🗨️ _Start a conversation not a fire. This happy corner of the world was born from childhood nostalgia. Comment with kindness. Thank you :-)_ 🆕 Check out the new rematch with both apps at top skill levels!: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dGmK149yZ8WZqZs.html ❓FAQ: 1. "This isn't about computers it's about A.I., or it's only a test of speed, etc." I explain this at 4:23. You gotta watch the video before commenting on the video ;-) 2. I realize 10^123 is more than double the atoms in the universe. I was trying to say the power of figure is double but it came out badly 🤦‍♂️FML 3. When we said that move was dated what we saw on our smaller CRT TV was the King going in for a cuddle then bludgeoning the Queen to death. Showing "domestic violence" as a "joke" in video games doesn't happen today and is what we thought was "dated". BUT, what we didn't see at the time was her pulling a knife. Bad Queen! So it was actually self defense! - What's your theory on the final result? Low Mac Elo? Fluke? Peri's law? ;-) Comment below!

@mrdaxtercrane

4 жыл бұрын

You do realise the update for chess on the Mac was optional? Nonetheless, for speech dictation in chess, it's 1.2GB?!? WHAT?!?

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrdaxtercrane Yeah I realized afterwards. Still, there's something nice about not being offered updates. Though I see the value of them too. Different worlds...

@zvonimirtosic6171

4 жыл бұрын

Retro Recipes, ELO score changes over the years. Amiga's playing at ELO 1600 from 1987, for example, is about 1300-1450 in today's (the year 2020) ELO score. The ELO score increases in time. Some say that top chess players from the mid-1980s - Karpov, Kasparov, Garatolij Karparov :-) & others - for the same level of playing would be rated at a lower ELO today (say 2600 instead of 2850 from mid-1980s). World champs from 1920-30s, imagine this, would be at a level of a FIDE master or international-master (IM) today (ELO 2300-2400), which is below today's Grandmasters (GM) level! They could not even compete for the world's champion title! In your test, you should lower the ELO rating on a 2020 Mac to 1400, to "roughly" match Amiga's ELO 1600 from 1987. Chessmaster 2000 play was a fair match because ELO was somewhat adjusted; Chessmaster's ELO 2000 matches modern ELO 1850. Sargon should definitely be readjusted because HiArcs is a modern beast. Perhaps you can do another video with adjusted ELO scores, at least for Mac Chess vs Amiga? It would be interesting to see. (I don't have Amiga anymore so I can't try).

@thecaptain2281

4 жыл бұрын

I actually have to agree with "Peri's Law". There are masterful strategies being used these days, but the way Chess is played changes as time goes on. In 10 or 20 years, programs have been changed and "think" in different ways than they used to. Older Chess programs ran on computers that had much tighter limits so the programs code had to be very lean & clean in order to be playable. Today's code and coding methods are much less lean by comparison. Some are even down-right sloppy. I'm actually surprised the C64 didn't win the match.

@zvonimirtosic6171

4 жыл бұрын

​@@thecaptain2281 That could be said for some programs, but not for HiArcs, Stockfish, Leela or their sorts; such modern algorithms (some are open source) take into account an insane number of things. In the test by Retro Recipes, Chessmaster on Amiga could score against 3D on Mac because the ELO score on a Mac program was somewhat lower, which matches the Amiga program's ELO from 20 years ago. At what level of computer chess we have come today, check the description for AlphaZero and what it runs on; it taught ITSELF to play chess at a superhuman level in less than 4 hours, WITHOUT any reference to historic games, books for openings or endings, etc. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero

Difference between an 80's Amiga and a Mac? In 10 years the Commodore will still be working.

@Champsvisions3d

4 жыл бұрын

so so true. it was build well.

@MrDutchino

4 жыл бұрын

I have to try mine.

@RobertBullock

4 жыл бұрын

And you can repair it.

@ChannelReuploads9451

4 жыл бұрын

Commodore never tried their hardest to block your right to repair.

@6581punk

4 жыл бұрын

They probably let Jonny Ive go as he was trying to make the keyboard get thinner to the point of vanishing completely. The keyboard area would then become a touch screen and your Macbook Pro would become a giant Nintendo DS.

One of my favourite comedy one liners, is from Tim Vine: "I had dinner with chess champion Gary Casparov the other night. We had a checkered tablecloth and it took him 2hours to pass the salt"

If you match ELO ratings, all you're doing is discovering which engine has the most conservative ELO replication. Just set everything on the most badass settings!

@berry120

4 жыл бұрын

This was my thought as well - you're not really testing much by setting the ELOs the same. A much better test would be to whack them all up to maximum and try again (possibly emulating the Amiga on far faster hardware to mitigate the time issue.)

@berry120

4 жыл бұрын

@Don hence my comment on emulation.

@SiisKolkytEuroo

4 жыл бұрын

@Don you could give them the same amount of time to think about the turn. For example, each machine could have one hour per turn

@bijelodugme5935

4 жыл бұрын

exactly! they don't test Amiga's and Mac's AI (BTW both have exactly none) but precision of ELO settings in chess applications.

@jsrodman

4 жыл бұрын

@@bijelodugme5935 re AI, many people would consider computer chess an AI challenge. As time goes on, however, techniques developed in AI research become commonplace in computer science. So "AI" becomes only the frontier. Is deep learning AI? give a few years and people probably won't think of it that way anymore.

@7:45 "Sneezes" Feb 2020 response: "Bless you" April 2020 Response: "Diving away for cover"

@gumunduringigumundsson9344

4 жыл бұрын

Kick his ass for not sneezing in his elbow and demand he wears a mask.

I remember playing Battle Chess only for the combat animations back in the day XD

@larsmuldjord9907

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. I wasn't really interested in playing chess at all, I just wanted to see all of the different combinations of fighting. :D

@RetroMMA

4 жыл бұрын

After awhile I just played it straight 2d for the speed. I mean, you can only watch the same slow animations so many times :D

@ClayMann

4 жыл бұрын

same but what really shocked me was how quickly I got sick to death of the 3D when I thought that was the most amazing idea ever initially. I have shunned all attempts at clever 3D views of chess ever since. You just can't beat that simple 2D view.

@fofgofx

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, same

@Dunkelelf3

4 жыл бұрын

i learned the chess rules from this game when i was 5 or so.

Amiga is still an amazing computer decades later.

@jakubdzik6861

4 жыл бұрын

Amiga Rules! ;)

@raffaeleirlanda6966

4 жыл бұрын

Jakub Dzik Amiga Rulezzz!!! 👈😀😎😘

@erdincgc2

4 жыл бұрын

Amiga Forever !

@giffyfaces

4 жыл бұрын

I sold mine for mega money then I installed amiga emulator on my pc and never looked back

If I recall correctly, the IBM computer programmers were permitted to use abnormal rules and the computer itself 'broke down' on two occasions for a number of hours. Kasparov's complaint came when he realised he'd been set up. It's rather suspicious that the computer was disassembled, when one would expect it to be maintained as an historic artifact as normally happens when an object marks a particular point in technological development.

@autohmae

4 жыл бұрын

The computer was huge and expensive, they could probably use it for other things. Then again IBM had deep (pun intended) pockets so they could have kept it.

In Battle Chess, if you have a knight vs. knight it replays the fight scene in Monty Python & The Holy Grail.

@chickenman297

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. I was disappointed this wasn't shown

@eric_d

3 жыл бұрын

I was waiting to see that too. lol

Young adults seeing Battle Chess in 2020: "Hey, that's like in Harry Potter!" Adults watching Harry Potter in 2001: "Hey, that's like Battle Chess!" Teenagers seeing Battle Chess in The 1980s: "Hey, that's like the chess board from The Millennium Falcon! Adults seeing Battle Chess in The 1980s: "Hey, that's not like the 3-D chess Kirk and Spock used to play!"

@SgtRayman

4 жыл бұрын

i am "young" adult (25yo) and I played Battle Chess like 10-15 years ago with my friend on elementary school, so i wasn't surprised or compering it to Harry Potter (wich i watched many times) ...but i think you are on point anyway :)

@stephenwgreen78

4 жыл бұрын

That's good stuff 👍

@silkwesir1444

4 жыл бұрын

@@SgtRayman you had an older sibling who took care to introduce you to the good stuff?

@casperes0912

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Thomas I don’t get this. I’ve watched all the Kirk Star Trek films and seen all the OG TV series, and I don’t remember them playing chess, perhaps a single time, but not more than that. I thought it was something that only really happened in TNG

@WaterShowsProd

4 жыл бұрын

Casper S� I can’t recall how often they played 3-Dimensional Chess, but it was iconic enough that you could buy the chess boards, promoted as being played in Star Trek, years before The Next Generation was even imaginably possible. Here’s one still of them playing. vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/d/df/Spock_McCoy_3D_chess.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171206025141&path-prefix=en

The thing is that difficulty levels started to mirror user skills instead of processing power spent in calculations.. So easy to medium levels on modern games were "stupid on purpose"

Gary got annoyed with the way the IBM team was running Deep Blue. They did not tell Gary that they were changing the program after each game. Gary expected to learn its behavior over time and it kept changing. I think Gary had a reasonable complaint as he was NOT competing against set a machine. Ethelred Hardrede

@manictiger

4 жыл бұрын

Hmm... So, our timeline is a little skewed. Computers can beat the best humans at Chess, but maybe not back in 1994. Well, now with machine learning, computers are getting worryingly good at superseding humans at many tasks.

@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv

4 жыл бұрын

@@manictiger "but maybe not back in 1994." No BUT, Deep Blue beat Gary in 1997. Then IBM disassembled Deep Blue. It was not modern deep learning. It was human programming on a special built computer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov I remember the rematch not the first set. Probably because Gary won the first but lost the rematch. Ethelred Hardrede

@Danuxsy

4 жыл бұрын

@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the modern chess engine Stockfish and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match. I agree, Deep Blue is nothing.

@Bennevisie

4 жыл бұрын

Top comment

@HerecomestheCalavera

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that IBM refused a rematch says it all.

You should do a bracket style tournament between dozens of chess AIs spanning 4 decades. I'd watch the hell out of that.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Neat idea! What chess AIs would you like to see?

@starcrashr

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes Oh, wow... I actually didn't expect to be asked for the specifics. I don't know of that many offhand. Now that I think about it, dozens might get monotonous after a while, so maybe just pick the best selling or best rated chess game from each console. I realize there might not actually be any chess games on the more recent consoles because everyone just wants FPS in those.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@starcrashr The only problem with this is pitting two similar machine's programs against each other is fine, but invariably as I move up say from 8 to 16 bit, the more powerful will I think usually win. So the final winner will likely still be the modern machine. However I could just go through all 16 bit programs on the Amiga vs Atari ST for example.

@starcrashr

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes The point of this idea is to determine how true that is. After all, this video shows a MacBook tying with an Amiga. There's a solid chance that an older algorithm could get lucky, or that a newer algorithm was sloppily/lazily programmed. I'm sure you can agree with me that as the saying goes, "they don't make them like they used to." Sometimes newer games may focus on looking pretty and neglect the backend.

The 1st game had a really unusual opening never ever seen in modern professional chess these days called 'The Albin counter gambit'. I noticed the Mac actually initiated this opening not the amiga program...this opening was popular in the 19th century, the age of romanticism. The 2nd game the mac played an opening called 'The modern' which is g6 after e4, an opening that is still popular today. It is called the modern because black intends to allow white to build a large pawn centre than attack it from the wings...hence g6 fianchettoing the bishop...this strategy is known as 'hypermodern' play and emerged in the 1920's or so. The 3rd game Sargon plays 'Birds opening' again a rare opening these days in the top flight....the most exciting answer to f4 is the reply e5 (the From gambit) which can lead to extremely wild play, but these days d5 is played usually by the top players.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thank you chesxpert!

@JesusisJesus

4 жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, i almost beat the chess guru teacher at chess club in high school by using what I now to be The Albin Gambit, and at the end he told me that I made 1 mistake otherwise I would've played a perfect game and had him in checkmate. So I performed the Far Q Maneuver and left the room for a cigarette.

@meestachip

4 жыл бұрын

@@JesusisJesus far Q, much more popular (and further away) than the near queue.

@VanisherXP

4 жыл бұрын

@@JesusisJesus Wait what? You were allowed smoke in high school?

@Alexander_l322

4 жыл бұрын

@@VanisherXP outside obviously

I think this is your best video. Ties together so many wonderful nostalgic/nerd threads, and with very high production value. A masterpiece!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️♟🙏

The Amiga was serious when it said it was the chessmaster.

Mac: I can speak Amiga: H O L D M Y B E E E R

@romaneberle

4 жыл бұрын

HAWLD MAEE BEERH

@Champsvisions3d

4 жыл бұрын

hahaha i could hear the voice in my head hahaha

@RetroMMA

4 жыл бұрын

But to listen, it requires a 1.2gig DL. At least the Amiga doesn't even pretend to... heh

@pault151

4 жыл бұрын

@@romaneberle When I got my A1000, I read up on the speech program, and then called my programmer buddy who was thrashing on his C64. When he answered, I held the phone by the monitor speaker, pressed Enter, and it said, "Hello Cliff, this izz paulz niew ameega compyooter" (I worked on the spelling to get it to sound a little better, not sure if that is exactly what I had typed). He paused a second, then replied, "OOOHHHHH mYYYYYYY!" and in a month had his own Amiga. >:-}

@daveisnothere

4 жыл бұрын

@@pault151 When I had my Amiga say the alphabet... "ab-kadef-gijek-minop quistuvitzes" I can still hear it reciting that years later.

What I learned from this video: You both have the same haircut

@frodeli

4 жыл бұрын

It was two-for-one day.

@WR3ND

4 жыл бұрын

I too tried for the content, but couldn't make it through him talking.

@310smoker

4 жыл бұрын

lol they are not twins ?

@Sonex1542

4 жыл бұрын

When your woman looks like you in the mirror. Sexual ambiguity all around.

@michaelgjoyce

4 жыл бұрын

Alex F hah, same haircut. But a stunningly beautiful woman.

the doggo is like "stop talking to invisible people, im right here.. infront of your face... hello?"

I think the most entertaining part was watching Lady Fractic's responses to the Battle Chess conflicts - and to Peri's remark to the Mac's piece being naked because you could "see his wood". As for the reason one would win over the other, I would assume that even two chess masters would face choices that might seem like a good plan, yet not work out in the end.

The 80's was a very special time where sci-fi technology started to become realilty for the masses with these early home computers, inspiring so many young minds, so its no wonder the machines of this golden era have a special place in our hearts. Nice nostalgic vibes Retro Recipes !

Dog: Oh man hes staring and talking to thin air. hes losing it. dog: are you ok? im right here

Battle chess was dope. I think the main thing about the different programs is just the difficulties might not quite match up exactly. I am only rated at 800 so I am not all that good but I am learning and this was fun to watch.

Wow. I still have my Amiga stuffed away in storage. This takes me back to when I had to fight to create an Amiga media lab amid a bunch of PC/Mac nerds. Fortunately, I won, and created some animations for industrial design that I never could've completed otherwise backinnaday. Thanx for the nostalgia! _(oh, your friend is ridiculously beautiful!)_

The Chessmaster 2000 was actually pretty good chess software, and even holds up today if you're just looking to learn the game or practice your various checkmate scenarios. It was kind of humorous watching it grab an extra queen to defeat RealChess 3D: as Black, a human player would've resigned well before that point. I think the conclusion that _can_ be drawn here is that although chess programs at their highest level can play very well (I'd love to have an ELO rating of 2000), the ways in which they handicap themselves are often surprising. And it was cool to see the Albin Counter-Gambit being pulled out--I lost a tournament game against it once and still have nightmares about it....

@Danuxsy

4 жыл бұрын

Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the ultra modern chess engine Stockfish 8 and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match. Chessmaster 2000 is literally nothing compared to modern AI powererd systems such as AlphaZero.

Back in the day, myself and a friend pitted "Speech Chess" on the ZX Spectrum against "White Knight Mk II" on the BBC Micro. The Spectrum game used sampled speech. Only two games were played and the Spectrum won the first round, and the Beeb was the victor for the rematch. Speech Chess responded to its defeat by saying " Check - well I never! - Mate" .

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Haha that's great

The best test would be to set the highest difficulty rating possible on both machines and compare those. Everything else is more a test of how good they think a human player at whatever difficulty rating would be.

Great channel!

@RetroRecipes

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the visit

@SquirrelMonkeyCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes I visited your channel and subscribed in the first minute. :) Hope you'll reach the silver status soon! :)

Your dog has perfect comedic timing!

@kingranger9515

4 жыл бұрын

He made it appear as such...could be anything he would still find the right words to say at that moment.

Techmoan and RR notification. Today is off to a good start!

"10^123 moves (...) is nearly twice the number of atoms in the universe" That's not how powers work! It's much much more...

@charlesajones77

4 жыл бұрын

Holy crap, you're right!

I found it funny that the results ended in a draw like teaching Joshua tic-tac-toe. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play"

Well in all reality the reason why they tied in the end is because they were all set to to combat at the same elo. Processing power has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game except to process potential moves faster.

it all has to do with the chess engine used , not so much the computer hardware. (of course hardware will dictate what engines you can run). The video alluded to that fact, but the title specifically mentions hardware vs hardware.

@tip0019

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was a rubbish comparison.

@stevecurtis1088

4 жыл бұрын

@@tip0019 rubbish comparison. Rubbish video. Nothing to see here. Except her

@StagnantExistance

4 жыл бұрын

Based on the video title, I expected to see the same chess engine being run on two different computers. This intrigued me, because I wanted to see how they would solve this. Well, they did not.

KZread rabbit hole brought me here the gud doggo in the intro made me stay

Her reaction when the king loses his clothes 😂😂

The first Amiga win is a set piece, a classic checkmate (the "Scholar's Mate"). If the Mac isn't aware of it, then it won't make the first defence. It could be validation of Peri's law.

@highpath4776

4 жыл бұрын

While the moves as a whole might be known, the computers are only evaluating the possible moves three or four moves hence and chosing (and here is a thought, is that choice actually random, rather than optimal?) , if a end is five moves hence it could be missed on the first reply move.

@stephenhargreaves9011

4 жыл бұрын

@@highpath4776 back in the day i wrote AmigaDraughts (still available on aminet) which would look up to 9 moves ahead. Unfortuantely, there wasn't an Amiga fast enough to play at that level.

Now I know on who she reminds me of. "Are you a god?" "No?" "Then...DIE!"" ―Gozer the Gozerian talking to Ray Stantz

@7eventhLevel

4 жыл бұрын

"Ray when someone asks you if youre a god you say YES!"

@EvertvanIngen

4 жыл бұрын

@@7eventhLevel Muahaha Yes!

My friend and I did a similar test back in the day where we hooked an Amiga 500 and an Atari 520 STfm up via serial ports and had them play Battle Chess head to head. It's not a comprehensive test, by any means, but 2 out of 3 games, the Atari won. The Atari does have a very slight speed advantage over the Amiga, CPU-wise, but I don't think there's any difference in the AI between versions. More games would have to be run. Maybe 100 to be sure. Alas, I don't have either of those machines anymore... But maybe if I emulate them...? Now there's an idea.

So the folk story of John Henry has now come down to this - can the old machines still go toe-to-toe with modernity

I wonder how much this is testing the computer's capability via processing power versus the software's accuracy in estimating the Elo rating. If either version of the chess game was actually playing at a higher level than stated, it is more likely to win...based solely on whether the developers were accurate in their assessments. Would it not be a more traditional 'can an Amiga beat a Mac' contest by having both machines operate at max level regardless of time....or to impose a time limit and require the best response available within the limit?

@Jangocat

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, it's more of a software test. The only difference in the computers is speed of calculations.

@RafeSacks

4 жыл бұрын

I was also thinking along these lines. If you do not limit the time the computer can take then speed doesn't matter. The computational quality should be the same, just slower (possible short-cuts/compression aside). If you could get the same software on both computers then you would be testing for these outliers because the algorithms being run by both computers would then be the same. You'd then have to run 1000s (millions?) of games to remove game-based variance as well.

@jeffgreen3376

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Setting them both on 2200 rating doesn't prove anything.

"good game, good game" "didn't they do well?"

@mick2d2

4 жыл бұрын

Classic Bruce! 8)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

😉

@paulyh4531

4 жыл бұрын

Nice to see them, to see them nice 👍

@AK-nb6hz

4 жыл бұрын

Aw this tickled me.. I recently worked in the London Palladium where his ashes were spread. There’s a plaque up there in his memory. What a man..

@Hellwyck

4 жыл бұрын

It'll be a good night if you play your chess right!

I’d completely forgotten how good battle chess looked. Ah the memories

@stephenelliott7071

11 ай бұрын

Even better on a CRT.

That Battle Chess game was one of my favorites from back in the day.

Nice memories from my youth. Battle Chess was awesome back in the day. Thank you AGAIN for a wonderfully entertaining video. We SO appreciate all the long grueling hours it must have taken to film this. Week after week you earn my subscription. JT

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Does that mean you unsubscribe every Wednesday? 😉 Seriously though thank you. This was about 3 hours filming and 3 days editing. But such good fun!

@SamichHunter

4 жыл бұрын

Well ... not EVERY Wednesday! LOL

King vs queen was hilarious.

@o00nemesis00o

4 жыл бұрын

"Dated" = "does not fit my puritanical sensibilities"

@Chriva

4 жыл бұрын

@@o00nemesis00o Each to their own but I personally would never get along with someone that sensitive :) They'd hate me in 3 seconds lol

@Jangocat

4 жыл бұрын

Ya her woke reaction was hilarious, that was comedy gold lighten up lol

LadyFrantic was thinking throughout the video: “I rather play a first person shooter!”

Still an excellent testimony to how well those old Amiga chess games were programmed, even though the processing speed was not that great in comparison.

I lost it at the Puppy Fractic bit! 🤣

I bet most of us where rooting for the AMIGA. Come on guys, get the C64 in the game.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly that would've taken 6 days per move at high skill levels. Not kidding.

@davehx

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes but it's what the people want........

@1stacbats

4 жыл бұрын

Come on.....do it

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Haha never say never

@SmalltimR

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes 6 da/p move would only make it that much more valuable an experiment - besides, its not as though someone has to stand-by and wait - I say do it!

As a fan of both Battlechess and the ChessMaster series, I can explain why the Amiga won so quickly while playing ChessMaster - the game’s AI was based on the minds of multiple chess champions of the time. Battlechess on the Amiga was more about the graphics than the actual game, which was evident when you played a single match against the CPU. The CPU is known to make ridiculous moves that would entrap itself halfway through the game.

would have loved to see HER reaction if a Tower had eaten a queen... that was probably the funniest move in BattleChess ;)

you need to pit chess master against the two mac apps to find out if it is in fact the chess master.

I'm too simple for chess. So I watched for LF and the Battle Chess animations.

Why an Amiga still can draw with a 2000 more powerfull computer? Because is old, not obsolete. :-) Amazing episode friends. Thank you very much. ;-)

@cloerenjackson3699

2 жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no way any Amiga chess program running on original Commodore Amiga hardware can beat the Stockfish chess program running on modern PC hardware without the tester rigging the contest by hobbling the PC as this guy ^^ always does. "Can somebody in a wheelchair out run Usain Bolt? Yes! If we break Bolt's legs and tie him down first! Astonishing!". :rolleyes:

She looks like someone that would be introducing Newtek hardware for the amiga ironically

Chessmaster 2000 lives up to it's name. He is just modest, otherwise he would dominate the chess scene.

@BixenteFabregas

4 жыл бұрын

Against Komodo, Fritz, Houdini or Rybka, to cite only popular chess engines, he'll never win a 10 games match. But yes, chessmaster is great.

@Danuxsy

4 жыл бұрын

@@BixenteFabregas Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the modern chess engine Stockfish and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match.

One of my favourite games on the ST, computers are getting flasher graphics but how much better can a game of computer chess really get. Brilliant and fascinating video, thanks for sharing.

@xXTheoLinuxXx

4 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, one of the best Chess players all time was using an Atari ST, his name is Garry Kasparov and showed up in several advertisments.

Amiga is the best even after all these years. Long live the Amiga

Amiga coders had to be smarter. I bet the Mac software just imported some generic cut rate chess library and wrapped it in pretty graphics.

@Jaker788

4 жыл бұрын

There were no software libraries back then for chess I would assume. The algorithm is likely not as efficient or advanced as software libraries today, I doubt there's a big difference between programmed chess AI today, they're all limited. I also don't think there's anyone out there programming traditional chess AI, instead probably training neural networks for funsies or a school project and whatnot. Maybe someday we'll have capable true chess AI that will run on most normal computers.

@sh-bf7bv

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jaker788 There's actually a huge difference. I suggest you look up Stockfish and go on from there.

@NicVandEmZ

4 жыл бұрын

Why chess game on iPad vs amigo

I used to play online chess against a friend that always beat me, so one game i loaded up Cyrus 2 on my Commodore 64 and mirrored all moves between my phone and my C64, i think i had it set to only think for 10 seconds, and it managed to beat him pretty fast, he got very surprised i beat him, and even more surprised when i told him i didn't beat him, but a computer from 1982 did XD

The Chess.app included with the Mac is a prettied up version of the GNU Chess program, which can be discovered reading the 'About Chess' that includes a link to download the source code.

This is kinda like when people make two chat bits talk to each other but more nerdy

Watch the movie Game Over. It’s documentary about the Gary vs Deep Blue match up. Garry’s compliant was that the Grand Master consultants who were only supposed to train deep blue were present at the match. Those consultants were in the back room with the computer And Garry suspected that the consultants were influencing and vetting the moves Deep Blue was making in real time. Garry requested to see the deep blue logs and the IBM team refused, they dissembled the computer and never turned it back on. Garry has every right to be upset.

@loungezinger

4 жыл бұрын

They submitted all the code results and decision trees later.

The Hairy formerly known as Prince? I have two hypotheses to explain the Amiga victories; 1) Chess is a game of chance. It certainly is when I play it! 2) The Amiga picks its opening move at random and the opponent can't plan that deeply. By the time the opponents' few order of magnitudes of computing power starts giving it an advantage, the game has mostly been decided, this would lead to a 50-50 chance of winning... Like the results you got. Coincidence? What's 3 orders of magnitude more of computing power compared to 10^26 moves? Conclusion: Chess is a game of pure chance, I was a Grandmaster all along! :D

@EverettVinzant

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the opening move used by the Amiga in Chessmaster was not just random. I had Chessmaster 2K for my PC. It had a library of opening moves.

the dog is driving me crazy, how did he manage to be that cute and awesome

I think the AI being older confuses the mac's AI due to the mac thinking it's playing a human, not a computer from the 80s

this was such a nerdy thing to watch, I love it :)

Given that Chessmaster won both it's games, I'd love to see whether it could have taken on Hiarcs and won!

"Sub-creatures! Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, the Traveller has come! Choose and perish!" Amiga needed the proton-pack upgrade.

I wish Amiga had stayed in the computing game. The computing world is so small now. In the '80s we had a ton of choices.

Let’s see. Let me go ask someone I work with that actually worked on the Amiga when it was in production. It could be because that was a time when quality actually mattered so more thought was put into programming.

Sees human staring at and talking to no one. *engage compassion paw* "You okay, fren?"

@huyked

4 жыл бұрын

xD 10/10 comment. xD

@vcolinc

4 жыл бұрын

Sick name and comment!

How does this channel not have 100k+ subscribers? Lets get them there, folks!

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!

@pettersvard5990

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't get it. The production quality is great, the originality is outstanding and the interplay between puppy-peri-lady fractic is awesome. Meanwhile, people landing on mousetraps in slow motion is getting 13 million subscribers. Anyways, keep up the good work and hopefully people will catch up :)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know about mouse traps but I wouldn't have a happy soul if I put out that kind of thing. To be fair to 9-Bit Guy and LGAhhh, they've been going over 10 years to get their million. I only just hit 2 years. This kind of growth seems normal for this niche. But it's our niche and I love it :-D

@stantsigos1337

4 жыл бұрын

I'm doing my bit!

Sure, we may not have had all the fancy graphics in the 80's-90s, but our games sure had that ballsy sass factor tuned into the violence and comedy that modern games seem to miss

I remember Chessmaster 2000 on Amiga and it was the best chess software of its time, and its ability as a software coded in 1986 to beat modern software proves its genius.

Deep blue crashed is why he accused them of cheating to my knowledge. He said if he had crashed he would have lost the game. Fair point.

The amiga makes me want to learn chess, never tought it would be this interesting

Just a little nitpick and maybe something somewhat interesting: Castle isn't another word for rook - it's specifically the maneuver of the king moving "through" a rook. This is part of most successful strategies since it puts the king in a better defensive position and connects the rooks, keeping the back row safe. Castling is only legal if neither the king nor the rook have moved before. The early queen exchange forced Battle Chess to take with the king which may have been the losing move already since it couldn't castle anymore, unlike the Mac (I haven't analyzed the position but not castling tends to put you on the back foot).

I used to do this in the 90's having Battle Chess fight my Speccy and such

loading pun database, 1.2GB.... .... "Chess you"

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

😊

@wierdalien1

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes who gives you the deadest look for your puns? The dog or your wife (?)

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

@@wierdalien1 I think they're in it together honestly

@wierdalien1

4 жыл бұрын

@@RetroRecipes Hahaha

I'd like to see the maximum settings fight it out. Maybe run the Amiga programs in WinUAE without throttling?

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

Fun idea!

the reason deep blue won and why it was accused of cheating was a bug in the code made the machine make an "un_machinelike" move

1:22 Puppyfractic really meant to say... "Put your arm down hooman, you are just a pawn in MY videos!"

Puppyfractic is a comedic genius!

I totally forgot about pawn becoming a queen. I guess because I never played a game where a pawn made it that far!

This video is a good way of explaining how Old ≠ Obsolete

I watched a VHS home video from the early '90s the other day. The most striking thing about it was that 95% of everyone captured on film had the same haircut. Aunties, uncles, myself, girls, boys, my mum, her friends. Everyone had the same shortish bob like Thelma from Scooby-Doo.

@RetroRecipes

4 жыл бұрын

That's a good look!

“All I can see is his wood.” Gotta love it! To be honest, I know nothing about chess. I tried to read about how to play it once but it was far over my head. Plus, lack of interest and all.

She's so beautiful! Reminds me of Sheena Easton of the 80s.

@spiewak70

4 жыл бұрын

her eyes are wicked

@defencebangladesh4068

4 жыл бұрын

@@spiewak70 yeah

I learned to play chess from playing battle chess when I was child. What a throw back seeing that game again

Battle Chess are awesome. The animations and sound effects were amazing and it made many people want to play chess.

Giving a check is by no means an achievement in chess, it's just a move like any other and, depending on the situation, can often be a bad move.

@jeffgreen3376

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they don't know much about chess.

@michaeldelyjah5696

4 жыл бұрын

I had to pause the video at the sheer idiocy of his comment. This is the same guy who at the start of the video asserts that he doesn't believe that IBM cheated. He's so unsophisticated that he thinks a check means something, yet he concludes that he can understand a world champion level chess game. LOL!!!

@jeffgreen3376

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldelyjah5696 I blame it on television. How many times have we seen chess being played in a movie or a sitcom and one player says "check" and then the other player says "check mate"? So, the average person on the street, that knows nothing about chess, will think that check is the second best move in chess. lol

I wonder what each program on the Amiga could do on its toughest settings (with time limits). Battle chess used to be notoriously bad anyway, but I guess it held up quite well all things considered. The thing is, even an Amiga could give a grand master a hard time back in the day. Especially if you had an A2000 or better.

This is just a fantastic video. I need to test this out myself!

Brilliant video, subbed. Thanks guys.

in the AI industry, the Peri's law could be described as Overfitting, where a AI would become so good at some patterns that will no longer generalize itself. but since Peri's law sound 1000% better i will start to use it now =)!

10:56 I think we need an extras reel of just Lady F's reactions. "Dated"? Nope, that's equality. That means you get a sceptre upside your head.

@aaronmicalowe

4 жыл бұрын

Women fundamentally don't understand the concept of equality. It doesn't mean you just get more. For everything you gain, you also have to lose something.

@Gerardus1970

4 жыл бұрын

@@aaronmicalowe Not many seem to get that.

It's about the love and effort people put into the product they produce. 1987 "Wow look I put chess on this computer!!' 2020 "Don't forget to include chess on the chrome book"

Thoughts from an old school coding superstar who helped the MS Dev team get the original Halo running at a decent framerate on the original Xbox. 'First, the Amiga code is hand-coded assembly, the mac code is compiled and unoptimized. It's closer to a 100x acceleration IMO because of that. Second, mac people making recreational apps vs Amiga guys coding for blood in the days of the old republic. Impressive.'