Let’s not forget that Lange pushed Patek to rethink the way they were designing their chronographs - once the Dato was released PP had no choice but to abandon the lamania based movements in favor of in house designs. I will also say that Lange finish all their movements to the same incredibly high standards, not just the ones you’d find in higher end models (unlike all 3 members of the holy trinity) - aesthetically it’s really a matter of preference, but for me personally, I’d take Lange over Patek, VC, and AP 10 times out of 10

Look inside a Patek you will see hand finishing. Look inside a Lange you will see hand finishing And sculptures! Lange for the win 🎉

You forgot to mention every piece in the A Lange catalogue is finished to the same exact standard AND built twice before leaving the factory. Great history lesson on the age of both companies 😀⌚️🙏🏼

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, I did allude a bit to their keeping the same standards even on their "entry level" Odysseus - its something really admirable, even with Patek you can see the difference in standards between an Aquanaut and a Calatrava for example, but with Lange they go all out no matter which model it is. As for the building twice it just goes to show again that Lange really spares no expense and demonstrates their enormous integrity as a watch manufacturer despite being part of a bigger conglomerate. Thanks for watching & highlighting even more what makes Lange such an amazing brand :)

I think the title should be the other way around.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

The more i'm exposed to Lange & the more I learn about the watches they've made in their (relatively) short re-existance I'm inclined to think you might be on to something with switching around the question

@robertbrowne7880

3 жыл бұрын

They weren't in the same situation as Blancpain or Breguet. The old watchmakers returned to produce something even better.

@greaterbayareahero1401

3 жыл бұрын

It should be is Lange better than PP.

@novaterrance7724

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I am quite off topic but does anybody know of a good site to watch newly released tv shows online?

Good comparison! I can see you have a good knowledge of watches and you come off as a real aficionado! Subscribed!

@ShahLusso

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video and welcome to the channel! :)

Great video, great review. I'm the happy owner of a Grand Langematik 309.21. I have not owned a Patek Phillippe but had the opportunity to hold and examined 2 of them, and yes both brands are top notch when it comes to finish. But that German Silver movement patina tone gives an extra point to ALS.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I totally agree about the German Silver, it gives it such a different feel to the rhodium-plated movements that are in nearly every other watch and that hand engraving on the half bridge of the balance...i could stare at that for hours!

Great video. My fav ALS is the Lange 1 Moon Phase black dial in WG. I’m trying to hunt one down now.

No matter how much patek pumps into their marketing, they can`t change that the QP was invented by Thomas Mudge and the rattrapante by J.T. Winnerl, who also built it as an pocket watch... And also Lange has had wayyy more inovations, even since the 90s, than you listed. By the way, I´m talking as a watchmaker myself here :) nonetheless good video my friend

@alfioorlando7559

3 жыл бұрын

And also George Daniels created an annual calendar before Patek

Lot of information in a short video, thank you! In my personal opinion, A. Lange & Söhne are the most beautiful watches on the planet. Absolute works of art

@ShahLusso

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video, and I couldn’t agree more - Lange watches really are art for the wrist

What an excellent episode!! Really enjoy this

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

Wonderful Video! I enjoyed the History! Both are Gorgeous Fine Time Pieces. I Lean towards A. Lange & Sohne - I love the Clean Elegant look and all the Complications particularly their Chronographs! It would be a hard choice!

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, and needless to say anyone picking between Patek & Lange is going to walk away happy no matter what they pick. I agree though about the Lange chronographs, even the 1815 Grand Complication manages to look so clean despite all the information on the dial!

Your presentation is awesome brother. I swore you has at least 50k subs

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support man 🙏 🙏 🙏 hopefully it'll hit 50k soon enough, make sure to sure the video with anyone else you know that's into watches so that the channel can grow faster :)

great video, It is very apparent that when you speak about these two brands you are truly excited about their history and what they bring to the table today. You make a very strong argument for A. Lange and Sohne being up there with Patek Philipee or any other brand for that matter. The Zeitwerk is my ultimate grail piece.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

The Zeitwork is truly amazing, I just love the concept of mixing digital display with a mechanical movement, i saw one in real life when I was in Dubai and trust me...it doesn't disappoint when you see it in the metal. Hopefully some day i'll get a chance to do a full review on it. Lange's definitely a brand worth exploring more.

@WatchUnwind

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso that's awesome, I can only imagine how good it looks in person. Pretty cool you have traveled so much as well ! I love to travel but haven't been outside of the country much, just traveled around the united states. Living all around the world sounds amazing. Traveling is my first hobby, and I used to be a cage fighter so that' up there, so watches are actually like a close second. Thats awesome you have had that opportunity, can only imagine how that puts things into perspective to see how different people live and what is really important in life.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Wow a cage fighter! That's pretty cool, how long did you do that for? I've been travelling most of my life for one reason or another so its kind of second nature, but it's a blessing being able to see different countries & cultures, and i've also started to see how there's subtly different watch cultures in different places too :)

@WatchUnwind

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso i trained from when i was 15-26, I am 30 now just turned 30 last week. Had 9 MMA fights, 1 boxing, and 1 bare knuckle boxing ill link one of my old fights if you wanted to check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6Rto8yid62eZbw.html what languages can you speak? I assume its difficult to jump around like that if you dont speak the local language That is neat it is pretty cool to see the subtly differences and that this hobby transcends boarders and cultures.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

That's really cool & nice fight in that vid, especially how you turned it around at the end for the win. I speak English, Spanish & German fluently, plus some Italian, French & Arabic. A lot depends where you go, I live in India for example right now and you can get by pretty well with just English, but somewhere like Chile (where I'm from) you need at least a little basic Spanish to get by, but then in lots of countries in Europe most people speak some basic English at least so its easier and easier to travel without knowing the local language, but it doesn't hurt to know a few languages just to make things easier or to turn down the tourist treatment hehe.

Very well researched video. Most collectors will have both pieces in their collections. They are both great in their own ways. I certainly wear Patek for certain occasions. I would say Patek is the more glamorous of the 2. There is a flair and style Patek has when worn. It has a class about it. Not that Lange doesn’t but in a different way. Lange’s detail your attention is outstanding. You can’t find a speck of dust on it. Both are amazing watches and if they stick to what they do best I am sure all the true watch enthusiasts will enjoy the variety.👍

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I completely agree that the two still have very distinct approaches and style despite both playing in similar segments of the market. Without a doubt anyone that's in a position to buy a watch from either Patek or Lange will have a great watch on their hand regardless which on they choose

Nice one! Ongoing tradition has great value, but if Lange did not get the chance to build it up can you really blame them for that? At the end of the day you are not wearing the brand nor the marketing around it on your wrist but the watch! Great content, Shah. Keep on making videos like this!!

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly, thats why for me its not at all a weakness if you consider them as a company established in 1990 given all they've achieved in terms of innovation and creating a reputation & brand identity despite their 50 year hiatus. Thanks for the support & for the comment :)

Literally these are my two favorite brands...

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

I can definitely understand why, they really do make amazing watches

For me it’s Lange all day. Hoping to purchase an 1815 Annual Calendar or 1815 Chronograph in the near future. Enjoyed your presentation.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it :) yeah the 1815 chrono is beautiful, that and the Zeitwerk are my favorites. Though in terms of movements the best looking is the triple split…it’s like a miniature city!

A.Lange & Sohne is a brand I love and their large date is so comfortable for my older eyes.

Is there any connection with the original Czapek company and the modern Czapek company?

Nice video. I still dont have either a PP or A Lange. But I am looking at a 403.035 and a 5712. The thing that holds me back with the 403.035 is the bad retain of value when compared to 5712(which I think is a more boring watch). Do you think that the 403.035 in the future can gain in value?

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

I normally don't put much stock into value retention as a deciding factor, but that being said when I do I'd look at it more from the perspective on buying smart - the lower value retention means that on the pre-owned market you can get much better value when buying, which in a way can hedge against any future depreciation (with most watches the first owner will take the biggest value hit, so you're safer going pre-owned). I wouldn't bet on the Lange would increasing in value necessarily, but looking at the chrono24 historical data it's been relatively stable at an average price of 44k since Jan 2018 so I also don't think you'd lose much if anything on selling it as long as you buy it at the right price. I would say though that it might take longer to sell the Lange just because fewer people know about them, but I think those that do are properly interested in them and are willing to pay what they're worth - conversely, a 5712 has broader appeal and can probably sell faster but that's also why the price for a pre-owned 5712 starts at 77k (Chrono24) on a bracelet vs the Lange which is at ~45k. If it was my money I'd go for the 403.035 vs the 5712 because IMO its a more interesting & better-looking watch (with a much better-looking movement too) - but I don't factor resale value very highly in my preferences so take my opinion with a grain of salt if value retention is a higher priority for you. Hope that helps & let me know which one you end up going with (both are great watches at the end of the day!)

Completely agree, what worries me about PP is that similar to Rolex it is beginning to become more and more commercial, and even though it makes business sense for me, it just takes away from their prestige.

Nice video. I have a Lange 1815 and a Patek 5960. Both are beautiful timepieces but in terms of craftsmanship Lange is hands down the better watch. You don't need a loope to see the difference. In terms of heritage Patek will always have the upper hand. Can't go wrong with any of the two.

I prefer ALS before PP, the finishing is on another level!

Datograph for me all day long , I’m on the list for a pink gold one ☝️

Adrien Philippe (the one who joined Patek) invented and patented sliding pinion mechanism, which is well known as watch crown everyone uses today - so this could be counted as PP invention.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Great addition, without a doubt there's no shortage of Patek innovations, especially when one considers that a lot of their innovations they made for pocket watches first & then reengineered for wristwatches as well, the ones mentioned in the video barely scratch the surface of the contributions Patek's made to the watch world, especially in the late 1800s & early 1900s

The Lange is better; it's creators never lost sight of the watch's purpose and it is designed and constructed accordingly. The finish is as good or better than Patek. But, the Lange gets the win for me because of the design.

Very interesting, thanks for this video, but you forgot to say about accuracy of A Lange and Sohne. Patek is almost like Rolex, but what about Lange?

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Lange unfortunately doesn't officially assert a specific accuracy rating like Patek Philippe. On their website they do allude to ensuring precision and adjusting in 5 positions (same standard as COSC) however nothing as specific as the -3/+2 specified by Patek (which also adjusts to 6 positions instead of 5). Going purely off what each brand officially attests to, I would assume that most likely modern Patek Philippes would be more accurate, but by how much is hard to say without any official figures to compare and it would probably end up varying across different Lange movements, so since there weren't any official figures to compare I decided not to compare them directly on an accuracy basis. Hopefully though that gives more context :)

Shah, I love A Lange and I really want a Saxonia with a flux-faced dial. Should I sell my two sport Rolex’s (both new 2021 models) to finance one A Lange? What’s your take and viewpoint since you love A Lange..lol sorry I know this video is a year old.

@ShahLusso

2 жыл бұрын

Uff, its a tough call, IMO so much depends on what else is in your collection and how much you like the Rolexes you'd be selling. With how Rolex prices are these days, sellers remorse is a costly mistake 😂 Really the only downside to the Saxonia is that being a stright up dress watch it doesn't have the same versatility that a Rolex would have, so if your collection doesn't have anything else to fill that versatility gap you may miss the Rolexes. But if you can get past that and you're not too concerned with resale value then I'd say go for the Lange - the presence on the wrist, the insane quality of the movement decoration are just mind blowing. Even though this video is really old, the Lange's movement is still undefeated in terms of best looking movement decoration that I've seen. Hope that helps! :)

Lange is the one and only watch brand that keeps Patek up at night

Nice video. Would love to have either, but that would require me to sell a few of my time pieces. What’s your view on Glashutte Original? Seems I can get the quality of a Lange but at a quarter of the price. I’m really intrigued by PanoMaticLunar.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have that much experience with Glashutte Original, but from the few that I've handled they're amazing build quality and movement decoration is very high too. I'd put them at the same level as JLC, so definitely up there and with some models they can easily hold their own with the Pateks & Langes of the world. As for the PanoMatic Lunar it's a beautiful watch, i wish i could get one in my hands and do a straight versus with a Lange 1.

@underdog5081

4 жыл бұрын

Shah Lusso that would be great video. Would be interested to see your review on that watch. Unfortunately, There are no AD in Dallas anymore (maybe they will come back?)

Lange is a better watch in my opinion, but I’m hesitant to purchase because of its lackluster demand in the watch market.

For me, the thing is: Patek doesn't really offer a GMT dual time dress watch that's as gorgeous as the Saxonia Dual Time in rose gold with the Sterling silver galvanized dial, 40 mm or 38.4 mm...either case size. That watch is just bad ass. Especially if you are a traveler who loves Rolex GMT watches. The thing is just so beautiful and tight and functional and with a 72 hour power reserve -- compare that to the Rolex 70 hours -- and there is absolutely NO question. I really want a Patek. But before I buy one, I'm getting a Saxonia Dual Time. Yeah. Gotta have that one first.

Actually, you can discuss the brand value and the product value. Evaluated by the product specs, Lange is far over the top compared to Patek. People who know the story did understand right away what A. Lange & Söhne stood for ever since. Just one thing that would have really been interested in: how about accuracy. Would have been interesting to hear.

For a simple date and time. Lange > PP. For overall watch making prowess, PP > Lange.

@isaacmontgomery3030

2 жыл бұрын

Not so sure - Lange finished the Chronograph game

Depend on the watch. It seems Patek world time is a more desirable piece for me. A Lange has great datographs that I really crave for.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, as I made this video I realized how brand to brand comparisons aren’t always the best since there isn’t always a 1:1 comparison between their model ranges and both brands have amazing watches

Not even a debate. Lange is on a another level

@probono3284

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, a lower one. They are undoubtedly a great watch technically but aesthetically they’re all wrong - those digits are like a 1920’s font. And who wants a mechanical digital watch, it’s just a stupid concept. If you want a digital watch then buy one for $5! Pateks have a sophisticated and understated style about them that, unlike Lange, doesn’t shout ‘Look at me, aren’t I different!’ But there’s room for both, and as they’re both great watches I hope they both prosper,

@samuelmichelsen7196

2 жыл бұрын

@@probono3284 Didn't you have heard of Bauhaus-style ? And the datewindow and digital display are not only easy to read but are inspired by a clock in the semper operahous in Dresden, witch was built by the founder of ALS in the 1700. So you're comment shows that you have no knowledge on design or brand history....

Yup its even better BOOIIIII

Answer: No Way...at this corner of the watch market, everything matters and is taken into consideration when spending this kind of money. Patek Philippe stands above all else in heritage, value retention, even value appreciation and brand perception. Lange has invented "extras" for their complications, Patek invented the complications. Lange likes to create new complicated watches for the sake of saying "look at us"..the double and triple split chronos are good examples. You lose the useful complications such as moon phase, perpetual calendar, leap year etc...and gain the extra split functions..getting less watch in my opinion. Patek has mastered pretty much every complication better than their rivals. Lange only competes in the chronograph conversation, beautiful movement on the Dato. Patek will always be the brand all others are chasing.

Problem is it belongs to richemont group now

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Is there anything specific that deteriorated or was pushed too hard since the acquisition from Richemont or do you just put more value on the independence factor? I've only handled post-Richemont Langes so I'll admit my pre-Richemont knowledge & experience with them is pretty limited so it'd be great to get some insight :)

Better. PP cannot produce a triple split

Dont forget that Patek is a mass produced brand and Lange is not. A. Lange makes much more durable, reliable and more accurate watches and the finishing is better. This year Lange is cutting half of the production and aiming to do more complicated watches👍👍

@ShahLusso

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see what other, more complicated watches Lange comes out with :D

@Reference-ev4nu

2 жыл бұрын

Patek makes about 60 thousand pieces a year and ALS makes over 5 thousand. Demand exceeds supply for Patek. They are both the pinnacle of watch making!

@The_real_Mr_Ghost

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reference-ev4nu FYI Patek makes 85k watches a Year. And a lot of them specially Nautilus and aquanaut goes from dealer to dealer and not to end consumer/collector, but ALS watches does….but I’m talking about the quality and ALS is on another level. I own watches from both brands so I’m talking from experience.

Richemont s best move was to buy Lange.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt, and the autonomy they give them is a gutsy move for a big conglomerate but it definitely pays off and gives Lange the best of both worlds in terms of funding/longevity and freedom to create watches true to their brand

Patek Philippe - this is the absolute top in horology post link, veski international expert will tell you and besides are a family company.

And Better that.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

The more I learn about A Lange & Sohne & the more examples I get a chance to interact with, the more I'm inclined to agree :)

lange 1 world time

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful :)

Better

Sí.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Con suerte hoy o mañana subiría la versión en español :)

@ninoskagonzalez1774

4 жыл бұрын

La espero, abrazos Shah!

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Listo con la version en español: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z6Jl29Spn6y3n7A.html

Off course, Lange and Sohne are in the same league as Patek Philippe. Like BMW and Mercedes, like Bentley and Rolls Royce, like Porche and Lotus. Like Lions and Tigers, like Atlantic and the Pacific oceans. Purely preference its subjective.

@ShahLusso

2 жыл бұрын

💯

Casio g shock. A Lange and sohne. Seiko. The fanboys most heavily defended brands.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the 👑 🤣

@reza313_

Жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso what a great comeback😄

I say better

My next watch would be Glashütte original, then I aspire for an IWC, THEN I will sell a kidney to get a Lange.

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Which GO are you thinking of getting?

@rayyesrajy

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso I liked the seventies panorama date. But unfortunately it sold out fast. I am patiently waiting........

Lange makes great watches but fails so hard in marketing and brand awareness that it is becoming a joke nowadays. Part of the reason is that their line is 100% dress watches and with the sports/rubber strap watches being supported by people's increasing desire to dress casually and be more active, the dress watch is not coming back anytime soon. Their latest Odyseuss shows the level of desperation they are at when it comes to missing this boat. Such is the fate of IWC, JLC, Moser, Vacheron, and any other high end dress watch concentrated brand. Lange at the very high end still make the best complicated watches and chronographs but the clientele at that level will not be able to sustain this brand alone.

@ShahLusso

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting parallel drawn to some of those other Richemont brands (plus Moser), and you might be on to something - Patek Philippe & Audemars Piguet had the option to be bold & shake up their respective lineups in the 70's (Nautilus + Royal Oak) & then again in the 90's (Aquanaut + Offshore) in large part due to being independently operated, while Lange may have been held back due to potential overlap with Vacheron, Jaeger & IWCs sports watches - apparently the sports watch project was thought up as far back as 10 years - who knows what their brand perception & position would have been like if they had released it earlier I wonder. One thing's for sure though, when it comes to integrity about quality & decoration Lange definitely makes no compromises, and you're right their chronographs & high complications are amazing.

@geeeforce

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso ive been following the brands for more than a decade and its just disappointing to see lange iwc jlc etc slide into oblivion. Granted they might be crafted well at their respective price points but luxury is an emotion. This is something that rolex AP hublot RM Patek have succeeded in doing. There is a crowd you associate with for each of the successful brands. With the richemont group, they end up selling only a watch, which is not good enough...

@Jay-xr3sb

3 жыл бұрын

@@geeeforce depends of you want to buy an image or pay for the craft. I choose Lange, its foe me to enjoy bot flaunt.

Nope it's even better

@ShahLusso

3 жыл бұрын

After making this video, I'm inclined to agree :) hopefully sometime in the near future I can start doing some more direct side by side comparisons to see how they compare on a model to model level

No, it's better than pp

Rollies n pateks are for ppl with no class A label of status or wealth A Lange n Sohne is the epitome of regal levels Intricacy,attention to detail….beauty The name alone has ring to it….yes Patel have been alone for over a century but Sohne took it to another level….

@ShahLusso

2 жыл бұрын

The more exposure I have to this brand the more I agree, Lange really is another level & more than deserves a place in the top tiers of watchmaking, especially with things like the triple split and Zeitwerk...amazing watches :D

Hands down AL&S…

He states that you do not need to see Lange engraved on the piece to know its a Lange, well you cant ignore it as it's cheaply engraved on every part of the watch, everyone in the watch industry will know (or should do) that Patek Philippe is the brand that every other looks up to, just simply increasing the price of your watches does not make it a better watch..

Long story short its better than Patek not as good as.

Actually better. Technically, they have more advanced movements and their finishing is better

Patek Philipp is thousands times better than German aLänge & Sonne

Thats pretty stupid. Simply because they weren't called A Lange and Sohne, and they were on vacation for a while... A rose is a rose, and by any other name it would still be A. Lange and Sohne !