your points! Honestly I feel it's better to just state the facts early and ahead of time. Fans can be toxic and it's better to set the record straight then have people fight with each other and perhaps still end up leaving bad tastes in their mouths and loose them as fans. You can't win. All you can do is minimize damage by setting the record straight. The internet is just a drama machine that gives the most attention to the loudest voices. Doesn't mean their the majority.

7:39 thank u king for the video. Adding this timestamp bc I think the fandom would benefit greatly from shutting up and listening to aroace people saying they want rep for once

Thank you. I do agree I have seen a lot on this topic, but more in passing. It was nice to get a more thorough dive into it.

I wish Viv would just say he's aro like how she is willing to say he's ace. Cause the way she's like "hmm I dunno" just makes me confused. Either way, I'm taking her response to mean it will be explored further later in the show. And I do think it's implied that he's aro with the official Valentine's day cards. It's just if he is aro what was with the question dodging? And maybe he'll be aro-spec who knows.

I for one think it’s hilarious the long awaited and loved ship of RadioDust gets debunked and trashed in the opening minutes of episode 1. 😂

@AFnEFHdfATower-wx6kb

2 ай бұрын

oriole probably only liked it because of that one line angel dust said in the pilot

@badmaidz

2 ай бұрын

Don’t do me like that 😭😭😭

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! 😂

@Li-oz1ux

2 ай бұрын

Shiiittt 😂 The charlastor shipppers we’re done dirty too bc alastor in no way ha he ever bonded with Charlie as a daughter. It don’t make sense at all. Yet episode 5 he started sing about being a father figure. I know it was all bs bc he has a nasty smirk in his face but other ppl especially the ones that like radioapple and the two dad thing really hate charlastor shippers. The whole fandom ship, creator , team is on a mission to sink charlastor and the have succeeded. The charlastor shippers don’t deserve to get harassed their a lot of toxicity in the fandom but ppl want to hate on it bc it’s a m/f ship. Bruh

@AFnEFHdfATower-wx6kb

2 ай бұрын

@@Li-oz1ux Alastor never bonded with Charlie as a daughter he was simply saying those stuff to piss off lucifer

So happy that we get ace representation with Alastor! ❤ You don't see to much ace characters in media, so we can be happy that Hazbin Hotel steps in! Alastor is our ace in the hole 😂

Thank you for doing the research man! Respect!

Him being aro and ace did come up in the post finale q&a livestream. Viv didn’t deny that he was both. Alastor being aro/ace might become relevant plot wise in the second season so they might be withholding that bit of info so as not to spoil anything. But I personally would appreciate it if Viv was upfront with his orientation. All the other characters have a proper cannon orientation that’s not up for debate except for the ace character. It’s honestly very insulting for her to be so dodgy about it. If he has a romantic orientation she should just say it. She needs to stop tiptoeing around the fandom.

7:50 thank you for saying that! The idea that we dont have proper representation in media just bc "i dont want drama over ships" is plain insulting to be honest. Even if hes confirmed aro people will ship him the same as now and people are already talking about how he shouldnt be shipped bc hes aroace. This just creates one more argument of "is he aro or not", honestly confiming it would only be beneficial for the "drama". "I wont say hes aro (even though he is) so people can have fun" what a joke

Honestly I agree just say he's aroace and be done with it, yeah it'll annoy some people but will that really stop them from shipping him with people? Hell no, so why withhold the information

Before I watch this video, I want ask. Why does it matter? Alastor is a fictional character, who is stated, rather casually, to be an "Ace in the hole." Ever since that episode aired, I've seen people complaining and arguing over this topic. I'm not criticizing the video, as I haven't watched it yet, but to me, it looks like another case of "Some people can't distinguish fantasy from reality." Again, I'm not complaining about the video or any comment on it. This video could be for fun, and that's totally ok! However, my question still stands. TLDR: Why does it matter if Al is Ace or not? When in the show, it doesn't change anything about the narrative.

@tristanfarmer9031

2 ай бұрын

Watched the video and it seems I am agreed with. Feel free to answer my question as to why you think it matters if anyone wants to.

@ilikejuce

2 ай бұрын

It stems from representation. Most people like to have a fictional character to relate too. Considering the fact that it is a discussion on a character that could be/is Aroace, people tend to get a bit heated over it. The Aroace's want representation and the shippers don't want to accept that their ships may not be cannon. I understand your take on and it's a completely reasonable opinion. But it all stems from the lack of Aroace rep. Almost every other orientation gets something and the aces get almost nothing. Hope this answers the question :).

@tristanfarmer9031

2 ай бұрын

@@ilikejuce That makes sense, considering the audience Hazbin has attracted. There has been a trend for content where whatever that media is HAS to make everyone happy. And I figured that might be what's going on here. But I think I understand the situation here. Thank you for letting me know what's up without bashing me. I don't think it would be a surprise if I said I rarely get genuine answers to these questions I ask.

@nv3363

2 ай бұрын

@@ilikejuceI personally feel like if she just said he was gray asexual and gray aromantic it would fix the entire problem. Cause then the shippers can keep shipping and aroace people will still get their representation in the show.

@ilikejuce

Ай бұрын

​@@tristanfarmer9031Happy to help :). It wouldn't be fair of me to bash you when you simply had a question. Personally, I think everyone can have their own opinions and head canons so long as we respect and understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinion. We shouldnt be getting riled up just because someone doesn't agree with us. I agree with you in the regard that people shouldn't be fighting over a fictional character's sexual orientation but I also think that if a character is Aroace, the creator should just say so. Why protect shippers when they won't care and won't stop anyways.

As a member of the aroace community: we’ve already adopted Alastor as our representative. Alastor being aroace also makes sense when you look at another comment that I think Viv said, something along the lines of “…he[Alastor] thinks he hasn’t found the right one yet.” This was in regards to his being asexual, but it could go deeper as this is something a lot of us believe before we realize we’re aromantic.

@psychotophatcat

2 ай бұрын

I understand why you'd want to have representation, but as a fellow aroace, I'm personally not going to claim a character who isn't confirmed to be such. I've had people genuinely give me a hard time about it, like I'm in denial or something, but no. I'm happy enough that he's ace! Until further notice, though, I'm not going to give anyone the credit for an aroace character whose aromanticism isn't canon. That's just me though 🤷

@sweetbnuy

2 ай бұрын

​@@psychotophatcat Based

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

I dunno if a serial killer cannibal demon is the representation you want in the first place X) especially because the series creator has never confirmed whether or not he's actually aro.

I find it hilarious that when people say he’s aro ace (Straight up just aro ace with no twists) they try to beat around the bush and say some aro ace people on the spectrum can feel attraction or sexual attraction. They stretch it so much but, then he’d have a difference label, like Gray asexual. There’s nothing wrong with that but that’s not what he is and it’s just an excuse to ignore his canon sexuality. They don’t specify what kind they straight up just say Aro ace.

@christinewhoyt

15 күн бұрын

It's a spectrum! greysexual is under the ace/aro spectrum! I'm not aroromantic myself but I think I might be aceflux has sometimes I am completely repulsed to the idea of even having sex.

Thank you for making this video! I have seen many comments under Alastor fanarts that were really arophobic and it just makes me sad :( As a fellow Ace I know how much society wants people to be sexual or romantic to a special person, but some of us just feel different. Not everyone enjoys this kind of intimacy and that is okay 💜

Congratulations on making that many subscribers and I totally agree with you. Shipping is supposed to be about fun and making theories everybody judging and hating just because you want to ship one character with another.

I personally think Alastor is Asexual or Acesexual, but not Aroace. This is mainly because Alastor is shown to reject a lot of sexual advances, but he also never has had a scene where someone made a genuinely romantic advance. I also don’t believe that Amir recanted his previous statement because of the fans, and that he also just misspoke during the panel. In either case, it’s perfectly fine for people to theorize that Alastor may get with someone or not or have a head canon ship. After all, Asexual people can still have sexual relationships, and Aroace people can still have romantic relationships. Don’t know how that makes any sense, but I wasn’t the one who said it originally. I also, you know, don’t care.

I love huskerdust and radioapple Bite me :)

@Stolasupremecy

2 ай бұрын

Okay😏 /lh

Honestly I don't understand Viv at all because she can admit al is aroace, and shippers can still do what they want because aroace people can date. Taking away his aromantic or hiding I should say doesn't make any sense.

@pokemonlover4894

2 ай бұрын

Its sadly very common that creators of shows refuse to make a charater aroace for example did you know that jughead from riverdale is aroace in the archie comics that was made way before riverdale

I will say, that i dont think it should be something that is assumed, no matter how you interpret the conversations. Ultimately the decision is Vivians decision, and just as you said in the video about her feeling pressured to confirm him being Aro, i dont think she should be pressured from people on either side in general, to make the choice on wether or not Alastor wants to date or not. This is her creation. And i can see either side rioting like a bunch of crazies over this. If hes simply Ace, people will cry about the lack or representation. If hes AroAce, people will cry about him not being able to ever be with anyone. I think more than anything, she is simply afraid of the reactions she will get in general, if she confirms or doesn't confirm the Aro part. Considering the fact that Vivian herself had ships for Alastor, i wouldn't be surprised if she ends up changing her mind for some other ship later down the line. And if she does make the choice to make hime aroace later on and for certain confirms it, so be it. I will still love Alastors character either way, and i will still love the show. I think everyone should just respect whatever decision Vivian makes with HER characters and HER story, but thats not going to happen, because you cant make everyone happy.

as an ace person, this video is 100% the correct take. ppl need to chill out, just let us enjoy our crumb of representation in peace what the hell

15 seconds ago. The first video I caught that was posted this early.

This was literally perfect, thank you Ayy 🫡 - An AroAce fan 💜

In my opinion, unless the show does something to out right confirm a persons sexuality, and I mean properly such as an "I love you, more than anything" sort of line, nothing is confirmed nor denied regardless of whatever a creator says on twitter because things can easily change from a twitter announcement to what we see in the show, like with many things.

alastor is definitely aroace and i always feel kinda weird when i see people shipping him unless it's a character having a one-sided crush on him (no hate to people who do as long as they're chill about it this is just my feelings), but i do also kinda wanna see a character who's ace but still interested in romance (like me!!!), i crave more romantic relationships in the hellaverse that aren't sexual

Okay, okay as a sex/romance averse AroAce, I really don’t care who you ship Alastor with or if you ship him f*cking another character. I just don’t want to see it, which is a ME problem something that I will just have to avoid. So i give you permission to do whatever. But please be aware of other AroAces feelings on the matter. In my experience it can feel "unsafe" to be in a fandom because of some of the sexual content in a lot of ships. This is just my thoughts on the matter as a random person in on the internet. Idk if this'll be helpful either. Anyway, have a good day.

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

That's why ship art and p*rn should always be tagged. People who like it should feel free to enjoy it, but people who don't want to see it shouldn't have it shoved in their face.

@eredemia5912

2 ай бұрын

@AuraleafStorm Exactly. I didn't really think about tags. That makes it a lot easier for everyone.

The older brother improving is the best thing ever. And the parents too? I'm actually in heaven

THANK YOU!

Tbh this whole situation reminds me of how many pieces of media(such as Disney movies) will throw in a hint of a side character being queer to say they are “good rep” when in reality it barely counts and does nothing to make real queer people feel represented, because they don’t actually care about the LGBTQ+ community and are terrified of conservative backlash. Vivziepop isn’t afraid to show blatant and proud queer relationships (which is wonderful, don’t get me wrong; Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are two of the very few shows I’ve seen in which most of the characters are queer), but she’s still afraid of that backlash, even if it comes from a different group of people. You can’t exactly say you support aromantic people and then refuse to confirm a character as aro because you’re afraid that fans will get mad about it. I know of 3 other aromantic characters across all forms of media, so I think maybe we should get a fourth. I am really happy for the ace representation, and I wouldn’t mind if Alastor was asexual alloromantic, because that’s a real orientation and it is good for alloaces to have representation, but he’s not; it’s pretty clear that Alastor is aroace and Vivziepop just doesn’t want to say it. We desperately need more aromantic awareness, and Hazbin Hotel is a big enough show that it’s a real shame that they’re doing something like this.

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

👏👏👏 well-put!

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

YES! This is what I am trying to explain!

@jacquelynbabush7735

2 ай бұрын

@@Helluvafan62 Viv isn't going anywhere but up. Hazbin has made her a star, and I feel confident that she'll be around and producing content for a very long time. I love her work so much, but I can't stand by and watch her shove Alastor back into the closet.

@laurenmungaray3912

2 ай бұрын

She probably just wants fans to interpret it anyway they want, it's not a big deal. If it's so obvious that he's asexual then I don't think she needs to confirm anything.

WHY DOES KZread NOT HAVE A MIDDLE THUMB OPTION??

@lern2reed

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I miss the star rating system.

Great video

Therapist: Alastor ice cube doesn't exist, he can't hurt you. Alastor ice cube: 0:07

THE ANSWER IS HERE ❤🎉

Alastor is always asexual. Change my mind

@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp

2 ай бұрын

Counter point, would it even matter if he wasn’t asexual. He’s so obsessed with being The Radio Demon, i don’t see him wanting a relationship even if he did have a preference. My point is even if he does harbor some preferences, we don’t know what they are and no one really has any hope of being in an actual romantic relationship with him because he’s too important to himself to ever share himself with anyone.

@user-tc3uk4kd3l

2 ай бұрын

@@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp Invaild+Ratio

also i have a suggestion for the next investigation: who is the illustrator for the hazbin hotel cards???

Tbh it hurts the AroAce community more than it will the shippers. I wish she could make it official and say it so that finally us AroAce fans can get some representation without shippers shipping one of the ONLY characters we can relate to in that way. Tbh Viv not giving AroAces the closure is in a way nudging on AroAce erasure. There are so many characters out there that are Allosexual/romantic that people can ship yet shippers favorite characters to ship are the AroAce ones. I know there’s different types of aromatics but if it’s not relevant in the show I’d like to believe he’s romance and seccs repulsed. I just can’t see why the AroAce have to be shunned because of sensitive shippers. Then again shipping is just fun and games so it doesn’t really matter enough to leave a fandom because of a character’s sexuality, so much for being all inclusive🤨

who cares bro I see people shipping angel with female characters even tho hes gay so it doesnt matter if Al is aroace or just asexual since ships are supposed to be just silly and fun "what if" scenarios and nothing more if people cant handle the fact that Al is aroace and cry to viv because of that its their fault not viv's

No views in 13 secs? Fell off.

@CreeperAid

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

@AFnEFHdfATower-wx6kb

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s less than 1 Views per hour. So dissapointed.

He was the first and only character of sorta big media that represented me in being AROace. I didn't know what representation could mean. How personal it feels, what the phrase "beeing seen" means. Till there was Alastor. And till fandom pressured against aromanticism. My stance always was, that fanon incl shipping is free to express whatever. While fandom still have to include discussions and self-reflection of their own. And now it seems I underestimated the pressure it's queer-hostile dynamics have to a seemingly shipper-pandering creator. Or I was in a "shirley patriarchal fandom dynamics won't affect aspects of media >I While I understood it before, I certainly FEEL more the ppl who want to police shipping. It's still not my stance. But I want to spit in the face of every person, who unqueers this characters aromanticism in all their fanworks.

People are always throwing such a damn fit about this. Seriously, it's either people freaking out that he's Ace or people freaking out that people aren't making him Ace. People need to chill their damn hate boners and let folks have some damn fun. I frankly think it's more fun to work with his asexuality as people need to calm the fuck down about it. I think Viv is so blazay about it because she knows how fucking aggressive shipper crowds are. We're even still seeing it so honestly it's probably better to leave well enough alone. It's commonly accepted that Alastor is aroace. I genuinely don't care who Alastor gets shipped with as long as the other person or persons are adults. Vivzie can really do nothing here without setting off a damn minefield and with the shit she's been getting recently I think it's better she leaves the topic be rather than having more people freak the fuck out on her for doing anything. I've always been fairly vocal that the fandom is fairly toxic because people don't know how to act like adults anymore. The added delay with only the pilot being available didn't help that matter. Viv is really in a loss loss situation and is preferring not to say something so some new bully mentality isn't allowed to be fostered with people using her confirming/denying against others which will definitely happen. It's happened before and it will happen again.

@AuraleafStorm

2 ай бұрын

People get bullied for interpreting Alastor as aro, and people also get bullied for not interpreting Alastor as aro. Any answer Viv gives at this point would just fuel the discourse, because whether she comes out and says he is or he isn't, the harassment goes both ways. Shippers get told they're not allowed to ship him, even if they're staying in their lane and not demanding their ships become canon. It seems as though Viv chose to leave Al's romantic orientation up for interpretation for this exact reason, although that seems to not be helping the matter. Honestly, people shouldn't feel the need for canon to validate whatever they want to ship in fandom spaces, and nobody deserves to get bullied for posting ship art even if it's changing the characters' canon sexualities within it. Shippers do that all the time; it's just fandom being fandom, and there's nothing really wrong with it. It's just meant to be harmless fun, and nothing shippers ever do will ever invalidate what's canon.

As someone who is a flavor of Aroace, you are saint man. Thank you for telling me the truth, I absolutely hate being lied to so I appreciate you for making this video. Everyone refused to give me a real source and I didn't want to siff through years worth of live streams, I'll point people to your video for evidence!

As an aroace, I'm so happy that Alastor is aroace in addition to being my favorite. That said, I shup him with Angel Dust since their banter is so entertaining as the one who is the most sexual hitting on the asexual and the asexual having great deflection. In fan comics and fanart though, I enjoy seeing that even with all that, Alastor CAN be genuinely comforting to Angel. Also just because Alastor is aroace doesn’t mean he can't be shupped. And 100% agree with your statement on shipping wars

Personal Thoughts: Queerplatonic Relationships (QPR) and Queerplatonic Partnerships (QPP) are a thing. Mimzy could still be head over heels for Alastor, even in a QPR/QPP. It would just mean that the pairing was much more one sided with Alastor being Aro/Ace... which isn't always uncommon, I know people in a QPR that are like that. They have one of the strongest trust-bonds I've ever seen, they even got married (mostly for taxes and healthcare), co-parent a kid that one of them had beforehand, and make any and all important life decisions together. One of them is Aro/Ace, and they have a very deep emotional connection, it's just not romantic or physical in nature. (Although some QPR/QPP do have elements of romance or physical intimacy, each relationship is different and is defined by the people involved. In the one I'm talking about, the non-ace partner is allowed to seek physical comfort outside of the marriage, and there's no secrets in their partnership.) Mimzy could have been that way for Alastor from the start, or their relationship could have evolved into this as time went on and he discovered more about himself and how sexuality works. As far as fanfics go, I would consider fluff to be entirely appropriate with these two, even to the point of Mimzy being super lovey dovey with him, while he finds her attachment endearing, comforting, or validating as she accepts him for who he is. I could see other platonic ships with him working as fluff too, and one-sided/unrequited crushfics, but I personally genuinely don't see him as a valid candidate for smutfics and would not read or write one for him in that category. It's not going to stop people from writing it, I just personally won't consume it. ALSO when has someone's orientation ever stopped the fandom from shipping anyone in the past? Just provide the representation and let the fandom do what they're going to do. I've been in the fanfic trenches for a long time, I've seen some tags and pairings that have no business existing, but they do. (Sam x Dean... can we not? It even became a joke IN the series.) Shippers can be absolutely unhinged.

Honestly I really appreciate that Vivzepop is okay with shipping I never expect any of my ships to really be canon I mean the chances of RadioStatic or RadioApple ever actually being canon are like never its never gonna happen and thats fine I'll just be here creating my fanart and reading fanfiction I'm not gonna get upset over it not being canon that ain't gonna stop me from having my fun in fact I KNOW its not canon and I'm not going to say its canon when its obviously not but I'm still gonna enjoy shipping it doesn't need to be logical or canon for me to like it

@Li-oz1ux

2 ай бұрын

To be honest i don’t like the enemy to lovers trope because to me if we beefing I ain’t gonna like you period. However, viv def will throw in crumbs for the radioapple shippers. She fucking loves that ship it’s all she likes on twitter plus she really is into the two dads thing. Even tho Charlie and alastor never bonded in such a way. I will never buy that bs. But it is what it is

@VampireFish31

2 ай бұрын

@@Li-oz1ux its okay if that's what you think. It's just my personal opinion and a little silly idea. I'm not gonna start a war or complain that this ship isn't canon because, trust me, I know this will NEVER be canon and frankly I wouldn't want it to cannon because it would take away from the main story I'm perfectly happy with it just being a stupid idea in my head. I very much know how stupid this ship sounds, but I just like to have fun. I hope you can respect that, even if we do not see eye to eye on this ship. I ain't trying to beef with you.

Could you make a prediction on when Full Moon is going to release? Viv said middle of match but it’s now late march

@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d

2 ай бұрын

she also said early april

Wow first comment this is crazy all the things I can do we’ll have a good day

I have to agree with you, if a character is aroace, cool, let the fandom do what they want, I focus on ships that people don't think of or straight up don't exist, on instagram my whole account is based off of unpopular/non-existing ships, my first post is Velvette and Angel Dust, two characters who don't have any interaction in the show or pilot. So I thought it would be a fun and cute idea and guess what? People had no problem with it, because fandoms called a fandoms for a reason, a place where anyone can do anything they want with any character. Do I agree with some of the stuff in fandoms? No, but it's not my deal. As long as it's nothing illegal, I don't care, as everyone else shouldn't ether.

@spectralight8412

2 ай бұрын

I like how you came up with Angel Dust and Velvette. It’s not something I would’ve considered, but I fell into the rabbit hole of the Overlord Husk AU and thought, 🤔 would someone like Velvette be attracted to Husk if he was still powerful? Huskerdust is my fave ship in this show, but when I heard a Husk AI cover of Respectless it made me wonder what Husk’s interactions with other overlords could’ve been like, especially if he teamed up with the Vees. While we’re on the subject of rare pairings, I’ve seen a couple of comic dubs of Sir Pentious interacting with Molly (Angel Dust’s sister) and thought they would be cute together. I still ship CherriPen, I think Sir Pentious is the first character I’ve ever multi-shipped for even if it’s just two pairings.

I love Viv but the fact that she cares more about the feelings of shippers than the validation of aroace people is pretty upsetting. it doesn't matter how much you cater or pander to audiences, you're never going to please everyone, but you can at least make some of the least represented demographics of queer people feel seen. her responsibility is to the canon, everything else is beyond her control, but keeping quiet about it is more harmful than helpful. him being canonically aroace wouldn't stop any shipping and wouldn't cause people who ship him to get attacked, because they're not the ones getting attacked. ace people are still the minority. even with him canonically ace the majority of fics change or ignore that, and writing him as ace or aroace opens you up to criticism. i'd argue that making him canonically aroace would help aroace fans a lot more than it'd hurt the shippers' headcanons that they're going to have anyway.

Like I get people like shipping but why is it so hard for us to get representation this show is filled with various lgbtq+ queer characters yet Alastor being aroace is too far for the community it’s ridiculous we are just as equally valid as any other sexuality and I’m honestly sick of the discrimination against us by a community who constantly talks about fighting against discrimination it’s infuriating to see constantly. Imagine if the fandom was this mad about him being Creole they would be called out constantly for this yet we have to tiptoe around whether or not he’s aroace it’s ridiculous.

@deancrow573

Ай бұрын

I guess because for them it's hard to believe in something that "doesn't exist". I'm also ace and people can't understand our sexuality literally doesn't exist in a way. We have no desire to those things. Straights, gays, bis, pans, omnis etc they all have something in common, sexual desire. But we are out of this

Yo you know what... i hear roblox door music in the background, and i know for a fact I'm correct. I never knew he would use the music, but it is the guiding lights theme. Nice choice of music, really calming for these type of videos

jesus christ, the most intellectual topic of discussion on the internet.

Like the video if you think he’s still an ace in the hole

@ThatCatByTheStreet-ln2yc5we7d

2 ай бұрын

100000s of likes later

5:31 Fossils (keep this going guys)

@Official_annie_the_icon

2 ай бұрын

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