As someone once said: Design is not done when you can still add something, it's done when you can't take anything more away and it still works.

@WeirdOne19142

4 жыл бұрын

Brothgar used that quote in one of his animation videos. Wise words, indeed.

@marcun666

4 жыл бұрын

@@WeirdOne19142 Interesting coincidence, I've heard it somewhere else.

@caesarsalad9288

4 жыл бұрын

That's Aristotle on the form of the ancient epos actually. Some kind of design too. :)

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

We are all borrowing from "Antoine de Saint-Exupery" I could live a thousand years and never come up with a line that good.

@impyre2513

4 жыл бұрын

It may seem contradictory, and whilst it's an opinion I will generally agree with... It's a bit of an over-simplification.

The only thing I'd add is the overpressure mass of metal volcanos is 150 kg/tile. So you can put too much water(steam) into the system.

@zeaol

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering what the cutoff was as I ran into this during testing while adding more water. Good info to know!

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

That is very very important info, I did not hit that in testing unfortunately. I'll pin the comment and add it to the description. Thanks for the info.

@esaedromicroflora1247

4 жыл бұрын

damn I run into this the hard way :D . I was blaming my gold volcano to be stingy compared to the others. Then I checked: 153 kg/tile steam :/ . Also adding the note that, at least mine, was NOT showing "overpressure" in description, even when trying to erupt

2:09 Gotta love that phrase "Oh and there's a bunch of automation as well because of course there is"

excellent timing. i dug out a gold volcano that's right on top of my base - not knowing or seeing a volcano in game before. i noticed the neutronium gave off some cooling so i was all "i'll build my base close to that for free cooling!"

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

🤣 🤣 perfect, this game will never stop finding ways to wreck you day.

@tehmessiah5617

3 жыл бұрын

I just had my base stable food and oxygen. I decided to leave it over night to clean up and train them. 10 cycles after I turned the monitor off they all died and the game paused. Discovered it the next morning 😂🤣

As Scott Manley is to Kerbals, so is Francis John to ONI. Just tamed my first volcano ever, 300 kilos of free gold per cycle. Thanks for these man.

@kcbsuiejd

2 жыл бұрын

thats funny because the firt time I found this channel was youtube autoplaying after watching scott. and i didnt even notice till halfway through the video. Awesome voices on both of them :)

Sorry to double post but the 2 steam turbine build is incredible on my copper volcano. Infinite energy and refined copper. I love watching it erupt and all my batteries fill 🌋🔋🔋. So much joy and satisfaction from something so simple.

@soralee1910

6 ай бұрын

🌋 🔋 🔋

For the automation, you do need 3 elements, but it is a little simpler if you use buffer and a not gate wired in a loop - they provide a 'always on with a blip' signal out of just 4 tiles of automation. Hook the filter to the output and you've got the perfectly minimalistic, two phase timer out of 3 components within 6 automation tiles

I don't get why you keep apologizing about it being simple. Simple is good.

@jazzochannel

Ай бұрын

he's humble bragging

I can't believe you put this out right now, this is literally exactly what I needed when I needed it! Thank you!

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

I just sorry it took me this long to figure out how to do it without an aquatuner. Enjoy.

This is awesome. I'm just getting to the point where I need this. For the simplicity of the conveyor shutoff, there is a new automated timer that works wonders. Thanks again.

THANK you ... I play this game a lot, I follow a bunch of tutorials - and I always tend to restart once I have to start taming metal volcanos - I'm not naturally gifted in this game hahah - so this really really simple setup will get me started, and I can learn from there. It's awesome! Time to sink another 500 hours in this gem of a game.

For the automation: now we have a cycle sensor, which takes 1 tile and you can set it up to o/p a green signal once every 30 s. I combined it with a conveyor rail temperature sensor and connected both to my conveyor shute (which also now has an automation input). Works like a charm! Also, obsidian drywall (I think) helps to even out the temperature fluctuations within the steam chamber. Thanks a lot for your video, I used your automated iron volcano design as a basis for my iron volcano desalinator (got saltwater geyser right next to my volcano). The tweaks I made: 1. 1 tile wider steam chamber to allow for a second auto-sweeper (to fetch the salt) 2. Use salt-water for cooling, I set my valves to 2150 g/s per turbine, and let water through only when water is detected in the respective steam turbine output pipe. I still need to tweak the numbers for salt-water though, because water gets backed up between my valve and shutoff, so 2100 g/s might be better.

@FrancisJohnYT

3 жыл бұрын

I try to design everything as simply and stripped down as possible, that way it's easier for people to add their own additions and modifications. A boiling desalinator is always one of the fun one's.

I started with an iron volcano within arms reach of my starter biome. I learned how to seal it off and have left it untampered since, fearing the 2600+ degrees C it generates. Now I'm thinking I may be able to tame the beast and get an exquisite bottomless source of iron.

Thanks so much, cant believe it was so simple this whole time. Normally I just overheat steel. Sour gas boiler next!

Thanks for this, your tutorials are the best! So easy to follow along, and not too complicated for new/not technically proficient players. I really appreciate them. I tried creating my own design but was confused about how much water to add, so my volcanoes kept over pressurizing 🤦‍♀️ I'm still confused about the math of it all, but rather than overcomplicate it, I'd rather follow your tutorial lol.

Years later and this video still is clutch

I'd use a cargo rail temp sensor on the last square inside the steam box and output the signal directly to the chute outside. Set it to green when temperature drops below a threshold.

@heyhoe168

3 жыл бұрын

I am not sure it was available when the video was made, but yeah, it is perfect for this build.

You make awesome tutorials. Very well made and explained. Keep it up!

i like having metal volcanoes in a vacuum chamber, with their pool of molten metal overflowing into a corner-drip-solidifier mesh tile then into steam chamber. (he's done a video on this design using rock volcanoes and a sealed steam chamber that got up to around 900°c and worked as a heat battery for other steam chambers to pull from) the whole arrangement is larger, but there's an overheat safety in being able to dump more water in (up to 1000kg/tile) if temperatures spikes due to a failure (of the turbines).

@PyrokineticFire1

3 жыл бұрын

also, i love vacuum insulation. perfect thermal transfer and insulation are the pinnacle of design, imo.

Thanks for all these tutorials helped me get alot further in my base.

brutally simplistic is what i am looking for

Cheers for self-cooling turbines! Some suggestions, tempshift plate behind turbines and volcanoes for smoother work. 2 bottom layers of volcano can be flooded with raw oil or petroleum for better conductivity (only when you have tempshift plates, else you get sour gas). upper part of volcano have a tile for drown-check (over-pressure), so you can add ~50kg of oil\petroleum to seize that annoying drown-checking tile and add tons of water above. With drowning tactics you can tame volcano from above without vacuuming you workplace. You can sweep metals through the corner with auto-sweeper, that is placed outside of volcano chamber (but you get hotter metals, or must wait till dormancy). And drowning tactics have some bugs with steam included, so better place Liquid Vent for turbine exhaust like you making infinite gas storage (flood it with some oil).

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Would all depend on the type of volcano you are cooling, for the tutorials at least I try and keep everything as simple as possible. It should theoretically be possible to put together a simple tamer without even access to atmo suits.

Regarding 12:37, I'd suggest Not->Buffer->Filter->(the first Not). The automation wiring on the not's input will repeat the pattern: green for (buffer's time) then red for (filter's time). It's still 3 gates but it's a simple, generic solution. Hope you like it and thanks for making great oni videos :)

One thing I'd add since I'm lazy and don't like to create vacuum before sealing it in, is just put a gas pump in there. Big one if you have the space, but a miniature one will do the job too. Mini one vacuums a 2k oxygen atmosphere down to vacuum in about a cycle. Just let's you build these without exo suits and liquid locks and the like. The only cost is a broken building notification that never goes away when the mini pump snuffs it after 2 or 3 eruptions, and the plastic used to make it.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

I also like the brick it in first, build a liquid lock beside it and then deconstruct the blocks to make a vacuum. Its the great thing about this game, so many ways to do things.

The automation I use is: a not gate, 1 buffer on 30s and 1 buffer on 0.9s. The output of the not goes to both buffers, the 30s one loops back to the not and the 0,9s one is the signal for the conveyor.

Hoping this is still relevant in the current build of the game but I'm in the middle of a super sustainable run and wondering what the heck I want to do with this copper volcano I've found. I really appreciate the effort and patience put into making these tutorials.

@FrancisJohnYT

3 жыл бұрын

Have not tested it in a long time but as far as I'm aware it still works.

@adrienlevert8634

2 жыл бұрын

for future reference, it seems the design can be simplified with a conveyor rail thermo sensor

Hi FJ, There is a really simple way to automate this. Instead of dropping out at fixed time, turn on a conveyor shutoff if conveyor temperture is below 125 or so and loop the bypass back to a bridge to keep it circulating until the conveyor contents are low enough. Put the loader between the bridge output and the shutoff input of course. As the cool stuff comes out, hot stuff replaces it. This might not be a vanilla sensor, maybe from Sensory Overload mod, I don't know anymore (there are so many missing sensors in based game!) I have it running on a avg 281g/s copper volcano at the moment with two turbines maxing at ~325w a piece. Not 300 cycle tested or anything but keeps automation to 1 sensor and 2 wires

Love your videos, man! I wanted to let you know that I was able to tame a Copper Volcano using your smallest Gold Volcano setup by looping the steam condensate water through the cooling pipes before letting the excess drop back into the lower chamber.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Wait what? You were able to tame a copper volcano with a single steam turbine!! Send me the save so I can get my filthy paws on it :) email is in the about section.

These are awesome designs. No more aquatuners for volcano tamers - Can't ask for more than that :)

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for all the aquatuners I forced on people in the past.

@joeblack4436

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT lol We live and learn. And who knew?! lol Very nice tamers indeed.

Aluminium has over double the specific heat capacity of iron and it looks like it will need 3 turbines to cope. Using a similar setup to Francis the turbines began to overheat after ~50 cycles. The average DTU/s the volcanos puts into the system is, iron: 397.8 kDTU/s, aluminium: 472.0 kDTU/s Volcanos DTU/s Input = Specific Heat Capacity * Average Volcano g/s * Temperature Delta Temperature Delta is output temperature - the temperature the material is removed from the room. E.g For my aluminium volcano temperature Delta = 1726 - 125 = 1601°C

I love simple - Thanks for showing this!

Some advice: I used a modified design form these and while it’s tough to setup and only mostly stable, it works with modded tungsten geysers, however the conveyors will melt if it ever breaks or is setup slightly wrong Oh yeah also it works with under 2000 kg steam, haven’t tested stability though, and I used gold mechanized airlocks instead of liquid locks

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Working with volcanoes is a tricky business, do it right and it runs forever. Do it wrong and you have a toxic area of the map you will probably have to wall of forever.

@bengoodwin2141

4 жыл бұрын

Francis John yep, that happened on a previous game

I've been wondering for a while if a steam turbine could be self cooling. You answered my question, thanks!

@RenatoVeronez

4 жыл бұрын

no it cant!only ONLY work on sandbox or debug. where u can find really cold obsidian, and for how long it will be in a good temperature to hold less them 100c... this is a fail design..

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Worked for 500+ cycles using Obsidian insulation, not sure if it's perfect it could fail at 1000 cycles. I'll have to try on my next play through if I get a chance.

Very simple. Painfully so. There is a lot of value in making something super simple after all. So you can cool a turbine with its own water output. It seems like a harder thing to balance. If you get it a little too hot it shuts off.

@francoiscoupal7057

4 жыл бұрын

The key thing is to keep the steam in the chamber below a certain temperature threshold, because the heat that gets transfered into the turbine in proportional to the heat being destroyed (10%). Destroy too much heat and the simple cooling breaks down. You only have a 5 degrees differential to work with with water. Using a spreadsheet you can calculate how much mass/DTUS 5 degrees of water can cool. In this video it looks like the sweet spot is about 125 degrees.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

The trick is to put in lots of water in the steam area. The more water you put in the less of an increase in temp you will see. Of course It will take longer for the steam turbine to eat all the heat as it's cooler steam but it ensure perfect stability.

@RenatoVeronez

4 жыл бұрын

self colling turbine works ? yahp,, but for how long? did u check the 20 degres abyssalit that he uses on debug for isolation ?

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@RenatoVeronez I used Obsidian for insulation not abyssalite. They will last at least 500+ cycles according to testing. The map saves are included in the description you can stress test them your self if you want.

@RenatoVeronez

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT ok thanks man

Having been using this design for my iron volcano and it looks wonderful! However the output water wasn't really enough to cool down the steam turbine, (water already reached 100 deg halfway through). Had to build just a little extra stuff to make it constantly running...

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

I hooked mine up to a monster. But maybe it has something to do with frequency/volume. Maybe it takes more than two steam turbines for some Iron volcano types.

just a follow-up after some hundreds of cycle testing these. While 150 kg/tile will overpressure your metal volcano, less than 100 Kg/tile will eventually (especially non-gold volcano) make the turbines too hot, even if it takes hundreds of cycles.

@esaedromicroflora1247

3 жыл бұрын

also, the gas around the turbine is important too - avoid carbon dioxide

@FrancisJohnYT

3 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity did you make the insulation between the steam turbine and the steam room our of igneous rock or obsidian? One fear I had with this design was that heat would leak up into the steam room.

Thanks again for all great content. Keep up the good work.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Doing my best, this video making is some how make the game more fun.

Free electricity is always cool but you can also use one as a free petroleum converter. In the early game you don't need huge amounts and slowly it builds up. My map has no magma volcanos so I use this instead. Just a few T-shift plates, a shutoff with a liquid pressure sensor and an automated door with a thermometer under the crude oil liquid vent. Counterflow the oil in your petroleum to increase performance.

Personally, I'd run a centralized heat processing system where heat from various sources, from cooling the base to cooling down materials ejected from a volcano, could be quickly siphoned off with radiant liquid cooling systems that all link up to a centralized hub where excess heat from the coolant pipes is dumped off into a central water/steam chamber by loads of Thermo Aquatuners, which then heats up the steam enough to drive the Steam Turbines. Excessive, complex, and complicated? Perhaps, but I like the idea of using Steam Power as my primary power source, just as much as I like the idea of quickly supercooling hot and molten materials to the point where my Duplicants could safely handle them at room temperature.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

If you like running on steam power check out the "668 cycle of steam" video on the channel. It's what happens when you boil an ocean.

So my Gold volcano tamer just needed more water to not overheat. Maybe I can fix it quickly adding a tempshift plate made of ice? I guess I'll have to test and check what happens if I end up adding more water than you mention in the video. For instance, three ice tempshift plates instead of having dupes bottling endlessly to get exactly 2 tons of water.

@FrancisJohnYT

Жыл бұрын

So long as the gas pressure does not go above 150 kg. If the pressure goes higher than 150kg the volcano will be over pressure and be unable to erupt.

@CeladonGames

Жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT 150kg of steam per tile, you mean? If so, in a 5x4 chamber you can put anything below 3 tons of water and it should still work.

But this is the best! This works early on far away volcanoes that you don't care if it's disconnected from the base

In the Automation update, they added a Timer. x seconds on, x seconds off. (Temp + Timer) > And > Conveyor Shutoff. I know it's an old video but it's still pretty helpful.

@PyrokineticFire1

3 жыл бұрын

conveyor shutoff COULD be removed. the conveyor chutes now have automation to open/close them (like the vent/spout). i still use conveyor shutoff though, but i use the automation signal that controls it to also control the chute. so the chute opens once every period too. using a force-cooled turbine room, my chute drops into turbine room, giving each packet 1 full period to cool down BEFORE leaving the chute (they sit at the chute after making it past the shutoff). that's where dupes can pick it up until i setup a permanent rail to central inventory depot.

omg coming in clutch, i got a rime seed with 3 gold volcanos. thanks!

@TheVeryHungrySingularity

4 жыл бұрын

3 free space heaters, nice

@NveSmyrna

4 жыл бұрын

I love the Rime ones. What seed are you using? I have never seen a gold volcano in any of mine.

@krraken

4 жыл бұрын

Nolan Etheridge 336641420 - the volcanos are above and slightly to the east. i can send a screenshot later if you still can’t find them.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

For gold one's all you need is a liquid lock and some plastic. It's criminally cheap.

My current map has two iron volcanoes and a gold volcano. The iron ones are in close proximity to eachother but the gold volcano is cooking the power district alive slowly. I made the mistake of breaking the natural abyssalite wall and I don't have isoren yet.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Just use insulated tiles made of obsidian and double layer it if necessary. Should last thousands of cycles.

Wow! Very helpful! Thanks!

At 4:00, regarding dupes being in exosuits all the time. That might be an interesting challenge for your next base: minimal exosuits. Maybe go so far as to limit exosuits to vacuum or lava areas only.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

The hardest part would be dealing with all the CO2, you would need to demolish the map or the CO2 would build up in pockets everywhere.

@elan_07

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT It's not like you're shy about demolishing maps ;)

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@elan_07 I walked right into that one. Would be tricky depending on the map. On Oasis for example it would be near impossible, near. Rime It would be easy as there is no heat at all. I'm struggling to think of a use case where it would be more efficient though.

Instead of pumping hydrogen into the room with steam turbine I just spill something (usually petroleum) on the floor there, and run radiant pipes of any metal along the floor. The "space technology" :)

@mirjanbouma

3 жыл бұрын

That's very clever!

The iron volcano design didn't work for me. I had to modify it tremendously, After over 10 hours, I had came with the following solution. Volcano on my playthrough was a 10.9kg/s for 45sec every 882sec. Problems were: 1. The eruption time was long, which, gave the steam more opportunity to overheat over 139, since the sweeper/loader and steam turbine wasn't keeping pace 2. The idle time was shorter, giving less time to cool down the steam. 3. With 149.4kg/tile of steam was easily surpassing 140 temps, easily overheating the steam turbines. Things to note: 1. Sweeper throws iron into the Loader to delay the burst of steam temperature. This can be optimized. 2. Running close to 139 or even 140 was very optimal for heat deletion without overheating and so it's ideal to run at these temps as long as possible before starting to cool down. 3. The key is to utilize the loader/conveyor to help manage the temperatures into the steam and control the iron temps exiting the entire system. In order to help fix the problem i had the following things done. 1. Used similar automation in video for adding iron but for conveyor loader instead, causing it to be a feeder rate control onto the belt. I also added a filter to ensure to only add if temps drop below optimal after eruptions, instead of during. 2. Used temp element sensor on conveyor belt to control what temps of iron to come out. 3. Placed a 2nd sweeper to help load iron into the conveyer Loader before it can make the Steam too hot to handle during eruptions. 4. Added a light bulb close the the 1st sweeper, allowing it to have offset sweeps compared to the 2nd. 5. Make the conveyor belt to reach the steam temp sensor ASAP. Extend the conveyor belt to allow for the majority of the iron to load to maintain temps between 138-139 as much as possible for the rest of the way. This allowed for faster/effective cooling with more optimal heat deletion 6. Replaces alot of components with steel, because it kept melting during eruptions. I've had to reload alot of times to test this. These was any conveyor belts and automation close to the volcano's eruption tile (its 2nd in from left and up one). Future upgrades/updates: 1. I would compress the hydrogen that are at the steam turbines to help make a buffer before overheating. 2. I would try to aquatuner path, only when this way because it can produce power rather than power negative.

@FrancisJohnYT

2 жыл бұрын

How did it feel when you finally got it all working? ONI has a way of sucking you into it's world, I think that is the reason it's so popular.

@AznDumbum

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT Felt AWESOME until... it broke again. I've ended up making the aqua tuner version and retrofit a 3rd chamber underneath to cool from 125 down to 60 and to keep the 2xbattery power along with Tony Advance's power injection alternator to inject power back into the grid. It now provides 33% of my power needs when it's an active cycle. As a general of thumb off of the online wiki, the 250g/turbine during the active cycle does ring true. It's too much effort for such little gain once it's over 550g/ active cycle. Really loved your design however it doesn't work well for my Iron volcano. The gold volcano is fine. I might figure out how to add a power injector with self-cooling.

The easier, the better! Can you make a tutorial on an insulation melter for renewable tungsten? Cheers!

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds terrifying, all the versions I'v seen require massive investments of time and resources. I would have to do a lot of testing to try and find a simplified version. I have put it on the list but it's going to be way down that list.

I just dump the cool slush geyser conveniently left directly above it on it.

They need to add aluminium and lead volcanoes. I can kind of understand why they didn't add tungsten though.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Those metals were only added in the last patch, I'm sure they will implement them in a DLC/Expansion later.

@divat10

4 жыл бұрын

I may be verry late but lead isn't verry valuble i would rater have another vuclano Edit: well now i think about it they could make it so you get a lot of lead to make it usefull

And here I am, dripping a cool steam vent onto my metal volcano and have my dupes handle 120 - 500 °C hot refined gold. ^_^ ... To be fair, that's on a Rime base. The area provides ample cooling and I can really use some of the heat being dissipated into the main base.

Ive recently found an iron volcano on badlands in a phosphorous area, 200 cycles later I've yet to have a noticeable problem with the heat

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Give it another 4 or 5 hundred maybe :)

The system can be stabilized by background isolation

Don't apoligize It's brutally amazing

An Iron Volcano spawned just outside my starting biome, so once I unlock steam Turbines, I'm going to try this out. Luckily it's buried, so if I'm careful it'll stay blocked until I'm ready.

wow i used aqua tuner for so long, gonna tried that tonight :D

Dupes can handle hot metal just fine, at least in the cold. I needed 27 tons of 500C gold moved before the volcano's next activity cycle, and everyone strapped 600kg or more to their backs and started hauling with no problems.

@SicQueldorei

4 жыл бұрын

The problems from the metal being too hot doesn't come from them handling it... it comes with them deciding mid-transport that it's time to eat, sleep, use the bathroom, look at the pretty shiny object half a map away etc... at which point they drop 500C metal which immediately begins heating up whatever is nearby which is inevitably going to be near something that 500C is really bad for.

I just started playing the game and these vids have been great. Wish you went in detail on which parts needs steel or not. And which could be copper/iron. I've only found steel through demolishing so its so scarce for me.

@FrancisJohnYT

10 ай бұрын

You need to make your own steel when you get a chance, do a google of "oxygen not included mid game hump". Getting steel and plastic opens up a bunch of options once you get your hands on them, the problem is making them usually generates lots of heat which is fatal to newer players usually.

Gold volcanoes are terribly easy to deal with, because of that, when I decided to tackle an iron volcano on a relatively new world, I managed to kill 2 duplicants because my (steel) conveyor loader kept overheating and breaking, total disaster, I tore it out and will build a your setup right after I leave this comment

@Salar_Sh

2 жыл бұрын

I recon you steel device breaks before there is is steam in the room and while it's in vacuum, solution is to turn all of the devices off until there is steam in the room, the steam will keep your conveyor devices cool and prevent overheating

Design doesnt work anymore..They get overheated..Reddit says they fixed a heat deletion bug or something,maybe use 3 steam turbines now.

Seems like 2000kg of water is the absolute maximum. For the exact design at least, you might get away with it if you make the chamber a little bigger, something i have to test now. I had put in 500kg per tile, so i thought. I cut the water pipe a little bit too slow (water bottles came from too far away and i had a pipe nearby) and it turned out to be just a little bit over 500kg per tile which resulted in over 150kg of steam, but not hot enough to get sucked out by the turbine cos the geyser stopped Dont overdo it!

@Tamizushi

4 жыл бұрын

If you need more mass, you can always add tempshift-plates.

I have 2 gold and 1 iron volcano. Gonna try this

Simplicity is the best! :) You could just use a AND GATE with a thermal sensor and a clock, only downside it will run once per cycle for x amount of time. But on how long in between eruptions there should more than enough cycles to get everything cooled. Early days I use to power a steam turbine running at 350W+- constantly off a iron volcano, but the work involved setting it up isn't worth the 350w. >_< The gold and copper volcano's are not worth trying to harvest energy off them constantly.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I prefer the metal over the power.

I was just so happy that I had perfected the 3 door version with clocks down into 1 door with filter timers... Now I won't be able to look at it and be proud anymore... Well at least it outputs iron at 40C WHICH IS MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN THIS, SUCK IT UP

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

It's all about what you want, 40C or 125C metal. Sounds like you got the one you want :)

there were one metal volcano tamer in your base lovin' video that is extremely nice, plz include it for others. (i think it involves limiting water flow of 1kg/s to cool the metal) it's quite complex btw.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

I remember that one, it would run the output water in limited pipes to cool the metal. It's amazing just a little to complex. It would get the metal down from 125C to about 95C if you did it right. Not sure it's worth the added complexity.

@1998hang

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT isn't the point of tutorial is to show stuff? U shown easy one then show a complex one as well

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@1998hang It's tricky to explain, but I'll try. I want designs that players can look at and replicate or modify for their needs. Simultaneously I want them so simple they don't break or have any "finicky" bits. Otherwise I have to reply to lots of comments on why things are breaking. (Check any petroleum boiler tutorial comments) Also if I make the videos to long people don't watch to the end and I get flooded with questions on stuff I answered in the video. So to tutorial to my best for the community and manage my time I try to keep the videos as simple and short as possible while covering all the potential issues that could be encountered. That does not explain it perfectly but it's the best I can do with a comment.

i knew if i looked hard enough francis would have an answer for a luddite like me lol

I think 3 gates are needed, but you can probably use buffer/not/buffer instead of memory/buffer/filter. The time for the two buffers is 30 and 1. Connect the 30 buffer out to not in, not out to 30 buffer in and 1 buffer in, 1 buffer out goes to the shutoff in, not out goes to the loader. IOW, it's like a "clock" gate used on a door cruncher. ....................I 30 buffer O to loader.....O not I ....................I 1 buffer O.... to shutoff

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

That could save a couple of tiles of space, I don't like the way the memory circuit sticks out the bottom.

It's hard to build this, vaccum out the ambient gases, fill it up with water, and set up a water lock when my flippin' geyser keeps spewing out molten copper 😱. I'm 18 cycles away from the dormancy so I'll just wait that out.

I Used this design for my 8.6 kg gold volcano and i were getting a weird syntom. the vulcano were overpressureizing. good thing is that i made it with the liquid lock so i were able to go in and build a pump and pull out some steam from the room and just enough to so the volcano didnt stifle itself. and im leaking the energy off to my energy network. I didn't bother looking into the comment section for this issue. but i fixed it myself.

Thank you for your video! I have one question. I have implemented these (without the battery and hooked up to the main power system) and it works perfectly for gold volcano's at 2626C 9.9kg/s for 40 seconds. It doesn't even go at a 100%. But for aluminium volcano's, 1726C 10.7kg/s for 42 seconds, it does not work. It can't keep up with the heat and eventually this causes the aluminium to solidify into tiles. I have no clue as to why this happens since the temperature is 900C's lower...

You can use a timer sensor instead of these automations. Set it to 1 green 30 red or whatever

could you do a layer of petroleum + some thermalshift plates (to pull heat from petroleum into the steam) for the iron volcano? Or would the heattransfer be too quick and flash the petro into sourgas?

@kamilerastene5275

3 жыл бұрын

The volcano heat sometimes melted my iron conveyor rail and/or iron conductive wire gong through it (now replaced with tungsten), so I'm pretty sure you'd get sourgas.

You shouldn't fill the water to the max pressure. Have the bottom two rows filled and the top row lightly filled. Otherwise, the volcano will not erupt. Don't leave any air pockets in the top row, or you'll have your parts melted.

Try as I might, I just can't get this thing to work. The Iron heats up the steam too quickly (about 120Kg per tiles)...I just about get it down to 130C for the temp sensor to kick the automation in, just as the volcano starts up again. It heats up to about 160C very quickly, shutting down the automation, and the hot iron just stays in the conveyor system effectively counteracting the cooling...the the Steam Turbines overheat...not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Buffer is 1s, Filter is 30s and Thermo Sensor is set to 'Below 130C'. Haylp!

I wonder how dumb you could make a volcano tamer? What would be the simplest system that requires the smallest amount of research? Maybe something involving a weezwort and mesh or airflow blocks?

@FrancisJohnYT

Жыл бұрын

There is way to much heat in a volcano for a wheezewort, you would need hundreds of them. I think a steam turbine is the minium required to tame one.

thanks man, you saved a miserable brother :D

as always thanks for the video :)

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Are you binging again? You know you need to pace yourself :)

Maybe you can get rid of the buffer gate? Have you checked if the conveyor will let a piece through with just a pulse from the filter gate?

@raismin739

4 жыл бұрын

the simple pulse is not enought you need a least a pulse long 0.9 s

Thanks for the video

Any chance on a video on what to do if you found one before you were ready for automation and it activated? IE I had to entomb my gold volcano in granite heat tiles because it was right next to my main base well before I had any idea how to deal with it. Now I fear opening it up even with the suits.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Oh that is a problem, your best bet it to wait until you have the base and tech to deal with it. You can extract heat Diagonally with Temp shift plates, dump the heat into a large heat sink like a big body of water/polluted water. Once the gold cools enough to turn solid you can dump it all under a steam turbine.

what I did was delete all the automation and just put a thermosenser 1 tile to the right of the conveyor shut-off set to green signal if below 130c Edit: I also added 750k of petrol to the bottom to help absorb the temperature more when it erupts. Just something I like to do with steam turbines and temperature spikes. Then I had to put the battery on a mesh tile.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Does the petroleum not flash to sour gas during eruptions? I was considered a layer of petroleum but I figured if my copper shipping rails were melting, my petroleum would flash to gas.

@zeaol

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT it hasn't yet in my testing. But I use a thick layer of it too, with plenty of temp shifts made of granite right behind the volcano too. I wonder how low of mass you could go with the petrol and still not have sour gas? I might have to do some more testing :)

@Evimogwai

4 жыл бұрын

Thermosensor on the conveyor belt was my initial thought as well, haven't tried it yet though

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@zeaol I just saw all three metal volcano types using that method in a base lovin video. Totally works, totally stealing it. I'm going to have to redo the tutorial at some point.

Hey, just found your channel and this video. Any word on if this design is still valid? Or did they patch it out? I might try it and see if it still works but just curious if anyone has tried this recently?

@FrancisJohnYT

2 жыл бұрын

Last I heard it still works just fine, the same game file should be linked if you want to load it up and give it a spin.

13:00 simpler once-per-30 sec green signal: timer sensor.

Still waiting for analyzed Geysers to have an automation output

I'VE BEEN BUILDING THE BIG THING WITH THE DOORS AND THE PLATES AND THE AUTOMATION AND ALL THE THINGS WHEN THIS IS SITTING RIGHT HERE AND YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THIS. WHAT. THE. HELL. thank you :) still have to vaccume out that area though :/ Edit: or maybe not if i just let it boil the water and open a door to let out the other gasses hmmmm...

First of all, thank you a million times for your videos sir John. I helps me tremendously. I tamed (or so I thought) a gold volcano using your second design. I all went well for around 100 cycles, then it began to over heat and damage my steel buildings. Eventhough I followed your blueprint to the letter, I only see two solutions: -I messed up (most likely) -The updates changed the values and messed it up. -Both of the above. The Gold volcano specs are as follow: 13.6 kg/s at 2626.9° Eruption period: 30s every 753s I didn't perform the analysis (I'm still much a beginner and didn't dare to do it, feard to lose my dupes). Would you have any idea, sir? Anyway, thanks again! And I'll fix it (someday when I understand more about the game)

@FrancisJohnYT

2 жыл бұрын

Checking the numbers that is only 541g/s of gold which is well within spec for a self cooled turbine. Is the turbine not running anymore? Did the turbine overheat to 100C and shut down?

@mkjl6386

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT Thank you for your answer! The Turbine did shut down, and I think I know why: I didn't follow your guide to the letter (called it) and I didn't even notice my conveyor rail (those behind the volcano, at the base) melted, so I think that would be what has caused steam to be too hot for the turbine to handle, thus shuting down the installation. Thank you for your answer and videos, and now, here I go trying to tame an aluminium volcano. Have a nice day!

Perfect! Thanks!

Just accidentally uncovered one of these right next to my base :(

With the Automation Innovation Pack, wouldn't the timer sensor replace those buffers and memory toggle gates?

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe, I have not played around with metal volcano tamers since the update or the new automation.

@karriepapa7192

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah something is missing..Which one should I replace with them with?

Thanks for this. I've been looking for a self contained metal volcano tamer. All the ones I've found suffer from huge power draws for the tuners. I think I'll rework mine to be like these. Now if you have any spiffy plans for a petroleum or natural gas boiler that's not volcano based I'd really love to see them too. My map does not have a volcano on it but I have an ocean of water and oil. :/

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Unless you have space metal to make an aquatuner from your only choice for petro boiling is a magma.

I found a better way to cool the turbines and still be self powering. I use a Aquatuner with a pip sensor so I can control the temperature. I’ve only tried super coolant but I think polluted water still works wel

It should be possible to use just 400Kg of Water and blocking the inputs of the Steam Turbineto prevent it from Overheating.

So the air and whole atmosphere inside my gold volcano is over 2000 degress Celsius and I can't figure out how to get in there.

Would a NOT tied to a FILTER gate do the trick for your automation problem? They are tied together and you take the filter output side for your control.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

According to some very experienced automaters the simplest it can get is one NOT gate and two Filter gates.

Silly question, if the Steam Turbines need to be cooled, why encase them in insulated rock. Why not just let the heat spread from them? OK, the area around the volcano would heat up, but that might not always be an issue.

@MrGeorgeGomes

4 жыл бұрын

encasing is just necessary if you need to lock some gas inside (hydrogen in this case). But if the volcano is in a colder area and you don't care about make stuff around hotter, you don't need to close the steam turbine.

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Technically it's not necessary. But design standards encourage builds that have zero side effects. They don't affect the temperature of an area if possible. Makes sure you never have to worry about them in the future. If you left everything the same and just removed the insulation around the turbine all that would happen is you would heat up the surrounding area to 90C or so. Leave in the cheap obsidian insulation and it's completely self contained.

@Jules_Diplopia

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrancisJohnYT Thanks, that was what I thought and on the cold Rime I can use that heat to warm up things

300 hours into this game and I still struggle to understand what the hell you're talking about at times - your Irish makes it absolutely worth listening though

4:50 would it be worth adding some diamond tempshift plates and even more water, just to get the metal temp down quicker?

@FrancisJohnYT

4 жыл бұрын

Debris is not affected by temp shift plates unfortunately, to aid cooling you would be best of trapping it in a door or running it on rails. But that raises complexity considerably.

I tried diamond plates behind the volcano (iron) and it seemed to cool down everything enough to solidify the metal. Cooling afterwards is another issue.

@mrShift_0044

4 жыл бұрын

diamond have an awful lot of thermal capacity so it's even enough to solidify magma at first eruption!

@Hamelekim1

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrShift_0044 I had over 20 tons of iron available after the first active period and temps dropped down from around 1000C to 500C. It's a good way to get some metal without having to do a ton of automation to start with.

for the timer use a not and a filter gate make it so the out put of the filter gate is going into the shut of and the not gate