Introduction to UL 508A Industrial Electrical Control Panels with PLC
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In this video we take an exciting look at UL 508A Industrial Control Panels including PLCs and HMIs.
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This is what Ive been waiting for. Looking forward to this series.
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it Adam
you probably have the best presentation so far. good stuff. will be watching the entire series.
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that, thanks!
love it! do more of these!!
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
We plan on it Jason!
I work for Prime Controls in Dallas and really enjoy your videos!
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them Jeremy!
Thanks from New Orleans!!
@TimWilborne
2 ай бұрын
You are welcome
I would like to question the spacing requirements for your components. UL got me with that on my first panel that got inspected. Typically a power supply, especially ones that convert 3 phase into 24vdc require at least about 1.5 inches above and below. It does not look like those requirements have been met. Love your videos man. Great content. Would love to ve able to bounce automation ideas back and forth.
Thank you so much Tim! I just love watching yours video!
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
great way of teatching thank you from Morocco.
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
Many thanks from the UK.
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
wonderful, I liked your all playlist and save in library and subscribed before your promotional words :)
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
I like that your disconnect handle will literally cover an inch of your HMI when you turn it on with the door closed.
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
That's all you got out of the video....😂
Much appreciated Tim
@TimWilborne
2 ай бұрын
You are welcome
Nice job with the ferrules.
@TimWilborne
6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
Awesome vid Tim....Thanks
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Put in your request for what you want to see in this series.
@rixpanapasa8977
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne would really like to see how you size up and set up the electrical panel .
Good video' I want to learn this tips.
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Great, we'll be uploading more videos about this soon so subscribe.
Hi Tim, Thanks a lot for all the tutorial videos. I learned a lot by following your tutorials really appreciate that. Is there any video about calculating the total load of the whole control panel by going to each components? I'm trying to get that for my application in order to size a step down transformer and a safety disconnect switch. Thanks a lot!!!
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
This is one I have avoid because it's not as simple as adding up all the loads and multiplying that by safety factor, it depends on the types of loads, size, and locality.
Nice video Tim! Can you talk about the wire color coding when building a panel? I can't find much information for the color coding for such as AC voltage, DC voltage and etc. Thank you!
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
I am going to soon but you won't like it. The only color that is required is green for grounded conductors :)
Hey Tim! Have you done any videos yet going over how to calculate SCCR?
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
It is up for the next group of control panel videos.
I really enjoy this video break down in easy terms to understand. I would like to see in one of your videos how and why you choose the panel lay out you did. Like which components can be next to one another and how you have to be careful about wiring crossing each other (high voltage/low voltage)
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
We're working on a panel layout video. It is a little tricky but hopefully we'll get the kinks worked out.
@christopherlyons7613
Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborneHI Tim. Have you made any progress on doing the Panel Layout video? That would be great information to show and it could help many of us. Thanks.
I always leave the space above disconnect open. Thought it was code back in 90s??
Just wanted to let you know that I found your youtube channel from Linkedin and Jake Hall!
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
Love Jake Hall's videos!
I watched the "hater" episode. I like how you were accused of selling yourself for AB when in reality most things you have in your videos is AD stuff. That's a testament to an untrained eye. Minus maybe the PLC! I'm pretty sure I even saw a DL05 in there somewhere. Personally I'd rather use the DoMore! in one of it's various form factors, or I hate to say it, a Micro800 of some sort for simple applications. (although you absolutely should hard code you're variables in those as they have a tendency to go brain dead for no reason!) The Click! isn't much more reliable, but it is cheaper. Both software's are free. (At least the non-developer edition for the AB) Anyway, I like you're series, you are a pioneer in the socialization of the field. WE NEED MORE CONTROLS GUYS, people don't understand how fun this stuff is! I almost want to keep it a secret, or everybody will want to do it!
Is there a list of labels that are required by UL for ICP's? For instance "to maintain overcurrent protection...."
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Not in a broad sense. There are some labels every panel may require but many are specific for the situation.
Hey Tim, Do you through bolt your components to your back plane or drill and tap?
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 99% sure code doesn't allow through bolting components. And if code doesn't prohibit it then it should. I always drill and tap. If the diameter is too large for the thickness of the panel then they make volts that can be riveted into the panel.
Hi Tim, great series! I noticed one thing in particular that surprised me, you don't label your panel components, why is that? Also I live in Canada and this may just be a difference in code requirements but I also noticed no fuse charts on the door, are you guys not required?
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
Our UL standards are the same. As far as labeling, it can be done by the component, on the door in a panel layout such as you mention, or on a drawing. This is one of our training panels so it get reconfigured often, hence not permanent labels.
Hi Tim. Thanks for your videos. I have a question about UL508 wire colors. Can you please provide some basic info on recommended AC & DC wire color guidelines. Also, what format do you use for your wire numbers? Thanks.
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
I have a video on wire colors in my drafts. Many people don't like my answer but according to UL 508A for industrial control panels which is what 99% of labels are, you only need to mark grounds as green. The rest is regional and even varies across the USA. I'll have some examples in it. Here are some sample wiring diagrams, the wire numbers are based on the page and line number. controls.tw/sample-drawings
@christopherlyons7613
Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Thanks. Doesn't UL508A make some statements about wire colors (i.e.66.5 (Power) & 66.9.1 (Control Circuits) (not sure if these are current section #s)? I believe they state that all ungrounded AC power connections should be BLACK (RED if < supply voltage) and all grounded AC connections should be GREY or WHITE. For DC control circuits they say to use BLUE for all ungrounded DC connections and WHITE WITH BLUE STRIPE for grounded DC connections. I realize there is some openness in the spec regarding these colors. But if you were to follow this basic color scheme would that be sufficient? Are there any other basic colors that you tend to use? Regarding your upcoming Wire Color video, any idea when it will be released? Looking for a beta tester? Appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks.
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherlyons7613 No, this is the most commonly misused sections. 65, 66, and 67 are for Industrial Machinery, not industrial control panels. Industrial Machinery labels are very rarely used, in fact I've never seen one.
Hi Tim,great videos..i really like that disconnect switch what brand and or PN is it?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
It is a Noark.
@rcandrew8780
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
I have main ac panel ,ac distribution junction box.in ac panel we have main mccb(earth protection) for on-off, Ac distribution Power cable taken from Ac panel main circuit breaker control. Is this needed any separate mccb for ac distributions box .(in ac distribution box we have 30 MCB,30ssr,two controller).
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Yes there is more needed, you need to dig into the NEC book.
@rameshnatarajan5746
Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Thanks for your response.Could you please share authentic links for NEC ,UL508A. Suggest any course are there for ul508a .
How do you make the label for the outside of the panel is this special software ?
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin. I use a Brady BMP71 for all my labeling. See links below. BMP71 amzn.to/3cqs3FN Nameplate labels amzn.to/3oAsDD9
@kevinburt3075
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne thank you
Where can I get that enclosure?
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
www.theautomationstore.com/control-panels/
Hi, I dont see schematics in description to download. Is it removed?
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
No, we're moving some links around right now trying to consolidate items, here you go. twcontrols.com/lessons/standard-electrical-control-panel-and-plc-trainer-drawings
Hello, I don’t find wiring diagram on video description
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
You're right, we're revising our website and that link is missing. See if I can get it put back up.
Do you still have classes? Where are you located?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Yes in Roanoke Virginia. You can learn more about our training at: twcontrols.com/allen-bradley-plc-training
Would products certified only to the UL508a standard be accepted in Canada?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
There is a Canadian marking for UL 508A. It has a C on the left side of the UL and a US on the right side.
@Bosanac_99
Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne OK, one more question, please. Would cUL508 certified products be accepted by CSA standards in Canada?
I don't see the wiring diagram, I'm still a nube and I like following those for practice. I love this channel though!
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel, they are at the link below. twcontrols.com/lessons/introduction-to-electrical-control-panels-including-plcs-and-hmis
@danielsowa8209
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne Hey, you actually answered! Well I enjoy your videos so I signed up for the first tier of Patreon. Keep up the good work! Thanks for the link too.
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
@@danielsowa8209 Thank you for your support!
Din is an acronym which translates to "german industrial norm" which is basically the german iso. There many more din norms than just those rails.
@TimWilborne
5 күн бұрын
Yep, here is a video on DIN rail. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYWpq7aCncmqocY.html
Good afternoon, I’m about to start classes to be a ul 508a Mtr. Do have any advice and recommendations of books I should have? Thanknyou
@TimWilborne
9 ай бұрын
Do UL's practice exams. They cover everything you need to pass.
@vidzbelikewoah
9 ай бұрын
@@TimWilborne thank you
@TimWilborne
9 ай бұрын
Good luck. Definitely don't go into the test blind. It was difficult
@vidzbelikewoah
9 ай бұрын
Good afternoon, do you know how I can find the practice exam? I’ve looked on ul website and couldn’t find anything on an practice exam for ul508a
sir pls make videos over VFDs
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
See link below. twcontrols.com/ac-drives-and-3-phase-motors
I don't see a grounding lug for the incoming power.
@TimWilborne
Ай бұрын
It's the green thing 🙄 Did you have a question about it?
What kind of license/permit/certification do I need to do this kind of job and being certified by UL?
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
For UL, it is UL508A
@RR-ce4rn
Күн бұрын
You can contact UL or Intertek. They will going to check your drawing, bill of materials (approved/Listed), design, and other stuff then you can stamp your panels with the labels. They will provide the labels as well.
Iwant take online course so how to take?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Here you go. twcontrols.com/plc-lessons
please am from Ghana how can I buy a micrologic 1100 or 1000. I have been searching since in my area but can't find one
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
The first question is what PLC is popular in your area.
@fiifinenyi2156
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne so far in all the company's I worked as an intern they don't use one brand, I have seen Mitsubishi, Siemens, Omron and in my school they use Allen Bradley
Can you use MTW 16 or 18 AWG wire inside control panels for the control wiring to save on money for wire as long as the proper fuse size is chosen? I read somewhere that UL508a says only 20 AWG or smaller wire has special requirements limited to PLC connections only.
@TimWilborne
2 жыл бұрын
UL says "power wiring" must be 14awg, with a few exceptions, they don't specify control wire size.
what is standard of wire color sir?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
According to UK standards, ground has to be green. The rest is regional. I have a video coming on this.
@khoanguyen4780
Жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne I hope to see it soon
Where's your overcurrent protection (fuses)????
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
Uh did you watch the video? There in it...
@langlymcmanus1194
3 жыл бұрын
I'll answer myself = 15A main CB so motors are group protected. The LVPS must be a self protected type?
@langlymcmanus1194
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimWilborne I don't see any fuses, nothing rated 5kA but I may be blind. Is there a link to the electrical schematic? Might be a good idea? UL508A requires that the main switch (CB) be able to be switched with door open, I don’t see a handle that allows that? Anyway I subscribed and will check out some other video's. Great response time ... lol
What!? I like the beard.
Any low current circuit breaker?😂 UL508A
@TimWilborne
Күн бұрын
I'm not following you. What timestamp are you talking about?
@RR-ce4rn
Күн бұрын
I would be surprised if a laboratory like UL or Intertek approved this panel as UL508A without the proper protections such as the lack of CB to power the PLC, Ethernet Switches, HMI, Field Devices, Power Supply, etc.
@TimWilborne
Күн бұрын
This does meet UL requirements, surprise! Guessing it is your first time to town 🙄
"Does it need a label?" Can you just say yes next time?
@TimWilborne
3 жыл бұрын
That would be the best answer 😀
Is grounding important? 🤣😂
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
Can you tell I used to work at a place where they didn't think grounding was important 😁
Hi Tim, I have a computer science degree and a minor in electronics, I became an electrical contractor while studying. I did an online PLC basics certification. I am thinking of doing the PLC II which covers Rockwell 5000 series, SCADA, DCS etc. My question you you is what else do I need to get enough knowledge and experience to start offering my services for the automation industry specifically, PLCs, scada, MES, and ERP integration?
@TimWilborne
Жыл бұрын
The biggest thing would be opportunities for troubleshooting experience. That will go further than PLC II.