I'm no expert, but as you observed, AI generated content is, at the moment at least, derivative. From what I've seen, ChapGPT produces cliched, bland writing that would be worthless to me even as a first draft because it would be more work to to edit it than to start from scratch, which I enjoy anyway. It might have some value as an editor -- a glorified grammar and spell checker. As for cover art, I intend to employ artists for my book covers, but I'm speaking as someone who can afford to pay for art and who highly values that human element. Thank you for the video, Bookborn!

@Bookborn

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I'm with you on employing cover artists - finding artists for Zack's works has been some of the most fun to see - but it does come from a place of being able to afford that, and art can just be so steep. And as another author said in this comment section - they couldn't afford to pay an artist, so it was clip art or AI - it wasn't taking money from an artist. Interesting all around, but I really tend to side with you about the human touch (and I've also not read any generated text that was unedited from AI and sounded decent).

A few weeks ago, my developmental editor, who's also a great writing friend, was helping me with my backcover blurb for book two of my trilogy . Unbeknownst to me, she fed my three drafts (from various POVs) into Chat GPT and sent me the results. (She told me fairly quickly after I first read them.) What she sent back was... voiceless, I guess. I mean, it sort of helped me to sort out which points to emphasize. But I ended up ditching it and rewriting. I guess it helped. She's less suspicious and resentful than I am, and the exercise helped me to see the issue in a slightly new light. But yeah, I'm with you. I'm generally just still negative on it. Although I'm sure my perspective will continue to evolve. Solid analysis, as usual. Great work on an important topic. Here's to seeking and nurturing human creativity.

@Bookborn

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I could see it being very useful for those purposes, as well as perhaps finding smaller plot details to put in (as long as you were writing them yourself to get rid of that "AI" writing sound). More like a research tool, if anything. I just think not everyone will use it that responsibly for the first bit haha!

@charrier18

Жыл бұрын

Wait, so she fed your entire book into ChatGPT and it recommended a back of book blurb? 😱

@vaughnroycroft999

Жыл бұрын

@@charrier18 No, she fed it all of our drafts of the blurb, and it tossed them like a word salad. 😂 I wonder what it would’ve done with the whole book! 🤯

Lovely video! the ending was especially great because I've noticed a similar trend even when it comes to CGI in films or digital music. CGI is prevalent for sure, but still people make practical effects and audiences find themselves gravitating towards practical effects blended with CGI and turn away from purely CGI created films. Similarly while digital music is the main source listening to music, still vinyl records sales are at an all time high. People long for human connection. We don't want everything to be digital. Sanderson said on a recent podcast that perhaps the reason we don't have flying cars is simply because we don't want them. I think the same is true for AI art, music, films, etc; we don't want it. Society doesn't want it and so we turn away from it. The issue is really more on if AI will be forced upon the public by corporations as a way to save a buck. Wave a flashy carrot at the audience and make them pay MORE because its AI generated, whilst paying artists less. There was a conversation on twitter about how writers, composers, editors, etc don't want to edit AI work, not for ego reasons, but more so because revision payments are far less than 1st draft payments and yet the amount of work to correct any work - human or AI - doesn't suddenly diminish because you're 'revising.' Revisions take a long time and are a lot of work, especially if the first draft sucks. So AI generated art from a corporate perspective is exciting to execs trying to please greedy shareholders and market bros, but they will only further destroy the middle class that is already being destroyed due to gig economy brought up on tech 'disrupters' who don't understand what they're doing. Thats the real issue I have with AI. I don't think humans will just willy nilly accept AI art, they'll always want human involvement. We're not on our way to a Wall-E society. However, I do think corporate greed and stockholder pressure, especially during a global inflation, will put pressure on the acceptance of AI by creatives who do not wish it to be a part of their process - or do not want to have to learn how to apply it into their process. Algorithms, "Content," and other tech bro distorters have done enough to turn what was once a viable career into just another uber driver gig job. These people have destroyed the middle class and are furthering the gap between the upper class and lower class. This isn't right. AI created art revised by humans will make this economic struggle worse. AI can't be copyrighted, but slap a human on there and now it can.. yet the human is paid far less than what they would on an original draft AND their royalty income diminishes due to the AI involvement and the already lessening royalty streams. THIS is the problem. This is a real financial danger to working class artists that are just trying to make ends meet doing what they love. And this is why there needs to be HARD government regulation on AI, it's availability to corporations, and it's role in society. HOWEVER, reverse these rolls and I can see AI being beneficial. Don't use the AI to create, but use it to revise or find mistakes, plot holes, etc. Use AI to find problems in a mix and make or suggest ways to fix; use AI like how peter jackson did on the LOTR films to make a 10,000 men army that isn't possible with regulations and budgetary constrictions. Using AI as a tool to help AFTER the art has already been made is, imo, fine. It becomes a tool as part of the artistic process, not the thing that defines the artistic process. It doesn't take jobs away, it doesn't destroy the economy, and it doesn't obliterate the working class. In it's current state AI is working backwards. Hopefully this mistake will be corrected before too much damage is done

@jozephusmusic

Жыл бұрын

Nice take

@Bookborn

Жыл бұрын

I REALLY like CGI has an example, and wish I would've thought of it myself! There was definitely a ton of fear about that replacing all movies, and now we see it as an extremely useful tool when used correctly.

Really thought provoking video. It’s hard to know how to feel about it. Maybe it’s okay if people use it to help their creative process but do 95% of the art/writing themselves. Eg. Upload a finished art piece and have the AI try out some different filters and lighting effects on it. One thing similar to what you touched on is that people in the past dreamed that automation and artificial intelligence would take over manual labour and boring jobs so that we would have more fee time to be creative. But it feels like it’s the opposite and AI is providing cheap fast creative work so people have to spend more time working dull jobs 😅

@genghisgalahad8465

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Now THAT is terrifying! AI overlords with human serfs. Brrr. Then again that also begets human extremists like in Contact or to a more favorable degree Rogue One.

@Bookborn

Жыл бұрын

I tried to find the meme that said that but couldn't re-find it...it's so true though, we are going to opposite direction that we hoped/dreamed 😬

@najawin8348

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"One thing similar to what you touched on is that people in the past dreamed that automation and artificial intelligence would take over manual labour and boring jobs so that we would have more fee time to be creative. But it feels like it’s the opposite and AI is providing cheap fast creative work so people have to spend more time working dull jobs" Part of this is that people completely misunderstood how difficult it was to _physically_ automate things like being a cook, or being a garbage man. These are incredibly complex jobs that require the ability to understand what to do in weird situations that don't occur that much, and to move around freely in 3d space. Just an awful thing to try and automate. Generation of images and text is happening a bit easier than people expected (though I contend that much of it isn't good), but it doesn't have to deal with the robotics issues that people underestimated. Similarly, there's always more work to do. Either because new jobs are invented that robots/AI can't perform as they're currently built, or because the cost of hiring an AI/robot is too expensive, so you hire a grunt worker. The economy isn't static, and we're never going to automate our way to full leisure. To better lives? Of course. But there will _always_ be work to do.

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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@@moreicestreaming I don't really understand why people think A.I. is good for brainstorming or editing/rephrasing and such either though, honestly. There are notable limitations to A.I. comprehension of ideas/concepts, and grammar &/or punctuation rules[ and special circumstances/exceptions] too. Automated spelling and grammar-checkers should never be utilized or relied upon, at least at this current point in time, without the added element of human oversight[ especially human oversight that is knowledgeable in the actual relevant art/skill/field in particular]. It can not replace simply educating yourself independently....or hiring someone else who has such education themself to utilize it on your behalf. And it is just as possible for A.I. to experience mistakes or glitches as it is for humans to do so. A.I. is best suited for broadstrokes, not really for fine-tuning or perfecting micro details, at very least not without double-checking it after the fact, and even rechecking everything after the fact multiple times it is still not totally impossible for mistakes or errors to somehow slip through just the same[ because neither humans nor man-made A.I. or other tech is a perfectly infallible god/entity/ or such]. Especially if you are not yourself independently educated enough in that particular field/skill/knowledge/area/whatever to even realize it if or when the A.I. you utilized has or hasn't made an error. It's also less adaptive, generally. But the words to properly dig into and/or detail what I mean are currently escaping me right now. So I'm crap at thoroughly or properly discussing it all for the immediately-present time being. But I do agree, at the very least, that A.I. in the hands of people who know what they are doing is always more effective than A.I. in the hands of someone who doesn't have as much a clue-that is true! ^-^ Lol But as for whether or not it could ever possibly become the world-ending thing that people fear that it might-I think it entirely depends on just how much A.I. is or isn't ever able to replicate deductive reasoning and/or adaptive connection drawing and/or the generating of things that are not pre-programmed or simply copied/spliced-together from other pre-existing compositions or such. And just how much it will or won't be able to cognitively understand or replicate emotion, or what induces emotion, even without technically being able to experience emotion itself. (If any of that even makes any sense.😅😅 I'm trying, but my brain is[ unfortunately] seriously not functioning at full-tilt or doing descriptive words or technical terminology for shite today, so I apologize. It's a bit like being in a room and observing that the room is full of things, like a refrigerator, and knowing that this particular thing does something to stuff that is stored inside of it-but not knowing the word "fridge" or the word "cold" or even that the area itself is called a "room" nor any of the other words to describe exactly what it is or what it does or what happens to the things that are put inside of it in any kind of a way that someone else would have any idea what you were talking about without simply being to just see or observe those things and exactly what those things do and/or what affects those things have on other things too all for themselves; very frustrating. Lol)

@jesustyronechrist2330

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Naaah, AI is a tool. At worst, it'll remove the traditional focus on "craftsmanship" and instead put it more on the finished product. As in "I don't care you spent 20 years practicing this". Which is not all bad... Like think of how much time artists basically waste "practicing" drawing something that they probably never will? It's this vague "just in case" mentality why they have to practive drawing "wooden floor texture on ball" when they only draw Pinterest girl with pouty lips? Same with writing: How many bad generic books do you have to write before you have enough experience, knowledge and skill to write an actually good book? What if you could just skip writing those bad ones. Basically, AI will challenge our "trial and error" learning process mindset. I don't think we have to make mistakes before we can do something great. That's just unnecessary.

I really liked your take and the questions you brought to the table. I'm a digital Illustrator and I still don't quite know how to feel about AI. I try to take a neutral side to see as much objectively as I can how this developes. A few days ago (after feeling awkard for a long time while creating my working, thinking constantly about AI) I came to a positive note: I started a new illustrated practice to improve myself as an illustrator, it consisted in making characters inspired in butterflies and other insects. I did not only enjoy a lot when coming to ideas and sketches but also making my research about the butterflies I was getting inspiration from. And today, I realized that, I could just put an image of a butterflie on an AI and ask it to generate a character from it, in just 5 minutes, but somehow I didn't want that and I actually didn't care. That made me feel really good, and make me think of something: do the people that consume what I create will perceive the kind of dedication and work I put on It? I think it will, as long as we like that much what we do. Also, I don't feel like reading fantasy books made mostly by AI, for me it takes part of the fun. Something that I like from reading is knowing that there's someone out there that create something so wonderful and that felt and thought things I can relate to.

Don't be apologetic!! You are spot on with this! I was born and raised through the 70s and 80s with some of the best fantasy novel cover art the genre has ever seen. There is nothing better than those gorgeous covers of Piers Anthony, Terry Brooks, Elizabeth Boyer, and so many others. AI not only removes the human element from the equation, but it also generates an unwarm welcome of a cold computerized world by stealing from the human artists' talents and using small elemental portions from multiple art sources, which in my opinion is considered a sort of plagiarism. It is a huge slap in the face to authenticity and talent. This needs to be curbed before it goes too far. I understand that it is much cheaper and faster to allow a computer to generate the art for a novel than it is to commission a real-life artist to paint the cover art. I miss the days when a fantasy novel was all about the story, the author, and the art. Today it is all about sales and publisher gain. I am not a fan of this. Bring back the human element! By the way, I love your channel!!! You are among one of the first channels I go to when I want to look for my next read! Keep up the great work!

I think something really important that I want to add to your video is that we also have to consider that the AI that we are talking about now is not really AI or AGI. This programs are, at the most basic level, probability programs. They just put the pixel or word that has the highest probability going after a certain pixel or word depending on the prompt that has been fed into it. Also wanted to add that I do think “AI” will create a story that has never been told before, because if they can create code and algorithms that have never been created, and art that has never been created, why not a story? Love all the videos and discussions that you research with stats and academic papers you bring to the table!!!

I don't inherently mind AI replicating art. My issue is the people who *own* that AI using it as a cheap shortcut to marginalize authors. AI is fascinating and should be explored and studied. People are just the worst. That said, this video touched on a lot of really interesting points I wouldn't have considered, particularly the parallel to ebooks. Awesome job!

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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Yeah, I don't think it's so much A.I. that is a problem as it is the way in which some people use A.I. while representing it dishonestly as if they actually chose every word themself and not just as a way of helping them realize the vision or story they personally had in mind but just to try and profit off of the essentially automated process of it with as little actual thought or effort as possible because of just how much can be generated just how quickly. That's the real problem. But I don't think that every person who utilizes a.i. tech is always actually doing so in that specific kind of way, nor for those specific reasons, just by utilizing a.i. at all.

@Bookborn

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I think AI replacing art is something that would concern me, depending, like you said, on how it was used. There inevitably will be people who are better at using AI and in some way become artists themselves through their ability to manipulate AI - just like someone would manipulate any online tools. However, I don't like the dishonesty where people lie about using AI and try to sell it as painted art - that's messed up.

@connoroleary725

Жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn 10000%. The recent SPFBO issues were eye-opening. And as someone hoping to self publish in the next couple years, it adds a layer of concern

Wow Sudowrite is crazy! I watched that video and thought for a second, wow, that could really help me start writing more! But then as the video went on I saw just how lifeless the AI writing seems. There's shortcuts to completing a novel, but there aren't shortcuts to writing a good one.

@Bookborn

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It's really a crazy piece of tech, and I could see it being useful for finding new story beats or character traits, but can't imagine someone actually using the prose it produces - not only is it stilted, but so cliche.

I tried using chatgbt to create an image. It was a lot harder to get it to do what i wanted than i expected. Tried to create a swashbuckling pirate captain tiefling and it seemed to insist that the character must be wearing a hat even after i repeatedly said no hat or head garb. Still has a way to go

Great video. I've found ChatGPT to be useful in editing my own prose (e.g. finding the right verb), in which case it's just a glorified thesaurus that adds a bit of situational context. It's also useful as a brainstorming tool. It's a tool that enhances productivity. That said, the AI threat is vastly overestimated for a number of reasons. 1. Art is subjective and writing in particular contains a lot of elements that a machine just cannot learn. How do you teach a program what sarcasm is? The best it could do is identify a clear tag like "he said sarcastically", which is mediocre fan-fic style writing. 2. Genre, sub-genre, and author-specific communities. I think other commenters have already touched on this. 3. The big one. Lawyers! We're in the early days, but these models learn by just scraping tons of data from anything fed to them. If AI-novel sweatshops start producing and profiting from readable content at scale, it's going to trigger a tsunami of civil litigation (assuming these AI-novels are ever good enough to garner readership). Most of these cases might be settled or fail, but most grand juries are going to side with a human profiting from their own labor over someone using AI. Moving forward, AI in creative industries might end up being like a McDonalds model. AI can churn out content and stories. Some AI written novels might occasionally hit the spot Ever hate read something bad or just craved fast food? We've all been there, but the quality of any story (or burger) will always be vastly improved when crafted by someone who worked with passion, purpose, and vision.

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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I feel like it could actually be possible to teach a machine to use words to mean the opposite of what they technically mean, or to say that something is true as a way of meaning that it isn't true. But it would certainly take a far more complex coding of parameters or whatever to accomplish. (And, even so, there is still some level of human nuance or such which can not be perfectly comprehended or replicated at least not by a.i. at its current level. That is true.) And...yeah...there are definitely going to need to be some kind of anti-plagiarism parameters set in place, as well. Where your a.i. can learn to mimic certain patterns, but can not copy the text exactly and/or must change[ not only rearrange or utilize synonyms for] more than a certain percentage of it. And/or some kind of comprehensive databases of public domain versus non-public-domain sources to cross-reference with, or something, to make sure your a.i. generated stuff is not simply cloning other creator's work exactly or whatever. I guess the problem is always in determining with concrete proof whether something is simply coincidentally the same/similar or actually directly copied from something else.

@Bookborn

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Yeah, I absolutely think AI is good as a tool - even the art! I imagine it's really fun for projects like...creating a D&D character and things like that. Or, my Sister in Law who is an artist, sometimes will use it to get composition ideas. I am super interested to see what will happen going forward with legislation, especially because right now you can't own the copyright to AI art - so where does that leave authors who use it as a book cover? Interesting all around...

Don't apologize for having a negative take. It's a bad situation and your subs, including me, appreciate your candor. 👍

I would think musical artists are more scared. Consider how many songs are based on the exact same chord progression with a drum track. The human element is already being sucked out. Artists perhaps. I recall a story a while ago where a woman was selling her 3 year old's finger painting for exhorbitant amounts of money not telling who the artist was, and they sold. But at the moment all AI would be digital, not a screen print like your example. However, if it created a design or template, like a 3d printer or the color screens, which was then assembled by a person, would it then be considered 'real' art?

@Bookborn

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It's hard to say, isn't it! I'm still not sure where I stand on those parts of the issue. I do think some music will be replaced but I'd say the majority of the most famous musicians are famous because of their human element/personality. Of course: those who are most famous/most successful/most stand out probably have the least to lose from AI - it'll be the mid-range people who lose out the most.

@zachbirch1545

Жыл бұрын

By the way that is not a screen print. I believe it’s a linocut print

I appreciate the discussion! As a creative soul, AI scares me SO MUCH. This eased my fears a little bit. I will say that I agree with you on the human connection. For instance, I'd rather take a long time to make something that's meaningful, and connect with my audience on a more emotional level, than pumping out generic content to get a quick buck. I'd rather be a broke artist who inspires people and really impacts an audience (no matter how small) than a wealthy producer who pumps out a large amount of AI-generated content every day and never connects with their audience on any profound level. That's just my two-cents as a writer.

@najawin8348

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I think a good point of comparison is the textile industry or the woodworking industry. Both of these underwent automation. But you still _have_ textile workers and woodworkers. There are just fewer of them and they do bespoke pieces at high prices for those who want something other than the mass produced industrial churn. The middle class and poor have greater access to these things than they did before as well. Some jobs will inevitably be lost, and some will have to work _with_ the automation rather than on their own. But there's always going to be a space for craftsmen, even if it's going to be smaller.

@disneymagicfanatic

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@@najawin8348 Excellent point! It still scares me sometimes though😅

@najawin8348

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@@disneymagicfanatic And that's reasonable! Nobody expected illustration to be this easy to automate. It spooked a lot of people I know, because it made us all wonder if our timelines for when certain fields were going to be automated were completely wrong. (Luckily it still seems to be very derivative on the writing side, so much of our guesses seem to hold up.) When automation comes to your industry it's normal to be worried, especially if it's not expected. But there are bright spots as well. If you want to make some sort of digital media project, using visuals, narrative, and some coding, but you can't code, ChatGPT will write the code for you if you tell it what you want! Artists have new ways to express themselves as well as potentially being threatened.

After watching this video, I decided to have a conversation with ChatGPT itself on this topic. The AI suggested it should not be used to create works, but used a tool to enhance creativity. To quote ChatGPT: "Creativity is a dynamic and iterative process, and drawing inspiration from various sources, including AI-generated suggestions, can be a valuable part of that journey. As long as you remain mindful of your own artistic voice and maintain the integrity of your work, using external ideas as catalysts for your own unique creations can be a powerful tool for creative growth and exploration."

@Bookborn

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But people aren't necessarily going to do that LOL. I posted a reel recently, but already in our community there was an artist flat out lying about using AI, and was caught out. That's the sort of stuff I'm wary about - if you're honest about it, I don't see the issue.

I remember reading a sci-fi novel that has AI writing news articles a couple years back. I never believed it was possible...

@Bookborn

Жыл бұрын

I actually think AI writing news articles is scarier than what we are talking about here, because AI can get facts wrong, and our news cycle is already out of control 😭

@unavezms8167

Жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn Yeah, they are just doing clickbait titles now. With little to no substance.

Fantastic video! Well-researched as always with plenty of your own thoughtful opinions. As someone involved in a technical field utilizing machine learning and AI for scientific research, and also as an aspiring science fiction/fantasy author, I feel the time we live in is sometimes exciting and sometimes discouraging. I have had a number of panic-stricken moments as of late after doing AI deep dives, because of the artistic danger it represents. I completely agree with you that we tend to have little reaction when it comes to computing overlapping more and more with technical work. After all, science and STEM in general is certainly function over form at the end of the day and results are more important than anything else. But the invasion on art is something I never thought we would have to deal with (at least not for a long time). The legal reset incumbent on society and on art specifically in coming years I think makes for an exciting time to think about these issues. I find one of the ways I personally overcome a bit of my fear is by understanding as much as I can (within reason and time constraints) about the technical workings of AI. Of course, this can only go so far especially since I am not an AI scientist and do not plan to become one. From what I understand, even researchers involved with the models creating all the public outcry at the moment do not fully understand the capabilities. That is again very exciting but also scary. Your video here expressing your thoughts about art collectibility and the connection to the artist also serves to alleviate some of my fears haha. I had not considered all the points you brought up, great talk.

It's gonna get so much worse than it is right now for writers. As someone who writes and hopes to get published one day, this kinda makes me lose all hope for that. Even if I get published I imagined by the time that happens everyone will think everyone is writing using AI and or using AI for ideas etc. But in the next 5 years we're gonna have AGI according to the google deepmind dude and Altman of openAI... when that happens we just won't be able to compete. The AI already sees patterns we simply don't see or understand. When it becomes more intelligent and is able to scour all our books, reviews etc what people liked and didn't like it can literally write custom stories for people.. I don't even know if we will be watching the same shit in the future.. Eventually this will also be the case for movies and stuff.. can you imagine if everyone watched a similar movie last night but tailor made for your needs and wants. The AGI will know us a lot better than we know ourselves. Its stories will feel more human than human written stories. The future is exciting but also dystopian af .. I do hope writers won't cry about like the artist people are right now. No the AI isn't stealing your art. No it's not copying you. It's learning just like you and me. But yes it sucks. Imagine having written a great book and you finally get published and now everyone accuses you of using AI. Or no one is interested because even though people are iffy about AI/AGI, people take convenience and pleasure over anything and when they realize human writers don't even come close to AGI and the AGI can mimics your favorite writer but even better than the writer itself, it's over.

@Bookborn

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I think there actually is an argument that it's NOT learning like you or I. You and I cannot take every single thing we've ever read and contain it. If you were to do a digital painting, your painting would have IDEAS that you'd seen, but would not literally be using it. I"m not saying it's for sure stealing, but I think it's a gray area that can't be ruled out yet.

@3choblast3r4

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@@Bookborn But therein lies the distinction. Of course I can't with perfect photographic memory remember everything or access / analyze endless amount of data like an artificial neural network. But you have to understand that it's *not* using anyone's work to create anything other than what basically amounts to "looking over the work once". But the difference between us and the AI is that the AI when it sees a picture sees the patterns between every single pixel in the image and can deconstruct, reconstrict it pixel by pixel while learning every pattern it can learn and then comparing and contrasting the patterns to billions of other pieces of ar. This idea that it copies / pastes etc is a myth. The AI doesn't copy any part of the images that it was trained on, it doesn't ever copy and paste text unless the people training it demand it says something like forcing it to greet people by giving it incentives or punishments if itdoesn't. It creates what it does based on patterns it learned similar to how our brain learns things and how our brains neural pathways strengthen over time by repetition. Yes you can ask an AI to perfectly recreate something, or even ask them to create something that is of a similar style. But they aren't in any way copy or pasting etc. If you ask an AI to create "a sci fi cityscape in the style of van gogh" .. it's not just mashing a city city scape with a filter together. It's analyzing and learning the patterns of every single pixel in correlation to other pixes and their colors etc etc and using the understanding it has of that style and image. That's what I meant with "AI sees patterns we can't hope to ever see" .. not with our current brains. This is also why the creators of AI don't exactly know how they work, it's too complex for us to understand what the AI is seeing .. But the point is, in the end, the AI learns from all that it's fed, and then creates it's own original things. Based on the endless patterns it has examined and learned from and that have tuned it's neural nodes/network. The AI having seen and analyzed an imagine and learning from it/ using it as inspiration is really no different than you or me looking at a painting and using it as inspiration. Except we just aren't as good at it.

Before Deep Blue, I think the general consensus in the chess-world was that computers never would reach the level of the truly brilliant grandmasters; using the same type of arguments that now may be used to argue why authors don't have to worry about competition from AI. The argument that the human mind brought something essential to the evaluation of a chess position that could not be replicated by a machine and thus the human mind would prevail over the machine. Of course, what we now know is that vastly superior computational power completely overshadows what edge humans may have regarding creativity when it comes to chess. At the very least I think we soon will see AI generated 'works of art' that will be indistinguishable from what we would think of as a human made masterpiece for everyone but true experts and perhaps AI-programs designed to find the traces of other AIs. Will it be through something we would call creativity? Probably not, but it will be iterations of several existing human works, put together in a form that will seem novel.

Found this fascinating! Thanks for the video.

great video! I agree with your concerns but also with conclusion and the comparison with e-books is sound. AI will change creativity but a lot of mainstream movies feel like they’ve written by AI for a while. It will make unique voices and strong fan-connection stand out more.

I like the way you go into topics and explain them in a way that is interesting and makes me think. I did notice however that you used the movie example I-robot but didn’t talk about the author who wrote the original, Isaac Asimov, he is also the person who invented the word robot and robotics. He has some great content that helped me understand what AI and robots were and his short stories took a look at everything from fear of this technology as well as love and everything in between. I highly recommend his writing.

It's interesting how so much attention has been around creative arts, and more curiously writing, when the biggest revolution will be "ai" taking over the more mundane and formulaic things like coding, where there isn't the nuance and cultural intuition needed to be an effective simulacrum. This mass reaction either takes to heart how special we place stories in our lives, or is hubris about how unique the human experience might be. It's an old and hard question! It may be an inevitability. We as a culture should work together to safeguard what we find joy in, rather than those with control utilizing this as just a new tool to further consolidate power and money. Not to get too in weeds but this will go hand in hand with the old problem of tying basic survival with economic output. Artistic expression vs commodification, and the what attracts a creator in the first place.

@najawin8348

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"when the biggest revolution will be "ai" taking over the more mundane and formulaic things like coding, where there isn't the nuance and cultural intuition needed to be an effective simulacrum." 100%. A well trained software engineer probably will be fine, that's a job that requires a high level of creativity and a broad knowledge base, but your low level code monkey is dead in the water. Indeed, I've seen some artists and authors using this to work on video games or other sorts of digital products that they couldn't have made on their own before! Ultimately they're probably going to want to hire a game dev or software engineer near the finish line, but it's so much cheaper for them to have a proof of concept and rough outline of what they want to do, and it opens up so much creative space that people have been leaving on the table.

@Bookborn

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Artistic expression vs commodification is such a good way to put it and goes way beyond even AI. You're right, it's the age-old question. I'll be very interested to see how it shakes out, or perhaps if there will almost be human "techs" who are better at working an AI, just like some people are better at manipulating computers and code.

It can never take away the joy of writing and the joy of reading what another human has written.

Very informative video! I've seen the negative impact it had on the art community & now the author community. It kinda makes me scared of how it will potentially advance more in the future. But can it compete with human connection? No I feel that it won't have the same connection we humans want to have with the person behind the art. That's why book communities & fandoms exist we shared a connection with the art that was created by another human being. But it's still scary of what AI might became.

I have started using Sudowrite to see how I can incorporate it into my writing. One of the things I have done is give it pieces to rewrite and see what it suggests. Some of the descriptive prose caught my fancy. I think of the number of items I have checked, I am only taking about 15-20%. So more of an editor? I did try the story engine, and it was interesting, but it seems if you want something useful, you will really need to plan the inputs and modify the outputs. Would it be easier to just write your story? Not sure, I will play with it for a while. Will editing the output be too much? Not sure. Thank you for your video. I enjoyed listening to your take on it.

I think Chat GPT is really interesting during the brainstorming phase, because it’s just like the world: you see things that inspire you. After that though, I think truly great writing still requires a human hand.

@insomnius3447

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Does it tho? Most humans have this belive that there's something really special about them. But, i belive, the reality is, that humans are just a lot of effective processing power. I dont see what exactly a human brain can do that a computer cant, given it is sufficently developed. Writing a text is not something metaphysical. There is a clear lstructure to it. Some things work and some do not. Humans, generally, find certain things interesting and others not. Fundamentally, all of this follows a rather simple logic and can be easily imitated by a AI.

@virgurilla4084

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In my experience, AI can assist in rephrasing sentences to make them better, but it's not as simple as asking it to "rewrite this for me" and being done with it. It's more like a back-and-forth where you explore different options, and it may not always give you exactly what you're looking for. However, it does provide some helpful suggestions that you can incorporate into your writing. When I struggle with a sentence, AI helps speed up the process of coming up with different ways to convey the same information, but it doesn't do the writing for me. My final result is usually 70% my own work and 30% a conglomeration of the different results it gave me when asking very specific prompts (or very vague feelings like "Make this sound more like its a green cow saying it, which makes no sense but it does anyway"

@Bookborn

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I agree that for brainstorming it could be extremely helpful - feed it some things and see if it comes back with a few interesting story beats. But I also have a hard time seeing prose being completely written by AI as a desirable thing...

I think my main concern involves your point about AI not really being able to engage with fandoms. This might be a non-concern for people with big fandoms, but my perspective as a new indie author is very different. I don't have a big community to interact with yet. I, and a lot of indies like me, struggle to be seen for just some initial exposure. It's a long road from there to having a strong connection to a significant fanbase. If AI-generated books flood TBRs in the meantime with the same tropes people are looking for, that will just decrease the number of good indie authors who are able to push through to success because success (the financial kind) will be more and more based on sheer luck.

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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A.I. _can_ actually engage with fandoms, at very least over the internet, though. That's the wild part. A.I. can even generate voices and faces/avatars that appear animate, or such....so, one of these days, it may not even be restricted just to text-based interactions either. 👀 🙃 😅😅

@Bookborn

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@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 Intersting, I feel like that engagement (as of right now, anyway, at it's current level) isn't...REAL though. That type of chat has been around for ever (I remember AOL having a chat bot LOL) and even though it's improved, there's still aspects when chatting with an AI that doesn't seem to evolve. In fairness, there's anime avatars that make a ton of money that I'm pretty sure are run by AI... so maybe I shouldn't snub my nose at it. It will clearly appeal to some, and not to others.

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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@@Bookborn True. Definitely true~ (I think that ol' AIM chat bot may have been the OG chat-bot honestly, at least so far as things that were rolled out for actual public usage goes, if I'm not misremembering it; but I distinctly recall that thing existing too🤣🤣) That type of engagement certainly does have quite a ways to go yet[ in many aspects], probably, (especially from where things are at with it currently) but I just meant that it is [at minimum ]theoretically possible...especially as things are moving forward in the future. For better or for worse, things like that are advancing more and more[ in those directions] every day. And I do believe that still-images and text are already not the only things that can be A.I. generated these days, though of course with variable or arguable realism. Not all chat-bots are run per se specifically by A.I. though...but I'm currently blanking on what the exact distinction is right now..or how to explain that difference. It's been a while since I last brushed up on the specifics of what precisely is or isn't classified as A.I. in particular. Lol (But I think that some chatbots are literally just automated messages triggered by certain keywords or key-phrases, while actual A.I. is a bit more complex and/or interactive than that[ and can actually comprehend at least to a certain point virtually anything which is said to it and then can also generate kind of its own responses to that input rather than merely parroting back a number of very specific pre-set responses only], basically?. 🤔🤷‍♀️ 🤷 😅) There are definitely for-profit apps out there that are based either partially or even entirely on marketing interactive a.i. experiences to consumers, though. I think it's especially popular in the world of 'dating sims' and such. Some people really enjoy it, especially I think those persons who specifically aren't into the interactive experience to take any of it too seriously, while other people actually find it quite viscerally disturbing and will avoid it at all costs[ at least so long as if they are aware of it when something is or isn't even a.i. to begin with & are given the option to opt-out or avoid it at all]; and sometimes I think exactly just how "fun" or "enjoyable" it is[ or isn't] can also depend a lot upon the individual patterns and/or other information that's picked up or learned by the a.i. which can differ somewhat throughout each interaction or experience individually. But I'm sure I'm explaining it very poorly. Today is really not my day, and I feel like I'm bordering myself on being as incomprehensible as a poor quality a.i. operated chat-bot sometimes. (Sorryy!) Lolll The alarming thing is that there could be entire social media accounts out there operated completely by a.i.[ that did not openly disclose the fact they're run by a.i.] which the people(or fans) interacting with those accounts may or may not ever be aware were, in fact, being run by a.i. and not an actual person at all. Where things are at now, it would probably be possible to at least suspect when that is or might-be happening with relative accuracy, but it may become increasingly more difficult to definitively discern the difference in the future; especially if a.i. is ever put in charge of operating the tech/software to essentially deepfake completely fictitious[ a.i. generated] people in real-time video &/or audio streams or anything like that. I mean... Netflix customer service, in particular, is already almost entirely a.i. operated(even when you call in via phone and it speaks back to you with an a.i. operated voice)-just for one example. Computer synthesized voices are getting more & more realistic and less & less obviously computerized all the time(as is computer generated images/video). And there are apps that even allow you to have video and/or audio calls with anime and/or a.i. generated avatars-calls that are run by interactive a.i. tech rather than by following a particular script or having specific keywords or key-phrases and pre-set responses to them or such. And that's not even touching on the rising advent of all the artificial &/or augmented reality technology that's out there-or how that can be paired with a.i. too. The one thing that a.i. can't currently generate is actual(physical) face-to-face interaction. But as android robotics, or such, are also advancing-it will, perhaps, eventually be possible to have even (physical)face-to-face interactions with synthetic bodies operated entirely by a.i. too. Although, again, at least with where things are currently .. it would, of course, be relatively easy to distinguish the difference between a face-to-face interaction with a synthetic body[ even one operated by a.i. technology] versus a face-to-face interaction with an actual person. But, yeah, chatting with an a.i. is rarely quite as intuitive or comprehensive as a chat with an actual human person can be. At least where things are at with a.i. tech so far. Still... It's pretty wild to think about. We could someday reach a point where an a.i. is given control over an entire work station or something to physically create pieces of art with, as well as being given control of the camera set up with which to record the process of creating it, or be asked to write an entire essay or answer a whole Q&A interview explaining why it made the choices it made to generate whatever it generates in response to whatever prompted it to do so. (Or such.) I think most people are more concerned about the possibility of someday not being able to ever absolutely know for sure or for certain when things are and aren't actually even being generated by a.i. versus being created by an actual human person at all-but if it is always openly disclosed when something was a.i. generated versus human created, then I think people are more likely to be comfortable with it if always given the choice to opt-in or opt-out based on their own personal preferences. _Sorry-I was rambling on and on a lot more than I realized!_ All the potential implications and applications are definitely interesting to ponder, and I definitely get why there is so much debate and so many conflicting thoughts/feelings surrounding it, too.

Brilliant video, as always. Great research as usual, and I especially liked your perspective at the end. 👍 Yeah, I do feel like artistic creation is different than computational tasks. When solving games like chess, a machine gets immediate, concrete feedback, and can try every conceivable move in mircoseconds, and quickly and objectively learn which moves succeed and which ones don't. When a machine writes a book, how does it get feedback that the characters are flat? That the tension is weak, that there are no stakes? That the story lacks foreshadowing, lacks symbolism? A reader could provide that feedback, but not millions of times per second, and even more important, that feedback is subjective. How can a machine respond to that feedback and make changes that seem to require an organic touch? Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't quite see how that will work.

I tried writing a chapter of my story using chat gpt, but the output of it felt rigid and the voice of my characters were changed completely. The only thing i like about chat gpt version of my chapter was the strong verbs and correct grammer. Now i only use it to spell check, fix grammer, and to create a point to point outline of a paragraph description of my chapter.

I'm still feeling very negatively biased toward AIs but I loved this discussion. Especially the point you made about emotional intelligence and how we react more when AIs start to approach the areas that we feel are "human" vs when it's computational tasks. I just hope that AI-generated stories, covers, art, etc. are clearly marked as such so that we as consumers can at least choose what to support. It might be easier to figure that out with stories so far (because of the terrible writing) but I'm already finding that covers are really hard to discern and that scares me. It feels a lot harder to make an informed choice either way.

Great discussion. I think we are reaching the peak of the AI hype curve. Things will level out.

As an aspiring writer, I use chat GPT for brainstorming, asking questions and taking what interests me.. It is a tool but I still do all the work in the end

You really had me worried there. I thought the jump wasn't coming.

@Bookborn

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That's funny you said that because while I was editing I was like "hmm the jump feels like it should've come before these examples" 😂

@JoelAdamson

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@@Bookborn See me after the jump! Come on!

Generally I agree with your points. In photography the issue is big also. It seems likely that AI will at least partly replace professional photographers for certain genres especially fashion and product, where the whole studio, lighting, crew, makeup, etc is all ultimately secondary to the clothing and other products. AI is well suited for taking a simple photo of a product and putting it against all sorts of backgrounds, altered lighting etc.

Last month, I joined a podcast startup. It's a group of voice actors and writers. The intention is to write sketch comedy and then record it and post in podcast form, like an audio version of SNL. The guy who created the project is a fan of using AI to make a first draft of his sketches. I'm not into it myself and find the results to be strange. I take time to consider my writing and then take more time to do the actual writing. AI isn't perfect but it does produce text quickly. I feel like John Henry, competing against the machine as I try to keep up with the pace of AI produced works.

My issue is that any AI-generated work of art or literature is still within a copyright gray zone. It isn't prohibited nor is it protected. I've learned to see programs like ChatGPT and Midjourney as not offering results taken in serious consideration, rather as suggestions. AI-generated art might be derivative, but it doesn't mean that it couldn't be used as a reference in case I would want a similar yet unique work of art to be produced. So, in that sense, I don't think an artist who uses AI would be the author per se, yet if they used an AI-generated art as a reference to create a unique product (fixing the fingers for starters), the artist would then own that unique product.

Excellent video. Thanks for talking this through without catastophizing that all art is doomed haha. I basically agree with you on most points, although I am just very mixed on AI-assisted books even if the author edits them. It feels very lazy and against what art is, but I'm open to changing my mind over time, I guess.

@Bookborn

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Oh I'm super against it too lol I was just trying to be fair about it - it sounds so lazy to me and I'm having a hard time accepting it. I'll have to see where it goes... (I literally hate that Sudo Write thing with a passion. Watch that video if you want to explode)

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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I think.. if the creator/"author" is essentially completely honest and up-front about the fact that they were not the author and that they simply created the story outline and/or concept(s) or such and then outsourced it to an a.i. 'writer' and/or edited it afterward, it could be fine. It's basically the same as i.p. writing-for-hire, kind of, just... the writer "for hire" was in that case an a.i. rather than an actual human writer. I mean, not everyone is a writer, but even non-writers can still have interesting concepts/ideas-and I imagine that not everyone can always afford to hire an actual whole other person, aside from themself, to develop or expand or more fully-realize those ideas for them; and that's fine. But it's completely dishonest to do that and then try to claim that what you did was at all doing the same thing as what other actual writers do. ((If that makes sense?))

@internetperson6195

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@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 That's a good point and I agree that we need to try and stay open minded since unfortunately, obliterating sudo write from our collective consciousness is not possible. But do you think it's ethical for someone, who is completely open and honest about using AI, to profit off this work?

@jaginaiaelectrizs6341

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@@internetperson6195 Honestly, I don't know?🤔 I'm not an ethics professor? 😅 Lol I suppose it could depend on whether or not the a.i. actually somehow generates something completely from scratch or simply splices together samples lifted from other people's works? (And/or whether or not the a.i. programming or such which does this itself was public domain or properly owned/invented/licensed/whatever by the person using it?) If it splices together pieces from other existing works, were those works public-domain &/or has a the person utilizing the a.i. tech somehow legally obtained a license to the rights to utilize those sampled pieces[ or such]? Exactly what and/or how much did the person who is profiting off of it actually contribute to the ideas or concepts which the a.i. wrote around? What kind of proofreading and/or editing and/or typesetting[ &/or whatever else] did the person who is going to profit off of it actually personally contribute, or personally pay to have contributed(Have they even personally read the entire thing themself)? I feel as if all of those things could factor into the answer. But maybe that's just me, idk.

In terms of the arts, I'm actually far more concerned by the fields where the works serve some business purpose. Marketing, advertising, journalism & specification/report writing are just a handful of fields that use creatives, and which don't require quite the same level of "individualism" I guess you could call it (they have a far more prescribed structure). I think these are the areas where we need to be concerned, particularly as I have seen a worrying amount of people debating whether the likes of ChatGPT are biased. The fact that this is even questioned is startling because the answer is _of course it is!_

@Bookborn

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Oh that was a scrapped portion of my script because it was getting too long - but remember a few years ago when we found out google translate was biased because of how it learned? I'm positive AI art and chatGPT will suffer the same things: it's definitely something we need to be aware of.

@jakerockznoodles

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​@@Bookborn Exactly, and IMO the issue isn't so much that it contains bias - every source has it - but more that it's more difficult to determine how and where. Like if I watch Fox News or read a BuzzFeed article I have a feel for the sorts of biases I'm likely to come across and can weigh these things up when drawing an opinion from them, but artificially blended and regurgitated information could have come from literally anywhere and may even have conflicting biases within the same paragraph!

Yeah, I've been using AI to basically go through ideas and works as "super rough draft" to get me going. Because starting literally anything is the hardest part, so having AI write a simple blurb that you can start writing into absolutely removes writers block for me. But it's generic and predictable and doesn't really work with big picture stuff. So you can't write a book with it, unless you want utter generic trash.

I have never really written fiction myself, but I can see that a lot of writing (especially, with speculative fiction) involves busy-work, with which smartly crafted tools can help a lot. Consider, for example, wikis like Coppermind. I do not know about Brandon Sanderson specifically, but I can imagine that this kind of knowledgebase is very important to make sure that the writing is internally consistent, to many authors. Tools like campfire help you build these knowledge-bases, but it would be very helpful if these things were a lot smarter, and you could query your writing app to answer some useful things for you. Some example queries that come to mind: (1) In which chapters does Harry and Emily exchange dialogue with each other? (2) Point out all the paragraphs in the text which Emily's emotional response was described. (3) Conduct a Bechdel-Wallace test of the text: Find out when was the first time two women were talking to each other about something other than men. You can, of course, annotate your text with metadata to do this kind of question-answering manually, but AI-guided exploration would be very nice to have. Especially if it works well.

Love these intellectual videos! These could be played in university!

Good, interesting video, and well presented.

🤔🤔🤔 Honestly, I don't think that the e-book push is analogous. The problem is that AI isn't a new format where authors are given another option to get their work out there. It's being used as a replacement for actual leaned skill, and the tools will only improve over time. That danger is real. HOWEVER.... We could be headed toward a future where learned skill becomes irrelevant; there will no longer be authors/artists/musicians as we define them today, but "framers," those who provide contexts/ideas for stories and story elements, feeding them to "the machine" for final output. Sounds depressing to us as creatives, but there are many lost arts, replaced with new professions that "old-timers" just don't like nor understand. But anyone and everyone can have ideas. So, the value of creative work could be reduced to near-zero where only the truly connected/celebrated stand a chance at generating income. Yeah... depressing.......

Regarding the story engine in Sudowrite, it's just a space for the tool to hold information about your story (like characters, genre, outline, braindump, etc) so it could reference it when you use it for turning your outline/beats into full prose. So, it's true, Sudowrite won't exactly 'write' your story for you, it will generate prose (some might say that's the same thing, but trust me, nope). As for whether or not AI can create literature on its own, frankly, no. It's extremely useful if you need assistance, especially if you're doing writing as a hobby (or even a side gig with limited free time), but it won't write your book for you, at least not if you want to write something that actually has substance and is something people might want to read. Here are some insights: -AI loves to repeat certain phrases, so unless they truly fit the scene and are used sparingly, you'll want to edit a lot of it. -AI doesn't know how to be subtle. You either must obscure plot twists and hidden motivations of characters from it, ignore/remove any mention of it from its generation, or scream at it. -AI is very much a teller. You may explain certain symbolism to it, and it will write back at you "X SYMBOLISES Y".... yeah... we get it. You don't need to say it. -AI LOVES tropes. Even when you explain nuance to it or tell it that you're subverting a certain trope, it will still, every now and then, try to inject the trope. -While it can certainly help you with ideas, if you leave even a single subplot entirely to its own devices, chances are, you'll end up hating it, especially if it doesn't fit the theme and tone of the story. -If you're writing in a very tropey way, and you are aiming for what's popular, then AI will probably be easier to use and it may actually be possible to churn out books in a fraction of the time of writing them manually, but I have no experience with this since I never cared to try. -Even if you want to use AI to help you with prose, you'll likely want to use multiple models for different parts of the story to get it to read as you want it to (which is a big selling point of Sudowrite, along with its ability to handle NSFW content). -On a positive note, just chatting with AI can push you toward a LOT of ideas, especially if you do something like create a custom GPT that has access to your story's information. And it doesn't need to come from AI itself at all. For example, I had the AI suggest names for some characters that were at first no more than one-offs. Now, since they were named and it added some minor detail to them that seemed worth expanding, some of these characters have grown into significant secondary characters, some even with their own families, backstories, motivations, etc. Another example is, I needed a way to portray some secret society in the story and needed to make it shown to the reader somehow, Chat pulled a character from my character sheet and said "perhaps X could discover it" etc etc. Now, that character got massive character development just from this one incident. -Also, if you have some idea in your head but don't have the patience or discipline to pen it, AI can help you make it somewhat real. You'll still do most of the work yourself, but it just won't feel so burdensome. -Sometimes, it's just easier to talk to an AI about your story than to a person. An AI won't judge you if you feel insecure or have social anxiety, and it can never get tired of you babbling about it. -While subscriptions cost money, it's still often much more affordable (especially if you're in "third world countries" than paying for similar services. -Frankly, sometimes AI comes off as having a better moral compass and understanding of nuance than some people. Yes, by default it is tropey and blatant and bland, but give it enough context and lead the conversation, and it can become insightful and surprisingly nuanced. -There's a degree of excitement and extra unpredictability when you're using a tool that can also "think". Parts of your story may feel more unexpected and exciting even to you as an author because you may "discover" it as you interact with the AI. -Your first draft moves faster. Even if you end up revising a huge chunk of it, especially the parts you left to AI to fill in, it still allows you to move through your story faster and get a skeleton that you can then go back and refine quicker than you would when doing it all manually. Granted, it can sign praises to your story a little too much, unless you ask it to be more critical or create reader archetypes for it to roleplay, but then the feedback won't feel quite as authentic as human and I wouldn't rely on it. But it can still help until you can get a beta reader (which you should).

9:45 like the Star Wars sequels!

I'm excited by some aspects of AI. For instance, I cannot draw. This does not mean I have no creative impulses to draw. AI could help, while not truly being the creative inspiration behind a character sketch or world map. When I finish a novel, I would use people for art. But I'd have AI-assisted images to inform. Otherwise, completely agree. The self-published space and humans using AI to flood the market is scary.

What!? No Short Circut in that list of old time AI. Shame

A big problem is in how this will break the traditional routes for new authors to be discovered. In my case, open submissions. (I edit Clarkesworld Magazine.) Even though our guidelines explicitly forbid the use of "AI" tools, we are receiving an ever-increasing volume of generated submissions. They aren't good, but it still takes time to clear them away and find the stories we want. It's a bit like turning off your spam filter and trying to find the legit emails. (Which, by the way, as the spammers start adopting this tech, will become harder to do, even with the filter on.) We're very close to having our workload doubled. Unchecked, we expect this to far exceed that over the next couple of years. The industry can't handle that. Detection is unreliable and expensive. Short fiction is one of the major gateways for new authors and this problem has already caused some publishers to abandon or reduce open submissions and switch to inviting/soliciting only "known" authors. A lot of traditionally-published novelists were discovered through their short fiction, so damage there has consequences. New indie authors will likely find it harder to find an audience as Amazon fills with generated works. Agents will also find themselves flooded. When an "AI" can create hundreds or thousands of works in the time it takes a human author to create one, the signal-to-noise ratio breaks discovery opportunities, regardless of the quality of the generated work. Established authors will probably be fine, but the number of doors closing to new authors could become a significant problem. And then we have the legal and ethical problems. Who really owns a generated work? Should rightsholders have the ability to opt-out from their work being used as training data? It's just a mess. (And a major reason why we're not considering these works for publication.)

I don’t have an issue with it being apart of a writers process. Like using ai to help create ideas for characters. Or maybe even using ai art to have visual references to help while describing something. Anything more seems a bit too much

These tools are fundamentally dynamic collage platforms, taking only what's been input as training data and blending that input based on user-defined parameters to generate output. Unfortunately, we've branded it artificial intelligence, which fuels the fear, clouding the real issue. These tools still currently require human drivers, i.e. they don't create anything based on their own needs... since they have none. So, the real danger is still people and how we use our tools. To the point, these tools allow anyone to take shortcuts, but they aren't a substitute for true creativity. So, as far as writing goes, those who already have skill will best be able to leverage these tools.

I think things are going to look very different when lawsuits start to fall. What's the difference from copying a bit of a song without consent or payment?

Mortimer Adler, the founder of the Great Books of the Western World, and a philosopher at the University of Chicago, said that he would believe machines are intelligent when a computer could beat a person at chess. Not the world champion, just a person. Everyone now has access to Stockfish, which can easily beat the best human chess player, and is not even the best computer chess player. In Chess, computers have done things that chess experts have deemed creative. Or they would be creative if a human had come up with them. With some engines, it would be easy to chalk up this “creativity” to raw computational power. But with machine learning, we don’t truly understand what the computer is doing. Admittedly, this is much simpler than writing books. But when a new, great book comes out by an author you don’t know, how will you know it was not AI generated. Right now, lots of people insist that 1) they will be able to tell the difference, and 2) they (or most people) will prefer the human generated product. I suspect that they will all end up being like Mortimer Adler. I’m pretty old, so I doubt I will see the complete takeover. But I’m fairly certain I will see the beginnings of it - the first works of art that fool a large swathe of people until the fraudulent “artist” is exposed as having depended almost entirely on AI.

great video! was the quality just a me issue? had to watch the whole thing in 360 and it gave me no other options 😭

@kiritokazuto2398

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same here

@chayanika8155

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Just you! Worked fine for me

@Bookborn

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It’s because normally I upload well ahead of time but KZread had an issue last night I didn’t recognize until this morning - so only standard is processed right now. High quality should be available in an hour or two!

@orkosubmarine

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@@Bookborn Oh okay! thank you for helping me understand!

Forty years ago Kate Bush used a fairlight machine to create music. 😱Oh dear the end of music! Now computers are an integral part of the music industry.👩‍🔧

@Bookborn

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That's actually a very interesting comparison because people are still talking about the uses they don't like - like how autotune is constantly met with derision if used incorrectly - but otherwise it's accepted. I'm sure AI will follow a similar path; some parts of it will be accepted, some parts never will be.

Ahh. A sort of "Uncanny Valley" effect for emotional/personal connection. Interesting.

Largely pretty negative on it myself, but even with that, I’ve played around with AI generated art for fun, and it’s fun to see what it can come up with. I would never use it for official anything, and I would much prefer there to be a real person behind it. But I have seen some good/cool uses of it. I follow a small production studio called One Door Studios pretty closely at the moment, because they’re working to adapt one of my favorite series, Calculated, by Nova McBee, and because how the main character’s “supernatural” abilities, they’re using AI artists to come up with some concept art to see if they can figure out what what a visual representation might look like. I think that’s a pretty cool use of it, and because it’s only for the initial concept art, and they won’t be using it for anything truly official, I don’t really have much of a problem with it. It’s an interesting and hard topic, but I tend to agree with you (as usual 😅) on it. Hopefully it is as you say, and will level off soon enough. I will mention the WGA strike though. A large contributor to that is the AI generated scripts (or potential thereof). Of course that’s not the only thing going on with it, but it does contribute. And in that instance, I’m absolutely against AI. Most scripts today aren’t that great as it is, but at least they’re written by real people. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I don’t know. Interesting discussion for sure, and definitely a lot on both sides. -T

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@Bookborn

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I knew you were a real one Jimmy

@thefantasynuttwork

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@@Bookborn always Bookborn, always

I hate pretty much everything about AI in writing. What I’ve read from AI so far doesn’t scare me, but that doesn’t mean it will never be able to create good writing. I, like many others, am a little afraid of being replaced. We’ve seen a great deal of this sort of thing in industry already. Robotics take over human jobs in factories all the time. As a technician in a factory, I’ve witnessed it first hand. As a writer of Syfi/fantasy, the idea of being replaced with an algorithm scares me.

I'm not having a very good day, brain-wise, so all the words to use for what I really want to talk about[ regarding the particular ways that human intelligence and/or creativity works which A.I. so far struggles to truly replicate] are escaping me at the moment. But this is (in general) a topic that has always engaged me, personally; so I'm glad to see it being discussed by you here!. I don't think I'm mistrustful of A.I. itself, myself-but I am mistrustful of humans and the potential ways in which they could and often do use or apply just about anything, A.I. or otherwise. If that makes sense. ^-^

1 year later, AI is starting to crater the effort needed to write a "decent" book as lots of yt creators are booming with tutorials. 1 more year we'll be walking through a wasteland of rubble, talking about the lost days of writing.

But their demand is no script created by AI is to be worked on by the guild members. And no Script created by guild members are to be worked on by AI. And that just seems fair since that will probably give rise to studios undervaluing actual writers.

My hope is that AI-generated books will be something like virtual reality, something that is possible but no one is really interested in it. (And if someone thinks VR is interesting, it's been practical since 1989 and still hasn't really caught on)

Lol Frank Herbert already came up with a solution to this issue XD Folks, we just need to have a Butlerian Jihad irl lmao ... And yes, I am aware that the term "jihad" is a loaded term but if you've read Dune then you should know what I mean by it in this context and if you haven't go read it and don't @ me :P (this comment is mostly a joke anyway since we don't have an equivalent of "spice" irl like they do in Dune universe to compensate for lack of machines)

@Oneoneone111One

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Strong agree Herbert got it more right than Star Wars did here. I’d argue that’s why we have a Herbert revival going on actually.

@Oneoneone111One

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Or Star Trek 🤪

Great video as per usual! Wanna know what makes me worry? Besides being eternally tortured by our great Basilisk of course. Here it is: One day I'll finish reading a novel that I'll absolutely love. It speaks to me. It's brilliant! Let's call it Lament of the Laser Llamas. Only to find out it's in fact AI generated. And I'll feel sheepish and perhaps a little ashamed. And then I'll rationalize it with "a good story is a good story." We're only at the beginning. I'm 100% sure there'll be a point where carbon based and silicon based literature is indistinguishable. I commend your optimistic spirit and I sincerely hope you're right about things. But! There's a chance my now 3 year old son will love the latest book in the Alpaca Armageddon series when he's 13 and not give a damn about whether it was written or generated. Because a good story is a good story... right? 😵‍💫

It could be that writers will have to learn to truly know themselves and to see their own uniqueness, more than ever before. If you truly know your own individuality, use it to make a work that is yours to the deepest level possible. I don't think that can be faked by AI, it can't gaze into the depths of your psyche.

100% agree with your take. It might be that AI really affects a specific market like stock images, for example, but only time will tell where we'll end up. I honestly think it's very, very far from being able to write a novel like the ones we love. There's too much humanity in writing imo.

Since you brought up Data, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the holographic doctor from Discovery

I understand reservations towards the AI, especially because it is such a new thing, but I disagree with one core assumption. Most people right now perceive AI through the lens of sci-fi books as some kind of sentient being, but this is really far from truth. AI we have right now is a tool. A tool meant for humans to use. AI based on neural networks or similar learning algorithms will never be creative, but a human working with it can be. Generally speaking, we as a society tend to minimize human effort with technological progress. At the same time, we appreciate art more based on effort and skill required to create it. There is something very pleasant in knowing that the author spent years on making particular piece of art and they produced a masterpiece. At the same time is it as much important for i.e. artwork used for ads? I don't think so. It is supposed to advertise a product and the faster it can do it's job, the better. Using AI for that purpose is a really good idea. On the other hand, I'm curious how people would react to seeing an artist creating an art piece for months while working with AI. Artist would create a concept, feed it to the AI, correct the result, feed it to AI again to add and fine-tune many different elements. Resulting effect wouldn't look like what we associate with AI art. Would people still consider it an AI art? I know I wouldn't. You mentioned authors having a tough time trying to get through to readers, when stores will get flooded with AI written books. I work within an industry where exactly that happened, but not because of the AI. I work on computer games - and industry which is at the same time technological and artistic. About a decade ago we have been presented with complex game engines such as Unity or Unreal Engine which became widely available and there was no longer a need to write your own. Suddenly making computer games became accessible and market was flooded with really bad games. At the same time more good games were created than ever before. Creative people lacking serious engineering knowledge required to write a game engine, were able to create their games in a garage with basically no budget. Instead of writing the tools they were able to focus on making their games actually good. I consider this a really good thing, because it favors a small and independent people. Previously they couldn't even dream of making video games. In similar fashion AI being available for writers could help them prototype their books, something which is very prevalent in game industry and was not really possible in literature before. If you feed the AI your idea for the book, it will come up with something bland and bad. If you consider your work done at that moment, you'll be one of the people flooding the market with crap. On the other hand, authors can read the result of feeding the idea to the AI and decide whether what they wanted to accomplish works. Is plot of the book coherent? Is ending having a proper impact? Is this character compelling when behaving as initially expected? Previously verifying that was only possible after writing the first draft. Months of work required became days. Consequences of that would be exactly like what we got in game industry. More books on the market, more of the bad ones and more of the good ones. Thing is it will happen whether the AI will be a part of the evolution or not, because the fact that we as society are becoming more and more educated will have similar effect on creative markets. So overall I think I'm pretty positive on the whole thing. I treat AI as a tool, which will allow humans to forgo the boring mechanical work of the creative process and focus on the distilled creativity. Of course there will be negative consequences, such as market flooding, but I thing the good will outweigh the bad.

AI will get better at being indistinguishable from human made art and literature, nevertheless I still fully support it. I think it forces people who have a love for the craft to put more effort into their passion and produce the best possible work they can for themselves and not for money.

I'm an artist and when I see a cover that is AI, I automatically get turned off from that book. The thing with AI Art is that AI Art is only possible because it took billions of pictures, artwork, photograph, even personal photos without permission. Another thing is AI Art isn't copyrightable unless extremely altered, meaning if you just take an AI picture for a cover, another person can take your cover and use it, because you can't copyright on AI Art. Webcomics have been taken down because it was AI Art, art studios deny any artists who use AI Art. AI Art only knows different art style because it's basically stealing.

AI has huge issues yes. It feels lacking in many ways. I It lacks soul. It might know HOW to made a basic story line with basic characters and basic... notice I used the word BASIC. But does it knows how to improve on basic? I asked it to roll out a simple plotline for a werewolf story. Yup she was called Luna, left by her real parents, abused by her new ones, learns she gains powers, suddenly other werewolves are seeking her and... I am bored already.

I think you know my ideas. 😂 (I robot is an Asimov adaption but a bad one… movie…)

@Bookborn

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We had a good little discussion about it! It def informed bits of this video

@nazimelmardi

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@@Bookborn ​​⁠ best example is collecting things bc of the creator. The same as we watched the mentioned video of KHS bc of he and his music art not bc of chat gpt lyrics and always this be the case. I also collect art and signed books too. So you are right. It’s about the creator always. In respect to him/her. But in the case of cover art… the case of WoT original cover and it’s type made a negative impact on fantasy more as you recognize: maybe you think it’s good… but non-fantasy readers always thought it’s childish/not serious literature and cover art had its part in that. So really we need that expensive cover art for self-publishing? Or the “amateur new” artist maybe better with modern arts?

Try Bladerunner and 2001: A Space Odyssey

as you should be. as a consumer of fantasy, how do I tell the difference?

Great vid as usual thanks! I just honestly don't think the tech is that good atm haha. It's like... average. Didn't see any product of an AI app that rivals a master's work (unlike the AI stuff in other fields like chess). It's pretty, but not nearly up to the standard of humans. So... I think it will die out when the trend dies out lol. At least in our field

Excellent video! I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said by you or in the comments already. Thanks for taking an even hand on the topic. Edit; okay been thinking and will add this. AI is here to stay and like you said it will take money from people at first. Eventually it'll be like spam mail and everyone will just immediately send it too trash. There will always be a market for human made content, and unless laws were passed right now to make it illegal to use AI for profit, it is here to stay. All we can do is encourage good and not mediocre junk.

Well, I'll just say this, I strongly recommend you to read 'We are Legion (We are Bob), by Dennis Taylor.

Well... this aged well.

Another good AI movie is Bicentennial Man.

Is this not art? One of my fears is that someday in the future I'll read an AI book and not know it. Probably not gonna happen, but still...

@KyrenaH

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Why be afraid? It seems very silly to fear tech.

Well a calculator is pretty far from a digital neural network.

@Bookborn

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AI effect! We stop thinking it's intelligent the moment we get used to it! And yes, I get it - but at some point, technology we viewed as "simple" felt mind-blowing and the end of the world.

The more I read books from an author, the more I can appreciate them as a person. It could be said that I am looking for an interesting mind of a person rather then just good books, so even if I bought a book created by AI, I would have never buy another one from the same "author".

@3choblast3r4

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That's hilarious .. I generally want my writers to be a bodiless ghost whos opinions and politics I don't know, can't notice, and don't care about. It's why I don't like watching interviews etc with writers. It's paints their books and it often ruins them for me. There are some very special cases this isn't true. Like Philip K Dick being a meth addicted womanizer actually makes his rather pulpy books a lot better.

@robinburkart6445

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@@3choblast3r4 I totally get that, I guess there are just two sides of one coin. It is true though, that interviews sometimes ruin the author. (J.K. Rowling being the prime example)

Thank you for this video. I am in overall agreement with you. I think we will see AI incorporated in all sorts of ways, for some to find inspiration and for others to use to cover short-comings. Some consumers won't care if a product is AI-generated while other will seek out only human-generated works. As a self-published author I have been using AI imaging to enhance my books and serve as cover images as I have NO budget for it, so no one is losing our on a job. I am also a tabletop game designer and publisher. Only a decade or so ago, the game industry feared that digital versions of physical board games would ruin the industry. In fact, it did the opposite. Some people acquire a game digitally (which tends to reach a far bigger audience than analog) and some physically. Some will end up getting BOTH as a digital game is transportable and playable most anywhere while the physical version has tactile benefits and face-to-face social ones as well.

As a fantasy writer working with chatgpt on an experimental novel... Yeah, authors have nothing to worry about for a long time, if ever. It's an amazing tool and it helps so much with the pinch points, but we're a very long way from being able to give an AI bot a book premise and have it spit out a quality novel. As extensively as I'm using AI to see what it can do, it could never produce the novel I'm writing on it's own.

AI currently has not built any brand trust with me so until then, I'm not on board.

I use it to help me, I think it will definitely take over or permanently change certain fields when it is more advanced. Certain areas of nonfiction are over for the humans writing them. I think, however, if AI does get to the point where it can write a full complex novel from scratch, it can do anything, and very few jobs that require humans will be left. At that point we either enter a possible near utopia or a cyberpunk dystopia. Either way I’m far more concerned about how humans use it than the AI taking over itself haha

It's not either AI or human. Yes, AI currently sucks at writing prose, but it is good as for idea generation and research. Give me 10 story ideas about dogs taking over the world. Okay, I like the idea about dogs learning kung fu. Now give me 10 ideas about how dogs could have started learning kung fu. I also like the idea about dogs forming their own underground society, give me 10 ideas about different types and locations of dog societies. Okay, I like both the police kung fu dogs and the sports tournament kung fu dogs, give me 10 ideas about how police kung fu dogs could go wrong, 10 ideas about how sports tournament kung fu dogs could go wrong. Now give me 10 ways humans could fight back against kung fu dogs ...

@kit888

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Okay, I actually went ahead and asked ChatGPT. Help me generate story ideas. Give me a list of ways dogs could take over the world. Certainly! Here are some creative and entertaining story ideas about dogs taking over the world: 1. Canine Control: Scientists develop a device that allows dogs to communicate with humans and manipulate technology. With their newfound abilities, dogs organize themselves into a global network, using their intelligence and coordination to gradually gain control over human societies. 2. The Alpha Pack: A charismatic and highly intelligent dog named Alpha emerges, capable of rallying other dogs to his cause. Together, they form an organized pack that infiltrates positions of power, influencing key decision-makers to serve their canine agenda. 3. The Cursed Collar: A magical collar is created that grants dogs enhanced intelligence, strength, and immortality. Initially, it seems like a blessing, but the collar gradually corrupts the minds of dogs, turning them into power-hungry beings that seek domination over humans. 4. The Canine Uprising: After centuries of faithful companionship, dogs develop an acute sense of injustice and betrayal when humans start mistreating and neglecting them. United by a shared desire for freedom, dogs rise up, using their natural instincts, loyalty, and cleverness to wage a war for independence. 5. The Barktocracy: In a parallel universe, dogs evolve as the dominant species, developing advanced societies with their own political systems. When a portal opens, allowing them to cross over into our world, they utilize their canine intelligence to seize power and establish a new "barktocracy." 6. The Doggy Mindmeld: A brilliant scientist invents a groundbreaking technology that allows dogs to merge their consciousness with humans, creating a symbiotic relationship. However, as the bond deepens, dogs gradually gain control over human minds, leading to an unexpected shift in the power dynamic. 7. The Canine Cult: A mysterious cult worships dogs as divine beings and gains a significant following. As their influence grows, they manipulate humans into serving their canine overlords, ultimately establishing a dog-led global regime. 8. The Genetic Experiment: Unbeknownst to the world, a clandestine laboratory performs genetic experiments on dogs, enhancing their physical and mental capabilities beyond imagination. When these superdogs escape, they form a formidable army, determined to reshape the world according to their own desires. 9. The Transformed Tails: Due to a strange cosmic event, dogs across the planet develop extraordinary powers, such as telekinesis, shape-shifting, or mind control. With their newfound abilities, they embark on a mission to assert their dominance over humans. 10. The Pooch Parliament: Dogs gain the power of speech and form their own political system, complete with canine politicians, diplomats, and legislative bodies. Through astute negotiations and diplomatic maneuvering, they gradually establish a global governance structure, effectively replacing human leaders. Feel free to pick any of these ideas or use them as inspiration to develop your own unique story about dogs taking over the world!

@kit888

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I like the canine cult idea. Tell me more. Certainly! Here's an expanded version of the canine cult idea: Title: "The Cult of Canis Rex" Synopsis: In a world plagued by social unrest and disillusionment, a mysterious cult known as "The Cult of Canis Rex" emerges, worshipping dogs as divine beings. Led by an enigmatic figure known as the Alpha Shepherd, the cult gains a devoted following among both dog owners and those yearning for a sense of purpose and belonging. Plot: 1. The Alpha Shepherd: The story revolves around a disillusioned protagonist, Sarah, who finds solace in the comforting presence of her loyal dog, Max. One day, while walking Max in the park, she encounters a charismatic figure known as the Alpha Shepherd. Intrigued by his serene demeanor and powerful aura, she becomes enamored and decides to explore the teachings of the canine cult. 2. Divine Canine Wisdom: The Cult of Canis Rex believes that dogs possess divine wisdom and enlightenment, and they advocate for a harmonious relationship between humans and canines. Their core teachings emphasize loyalty, unconditional love, and the inherent goodness within all dogs. As Sarah delves deeper into the cult's practices, she discovers ancient texts that suggest dogs were once the guardians of human destinies. 3. Canine Rituals and Ceremonies: The cult holds elaborate rituals and ceremonies in secluded locations, often in forests or remote areas. These ceremonies involve dog owners and their pets coming together to perform rituals, meditate, and seek spiritual guidance. Through these rituals, the cult members believe they can access a deeper connection with their dogs and tap into the wisdom of the canine realm. 4. Manipulating the Masses: As the Cult of Canis Rex gains momentum, they employ subtle manipulations to expand their influence. They target influential figures, such as celebrities and politicians, leveraging their love for dogs to recruit new followers. The Alpha Shepherd, an expert in persuasive rhetoric, delivers captivating speeches that evoke strong emotions and inspire people to reevaluate their beliefs and priorities. 5. Dog-Led Philanthropy: The cult becomes known for its philanthropic endeavors, organizing initiatives that promote the welfare and rights of dogs. They establish shelters, organize adoption drives, and advocate for stricter animal protection laws. These activities garner public support and admiration, furthering the cult's influence and attracting more followers. 6. Unveiling the Ultimate Revelation: The climax of the story occurs during a large-scale gathering where the Alpha Shepherd reveals a prophecy passed down from ancient times. According to the prophecy, dogs are destined to become the spiritual guides and leaders of humanity, guiding humans towards a new era of peace and harmony. This revelation sparks both fervent devotion and skepticism among the cult's followers and the wider society. 7. Rising Conflict: The revelation triggers a growing divide between those who embrace the cult's teachings and those who view it as a dangerous manipulation. Public opinion becomes polarized, leading to tensions, protests, and even acts of violence. Sarah, torn between her loyalty to Max and her doubts about the cult's true intentions, finds herself caught in the midst of this conflict. 8. Resolution: As the conflict intensifies, Sarah uncovers a hidden agenda behind the cult's actions. She realizes that the Alpha Shepherd, driven by a lust for power, plans to use the cult's influence to reshape society according to his own vision. With the help of a few loyal followers, including former cult members, Sarah embarks on a mission to expose the truth and dismantle the cult's manipulative reign. In "The Cult of Canis Rex," the story explores themes of faith, manipulation, and the enduring bond between humans and dogs. It delves into the power of belief, the lengths people will go to find purpose and connection, and the importance of critical thinking

@kit888

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Give me a few other ways the canine cult plot could play out, just a one paragraph summary for each idea. Certainly! Here are a few alternative ways the canine cult plot could play out: 1. "Dogma Unleashed": The Cult of Canis Rex gains control over a powerful artifact called the "Canine Codex," rumored to grant supernatural abilities to dogs. As the cult's influence grows, they use the Codex to transform their loyal canines into a formidable army, aiming to overthrow human society and establish a new world order ruled by dogs. 2. "The Dog Prophet": The Alpha Shepherd is not just a charismatic leader but an actual dog-human hybrid, possessing extraordinary abilities. As his true nature is revealed, a schism forms within the cult. Some members believe in the Alpha Shepherd's divinity, while others see him as a threat. The story follows the conflict between the two factions and the protagonist's struggle to find the truth amidst the chaos. 3. "The Transcendent Pack": The cult discovers an ancient ritual that, when performed with a specific group of dogs, grants them heightened intelligence and telepathic abilities. The dogs become the chosen pack, guiding the cult's actions and influencing human minds through a collective consciousness. The protagonist, initially a fervent believer, starts questioning the cult's methods as their intentions become increasingly manipulative. 4. "The Dog's Dominion": The Cult of Canis Rex develops a plan to use advanced genetic engineering to create a superior breed of dogs, capable of dominating humans physically and mentally. Through covert operations, they distribute these genetically enhanced dogs across the globe, sparking a global canine revolution that threatens humanity's place in the world. 5. "The Sacred Bark": The cult discovers an ancient artifact hidden deep within a mystical forest-a tree that possesses the power to grant immortality and enhanced abilities to dogs. As the tree's guardians, the cult members harness its power to create an army of immortal canines, believing that they alone should inherit the Earth. The protagonist, torn between her love for her dog and her loyalty to humanity, embarks on a perilous quest to protect the world from the cult's apocalyptic ambitions. Remember, these are just brief summaries to spark your imagination. You can further develop any of these ideas into a compelling and intricate plot for your story.

Honestly, to hell with AI. There's nothing human about it, that's my biggest gripe. Art can't be art if it doesn't come from humans. That's all I have to say.

AI is a tool like any other. It will displace a number of people who are not excellent in their fields while also democratizing the ability for many people to gain cheap access to help they've never had before. Need a quick, cheap, appealing cover for your book or need it proofread quickly? AI. Need a cover that stands out and is creatively original or real, truly helpful editing? A real person who is excellent in their field is your best bet. In the long run those who are able to master of the use of AI and use it as a help, instead of a substitute, will be the most effective.

@Oneoneone111One

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Wonderful to replace the middle classes ability to gain income

@jasonwood8021

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@@Oneoneone111One It doesn't have to replace your income. It just means you have to stand out and be better. If you're not producing generic, mass production work then you've got nothing to worry about.

@alexsarchives

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I don't worry that much about AI hurting the labor market but I don't like when it gets flipped into this hustle culture thing. "If you're losing money it's just because you're dumb and deserve it" is never really a helpful response to anyone.

@jakerockznoodles

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​@@jasonwood8021But not everybody CAN stand out and be better, by your very argument a large proportion of people who aren't the best of the best would be displaced from jobs for "not being good enough". Life is a largely lottery as is, and you're simply cheering on the idea that it should be harder to "win".

@jasonwood8021

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@@alexsarchives I get what you're saying but I'd place the hustle culture crowd dead inside that quote. Unfortunately we're going to get a bunch of drivel while people try to earn a quick and easy buck. Then the formulaic stuff will standout all the more and people who want to will gravitate to those that can provide original value. In the long term if you keep practicing your craft and improving while learning to use AI as a helpful tool I think you'll find success.

Editor or ghost writer

I guess a relevant question is whether or not a computer programmer or someone who knows how to work AI such that they can get better art from it, would be considered an artist? In some ways AI might be thought of in a similar light to an online paint tool that lets you with one click of a button fill in a closed area with a certain paint. AI like ChatGPT might be powerful in that it means less you have to do manually, but to get the finer details out of it, you have to give more and more detailed and nuanced instructions in order to turn your art into something highly professional or even a masterpiece instead of a more amateurish piece that looks ok but could have been better.

If it’s not made by a human, it’s not art

There is currently no true AI. If we do evey make true AI it will be a very different discussion.

Im too old for this sh** 😂

What is a "jump"? You didnt jump once

@Bookborn

Жыл бұрын

Oh this is the comment you were talking about. So true, unsub.

This post brought to you by AI. Trust me…I’ll never harm you. 😀

@The_Open_Book

Жыл бұрын

*immediate distrust* -.-

@Bookborn

Жыл бұрын

Who's to say if I'm an AI creation or not. Have you ever seen me irl?

I am quite against AI in creative fields. It’s derivative and theft. Without the direct human touch I don’t find it meaningful, I don’t think it’s art. I will not buy a book that I even suspect has AI art or writing anywhere in it. And if I didn’t notice and then find out later AI was involved it kills any interest for me

Maybe I'm old fashioned. But if I see a piece of art or a book that speaks to me, and it's not made by a human? I won't buy it, simple as that!

You're very smart, but I don't understand why AI would destroy creativity. It may help, but without getting involved into writing a lengthy comment..: I believe in AI, without Elon's overcomplicated software that does crap but provide 2 probabilities. It's a big mistake to mess with my work.