BTW Correction: There IS CarPlay/Android Auto in this car!

@_Bran

2 ай бұрын

thanks mark

@FatTracksMusic

2 ай бұрын

Thank god, that was shocking

@Jushwa

2 ай бұрын

lol thank you for issuing this correction, as it’s one of the most commonly requested/sought after features. It would be silly for them not to include it on a 2024 model 🤣

@runnerslow

2 ай бұрын

Doesnt byd sell cars in USA? They make some good cars for less than 25k usd

@long2181998

2 ай бұрын

With enough human rights violations, any price is possible.

wait till this man discovers the Dacia Spring we have in Europe...

@LaunchKaffee

2 ай бұрын

It’s bad tho. Like even for Dacia standards. If the Spring was like an electrified Sandero Stepway, it would actually be decent.

@user-sd3ik9rt6d

2 ай бұрын

​@@LaunchKaffee it's ' an car ', a tool or appliance.

@ChristianMCI

2 ай бұрын

It's not really a Dacia, let's be honest, they just copied a Chinese car and slapped Dacia on it.

@damneddude8299

2 ай бұрын

Plus 5k rebate from gov here in italy its 16k instead of 21k

@LaunchKaffee

2 ай бұрын

For many people “an car” is way more than just “a tool or appliance”. Why do you think the BMW X6 is successful? Style, comfort, space, Driving dynamics and more is important to many people

The title should be 'Is a $25,000 electric car even possible in the US?' Because outside the US $9,700 electric car that can carry 5 people is already in the market.

@tigerlancer

2 ай бұрын

America should just allow gas kei cars. USA cannot make a decent $10k to $25k EV yet. Kei cars are cars with less than 0.66l engine.

@VirtualTech

2 ай бұрын

Facts.... Even India has excellent evs in that price

@Tomren44

2 ай бұрын

@@VirtualTech and don’t have the same quality or reliability

@VirtualTech

2 ай бұрын

@@Tomren44 what are you talking about? They are reliable.

@krishmaheshwari8061

2 ай бұрын

@@VirtualTech how much range...Chinese EVs - like the BYD seagull - have at most 200-210 miles, adjusted for EPA standards. There isn't any car under 25k that can go 300+ miles consistently yet and most of them have poor build quality.

European here. My mum has this car. The lease is costing her 100€ / month and the electricity costs her about 100€ / year. She uses it for daily commute and normal life stuff around town. She only needs to charge it overnight once a week. You can't beat that.

@robertdog9215

Ай бұрын

100 / month not real. If price is 30k then it would be EV lease for 25 years. Not real.

@MrVal0uch

Ай бұрын

​@@robertdog9215there is a subsidised leasing program in France for electric cars that makes this price possible

@GeezsRapsa

Ай бұрын

@@robertdog9215 Pretty much every EU gov has programs or significant subsidies for the purchase of EVs.

@chriskonte1909

Ай бұрын

@@robertdog9215 Yes 100€ a month is a thing even lower like 80 a month can be possible here is how it's done: You walk into a Fiat dealership and order like here a 500 electric. You go for the base model because you wanna safe money, so you get a 23,8 kWh battery with 95hp 190km/118mi range combined 257km/159mi city only. You get as options: -The exterior color Red by (RED) 500€ -The Comfort-Package for 1500€ including: heated exterior mirrors, arm rest up front, heated wiper elements on the front windscreen, 50/50 folding rear seats, heated front seats, a hight ajustable driver seat, 360° "Drone View" reverse camera, and a blind spot assist -And a bigger Mode 2 Charging cable for 250€ So you end up currently at around 27.000€ (because of a special discount Fiat offers you right know, because EV sales dropped in all over Europe) you still have 15 inch steel wheels with hubcaps and halogen headlights, both are in a package that would cost another 1500€ but again it's a mini-compact car so you might not need it. You lease the car for 48 month/ 4 years. The back wants to make 1500€ profit, so the car costs 29.500€. Now here's were it gets interesting, and how leases in general work. You order the car and it comes 5 month later. Your car gets registered on your name and you sign a few papers and pay the destination fee. Then the vehicle documents are gonna get send to the bank, because they pay the 27.000€ for the car. Now let's say the bank calcutes that the car is worth 19.000€ after the 4 years that you used the car, so it's 27.000-19.000=8000 and the 8000€ get devided by 48 because of the lease month you'd end up at 222 a month. That still to much, so the banks just use a final rate. of 3000€ an you'd already end up a 105€ a month. They could also just calcute the car higher or when the lease is over they calcute potential scrates and damages higher than expected. So to lease a car it's usally just interesting as a company to avoid the 19% product taxes.

@IpodAppsEverywhere

Ай бұрын

@@robertdog9215hahaha such an American comment. 😂

Remember this is a European car, made for European cities. The cars here are in general smaller than in the US. Parking spaces are narrow and small. And trust me (I'm from the Netherlands). Driving a Tesla Model 3 through Amsterdam is already challenging, let alone in small cities in Italy. So, it's also made this small on purpose. I'm absolutely sure batteries will become cheaper and smaller. The amounts of rare metals in batteries is declining, so they become cheaper as this is the main cost driver.

@logitech4873

Ай бұрын

I drove a Tesla model 3 through Amsterdam. It was the dumbest thing I've ever done in that car

@pvic6959

Ай бұрын

@@logitech4873 what made it a bad idea?

@Ottobon

Ай бұрын

That and also development cost is probably a huge thing. Yes they have all been out for awhile but it still feels like someone is making it the first time every new model that launches. I don't know exactly what is going on with the BYD everyone is mentioning but if i had to guess besides labor costs being insanely low they just stuck to basics and exactly the things that work, everyone keeps trying to reinvent what a electric car should be before we have even settled on a basic standard (i mean in regards to interface etc, all the little things.) I believe by comparison the BYD is a electric tractor that is comfortable enough, but thats fine, at least they seemed to crack some standard to driving down costs.

@logitech4873

Ай бұрын

@@pvic6959 Extremely dense traffic, very difficult to find a parking spot, the most cramped parking garage I've ever experienced with the steepest exit ramp in the world (scraped the underside of the car good).

@artemis83

Ай бұрын

​@@pvic6959the Model 3 is simply too big for the roads and parking spots in Amsterdam. And I would say Amsterdam is a quite spacious city by Italian standards. Try Rome, Naples or Genoa. I think american drivers have an understandable problem in even wondering why those cars are so small. They may think it is a style choice or a cutting-cost need. But they are designed like that because it's mandatory to be used.

I was part of the team that help launch this vehicle. This car does have One Pedal Drive, you can switch the drive mode between Normal, Range and Sherpa. The last two have OPD. Also, the vehicle is equipped with wireless android auto and apple car play or you can connect via USB. Feel free to reach out

@TroubleMitten

2 ай бұрын

now a lot of ppl will think it doesn't have those features unless they read this comment smh

@bfvader

2 ай бұрын

@@TroubleMitten Car reviews from tech youtubers (MKBHD and especially LTT) are pretty notorious for completely missing or misunderstanding details like this.

@Mesothorax

2 ай бұрын

Came here to write this. My girlfriend is driving this car (and loves it). It is a wonderful little city car. Of course it’s not a long range model, but do you really need that? We’re living in Germany, where you don’t have the very long drives on a daily basis and she is getting around for a week without charging. Of course it has some more plastic, but it’s fine, you get the same in the small ICE cars.

@A.X.N

2 ай бұрын

Still too expensive for what it is

@handlemonium

2 ай бұрын

I believe the upcoming Aptera us going to have OPD too 😁

one day MKBHD will discovery a world outside of USA

@razvanlex

Ай бұрын

No, he won't.

@onthefence928

Ай бұрын

the US market is where most of his viewers and experience are. foriegn cars are not very attainable in the US market because of import restrictions

@razvanlex

Ай бұрын

@@onthefence928 What do you mean? The majority of cars are foreign in the US. In the top 10 car sales brands there is Ford on 2nd place and Chevrolet on 3rd. The rest are Japanese or Korean. 8th place is Jeep but they are owned by Stellantis Group.

@Bi5muth_

Ай бұрын

@@razvanlex He means that a lot of the vehicles that are cheap that aren't available in the US in the first place due to not being sold here have a 25 year import "ban" on them. The only way to get the ban on one model of vehicle lifted is by spending an exorbitant amount of money, effort, and time to get a single model approved to be imported, including crash testing, emmisions testing, and other safety/environmental testing of the like, and its coming out of the person's wallet that's trying to import it. At least 6 figures for a "cheap" imported car less than 25 years old.. It's dumb

@hihi-ok2rc

Ай бұрын

​@razvanlex well it's actually more complicated then that us has alot of car laws and loopholes for those laws for example u can own 25 year old unsafe kei trucks in the US but not their brand new ones because of regulations

It looks like MKBHD has never been in an economic combustion car either

@ulwur

Ай бұрын

His first car was a Tesla model s plad if i recall correctly.

@theowainwright7406

Ай бұрын

@ulwur if this is true how out of touch is this guy

@zacharyhenderson2902

Ай бұрын

​@@theowainwright7406well he's a tech reviewer who lives in a city. He's not out of touch, he just doesn't live where most of us live, and for most of his life he didn't really have to drive that much

“There’s no CarPlay, no Android Auto” *pans to show CarPlay button* 💀

@leokins2536

2 ай бұрын

Marq does zero research for his videos. That's something he could have easily found if he played around in the car infotainment. He spent the entire video saying theres no $25k EVs even though outside of America they are plentiful.

@iambear.6526

2 ай бұрын

@@leokins2536 Shocker..... He's American.

@Alazen.

2 ай бұрын

America = World 🇺🇸

@cooliipie

2 ай бұрын

This is why I stopped watching him years ago ...

@DownwithEA1

2 ай бұрын

@@cooliipie how are you commenting then?

I feel like this could be the first time that MKBHD has reviewed a "normal" European car that I see most days

@steved2947

24 күн бұрын

No, it's not a normal version, The Fiat 500X, the larger version of this car, is the actual "normal" European car.

@gracelandtoo6240

18 күн бұрын

You must not live in Europe bc the regular 500 size is much more common than the 500X.

You say there is no Apple car play / Android Auto: the Button is clearly visible on the screen...

Citroen eC3 is coming out right now in EU for about $25,000 and it's a decent small 5-door SUV/Cross Over with 200miles of range. Comfortable, save and fits 4 to 5 people. So question answered. The US Car market is so limited, that's the problem.

Next Fiat 500e advert: "Feels like my Porsche 911" - Auto Focus

@atirageNS

2 ай бұрын

Renault had an ad like that, comparing the Renault 4 to Ferrari.

@oliveelephant

2 ай бұрын

@@atirageNS I recall the Citroen 2CV ad comparing it to a Ferrari (a 2CV at 71.5MPH is faster than a Ferrari at 63MPH), Rolls (they both have the same number of wheels) & Porsche (the 2CV has more interior space). Would link pic but YT doesn't like it.

@jorgealfonsodrijas2110

2 ай бұрын

"... with a little more leg room." Auto Focus

@noa-3053

Ай бұрын

there was an old ad in italy (or i heard it) that showed a fiat 500 saying "when i grow, i'll become a porsche" considering both had posterior aspirated engine

@AtheistDD

Ай бұрын

@@oliveelephant porsche and 2cv is interesting both boxer engine but the engines are literally on the most different end of the car.

The problem is that you just accept that this is a $32k car while as many others have said, it is really a 20k car or even less in some countries.

@binkjones

2 ай бұрын

10k would be a solid price

@TqmmPl

2 ай бұрын

@@sillystuff6247 Around Central Europe (SK, CZ) it's starting from 24k EUR and you can get up to 6k Eur from government for EV. So with good combination you can be under 20k usd.

@bingobongo1615

2 ай бұрын

@@TqmmPlit is now on special sale for 24k in the 23 kWh battery version… The price was 29k€… And this is quite expensive if you apply this to European wages… 32k$ will feel much cheaper to Americans

@mysticx07

2 ай бұрын

Prices need to be compared to the country cost of living and not directly comparing prices from different countries otherwise it’s biased

@TqmmPl

2 ай бұрын

@@bingobongo1615 well that goes without saying. In general I don't get why 500e goes to USA. It's clearly an EU, APJ market product. Very Compact one. Stellantis reverse logic strikes again, and again they will be like "why we don't make sales?" + it starting price in EU countries is from 23k eur. So Again "depends on version"

Bro helppp we got this in 2022 here in Italy / Europe. Americans are like yt shorts users sometimes😭😭

@robertozamcu3533

Ай бұрын

Yes, I commented two times.

"There is no Apple CarPlay nor Android Auto" *Shows us the Apple CarPlay logo*

In Europe you can buy the Citroën ë-C3 for 23.300€ and the battery can do 324km, so yeah, we already have a electric vehicle below the 25k!

@N1ckZ

2 ай бұрын

It's a good car, but the new Renault 5 is better

@stepstv275

2 ай бұрын

@@N1ckZ See you already got two cars in Europe

@N1ckZ

2 ай бұрын

@@stepstv275 I can think of 2 more, that will will be revealed this year. The new Nissan Micra, which will be based on the Renault 5, and the new FIAT Panda which will be based on that Citroën ë-C3, the person above me mentioned.

@andrequeda

Ай бұрын

Funny enough, you can still buy for 10000€ less the combustion engine version with a the triple of range. I mean. I don’t get why. Because of R&D? It’s old tech! It’s just to normalise a price that shouldn’t be normalised. For less range should be cheaper.

@zablonkirera2689

Ай бұрын

Except when convert 23 thousand plus euros into dollars, it goes past 25k dollars

Well EVs under $25k are plentiful in other markets...

@Battleneter

2 ай бұрын

And still failing to sell as price is not the biggest issues with EV's.

@t650i2

2 ай бұрын

@@Battleneter Failing? Look at china Wuling EV.

@seowebua

2 ай бұрын

He did zero research for this video

@danielgoldstein4241

2 ай бұрын

Chinas EV prices are heavily subsidized by the government. Not a fair market comparison. It’s why Biden raised tariffs on them

@slevinsleven2775

2 ай бұрын

For 25k Imma get another nice sedan instead of this kind of cars. No way I'm giving up comfort for electric if the choice is given.

In the UK, this is the most expensive EV in the segment. Actually maybe the Honda-E is more.

MKBHD in this video felt like those ppl in an interview that have no idea about any country outside of USA 😂

@LastofAvari

Ай бұрын

Wait, you're saying there are other countries outside of the US beyond Canada and Mexico?! /S

Fiat 500 isn't supposed to be a budget car. You're paying for the looks and the fiat 500-brand because it's an iconic car

@Rockyroad321

2 ай бұрын

Yeah fiats are iconic

@BehruzbekOtayev

2 ай бұрын

What? Fiat is nowhere near iconic.

@hilium6730

2 ай бұрын

iconic lol

@ubiquit4s

2 ай бұрын

the 500 is in all respects an iconic car. Find out about its history

@stoff3r

2 ай бұрын

@@BehruzbekOtayev what?

There are a few things I noticed when watching this. 1) It does have Android Auto and Apple Carplay. 2) It does have 1-pedal driving. Just put it in Range mode. 3) The startup and shutdown jingles are much less creepy in america. In the UK, it's a different one and it's really eerie lol 4) My version of this car has 90 miles of range. And it's more than enough for me. 5) The back seats are tiny, yeah. But I wanna quickly give a shoutout to my Mum, who sat in the back of this car when I did my driving test and she somehow managed. 6) My biggest gripe is that the seats don't go up or down.

@spicesmuggler2452

2 ай бұрын

RANGE IS 199 MILES HES A LIAR

@spicesmuggler2452

2 ай бұрын

BACK SEATS CAN BE PUT DOWN FOR MORE TRUNK SPACE. DIFFERENT DRIVE MODES CAN EXTEND RANGE

@frostcorgi4464

2 ай бұрын

@@spicesmuggler2452 the heck are you yelling about?

@manframed

2 ай бұрын

If you spend €3000 more and get the prima version all those problems (seat height adjustment etc) have been solved. Also, the chime can be turned off through the settings. Marques, it's really disappointing how little research you did for this car.

@omriel

2 ай бұрын

This should be taken more seriously man. Euro owners rejoice!

In Mexico we just got the BYD Dolphin Mini, basically the smallest electric car BYD builds and it’s selling like hot cakes just for that reason: it’s a usable $25k electric car. It’s a 4 door hatchback, sits 4 people comfortably, it’s got a nice design, feels well built with good materials, has all the tech bells & whistles you may want, it’s got a proven drivetrain since BYD is great with its electric vehicles, and over all of that it starts at just over $21k USD with a 186 mile range. For $23k you get 236 miles of range. It’s simply the best electric car for the price range here and it surpasses the Fiat in every spec. Don’t get me wrong, I love that electric Fiat but I do believe it’s overpriced and not as nicely specced as the European version. I don’t know how BYD did such a great job with its car, but it would be amazing if you ever got a chance to test one.

@sarper94

Ай бұрын

Only thing proven with BYD is how their batteries combust and catch fire on its own, even when parked.

@garythecyclingnerd6219

Ай бұрын

@@sarper94Sure bud, keep telling yourself China bad.

@sarper94

Ай бұрын

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 Even in China, people know that BYD vehicles combust on their own. Some underground and multi floor car parks do not even allow BYD vehicles in. Its not about China. For example, MG is better.

@ron999

Ай бұрын

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 He is not wrong.

@Ricklard478

Ай бұрын

@@sarper94 >MG is better oh nononono.....

MG4. You need to fly over to the UK and drive a MG4.

"There's no CarPlay, no Android auto." while there is clearly a CarPlay logo on the screen while he is showing it. 😂

@mentally.retired

2 ай бұрын

I came looking for this comment... what in the world? Even if hes talking about cheap EVs in general not having carplay, this one clearly does...

@hareeshkrishnaa5642

2 ай бұрын

he pinned a comment regarding that

@nefariou5

2 ай бұрын

@@hareeshkrishnaa5642 should add text on the screen to correct it though

@pusheenomics

2 ай бұрын

Is it really an MKNHD video if It doesn't have basic mistakes?

@silentKeys20

2 ай бұрын

@@pusheenomicsname me 10 vids where he makes "basic mistakes" with timestamps please.

2:43 Fiat 500 predates Mini, so its actually Mini looking like Fiat.

@AlexMi77

Ай бұрын

Yep. Probably didn’t look the books for this one.

What’s the name of that little disc mic you are using for these videos?

My mom has this electric fiat 500. It's perfect for a city like Berlin. It's not for long road trips. Just daily city commutes & grocery shopping

Man, we have Tata Punch EV in India priced roughly at $15000. 1. Around 300kms (186 miles) of real-life range 2. Android Auto and Apple Car play 3. Different levels of regeneration 4. Good looks 5. Proper 5 seater Base variant comes even cheaper around $13000. Then, there is Tata Tiago which starts at $10000 with no screens, 250kms of range but still a proper 5 seater

@manuapynadath

2 ай бұрын

MG Comet EV as well

@UnknownBoss007

2 ай бұрын

Tata naxon ev a proper ev with ev platform, all safety feature comes under 25000 as base as well as decent models

@riyallydekhna

2 ай бұрын

Nexon ev top model is exact $25,000.

@TEAML3ZAR

2 ай бұрын

@@manuapynadathit is the same like this car. It’s not a good car

@sammy_1178

2 ай бұрын

you cant really compare the US market to the Indian market though

Imagine this. You live in Italy, you have a lot of low emissions zones, work in the city centre, small parking spaces, you need a zippy car that is electric and costs less than a Tesla. Now the cheaper options start to make some sense, especially if you don’t do more than 5-20km a day, as it often happens around the EU. It is clearly an economy car, but as far as these cars go, this seems like a solid choice overall. You get some extra features here and there, a decent design, some thought went into all the parts. I’d say it cannot make sense in the USA, that’s for sure.

@etherealicer

2 ай бұрын

According to American Driving Survey: 2022, the average American drives 30.1 miles each day. It's not just the Europe, the US too. Considering that roughly 60% of all households in the US have 2 or more cars, having a smaller one is totally a working option (with the slight disadvantage that you have to share the road with enormous trucks).

@Josh_Quillan

2 ай бұрын

monthly ticket for the bus/train + car share membership for those occasional 'I need to drive' situations it is, then.

@etherealicer

2 ай бұрын

​@@Josh_Quillan I personally add in a bicycle. Other than that, probably the most economical and environmentally friendly solution.

Your videos are so entertaining. Just enough details without beeing boring or too excited. Peace.

that little outro sound knocked me tf out omg

4:36 “there’s no CarPlay, there’s no Android Auto “ The screen: 👁️👄👁️

The space and design are mostly because of the traditional Fiat 500 which has been made for decades. This is just an electric version of an existing car, and I guess not designing from scratch will change how people view it. Also, the no mirror on drivers side is a safety thing I think, maybe not so common in America!

@Fanatic17

2 ай бұрын

I love in Europe my car has the driver side only mirror. The 500e is developed on a electric platform so no it’s not the 2010s 500

@TheTapMusic

2 ай бұрын

There are quite a few US cars that don't have a driver side flip down mirror, not sure why Marques pointed that out as strange

@fatalfallacy

2 ай бұрын

The 500e is not just an electric version of the 500. Different platform, way more space, longer, wider, different wheelbase.

@ssjtalla23

2 ай бұрын

@@fatalfallacy it is just an electric version of the same design language. It probably had to be developed again and used different platform because of batteries, but it is basically the same car design.

@johnsalamii

2 ай бұрын

it may be a common thing in fiats. my dad's bravo doesn't have a mirror on the driver side either

In Italy, and i think is the same in the rest of Europe we have one pedal drive. I'm the owner of a 500e 42kwh battery (the largest version). The price you say for this version is the one I paid for my version (the more expensive one here is 33/35 depending on the optionals.

I'm assuming the Citroen ami isn't available in the US. I'd love to see you trying to squeeze into one of those

The Bolt was 26,700 with 260 miles of range. Seems weird that he'd forgotten that.

@baronvonjo1929

2 ай бұрын

Still expensive for a objectively ugly strange design with low range.

@hapcot

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't have over 300 miles of range, that was one of the parameters he literally started with

@slevinsleven2775

2 ай бұрын

it's also fkn ugly.

@linusmlgtips2123

2 ай бұрын

He literally mentioned the bolt?

@AtticusThings

2 ай бұрын

@@baronvonjo1929 Its not low range. It's the same range as an entry level model 3.

1.That seems like a perfectly reasonable 2nd car for a family. Almost no one needs 2 Ioniqs or Blazer EVs. 2. In most urban areas, 90%+ of daily commute is under 100 miles. If you have reliable home charging or a charging network, a 100 mile range second car *is fine*. Americans (and US automakers) are obsessed with a 300 mph range car because that's what they're used to for a gas car, not because it's actually useful or applicable. 3. China makes EVs they can sell for $15k. The US automakers are trying to get them banned, because they cannot compete. Yes, it's possible. Just not from US automakers.

@antontkach

2 ай бұрын

If I live in a city, how can I charge my car? Drop an extension cord from my balcony to trickle charge?

@afonsoabreu5144

2 ай бұрын

@@antontkach If you live in the city, aint no way you are able to have your car outsite a garage

@antontkach

2 ай бұрын

@@afonsoabreu5144 my city usually has designated car parking spaces ranging from 1 per floor to 1 per flat depending on when it was built (soviet planning 1980 style vs modern 2018). I could realistically just drop an extension cable from my 4th floor and somewhat conceal it for not to damage the guidelines on aesthetics, but there are 90 flats per 9 storey building and it's wrong to expect everyone to be doing this Parking spaces from soviet era kinda makes me wish that I was living in the usa concrete parking hell, because there's around 6 cars per 10 people. Being a son in a family of 3, we already had a problem having 2 cars in family. Then I moved out to the outskirts of the city where pensioners live for cheaper housing and more car parking. I literally can't own a car, because there's nowhere to park in 0.5 mile/0.8 km radius and it's easier to just walk the same distances to a bus stop or extra 200 meters to another one. BUT I REALLY WANT A SMOL URBAN EV Prius 2023 costs 48k eur base model, cause tarifs, if I would like to visit another city. Big sad Speaking from Estonia

@goostador

2 ай бұрын

@@antontkach I was walking around in London and saw the street light poles having an outlet for electric cars. Maybe I was in a fancy neighborhood, but thought "what a great idea".

@LemironStarling

2 ай бұрын

Agree with your points, coming from a 500 Abarth owner of 11yrs. Also as many people I see here in Texas buying golf carts and side by sides to go to the Dollar store or the liquor store. However they wouldn't consider a small EV such as the 500 next to their larger vehicles, it's a shame for all the hate on small, low range vehicles(in the US)

The one mirror just for the passenger is kinda an italian thing i think, I'm italian and I noticed that most if not all fiat cars have only the passenger side mirror, is probably to reduce the chances that the driver looks at him self instead of the road. My first VW i had both and I was like... Wow, what do I do with this?

As he talked about the trunk space I got and ad for a moving trailer. 😂

I like how he just casually ignores the rest of the global market where EVs under $25k are not just possible but is the reality for most market.

@cooliipie

2 ай бұрын

This 😂

@papaspooks8531

2 ай бұрын

is that after government subsidies or just normal MSRP?

@ActuallyGoose

2 ай бұрын

Even in a country like Australia that potentially has the worst adoption of EV's, 25k is becoming a very close reality. $25K USD is about $38K AUD and there's the BYD Dolphin, MG4/ZS EV, GWM Ora that all come in between around the $35k mark and are basically this but better. Honestly china is killing it with EV's lately

@Bob-jn8jt

2 ай бұрын

@@papaspooks8531 Normal MSRP. The world is bigger than the US. There are a lot of car brands out there.

@papaspooks8531

2 ай бұрын

@@Bob-jn8jt sure, but why so much cheaper? is it like that new toyota truck where it can't be sold in the states due to safety regulations or what?

$25k 10 years ago was equivalent to $33k now. So did we kinda get there already?

@Markoboy99

2 ай бұрын

Good point

@AutoFocus

2 ай бұрын

I guess that's basically where I landed hah. 25K is a difference price at different moments in time

@Jehayland

2 ай бұрын

That’s actually an excellent point. I think the problem is that, strictly speaking, inflation tracks the general buying power of the American dollar and not the buying power of the average consumer. Perhaps the currency itself is inflated but the average money folks have to spend on a vehicle has not kept up with inflation. (Don’t know whether that’s true or not though)

@MobilAvenue_

2 ай бұрын

It does have one peddle driving

@stevenichols4639

2 ай бұрын

That’s exactly the point I was gonna make 25,000 was the price point 10 years ago. Standard inflation makes that 33000. so we got there but I don’t think this is the car that’s gonna make them sell yet

$25k - Doesn't need full digital displays. Just needs a radio and AC at most. Doesn't need what looked like a digital door unlock. Doesn't need lane keeping assist and things that use some sort of radar system. Could also try just reducing the price given they make more profit than needed. Other companies around the world are able to produce an EV for less than $25k.

I had the Fiat 500e for about 6 months and it was absolutely adorable. So much personality in a tiny body, they really did a great job updating the legendary Fiat 500. edit: what do you mean there's no one-pedal driving? It worked absolutely fine for me.

First ever time I feel like MKBHD focused so much on topic, he forgot to accurately review the product.

@cooliipie

2 ай бұрын

First time?

@rubidot

2 ай бұрын

This video was about the topic, not a review of the product. I expect he'll have another video focused on this Fiat 500.

@Dylanbforthree

2 ай бұрын

This is why we subscribe to marques, videos like this. Its context in the EV market is what makes it interesting

@hazaelvega4366

2 ай бұрын

@@Dylanbforthree seeing it from that perspective, it makes sense!

Stellantis builds the Fiat 500, which is the shape it is for iconic/historic reasons - the tiny back seat has more to do with the car's heritage than the price point. Stellantis is also building the Citroen eC3 in Europe, just one of many EVs they build there, which has more range and is larger with a much more useable rear seat - and that costs

Watched this video last night, and the next suggested video was a review of the Citroen eC3, which is the next size up and is on sale in Europe at just over the 25000 USD price point.

Almost choked on my food when he entered that back seat🤣🤣🤣

In Europe we do have the Dacia Spring that starts at 16900€ (around $18k) with 140 miles of range. The thing is, it is very cheap inside, and very basic features (base version doesnt even have a radio). But I do believe that a good $25k eletric car is more than possible with time.

@great-one0389

2 ай бұрын

Also are byds more expensive in Europe than in China?

@diegoiarossini6196

2 ай бұрын

It's true, but the model that starts at that price also has a speed limit of 120 km/h. If I'm not mistaken, the Spring, in general, is a Chinese kit car that Dacia customizes. If surcharges on Chinese cars are implemented, its price will rise as well.

@alexandregeracao6345

2 ай бұрын

​@@great-one0389Yeah, and they dont have all the models on sale in every country. In my country the cheapest eletric BYD is the Dolphin which starts at 30k€

@alexandregeracao6345

2 ай бұрын

​@Rivr23Yeah most likelly, still, it would probably be under those $25k

@louisgoniva2504

2 ай бұрын

The new Citroën ë-C3 is $25k and has 200 miles of range. And is pretty nice inside as well. Go watch some videos on it I really think we do have a nice $25k EV already

I own the Fiat 500e convertible in Germany and absolutely love it! My wife has her Model 3 and I came from a Model Y. It's perfect for the city. Fits in every parking space and basically turns on a dime! I also have the model with the bigger 42kwh battery and get a realistic range of 185 miles (300km).

Hahahah MKB in the back seat is hilarious, Great video btw

I have a 2013 Fiat 500e. The program then yielded $7500 fed, and $2500 state money for a $24k car. We have 55k miles on it, and it has never had a problem. The tax rebate made the $10k difference.

At 4:35 you say there is no CarPlay as you show the CarPlay logo on the middle screen?

@ItsDadoza

2 ай бұрын

It has CarPlay and it looks great on it too.

@PedroHenriquePS00000

2 ай бұрын

yea wtf these reviewers cant be trusted... i only trust doug demuro

@anonimous__user

2 ай бұрын

CarPlay is only available in Europe

@calebharris4127

2 ай бұрын

@@PedroHenriquePS00000bruh do you and 3 other ppl not know if MKBHD

@PedroHenriquePS00000

2 ай бұрын

@@calebharris4127 he is super credible doing phones stuff, CLEARLY not cars...

the 500 is not designed to reduce cost. it’s a small live style car. in europe it’s an icon and a favorite on cities.

China makes plenty of decent affordable EVs (sub 20k) with good range. They don't come to the USA because of tariffs, tensions, etc..

in India we got TATA NEXON ev (its a small suv) with 220 miles of range at $18k

The range makes sense for what this car is made for. It's a city car made for short trips to work, taking the sprogs to school and so forth.

You should get your hands on a Dacia Spring. That box with a battery of a car starts at like the equivalent of 10k usd

@Manaleyjr

2 ай бұрын

They don't have it in the USA

5:22 I had a 500e as a rental on Mallorca. Dint know if thats a model specific thing, but the one I had did infact have one oedal driving. I just hat to switch to another driving mode with the Switch next to the parking brake and it would come to a complete stop when letting of the accelerator.

Hi Marques, can you please do a review on the Lexus TX500h, which is a hybrid vehicle, and describe all of its features and your take, as I am considering taking a look at this car?

Yes, absolutely. The Chinese are already making ones, but the US government is charging a ridiculous import taxes that makes the price significantly higher than it is in China.

@edfhobbies556

2 ай бұрын

BYD can sell Seagull with tariff and dealer mark up and still be under 25k in US, BYD wont invest in dealerships or US road certification for some reason.

@carsonj4031

2 ай бұрын

the issue with opening the floodgates to cheap chinese EVs is it really lowers the quality floor and would probably start a race to the bottom in terms of quality (and safety). Plus all the geo political nonsense of course and not to mention the potential american jobs that could be lost.

@steak5599

2 ай бұрын

@@edfhobbies556 Have you actually see the Seagull? That thing only has 75 horsepower Motor and built like a Geo Metro. We had a lot of Gasoline Cars for low price back then and not many people bought it. US Car shoppers simply have a different mindset from EU and Asia.

@waynerussell6401

2 ай бұрын

BYD SEAL basic is $20k+ in China and twice that in Europe. Only one China export to SE Asia and Latin America scrapes in at $15 base - Geely Emgrand GSe - a converted ICE compact.

@ludicrousaf7659

2 ай бұрын

@@carsonj4031 if you have seen even one Chinese EV that's at the price range of $25000 you wouldn't say "they lower the quality floor" when compared to the fiat in the video

I don't care about the cheap feel of interior if I know I'm buying a cheap EV. I just want to have an EV that I can actually afford that has more than 150 miles of range at least and charge fast to counter the lower range. I don't care about wireless charging phone or sweet infotainment graphics or none of that. I just want a car with an electric motor and at least 150 miles of range, so I got an used Nissan Leaf 2023 for $17k with 15k miles on it and I love it. I call it the boring electric car which is great.

@Markoboy99

2 ай бұрын

Thats a good option, even more so now that there are ChaDeMo -> CCS adapters.

@olivertessier7306

2 ай бұрын

I would recommend an old Tesla model S, I've seen some go for like 20k in really good shape. But of course might not be what you're looking for.

@etbadaboum

2 ай бұрын

With an entry-level e-C3 you don't even have a central screen but you plug in your smartphone with a dedicated app, reduces cost

@michalandrejmolnar3715

2 ай бұрын

The charging will definitely accelerate in the future. Up to 150 miles charged in 10 minutes

@Markoboy99

2 ай бұрын

@@etbadaboum The 500e actually has a version of it too that has no screen at all and only a smartphone holder. Theres also a version with smaller screen than showed on this video

wait till this man discovers the Fiat Mobi we have in Brazil...

Haven't you noticed that in the charging pad there is the current Skyline of Turin, where the 500 e is produced 😊

"no EV under 25k" BYD Seagull: am I a joke to you?

@bonganipeter9433

2 ай бұрын

Marquees is too much focused on the American Market of Evs, or he knows and deliberately downplays it.

@mitchib1440

2 ай бұрын

Just wait a week until you can get a Fisker Ocean for less than 1k lol

@mikexia7711

2 ай бұрын

true​@@bonganipeter9433

@AndrewTSq

2 ай бұрын

BYD are cheap in China, and very expensive in Europe. BYD Atto 3 is higher priced than a Tesla Model Y for example.

@pretol2730

2 ай бұрын

yes, Chinese 'economics' of govt subsidies to support trash capitalism at the cost of poverty-ridden Chinese population is A JOKE.

Check the Renault R5, it's a 25K electric car even though i don't think it will be sold in the US

@bullshitbingo2259

2 ай бұрын

Awesome EV. I am looking forward to the Volkswagen ID.2 and Cupra Raval tho, because they have slightly more range and are a bit more spacious

@Pengu69420

2 ай бұрын

Didn't know abut that one, it looks so cool tho!

@TheFPSPower

2 ай бұрын

Probably our best hope for a 25k car tbh but still it's 300km /180miles range for base model, for the 400km range version it will be way more expensive I bet.

@bullshitbingo2259

2 ай бұрын

@@TheFPSPower the 400km WLTP range version was revealed with a base price of 33k just a few days ago. I think with all options checked you can probably reach into the 36k price bracket. The Volkswagen ID.2 will start at 25k, but the big battery version will probably cost the same as the Renault 5 with the bigger battery. The Cupra Raval will start at 30k but will also offer better specs for the base version. The Renault R5 is awesome but a bit too expensive for what it offers. It is a lifestyle EV like the Mini Cooper EV

@TheFPSPower

2 ай бұрын

@@bullshitbingo2259 yeah so if you want a tiny bit more range you pay +8k€... This is what annoys me, these promises always deliver a base trim that nobody wants to upsell the actually good trim by a huge margin. The E-C3 was the same shit, base trim doesn't even have a radio.

Hey MKBHD, I daily an abarth 500. The rear seats are pretty much useless, but when you take them out, it's a remarkably useful little car!

Skimping out on the mirror of the driver side visor is hilarious. That couldn’t save more than $30 in cost.

The functionality of the dash is better than cars 3x the price. Cutting costs with the touch screens and having more buttons is the way more vehicles should go.

@henrikbundt9225

2 ай бұрын

Most brands actually used to put more stuff in the touchscreen because they want to cut costs for the physical buttons, not the other way around. If you want to make a 500e 2k dollars cheaper, cut the buttons and the charging pad.

@Josh_Quillan

2 ай бұрын

@@henrikbundt9225 This excuse never made sense to me. Switches cost pennies, they need no development and their existing designers can throw one together in hours, probably from existing components. Doing it in software means you have to hire programmers and software designers and QC/testers to build an entire OS for the car and all the systems it has to work with, essentially becoming software companies, jobs they need whole new departments, let alone new staff for. There is no way on earth it is cheaper to leave out a dial or two and a handful of buttons for climate control versus building a software interface and firmware for automation that does this, only worse.

It exists in China, but in America? Who knows

@clebbington

2 ай бұрын

we can't get it cheaply in the US due to tariffs

@Justin1_one

2 ай бұрын

@@clebbington Dont the Chinese ones have an big issue with catching fire though?

@Random_dud31

2 ай бұрын

​@@clebbingtonBut that's true for any car

@HiyasuJ

2 ай бұрын

@@Justin1_one we will never know

@senti2175

2 ай бұрын

​@@Justin1_one Chinese EVs are the most sold in Europe. And Europe has far striker rules for safety than US

It’s a great car for European cities and even some roadtrips. But the distances you travel in the US are just so much bigger.

It has one pedal drive if you change the driving mode. And also there is wireless carplay

1:10 In case anyone is wondering, he's checking around for geese.

Meanwhile India already has a full-size family EV Hatch under $10K (8 lakh Rupees). Tata Tiago ev.

@icy1007

2 ай бұрын

They don't actually.

@vasu_0001

2 ай бұрын

​@@icy1007wdym

@SushanthSomayaji

2 ай бұрын

It's 1200000 INR i.e. 14500 USD, 125 miles of real world range. Maybe you put 10000 USD of more battery and you can get more than 200 miles of range and a 4 door hatchback with decent safety for less than 25000 USD.

@vasu_0001

2 ай бұрын

@@SushanthSomayaji Starts at 8 lakh

@icy1007

2 ай бұрын

@@vasu_0001to bring it up to code for safety and other required parts in the U.S., they’d have to double or triple the price at least and that is before you talk about increasing the abysmal range it has. It’s also full of super low quality materials

"there's no CarPlay" while showing an image of the CarPlay logo on the screen 😂

In collage we used to travel with a fiat 500, 3 grown men at the back😂

MKBHD does not know about stuff outside of the US. With the Nothing Phone review he laughed at how ‘colour’ is spelt.

@Josh_Quillan

2 ай бұрын

It's sad, isn't it? He's a very likeable guy, I enjoy his videos but I wish he'd consider sometimes that most of the world isn't in the USA, and that most of the world finds the USA weird - but then he's hardly the only youtuber with this problem.

@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue

2 ай бұрын

Years ago I used to like his videos as he did research and gave a balanced view. Now it is just cheap low effort clickbait. This video is terrible.

@drunkenhobo8020

2 ай бұрын

​@@Josh_QuillanI'd just like if he included the metric values for things like weight. I have not even the slightest clue what 3300 lbs is.

@papaspooks8531

2 ай бұрын

Go watch some non-American youtuber instead then. Probably won't though, since you're all hopelessly addicted to our sweet, sweet cultural exports. Americans invented the internet you're reading this on and you're complaining that we think the way you spell "color" is dumb? Be grateful

@titanproductions3628

2 ай бұрын

​​@@drunkenhobo8020 bro if you're outside the U.S there's no need to watch a U.S KZreadr making videos for U.S viewers, plus no one uses the dumb metric system.

FINALLY! A couple of things that you missed (as an owner of one for two years): 1. It does support Wireless CarPlay and WIRED Android Auto, i’m using CarPlay daily and works perfectly 2. It has one pedal driving, the knob ti the left of the volume wheel is there to change driving mods. 3. It has a cabriolet version which made it the only electric cabriolet for a while Other than that this car is made for the city or short-ish commutes but I’ve managed to drive very ling trips with stops on the way and been living with jt for 2+ years and been loving it (as a ayoung person that needs to find parking in the city and not buy a very expensive car and drive a lot so not pay a lot for gas) Anyhow thanks for this review! Keep up the very good and engaging videos :D

I would love to see a video of the true costs of making a car. I work for an auto parts manufacturer (precision steering and transmission components), and I have small window into the cost of making stuff. It is crazy.

this is for sure the funniest 6'3 driving position we've seen so far

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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We have $12000 EV in India with 420km range.. And China is on some next level with EVs.

@4literv6

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and adjusted for average income and cost of living that ain't sh*t smdh! You fools bleating about cheap Chinese and Indian evs crack me the hell up. An average Indian makes what 6-8k a year right? Oh yeah a 12k ev is sooooooooo affordable there! Example tesla China ft worker makes 13-15k and that's about 20% above industry average. Tesla m3 costs 33k over there. Anything affordable for that poor sap is a 10k or under ev k car that you'll be squished like a bug in a collision! Oh yeah and Shanghai per capita is just as expensive as N.Y. is to live in. But muh 10k ev mannnnnn.👍🏻😂 U.S. ft tesla line employee makes 53-55k and the m3 base is 38k without any ev incentives here. Gee George one of these isn't like the other! 🤔

@danielabehrens1

2 ай бұрын

Name pls

@DerrickBest

2 ай бұрын

​@@danielabehrens1BYD seagull and there's others. Once you go down that rabbit hole of how cheap they are in China you'll get mad at the ridiculous 100% tariffs. Chinese EVs makers to take note of. BYD, Geely, Xpeng, NIO, Xiaomi, and Chery. There's others but I'll stop there.

@kevilleb

2 ай бұрын

I want Gogoro's battery swap stations they have for scooters in Taiwan.

@pcproffy

2 ай бұрын

@@kevilleb Battery swap has been my thinking for a decade. Have standardized batteries that can be auto swapped in 5 minutes then range becomes a non issue.

This is the $25k car you talked about a decade ago. Adjusted for inflation, $25k is $32,954 today.

I don’t think it’s available in the US but definitely check out the MG4 for a £25k car (UK) with around 300 miles of range.

In India we have 'The Tata Tigor EV' for around 10k dollars, "Tata Tiago EV" for 10k dollars, "Mahindra Xuv 400 EV" for 15k dollars, Tata Nexon EV for 15k dollars again, and the cheapest EV we have is "mg comet ev" for 7k dollar.

@prathamchhabra4833

2 ай бұрын

The range is way to less for us market as the distances between places are huge in us .

@nirooprbhat

2 ай бұрын

@@prathamchhabra4833 Agree but if you can make a reliable Ev for 15k, you can certainly make an 'increased range' version for another 6-8K. Its just that the Indian economics demands a 15K vehicle even with lesser range.

@blablabla6975

2 ай бұрын

@@prathamchhabra4833 for those everyday cross state road trips

@quantino8832

2 ай бұрын

Also all these cars come with Andriod Auto and Apple CarPlay

If you have urban planning like in the US, you are screwed; no public transport, huge distances, car dependent cities. In Europe you often do not need a car to live well.

@garythecyclingnerd6219

Ай бұрын

As an American, many metro areas are straight up unsustainable. The western US is the worst offender. The houses don’t pay enough tax to pay for their infrastructure needed. Everything is spread way too far apart. Like you unironically have to get onto an interstate and drive 20-30 miles at 80mph+ if you’re a Denver area commuter. The amount of pavement, wire, pipe, sewer, lawn, and other infrastructure it takes to sustain this is not feasible long term and very expensive. While US civil engineering is slowly leaving the 60s, making reasonable cities is still illegal in many states

BYD is playing on another level regarding cheap evs.

China already has an EV for less than $25k. Dude! I appreciate your videos. Keep up the great work!

Has this guy not heard of the BYD Seagull, BYD Dolphin, Geely Galaxy e8, Wuling mini, and multitudes of other high end, luxury, performance evs that start under $25k?

@jamesengland7461

2 ай бұрын

Not sold in US.

@BeefIngot

2 ай бұрын

The US banned them because theyd compete with the trash anti pedestrian road going monster trucks they make.

@Lord_Reset

2 ай бұрын

Not available in the United States, so unfortunately doesn't apply. It's not even necessarily a lack of knowledge it's a lack of relevance.

@JOlivier2011

2 ай бұрын

@@Lord_Reset But he points at batteries and cost..... Which clearly isn't the case. It's protectionism and regulation.....which may be defensible, idk , but that is the reason.

@LifeAfterLosing

2 ай бұрын

The Geely Galaxy is amazing. That thing for 30 grand in the states would blow everyone away. Which is why they don’t want it here.

I would really love to see his take on China EVs we cannot get here.

@FlexRogers

2 ай бұрын

Puzzled as to why he didn’t address that here since it seems like it’s the elephant in the room

@jkid4855

2 ай бұрын

He doesn’t acknowledge them as that would offend his dear friend Elon and we know how faithful Markass is to Musk.

Check Citroen e-C3 out in Europe. 125 mile range for equivalent $25k price tag (and remember in EU/UK price is all inclusive)

BYD Seagull: Hold my beer.

I actually own one here in Finland, so this comment is from a perspective of a European version of the 500e: Price is it's downfall surely. I bought mine as used, a year old 12 000km (7500mi) on the odo and it cost 25 900€ a year ago, which is just fine for what it is. But as a new one this is just too expensive. Like 36k€ with all the options. - I have wireless Carplay and I use it daily - There is one pedal driving if you change the drive mode from Normal to Range, with the drive mode selector on the middle console in the center between the seats. - Theres actually a 25k€ version of this car in Europe, with a 24kWh battery. But thats truly gotta be a city car. Also theres a Dacia Spring in Europe thats a lot cheaper and maybe the closest usable car for that 25k price is the MG4? It's a 27-28k€ car and has a 51kWh battery.

@alexandruilea915

2 ай бұрын

MG4 is definitely the sweet spot

You really missed the point of this car. Yes, it is expensive for what it offers ON PAPER, BUT as an owner of it for about 6 months in a Athens, Greece which has a huge traffic/congestion daily problem, I can assure you it is the absolute perfect dense city car. Also if you lease it rather than buy it, the cost that is it's only downside is not such an issue any more. Indicatively, I lease it from Avis for 3 years for €9/day and with all the hassle-free benefits that leasing offers (free service, pick up and delivery, insurance, etc). This car has that something special that cannot be translated on paper. It has character and when you drive, it you feel it daily. It puts a smile on your face. As a reviewer you should have picked up on that.

@humphreychiu1767

2 ай бұрын

The rear seats are criminally small though. If they still make it, the BMW i3, VW/Seat/Skoda eUp are far better city EV than the 500e if you ever need to sit more than 2 people.

@caleidoo

2 ай бұрын

@@humphreychiu1767 90% of the people sit alone in their car and only take short trips. A small city car is objectively less ridiculous than a pickup truck or SUV on many levels. Why buy a car that can seat 7 people and you sit alone 90% of the time? I need the space for my gear, so I have a bigger boot. But not more than I need.

@mexibobor

2 ай бұрын

and when I sat in it, I actually liked the interior. If i started touching everywhere maybe I would feel the "cheapness", but just sitting in it, I really liked it and it didnt feel cheap at all

@bosstowndynamics5488

2 ай бұрын

I think it's actually you who missed the point of this review. City cars are great but they're supposed to be really cheap, and in the US the electric 500 is not cheap - the main point here is that if even the Fiat can't get below 30k how on earth is someone going to get a sub 25k EV on the road there when there's not much left to cut without starting to compromise actual core parts of the car?

@paulanergraz

2 ай бұрын

@@humphreychiu1767 i was sitting in the back of the petrol version and it's okay and I'm 194cm and 120kg

@Marques, If you happen to check prices in Europe, keep in mind that they ALWAYS include taxes, unlike in the USA. If you live in California as I do, that's about a 10% difference!

“There’s no CarPlay” There’s literally a CarPlay button shown on screen when he says that

Pretty big difference in US market compared to Europe market. Short journeys are a lot more common in UK, average annual mileage in UK for a car is around 8k miles I believe, USA is about double that. So range is less important meaning cheaper cars are a genuine option.

@nickfosterxx

2 ай бұрын

60% of trips in the US are under 6 miles, 95% are under 31. The avg American drives around 37 miles a day. Car occupancy rates average 1.5. And Marques wants to point out the lack of a vanity mirror. Car dependency in the US seems to have the paradoxical effect that people load their means of transport with ideas around status and value. Bigger and more expensive is better and safer. The lifestyle logic of the cybertruck, even though increasingly in Europe for example the best car is actually no need for a car. So, snap-on plastic panels, small batteries and a basic interior for that school run and groceries trip might be even less popular than bike lanes and denser housing.

Okay, this might sound strange, but we had a 25,000 300-mile range car for a year here in Jordan. Yes, I'm referring to the ID4, the Chinese version.

In India we have the Tata Punch ev for under usd 18k with a claimed range of 421km.

There is a channel called "Car Wow", he basically bought a used Nissan Leave for around 2500 pounds and had 80miles on it. That´s not too bad