Thanks for watching! Obviously this is all just a bit of fun. Couple of points: • You'll realise that the result of who opened the doc first was the same as who printed first, so this isn't really a race of printers & the printer part is actually moot (but fun nostalgia.) • I just used the printers I have here but remember they were slow as they were both set to high quality. • I should also point out the Mac turned out to have FileVault encryption on, as it is by default, which may have slowed it a bit. But this was a real world test and actually that's an interesting commentary on over-complicated modern features. Back in the day we just locked our floppy in a box! (Sounds painful!) Your friend in retro, Perifractic

@thecaptain2281

4 жыл бұрын

LOL@"locked our floppy in a box"!

@HoppiHopp

4 жыл бұрын

So that's what happened after logging on. It looked very odd to me.

@Hezelcarl1

4 жыл бұрын

We Americans get it all wrong.

@youerny

4 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely peri-fantastic! :) I just got a C64 (with a nice 1541) like the one in the video here, and I'm looking for a tutorial to start using it. Of course I red the original C64 manual, and I do know how to use the computer. The main open issue is: how I can write ROMS from the web on real 5.25" disks, in order to use them on the C64. Any link to video, document, PDF, or alike to help me with this "retro-bootstrap" would be very appreciated! P.S. I am considering the option of using an SD card reader on the C64, in order to put there the files with my modern Mac, and then write from the SD to the Disk with the C64. However a link to a nice retro-tutorial for beginners would be very appreciated :)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@youerny I use the Ultimate 64 or Action Replay cartridge. They have an option to copy a whole disk. Mount the D64 file as disk 9 using SD2IEC or U64, and put the blank disk in unit 8 then start the copy. There are other ways. I recommend asking on the big Facebook group or Lemon 64. Good luck!

The fact that the 35 year old computer was only slightly slower shows how horribly bloated modern software has become

@Santaji55

4 жыл бұрын

@Gábor Lukácsik Personally I prefer the OS itself to be fairly lightweight. I mainly use OS X, and found that every version after 10.6 Snow Leopard added additional features that I do not need at the cost of performance. Every update made my perfectly functioning machines slower. I have also heard similar reports about Windows 10 from my Windows user friends.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Lumumba, remember both printers are set to best quality.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@Lumumba B. It's 100 Mb/s. That's really weird.

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

4 жыл бұрын

Well, *some* “modern software”, at any rate ... kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJaqm65mh6zbYNY.html

@ericcurtin2812

4 жыл бұрын

This is why I use xubuntu on every machine I run, all these fancy visual effects, etc. a waste of resources. I'm happy with a decent looking monospace font, other than that I don't mind.

OH MY GOD!!! The sound of that Dot Matrix Printer printing in BOTH DIRECTIONS brings back a lot of memories to me!!!

@telephony

4 жыл бұрын

You too huh? :-D

@bledlbledlbledl

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like that old IBM proprinter I used for over a decade

@krazyglue60

3 жыл бұрын

I LOVED MacWrite. I never had a chance to use a C64 but I had a friend who had one as well as a Vic20.

No comments? Am I that early? The MacBook Pro will no longer work when it's 37 years old!

@ncc74656m

4 жыл бұрын

The MacBook might not work in the amount of time they were still making the C64, lol.

@tangosucka8526

4 жыл бұрын

The Macbook wont be operational in 3 or 4 years 🤣

@thecaptain2281

4 жыл бұрын

Right, it'll need a new battery in 2 or 3 years and a new SSD in 4 or 5 years... Because the SSD is SOLDERED on, once that dies the system is worthless...

@kunai1362

4 жыл бұрын

Haha that caught me off guard :D

@TheSulross

4 жыл бұрын

Based on my Apple hardware ownership track record, will be about 3 years into an Apple product and start having issues - but the iPods it was more like 6 months to a year

A matrix dot printer gives me that full ASMR experience everytime..

I can't believe people are banging on about it not being a fair test, when it never could be and that's the point.Just like it would be pointless to compare a new car with one that is nearly 40 years old. For a start, one has many more miles under its belt. The test proved that we don't necessarily do the same task from 35 years ago any quicker than we did then, we just do more whilst we're doing it. The analogy with cars works just as well given that an average car journey these days is no quicker than it ever was. In fact for most it's probably slower today given how much more traffic there is. But your average car these days is doing far more for you than your average car 35 years ago was and while also probably doing it more efficiently. It doesn't alter the fact that technology has not provided the average person a way of getting to the shops any quicker than it did 35 years ago, because of other factors. If we all drove super fast Teslas and had no traffic or speed limits, we could get there very much quicker. Same with the word processing experiment here, as I'm sure the Mac could be stripped back to perform that task quicker, but that's about as far away from "real world" as removing all the traffic from our roads is. The test was totally valid and demonstrated this perfectly.

@Trikipum

4 жыл бұрын

But this example doesnt work just because computers dont lose performance overtime... they work like always until they dont work anymore.. A car's parts wear off overtime. A 7mhz CPU will run at 7mhz even after 30 years of use.. Do that with a car and you will see what happens...A car that was rated at 150 Km/h wont reach not even near that speed 30 years later...unless you replace many parts, in which case is not the "same car" anymore...

@HighHoeKermit

4 жыл бұрын

@@Trikipum In theory, no, a CPU should run at basically the same speed its entire life. In practice, yes, CPUs get slower over time because of dust build-up on the heatsink, and because the lower-quality thermal paste that prebuilt computers are often shipped with will degrade or evaporate.

Did a computer users group newsletter for several years using a Commodore 128D equipped with Jiffydos, a Creative Micro Designs RamDrive and 1581 drive. I even had Creative Micro's mouse with an on-board real-time clock that set the time/date automatically for GEOS. Did the ouptut on a Star Micronics 1000 Rainbow printer. It's still amazing that I could do desktop publishing on an 8 bit compter. Final printing was excruciatingly slow, but looked great for the time. Great memories.

There are actually two kinds of Mac Book Pros. The ones with the "£" above the "3" are made of aluminium, the ones with the "#" above the "3" are made of aluminum. Obviously, British Macs are about one pound better than US Macs.

@AllAmericanGuyExpert

4 жыл бұрын

A pint's a pound, the world around!

@AllAmericanGuyExpert

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ndlanding Are you serious? That's a bunch of money. I don't drink beer, so I don't have any skin in this game. But if you are paying 5 pounds to buy a beer, then you might need to adjust your hobbies a bit. That's crazy.

When I started in computing science in the early 90s, it was all about code efficiency. The same was certainly true in the 80s when the C64 came to pass. Today, with so much power and processing abilities the idea of efficient speed, is lost ... so although thousands of times slower, the C64 had vastly superiority written code, making up for the clock speed differences. Rant over, I still love my C64s

@darkwinter6028

4 жыл бұрын

Fortunately, not in most real-time embedded systems... I do some hacking on Grbl... efficiency is job #2, right after correctness at #1.

@Milesyamiga

4 жыл бұрын

You’re talking about a time when resources were so finite and the language was so low people had no choice but to develop in this way It’s all about relevance. The time it takes to write a saved spreadsheet to disk is of much less importance than say processing real time bank transactions, or decryption. There’s lots of places where high performance computing is important, but also lots of places where it just simply isn’t. Being able to delivery requirements quickly that perform a job to a certain standard is often all that’s required, and what the budget stretches to.

@saganandroid4175

4 жыл бұрын

Lean code was dead by 1986.

@mx-0163

4 жыл бұрын

This is like 99% of Electron apps

@darkwinter6028

4 жыл бұрын

There’s always a cost - either the developer expends effort (which costs time and money) on efficiency of code; or the user expends money on faster hardware. Given the choice, the vast majority of managers at software companies will choose to push that cost upon the customer. This is why we have unresponsive, bloated systems...

Considering how old the C64 hardware is, I'm still impressed with the old girl.

Draft mode isn't cheating...didn't we all just use it for speed and extending the ribbon life as standard?? :D

@thecaptain2281

4 жыл бұрын

True!

@GuybrushThriftweed

4 жыл бұрын

I agree :)

@LordOrwell

4 жыл бұрын

maybe not but that mac printer is hella slow. Not counting about ten seconds of power-up from standby, my brother printer can do a page every two seconds.

@ab-fm2dj

4 жыл бұрын

the HP printer has a draft mode that is much faster too...

@CommodoreFan64

4 жыл бұрын

For sure back in the day on all my Epson, and Canon printers I for sure used draft/ink saver mode to extend the life of my ribbons, and ink tanks, heck I still use a sudo draft mode on my brother Laser printer to get more life out of my already cheap generic toner cartridges. I'm of the mindset of why pay more to print something out then I have too.

I bought my commodore 64 when I was around 12 years old with my own money that i saved having my news paper route. I sold it on Ebay when I was 30 years old. It still worked. With about 200 floppy disks with it. Some bought some copies from friends, mostly copies. I always regretted selling it. Such a huge part of my childhood.

@knyt0

3 жыл бұрын

ebAy

This just confirms that crappy code always grows to fill all available memory and eat all available CPU cycles.

@toddfraser3353

4 жыл бұрын

Not really crappy code. But new system need to do more. A good part of the boot up of a new pc is loading drivers. A C64 doesn’t use drivers everything is coded for one type of hardware. While the PC and Mac has to check for every hardware component and load the right driver for the job. Next there is security, a lot of power goes into security on these systems. Also if used a laser printer for the printout not an ink jet the print speeds would be much better. It isn’t fare to say modern systems have crappy code where they need to do more to operate in a modern world.

@TheNefastor

4 жыл бұрын

@@toddfraser3353 and yet if you're trying to do one specific task and the old computer lets you finish in the same amount of time, there's clearly waste.

@vorrnth8734

4 жыл бұрын

Jean Roch But this is not the case here. The mac Makes work was more convinient Heer and has a lot more features.

@TheNefastor

4 жыл бұрын

@@vorrnth8734 I'm sorry, but if your goal was to write a letter with a computer, you're not gaining anything from using a recent Mac, clearly.

@vorrnth8734

4 жыл бұрын

Jean Roch Actually I would gain very much. Try printing a modern image embedded in the letter. And you know you are basing your arguments on rather simple use case. Try video editing on the C64. On top of that you Couleur always write letters by hand so even a typewriter may be called bloat.

Oh How I miss my old C64 days... The golden age of Home Computing for sure.

@Robert08010

3 жыл бұрын

I can remember shopping for C-64 accessories at a store called "The Golden Hedge".

New sub around here - found you guys through the youtube algo after watching an LGR vid. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate and love what I am seeing with your channel! The 2 Chess vids were so much fun to watch! You have all the ingredients of a terrific channel - Lady and Puppy Fractic are just terrific paw-tners in crime. I'm fairly ancient as well, having come through the 386x and 1200baud modem days, though I never was a Commodore or Apple guy. Still, there is something so wonderfully compelling to see great retro content like what you folks are doing - just as folks like Clint at LGR. Wishing you all continued success!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

In older computers reading from the ROM was as fast or sometimes faster than RAM. Then consider how slow hard disks were, and how much slower floppy disks were, and it’s easy to see how you could get such a responsive OS if you were running it from ROM.

@klausstock8020

4 жыл бұрын

He mentions that the C64 is tested with what was available in 1986 (contrary to the description which mentions 1982). In 1982, you did not have many word processor to choose from. Actually, I know just of Easy Script. It loaded from disk in less than 30 seconds - but it was also available as a ROM module. No load time there! I am, however, afraid that nowadays only the disk version is till being sold: www.amazon.com/Commodore-Script-Advanced-Professional-Processor/dp/B004DBX3VA In 1986, however, you might have investigated other options as well. The REU came out in 1985, allowing you to upgrade your C64 with a 256kB sort-of RAM disk, which was also compatible with GEOS (the 512kB REU was meant for the C128, but also worked for the C64 in many cases). Turbo Trans came out in 1986 as well, a hardware add-on advertising a 200-fold speed increase for the 1541 drive (it read a complete disk in 16 seconds). However, I assume that it was incompatible with the GEOS copy protection. But no reason to despair, the C64 version of GEOS had a fast loader built-in.

Those programmers back then were genius... to do so much with so little... incredible. That they do comparable tasks to modern computers and software only marginally slower testifies to how well made that software was, and how lazy and bloated things have gotten with far more powerful hardware.

As we like to say in our net security classes at the local Bar Association, we didn't upgrade to gain speed, we did to gain security and ease of use. It's still impressive how fast a Commodore can be turned on and do stuff, and a picture of my setup was sent to everyone in the aforementioned Bar Association, but in 35 years we got filevault to avoid losing floppies with valuable data, solid state disks that won't get mold and the ability to chuck a Macbook Pro in the suitcase and plan holidays with our partner instead of lugging around an SX :) Stll, it's really an impressive video, as usual. And yes, I love your setup, a lot. Especially the Excelerator: I saw my first clone disk later in life, a BlueChip, and it was love at first sight

The MPS1200 was my Printer! That printer got me through middle school, high school, and the first two years of college. I wrote some of my best academic works on that printer. Man, I miss it. That printer was a beast. It never broke, it never gave up. And none of the pins ever wore down.

@4:38 the right question to ask should be ‘what has gone wrong between then and now and we ended up with the same software which occupies x1000 the space on our hard drives?’

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

It's a good point

@oturgator

4 жыл бұрын

@Gábor Lukácsik I was just trying to point out that, when you compile the basic "Hello World" to make an executable in any modern compiler, you will immediately exceed the available memory of any of the home computers from the C64 era. We are not talking about visual demands here. I have attended 1KB limited assembly code competitions in the past, as in the compiled code can not exceed 1024bytes. You would be amazed what people could come up with, utilizing just under 1024bytes. Now, the laziness took over and when you start with #include it is 44kB!

The performance Berkeley softworks squeezed from that 0.98 MHz machine with 64 kB is unbelievable.

The macs printer has to be the slowest modern printer on the market. Mine was a cheap walmart printer and it just spits out the paper almost instantly.

@ALIENdrifter66

4 жыл бұрын

You probably don't print at the highest quality, and it slows down things a lot.

I just found your channel and I really love it! Tons of memories and flashbacks to my teenage years! Kudos for such great production work!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

Nothing like going back to watch some great, retro Retro Recipe shows !! 😃

@RetroRecipes

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for tuning back into this one!

Makes me wish I was born 20 to 30 years earlier to enjoy all of the amazing old hardware.

@battmann7089

4 жыл бұрын

Loading from sd2iec is great and even better with a Epyx Fast load cart.

His wife acts like they where in a fight a day before and now he suddenly starts to ask questions again

Me: bored to tears waiting for my idea pad 3200 to boot up Also me: fascinated and awed by a computer double my age

Some good comments on here, I remember having to print my HS reports on that connected paper where you had to tear off the sides. As for the mac book printing, a lot has to do with the printer. But like you rightly said, 37 years and we have sped up 40 something seconds.

*Chortles* I like how you managed to keep the awkwardness of pre-first date chat between you and your wife. Keep the magic alive!

Holyshit I forgot the screeching sound of a dot matrix printer. Thank you for that

My first computer was a 1987 C-64C with a 1571 floppy drive. Had lots of fun with that computer back then, and still have it in my basement with all the original games, joy stick's and the trusty 1571 FDD!

64 kilobytes... I’m amazed that it’s even possible to run a word editor inside a graphical operating system, with still enough memory to actually type a letter.

@warrax111

4 жыл бұрын

i mean, it not so small, the problem is, that current operating systems and programs, are not optimized, because they dont have to... they just take more and more ram. For example, my mouse driver takes 100 mb from ram, it upset me very much. It's very lame programing work. Back in day, they have to be more creative, and they were. But it costed time. Now, they spare time so they dont have to optimalize so good, but programs takes ram and HDD space like crazy. Because they are lazy to optimize. Imagine, it costs man-hours to put effort in it, that mean additional employers. So they save costs, but programs are less optimized than in those times. For example, I would program same mouse driver that takes only 5 mb memory from RAM and do same things. That is just example. But they would stop me, because it would cost some additional time - "just dont care dude, RAM is cheap now, at least, they would be forced to buy 8GB". This is way of thinking now. But back in the day, thay had 64kb, and knew, most people cannot effort superexpensive electronics anyway, so in order, so people buy they programs and hardware, they have to be supercreative, and make most optimized things in terms of space saving.

@vtechk

4 жыл бұрын

There used to be times, when programmers didn't suck...

@hipwave

4 жыл бұрын

I still use GEOS. A couple of things: 1- if you don't use a RAM expansion like GeoRAM or , better, the Commodore ram carts that had DMA, it will swap a lot on disk, specially with geopaint. 2- if you value your sanity, two disk drives are the bare minimum. BUT, with more ram you can do crazy stuff like freezing in ram the geos system and rebooting it from the cbm dos in two seconds and also have ram disks that speed up work in an incredible way. You can cache parts of the os so they don't have to be reloaded from disk.

@DogWalkerBill

4 жыл бұрын

Windows O/S, especially 10 is filled with bloatware & bloat code because modern machines have lots of power, lots of memory and lots of disk space for "virtual memory" to handle it. Bloatware. Yes, and it's also true that writing "tight" code is an art that costs money in labor costs. Knock it out. Get it done. "Elegant" solutions are not relevant in today's market.

@DogWalkerBill

4 жыл бұрын

Years ago, a company sent me to learn to code dBase IV for DOS. This was circa 1993 or so. The instructor told how a company she worked for developed an accounting program, in dBase, for IBM AS400's (which was a standard office mainframe of the era.) They wrote the code to work in 500mb memory only to discover that nearly all AS400s were sold with only 200mb memory because the extra 300mb memory cost like a half million dollars! Learning to Code, Tight & Elegant is a lost art!

I sure that date does not mean 2019, more like 1919 who remembers Y2K scare back in day.

@benhetland576

4 жыл бұрын

@Gábor Lukácsik I believe DOS could not even store dates before 1980, so the comparison would be mute. This is still evident on FAT filesystems.

Video side effect: Donkey Kong shirts are flying off the shelves.

Next challenge .. How long to write a Hello World program =)

you just have to love the sound of a 9 pin printer at work. the 24 print heads could really sing.

oh, the sound of the dot matrix printer brings tears (of pain) into my eyes... =D

1:35. I thought for a moment, "I'm not sure if that's how I'd portray Amigans". Then I realised that right now I'm actually wearing a dressing gown, I've got long hair and a beard, and I own an Amiga and prefer AmigaOS to windows and mac. Now I see that it's probably a very good representation. Bravo

People forget that security is one of the biggest knocks to efficiency on today's computers.

That's once again some great piece of entertainment, thank you! Who else here thinks that it's about time for a new C64 chiptune vid...feat. Puppy and/or LadyFractic?

I’m amazed that GeOS could fit within 64k, and that there was still enough memory left over to load a word processor. However, if the cartridge is used to load the software, am I correct in thinking that this frees-up the onboard memory?

Thank you so much for saying "1/2000th the speed" instead of "2000 times slower" (like way too many would). ;-)

@dzonikg

4 жыл бұрын

its actually 250 000 times slower

Sadly, most people nowadays would say the winner is whichever costs more. Great video just for the fun of being able to perform this test.

not even 30 seconds in on this video I already subscribed... I think it's my fastest subscription ever... Well Done!!!

There were faster printers available than the Commodore printer even back then...

@massimomagrini4452

4 жыл бұрын

MUCH faster

@johncrowerdoe5527

4 жыл бұрын

@@massimomagrini4452 For ultimate speed in 1982 I would recommend a repurposed 1970s line printer. By 1986 big laser printers had caught up to the old speed but now with graphics.

Also, I purchased a copy of The Chrononaut. Didn't even know you were an author. Thank you! You also inspired me to buy my first Kindle reader, hehe

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

My first customer!! 🎉 😉 Seriously, thanks mate!!

This is why being an Amiga user, all modern computers and operating systems just infuriate me. Ignorance would be bliss.

If this is just a room in your home I love the museum style labels for each system.

You could also use a geoCable and connect to a parallel port printer, I used my MPS1250 that way (it has both serial and parallel ports), also with the correct printer drivers you could get to up to 240x216dpi on that printer (3 passes per line, so reeeeally slow). Or you can be even more fancy and use an HP LaserJet compatible printer and probably win the race.

New running gag..Perifractic vs. Ladyfractic in word pronunciation. That deserves to be at the front of every video. Love the Excelerator Plus disk drive!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Trust me we still have these struggles every day!

As soon as you panned to the old printer I felt a wave of nostalgia. I had the MPS 1250 printer. It's got identical functionality to the MPS 1200 here, but replaced the serial pass-through connection with a Centronix parallel connector, so you could use it with anything that used that standard as well.

I had no idea GEOS was available on a cartridge. The one I bought came with a manual at least an inch thick and nowhere did it say I could send in my disks and get a cartridge back (not that I remember). Not sure if you had the Loadstar subscription, but they published a ton of new fonts to use instead of the ones GEOS came with. I just wish I could figure out how to make it print on my laser printer.

The sounds of that dot matrix printer took me back, especially with an Atari 400 in view! (Not that I had a printer in the late 70s.) I even still remember some of the Atari basic commands such as _graphics, setcolor, plot_ and _drawto_ that I spent hours typing out on that awful membrane keyboard. Those *weren't* the days, lol.

@bjbell52

Жыл бұрын

I'm a touch typist and I actually got use to the membrane keyboard. Of course, I also learned that one could abbreviate the keywords like gr. for graphics, se. for setcolor, pos. for position, etc..

Ahh nostalgia, I'd forgotten the distinct sound of a dot matrix printer.

That was a fun video Chris and thanks for plugging Fusion Annual too.. I don't have much content in the annual compared to the normal Fusion issues, but I do contribute a rather nice interview I did with someone called RJ Mical - whoever he might be :)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Never heard of her! 😉 Thanks so much! Puppyfractic can't wait to get her paws on it!

@skilgannon1971

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes was also nice to see that wee mention for something or other on the front cover of the ZZap annual ;)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@skilgannon1971 Yeah, no idea what that's all about! 🙃

When Commodore 64 is faster than my high-end iMac

Dude, I can tell you my experience, trying to print from a C64 word processing program. Basically, it took as long to actually load the application as it would booting the MacBook, loading Word and writing the text. An then you want to actually *print* the document? Flip over the floppy to load the printing module and wait forever for it to load just to do that.

would have been more fair if they used the same printer. Id like to see the same race using an Amiga 500 with a Gotek drive

here in my town, there are still a few stores that have matrix printers to print invoices, just love the sound of them

Amusing and interesting stuff! FYI, I just got a CBM Commodore 64 Hard Drive as an extra for some Amiga's I bought. I was stunned to see the same one pictured in your video!

My wife is also American. Every time. Condominium. Petroleum. Aluminium!!!

Try this again... with a Turbo Chameleon accelerator for the C64!

Great video. Reminded me of printing high school assignments on my A500 just before the Guru Meditation struck...

@mke7605

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Dounis great memories indeed.

That Commodor 64 user interface rocked for 1982. I'd never seen it before! I was looking at TRS-80, or DOS back during the days of the computer wars. It's cool you kept it and all those other beige toys alive.

not speaking about that the mps12000 printer looks (and will always look) infinitely better than the HP... what happened in the design department? it's just a beautiful machine even today, and just looks better as it ages.

@noahhughes2501

4 жыл бұрын

Design has just completely stagnated these days, there's nothing interesting like IBM minimalism anymore

@SimonZellox

4 жыл бұрын

@@noahhughes2501 example?

Poor puppyfractic falling from the couch 😁😘 and good speed test here.

I ve got a commodore 64c with Geos but my disc doesn’t work. Do you know where can a I get. A copy of the program? I still have the disk drive, okidata 120 printer, the computer 64C and the monitor commodore 1802

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

You could write a D64 back onto that disk which should work. Google for how to do that and good luck.

Puppyfractic is like me at 2 am: IS CHEESE A LIQUID?????

@RetroRecipes

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

1:36 = The Dude is the Amiga? NICE!

@RonHelton

4 жыл бұрын

That is because the Amiga has a way of "tying the room together".

@fabioa.565

4 жыл бұрын

Nice memories. My first PC was a commodore 64 and then Amiga 500 plus. Beautiful keyboards in particularly the commodore 64/128 ones.

@SpliffRidah

4 жыл бұрын

My 1st PC was an Amiga 500+ 👍👍👍

@smashmyheadagainst

4 жыл бұрын

The Dude should have been the ST: lazy and sloppy ! But don't get me wrong, I'm an ST lover :)

The Lady sure is the most beautiful lady on KZread!,,,,

@modrobert

4 жыл бұрын

more importantly; witty, rarely agrees, stubborn, and a mind of her own...

@black_squall

4 жыл бұрын

Her eyes are stunning.

@firdausrazali4032

4 жыл бұрын

I briefly looked at her and she looks astonishing. Very attractive she is.

@stephencosta6373

4 жыл бұрын

Her expressive eyes and beauty would make for a perfect Disney Evil Queen impersonation (I’m at Disney World now and just saw her last night).

@Red1676

4 жыл бұрын

The thirst is real here. Lol

GEOS, dot matrix, epic battles against the clock... so many traumatic memories. Thanks @perifractic!

Haha. That was a fun little head-to-head. May you keep remembering your retro dreams.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers matey! I wonder if GEOS on the Apple (P)IIe would've been faster... 🤔

Had an Atari 1024STE, some of us were laughing over Amiga 500 devotees. "Aluminium" definately!

He’s like a British Bob Ross or something.

Now do the same challenge but with modern C64 upgrades giving the Commodore a speed boost!

This is an under-rated video, particularly for those of us who were 6-to-10 year old kids with a Commodore 64, and today use Macbook Pros! Funny my Midwest public schools in the 80s had Apple IIe and Apple IIc or Apple II Plus or something computers for my classes. My computer at home did not do what I was taught in school because I had a Commodore 64, not an Apple computer. There was also the Commodore Vic 20. The near-mint condition and quality of the Commodore 64 in this video is really cool! The sound of that Commodore printer brings back memories too! -B

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I was thinking if you had a laser printer for your Mac it might faster printing out. I don't have any retro computers. I just have a Dell PC modern small desktop and a Dell LED printer.

@devleadse

4 жыл бұрын

HP LaserJet printer came 1984, started seeing them in business here around 1989. There's Geos HP LaserJet parallel drivers avail. Would be interesting to how using the same printer would compare, HP LaserJet drivers could probably be found for Mac to :)

I had GEOS for my Apple IIe, and I think it might have beat the modern Mac in this test thanks to the Apple II's super fast floppy drives (thanks, Woz).

@CommodoreFan64

4 жыл бұрын

When it comes to Apple I think Woz did it better, and I seriously lost respect for the Apple after the Apple II GS, and the whole deal with Woz leaving the company due to Jobs, and his BS!!!

@calebfuller4713

4 жыл бұрын

Haha. The Apple II had some good I/O and floppy drive speed - thanks to Woz's optimizations no doubt. It also had terrible graphics, which were a Woz optimization too. Its easy to forget nowdays that the Apple II was really a generation behind things like the C64, Amstrad CPC or Spectrum 48K. It belongs to the first generation of late 70s home computers like the Commodore Pet and the TRS-80.

I dunno about you but we didn't leave our C64 out ready for use all day either. We got it out the cupboard, set up in the livingroom. Tuned the telly in. Got told off that mum was missing her program.

What ever happened to the Vic-II NTSCPAL switcher you were working on?

I miss the sound of my old Commodore Dot Matrix printers.

Who else only clicked to check who was the girl?

As someone who grew up with both the C64 and Amiga, your videos are all truly superb. I so regret getting rid of them all back in the mid 90s. I had huge collections for both systems and for the C64 I had a huge GEOS collection back in the day from buying quite a few cheap second hand bundles. In one bundle I had a binding folder of thousands of print outs of various fonts and add-ons all listed alphabetically. Something that woudve been very useful in this day and age even. But this whole video reminded me of the old C64 Aussie ad we had here which would say 'Are you keeping up with the Commodore, cos the Commodore is keeping up with you" hahahaha. Long live the 8 and 16 bits.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

Oh, commodore question this seems like a good place. I acquired a Commodore 64 with two disc drives but what has me scratching my head is that one disc drive has a switch that was moded on the back and the other one has one on the back and one on the front the main Commodore unit also has a switch that was added. The problem is the prior owner did not document what any of these were for so I have absolutely no idea what they do I just know they are attached. ?????? any ideas ?????? They are just standard toggle switches with thin hook up wire going off to traces on the drive control board and motherboard. I hypothesize that they are either some sort of disc swapping or side swapping mechanism or register swapping or like a turbo button?

@tyrionxavier5049

4 жыл бұрын

The ones on the drives are probably device number switches, I would assume. by default, a disk drive is device 8. That can be changed via a software command, or a physical toggle switch. Later drive models had these dip switches factory installed.

So you see... It's not only that "Size doesn't matter". Also "MHz doesn't matter" Greetings, Doc64!

@calebfuller4713

4 жыл бұрын

It's not the speed of the clock, it's the amount of processing you get done each cycle!

That is super interesting. My dad had a Commodore 64 when I was a kid. I never saw anything like that run on it.

So, the gui environment shown on the commodore; 1. what is that called? I am totally un familiar with that. I thought the c64 was command line only. 2. Can i run that on my c64 mini 3. Where can i find the final version and can that be made to run on the c64 mini? I have so many questions and would truly love to explore that software

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

That's GEOS as detailed before I load it. Google is your friend :-) www.reddit.com/r/c64/comments/eafem2/does_thec64_run_geos/

Love the Macbowski meme. Just screencapped it for my Lebowski appreciation FB page!

I have to commend you for staying married to a Mac person, I couldn't do it.

@CommodoreFan64

4 жыл бұрын

seriously when I met my girlfriend one of the first things I asked her when getting to know her was Mac, or PC, then Android, or iOS. she said PC, and Android, and eventually got her off Windows, and onto Linux. Been great ever since lol!

@johnmorgan4368

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommodoreFan64 I like Windows but Linux is better than OSX at least.

@CommodoreFan64

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnmorgan4368 I'm just not a fan of Windows 10, all it's automated updates, bloatware, a new virus/malware/software exploit/update snafu, etc.. popping up every week, and it breaking my machine, along with pain in the ass drivers to get hardware to work. yes I know there are workarounds, but they are a pain. I personally run Manjaro Budgie Linux(no it's not perfect, but no OS is) on all my modern machines, and for the most part it just works for my usage. Having said that I do have a retro Pentium 4 gaming build that dual boots with Win XP, and Win 98SE, along with an old 32bit ACER Netbook that runs Neverware's CloudReady Home Edition 32bit(Chromium OS) as a backup machine.

@johnmorgan4368

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommodoreFan64 I run Windows Server 2016 at home, but use 10 at work and support about 4000 Win10 PCs and I can't say I have had the same experience sorry.

so on the end this was printers race :) ...cool idea anyway :)

That word processor on the C64 is pretty advanced.

You know what's funny about this? Boot times have increased over decades which is a software problem. They never relly solved it, until faster SSDs or hibernate/freeze were used. Which is an hardware solution which only covers a serious dilemma.

What? I never knew about GEOS on the C64, colour me impressed!

@davidburton3447

4 жыл бұрын

yeah i had it in 1986 on my commodore 64c. they also had geos for pc. the only difference was pc had aol bundled in and the c64 had quantumlink (which was bought out by aol). i used it just like you would the amiga os or windows. loaded games from within it, or copied disks etc etc. was probably my most used program. though i used a standalone word processor which was FAR more complicated to use. (had to put in codes to change fonts and sizes as well as what you saw on the screen didn't match what was printed in terms of formatting. so i'd have to print a copy, add returns to get the format right then print a finished copy. that was all due to the printer i had an okimate 20)

GEOS was amazing for its time.. Too bad the C=64 didn't have a hard drive with GEOS as the default OS. That would have been amazing.

@jonsouth1545

4 жыл бұрын

would have been even better if GEOS was on a rom chip a Commodore really missed an oppertunity a C64 with GEOS aswell as a few basic office programs on ROM would have been the dominant Buisiness machine of the decade they could have simply replaced the rom chip that held Commodore basic with this and it would have been a beast wouldbe interesting to know if a C64 could be modded this way

@duckyakauffetjurswe4533

4 жыл бұрын

Geos had a ram memory backed up with 12 volt battery akted as a hard drive. mine was equipped with a 16 mB ram memory

Thx for this fanatastic video. Haven't heard this nice printing sound for a long time :-) I definitely have to build up my C64 - but where are the cables ? -gmpf-

oh come you gave the dog a card! dude your dog cuteness is literally killing me

When you typed the date in would that have been 1919 or 2019?

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I wondered that myself

@judgewest2000

4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty confident it'll be 1919 - which is just awesome :)

@RWL2012

4 жыл бұрын

There's a new shop called Tesco!

@benhetland576

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes I'm surprised the input validation didn't reject anything below 80 as "invalid year"!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@benhetland576 actually it wouldn't actually take anything other than 2016 which shows you what they were thinking. You can see this on the clock at the top of the screen.

An NES loads up immediately while an XBox One doesn’t .

Love your videos!!! Big retro fan here in the states. I was shocked to see the very first video game my parents ever bought me in your video! Astro Wars!! Now I am searching for one to add to my collection. I remember my parents got it for me for Christmas, and I had found it way before Christmas and used to play it then put it back in its hiding place. Well, I guess my dad used to play it at night when I went to sleep as well so by the time I opened it Christmas morning the batteries were dead and my mom blamed my dad for draining them. Little did she know it was both of us. I used to LOVE that game! I must get one!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

Have you configured the HP printer in a plain text setting?