Awesome to see Intel enforcing dual-channel memory for the Arc certification! Makes it way easier for the consumer to tell they'll get max iGPU performance

@jeyhuan9194

5 ай бұрын

with a minimum of 16gb too!?

@andyH_England

5 ай бұрын

I was hoping that they would not need to be dual, that is perform like dual-channel even when in mixed parallel, as ARM chips do.

@JoseMariArceta

5 ай бұрын

If you meant asynchronous dual channel mode with differing sizes of ram. Intel and amd already have that, part of the ram runs in dual channel speed and the extra is just slower

@CesarinPillinGaming

5 ай бұрын

I hope they do not cave in just like many monitors did with the whole HDR ULTRA.

@lars2894

5 ай бұрын

"Arc" certification is largely a gimmick nobody really cares about, just like "Intel Ultrabook" certification from years ago. Why? Because the terms are so loose and varied and they just hand it to any manufacturer who works with Intel for R&D.

This naming scheme makes my brain hurt

@Karti200

5 ай бұрын

It is actually much simpler. And does not require 5 diggits lile intel core

@Sheltur_0311

5 ай бұрын

@@Karti200but now we wont know what year/generation it is

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

@@Sheltur_0311because intel restarted the gen naming with Ultra branding.

@Karti200

5 ай бұрын

@@Sheltur_0311 wrong - you actually do "Ultra" are named with 3 diggits: 1st digit - generation, currently all ultra cpus are 1** -> by looking at next examples, it is clearly seen that next generation will be 2** 2nd digit - tier segmentation, *2* - *3* are "Ultra 5", while *5* - *7* are "Ultra 7" so simple comparison to i5 and i7 3rd digit - overall "tier' of that CPU, higher number here = higher TDP and higher clock (gpu, cpu or both) example Ultra 5 134U vs Ultra 5 135U only difference in those 2 are: - 150MHz GPU clock difference - increased CPU base from 9 to 15W - increased CPU Turbo power from 30W to 57W I mean - this is REALLY smart move from intel do you want them to release another generation with 5 digit naming? xd

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

They all do. It's brutal especially when so many of the processes are so closely specced

This lineup is really smart on Intel's part. It allows them to bin their CPU's and have a wider margin for error on their manufacturing. Instead of trying to shoe-horn production into just a couple SKU's, they take a broad range of manufacturing "defects" and bin them to whatever performance lines up with the SKU, being slightly conservative. The silicone lottery is alive and well.

@lightward9487

5 ай бұрын

You no have i7 155h 14th Sorry

@damara2268

5 ай бұрын

Amd is doing this already for 4 years... intel is 4 years late

@D0x1511af

5 ай бұрын

@@damara2268 4 years late??? intel did this b4 amd create Vcache and ciplet.. intel pioneer ciplet CPU not AMD..intel did this with their pentium cpu in early 2000 and abandoned it because it's unpractical on that time

@jay-5061

5 ай бұрын

@@damara2268 intel has been doing this since the early 2000s, they just abandoned it cos it was no longer profitable.

@damara2268

5 ай бұрын

@@D0x1511af then why did it now take Intel so so so long to make it work?

These new iGPUS make it actually sensible to go without a GPU on a laptop. I really hope we get this iGPU performance on the 15th gen desktop chips. I still see people using i9-7900X's and 1080Ti's that say they will upgrade when Intel 15th Gen and RTX 5000 series come out. Props to them for the longevity.

@InnocentiusLacrimosa

5 ай бұрын

15th gen desktop cpus.... I've not been following any rumors/leaks on those, but this time I truly hope that the desktops will be getting equal process node and feature improvements as laptops get. 11th gen was bad for Intel when desktops were being far worse than laptops. It hurt laptop reputation also.

Great overall video. Really excited to see Meteor Lake in more laptops with the better 165H chip

Intel made a right step in right direction and most importantly achieved all of that with in house chip packaging made out of chiplets/tiles also from the TSMC which is pretty cool. I think this in house chiplets/tiles packaging deserves also a lot of credit as Intel is on to something probably even more advanced, than AMD. I wonder what Apple will do with their M chips eventually when they will need to cut them in chiplets as well.

Mike, this was a great and thorough look at Meteor Lake in the wild. Looking forward to what you bring next - Kudos!

I want to see a couple months of reviews and driver improvements, but I'm really excited to see where Meteor Lake can end up. So much new stuff here. Give it time.... Thank you!

Looks sick! That Titan on your monitor in the background is trying to get it's hands on that laptop.

Intel put out bios update that solves inconsistency with performance. Mathew Monitz made a video about it. Huge difference.

while im happy that intel now has something competitive to keep AMD in check im a bit concerned about performance consistency being all over the place i hope that the fix it within the generation and not gatekeep it to later generation like apo and 12/13th gen.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

I actually don't think it's a MTL issue. This is a Zenbook firmware problem.

@Lollllllz

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks ah that's reassuring to hear hope they can bring out a fix soon

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

@@Lollllllzi stil think its also intel issue. however i think intel will resolve it quickly since the success of meteor lake is very important for them.

@Davinmk

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks the chip has been performing like that in other leaks, it’s the chip

@Davinmk

5 ай бұрын

it’s not enough, strix releasing soon will battle meteor lake probably and then strix halo, the actual big improvement is going to drive it home even more before intel even releases their next chips

Why didn't you mention gpu power draw during gpu benchmark? How will we know whether arc is drawing more power than amd intregated gpu or not

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

We will going forward but the measuring tools we have don't report accurate power draw on RX 700 IGPs or ARC for now.

Great video! Are you guys going to review the new Dell XPS 14 with Meteor Lake?

Sorry did you test the battery yourself when you said 21 hours battery life? Thanks

Hello, where can i buy these laptops? I couldnt find any on internet (srry 4 the bad english, im spanish)

wouldn't it be smart to normalize battery life per Wh of battery, when the devices have so very different battery specs? I mean, for example in the heavy load test (2:19) The Zenbook 14 (1) has 1.77 min/Wh, wheras the Zenbook 13 (2) has 1.76 min/Wh of battery life. So basically identical ?

@kevikiru

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you. However, reviewers normally account for the price of the product. And price matters more for most consumers, but it does seem very unfair to compare two processors in battery life with two very different battery sizes. These seem to go to double digit difference in Wh!

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

That's a great idea.

What is the RAM speed on your test system

I have a i7-1260p, is it worth an upgrade for the battery and iGPU?

that blender benchmark would've sold me in a heartbeat if i don't consider high fps gaming on it. looks like i'm still putting the zenbook pro on my bucket list

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

Intel arc software will get better overtime, but yeah its not going to give you extra 2x performance anyway

Interesting that Intel managed to make their line-up naming scheme even more confusing, it's a feat considering that it was already confusing

"The best is yet to come" has been Arc's motto since it came out. Remember how bad the Arc cards ran on release? Yeah, they're a lot better now.

@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis

5 ай бұрын

They still suck but yea now they suck less

@Davinmk

5 ай бұрын

going from unusuable to bad compared to the competition isn’t much of an improvement

I want to see a comparison of the core ultra 9 185H and the ryzen 9 8945HS

@VideogamesAsArt

5 ай бұрын

will be the same as 155H vs the 7840U. Differences should be very little, as one is just slightly better binned and the other one is a refresh

@ofir123456789o

5 ай бұрын

@@VideogamesAsArt but I want AI performance comparison too, as that is the main selling point of the refresh

@robinrufino8244

5 ай бұрын

@@ofir123456789o what 155 H his competitor is 7840H Not U

Intel Iris also did same requiring dual channel to get full Xe count.

Pre BIOS update?

A proposed solution to the Intel CPU gaming scheme: For desktop parts, instead of having the "i" before i3, i5, etc., have "d" for desktop. For laptops, have "m" for mobile. The rest of their naming scheme can stay the same. For example, the Intel m5 15600K and Intel d5 15600k. That would make things really easy for consumers. I may be overlooking a factor, but it shouldn't be that difficult.

@Chimpur

5 ай бұрын

Call me a pessimist.. But having things too simple might result in lost sales of higher priced chips...

@asdfjkloe

5 ай бұрын

I actually think it's better when the desktop and mobile parts have different naming schemes. The chips are bound to be very different regarding core and iGPU configs. Calling them (almost) the same would be eerily similar to NVIDIA, who currently offers "4090" GPUs in notebooks that are basically underclocked 4080 desktop chips.

@just_matt3937

5 ай бұрын

@asdfjkloe I understand but most people buying laptops aren't into tech like you and I. As it is, most people only check to see if a computer/laptop is an i3, i5, i7, or i9.

@d3finit

4 ай бұрын

Wadayamean i cannot put M5 into my pisi, i aint playing on no D5 and pumping my pisi with diesel - a customer, I imagine

@ccc3

2 ай бұрын

​@@asdfjkloeit's easier to remember that i9 are top available models for that segment, even though mobile and desktop are different

This is amazing. AMD needs competition else it might pull an intel on us

@defnotatroll

5 ай бұрын

Intel dominate laptop CPU market share though, so AMD have no room for complacency

@domenicpolsoni8370

5 ай бұрын

This is not competition. They've caught up and are a year late in doing so. When Hawk Point comes out in a month or so they'll be behind again.

@j340_official

5 ай бұрын

@@domenicpolsoni8370hawk point is reusing the 780m

@domenicpolsoni8370

5 ай бұрын

@@j340_official That's the GPU. I don't care about gaming. I'm more interested in overall performance and AI support. But even leaks suggest that HP should have a small boost in gaming too. And Strix Point and Halo should be here by the summer offering performance closer to a 3050 and 4060/70 respectively. I'm just shaking my head because Intel has dropped the ball so hard going as far back as 2017. Starting with the constant 10nm delays to - well - this coming out a year late. It's just embarrassing and really pisses me off how far they've fallen.

@runninginthe90s75

5 ай бұрын

Amd is ready to milking fanboy with the same cpu and gpu as you can see they already confirmed ryzen 8000 series featured the same cpu and same radeon 780m too except with added half baked ai chip which is obviously inferior than the one on Intel meteor lake. When Amd releasing 8000 series, Intel is ready with Arrow Lake which also has Battlemage igpu. Things gonna be worse for Amd.

Great to see Intel finally innovating, but in terms of igpu they are matching AMD not overcoming it. And yeah 16 gigs of ram in dual channel is a must, considering some smartphones have 12 to 16 gigs olready.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

I do agree but don't forget the RX 700M IGPs have several years of driver development behind them whereas ARC doesn't. Especially when you consider the ARC dGPU and IGP driver branches are separate

@akrav1983

5 ай бұрын

@HardwareCanucks Yeah it will be interesting to see how the Arc compares to the Rx 700s, once driver updates roll out. Great video!

@ashar8192

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks I'm pretty sure that the driver branches are the same. The Intel ARC graphics driver do support/(are the same on) Intel's 11-14th gen series, you can check it on their Driver support page

@Stef3m

5 ай бұрын

@@Noodles1922 And nothing use it

is the wifi integrated in the IO die?

How will we differentiate between generations now that the prefixes don't match the generation number anymore?

I wonder how far in terms of performance compared to the higher end Lenovo Legion i9 13980hx. Problem is the older one is faster but without the AI chips. What will that affect? Will anyone perform this Core Ultra to those High end i9 with 4080-4090 GPUs? It will be interesting.

Glad there is some good results to be seen. A lot of doubters around this new approach. This seems mostly to catch up with the latest Ryzen stuff for performance roughly speaking (in some ways beating it, in some ways losing) -- I call that a truly competitive market, and it can only mean good things for keeping all companies on their toes having to try harder to be better! Very curious how they approach this dis-aggregated design for socketed desktop, since efficiency isn't really championed there so much. Arrow Lake will happen next, so we'll see what they do! I wouldn't mind a faster iGPU on desktop, personally. Not at all. Also, think of the mini PCs with this, finally something efficient enough to compete with the new Apple stuff in some workflows, hopefully without costing quite as much. For a tiny home server that sits mostly idle, I'd want something that sips power. Either something like this or an R Pi.

@robinrufino8244

5 ай бұрын

i agree with you, but intel in mobile sector yet is below amd

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

The good part is chiplet approach not just give intel benefit in efficiency but more importantly the ease of upgrade. What i mean is with chiplet/tile packaging intel can release new gen of processor without upgrading entire chiplets inside the packaging. It also help intel achieve higher yields. Such approach just make live of intel engineers easier so i hope they will able to innovate faster.

I just upgraded from EliteBook 5850U to EliteBook 835 G10 7840U with 32GB and Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, came out about USD1,650 with 5G/LTE, and it is nice, everything working out of box on Linux (Opensuse Tumbleweed); just wish it had 60-70Wh battery. I was looking into X13 or T14s as comeback to ThinkPad but went with EliteBook - availability, price and more silent operation.

Damn, i bought a 14x recently. That was a BAD decision

Nailed it into a coffin? What's the RAM speed of your test unit?

Will surely push Amd to release strix series earlier which is a win for consumers, having said that this series don't seem to be that powerful

Why is it only available in core ultra 5 with 512GB storage in canada? Should i wait a lil longer for the wider range of configs?

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Yeah there are other configs being spun up for Canada

@parthivprathipati3308

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks ohh when do you think is the best time to buy a laptop next year with these new chipsets, preferably in a zenbook 14"/15"

which camera do you use to shoot video?

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Sony FX3

So my 13900h modern 15 32gb isn't obsolete after a month?

can it compete with apple m3 or qualcomm snapdragon x-elite? in terms of battery life and NPU? when training a machine learning model, the apple m3 is even faster than any pc with nvdia with a low power consumption during training.

What about performance working on battery.

is it worth waiting till it releases locally or to just buy 13th gen?

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

depending on what your' looking when you use laptops, but judging from battery life alone i think meteor lake is worth the wait especially if you can't find simillar laptop with amd ryzen 7040/8040 series yet.

@defnotatroll

5 ай бұрын

absolutely worth waiting. the difference is gigantic. 13th gen and prior are caveman technology in terms of efficiency

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

If you are looking for a thin and light absolutely wait

@VideogamesAsArt

5 ай бұрын

if you can find CHEAP Ryzen 7040 laptops, then I would say go for it, once these are available will be very similar to them but also more expensive, I am afraid. Waiting for more reviews and data is never bad, since new and better software gets released for all laptops.

@fieryscorpion

5 ай бұрын

wait, it'll be worth it.

Why there is no comparison with Apple m3 or m3 pro macbooks?

Interesting to see where the laptop industry is moving💪👍. Being a new architecture, like Ryzen and Alder Lake, Meteor ☄Lake is going to need some time and maturity of drivers, windows scheduling etc 🤔and give it a solid 12-month and we’ll see the true nature of how Meteor ☄Lake and how well or bad it truely is🤯. I think tbh, like Ryzens debut, we’ll see a lot of teething issues, inconsistencies (as shown), performance issues, battery life concerns etc. But it seems Intel is pulling AMD and trying fro the fine wine 🍷approach 😅😂🤣

There were many firmware bios updates from asus, will you re revew this laptop?

A much much better review than the one Dave2D gave

@chromaticvisuelle

5 ай бұрын

yes I was a bit disappointed of him

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Haven't had time to watch his yet. What were the differences? Either way, I'm glad ours was helpful.

@Burdman660

5 ай бұрын

Dave was spot on. Intel launched a brand new architecture and node that barely catches up to AMD and Apple's last gen offerings and still uses more power. Hawkpoint is already launching. Why do you think there are now these two naming schemes? Probably because Intel is struggling with another node shrink and yields are terrible. The majority of units are going to be raptor lake refresh. This is just a paper launch for marketing. Stop doing these mental gymnastics to make meteor lake look appealing.

This is only renamed raptor lake with 22 threads and new igpu while single core of meteor lake are actually around same as of 13700h or something lower

Fan noise ?

@alexey_sychev

Ай бұрын

Not a macbook, but very acceptable for my taste.

thanks for the info

Jarrods new video has comparison with current intel and amd. It's pretty good for integrated gpu with arc.

like the ultra-low power cores, still wish amd did the same. lately i've been thinking, why not make a single ultra-powered core, a couple of "normal" cores, and a single ultra-low powered core(for single-thread, multi-thread and idle, respectively)

@pssthpok

5 ай бұрын

AMD will likely do the same, but at this moment, Intel is burning the world to the ground to come close to AMD's performance. AMD just needs to keep on executing on its plan, and Intel has to hope to it's silicon God that it can keep up.

Is it Intel 7nm or Intel 7?🤔

My short question is that this is faster than M3 Pro?

I've seen other reviewers show that ZenBook 14 had better battery life with Ryzen 7730U, which is two generations behind. Meteor's flagship is like 10% faster than a Zen 3 processor though so that's good, but there were Windows laptops last year that had longer battery life, you just didn't review them

Put these ultra CPU in a NUC form factor with dual NVME PCIE gen4 at least and here you go with your AV1 encoding little NAS beast :D Yes I know you can already do it with AMD 7840 and 7940 but nice to have Intel too as alternative. Gonna check aliexpress soon.

@trypwyre9024

5 ай бұрын

I agree but NUC is dead, no?

It is interesting when I look for these Asus laptops that you can buy nene states what memory speed you are getting in the actual laptop

Glad to see efficiancy is improved. Performance we knew would be a nothingburger. Kinda a tiger lake moment.

I agree, make the maker meet the right, decent specs. Good on them.

Seeing as 7040 series laptop availability hasn't been great having intel back up to speed is good.

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

honestly i can't understand why availability of 7040 in thin & light laptops is so bad even after a year from the launch. It will be a joke if meteor lake laptops come first to online market of our country before Hawk Point loll

@runninginthe90s75

5 ай бұрын

Amd still gonna milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.

@Davinmk

5 ай бұрын

@@runninginthe90s75you spam the same copy pasta under every comment, halo strix will absolutely dog walk

@InDreamsYourMine

5 ай бұрын

​@@runninginthe90s75You mean like Intel did with 14th gen?

@InDreamsYourMine

5 ай бұрын

​@@DavinmkHe spams this forgetting Intel just did the same thing with 14th gen. Unlike 14th gen, Hawxpoint has some changes, like better AI performance and Zen 4 cores across the lineup.

(as of 12/14 early afternoon US PT) Clearly there is some kind of cluster **** about the launch timing. Intel said availability was today, 12/14. Lenovo has models available on their site, but Dell and HP have zilch. A similar situation exists at retailers; B&H lists Core Ultra models (including Lenovo, Acer and MSI) but Best Buy and Newegg have nothing yet, not even a Core Ultra category under CPU.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it's a messed up launch. Some retailers are launch partners as are some laptop vendors. Other companies are holding to show their devices at CES.

@WonderSausage

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks Typical Intel. Crazy to launch on 12/14 right before CES. Those few OEMs had to throw together their Windows preloads at the last minute and air freight the inventory, there goes the profit margin. For the ThinkPad at US$2989 it probably makes sense, but for the IdeaPad at $956, not so much. Plus, the timing to get all Meteor Lake platform fixes/enhancements into Windows 11 is really bad. 23H2 was too early (released in October, which means it was baked in August) and Microsoft has a policy to not ship design change requests in November-December cumulative updates for obvious reasons. So there will probably be some Meteor Lake quirks on Windows until at least 2024.01B (nomenclature for January Patch Tuesday) or much more likely, 2024.02B (February).

I'm just hoping either intel or AMD could approach M1's battery life and power efficiency. The M1 macbook is more than 3 years old now yet they're still in high demand. It even entices me, a lifelong windows user, considering its battery life is unmatched by anything near its price range

@WhateverMan35

5 ай бұрын

They only manage by shitcanning 32-bit. intel and AMD still have to cater towards 32-bit applications being used.

@drev487

4 ай бұрын

New Qualcomm elite arm chip running alongside windows 12 mid year. Will see.

If you are testing one CPU, how is it that you are limiting it to 35w on some runs and 25w on others?

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

We aren't. Those are the Asus Performance Modes.

I always liked high performance with near apple quality laptops. They make experiences so much better, so it’s good intel is pushing Meteor Lake out.

Love to see a comparison with apples M3

These CPUs in Chromebooks will be crazy :O My i3-1215U in my chromebook already makes it beat my Ryzen 5600x in performance.

@ramseyrodriguez8515

5 ай бұрын

And can’t wait to see the battery life!

Like one can get the RAM-speed from the review samples in the final product... Spoilers: You don't.

this is genuinely game changing, arm like-ish battery (ik arm is still more power efficient, please dont d-ride m1 like always oml) with the compatibility of x86

@runninginthe90s75

5 ай бұрын

Yep, i pretty much hyped to this Intel Meteor Lake because it has Arm cpu efficiency while still having x86 cpu greatness unlike Apple overrated m series chip which barely having software and game support.

@knabbagluon

5 ай бұрын

I wanted to by the qualcomm for that but if the laptops come out soon it will be meteor lake. Qualcomm is late unfortunately.

Bro do you have any extra laptop?

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Sure but you can't have them

E-cores are space-efficient, not power-efficient, so it's great to see Intel doing _something_ to address the power draw problem. Looking forward to a revisit when the inconsistency is sorted out.

@lordec911

5 ай бұрын

One of the bullet points about E-cores, Intel specifically states that they were designed to maximize CPU efficiency, i.e. performance/watt.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Correct. However the LP-E cores ARE efficient.... Well, low power draw at least

@vncube1

5 ай бұрын

​@@lordec911perf/watt and power draw are two different things. E-cores have higher perf/watt than P-cores but they likely operated at clocks too high to improve battery life. Unlike big.LITTLE, all cores are on and chugging power. Plus Intel never advertised the E-cores as a means of improving battery life, reducing overall power consumption nor heat. They really exist to add more CPU cores within a reasonable space budget.

@utubekullanicisi

5 ай бұрын

Intel's E-cores aren't, otherwise E-cores are generally both more area and power efficient than P-cores. On the Apple M1 for example an E-core takes up 1/4 the space and draws 1/10 the power of a P-core.

@AerynGaming

5 ай бұрын

@@lordec911 Smaller cores are fundamentally more area *and* power efficient. Scaling is very roughly square, so if you make a core twice as big it gets 41% faster rather than 100% faster.

That performance variance is insane, what is happening

@thelegendaryklobb2879

5 ай бұрын

Indeed. How can they call this "nailing it"? Good generational improvements in many aspects for sure, but such large inconsistencies are a very major issue.

@wawaweewa9159

5 ай бұрын

​@@thelegendaryklobb2879cuse intel gave em a big stack of cash

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

Something simillar to intel arc last year. Meteor lake is basically a new area for intel even they already mastered cpu chips. We have to wait see this platform matured over time

@aliabdullahrizwan6774

5 ай бұрын

Its an engineering sample he said it in the video.

@lars2894

5 ай бұрын

What is worse is that different laptops have different 1. Cooling Capacities 2. Power Limit Range (something Intel allows manufacturers to change howerever they want, that end-users can never modify) 3. Default Power Profiles baked-in to OS

Hello, Need a suggestion from your end if you can help out my purchase decision 1. Zenbook 14X (i7-13700H) for $700 2. G14 (7735HS) for $900 3. Slim Pro 7 X (6800HS-CE) for $800 If not any of these which one would you suggest to be the best buy under $900. Much love, thanks

Qualcomm should have released laptops when they announced their chips, everyone will have either caught up or surpassed them by next year.

@dickdastardly4801

5 ай бұрын

Is the architecture of Qualcomm Arm or x86? Qualcomm is currently unable to compete with Arm architecture since it is not yet ready to outperform x86/64 under Windows.

@melkal

5 ай бұрын

@@dickdastardly4801 the average user doesn't care about architecture. It's about performance and efficiency, M3 has already surpassed the upcoming snapdragon, Intel just caught up in efficiency and AMD will do even better next year. By the time the new Arm PCs come out there will be nothing special about them.

@dickdastardly4801

5 ай бұрын

​@@melkal iOS is the operating system for M3. The Windoes on Arm is hardly functional.

@raisofahri5797

5 ай бұрын

​​@@melkalwith how bad windows arm experience is, yeah people definitely gonna care about architecture. unless Microsoft can fix those issues nobody gonna buy windows arm pc. look windows on arm are really halfbaked experience with how spotty software support is

So any of these new machines have thunderbolt 5?

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Not yet. That would require a separate controller chip since MTL doesn't have integrated TB5

@j340_official

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks​​⁠is Barlow ridge available yet ?

arm based CPU?

let intel enjoy their couple of months victory while we wait for the real next gen cpus from amd

Great. Waiting for real battery life tests.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

All our tests are real. We don't use synthetic battery life tests

Is intel arc Graphic worth buying?

as i see on Jarrod tech meteor lake are basically rebranded/renamed raptor lake !! single core are something lower of Meteor Lake because of lower clocks for 200mhz and multicore are higher thanks to 2 efficiency core more over 13700h

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

These aren't rebranded Raptor Lake CPUs in any way. That would be like saying Zen 4 is simply an upgraded Zen 3 chip

@Mr11ESSE111

5 ай бұрын

with performance and single core results seems they are !! they are something faster multicore but thanks to more cores and slower in single core but battery life are nothing better @@HardwareCanucks

@Mr11ESSE111

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks if zen4 will have same single core as zen3 tgen it will be rebrand and you will be wright but its not like that and with raptor lake are like that and single cote are even something lower then of 13700h due to 200mhz less

Still feeling my i9-13900HX will hold up for few years

@robinrufino8244

5 ай бұрын

Same here with my 7945HX3D

Thanks man.

1:27 the graphs don't make much sense though. Why would a 6800U with 67Wh outperform a 7840S with 70Wh by *6* hours? Probably different windows power plan ...

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

Nope. Nothing different there. The 6800U has the capability to put itself into a dynamically lower power state than the 7840S. One of the tradeoffs Lenovo made with their "S" models is slightly higher low load power consumption. In addition, you also have to take things such as screen size, resolution, refresh rate, cell size, memory speeds, etc etc. into account.

yeah

So they just matching 7000 ryzen, wanna now see these compared to the 8000 series.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

8000 is 7000

@VideogamesAsArt

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks 7000 and 8000 don't denote architecture. 8040 is a refresh (Zen 4, by the name) but that's not all the 8000 chips that will come out next year. 7000 series have even Zen 2 mendocino chips with very outdated performance, meant for ultra-budget laptops. 8050 processors will contain Zen 5 laptops with a big jump in performance. I don't know what @allergictobs9751 meant, if Hawk point or strix, but the latter will most likely be much ahead of this. Even matching their competiton is still very good for Intel though, compared to where they have been until now

@Davinmk

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@HardwareCanuckswhat he means is how it compares to next gen, which is a very good question as it’s upcoming

@rgbplague7834

5 ай бұрын

@@Davinmk It isn't coming until 2H 2024, and knowing AMD it will be a quarter or two after that before they get into the market with any real volume. That gets them pretty much to the release time of Intel Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake.

Even when they're innovating, Intel gotta Intel. One thing about Apple Silicon - it made it super easy to explain to the layperson which processor is which. The names may sound silly at first, but as I help more and more customers with them (I work in tech retail) I have to hand it to Apple, they really got the "selling" part down and made the different processors super easy to talk about. Intel on the other hand with the gobblegook names is shooting themselves in the foot before they've even gotten to the starting line, yet again.

Kinda disappointed that a brand new lineup from Intel barely competes with AMDs products that they released a year ago. Especially with a brand new node, Intel 4/7nm which is the equivalent of TSMCs 3 nm. Their single threaded performance is even on pair with their previous generation such as 1360P and 13700H.

@robinrufino8244

5 ай бұрын

it´s dog shit this cpu, at least in igpu section it´s a huge upgrade, but intel forgot cpu enhancements.

I recently bought a Galaxy Book 3 for studies & now this comes out 😅 dang it!

@Arkan_Fadhila

5 ай бұрын

damnn, i guess you should be aware that usually there is new gen of cpu every year

@akin242002

5 ай бұрын

It's still a good buy, but I fully understand the feeling. I got a Dell Latitude 7420 a few months before the Intel 12th gen P series was released. 😢😢 When the Dell Latitude 7450 gets released with 14th gen U series gets released, I'm upgrading.

@killerindustries49

5 ай бұрын

Yeah the sale was tempting 550$ for the i5 book3 model

@fightnight14

5 ай бұрын

@@killerindustries49 you still got a deal. As much as I wanted a more efficient laptop, the price with the new ones are probably twice as that

I fail to see the excitement portrayed in this "preview". The iGPU finally getting an update to match 2024 iGPU expectations is nothing to brag about; it is what we should expect after years of being messed about with Iris graphics. The 35-watt single-core results are similar to two years ago's Intel chips, with multicore higher because of extra cores/threads. I am not sold on the efficiency improvements and await real-world results using it in a mixed workload. But the reviews suggest similar efficiency to the last-gen at the same wattage. But let us be fair and give it a few months to optimise Windows, OEM firmware and apps and then revisit.

can't wait for the Snapdragon X Elite, it'd be the next "M1" innovation for windows laptop !!!

Competition is so damn great.

Thanks AMD and Qualcomm. Intel probably would have kept cruising along if there wasn't a bit of pressure on them. I am interested to see how the 'snapdragon x elite' and zen5 shake things up next summer. Personally holding off until thunderbolt 5, which looks to be a gen beyond arrow lake.

While it definitely is great that Intel caught up to AMD in laptops... well, they have just caught up. However, the 21h battery result you got is exciting. No other reviewer today has had this result, and I watched many lol I hope with more work from Intel (yes, I do think firmware and drivers from Intel are partly an issue too) the battery life will be much better which is the main selling point, and not the performance that we could have already had for many months with AMD Phoenix Zen 4

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

You raise a good point. One thing to mention is our battery life test is based on a real world rather than synthetic result.

@VideogamesAsArt

5 ай бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks Is it even possible to test battery in a synthetic test? Other test I have seen from other reviewers is youtube/netflix videos, a VLC video with airplane mode on, a script that opens websites and browses (and not just refreshes the same one, although, I assume the load ends up being the same one), and then an idle one that, while unrealistic, does help to know the efficiency of the chip if nothing else. All of those are real life workloads. I do agree that the 'load' tests are mostly cinebench on repeat, which is synthetic, so maybe that's where real life testing is better. I am excited to see if after firmware and driver changes more tests and workloads will have the extreme battery life you got in your browser refresh test! Remaining hopeful

@coprilettodelnapoli5466

4 ай бұрын

x86 + windows are the problems.

Why in the world would you assume the performance variance is due to Asus’ build quality or lack thereof? It feels obvious to me that the first culprit to look at would be the new thread scheduler and/or the introduction of a THIRD distinct core type that Windows’ and Intel’s own schedulers have to account for.

@HardwareCanucks

5 ай бұрын

The schedulers become very much irrelevant when pushing a full core workload. It would potentially be an issue if we'd only be talking about lightly threaded scenarios wherein the scheduler is much more involved in directing traffic interactions whereas in a full core load it just says "everything here".

This is a pretty heavy step in the right direction for Intel.

As if consumers weren't confused enough by hundreds of models from every brand , intel and Amd decided to worsen it with their naming scheme . Just keep it simple like Apple silicon for fks sake ! 1) Something like Inter core lite (i3) , Intel core (i5) , Intel core pro( i7) ,Intel core ultra or pro max(i9). 2) Next two character represents the generation eg: 14th, 15th gen etc 3) Finally last suffix represents special characteristics and power lvl eg: H , U, P etc 4) With this name scheme there would be : intel core 15 lite , intel core 15U/H/P , intel core 15H/HX pro , intel core 15H/HX ultra. Replace " Intel core" with " Ryzen" for AMD . No weird long string of numbers , no 6 different versions of same chip with different prices and best part is even if someone unfamiliar with tech and cpu sees the name they can take a good guess on what to choose since this name scheme is common in smartphones too ! You don't need to break your head over a cpu :)

@moist_ointment

5 ай бұрын

P series is gone. HX is irrelevant for 99%+ of people

problem with bigger channels that everyone got own results of same product

I knew the performance on this processor sucked right now in inconsistency at least. I watched a review of a laptop with this processor on the Toasty Bros and they were saying how good it was. I could only think how bad it was because they tested one of my favorite games overwatch on it, and not only was it not even close to as good as my new laptop with an 13th gen i5 and rtx 3050 but it sat like right next to my old laptop in performance which has a ryzen 5 3500u processer with Vega 8 integrated graphics.

proud of you intel , an igpu basic in everything chipset that allows you 60fps EVEN in modern GAMES. i remember registry mods tricks file swaps and a volt trick to get the INTEL hi definition graphics to even run at "20" fps until i invented an upscaling mode of pure pixel until you correct and sharpen at rate and BOOM NITRO made intel ARC GRAPHICS...

Now if Intel can just make laptops that aren't desktop replacements with good battery life...

@Wahinies

5 ай бұрын

*laughs in spinning up fans launching a browser*

Ofc this happens a week after I get 3hr laptop.

Question is, would shitty Windows be able to schedule tasks and activare and deactivate cores efficiently????

A great personality. A great video.