After our 14600K review, is there anything else you want to see us do with these CPUs? Any one-off tests or points of interest worth exploring? Let us know in the comments (new top-level comments are easier to find). Remember that any of those one-offs would take the place of other content, so if you're not interested in seeing more of these CPUs, let us know that as well (so we can prioritize our next content)! Watch our Intel Core i7-14700K CPU review: kzread.info/dash/bejne/an9_p49wct2oj7A.html Learn about CPU sample size in reviews (68 CPUs tested): kzread.info/dash/bejne/gomZvLNsoM7fXdo.html

@hquest

7 ай бұрын

“Will it blend? That is the real question.”

@AveiMil

7 ай бұрын

Would They are Billions be a good game to CPU benchmark with? It seems like a heavily CPU bound game when you have a large number of zombies. My i9-9900k lags like hell in some stages.

@dnakatomiuk

7 ай бұрын

As Steve from HU said it's a waste of time

@ammanus356

7 ай бұрын

Personally I do not understand why you don't test the games with RT, as RT has a huge CPU impact.

@sandornyemcsok4168

7 ай бұрын

Yes, please. As winter is coming, test the 14900K under full load, how it performs as an auxiliary heating. Is it worth to move it as a production PC into the bedroom?

Intel could've just called these the 13950k, 13750k or some shit like that and it wouldn't have been much of a problem... Mid generational upgrades is never a bad thing, unless they raise the prices more than the performance increase.

@freaky425

7 ай бұрын

People will always complain no matter what, they didnt raise price, so I don't see what the fuss is about.

@Acid_Burn9

7 ай бұрын

​@@freaky425 the fuss is about them marketing it as a new 14th generation which will lead some not-so-tech-savvy customers to assume that it is noticeably better than 13th gen, when it is in fact just 13th gen. This is intentionally misleading and anti-consumer behavior.

@SpankeyMcCheeks

7 ай бұрын

@@freaky425 The problem is the implied improvement that comes with a "bigger number better". Most consumers will look at the 14 series at, say, $500 and the 13 series at a discounted price of $450 and believe that they're getting a whole generational improvement in performance for just $50, or 11%, more. They think they're getting a good deal but they're overpaying for just a few extra percent in performance. It's scummy, and intentionally dishonest by Intel.

@AndrewB23

7 ай бұрын

Steve literally said this in the first video

@SpankeyMcCheeks

7 ай бұрын

@@AndrewB23 Great minds think alike.

5800X3D value proposition looks better every time Intel launches a new CPU, impressive.

@seeibe

7 ай бұрын

Turns out incrementing the number on their existing CPUs was free marketing for AMD

@Bruhyeet42069

7 ай бұрын

Yeah and prices are slowly rising again because of it (at least where i'm from).

@HenrySomeone

7 ай бұрын

Not if you're buying it now though...

@chriswright8074

7 ай бұрын

​@@HenrySomeone5950

@rambosausage8881

7 ай бұрын

The x3d is good value as an upgrade not a fresh build, the chip is literally hyped to the gills, you can buy a 7600x for 100 less that beats it.....

On the bright side, it's a good demonstration of how consistent your testing is between different products/over multiple runs of the same test.

@serhiymedvedyev7140

4 ай бұрын

she don't XD

Can I just call out how much I appreciate the editing team adding the little blue bars on the sides of the screen slowly moving down to indicate how long and when a section/topic will be and end? Its the little things in life you know?

@dylanloo9856

7 ай бұрын

Ooo it's the shroud fan

It's incredible that this guy was called Steve Fromgamersnexus and he ended up working at Gamers Nexus to review one of the cpus ever made, life just finds a way

@kintustis

7 ай бұрын

Absolute comment right here.

@GewelReal

7 ай бұрын

A Steve moment if one may say

@ag8912

7 ай бұрын

Truly one of the moments of all time

@elcazador3349

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, Steve.

@ZaHandle

7 ай бұрын

Where’s Beve Sturke

It’s hard to believe a cpu runs to 300w.

@GamersNexus

7 ай бұрын

Power supply manufacturer right now are salivating!

@Iwanttobefree42

7 ай бұрын

Until you buy a 13900K and realizes that your 420mm AIO is just the bare minimum... this is unacceptable from a consumer viewpoint

@ashryver3605

7 ай бұрын

​@@Iwanttobefree42 please get your head out of the hyperbolic gutter Even at unoptimized stock on my 360mm R23 was just about 300w. After a basic offset that took like 15mins to guesstimate it was down to 265w @ 5.6 (KS). In real activity usage... it uses like max 150w for my games and pretty much always below 60c.

@anasevi9456

7 ай бұрын

this is the most sad sack update I've ever seen. I've literally seen average cpu bins of the exact same product improve more over 6 months, than the improvements to efficiency and performance a 13900k to 14900k gives. 😕

@seeibe

7 ай бұрын

@@ashryver3605 150W for real usage is still a lot. All my systems still run CPUs that don't even go above 100W max. And I still need massive 3 fan coolers to keep them reasonably quiet.

250W is really as high as any desktop cpu should go at stock. It is not a good trend that they are pushing the power beyond diminishing return just to get the few percentage on perf that is only useful in marketing. Optimizing the design is the way to move forward as we are getting closer and closer to the upper limit that silicon semiconductor processes are going to eventually hit.

@THU31

7 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of the power comparison to older i9s, which were obviously tested with power limits applied at the stock TDP of 95 and 125 W respectively. My 9700KF was drawing 140 W in an all-core workload at 4.5 GHz (official max turbo is 4.6), and it didn't have HyperThreading. That means that the 9900K at max official turbo of 4.7 GHz would draw around 200 W. At 95 W the frequency was probably around 4 GHz or less. These CPUs have two TDPs, 125 W and 253 W. That means we should never see more than 253 W at stock settings. If power limits are disabled by default, that's a choice made by either Intel or the motherboard manufacturers, but it doesn't showcase a realistic comparison to older CPUs, where power limits were observed.

@KeinNiemand

7 ай бұрын

You can always set a power limit if you want

@norge696

7 ай бұрын

@@THU31 AMD got me with the r7-7700. 65W 8 core TDP is pretty insane. Putting my 6600k to rest.

@divinehatred6021

6 ай бұрын

@@norge696 yeah, for me it was r7 5700, even with SMT OFF by my choice its still better performance that what intel has to offer.

@mparagames

4 ай бұрын

@@divinehatred6021 why have it off?

The amount of sarcasm dripping from this review was nearly enough to drown me as I listened to it driving into work this morning. I can't thank the GN crew enough for the actual out loud laughs you have given me, just in the last two reviews. I didn't expect the 14th "Gen" to set so many records (of mediocrity) with so many watts.

I never get tired of the "thanks Steve" inserts. So uh, thanks Steve and GN crew for making yet another entertaining video even though the product was about as boring as it can get.

@Vekstar

7 ай бұрын

Back to you Sheve

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

There's a movie/TV critic on youtube called Diasparu who's been using the steve "That's gaslighting" clips, and it's so damn good. I laugh my ass off every time.

@samuelrodgers2742

7 ай бұрын

You can literally see it

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature

7 ай бұрын

@@Pressbutan I see you have also been watching that. Though Disparu does also tend to overuse clips at not necessarily the best timing.

14th gen. We definitely learned from our failures with 11th gen. We swear.

@GewelReal

7 ай бұрын

at least 11th gen was an attempt

@ag8912

7 ай бұрын

Dude 11th gen is a killer deal at this point. Boards, CPUs and memory are dirt cheap. Price to performance is hard to beat.

@raresmacovei8382

7 ай бұрын

At least 11th gen was a new uArch. And it brought AVX512.

@kawesu8781

7 ай бұрын

14th gen is worse

@w04h

7 ай бұрын

Why are people comparing this to 11th gen like seriously do you have memory of a goldfish? 11th gen was actual DOWNGRADE. 8 core i9 vs 10 previous gen. 14th gen has at least a clock improvement and even few more e cores for i7. It's not even a comparison. It's advertised as refresh and it's exactly that. This is like shuning AMD when they released 2000 ryzen series which was literally the same thing.

If possible, I'd love to see Intel i7/i9 with PL2 @ 140-ish Watts vs AMD Ryzen 9 with ""105 Watt"" eco mode. (Preferably with a focus on productivity.) Thanks for all you guys do!

I love the snark GN team. These Intel reviews have been hilarious… unexpected joy that the product itself will never deliver.

@peterpan408

7 ай бұрын

Intel can be a good deal during Intel discount season 😉

@Sportivities

4 ай бұрын

@@peterpan408 you'd still end up saving more from amd simply due to not having to spend extra keeping it cooled and powered 💀

Steve's review of the Core i9-14900K was 212.4% better than his review of the Core i9-13900K. Outstanding win for intel!

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

This comment was 9% better than the average reply, which for an Intel review video, is an amazing gain.

@rudrasingh6354

7 ай бұрын

@@Pressbutan This reply was 4.2% better than the average reply to a comment, which for a comment on an intel review video is a mindblowing increment over the others.

@JBVXR

7 ай бұрын

I think this means we can call him Steve 2.0, increment the version number. Get marketing on the phone.

@nunjacko

7 ай бұрын

Thanks Steve!

@Sportivities

4 ай бұрын

the Steve™2000™ series™™

So nice of intel to consider those freezing to death this winter, how would they have survived if not for the new 14-series?

@SixDasher

7 ай бұрын

Those tests they do with the virtual loads has no bearing to the real world. Been running a 13900KS for almost a year now and the thing has never gone above 180W. But yes, that little extra heat is welcome during the winter months :D

@niks660097

7 ай бұрын

@@SixDasher well then why did they add so many e-cores and high clocked P cores, when we are not supposed to use them in "real world", many people buying 13900k unlike you are actually pushing it harder than this video e.g i run multiple compiles and renders on background while doing gaming or using editor, and most of the it stays > 180 W, its your problem you are using a 9 series for watching youtube or facebook or doing only gaming, this ain't 2015, people don't close all applications before starting a game..

@ThunderingRoar

7 ай бұрын

​@@SixDasherSo you bought a 24 core cpu to not use it? Could have just bought an i7 instead

@edwardgrant7708

7 ай бұрын

@@ThunderingRoar he should of waited for the 14700k

i love you guys for your relentless, blunt honesty, enabled by independence from the companies whose products you review.

Awesome and informative video like always! thanks for the hard work :D

Only Intel can launch a new "Generation" of CPUs and, in so doing, make the 5800X3D look good again... Almost 2 years after it's launch!

@Warsheep2k6

7 ай бұрын

its still bought and am4 is still viable its not like the 5900 or 5950x are bad cpus either its just that its a dead end however if you dont upgrade that often thats not even an issue i guess the 5800x3d or the r9s of zen 3 still have plenty! of juice left

@Brunnen_Gee

7 ай бұрын

Still rocking my 5800X3D and don't plan on replacing it any time soon. This thing is just silly, nothing I play comes *close* to maxing it out (and that's including games that are CPU heavy like Star Citizen).

@Valdore1000

7 ай бұрын

@@Warsheep2k6 5950x dead end? yeah, maybe I will keep it until I die, correct hahaha

@Warsheep2k6

7 ай бұрын

​@@Valdore1000well am4 is a dead end its either r7 x3D or r9 both awesome Chips though I run a 5800X3D and I dont plan on upgrading that anytime soon either

@Valdore1000

7 ай бұрын

@@Warsheep2k6 I upgrade CPU like in once in 8 - 10 years so it's pretty much alive

AMD's Ryzen 8000 series CPUs will have insane prices with this kind of competition from Intel

@kingyogesh441

7 ай бұрын

Nobody will buy any expensive product from AMDip.

@TheHighborn

7 ай бұрын

@@kingyogesh441 hahahaahhahaaahhaah.... wait lemme breathe in to laugh even harder. HAHHAHAAHHAHAAHA

@bliss_gore5194

7 ай бұрын

​@@kingyogesh441bro with radeon i kinda get it with the drivers but ryzen naaah

@Silentguy_

7 ай бұрын

@@bliss_gore5194I agree maybe if this was a GPU comparison but CPUs? Nah. At this rate AMD is gonna maintain the performance lead for at least another generation

@stefano1488hh

7 ай бұрын

@@bliss_gore5194graphic drivers are pretty good right now.

This review has once again shown that my plan of just upgrading my AMD 3700X to a 5800X3D on my existing system was money well spent.

that episodes intro was great, keep up the good work and creativity, computer channel number 1

Anyone else excited to see how userbenchmark views this?

@GeordiLaForgery

7 ай бұрын

I don't think intel made enough cash from 13th gen to pay the subscription fees

@anthonybaker5199

7 ай бұрын

Right 😂

@werewolfmoney6602

7 ай бұрын

Right now userbunchmork has 14900k at #1 The highest Ryzen CPU, according to them, is the 7950X3D at #10 The 7800X3D is at #17. Truly one of the websites of all time

@fajaradi1223

7 ай бұрын

​@@GeordiLaForgery Those blokes will do it for cheap.

@Auziuwu

7 ай бұрын

lmao

Truly one of the CPUs of all time

@DuBstep115

7 ай бұрын

I loved when Pat Gelsinger come to stage and said inteling time

@unvergebeneid

7 ай бұрын

Say what you will but it's a central unit and it processes.

@Dr.RichardBanks

7 ай бұрын

I too deem this as a cpu in time.

@christophermullins7163

7 ай бұрын

​@@Dr.RichardBanksmaybe it is outside of time. Coming back from bulldozer era to show what failure really looks like 😂

@Dr.RichardBanks

7 ай бұрын

@christophermullins7163 it's definitely in this timeline. Possibly outside of it as well.

That's a very very.. nice review. Thanks Steve!

Appreciate Gamers Nexus style of testing and benchmarking CPU's. I feel like other tech channels are just rushing videos out, using handpicked games and 1080p resolutions... You guys are showing the community better material right now. Just my opinion

If you compile the intros and conclusions of this year's hardware launches from nvidia, intel and amd, you can see Steve's slow descend into insanity.

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

You can just feel the disappointment through the screen. In fairness I'm sharing it with him - I expect better, given that these are crucial moments for the industry. They need to be on their best efforts and clearly Intel is off in left field, dancing around on the silver highway playing with their cell phones.

@damara2268

7 ай бұрын

@@Pressbutan its only intel and nvidia doing the bullshit. AMD is best in everything. I hope AMD will overgrow intel soon because they definitely deserve it. Intel deserves to go bankrupt and break into a bunch of smaller companies whixh will then be way more innovative than gigacorp intel with their 10 years obsolete architecture

@44R0Ndin

7 ай бұрын

Intel's GPU's at least seem to be an interesting thing to see not have any hardware changes and see performance increase as much as it has.

@TheRogueWolf

7 ай бұрын

"Slow"? This industry's driving him mad at warp speed.

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature

7 ай бұрын

Though the Intel releases have made the dialogue surrounding AMD a lot better. It was quite negative at launch.

7800x3d continues to look better & better, especially after the most recent price drops

@GigAnonymous

7 ай бұрын

Indeed... I would like to thank Intel for persuading me to buy an AM5 platform and make the jump to DDR5.

@SixDasher

7 ай бұрын

If you just use the pc for gaming maybe.

@agafaba

7 ай бұрын

@@SixDasher agreed, I dont know why so many people recommend the 7800x3d when its only optimal for 95% of users.

@kerotomas1

7 ай бұрын

@@SixDasheri mean if you use it for productivity it’s even more insane to buy Intel crap. AMD Epyc cpus pretty much destroy anything that Intel has ever made and i’m saying it as a former Intel diehard. I’m interested to see if they can finally make a proper next-gen cpu with 15th series.

@mathesar

7 ай бұрын

@@SixDasher I used to think that but now realizing after 12 months of 13600K ownership all I do is play games and occasional video clip encodes for memes etc which already had fast enough encode times on my previous i7 8700K.

Thank you for your reviews! This is very useful!

Yeah, this was more of a refresh than a generation. "Desperate" from yesterday described it pretty well. Thanks for doing what you do.

I've always wanted a furnace in my home office. Preferably one that triples my computer's utility bill. This is perfect!

@KoItai1

7 ай бұрын

u know that power consumption is not in gaming, right ?

@Micromation

7 ай бұрын

@@KoItai1 Yes because games won't even use 1/3rd of all available cores... buying 32 thread CPU just to game on is equivalent to getting 4090 to play Quake 3 and RimWorld...

@ggoddkkiller1342

7 ай бұрын

I have 12700H, 3060 laptop and ohh man it is basicly a hair dryer! When i feel cold i just launch a game..

@ibtarnine

7 ай бұрын

can you describe what workload you will be using that will cause these CPUs to draw 300w? do you run benchmarks in your home office all day long? since you probably don't do any real work, this CPU idling at 20-25w less than its AMD counterparts (which gamersnexus fails to mention, for some reason) would probably lower your power bill. you seem like a very smart person though so maybe i'm wrong and you get paid to stress test a CPU all day long?

@nonci6

7 ай бұрын

@@ibtarnine i7-12800H: literally starts using 100W easily just from doing mundane tasks in Teams, Outlook. If you do anything more serious than that, yeah, it's going to consume a lot of power.

I like the comedic approach here. Even the subtle parts like saying "13" when you meant "14" repeatedly. Well done!

I upgraded from the 3900x to the 5800x3D back in Jan. Its hard to sell me on anything new for a while with the value I got on that chip during the holidays

Finally, an intel version of the FX 9590. What a milestone.

@BillyRazOr2011

7 ай бұрын

Huh?

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

Ok I'm done reading comments, this is the one I was looking for. I would have also accepted "Bulldozer Lake" or "Ooh, the new Fermi looks hot"

@CROWNZI

7 ай бұрын

Good luck having optimization issues in mainstream games :)

@charlesbronson1959

7 ай бұрын

Intel have done a couple ++ refresh cpu's

@sulphurous2656

7 ай бұрын

I say, with the power draw and total lack of generational improvement, Intel may have finally met their own Bulldozer Moment on Desktop (since they already had one in servers). Of course, as we know Intel is too big to fail and will quickly bounce back from this mild embarrassment.

You would have expected by now that the "Thanks Steve" and "You can literally see it" clips would have gotten older by now. But no, I still crack up every time :D

@HellGatefr2

Ай бұрын

Same

Thank god I did my research and watch this content before buying. Literally had the 14900 in the shopping cart, you boys saved me a decent chunk of money.

Thanks Steve for the review

Keep those "weird off the rails" intros. Loved them. It summarized the review and also gave a personal signature to the video.

Thank you for Re-Reviewing the 13900K. im glad someone finally did it.

You sir, have outdone yourselves! I am still toweling off the buckets of wonderful sarcasm in your review. GN always makes hardware reviews worth watching.

Been waiting for ONLY YOU to review this! No one else competes!

Love watching Gamers Nexus. Steve is able to entertain even when there is really nothing to talk about😂

I really considered upgrading from r5 3600 to a 12th gen or am5 upgrade, but I'm happy I went for a 5800x3D. Maybe I'll consider the 15th gen / the next AMD socket.

@roko98332r

7 ай бұрын

AM5 boards last longer like 4 to 5 years. im on old 5 yo AB350 using R5 5600. my next system sure be AM5 with decent mem price

@nastyyoda5673

7 ай бұрын

@@roko98332r R5 5600 still a beast for it's price

@sethperry6616

7 ай бұрын

@@roko98332r it is not possible to know that yet. Am5 has only been out

@matthewtremain683

7 ай бұрын

The next gen of AMD CPUS is going to use the am5 board, while AMD is unsure if they will go to a new generation of socket for the gen after.

@andersjjensen

7 ай бұрын

@@sethperry6616 AMD has promised at least Zen 5 but were purposefully vague about Zen 6. Given the leaks we've seen surrounding Zen 6's departure from the IO Die + CCDs layout that Zen 2,3,4 and 5 feature, it makes sense that AMD wouldn't set it in stone in case they simply can't retain pin compatibility. But if they can, then expect Zen 6 and Zen 7 to be AM5, as they won't switch until DDR6 and PCIe6 unless they absolutely have to.

I’ve been using the i7 980 since 2008 the next five years from intel only had incremental performance. I have just bern updating the GPUs. Finally got the Ryzen 9 3950 in 2020, been great.

I am Hyped for the new Threadrippers! Now that i have some customers that really want those parts! Looking forward to those builds! That Sunday i will finish another 7800X3D build

This entire thing is 100% entertaining as well as informative. Intel seriously dropped the silicon on this one.

@blinkcatmeowmeow8484

7 ай бұрын

Definitely one of the consumer products of all time.

@dabneyoffermein595

7 ай бұрын

is there anyway to get this sucker under 600 dollars, like perhaps get it for $50 bucks, or perhaps someone can pay me to extract my 12900K to install the 14900K on my Z690 mobo?

@iLegionaire3755

7 ай бұрын

@@dabneyoffermein595Of course there is! Buy 13th gen under $600 and SB OC! Wait for 15th gen Intel.

@codemonkeyalpha9057

7 ай бұрын

I disagree. I suspect it will sell. It will be headline sales pitch in the latest Dell or HP workstation (and eventually laptops). Intel just made a load of money without having to invest a dime in R&D, that's genius, dirty... but genius. Yeah they will have lost a few enthusiasts who understand how cynical it is, but there are 100 morons for every one of them, they all will be clicking their fingers to get these 'next gen' CPUs. Being savvy in a mass market dominated by morons is a dismal experience.

@brandonl9286

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I thought about waiting for 14th gen chips to build a new machine, but ended up getting 13th gen from Micro Center not too long ago.

The Haswell refresh, Devil's Canyon (4790K) was a massive improvement over its predecessor (4770K), despite only minor changes. But this time they're presenting something that's even less of an improvement as a whole new generation of CPUs. It's like they reckon most people won't see through the marketing, and they're probably right.

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

Drinks like a Sandy Bridge-EP, performs like a Haswell.

@damara2268

7 ай бұрын

Mainly big companies are a target of this because those always order the newest i5 or i7 no matter what the actual performance is

@LucasHolt

7 ай бұрын

True, but skylake vs kabylake were identical except a igpu improvement. It's not the first time intel has done this. (and no it's not ok)

@michaelcarson8375

7 ай бұрын

@NobbsAndVagene Most "gaming" reviews do a bad job in general explaining cpu architecture changes in general.

@michaelcarson8375

7 ай бұрын

@@LucasHolt YET Kaby lake could do hardware accelerated x/h.264 decoding and skylake could not. That's a big upgrade if you are trying to build a nuc sized system that runs at 15 watts. IPC of the cores also were the same with better power efficiency. Go look at the AnandTech write up. Kaby lake yields were higher "The combination of the two allows for more voltage range and higher frequencies, although it may come at the expense of die size. We are told that transistor density has not changed, but unless there was a lot of spare unused silicon in the Skylake die design for the wider pitch to spread, it seems questionable. It also depends which part of the metal stack is being adjusted as well."

You should look into the new APO support technology added onto 14th gen, currently it only supports a few games but where it does work people have reported over a 200 FPS improvement. Its intended to eventually suppport and auto detect on all games, but both the tech and the software is still in its infancy.

@leolandi3852

7 ай бұрын

just marketing bullshit

That final “back to you Steve” got me 💀

The comedic delivery timing is the only thing tighter than the difference between these "generations". Absolutely... informative and hilarious presentation. 😂

Honestly, we really no longer care about intel chip rebranding, but still keep watching all these reviews because how fun they are, well done.

@thecooljohn100

7 ай бұрын

Yeah haha. I couldn't care less about Intel anymore. I've been team red for the last 5 years. Intel Innovation has stagnated SO hard. They just keep uping power consumption because that's the only way they've figured out of producing more performance for the last 8 years.

I love this review style :)

It’s wild how CPUs now have such high thermals that contact frames and 420mm AIO radiators just to get comfortable temperatures.

My *entire* system, including a 34" UW display, uses 350 W or so - 300W on only the CPU is beyond insane.

@KoItai1

7 ай бұрын

that s on 100% core load, since it has 24 cores, but in gaming, it uses like 70W most of the time

@ms3862

7 ай бұрын

That's a weak system brah my GPU pulls 400w

@Antagon666

7 ай бұрын

My laptop uses 120W in gaming in the worst case.

@dy7296

7 ай бұрын

​​@@KoItai1Nope. at least 110. Based on gaming bench videos at least.

@thomasemory4352

7 ай бұрын

@@ms3862undervolt it

Videos like this one really highlight to me how good of a CPU the 7800X3D is. Very powerful, fast, cool, and not power hungry.

@gustarchitect5326

7 ай бұрын

7800x3d has high idle power usage.

@Pressbutan

7 ай бұрын

It shows how far behind the curve Intel is. They dragged their feet far too long with Core architecture. 2008 designs in 2024 do not work. x86s and a whole new architecture are needed to compete, putting more lipstick on the pig and hitting it with more watts isn't going to solve this issue.

@rudrasingh6354

7 ай бұрын

@@PressbutanYeah,all the current stuff they have is still a variant on Skylake. They need a Bulldozer -> Zen moment for their cpus. The only way they are even "competing" right now is with stuffing E cores and pushing their P cores to the max heat they can handle and even with all those tricks they only come close to Zen 4 or even Zen 3 X3d(5800x3d). Most of the time their 8P16E cpus at 32Threads still lose out to the 16C/32T 7950x and the power usage is a joke. Almost the same power draw as my 4060. All AMD needs to do is make a 16 Zen5 core and 16 Zen 5C core CPU at 64 threads and Intel will have nothing at all to compete with that. Even a 16 Zen5 and 8 Zen5C CPU would annihilate them, all the while taking less power than a 14900k. Now imagine that CPU but with x3d. Even less power draw and way better gaming performance.

@Dfm253

7 ай бұрын

@@rudrasingh6354all of their architecture is still based on scaling of the original Pentium 2 core. Their most recent architecture was “Netburst” for the Pentium 4, which was similar to bulldozer in that the frequency was high but IPC was low. The Pentium 4 and Pentium D used Netburst before they went back to the drawing board and revised the Pentium 2 architecture (which had been revised once before for Pentium 3) for the “core 2” CPU’s, and every generation since has just featured further revisions. This is notable a “refresh” in that the revisions made haven’t functionally effected the architecture at all.

@kingofnoobs1739

7 ай бұрын

few problems, intel is known for memory controllers amd just sucks at that max u can overclock amd is 6000 while intel can run at 8000 on 14 gen with good motherboards but idk intel is starting to suck

Thanks Steve I needed the laughs here. Currently sick in bed researching for my upcoming build and this made my day.

The callbacks to the Intel presentation are never going to get old

This CPU is great marketing for the 7800X3D

@shootinputin6332

7 ай бұрын

and those with 5800X3Ds.

Intel truly excels at making the competition look even better than it already was.

@HenrySomeone

7 ай бұрын

Except the competition likes to explode...

@kadrix732

7 ай бұрын

@@HenrySomeone No it doesn't?

@jamescarter8311

7 ай бұрын

Whatever you have tell yourself.

@joeymadden7456

7 ай бұрын

​@@HenrySomeonewhat? Lol

@LauraLovesHugs

7 ай бұрын

@@HenrySomeone???

Amazing thumbnail and an amazing video. I'm looooving all this shade.

Hey Steve, love the videos.. keep up the great work! Question for you, I’m building my little brother a PC.. And I wanted your opinion on whether you’d opt for 7800X or a 4070? I know that current consoles make use of 12 GB of VRAM, so if games are only gonna get more demanding should I even be looking at buying a 12 GB 4070? My brother and I prefer prefer Nvidia’s feature set, but obviously longevity is more important than that. I wouldn’t rather have a 4070 if you think it’s gonna be obsolete in a couple of years because of its VRAM capacity.. resale value definitely matters to. Thanks..

the 4060 of cpus, truly one of the cpus of all time.

@atretador2452

7 ай бұрын

The 4060 at least has a software locked generational software gimmick that makes it look not terrible in very specific tittles

@andersjjensen

7 ай бұрын

@@atretador2452 So does the 14th "gen". Intel just only manged to get it ready for two specific games... that Gamers Nexus don't feature in their test suite. I can't recall it's name (Steve mentions in the 14700k review if you're actually interested) but it's the very definition of a locked software gimmick, as it will not be released for 13th gen despite it being the exact same silicon.

@AB-80X

2 ай бұрын

That's a really ignorant comparison. The 4060 is disliked for poor performance. While to marketing of the 14th gen is B.S a 13900K/14900K is for all intended purposes a very powerful CPU.

12th and 13th gen was pretty hard to keep track of because you had to actually pay attention to tell what's good and what isn't. Now with 14th gen, that's not a problem. Thanks Intel.

LOL! Well played Nexus. I was very low on sarcasm and this review topped me off. You guys rock! (No sarcasm, this is one great entertaining review!)

It was probably something to show the stockholders😊

The Stellaris chart could use more game settings data. For example, map size (how many star systems), if L-Gates are enabled, in game year (important as number of pops affects performance), number of AI empires and whether or not Xeno-Compatibilty is enabled as that one setting can basically set fire to your CPU in the late game.

@mapsgoonthewall5396

7 ай бұрын

This guy Stellarisis

@lordcommander3224

7 ай бұрын

Agreed

This was a welcome reminder that the 11900K had two cores less then its predecessor. We got a "side"-grade instead of an upgrade this time, but at least we didn't get a downgrade. That's something, isn't it?

@damara2268

7 ай бұрын

11900K was even more shitty, it had 2 less cores yes but it still had higher power draw

@kerotomas1

7 ай бұрын

At least 11th gen offered PCIe Gen 4 over 10th which actually mattered. Now 14th gen is pretty much garbage and offers nothing new.

@germanmade1219

7 ай бұрын

Once you look into the real world latency between 10th gen, 11th gen, and compare it to 12th and 13th gen, you definitely did get a side-grade. Overall system latency is higher with 12th/13th gen. So really depends on how you look at it.

@damara2268

7 ай бұрын

@@germanmade1219 everything has gone downhill except benchmark performance since Intel introduce their e-core shite that should have never come to desktop

That intro was the best thing i've watched all year xD

Thanks GN crew for another great video.

For stellaris, I'd actually recommend setting it to the highest speed on a late game save, then seeing how long it takes to the to, for example, get through 50 years (shorter would be better). On the fastest speed paradox games run as fast as the system can handle and I think this type of benchmark would show much better scaling.

@glasseyemarduke3746

7 ай бұрын

Sadly, the rng would probably invalidate runs over multipe turns. That is why they only test a turn to reduce that (and other) variables.

I am really enjoying the step up in humor. You could almost add cut out graphics to make these reviews Montey Python skits

Micro processor design and functionality in retail is great thank you for the presentation.

Thanks, Steve! Back to you, Steve!

This thumbnail belongs in a museum.

@KillerInstinctCS2

7 ай бұрын

*K-KONO POWA DAAA!!!*

@itsmeee-ey8xv

7 ай бұрын

I’m not even going to try and make a better comment I’m just going to agree

7800X3D is unbeatable in games for a fraction of price and power consumption.

@dangerous8333

7 ай бұрын

People that buy this don’t just play games.

@impointr

7 ай бұрын

@@dangerous8333 While that is true, these Intel CPU are still largely less efficient than an AMD CPU even at productivity tasks. A 30% increase in your power bill for a 2~5% improvement in performances just isn't worth it. Hence why several datacentres in the world (such as Cloduflare's) have moved to EPYC.

@schinkenspringer1081

7 ай бұрын

@@dangerous8333 Yeah, they play themselfes

@SweatyFeetGirl

7 ай бұрын

People that a work machine buy threadripper@@dangerous8333

@RJ-lh8vm

7 ай бұрын

​@@dangerous8333in that case they should go for a 7950x3d. Better gaming, similar productivity, 1/3 the power.

Congratulations to you for the highly excellent increase in SPM in the reviews for Intel 14th Gen. You should win an award for the impressively higher scores for Sarcasms per Minute in these reviews! We'll be voting for you!

Came to see if it made any difference to Starfield. Left a like. Moved on. Thanks Steve.

@GamersNexus

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the like and the comment! It actually does help a lot of someone's watch time is low (but they found it helpful) and balances it out!

userbenchmark review gonna be crazy🤯

Its 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 we are back to Skylake days just bumping clocks but still on the same node for maybe in 10 years just rebadging same cpu.

Steeve, never change, with this review u became my favorite tech blogger.

If this continues were gonna have to start figuring in electrical breaker upgrades into build costs.

@pegcity4eva

7 ай бұрын

Lol

@TheTastefulThickness

7 ай бұрын

Adding 14 cores added 200watts. Were in trouble

@griffin1366

7 ай бұрын

So put a power limit or undervolt? My 13700k Runs at 5.7Ghz and barely uses 60-120W depending on the game. 150W power limit and it drops to 5.3Ghz but that's only when I am rendering. I can save more power with the eCores disabled or parked. The GPU is still my biggest concern at 400W.

the thumbnail conveys really well just how crazy hardware(launches) are getting

The preview screen is amazing xD

Came here to see the next gen benchmarks and got a free stand-up short special. 10/10

I'm astounded by how well AM4 holds up considering the DRAM bandwidth difference. Could you please start including DRAM layout in testing config? E.g. 2x 8GB single-rank or whatever. This can make a surprising amount of difference. Maybe even worth a video at some point. Find a set of 4 benchmarks that are GPU-limited/CPU-limited/dram latency limited/dram bandwidth limited, and run on different DRAM layouts and CAS-versus-speed tunings, to illustrate the tradeoffs.

@The93Momo93

7 ай бұрын

best thing about X3D is them not really caring about ram speed, getting uberfast ram is a literal waste of money for them

I feel like getting a 7950x makes the most sense for people right now who need lots of cores. You get a brand new platform with upgrades down the line. AMD also did right by AM4 with the 5800x3d release. Pumped new life into a dated board.

@The93Momo93

7 ай бұрын

going from 5800x to the X3D was so worth it for me, I thought it will be just a sidegrade but it's a legit great final upgrade on that socket

@DissertatingMedieval

7 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking. I'd like to build a workstation that I can game on as well, and AMD seems the clear way to go at this moment. I just remain hesitant regarding which CPU so these charts are helpful.

@profpigeon5441

7 ай бұрын

@@DissertatingMedieval a 7800x3d is really good, would future proof for gaming for a long time. In terms of productivity, it would be fine. I use a 5800x3d and my machine flies.

@mowtow90

7 ай бұрын

Next year I have to upgrade from my I7 8700k , it was one of the last great CPUs intel put out but it's showing its age. I cant take any of the 12-14 "gen" Intel BS because of the idiotic P/E cores. None of the vitrulizers I use can distinguish between the P and E cores. FFS Intel , E cores are only good for mobile platforms, saving few W on a 300 W CPU is not much. Just make a standard CPU for desktops... A couple of weeks ago me a friend tried to workaround 13900k in Red Hat KVM and VMware ESXi. ESXi just could not work stable because it cant understand the core difference. KVM , we only got around by leaving the E cores for the host OS and giving the P for the guest. What is the point in dumping that amount of cache and not be able to use most of it.... This is why I will have to go AMD but AMD-V was never on the same level as VTX/d , that's something Intel nailed log time ago because of their Enterprise CPUs..... I was given an advice to just buy Gen 11 Intel and stick with it. They are on very good prices now as retailers are trying to offload the remaining stock. The mobs for them are not on insane prices as well.

@The93Momo93

7 ай бұрын

@@mowtow90 yeah these e cores are absolutely stupid in desktops

Great work. The only real surprise for me from this product release by Intel is the absence of a new chipset or new chipsets and thus motherboards to go along.

Was sad to see total war not included in the benchmark tests as it is one of my favorite franchises, but good to know this is literally just a refresh rather than a new generation!

R5 5600 still being relevant is amazing!

@darkkingastos4369

7 ай бұрын

3700x still showing it's old but efficient as well

@JudeONeill

7 ай бұрын

Truly unbeatable from a value per dollar perspective.

@mostlyinept

7 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I've been using since it was released. R5 5600 and a Sapphire Pulse 5600XT. Absolutely fantastic combo paired with a nice B550M mobo and some 3600mhz ram. I don't see any need to upgrade for the next few years. I play Starfield at 1440P medium settings no problem.

It's crazy how much power some of these newer top end CPUs use. My i7-8700k doesn't even get out of bed most days for gaming, and I was worried it'd run hot and had it delidded back when I got it.

@RCXDerp

7 ай бұрын

My 9700k gets like 50fps in starfield at 1440p I'll probably grab 15th gen or AMD maybe

Upgrading to the 14900kf from a 12600k after flashing latest bios on my motherboard. I wouldn't do a new build with this processor but its nice as an upgrade path for my current build.

Hey @GamersNexus, what about power draw during games? I am curious to see what the differences are in power draw during a real use case, I doubt many of us will be running all core max workloads.

@AB-80X

2 ай бұрын

Tends to be way less of a difference. Yes an unlocked 14900K CAN draw a ton of power, that's the point of a K CPU - we buy them because we want the ability to overclock and push them hard. Otherwise just get a non-K. Most games will have you sit at what, 40-60 watts maybe? I think Cyberpunk might run mine a bit higher, but that game is hard on any CPU, maybe about 80-90 watts.

@noobslayer815

2 ай бұрын

@@AB-80X fair enough, wonder if this trend of massive power envelop will continue for the next gen of Intel….

I don't know if this is feasible (I suspect it would require a _lot_ of test time, even though you could tolerate substantially more noisy individual test points), but a benchmark _sweep_ of something like Factorio across different working set sizes would be interesting. One thing I've noted is that performance of Factorio, and DF, and a lot of other simulation-esque games in general, tends to tank once your working set no longer fits in cache, and it's definitely noticeable that the 5800X3D can handle a lot more than most other cpus before that happens - but most benchmarks don't really show the full story, instead just showing one or two datapoints at max.

@hamzashaikh9310

7 ай бұрын

Watch hardware unboxed 14900k factorio benchmark for this exact situation.

I cant believe i bought a 14900k 2 years ago

The humor and sass were on point with this review. Thanks, Steve.

I watched like 5 seconds of the intro on my way to work and thought, im gonna save the video for my break, need the full experience. Thank you Tech Jesus!

Have you considered numbering the cores with preceding 0 for numbers

@MarKarda

7 ай бұрын

Can you imagine? A cpu model numbre like intel 14P8E10 and be able to identify specs of the product only with the name... my god... life could be so much simple

Given the uplift should these have been the 13901K and 13701K?

I just built myself an i9 14900k PC with a DeepCool LT720, and it runs nice and cool.

excellent video. loved it. but the more i watch video reviews the more I cannot get myself to decide between 14900K or 7950X3D (or 7950X). my area is of course gaming, so I cannot yet decide for which CPU to go for. any short answer for this?

@AlioTheo

3 ай бұрын

Go AMD, just use statistics. Userbenchmark is biased towards AMD so don't look at that garbage.

@AB-80X

2 ай бұрын

Why would you even cross shop those if you're just gaming? Get a 7800XBD and be done with it. You have no use for what the 14900K was intended to do.

@AlioTheo

2 ай бұрын

Do yourself a favor and save money on a 7800x3d, which is streamlined for pure gaming compared to the options you've suggested.

7800x3d 💯

@KoItai1

7 ай бұрын

not necessarily, 14700k can perform the same or better in games, while being 2x better in multicore performance

@evilleader1991

7 ай бұрын

​@@KoItai1did i even watch GN's review on the i7?

@KoItai1

7 ай бұрын

@@evilleader1991 did the guy that comment watch the review of 7800x3d to comment about it? no

@evilleader1991

7 ай бұрын

what are you even on about bro, 14700k gets DEMOLISHED by 7800x3d in gaming.@@KoItai1