Meanwhile, back when everyone had in between the minimum and recommended specs or way better specs, complains that they can't run Vista.

@eupher2

4 жыл бұрын

@Platyken Same here. When Vista first launched I had a AMD Quad FX, with 4GB of ram and Vista ran just fine.

@user-xg8yy7yl1d

4 жыл бұрын

vista pre service pack was actually a bitch it suffered quite a bit from infamous windows registry rot. It was also in the prime of PC manufacturers loading their PCs with bloatware Im not even mad though. Without vista id never have learned to fix computer issues

@ibobeko4309

4 жыл бұрын

Windows Vista was a pain in the ass, i remember a friend of mine had a geforce fx5200, he installed fresh windows. After installing the drivers, he did get a Bluescreen. He fixed that issue, one day later Windows Update, crashed his system, we used restore point, fixed that also. And after installing the basic programs like Word, Antivirus and Nero the system become extremely sluggish. We thought in reinstalling windows without having Bluescreen and deactivating the Update which crashed the system, it gone be good, no same results. It was not only his system, mine system had also issues, my cousin system was a disaster, too many tiny issues. The biggest problem was sporadically working drivers. New printer, Windows Vista support installing everything, test print fine. Trying to print schoolwork, not working, my nephew printing some pokemons working fine.

@justanenderman9668

4 жыл бұрын

My computer runs Vista like a beast, it has 4 gigabytes of RAM. With the latest updates, it’s really stress-free.

@JessicaFEREM

3 жыл бұрын

Windows vista is just a product of innovation, by the time 7 was released, everyone got off of their bums and rewrote the drivers from scratch. Windows vista is pretty much the same as windows 7, kernel-wise, they changed the name and made it look a little different and tweaked a few things so they could re-market it after everyone went back to XP or stayed on XP because they heard vista wouldn't run on their slow (for vista) computers

"Family 6 Model 6 Stepping 5" is just the values of those particular flags as returned by the CPUID instruction. They pretty much just mean 'P6 Celeron', but I'm guessing that since the CPU is significantly older than the ones they'd expect a person with Vista to run, they don't have a mapping between those values and an actual CPU name in their database.

@RWL2012

4 жыл бұрын

I realised that *XP* has the widest range of CPU identifier names in the system properties, but that older Intel CPUs are named in a different way to their more "modern" ones, with "processor" instead of "CPU", no (R) and an "odd" clock speed for some models, for example Pentium I to III are like: Intel Pentium processor 74 MHz, Intel Pentium MMX processor 199 MHz, Intel Pentium II processor 334 MHz, Intel Pentium III processor 996 MHz... compared with Intel Pentium (R) 4 CPU 3.00 GHz or Intel (R) Core (TM) i3-4370 CPU @ 3.80 GHz

@ShenLong991

3 жыл бұрын

Later CPUs have more Flags and wider Flags and ships their own Name in a separate Flag.

@isoceptic

Жыл бұрын

🤓

I grew up with Windows Vista and I still like it. Also, are you going to try Windows 7 next?

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

I am currently looking into it!

@HardwareFahrrad

4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMJD I think it's gonna work, because Windows 7 is basically optimized Windows Vista and runs more smooth and faster

@Leonard_MT

4 жыл бұрын

HardwareFahrrad Not really I had faster performance on windows vista

@dollardealtech768

4 жыл бұрын

@@Leonard_MT Same

@amnottabs

4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMJD go for Windows 7 Thin PC or Embedded

School computers be like:

@Aviatiors08

4 жыл бұрын

This is what school computers are like: Windows 10 x86 on 20 year old hardware. They do it to slow down students learning so they get an f

@bongoman9578

4 жыл бұрын

@kozi barabonki we have windows 10 and 7 and they fast

@JJFlores197

4 жыл бұрын

I'm an IT tech at a school district and the student laptops are Chromebooks whereas the teacher laptops run Windows 10. The few remaining desktops in classrooms where also upgraded to W10, but it looks like they're rarely used. I graduated in late 2014 and it was quite a drastic change compared to when I was a student in that district.

@bongoman9578

4 жыл бұрын

@@JJFlores197 why Chromebooks?

@judenihal

4 жыл бұрын

Thank God I am no longer in school. They act like dictators when they run their computer system. What they didn't know is how in 2008, I cracked every single Active Directory password with my computer skills.

*MJD:* *First Video:* We're cloning Win98 to an USB-Drive to install other OS's on the PC and quickly swap them out. *Followup Video:* We find out, that we can't boot from USB at all and wipe the hard drive. That's the content we love :D

7:11 why do I like the way he said DVD drive

@SFSAtlas

3 жыл бұрын

He installed you

@Dr-Random

3 жыл бұрын

@@SFSAtlas that also works

@Dr-Random

Жыл бұрын

@@SFSAtlas im special me mum seys im spehhshull SEY IT

Very interesting! From my experience Windows 7 actually runs better on old computers than Vista does. Windows 7 will install and run on 512MB of RAM, but not great. I think a speed comparison between Vista and 7 on this computer would be interesting

@Josh.Davidson

2 жыл бұрын

Not really true, Vista is actually faster.

@CerealWithWater

Жыл бұрын

@@Josh.Davidson Nope, not true.

@Josh.Davidson

Жыл бұрын

It has been every time I tried it. The speed is about the same and in some cases Vista was quicker.

@jerrymcweston3510

Жыл бұрын

in my experience running vista and 7 in the same system, vista actually felt faster although I never did any scientific test.

The PLOP boot manager reminds me of the time I used it to install FreeBSD 4.x on an early Pentium system, in around 2000. The BIOS didn't support booting from CD, but it was possible to boot PLOP from a floppy disk first then tell it to boot from the CD. That saved me a huge amount of time.

That first boot screen brings back so many memories, when my Mom bought me my first computer back in the Summer of '09. It was an eMachines EL1200-07w, and when I hooked it all up and booted it up, that was the first thing I saw on screen, & that was the start of it all for me 12 years ago... My, how time flies.

I actually like vista. I bought a laptop running vista in 2007 which was full of bloatware making it very slow. however I reinstalled vista a few weeks later and it always ran really smoothly after that and I loved it. I think most of the hatred for vista stems from manufacturer installed bloatware and underpowered hardware.

Looks like a bad memory module. OOooooppppsssss! Michael, this reminded me of the early days of my tech career. I am thinking that the install didn't like the fat32/16 format for Win 98. I love these videos! Keep them coming. : = )

I installed windows 7 professional 32bit onto a desktop with 512MB Ram and it ran..... ok...... but in your case, idk how the CPU will like that

@compwiz878

4 жыл бұрын

Good question I tried xp on similar hardware and it wasn't pleasant hardly useable. Tried vista and it installed , was the shock and awe that got me when it actually ran vista and was useable at that. I have a video on my channel. It's called being mean to Windows Vista and a Pentium 2. Check it out .

@pawankirpaul932

4 жыл бұрын

I have 2gb of ram windows 7 professional and so slow

@pawankirpaul932

4 жыл бұрын

compwiz878 I can’t see the bvid

@Jakab95

4 жыл бұрын

I've installed Windows 8 Developer Preview on my Pentium III with 700 MHz and 512 MB RAM. The CPU did not like that :D But I've had a 128 MB VGA, so the screen resolution was beautiful.

@vadnegru

4 жыл бұрын

@@pawankirpaul932 try win 10 ltsc 32bit

As always, brilliant video. Keep up the great ideas and videos!

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

im actually amazed how he managed to sit through the entire setup while talking pretty much all the time. its rarely that i can ever sit through any setup and not talking in any meaning of the word

Awesome video,Michael!

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Just so you know, vista aero needs 128mb vram to even show up for selection but you can always force it on through the registry editor.

I'm getting giddy just watching this! Good work mate!

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@FSM_Reviews

4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelMJD No problem. :)

@beardsntools

4 ай бұрын

​@@FSM_ReviewsYou should remove one ram stick now that it's installed and see if it boots with 256mb..I bet it does.

@FSM_Reviews

4 ай бұрын

@@beardsntools Hey did you mean to tag @MichaelMJD in your reply?

@beardsntools

4 ай бұрын

@@FSM_Reviews Yeah.. i thought I did..

I love windows Vista and 7. The very first computer my dad bought was a prebuilt with vista pre-installed. At the time it was a beast of a computer, it has an Athlon 64 (x2 I think) cpu, 4GB of memory, a 500GB HDD, and some type of Nvidia graphics card. I used to play the games that came with it like ink ball and minesweeper. I kept that computer and upgraded it by installing a better graphics card, 500GB SSD, and dual booting Vista and Ubuntu. Unfortunately, everyone else in my family stopped using that computer years ago, and I can’t justify anymore upgrades, the motherboard doesn’t support any higher end CPU, more RAM, or NVMe drives, makes me sad but those are fond memories

Yes, please do some upgrades on this. A video card and the SSD you planned would definitely help. I'm guessing that's a socket-370? You could probably put a 550 or 733...

1 year aniversary of this video. such poggers. and oh, you have very young viewers, like me!

Even a slight CPU upgrade helps a lot to bump up the overall performance with that Vista setup you've got here, combined with fluently working graphics adapter drivers.

Dude, awesome video. Now get the graphics drivers installed from gateway restore disc, and download Firefox and Steam! I want to see how the modern web will perform on this. And it'd also be cool to see steam running on a Windows 98 era hardware!

For future videos on older systems that don't support USB booting try getting a Zalman ZM-VE350 it's an external enclosure that has an optical disc mode which works like a virtual ODD at the boot stage.

Let's see those upgrades! That would be awesome

@UniblueTechX555

4 жыл бұрын

It'll probably take a Pentium 3 if I'm not wrong

A very interesting video indeed. One thing that amazed me is that Vista was able to work with that ancient chipset, especially the graphics driver. But it leaves me wondering how this comp would perform on the internet with such limitations like processor speed? Would it just come to a stuttering halt?

re the drivers... Vista has that amazing driver tool that windows ME had, where it can make you up a working driver with files from any version of driver ever as long as the filenames all match what its asking for

@ Michael MJD That motherboard can easily handle a Pentium 3, which are dead cheap on Ebay and Amazon. A P3 800mhz would work great!

I really like this video! Keep them coming. : = )

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I love old stuff. I installed windows 7 on a machine from 1999 and it actually ran ok, besides for the drivers lol

You can upgrade the processor too Right? So it matches with the system requirements

Great video Michael, could you install the Nvidia display driver to improve system performance? Will you be trying Windows 7 next on the Windows 98 machine :D

@prathameshlotake1318

3 жыл бұрын

If you have nvdia gpu

I’m not sure if you have done a video featuring to install Windows server 4.0, that would be good to see.

That low color mode setup screen reminds me of the old Solo cup design.

Reminds me of the time I ran Windows Vista on my Pentium II 400 MHz Compaq. That was a fun video.

How did you split the Vista ISO over to multiple CDs?

I had an Essential 400c, and if I remember correctly, it'll support Katmai, Coppermine, and Coppermine T CPUs (but not Tualatin).

7:01. Hey! I have that same mousepad! Got it from my parent's workplace a while back.

22:10 You could've clicked Device Manager in collum Tasks

8:39 looks better than original vista setup background

For another video, could you maybe try to install/run in livemode the latest possible version of Ubuntu to see how it runs?

I miss IDE drives lol! The cables started getting fancy colors in the late 00's!

If u go into windows experience index, and print report, atleast in windows 7, it will open a text file with really simple and detailed overview of the hardware, I remember I found that to be an easy way to see all details)

I had to use PLOP a few weeks ago on my old laptop. When I cold booted to the CD, it would freeze when I click USB. But if I booted went into BIOS and just did a save and quit and had it reboot and then boot into CD it would work.

@easybee0

3 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Chertoff It's a boot manager that allows you to boot from usb on machines that don't support usb boot

Back in 2012, I had a Windows 98 system that I wanted to upgrade to Vista(even though XP ran horribly).

MJD can you upgrade the pc with a new graphics card?

Where did you get the iso that you split into parts, and how did you split it into parts?

Nice experiment, did you try with a ssd? The Vista experience

@AlejandroRodolfoMendez

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot to add that you need a pci sata host card

Here I am, thinking that installing Vista and 7 on my 733 MHz Pentium III was interesting. I have this same exact computer, except it's the 400 MHz model. I'm going to have to try this.

Is the PC a Slot 1 or a Socket 370? Depending on the mobo, you can get 1GHz+ Pentium 3

If there is an XP driver for the graphics, you can force install those for better performance and resolution changing Michael

@HrutkayMods

4 жыл бұрын

Also if it's a Slot 1 system, you can install a Slocket and put a 1GHz+ PIII in it... also Win 7 real life min specs are the same a vista

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have to verify what chipset the motherboard is using but I am looking into a CPU upgrade currently!

Have you tried CloudReady? It's basically just ChromiumOS, but easier to install. Also, there's a cool transformation pack I saw the other day called Windows Vienna, for Windows Vista. Thanks!

Nice Monorail keyboard you have there.

I remember my friends PC having 256MB of ram, and I thought that was major overkill. Mine only had 160MB at the time. It originally came with 64MB of ram. (I bought a 128MB stick, and had 128MB+32MB in it) PC was AMD K6 366mhz (might of been 333mhz).

@nbain66

4 жыл бұрын

Your original 64mb, 333mhz machine had the exact same specs as a psp3000.

That background music is Jobby The Hong approved!

I got this exact Gateway PC model running windows 98 via UBCD. It's rocking a Voodoo 3 2000, Sound Blaster Pro Live, SSD, and a 350 sfx PSU (when I thought it was going to be converted to a sleeper build).

You should make a video trying to run different versions of windows with a pc meeting only the minimum system requirements

2:27 Nobody noticed the Monorail keyboard.

MJD videos are better than therapy

Why don't you try to install the XP drivers for the graphics card? It might work in the compatibility mode.

The processor being recognised as x86 Family 6 Model 6 Stepping 5 indeed means it is an Intel P6 architecture processor by Family 6, a Celeron processor of the Mendocino release by Model 6, and a 433 MHz variant by Stepping 5. This CPU information is obtained via the CPUID instruction built within the CPU, and since Windows Vista has a minimum requirement of an 800 MHz processor, it is possible that Windows Vista did not include the translation from raw CPUID to marketing name for a processor that it did not intend to run on.

I don't know if this will make sense, but seeing the motherboard exposed like that made me suddenly remember the "computer smell," characteristic of 90s to early 2000's computers. I can't exactly describe it but it's a kind of mix between a kind of plastic smell, which was probably from the wires and data cables and a kind of sharp metallic scent which probably emanated from the motherboard and peripheral cards and their components. That smell isn't as potent with newer computers for some reason.

I put windows 7 on a similar spec'd pc a while back. I got the graphics drivers to install with compatibility mode but it wasn't having the aero effects either so i stuck with classic mode for best performance. The pc had 833 mhz if i remember right and i did the same as you maxing out sdram at 512mb.

Once I tried to install Win7 on my Celeron M 1.73Ghz and 2gb RAM laptop, which had 128mb Sillicon Integrated Systems (SiS) Mirage 3 Graphics (integrated, dedicated, I don't remember). Needless to say, it was a freeze party, I had to disable Aero asap when the installation finished to avoid that (it kept freezing anyway, but less).

'Family 6 Model 6 Stepping 5' is simply the CPUID the processor gave to the OS, and Windows NT-based OSes will use that in place of the processor name if the processor doesn't support CPU model string (only supported on Pentium III and later for Intel and AMD K5 or later for AMD)

Hey man can you try instal a ssd into the 5$ pc and test it with windows vista or 7?

I remember one replacing one file on Windows Vista installation media, that allowed me to install it with less than 512MB. I was a masochist 12 years ago,, and mained a Compaq DeskPro (256MB, Pentium III) with Vista.

@xldkxnewyorker8914

2 жыл бұрын

As a fellow masochist, I remember playing Minecraft 1.2.5 on like a 700'ish Mhz Celeron w/GF2 MX400 and a 768MB RAM with some performance mods... Got it off the side of the road I don't miss those days... Think I was running TinyXP

Have you managed to install the videodriver?

RU: Теперь попробуйте Windows Longhorn на $5 ПК с Windows 98 EN: Now try installing Windows Longhorn on the $5 Windows 98 PC

@justanenderman9668

4 жыл бұрын

Mace Cail that’s really hard to do (get a legit longhorn copy)

@Bagel_Le_Stinky

3 жыл бұрын

Longhorn is before vista, it would be easier

@mechanicalmacbook

3 жыл бұрын

he has a longhorn ISO so it would probably be easy

I installed Windows Vista on a vintage laptop. I got it for my birthday because i always wanted a laptop to test things out with it. And it works perfectly fine! It didn't crash, its really stable, didn't lag, I loved it!

@PurblePink8678

2 жыл бұрын

Windows Vista will keep getting Better and Better

you can install windows 7 on a pentium 2 with an fx 5500 and have aero working. I've done that, well, I actully installed it using a p3 and then swapped a p2 into it to see if it would work and it did to my surprise. the configuration I used was: intel 440BX motherboard 768mb sdram pentium 3 733 / pentium 2 450 geforce fx 5500 AGP

@prodbydanai

2 жыл бұрын

How? That's ludicrously amazing!

18:58 look at windows logo it cant display the ® its just a small white square

i have the same gateway pc and it still works. i just bought my wife a new gateway laptop and its solid i love gateway.

I now have my Dell Precision m4500 configured to dual boot Windows 10 and Windows Vista. To me, I think Windows Vista has the best looking interface

get into Performance Manager and select 'For Performance' instead of 'Let Windows Decide'... should reduce the load?

Good rule of thumb in that era: 256mb per slot. (440BX supports 1GB, and with four-slot systems, Win98 will usually not have the 512mb limit.) But they can be very fussy about single-sided vs double-sided (that's an electrical thing, not a literal chips thing, tho often contiguous). That's probably what's going on with the stick it didn't recognize properly. 512mb SDRAM exists, but is very rarely seen. You can probably upgrade the CPU to P3-550MHz without problems, but if you're lucky it might support 600MHz or even faster. I have its twin in my basement and it has a P3-800MHz CPU. Wait, it's a Celeron? that's probably running with a 66MHz bus. Swapping it out for a P3 will up that to 100MHz or even 133MHz. (You'll need PC100 or PC133 RAM to take advantage of that, but it'll double performance. 256mb sticks are all PC100 or PC133.) If it's Slot1, CPUs faster than 550MHz are tough to find, but if it's Socket370, it may support a good deal faster. I enjoy maxing out hardware on these old systems... amazing what they can do when they're upgraded to their best possible specs.

Regarding the conflict between Vista and 9x on the HDD, can you have your partitions formatted in different file sytems? Maybe NTFS has problems with FAT32. Or maybe is just WINNT which doesn't like DOS-based 9x versions.

@ikemkrueger

9 ай бұрын

I think the installer can't find the files for Windows Vista because it is looking on "C:" where Windows 98 is installed.

Also wouldn't mind seeing you use vlite and doing a slipstreamed install to get the footprint of the OS down to something more usable. I managed to get it down to about 140mb ram with no apps open back in the day.

Hardware upgrade special? OHHHHH YEEEES

If you use a Classic graphic, the conputer can run smoothly.

I had a Gateway GP7-500 (P3 500MHz naturally) back when I started middle school and it only "officially" supported 384MB of RAM, but I used it with 768MB just fine (3 sticks of 256MB of course). I'd love to get another one in good shape, but boy oh boy is it not worth it.

I Remember doing this back in the day with a super old demon of a pentium 3, 768 mb's of ram and actually being able to use it if I did everything one at a time. Back when you could still get on the web with a pentium 3 with ease as well.

The Processor String in the System Dialog shown is the fallback i dont find the correct OEM Name in my DB nor in the cpu-integrated Infos, instead i just show the reported CPU-Family-, CPU-Model-, and CPU-"Stepping"-ID from the CPU. If you boot into Linux and look into the file /proc/cpuinfo, you find the same Numbers.

I think that Windows Longhorn will be interesting to install on the 5 dollar 98 PC.

Other ppl: 32GB RAM IS NOT ENOUGH!! Mjd: YEAH! WE GOT 512MB

@NR20244

Жыл бұрын

512MB was a lot back in the day and 32GB of RAM is enough. 16GB is the minimum RAM that’s actually decent to this day

x86 family 6 model 6 stepping 5 is the CPUID that Intel assigned to that processor. Family 6 describes that it is a mainstream consumer chip based on the 686 architecture, model 6 means that it's P6 based CPU that ran from 1995 until 2000 and stepping 5 is the version of the processor in the model lineup. If you had a Sandy Bridge based processor it has a possibility of being displayed as x86 family 6 model 42 stepping X(whatever the version of the processor you have). Now if you have a 80486DX2 it would display as x86 family 4 model 3 stepping X(whatever version of the processor you have).

I suspect this PC doesn't have onboard SATA but you can probably buy a cheap PCI SATA card on eBay, connect a modern SSD, then boot Vista from that. Though you'll probably need to add the drivers from floppy in the initial Setup. The cards were often called RAID cards but you can disable the RAID part. From memory the Promise FastTrack 378 card works well. Also there should be Vista drivers for the onboard video. There might even be Windows 7 drivers for it. Given the system requirements for Windows 7 aren't much different to Vista it's worth trying to install that on it. Though you'll probably need to connect a DVD drive temporarily. Also the Windows 7 setup might complain about the 433 MHz CPU! Have fun :)

I’d love to see that PC run Windows 7. I’m pretty sure it’s possible to do, too.

512 comments (before me) Great video! You should try Windows 2000 (Korean). You can find the ISO in WinWorldPC.

I had 2 computers with windows vista didn't like the first laptop I got and returned that for an HP slimline. The Slimline worked a lot better than the laptop did. I have contemplated getting a slim line with windows 10 to see how well that runs.

I had the same issue when 8 was trying to duel boot windows Vista and then when I just installed Vista only to it it totally worked I think Vista doesn't support duel booting ?

Michael: I'll Install a very heavy and demanding version of Windows on hardware that does not meet the minimum required specs let alone was actually designed to run it. Positivo Computadores in the 1990's, 2000's, 2010's and 2020's: Hold my RAM.

I love the bobblehead!

ide to msata adapter with an msata SSD. I did this for my windows 98 PC and it's really fast. I needed to get a 2.5 to 3.5 ide adapter, because the ide to msata adapters only seem to come in laptop size. I really like the GoldenFir SSDs from Aliexpress. If you search enough, you can pick up 60GB drives for ~$11 and the adapters are ~$4

i would love to see if something like geforce fx5200 or something similar would boost the responsiveness of the os on this computer. i remember that there was huge jump in the responsiveness, on my old amd duron 1.2ghz system with 512mb of ram. if i turned the aero theme and the transparency effect on in that system. reason for that is that, without the aero theme, the ui is run with the cpu, but with aero transparency effect the ui is run with your gpu. so if your cpu (like that celeron 433mhz) is way under the recommended 800mhz limit, then offloading the ui to your gpu really can boost the performance and feel of the system.

I think this computer is a Perfect Windows XP PC but nothing above. But nice experiment and thank you for the video :) ah and by the way my old PC back in time runns also with 2x512 MB SD RAM :D

Amazing video new sub coming in

@MichaelMJD

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subscribing!

Good knowledge and work. Sinceres salutations to hansome US man from Morroco.

The 1st time i used a pc was win7 and then win10 but it was real slow are you gonna do win 8?

I recently made a vista virtual machine. It took a lot of time and internet searches to make the aero theme run. I have to run videos on media center as media player does not work. I could also use vlc.

I'm no expert, but I bet that those graphical glitches are because it most likely uses different drivers in different portions of the setup