Hey Paul - really liking the new 8-bit thumbscrew swipe animation and the intro animation. The rework of the intro animation is "excellent!"

@spongebot64

Жыл бұрын

"thanks, Steve"

@renewagain6956

Жыл бұрын

😅😂🤣

@ioguapin

Жыл бұрын

Now going to see your review.

@Heinz76Harald

Жыл бұрын

agree

@ksells

Жыл бұрын

Back to you Steve

You are the first reviewer who really addressed the fact that the 70 series was always 20% faster than the previous generation 80 series

@MoultrieGeek

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, historical comparisons are very important and show Nvidia's utter contempt for their own customers.

@vitalizu1

Жыл бұрын

@@MoultrieGeek Yes, everybody forget that the previous 3070 499 msrp trade blows with the 2080ti $999 msrp (which was twice the price) .and was much faster than 2080s. but the 4070 100$ Cheaper than 3080 and barely beat it . And there are still those who think that the 4070 is a good value 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ Even if the price was $500, it is still not a rival to the 3070 in terms of price to performance 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

@Antares-dw9iv

Жыл бұрын

@@vitalizu1 I think this hits especially hard since the the 4090 and to a lesser extend the 4080 show us that the 4000 series can provide pretty fantastic generational performance gains. If the entire generation was a bit of a dud like the 2000 series it'd be one thing, but this way NVIDIA just seems insane. This should have been a 4060 Ti at the absolute most and even that's being generous.

@vitalizu1

Жыл бұрын

@@Antares-dw9iv yee... more like 4060

@SPARTAN-KD21

Жыл бұрын

@@vitalizu1 And the 1070 was roughly equivalent to the 980ti and the 970 was roughly equivalent to the 780ti IIRC. I had people calling me and idiot or misremembering the past few GPU generations from Nvidia. Like this is a precedent they set themselves, it’s worth if not mandatory to call out how this card fails to live up to that.

You're the only person I've seen that's commenting so effectively on the price and performance changes we've seen between generations. 100$ more expensive than the 3070 for 0% more performance than the 3080 indeed.

@AJ-po6up

Жыл бұрын

Yup he did an amazing job with this review, it had the least amount of BS and no shilling. It tear nvidia a new one like all the others should've done, but I guess they're too afraid to bite the hand that feeds them and not receive more free cards on release day in the future.

@PQED

Жыл бұрын

@@AJ-po6up I'm thinking along the same lines. Reviewers that I thought of as reputable (and even criticized nvidias other models/pricing) now sing their praises; or in LTT's case: trying to look neutral whilst not being anything of the sort. Have all of these people (who once were where we are; just a lot less screwed) forgotten that they are effectively the voice of the consumer? Nothing is going to get better if they continue "shilling", as you put it. We (aware) consumers are sure as hell not going to be heard, and the average shopper will just buy whatever these ("bad") reviewers say is good, and the 4070 (that in reality is a _true_ 4060) ain't it. But they won't know because of the above. It sure as hell doesn't do my depression any favors seeing this, especially as I was dead certain that everyone would smash this launch and point to the equally priced (new) better 6950XT or cheaper (equal) 6800XT, both with more VRAM. But no. Guess I know how few that are really on our side now, though. Thanks, Paul (& GN)!

@gmgm2410

7 ай бұрын

if you add up the extra performance of framegeneration you get 30% extra from 3080 o similar 3080ti, so... nothing changed, just use the tecnology framegeneration, if you turn off the frame generation you actially are turning the 4070 at 50% OFF

AMD could crush this generation if they release their mid tier 7000 cards at decent prices.

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

Would love to see it, the competition would be very welcome

@really7187

Жыл бұрын

Even if they do people will still be buying Nvidia without blinking. Lot of people complain but in the end they still buy Nvidia.

@agoogleuser2369

Жыл бұрын

Which they won't. They too want all your hard earned money.

@mimon6706

Жыл бұрын

That's what AMD did with RDNA2 already.

@Mr.Genesis

Жыл бұрын

@@mimon6706 RDNA2 yes competes and beats a lot of Nvidia for a better price.. imagine if you bought a 3070 vs a 6750XT and now you're left with 8GB VRAM instead of 12-16GB

The 70 class vs previous 80 class comparison is something I enjoyed, exactly!

HUGE fan of you showing the historical launch prices to show the increases in price to performance. I’m sure that took a lot to put together but is so cool to see! Doubly glad I just went ahead and bought a 3070 used a while back. Got a very clean example for a steal of a price but really wanted an EVGA 4070 (rip) that won’t exist. Might get one if they come down in price eventually but for now I’m good

@gamewizard1760

Жыл бұрын

Try MSI. They are selling one with a triple fan cooler, that only requires a single 8-pin power connector, so it will run easily in whatever machine your 3070 is running in, even with a lower wattage PSU.

@jasonjavelin

Жыл бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 I like MSIs design for their card but like I said I think I’ll wait until they come down in price. I have an 850w power supply so I’ll probably step up eventually to a Ti or an 80 series or something in the future. My system is pretty solid right now and I couldnt justify spending quite that much for what you get lol

@alexskywalker888

Жыл бұрын

If you're going the used route, a 6800/6900/6950XT would be a wicked deal compared to anything else.

I love this review the most. Many people lose the point that it is the first 70 serize which has 192bit and has lower performance than last 80's

Hey great review Paul as always! Enjoyed the short sharp first half language too

Awesomesauce video, Paul! Got to love Jensen wanting more and more. FYI, I ordered a shirt and keycap. They showed up quickly and look great!

Thank you for your straightforward review Paul. Amazing and easy to digest content as always

You are the man, Paul. I've always been an Nvidia guy, and my 1080Ti is starting to fall behind pretty significantly to today's games. I can't support them with their outrageous prices, so thank you so much for these breakdowns to help consumers make more informed choices.

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

Fwiw 3060 is a solid card for me doing 1080p Hard to find dealios on 'em with the way Nvidias been manipulating supplies to retailers, but if you do, great upgrade option imo Fuuuuug Nvidia and the 4000 series cards

@fwef7445

Жыл бұрын

@@mukkah literally no point upgrading from 1080ti to 3060, if that can even be considered an upgrade

@9manny99

Жыл бұрын

@@fwef7445 side grade with more DLSS options

@lorenzosorice

Жыл бұрын

If you're shopping in the $600 range the AMD 6950xt is the move. Better performance. More vram. Nearly the same price.

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

@@9manny99 That's not a side grade, that's just a straight-up downgrade. Less VRAM, inferior performance...it's just a horrible suggestion.

really enjoyed this format as well as the silliness of the beginning few minutes, Paul

Good breakdown of the price to performance advancement over generations.

IMO the card that really puts the nail in the coffin of 4070 is the 6800xt...a card that competes with the 3080 directly (excluding RT) but costs less...not to mention it has a larger vram buffer than the 4070 as well.

@fwef7445

Жыл бұрын

still think that card is too expensive for a 'mid tier' card

@pizzaboss43

Жыл бұрын

Got a 6800xt, and it's great

@ocha-time

Жыл бұрын

@@fwef7445 6800XT is definitely not mid-tier card, it's just priced like it. It's entry-level high end tier at worst. Nvidia's just messed with everyone's pricing expectations, suddenly high end GPU starts at $1200 and ends at $1600. That's ridiculous, that's Nvidia exclaiming boldly that they still deserve full cryptomining markups. 6800XT is fairly equivalent to 3080, which I would presume nobody would refer to as mid-tier since only assholes buy Nvidia flagships in 2023.

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

​@@fwef7445 Well, stop thinking, because you don't really know what you're talking about. The 6800 XT and the 3080 are not mid-tier cards, and I have no idea what gave you the idea that they were.

@Michal_Bauer

Жыл бұрын

Nah, buying 6800xt means I need new psu and that means that value to performance ratio goes to rubish.

I've sat back for a long time watching the market from a potential consumer standpoint in regards to GPUs and monitors. All I've got to say is if the industry wants to push 1080p users to 1440p and eventually 4k, the prices on monitors and GPUs at the moment for a well-rounded experience have to change. TLDR; $600 for okay 1440p in 2023 ain't it, chief. (Yes, I feel like an old man yelling at a cloud. Today, I'm fine with it. 😂)

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

Let's yell at clouds together, homie I'm feelin' it too lol Spike with my wallet, on a sidenote. Went 3060 for laptop and rx6600 for the PC build. 1080p, no regarts lol

@TheRogueWolf

Жыл бұрын

I getcha. I'm running a 6700XT on a 1440p HDR monitor that I scored on sale for under $300. Budget gamers unite! (So long as uniting doesn't cost too much.)

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

@Ben eh, 3060 and 6600s are fine for 1440p, it's the price points on monitors vs a solid 1080 that kept me there for the PC, and price diff to go 1440p on the laptop made no sense, for my own needs. 1080 still looks brilliantly gorgeous, 4k on the TV is definitely worth it, screen size difference @ 65" Totally agree that 1080 is super duper old at this point, it just still saves me 100s of $s with my own budget needs, so it still makes sense.

@null140

Жыл бұрын

@Ben N64 was 240p. And even that looks decent on a CRT.

@XPuntar

Жыл бұрын

$600 (expect €750 in EU!) is certainly NOT a mid-range price!

Spot on delivery, loved it. Thank you for not stressing me with overcooked hype and excess energy.

Came here first to watch the whole video because Paul and Joe are funny, honest, and do their homework. I especially like how nVidia was called out for their gen-on-gen pricing. Thank you both for this in-depth review!

Love the historic price/performance part. This was the best review by far. I don't even want the card but still watched to support the channel. Keep up the good and honest work!

Best review bravo!!! I loved that historic look at prices/performance

Loved the breakdown of gen on gen performance increases of the xx70 class vs the (x-1)x80 class !! That was brilliant and it perfectly portrays how nvidia is making very anti-consumer choices just because they can.

If Microcenter were here in Denmark I would go broke real quick.

As many others pointed out, comparing the price to performance ratio of previous gen cards has been very informative and nice addition. One thing to note though, as other tech YT channels also mentioned the power consumption of the cards. In that regard, 4070 has been much more power efficient than 3080 while beating or getting the same results, consuming almost twice as less power. Der8auer suggested it is better to go with 4070 over 3080 when one purely considering team green GPUs even it costs little more as efficiency may pay off in the long run. Especially for EU customers.

To your closing thoughts, its very easy to sumerise, this card is the 4060ti, the size, the specs, even the gpu code lines up with the 60 class. The mid range buyers got screwed when Nvidia moved the 4080 12 GB to the 70 class. The 70 class coolers were always as big as the 80 class coolers as the dies share much of the same architecture, and this card is way to efficient to be a 70 class. But we are missing the true 4070 in the line up, maybe they will release a 4075 like the 275 naming?

@michaelrice2156

Жыл бұрын

Could you imagine the uproar caused by demanding $600 for a 4060? Nvidia figured they better not try that and slapped a 4070 label on it.

Honestly I enjoyed that Paul brought up the historical precedents of the cost and performance for the 70 and 80 class cards. Personally I feel this card is mediocre/bad at its current price, I think it should be at least $100 cheaper than its current price.

@iparadoxg

Жыл бұрын

This looks like a xx60 card

@benjaminlynch9958

Жыл бұрын

Would have been even better had he also included die sizes. Not only have the 70 series GPU’s been getting much more expensive over time, they’re also being made with far smaller die sizes - meaning nVidia is getting WAAAAY more GPU’s per wafer from TAMC than they ever have before. Their revenue per wafer is up almost 100% compared to the 30 series, and we’re seeing the effect on nVidia’s gross profit margins. Even without crazy crypto pricing, gross margins are now well north of 60%, meaning that every $500 of revenue actually costs them less than $200 in production costs.

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

Me too, great historical data comparison (and I looooove me some data ^^)

@TheRogueWolf

Жыл бұрын

nVidia really seems like they want us to forget previous trends and accept this "well, we're just going to squeeze every dollar we can out of you" paradigm. Paul's doing good work in fighting against that.

@PQED

Жыл бұрын

@@iparadoxg Looking at the specs and performance it absolutely is a 4060, which then makes the 4070ti a 4060ti. As many have stated before me: the bus width is pretty telling.

This is by far the best 4070 and more importantly 7900xtx xt 6900xt 6950xt 3080 4080 etc etc etc review I have ever seen. By far your best work for benchmarking review. Thank You so much for including all the cards you included and including gpu power draw. That way I could actually tell that the 6900xt was running at default 255 watts. This had to have been massive amount of work. Cheers!

Hopefully your videos along with the other reviews I have seen helps people save money on this GPU and go for something that performs better while being cheaper, if you’re lucky and have the 3080 12gb hold onto it, hopefully the 5000 series will fix Nvidia’s sales tactics. Also good call-out for reminding us that previous 70 series cards were always faster by 20 percent with past gen xx80 cards

Thanks for all the work you put in on videos like this! Joe too!

Efficient.. to the point, informative and done in 12 minutes. Awesome work, Guys! All I wanted to know.

You got a new subscriber for being a man of the people. Everyone on English youtube pulled punches, likely due to MDF to soften the blow that would be dealt to the 4070. The increase of sponsored videos on RTX cards leading up to the release is not lost on me. Keep being a man of the people, we need this, objective and past aware!

The no frills video we always expect from Paul.

thanks for this one, that last slide is already all over the internet ,so good job !

Good review Paul, much information gleaned, look forward to next video, keep up good work.👍

Always appreciate the honest reviews....of this being a terribly priced card. No shortage? I hope they sit on shelves.

Man this was hands down the best non-biased review of this card being posted today, I should've watched it first before the others, well lesson learned, next time I'm picking Paul first instead of waiting like 6 hours lol.

Scalper pricing included basically. Thanks Paul for the great review and commentary!

Dude, your talking at the start of the video reminded me so much of how Mordin Solus from Mass Effect talked!

It's basically a RTX 3080 with a bit more VRAM but lower a 192 bit bus and DLSS 3. It will not age well with future games.

@gamewizard1760

Жыл бұрын

It will age beautifully, in future games. Do you foresee a time in the near future when games will exceed 12gb of VRAM usage?

@amd1055tify

Жыл бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 Hogwarts Legacy already eating over 12.5GB vram at 4k resolution while 4070 just released with 12gb of vram.. not too mention unreleased 4060 coming out with a mere 8gb vram. Already out dated for certain games already.

@BeatmasterAC

Жыл бұрын

​@@gamewizard1760 have you been living under a rock? Even the 4070ti is already struggling at hogwarts legacy, forspoken, the last of us, etc...at 1440p. Only with the help with 2 supporting features it reaches comfortable frames. The 4070 series is the bare minimum for this year. Next year it will be degraded to a 1440p medium or 1080p ultra GPU, while a 4080, the upcoming 4080ti, the 4090 and the upcoming 4090ti crush everything at NATIVE Resolutions.

Thank you for your service Paul. I know these videos are a lot of work but we appreciate it!

@hatguyjoe

Жыл бұрын

This benchmark video was fun to edit, still work, but fun.

I watched the entire video b/c I love Paul. I really appreciate the gen on gen slide at 11:30. I do kinda wish you included the 4070ti in the slides as it's the closest 40 series card released so far.

@hamzagulsoy1566

Жыл бұрын

Rtx 4070ti yüzde 22 daha hızlı rtx 4070 4k rtx 4070ti yüzde 18 daha hızlı rtx 3080den 4k

Thank you Paul and Joe!!

This is the exact reason I went with the 7900xt (Asrock Taichi). I do not regret my decision.

@AJ-po6up

Жыл бұрын

I just wish it was cheaper like 700-750 dollars... 800 is a lil bit outside my budget.

You said it, Paul! And so did MLID: “This card doesn’t have enough RAM for 4K. If you think $600 is acceptable for a 1440p card, Nvidia have won.”

@ChildOfTheWilderness

Жыл бұрын

I don't see the problem 4K is premium gaming, you pay premium pricing for 4K cards (800+) 1440 is the next tier down, so it should be priced in the 600-750 range 1080p cards are 500 and below

@elfo7918

Жыл бұрын

@@ChildOfTheWilderness congratulation, this was the most stagnated comment I ever read. If you were an Engineer, you would try to sell old stuff for new.

@djsnowpdx

Жыл бұрын

@@ChildOfTheWilderness The problem is the amount of RAM will age woefully worse than the compute performance. The PS4 had modern APU performance and 8 GB RAM. As you increase compute performance, RAM must increase along with it in order not to hamstring game performance. RAM requirements in games are increasing, particularly as more are developed for the PS5 first, a console which costs $399 and has 16 GB. The problem is they’re charging you $600, which is much more than even high end graphics cards used to cost, and knowingly hamstringing the card for 4K today and 1440p tomorrow, even though the compute performance it offers could last much longer. It’s too expensive, and it’s not a balanced product. The rx 6800 has 16 GB RAM for $470 and maintains better image quality and performance today in 4K as a result when compared to the 3070 which had this same problem. With the 4070, you simply aren’t getting the best experience $600 could give you because Nvidia is choosing to hold back, and we’re sick of it. You argue that $600 is not a premium price for a GPU, and I honestly think Nvidia has brainwashed you if you believe that. One decade ago, $600 for a mid-range card with entry level RAM would have been unthinkable.

@ij6708

Жыл бұрын

@@ChildOfTheWilderness Very good Nvidia Bot. Much obedient. Casually pretending AMD doesn't exist

@ChildOfTheWilderness

Жыл бұрын

@@djsnowpdx Yeahh but that was a decade ago. Prices go up over time, always have. I don't expect to pay under 800 for a 4k card anymore, though 1600 is too high

Paul - you're killing it. Great vid!

Awesome video Paul! Straight and to the point 👍

Including MSFS again, simply excellent!

@claudest-gelais8456

Жыл бұрын

Strange that it does so well at 1440p and mostly 1080p compared to the 4080. Too bad the 4070TI was not in the charts.

I'm certainly not impressed by the 4070 performance. Buying a GPU for $600 and it gets beaten by 2.5 year old GPU that cost $700 at launch. This sort of performance used to cost under $400.

@MrGenoboss

Жыл бұрын

this card can play some games at 4k and its a 70 tier card.. tf are u talking about under 400. yall broke boi's delusional

Glad I watched the entirety of this video now! Killed my old GPU (accidentally) and needed a replacement pronto. Tried getting a 4070 FE, but Best Buy had no estimate for when it would be restocked. Got the Windforce instead based on the strength of this review, *and* the fact that no other channel I watch has reviewed anything other than the FE card. You were the first tech influencer I watched when I got back into building PCs in 2019 (your solar panel install video, of all things, got me fired up again). And now, the most influential of personalities for me at this moment (for PCs). If that's not a glowing endorsement, I don't know what is.

nicely delivered, as always

All these new cards make me apreciate my 3080 more and more.

@Joker-no1fz

Жыл бұрын

its a good 1080p card that can do 1440p

@valentds

Жыл бұрын

@@Joker-no1fz 3080 a good 1080p card? worked great at 1440p, what is a 1400p card then? only the 4080?

Wow at this point I don't understand how Nvidia is surviving with these basic cards while amd is running circles around them with cheaper and more comparably better products. It's crazy!

@tavanium

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia's mind-share is very powerful.

@GraveUypo

Жыл бұрын

read the post right above yours. "my 4080 was expensive, if you can i'd recommend you wait for the 5000 series". people don't even consider other brands. they're sitting with their mouths open, nvidia just figured they could start to take their dumps in there

@cin2110

Жыл бұрын

Ye it's the apple thing all over again

@benshivd

Жыл бұрын

AMD is definitely NOT running circles around Nvidia. They are cheaper because they just arent comparable in almost every manor. But keep your red card circle jerk going as long as you can.

@tiki1750

Жыл бұрын

Probably because AMDs frame generation tech isnt remotely close to DLSS 3

I know our inboxes have been flooded with recent 4070 reviews from our friends amongst various other channels, but I really loved your "10 Year ... Comparison" (~ 10:45-11:44 ?) analysis. Odd nerd thing to say, but it's a keen observation. 🧐😅🍻

Thanks for the MSFS love!!!

Good review, but better overview on the nvidia GPU state... the 4070 is a good card but hard to justify the price

@Trisstan20

Жыл бұрын

if it was called 4060 and cost 350, that yes that good card

@gamewizard1760

Жыл бұрын

Really? It's very easy for me to justify the price. It's 3080 level performance for $100 less than the 3080 launched at, has 2gb more VRAM than the 3080 launched with, and uses considerably less power than the 3080. You get 50% more VRAM than a 3070, and it's GDDR 6X instead of GDDR 6, like the 3070. How can you not justify a $100 price uplift over the 3070? SMH

@Games_and_Tech

Жыл бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 you should check how much cards used to improve between generation and how much they cost. It is almost a 3080 in performance at qhd and 4k... but is came 2 years later, the last mew 3080 got sold for 500....

@romero9274

Жыл бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 Just see how much the 3070 improved over the 2070 while costing exactly the same. 4000 series was a bigger improvement than that, yet there is only a small performance increase while also costing 20% more.

let it rot on the shelves

Thanks Paul. A little clarity is a good thing.

I like how you include power usage, temperature and then FPS graphs. makes it easier to find out how much it will cost to run the GPU. A 90 Degree oven running in an air-conditioned room of course will cost me more money than just power usage though. I would love to see at least 2 GPU below $500 ($400+) mark in your benchmarks and at least 3070 to compare how much will be gained by upgrading from 3000 to 4000 series. Probably you were asked not to. Talking about my own budget, I would never buy a GPU over $500 even if they tell me it can run 1000FPS. Mind you that $500 is equal to 75% of my salary and I'm one of 10% top paid of my industry. Irony is some of these PC equipment are made or assembled in my country (with my country salaries) and then shipped to USA and later sold back to us with USA prices + shipping!I

Waiting for the 4060 to be out performed by the 3060 at this rate.

@mukkah

Жыл бұрын

Omg, would make me all warm and fuzzy over my laptop purchase decision (3060 lol)

@fwef7445

Жыл бұрын

8gb vram cards are dead on arrival, just throw the 4060 in the trash already

Thanks for the review, Paul! I'll get a 6800XT instead then.

@nipa5961

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought too.

Love your videos, not so much the empty Micro Center every time I have to drive the 4 hours to get something the website says is in stock, the shelves are bare and staff says they have not received the shipment for months. Even when pre order online, Bundles often dont come together. Save gas and have it shipped.

This is the most comprehensive review & analysis of "current & last gen" GPUs (& the overall market) I've seen. Thanks for shining a lite on Nvidia's slap in the face "value" proposition and Showing us WHY. This is really going to help anyone making a GPU purchase and is greatly appreciated 👏 💯

That is 5-10% faster than an RX 6800... which has 16gb vram, consumes the same power when undervolted slightly. Costs $100-150 more than RX 6800... God, what a shit generation.

Nvidia is way to money hungry there missing all that crypto bull

wait, should the partner cards not be still under embargo ? Hope you don't get in trouble for already mentioning a partner card

Hi Paul, great reviews but why no 4070 ti?

Nice 400$ card right there IMO. Not competitive enough at 600$.

@gamewizard1760

Жыл бұрын

The 3070 was $500. A $100 price uplift for what you get, is more than worth it. The 3080 launched at $700, so now you can get that same level of performance for $100 less than the 3080 launched at. I don't know where you people are getting the idea that it's too expensive.

@fluxqc

Жыл бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 3070 should’ve been too a 400$ card at launch. The whole 3000 series pricing seemed decent after the 2000 series disaster pricing. IMO 3070 and 4070 should’ve both been 400$ midrange cards to start off. It’s not about generational uplift but as a whole from a consumer perspective. 4000 series is only gonna get more appealing if electricity prices keep rising like crazy. Europe will mostly benefit from a card that’s sipping watts

@BeatmasterAC

Жыл бұрын

​@@gamewizard1760 The RTX3070 at least traded Blows with the 2080ti. The rtx4070 is on par with the 3080 and far away from the 3080ti, for 100bucks more than the 3070. It's overpriced.

@MrGenoboss

Жыл бұрын

@@BeatmasterAC if it was 200 yall would say its overpriced.

So 60 class at 80 class prices? Thanks nvidia.... what a great "present" you give to us

@gamewizard1760

Жыл бұрын

Where did you get 60 class from? It runs rings around the 3070, as it should. It's a 70 class card, not a 60 class card.

@buddybleeyes

Жыл бұрын

@Game Wizard its giving 60 class performance and naming it the 70 class. Its the worst 70class in years for performance uplift

I am new to PC gaming and I just bought my first PC along with RTX 4070. Should I return it and get 6800 XT instead?

I have doubt on buying Asus Tuf 4070 - or Gigabyte RX 6900XT , any suggestions? (I ve got 1200W PSU) Thanks

750 euro for a mid range 70 card...no thanks nGreedia For me PC gaming is officially dead.

Another disappointing card and price. This should be called a 4060ti and sell for $450 to $500 max

I've been looking to get a 3070 12gb. I was considering the 3060 12gb but I'd like to future proof my new PC as much as possible. I do not want to use AMD due to them having some sketchy practices recently with the quality of their products and would like to steer clear of that storm altogether. My build with the 3060 would be 1400 and with the 4070 is 1800 (including a new motherboard and processor to accommodate for it). Is it still a bad card to buy? Or just not the best dollar per frame value (I don't care about that as much).

I keep leaning towards Nvidia because I have a G-Sync monitor and feel like I'm getting the most out of gpu/monitor combo. Am I wrong for this? Will the Radeon perform just as well on a G-Sync based monitor? Thanks

@wbeytel

Жыл бұрын

It depends. If your monitor supports both G-Sync and FreeSync (like most variable refresh rate monitors lately - mine included) you will be fine. If it is really just G-Sync you will have to fork out for a monitor as well if you go with team Red.

This review has all of the integrity and principled critical analysis that all of the other reviews of the 4070 lacked IMO. None of them showed the crucial point about Nvidia's slow gen on gen screwing of the consumer, and that's the most important narrative which needs to continuously be told. Kudos, Paul. I'll be sharing this one.

Not sure if this question should go here, but watching this made me want to know, what does "CPU bound at 1920" mean? Is it something I should consider when buying a card if I have a 1920 monitor? Maybe this would make a better Probing Paul question.

@hsanrb

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the TLDR beginner explanation is that regardless how much video card you throw at it, the CPU is holding the GPU back from drawing more frames. It could be the CPU, or it could be the game engine is incapable of running at high frame rates. As you go from 1080p or 1440p to 4k, the GPU has to do more lifting because there are more pixels to compute, draw, and display on your monitor. You know games are reaching "CPU bound" state when all the graphics cards kinda just stop at X FPS on the chart (ex Farcry 6, 4k the avg is 128 to 70ish, you go to the 1080p chart and nearly half the video cards are within like 3-5fps) It is a way to advise consumers to not overpay on something like a 4090 if you only play 1080p when other GPU's can achieve similar results for a more reasonable price.

@T.K.9

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at 1080p gaming, your highest FPS is directly influenced by how fast your CPU is. No matter how fast your GPU is, if your CPU is slow your 1080p resolution performance will be bad. quote:"Because at a lower resolution you will likely get more FPS and as you get more FPS, the CPU needs to process the frames and more information, throwing the bottleneck towards the CPU." This basically means that at 1080p The GPU can easily make so much FRAMES per second. But the CPU can only do so much. So the faster your CPU is, the higher the FPS. But in the end you are still CPU bottleneck. Meanwhile at 1440p and 4K, CPU speed does not matter. So you can pair say a 5600X with a 3080 or 3090 and you are fine as now all the Work load is being carried by the GPU. the faster the GPU at 2k or 4k gaming = more FPS. CPU speed does not matter as much. Because you do not make as much frames because of the higher resolution so the CPU is not over worked at that stage. At this stage the GPU is the one being overworked trying to make 2k or 4K Frames. considerably lesser frames than 1080p Frames = which means less work load for CPU which makes cpu speed irrelevant. Does not mean that you need to get the slowest cpu. You still need to get a decent cheap cpu such as the Ryzen 5600X. Long Story short, your PC build will always depend on what Monitor resolution you are playing at. i.e. Right now I am playing at 1440p or 4K on an OLED 48inch LG monitor so naturally I play on a 5600X + RTX 3080 10GB. My brother plays on a 27 inch 1080p and he literally only has a ryzen 3600, and an RX580 (which is a good cheap 1080p Card). My older brother plays a 1440p and he has a 5600X with an RTX 3060 Ti (basically a 5-7% slower cut down RTX 3070)

@e2myearly288

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@hsanrb and @T.K.9 sorry I didn't see you're responses earlier, but thanks so much for you're detailed answer! I really appreciate it! ❤❤

One thing you need to look at with the Invida vs the AMD cards is power. I went with the 4070 for my u current upgrade plan, because I it saves me $120 by not needing to get a new PSU.

I just upgraded to the 4070 Gigabyte Windforce and so far it's been awesome !! It's a 1440p beast !! 😎 Awesome review as usual.

the temperatures at what Ambient temp?

Paul, thank you so much for including MSFS2020 !!!! 👏👏

is 4070 recommended for 1080p gamers on max settings?

I’m ready to upgrade but the price of the current gen and the lack of forward thinking with only 12GB of vram is 🤢 I’ll save up and wait to see what the next gen of Green, Red and Blue cards bring to the table.

Great review. I'm in the camp who will likely buy this card as an upgrade from a 2060 Super... But I sure don't feel good about it.

Thought Jay said the board partner cards were still under embargo? Not gonna be in trouble are you Paul??

Man I miss the prices of the GTX 700 series cards. I remember getting my 770 for only $360 and it was a performer. Great value for money that we'll never see again.

thanks Paul and Joe

What about the fan speeds for noise freaks like me? I want to know the rpm of the fan speeds specifically the gigabyte model with default curve under load

Got to love returning single 8pin connector 👍 Although for my existing GPU this one is a really tiny improvement for 600 $ and risky VRAM size. Got to skip this love.

Iam a complete newbie when it comes to pc gaming so forgive me of this is a stupid question, but i have an rtx 3060 and iam getting a alienware 34 oled, would it be worth upgrading to an rtx 4070

I thought the embargo for aftermarket board reviews was tomorrow?

Need a Build of the Month for this one!

I feel like the 1080p results are a demonstration of hardware (AMD) vs software (Nvidia) scheduling at work, as shown by HUB Steve.

can you measure gigabyte length as it seems incorrect in every site I checked. Thanks in advance

Hi Paul! You are awesome and all, but what's up with the AI style script? It sounds like you're hitting on SkyNet for most of the video 😂

Thanks for including the 3090 on the graphs instead of just the 3090Ti like a lot of other tech channels. 3090Ti barely existed on the market before being discontinued.

Great ad spot!

Last year I bought a high-end 1440p monitor and I don't want to go higher... yet. A few weeks ago I bought a RTX 4080, I don't think it's overkill, the RTX 4070 ti already has problems with VRAM and what would I do with the great Ray Tracing performance if my card runs out of VRAM? So I think the logical choice was the RTX 4080, it has DLAA, DLSS 2, DLSS 3 Frame Generaton and suberb RT perfromance.

so the fe cooler is not good or just good enough?

1:34 - Paul, I'm not ashamed to admit, but I'm a bit jelly of you since I can no longer just stop what I am doing and play with Lego with my daughter. Then again, my daughter is away at college. Enjoy these moments when you can.

This might be a stupid question, but, what is the difference between the Founder's Edition and non founder's edition cards? Is it just a branding from NVidia?

why didn't you bench RT on?

Why there isn't RTX 4070 Ti on a graph? That would be relevant and important comparison.