I've searched the entire internet for idle power usage stats and found nothing as comprehensive as this. Finally, I can make a decision thanks to you.

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

👍

@excelsiusprime

Жыл бұрын

True. I need this stat for 3D version.

@Saimeigaming

11 ай бұрын

What was your decision btw ?

@thescarletcars

11 ай бұрын

@@Saimeigaming went wth the 13700k with a 4070ti

@adithyadanaj9768

10 ай бұрын

​@@thescarletcarswhich would you choose between i5 12500h and ryzen 7 6800h for a laptop?

So nice to see reviews based on actual work instead of just gaming.

@Sakosaga

Жыл бұрын

You must not be watching good tech channels because the better ones do gaming and real world work loads. If you work in the enterprise sector alot of them are locked into Intel because some of the software doesn't work with AMD.

@w04h

Жыл бұрын

@@Sakosaga The problem is that most reputable channels use power viruses or heavy renders to measure power consumption and then base the entire review of off that which is simply misleading because many heavily multithreaded apps still don't fully utilize given cpu. And this is true even for gpus.

@Sakosaga

Жыл бұрын

@@w04h even if it's the case of alot of applications that are older, may use just 1 or 2 primary cores. You're going to still end in a similar situation. Remember there was a time when Intel's turbo boost did only push 1 or 2 of it's cores depending on the platform because they took in too much power when you would try to boost all of them instead still leading to a power draw that was still higher. If you effectively remove the turbo boost function from them, sure they'll consume far less power but these CPUs are designed to be pushed hard right Dealing with massive amounts of heat. That's why the Turbo boost technology has changed so much. Also alot of reputable reviewers that I watch use super old and new testing for benchmarks and when they measure power draw they do it from the application that will measure what stretches the most from the CPU and it's idle consumption. Most large scale businesses won't be using these chips as an option and this is coming from someone who has spoken with venders such as HP , Lenovo , etc usually when your business is under a contract with them, they typically won't send you the newest hardware for a business to use because stability, compatibility, and cost. In a situation where you have people who render movies, make video games, etc. They're most likely using a platform such as AMD thread ripper or Epyc servers because of the need for more CPU power for heavy data transfers which can take an insane amount of CPU power to just transfer files. These are consumer chips and most of the sales from these things aren't going to be used for little things like typing emails and only watching KZread, etc, those consumers would most likely find a laptop that has a decent amount of power that isn't anywhere near a 13900k's power. So I can understand the argument but in terms of real world it isn't going to be the same or used that way that's why people don't test these things like this, it's for the targeted audience of who these are for or worst case scenario of these chips.

@Andytlp

Жыл бұрын

Intel is more efficient in these productivity apps. Either due to acceleration or better optimization by intel or the app developers. So if you work and game go intel, if you only game you might want to look at amd only. In gaming on avg amd is about 30% more efficient. Cpus are pretty efficient these days so it wont matter much anyway. Laptops on the other hand amd is the only choice if you aim to use battery often.

@Dhruv-qw7jf

11 ай бұрын

​@@Sakosagaplease name some as I really need more of these professional workloads centric channels. I know like, close to 20 channels focused on gaming sweating over 10-20 fps, but I was only able to find this one channel that focused on productivity workloads.

It would have been interesting to see ryzen 5000 cpus included in this, especially considering 12th and 13th gen are included.

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

I have a Ryzen 5 5600. If I remember it correctly, it idles at around 7W, sometimes under 4W if the reading from the Adrenalin software is true

@-opus

Жыл бұрын

@@KingMacintosh My 5700x is idling at 0.4GHz and 9W, that seems rather mild to me.

@fynkozari9271

Жыл бұрын

The uploader concluded, Intel is better under the assumption gaming PCs will be idle most of the time. Its called "gaming" PC. Its for gaming.

@-opus

Жыл бұрын

@@fynkozari9271 well your keyboard works, congratulations.

@ryansaltzgiver3651

Жыл бұрын

Really would have liked to see the new i5-13400 from Intel but either way great video maybe just expand the generations of both companies maybe even 10th and 11th GEN from intel

Are C-states on and all for both sides?

That's true. Being a creator does not utilize CPU/GPU at 100% always. Thanks for this, I am looking for some irl testing of the software both in idle and stress test. Part of being a creator is thinking and that is an idle time so we should consider that.

@dtibor5903

Жыл бұрын

10w vs 50w is a dramatic difference of 2-3 dollars per month if running 24/7

@dtibor5903

Жыл бұрын

May make a difference if you have a company with hundreds of PC's

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

@@dtibor5903 This is FAR more important than that ,, this information DESTROYS the AMD SHILLS that have been LIARS

@zihechen3111

Жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 😅so true

Have you tried lowering the power consumption of the intel 13th gen processors via bios? Like undervolting, limiting the temperature or manually putting pl2 values? Please make a video on that.

It would be useful to see the same comparison with the 65W CPUs.

@klounader

Жыл бұрын

I support you!

@johnpreston8621

Жыл бұрын

There is no point in testing applications optimized for processors from one of the manufacturers, as in this case. Adobe products are not only optimized for Intel processors, but also use a very small number of cores and threads - it is for this reason that we do not see a serious difference between 6 core and 16 core processors in task execution time. All this makes such reviews absolutely meaningless and false. Any optimization involves completely different principles of load and processor operation - so this video is not about the truth, but about a rude and blatant lie.

@juno1597

Жыл бұрын

@@johnpreston8621 Cope. Adobe has Quick Sync, and the point still stands. Intel overall is way more power efficient unless the processor is underload a significant amount of the time..

@Matti6950

4 ай бұрын

Trust me 7900 (65 watt) is much better then this char, only the idle will say more or less same (few watt less), all the rest will be better and for sure (without a doubt) beat intel. Did enough research. I have 7950x3d: It's much more power efficient then this video would make you extrapolate or believe.

@SpookFilthy

Ай бұрын

My ryzen 7900 (non-x) has a poor idle performance. It's exactly consistent with this video. My 12700k is far better

All the time I heard AMD fans saying that AMD is more efficient... turns out that AMD is only efficient if you leave your PC running at full load all the time. (Which is some people, but not most people).

@theTechNotice

9 ай бұрын

Exactly...

@bjarne431

25 күн бұрын

Intel has basically always been way more efficient at low/idle load, interesting to see that is still the case today. I remember comparing a hashwell system and amd fx system, the difference was staggering with the amd fx system drawing more power at idle than the hashwell i5 was drawing under load

@tak4043

25 күн бұрын

Guru3D does these idle power measurements from the wall on all of their processor reviews and there's basically no difference in idle system power consumption between Intel and AMD.

@michalsvihla1403

16 күн бұрын

@@bjarne431 Hashwell? Is that the predecessor to Kebablake?

@bjarne431

16 күн бұрын

@@michalsvihla1403 indeed, and its almost as good as kebab(lake) :-) (i know i misspelled it)

This is the exact reason I got the 13900K, it has an amazing balance between low task efficiency, and high task brute force. When I see those 24 cores kicking in my 3D renders I love how much time it saves, but in between renders and between workloads in general, I am so thankful that I can have this beast of a CPU sitting at idle barely sipping power. Over time I reckon it will be even more efficient on a yearly basis than my old 9700K - despite being a latest gen i9 and everyone shouting "Intel power consumption bad!!!!". In reality, my experience is the exact opposite. And tbh nobody outside of enterprise studios sit with render queues 24/7 for 100s of customers waiting in line.

@bigbro890

Жыл бұрын

You'd be better off rendering with a decent gpu. Who still uses cpu for rendering?

@Real_MisterSir

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbro890 There are tons of render software that are cpu-specific optimized due to the accuracy that you only get from cpu rendering - so a gpu would do jackshit for me. If it was a common blender render it would be different, but that ain't me. There are plenty of reasons why one would go with either cpu or gpu rendering, thus far there isn't a "one way solves everything" solution. In my case, Cinema 4D + Corona render only supports cpu rendering, with gpu denoising. I'd gain nothing from upgrading my 2070S to a 4090 (in terms of rendering speed).

@bigbro890

Жыл бұрын

@@Real_MisterSir There is absolutely no need for cpus accuracy for 3d renders lol. This is the dumbest thing I've heard this year so far

@Real_MisterSir

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbro890 Do a simple test then. Take a complicated scene with complex light bounces and scattering within various transparent and opaque materials. You'll find that the light bounces will have a degree of variance that is far greater for gpu renders, than cpu renders. This is because the gpu cores calculate approximations much better than precise interactions, thus the photon tracing is randomized to a greater extend than cpu rendering. This also leads to more noise, even if the render itself is generated faster, so you will just shift the problem from one place to another, also why most gpu-based render applications use post-process denoising to a greater extend than cpu render applications require - again compromising the potential quality of the final render because denoising is inherently inferior to accurate first-time raw render calculation. Granted, for many people the actual quality difference isn't noteworthy enough to be an issue, or sometimes not even something you'd notice at all if you don't actively search for it. Each task is different, and different render solutions cater to different needs. On top of this there are also other advantages to cpu rendering, such as support for far greater memory capacity since it has direct access to your RAM, compared to the GPU which relies exclusively on VRAM which is still very limited even for the highest tiers of enterprise Nvidia cards, let alone consumer cards that are restricted to 24gb or less. If you render complex scenes with very high texture quality and material complexity, this too can potentially cause more issues with gpu rendering vs cpu rendering. And yes there are other differences too. And no, I do not personally choose cpu rendering because I demand this pinnacle level of quality. I just choose it because my 3D modelling and render software of choice is cpu limited, that's all. But I do appreciate the precision and final quality potential of the renders, as do my clients.

@bigbro890

Жыл бұрын

@@Real_MisterSir Okay, I liked your comment. You obviously know what you are talking about. As you say, the differences are hard to spot. In my opinion it's not worth the insane render times on cpu.

Exactly all that matters is how fast they are because the time saved doing a compile or render is worth way more over a year than a couple of coffee. Probably if you get more done then you will safe money of coffees too while waiting for a task to complete 😀

Maybe a different test you can and should do with Blender is the viewport/eevvee test instead of rendering on CPU. The viewport remaining nice and smooth while working in Blender is the number 1 thing.

Great video, I was looking for something like that. I'm curious where the i5 13500 would land on that comparaison. Somewhere between the 12600k and 13600k would be my guess?

What BIOS versions were you using? There was an AGESA update that reduced Ryzen 7000 idle wattage to normal levels

Tech notice didn't include any x3D chips, which give better performance per watts, in my observations. Is there any comparison with x3d chips ?

good job ! I think for CAD work, idle makes up an even bigger percentage. I was allready thinking about buiding with intel because of the DDR4 that I have, but based on this video I think I will be going with 13700K instead of 13900 K. Also needing less cooling means less noise and maybe a smaller case. I swithced to GPU rendering some years ago so more cores does very little for me.

@Nods.O

Жыл бұрын

I can reconmend the 13700k it is a beast of a CPU i pick mine up from microcenter for 370$ with coupon code. Everything runs smooth and I even undervolted it with a slight oc 5.5p 4.5e cruches through all my workloads.

@kilosera

Жыл бұрын

If you look for a quiet build and do not travel with your PC (case is heavy) then I can recommend Fractal Define C with solid side instead of glass. Currently I run it with 9700k and noctua dh15s - it's really silent even under load (cpu is not OC'd).

Did you install the latest AMD chipset drivers? They made a big difference on my system for idle power.

@Matty-rn5gt

Жыл бұрын

@@nyimakgan the latest drivers and the version before both had an impact. I’m going to fresh install 22H2 next to see how much that helps. It’s not a

Glad someone pointed it out! This is why I still prefer Intel than AMD. However, I think the low idle power of intel is because of it being monolithic while AMD is using chiplets/soc, not the best explanation but something like that.

@LiveType

Жыл бұрын

Yep, it's due to the infinity fabric and I/O die not being able to downclock/ramp up fast enough or else you get stutters. Downside of chiplets but sort of inconsequential for desktop usage. Like it was a ~20 kwh difference for those top end chips. That's not much. Notice how amd laptop SOCs are all monolithic though as that does matter there.

@brianrobinson3961

Жыл бұрын

I believe you are correct. The new AMD GPU's 7900XT & 7900XTX are chiplet architecture and have high idle power draw. I do believe chiplets are the future but we have to figure out how to make them more efficient at idle.

@reptilespantoso

Жыл бұрын

The AMD Ryzen 7000x are just tuned very, very inefficient stock. Intel did that better, objectively. But who cares? This video is just about clicks I realize now.

@dawienel1142

Жыл бұрын

@@reptilespantoso Also 5000 series is ALOT more efficient out of the box and my 5800X3D at stock is using between 20-30 watts with some stuff running in the background like Chrome/YT and discord. I will tune my system a bit and try to get it closer to 15 watts. My RTX3080Ti does hover around 50 watts with spikes to 110 watts but it has a 110core and 1100mem OC, again with discord and Chrome/YT open.

@johndoh5182

Жыл бұрын

That is EXACTLY it. Using chiplets means you have to boost signal levels to move them from one chiplet to another and even at idle a PC is doing some work. But really, that's such a trivial thing I find it laughable. In all-core loads and gaming Zen 3 and Zen 4 parts like the 5800X3D, 7600X and 5600X destroy Intel parts. And for frames per watts, Techpowerup measures the 13900K at 2.13 fps/W, the 7600X at 4.47fps/W (best) and the 5800X3D at 4.1fps/W (2nd best) This data is old. In case you don't understand this data or question it, Techpowerup does THE most detailed CPU reviews. Gamer's Nexus also does SOME power analysis but nowhere near the detail of Techpowerup. Search "Techpowerup 13900K review". But here's the kicker. The 7600, 7700 and 7900 are all about to lay waste to the line of Intel parts for power consumption. In fact I just checked Techpowerup and they've reviewed the 7600 and 7700 so those are now added to the charts and the 7700 is the most power efficient CPU in all-core loads and near the top for gaming efficiency. Idle? That's your concern? Turn your PC off because the rest of the components are using as much or more than the CPU.

This is a surprise and a very cool discovery. Congratulations, great work !! Out of curiosity, which power mode have you set in config ? Also, have you tried AMD eco mode ?

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

Both systems tested in balanced power mode

Great test! I fully agree with the findings. The max power draw is only needed for deciding cooling. For the vast majority of users the CPU is 95% of the time, so the low load power draw determines the cost.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

true

@TheAddanz

Жыл бұрын

Except HWInfo doesnt display accurate Wattage when AMD cpus are idle. Test yourself using Ryzen Master side by side with HWInfo and you see the wattage drop when cores park on Ryzen Master, but not on HWinfo. HWInfo is wrong

@RobTheBeat

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheAddanzWij van wc eend adviseren wc eend

Great work. It would be interesting to measure actual wall power usage comparing an Intel based desktop versus an Intel based laptop. I know these chips are different (even with the same model numbers). I would like to know how much saving do I get using a laptop.

Real world testing is where it is at. Benchmarks only show a part of the picture. That being said, I think anyone would be happy with either of the two flagship chips. I'm loving the bump I got from my upgrade this week. Moved from 6th gen i7 with a 1080 to a 13th gen i9 13900k and an Asus Strix 3080ti...OMG! These two parts are working in conjunction with my Z790 Maximus Hero and the upgrade is AWESOME.

@Phenom98

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's a big upgrade!

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

3080Ti is the best well rounded Ampere card, good choice there. A friend build a 3080Ti system with a Ryzen 9 5900X.

I've made a lot of testing with my Ryzen 5600H Laptop to find out its best performance per Wat. Power efficiency depends on max TDP. So it was 15 W for a 50 W processor. Where it has exactly 50% of max computing power but much lower temperatures

Curious about the figures you used to calculate the KW/Year figure (if it's in the video I missed it). Looking into cpus for a homelab so I'd have to figure out what would be the KW/year for 24/7/365 load of 30/40% on most cores to have a ballpark idea what the difference could be between a 7950x and a 13900k (and a 5950x and 7945hx and a 13900h too ideally, if I find any figures about those around)

I undervolted my i7-12700K by -120mv and power limit is set to 190 watts. I use FL Studio and it maxed out at 142 watts for a project that used 80-90% of the chip. 60 degrees as the max. I don't know if my tuned i7 is the highest perf/watt chip on the list. Efficency goes away when i enable AVX512, system responsiveness isn't the same too without Big-Little. Motherboard is MSI-Z690 Pro A DDR5, Deepcool Assassin 3 , Corsair 5000D Airflow and 32GB Corsair DDR5 4800 (no XMP, just stock). After i used stock power limits and undervolted the chip, i reduced power consumption by 35% for the same multicore perfomance on Cinebench (almost 23000 points). And iddle power draw is 10 watts with a partial overclock, no core parking, infinite turbo.

@quintrapnell3605

Жыл бұрын

Undervolting is almost always the way to go.

How would an intel 13 gen + 4000 nvidia series gpu compare to a Max Studio in power consumption? I built a PC for video- editing in 2022 and now I need a second unit (also for video editing in Da Vinci Resolve)and I would rather to build another pc, but I worry about electricity bills, as I have already noticed a significant increment with just the one unit I use, so I'm wondering if I should go with a mac studio as a second unit. Thank you all for your help!

@markjacobs1086

Жыл бұрын

A PC doesn't stand a chance against Apple silicon when it comes to power draw during video editing tasks. If that's all you need it to do I'd get the studio if you're going for pure efficiency.

Hello Im working full time and have no time to let my computer "idle" when i switch it on I instatly start gaming doing some work stuff. Would u conisder Amd instead of intel for example ryzen 5 7.6 instead of intel 13.5 ??? Would love to get the answer quick I'm buying pc this week❤❤

This definitely needs to be expanded. Compare DDR5 and DDR4, older ryzen 5000 generations, possibly even 11th gen Intel and CPUs with lower TDPs

@Lagggerengineering

Жыл бұрын

Oh, also the Ryzen Eco mode should be added, I love that function!

4:55 have you checked your BIOS settings? A minimal VDDCR of 1.36V in IDLE seems unusual, this should be around 1.0V. When did you start monitoring in HWINFO? Running PS in the background isn't cosidered IDLE though.

@Phenom98

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, AMD voltages out of the box are absolute crap. I managed to get my 5700x to run all day at 4.6ghz using only 1V and 60W peak. Usually around 20-30 though

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

@@Phenom98 Also Intel voltages, my i7-12700K new was pulling 230 watts and 1.45 volts. I reduced that thing from 1.45 volts to 1.2, then 230 watts to 170 for Cinebench R23. Thanks MSI.

@Alpine_flo92002

4 ай бұрын

AMD stock voltages are very floaty. They move around a ton and rarely settle for a long time at lower voltages. Intel downclocks way more aggressively and also moves voltages quicker

@faizanshah1281

3 ай бұрын

@@Phenom98how

this is a very interesting test that provokes more investigation. It would be interesting to measure actual wall power usage over an extended time (I could do this myself if I had a power meter) for a truly real-world measurement of domestic computing costs. I've noticed my own 12900 system showing a package power draw of typically something like 23W in a quiescent state. It's only when doing something like Cinebench or prime95 that the consumption figures really shoot up (along with the fan speed). Of course, HwInfo64 isn't telling the entire story of power usage, but it's a good indicator. ETA: ah, you did the real-world wall-socket test! I commented too early. Excellent work.

@lycanthoss

13 күн бұрын

Commenting this a year late, but a BIOS update can also change how much power your CPU is using while idling. For example I remember seeing ~20W idle power usage (HWINFO CPU package) on my 12600K and it turned to ~9-13W after updating BIOS.

amazing video! just what i was looking for, would you do another video for the 7000 series NON-X? just to keep a track if the newest AMD cpu's are more power efficient this time as they are claiming :O

@wolfenwingsable

Жыл бұрын

And compare to the locked 13th gen cpus as well!

Amd idle power is caused by the chiplets architecture. Their monolithic mobile cores don't need to move the data off chip & are far more efficient.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

It has nothing to do with chiplet or monolithic. Even AMD would be wrecked by Intel on laptops. Big-Little is used by Intel right now, AMD doesn't.

@bgtubber

Жыл бұрын

​@@saricubra2867 OP is right. It is because of the chiplet architecture. The IO chip (which doesn't exist in Intel CPUs) consumes power even if the CPU cores aren't doing anything. It consumes even more power when the cores from two or more chiplets need to communicate with each other. It's one of the trade-offs of the chiplet-based architectures - the IO chip always needs to be active (hence consume power).

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

@@bgtubber Is not the I/O, it's the Zen 4 core's power consumption vs the Gracemont cores from Alder Lake and Raptor Lake. AMD will use Big-Little for Zen 5.

@bgtubber

Жыл бұрын

​@@saricubra2867 Again, this has nothing to do with the power consumption of the cores because most of the cores are _parked_ (inactive) when a CPU is in idle and they consume pretty much 0 Watts each. The IO chiplet though HAS to be active at all times even if no cores are active, so this brings up the power consumption of AMD chips in Idle (but not by much compared to Intel). Nothing to do with _core_ power draw since in idle almost all cores are parked (0 Watts consumption).

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

@@bgtubber The iddle power consumption in the video doesn't look like parked cores. I reach 10 watts on my i7-12700K at iddle without core parking, partially overclocked AND and an adaptative undervolt at the same time.

Great work buddy… this channel is slowly becoming my go to tech channel!!! Happy new year as well…

Power draw in all-core, 100% workloads is quite scary on my 14700 KF (over 300W peak), but I totally agree that this is hardly a measure of how the CPU will perform in the real world. Unless all you do all day is run CPU benchmarks like Cinebench or Blender, I suppose.. :) Power limits on my board are indeed set to "no limits" at the board's factory settings and that's the whole problem. Also doesn't help that MSI have labeled the three PL-presets in the BIOS in a sightly misleading way. Even the lowest preset will set PL1 and PL2 to 253 W and it's labeled "boxed cooler". I'd like to see any Intel stock-cooler keep up with this CPU at those PL-settings, lol. The "no limits" preset is called "water cooler" or something similar, implying that you can run your CPU without power limits on a 240mm (or even a 120?) AIO. Which I could with my much less power-hungry 12600K but definitely NOT with the 14700KF. All that said: After having read up on the whole power-limit thing, I adjusted PLs, max current and voltage offset manually and the chip will now run right up to the limit of thermal throttling while drawing ~240W max and giving me the CB23 results you'd expect from an i7. All that on a 240 AiO. In the real world, the CPU never draws more than 40 or 50 W in more demanding games, sometimes peaking as high as 70 to 100W in certain circumstances. At idle and/or in desktop/browsing mode, it's very frugal and hardly ever jumps over 10W. True idle with just a sensor monitoring app open it'll sit at around 3W all the time.

Amazing comparison! I just wanted to know what power plan were you using during this test and have you tried using AMD power saving plan to see if it changes idl result ?

AMD Eco mode measurements please? Especially with the 7900X, which is the most efficient of all at highest load, according to my calculations.

I'm having a hard time keeping my i7 13700 KF below 90c at 5.1 P and 4.1 E cores. I'm trying to get my motherboard down to 190Watt and 90c is the least I can get with acceptable impact on Cine Bench

on windows 11 currently AMD is idling high on clocks due to a power profile glitch and I believe even latest windows 10 version is also when they removed the ryzen power profiles from OS it bugged out the power states on AMD I am seeing on avg 25w-50w higher idle power draw over when they had the ryzen optimized power profiles.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Intel's efficient cores still would use far less energy than a low clocked Zen 4 one despite the huge difference in IPC.

@SpookFilthy

Ай бұрын

On Linux the idle power draw of my ryzen 7900 is equally as bad as this video demonstrates.

Here after the Gamers Nexus video today.

This is awesome content, it's rare to see these type of calculations. I would like to see the X3D chips as the 3DV-cache helps with power efficiency. But keep up the good work! :)

This is the highest idle measurement I have ever seen on an AMD CPU package. Weird...

can you disable efficiency cores and rerun the tests? I have doubts if they really help and if they are responsible for the economy. thx _o/

I like this. Im a truck driver and a gamer and lookong to build a 1080/1440 gaming computer while limiting power for my truck. Definitely still looking at a 12600kf /3070.

@maxjames00077

Жыл бұрын

Great combo! I just got my 13600k and love it but 12th gen still amazing too

@triforcelink

Жыл бұрын

Look into something like the i5 12400T, T sku is more power efficient.

Very detailed analysis. Thank you. PC World did a similar video showing the same results. I love the analogy of testing MPG at 200mph vs. average use. That was excellent. Thanks for the data Cheers Rick

Sorry I am a newb to this, what software he is using to monitor CPU wattage usage?

@theTechNotice

11 ай бұрын

Hwinfo64

Great analysis. A lot of content creators consider performance per watt which obviously gives per second efficiency this could be misleading. 10:16 Power consumption over time should be considered. Example 10w for 4s is definitely better than 7w for 6s.

@RunForPeace-hk1cu

Жыл бұрын

Not for a laptop due to thermal throttling… it’s not straight forward as you claim

I did some testing with the 7700X manual oc 1.18Vcore 5.2ghz. Also there's a setting in the bios that forces all the other parts of the cpu (iGPU Infinity fabric, etc) to run at full speed all the time. I turned that off. My idle is around 25-30 watts cpu package. Cinebench R23 ends up at around 19700 points using a max of 110 watts in hwinfo64. Without tweaking, these newer cpu's are power hogs.

For general use, which cpu produces less heat?

I wonder whether the new AMD APUs (8000G) will do better with idle power consumption

You test shown so much real life usage of processor, thanks a ton for this man & do answer my below question please: So what would you recommend for productivity on premiere & davinci I5 12600k or 13600k with MSI B660m mortar wifi & Ak620 cooler (ain't gonna overclock it) paired with 3060 or 3060ti

@sensible4170

Жыл бұрын

buy what you can afford. but beware when buying a b660 as it will probably require a bios update before you can plug a 13th gen on it. and you will need a 12th gen cpu to update the bios. some motherboard do have a feature to update bios without the need for a cpu. do some research first.

@JsGamingHub18

Жыл бұрын

@@sensible4170 yess 🙌🏼

Can you measure power draw ar the wall instead of relying solely on what software reports?

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

Did you NOT watch the video???????????????????????????????????????????????

@abaj006

Жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 obviously you didn't watch the video, because he specifically mentioned he used software only. The issue with software reporting is that it depends on the calibration of the hardware sensors, and different manufacturers may produce very different results for the same measurements.

Well done. It has been hard to find the idle power consumptions for the AMD parts. Even on the old Intel parts, idle power consumption in HW info is often in the single digits (9-11w on i7-6700 while typing this comment). I rarely put my computer to sleep as they rarely wake up properly and often leave them on to quickly resume work the next day. The power of the 7950x would be nice for encoding but the high idle power is a concern as that is 90% of the use case.

I don’t think my PC is idle very much. I turn it off when I’m not gaming.

I'm a little confused. Doesn't Idle mean the computer is not being used at all; meaning the computer is not running any programs? Your "idle" power consumption shows a program running in the background, which means it wouldn't be idle. It would be running in the background.

@deuswulf6193

Жыл бұрын

No, "idle" can include non intensive apps being run or left open even. Reading a website for example or having an empty scene with blender running, and nothing being rendered. Think of it like starting a car and while its in drive, without pushing down on the gas pedal, the car still moves forward. You can still move from point A to point B. That's kind of what "idle" refers to in the context of the CPU.

Hello. Please advise. at the moment, I have a 10400 and a 6700xt (undervolt). I was assembling a PC to consume less energy, since I live in Ukraine. Should I change to 12400 or 7600 or 7500f? and which of them will consume less? thank you

@danielkowalski7527

5 ай бұрын

12400 + get some nvidia gpu for lower power consumption undervolted 4060 goes below 100w

The AMD minimum clock was 3500mhz on one core, while on Intel it was 1100/800mhz on p/e cores...There's definitely something wrong with the AMD power management, either in windows and or in bios....

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

BAD Engineering ,,,, but so many MNAY millions believe those AMD shill liars

@uwontremembertrue1454

Ай бұрын

Exactly

How about to run both architectures in ECO mode?

This is a really interesting test, but I'm trying to decide between the 13600k, 13700k and 13900k. I'm a full time photographer and I'm trying to understand the difference in power consumption and therefore electricity cost would be over a typical year between the 3 CPUs? Is it significant or inconsequential?

@Rocky-AR

Жыл бұрын

You're not going to make a dent to your electricity bill for photography since it's mainly burst CPU usage (culling & photo adjustments). You would have to export ten of thousands of photos daily to even consider power consumption. Which software do you use and are you a high volume photo exporter?

@mdhazeldine

Жыл бұрын

@@Rocky-AR Mostly LR and Photoshop. I don't do high volume work, so most of my time is spent doing compositing and detailed retouching work in PS. I kind of came to a similar conclusion after watching some other videos and doing some maths on it. I bought the i9 13900k in the end.

@auritro3903

2 ай бұрын

@@mdhazeldine 13900k isnt a bad choice. Since its a full time job, processing photos will require a lot of cores and high productivity. 13600k is more power efficient though.

The faster cpu should have paid for itself in less than a day even when you factor electricity for the whole year.

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

There's a point in there...

Very interesting content! This makes me doubt on my choice on building an pc for cad/cam software with an AMD 7 7700 processor. What processor would you advice for design and manufacturing software (Inventor and Fusion360)?

@harrison00xXx

Жыл бұрын

Why? Because you can save 10$ on energy bills a year?!

@BT-st4ho

Жыл бұрын

@@harrison00xXx no, it’s going to be my first build and im still researching on things. my goal is to make the pc as quite as possible. For that reason I want to use hardware that doesn’t generates an lot of head, so i don’t have to run the case fans on an high rpm. Less head = less noise are my thoughts behind it.

@harrison00xXx

Жыл бұрын

@@BT-st4ho Fans? I mean i have 2 fans in my notebook, but unless i drive it really hard they are not noticable and mostly just go in idle speed of 1600 rpm, otherwise they are just OFF. Rarely, when video upscaling the fans are getting noticable, but still more silent than the average Desktop. No good performing x86 platform will ever be very silent (or efficient) in the near future, if you want it as silent as possible you need to switch to Apple silicon Macs. I bought over a year ago a 16" M1 Pro and i cant say anything bad except that its not good for gaming but i cant care less since i have a dedicated gaming notebook and an older gaming PC.

@BT-st4ho

Жыл бұрын

@@harrison00xXx yess i almost pulled the trigger on an MacBook PRO 16 M2. I love their power efficiency compared with an windows. Problem is that most CAM software an cnc controlling software don’t run on macos. That’s why i have to go with X86. I recently received an R9 7900 (65/88w tdp) and an Noctua U12A cpu cooler. I think the acoustics should be very low in my fractal design north with 5 noctua case fans. If I ever need more power from the cpu this should be no problem. If I ever buying an laptop, it’s going to be an macbook for sure

@zihechen3111

Жыл бұрын

@@BT-st4ho yes, intel is cooler and has less noise at idle. It also has better ram control . Its actually hard to find a suitable ddr5 that does not take mins on start screen loading if it’s on am5 system.

I don't understand these results. Many reviews are showing idle and single-threaded power consumption of AMD and Intel systems to be on a similar level. Some are measuring total system power draw, some CPU draw only. TechPowerUp review of the Ryzen 7600 shows several applications running below 20 W when measuring CPU power draw. Guru3D shows 73 W system power draw in idle (with a 3090) and 67 W for a 13600K. Who is lying, or doing their testing wrong?

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

They are doing the testing wrong.

@harrison00xXx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if these results are anywhere close to reality, all i can say is my i7 4790k from 2014 is as efficient as modern CPUs.... Especially the idle power draw he fked up pretty hard with his measurements, and i also dont trust the other data he collected since something is pretty off as well.

Just measure the WATT OUTPUT comming from your wall going into your PC and do THE SAME workflow on every CPU and see how much WATT they ACTUALLY use per WORKFLOW.

Do you have any experience with the Ryzen 7 5700x CPU? If so, how does it run with the RTX 3060 ti for video editing? Any info you can provide would help me out big time! Thanks for providing great information.

@mariuspuiu9555

Жыл бұрын

you won't have any issues with that CPU.

@lochnkey5216

Жыл бұрын

@@mariuspuiu9555 Thanks. I was thinking of upgrading to a i7 12700k and 3070 but for $600 more than my current system. I mostly do 4k braw editing on Premiere while starting to learn Davinici. Just so many options in computers, and I don't know what's the best bang for the buck.

@mariuspuiu9555

Жыл бұрын

@@lochnkey5216 you don't need to be on the bleeding edge to do your work properly. enjoy your very capable and cheaper system. put that money towards more ram and a good GPU (Davinci Resolve uses the GPU a lot, especially the studio version)

Great way of presenting the data. Considering and including "idle" or "

I am used to idle on my pc a lot and seeing usage of 10W while watching youtube or just some light tasks its crazy good.. Intels 13 and 12gen cpus are just really amazing, I am in love with this thing

@urkent4463

3 ай бұрын

1.6 to 1.8 Watts on Energy-profile 'enery-saving' for my 13600k with browser and vid open otherwise 20 get the switch for ya taskbars guys - powerplanswitcher - microsoft store

Is main B760i suitable for intel 13700k?

idk why everyone says AMD consumes less. Got 7800X3D/ 3090/ 64GB DDR5 with X670E Mainboard and it consumes much more than my previous build (11600k/3090/64GB DDDR4) in idle. Ingame the 7800 does consume way less than intel, but idle tdp (155w with 2 1440p monitors) is wild in my current setup.

@Matti6950

Ай бұрын

Dunno what you are doing but 155 watt is insanely much for your setup. I use 104 watt idle average with 7950x3d (uses more idle, about 8-10 watt), 1080 gtx, single monitor, X670E motherboard and 64gb DDR5. You are either overlocking or disabled some sleep state bios settings, causing massive idle power. This is with 5 SSD's and 1 harddrive.

I feel the same. It is not about full idle but small tasks in the background. Even playing YT video on Ryzen setup draws much morre power than my intel setup. If you use your PC 12+ hours a day this can contribute to power bills.

I wonder how much difference it makes to do a set amount of work instead of a set amount of hours. So converting 10,000 photos, exporting 4 hrs of video a day etc. The faster processors should take less time whilst consuming more energy whilst working. :)

and how about the new ryzen 7700, 7900, without the x ? its only 65 tdp?

Also interesting about pugetbench scores. I really wonder what is the amount of included tests that are part of 99% of general usage of an overage photoshop user. Could be that there are some included tests that in real life are commonly used by only 1% of photoshop users, but on the other hand make the results of intel look nicer? By the way, techpowerup's photoshop custom test puts 7700X above 13900k in performance.

This is what I thought as well. Even in gaming, it was really easy to add a negative offset voltage on my 12700k and remove around 50-70w during gaming, and incredible idle power usage. Meanwhile, everyone was harping about Ryzen's power efficiency, but that is only on full load which is usually only in a short time. Still, there is something about getting almost the same performance at almost half the power usage with the 7950x with the 105 eco mode. At the end of the day, both platforms are really good this generation and choose whichever you think will fit your needs!

@aldisskudra3687

Жыл бұрын

AMD's 105w mode consumes 140+ w, so as 65w mode consumes 88w, so it's closer 2/3 of max power usage than half

@Kohilenn

Жыл бұрын

@@aldisskudra3687 You are right, I was doing a quick google search to find out the max power draw the chip did at stock lol

@ishiddddd4783

Жыл бұрын

Most of the issues with zen4 are based on their stock clocks and voltages, once you do a PBO curve or outright lower the non boost clock speeds, most of the idle power consumption numbers go down by a lot, that's pretty much what the zen4 non X SKU's are, idle clocks are almost or are a whole GHz lower than X variants, but turbo speeds are around 200mhz lower or less, zen3 didn't have this issues either out of the box, so the video is mostly flawed since with intel you can do a PL2 to 250W or underclock a zen4 chip and both will consume the same power at idle, but zen4 will keep the crown with higher loads

Interesting results, especially since they seem to be in contrast with results from most other reviews, and with physics (5nm technology ought to be more efficient than 10nm). I did understand that Ryzen's performance/watt improves a lot when running them in eco mode, e.g. when running the 7950x in 105W or even 65W instead of its default 170W mode.

@maxjames00077

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, imagine when Intel gets on the same node size! Can't wait for them to make something in the leadership position again power performance wise!

@lapz6758

11 ай бұрын

​@@maxjames00077kinda necroposting but intel is pretty damn close to tsmc 5nm with intel 7(former 10nm and the reason they renamed it is obvious haha)

where would the 7900 non X be on the chart on 9:25 ?

Are the 13th gen processors under volt'd or running stock?

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

Stock

I think a better way of measuring power consumption for low power draws is using a current clamp or a power meter, since even in HWinfo64, it tells you lower down that there's a power measurement deviation for ryzen of up to 200% (this is just what I've seen on 5950x), with it regularly being around 150% at around 50W displayed. but yes, that aside, I do agree with you that amd tends to suffer on desktop for idle power consumption for a current clamp, they can be had for less than $50 and work by measuring the current passing through the wire, you would just need to clamp it sround the 4 (or 8) 12V wires for the eps plugs

Not sure how you made your 7950x idle at 55W. My 7950x idles at 18-20W at stock (no tuning, undervolting etc). This makes me doubt the validity of the whole test. My Threadripper 3970x idles at 54W and compared to 7950x it's made on 7nm vs 5nm, it has 5 chiplets instead of 3 in 7950x and it has a freakin *HUGE* 12nm IO die compared to the one in 7950x which has a tiny IO die made on 6nm.

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

could be the motherboard... what mobo are you using? But regardless even 20W at idle is quite a lot, don't you think? 🤔

@bgtubber

Жыл бұрын

@@theTechNotice Could be. I use Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master.

@RS-nq8xk

Жыл бұрын

Might depend on what RAM you use too. Faster RAM is harder to run.

Great content mate, happy new year with even more great stuff from you!

is it possible to find a i9 13900T ?

gaming and many other applications types have hard spikes in utilization, it is still very very important to get a psu that can handle your full CPU.

I’m a gamer and I still love to follow your channel. You talk about a lot of issues that are not covered anywhere else and offer a lot of details regarding testing. Keep up the great work!

For Ryzen 5000 series it really depends on the CPU and utilization for workload power draw. I can't say fully yet for 7000 series. But per core power utilization I get more from my 5950x than my 5900x or my 5800x. I think that has to do with the binning. Both my 5900x and 5800x use a decent more watts per core. My 5600x is pretty close to the 5950x per core. But the point of that thing is to max frequencies. So a lot gets wasted going those last few hundred.

great job! thanks for this review/comparison ! it would be interesting to know how much total pc consumes doing those tasks ( with or without a monitor) I think on average a gpu ( depending which of course) on idle - doing something could consume around 20-60w ?? ( not gaming not rendering ). and ram. around 8 -10 watts ? fans 12watts.. ssd like 10 ? Motherboard ,,mm : around 20 w ? of course this are my'' just out of the pocket '' assumptions .. :P. so. the whole pc ( without monitor) would be consuming on average ( doing simple tasks ). 30-40 watts cpu + 50 w gpu + 20 w Motherboard ?+ 25 w ram&ssd &fans (?) = more or less 90-120 watts ?

Two years ago I built a pc for my son with a i5-10400f. I choose this instead of Ryzen 3600 because of the lower temperatures in games and better (in game) performance at the same time. His pc is really dead silent with a FUMA 2 cpu cooler and Nitro 5700xt card at 1440p gaming and most important, it is problems free. I recently bought a 5800x3d for my pc to replace my Ryzen 2700 and now I am in process of RMA it because of whea errors following by restarts. If I could afford it I would replace my system for a 13600k/13700k but, unfortunately I cannot do this right now...

@h1tzzYT

Жыл бұрын

" because of whea errors following by restarts." I had the exact same issue with my 5950x, only new cpu sample fixed it. Its actually very well known issue and whats bizarre that even with 5800x3d launch amd couldnt manage to fix that. Im going to use my 5950x for a long time, but when the time comes for an upgrade im going intel 100%

so in the end, if we factor gaming into the mix, intel or amd will be more power efficient? both in desktop & laptop. in uk, 5 quid difference isn't a lot annually, but in 3rd world countries, it's a big difference. considering these days we have tons of power hungry features emeging like ray tracing, high refresh rate monitors etc.

The first time I saw the same conclusion was at PcWorld. At that time there was the 12th gen, but the same seems to be valid for the 13th gen, it is even better actually. The same I would like for laptops, power is more important in a laptop.

My 13700K is using 10-15W watching this video. :)

Hey, Get an digital PSU like HXi series from Corsair. With digital PSUs you can monitor each cable or socket power consumption.

Was min and max software reported numbers?

Can you make another video but to compare non X models? Is 7900 non x more efficient at idle then 13700k?

@theTechNotice

Жыл бұрын

I'll find out! :)

@hovasty

Жыл бұрын

@@theTechNotice thanks for reply, looking forward to it!

@ashtonlipscomb2237

Жыл бұрын

@@hovasty wait what

@takuced6026

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for comment I wanted ask same to him for 7900 non x :)

how is the power consumption in games?

@auritro3903

Ай бұрын

Since games are more intensive, in general amd consumes less than intel

Apart from power consumption do high temperatures affect life of processor in long run ???

@vMaxHeadroom

Жыл бұрын

It depends what you mean by hi temps. Anything up to 80 degrees C is no issues whatsover but even at 90 degrees C the CPU should run fine for the life of the CPU as it will never be running at max load 24/7. I have always overclocked and now undervolt as well but during my older days with the likes of a 4790K heavily overclocked, I had no issues over the 5 year run...Good cooling is important and I have been using AIO's for many years now and they do keep the CPU's even at max load/speed Cinebemch 23 at around 70 to 80c on my current 13700K.

@mrugeshmaheshwari390

Жыл бұрын

@@vMaxHeadroom ok thank you for answer.... i m gonna buy new pc in few days so this was the only thing i was concerned about because i want igpu of intel ........ But seeing high temperature thing about INTEL was confusing me ....

7950X são dois CCX/chiplets, eu já vi e li a respeito que algumas aplicações não conseguem usar mais de um CCX/chiplets, será que isso foi verificado no caso da aplicação usada no teste aos 20:30 até porquê se for uma aplicação que tem preferencia em single Thread será notório o melhor desempenho em determinadas aplicações dependendo de como essas foram programadas, também um dos motivos dos melhores processadores preço/benefício estarem "no meio" da lista de suas gerações...

You need to measure stuff from the wall. Software could very well be reporting 15W package power but be consuming way more or less.

Can the AE crowd request some testing benchmarks as well? Most of the rendering workload falls on the CPU and Ram for motion design/animation. :)

Does this count for gaming too ??

Unfortunately there's lots of unknowns here and I wish there wasn't. 1. If you used some testing workflows with a fixed duration(?) then depending on the type of test, there could be a problem: The faster CPU might complete more work in the same amount of time than the slower CPU and as expected use more power. 2. guru3d checked total system power consumption of the system measured directly from the wall and the idle system draw with the 7800x3D was 75W while the most efficient modern CPU from Intel, the 12600k, was at 76W. So either there is something wrong with your AMD system or the HWINFO metrics can't be trusted. Also to quote techpowerup on the subject: "We're not using the software sensors inside the processor, as these can be quite inaccurate and will vary between manufacturers." 3. Your AMD idle power draw results seem to be insanely high. Something seems wrong when one compares it with other reputable sites' results.

@tak4043

28 күн бұрын

Came to post something similar after KZread wanted me to watch this. I trust Guru3Ds total system idle power consumption numbers over these. CPU idle power usage differences are useless if the system draws the same power from the wall anyway.

can we get even more efficiency from 13 gen? If it’s even worth it… because my color grading monitor consumes freaking 60W

@zihechen3111

Жыл бұрын

No, my 13600k does not even work at idle on my db4 fanless 65w tdp design machine 😅

Hi, Can you do the same review with all new CPUs?

I think I will stick with my Threadripper and maybe add an Arc GPU. I also don't limit myself to just Adobe products, which is clearly optimized for Intel processors.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Isn't about being optimized for Intel processors, they only have better IPC and single core perfomance than your Threadripper.

@julesc8054

Жыл бұрын

I use NVENC on the Premier timeline. Once you use workstation it's hard to return to desktops. Extra PCI express lanes buss, bandwidth, memory capacity, storage throughput. If you don't need it then desktop is fine irrespective of the brand.

Yeah I hate that they use rendering for benchmarks. I want to know how the chip is going to work in the view port, I didn't understand this and the system I built is good, but I would have changed to a better chip. I use blender to design but I'm not rendering that much, I spend more time designing. So what I learned later is single core performance is what I should have been paying attention too. I got an AMD 5800x, rtx 3080 12gb, 64 gb ram, m.2 drive, which isn't bad, but I can bog it down with a lot of modifiers. one good thing is I can still upgrade to a 5950x. I'm just waiting for the prices to drop some more. I think with all that I've learned in the past year I would have gotten an intel chip, they have better single core performance.