Installing the Router table in the MFT Workbench. Plus a Cheap Tool Rant!

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  • @lawman1965
    @lawman19653 жыл бұрын

    Just watched your rant. Ive got to say you're bang on the nail. Ive just begun woodworking and frankly, I suck! But thats because I'm a beginner. I have very rapidly noticed that cheaper tools are a false economy. I bought a Scheppach Track Saw and soon discovered how inaccurate it was. I changed the splinter guard to Makita but still wasn't happy with the tool, it was hard to push on the track, hard to plunge, inaccurate.....even as a newbie I wasn't happy. So, I splurged out on a Festool, I can afford it so why not. And the difference is staggering. My ability limits the Festool whereas the Scheppach limited my ability. Ive also swapped router table from Triton to Trend, bought a new T11EK router and realised that I made an expensive mistake going cheap when I could have spent a little more on Enthusiast tools. Ive ended up spending twice. I was so tempted to buy an Incra router table set up but they're not in stock.....and space is at a premium.

  • @jjcbassguitars2114
    @jjcbassguitars21143 жыл бұрын

    A good tool will outlive the memory of the cost.

  • @JFKreations

    @JFKreations

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is a brilliant philosophy on tools. I think I’m going to steal that next time I’m debating on “should I spend that much on...”

  • @MichaelAlderete

    @MichaelAlderete

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or, as others say, buy once, cry once.

  • @PaulSmith-zs5je
    @PaulSmith-zs5je22 күн бұрын

    Enjoying your videos. My suggestion would be not to cut the edge of your bench and instead drill a hole up and through the table top and support so you can push out the sacrificial strip from underneath with some dowel.

  • @jonathanbell8940
    @jonathanbell89403 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to seeing how you're going to wire it up and your first projects on it! Looking great so far.

  • @ElliotNesterman
    @ElliotNesterman3 жыл бұрын

    Another way to install t-track, if you can't or don't want to route a groove through to the edge of the table, is to have the track end at a bore made with a forstner bit large enough for the bolt head to drop into. Another way is to grind flats and radiuses into the bolt head so it can be dropped into the track and then given a quarter turn to lock it.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome work, John! Really nice! 😃 The table is getting better and better! Happy holidays! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @ddzimm89
    @ddzimm893 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying the videos, John. A very enviable workshop you've built yourself! Greetings from Canada

  • @timfoster6892
    @timfoster68923 жыл бұрын

    Well thought out! Well done and enjoy using it!

  • @kelvinpankhurst9379
    @kelvinpankhurst93793 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, I have also made the mistake with cheap tools, learnt my lesson, I made a similar router table about a year ago and the only change i have made after using it for a while was to change the long T track to 19mm so my Angle gauge/Protractor from my saw bench and bandsaw can be used, Have a great Xmas and a prosperous New year. Regards Kelvin.

  • @seanduane8219
    @seanduane82193 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, enjoying all your videos, only recently got into woodwork myself started with raised garden beds and some basic work and seating benches just before the covid pandemic. I had to stop this video in mid way and comment on what you said about your grandfather saying to buy once and buy good. I am 50 years old now so my grandfather who gave me the same advice has long since passed away and his words in relation to tools were "buy the expensive ones and look after them". Sorry to be boring but your words brought back memories of my proud grandfather. Keep up the good work I have only recently subscribed to your you tube channel and find you to be very interesting and easy to follow. Keep up the good work, looking forward to many more videos.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Sean, your grandfather was right!

  • @Meathmanbellews
    @Meathmanbellews3 жыл бұрын

    Great video as usual John 👌. I'll be interested to see how you bring power to the bench. If you were bringing it down from overhead with a retractable cable it might be an idea to have multiple input points on the bench so you can vary it to keep out of your way. Either way you have a super setup there 👏

  • @jerrystark3587
    @jerrystark35873 жыл бұрын

    You are spot on about buying good tools versus buying cheap tools. I've done both and I never regretted buying good tools; I always regretted buying cheap tools. Further, you have to learn the difference between cheap and good before you can find less expensive good tools -- buying them is also a good practice. ... Buy a good tool and you only cry once when you pay for it; buy a cheap tool and you will cry (and curse) every time you use it and again when you pay to replace it. Thanks! P.S. If you drill through-holes at the end of the router fence T-track slots, then you will have no sawdust build-up at the ends of the tracks.

  • @johncooper8686
    @johncooper86863 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always John - I built an outfeed / assembly table during lockdown - think I will look at mounting a router in it - maybe use a scissor jack as router lift (looks crude but easy and precise adjustments) I’ll be interested in your track saw use in comparison to a traditional table saw.

  • @davebedford5659
    @davebedford56593 жыл бұрын

    Another excellent tutorial John. Looking forward to making my MFT table and router table. My moto is buy cheap buy twice, my dad told me many years ago, buy the best and cry only once.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Dave

  • @allthegear-noidea1264
    @allthegear-noidea12643 жыл бұрын

    Good going John, workshop is coming on nicely! You're tracking about the same speed as I am with mine, maybe just ahead so I'm stealing lots of ideas. So if you could hurry with the rest of the build that'll help me 😜

  • @Russel4973
    @Russel49732 жыл бұрын

    Wow, a great vid. That top is super useful. Multiple uses. Should serve you for years.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it

  • @JFKreations
    @JFKreations3 жыл бұрын

    The false economy of cheap tools. Sounds like a title for a good book. Well put John. Never heard it said that way, I think that really sums it all up. I’ve been reevaluating my position on this lately too. There is definitely a time and place for cheap tools, but there also comes a time when you have to move on from that. Well done.

  • @cwadub
    @cwadub3 жыл бұрын

    Oh nice idea with the sacrificial insert for the track saw!

  • @Annaisineire
    @Annaisineire3 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant work John !!!

  • @JustTony72
    @JustTony72 Жыл бұрын

    I can't remember who said this. "The hobbyist will probably benefit more from good tools because a pro spends his days honing his skills and can get the most out of every tool. Whereas the good tool gets the most out of their user. "

  • @alancroft6928
    @alancroft69282 жыл бұрын

    Love the rant. It is also very true what you are saying about good tools.

  • @PaulSmith-rd8yc
    @PaulSmith-rd8yc3 жыл бұрын

    John it sounds awesome I’m just gutted I can’t see it enter as we’ve gone into lockdown number four won’t be going to Axminster until the New Year but I think buying the gym kit would be way out of my budget but hopefully there is someone in Kent who’s got one could make me a top as it sounds pretty awesome. But I would definitely think about putting a dust extractor kit permanently on it specially for multiple using even to Hoover the shop up as well. As if you had it come from the ceiling to connect to it when you’re losing a lot of suction to you got I have it in the same area roughly to connect it to every time. But can’t wait to hear the next part of the build

  • @agdtec
    @agdtec2 жыл бұрын

    For my dewalt router I was able to buy metric and imperial collets to supplement the one that came with the router, from 3rd party suppliers. 6-12 mm set is available.

  • @chriswindberg5010
    @chriswindberg50103 жыл бұрын

    I swear every new video you put out, I become more and more jealous of your shop, tools, and capabilities. Thats ok though, I'll live vicariously through you! Keep up the awesome content.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris, all this was 20 years in the making, so bit by bit.

  • @chriswindberg5010

    @chriswindberg5010

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed been meaning to ask you, what type of electrical work do you do? Like myself, I'm mostly commercial work in Chicago, specializing in building automation and temperature control but I've done a little of everything.

  • @mrnobelnigel
    @mrnobelnigel3 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed the video John. Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @hb4519
    @hb45193 жыл бұрын

    Great job, this came at a great time for me, have just installed a router plate in my DIY table and about to rout in the tracks. One question, have you considered adding another wider slot for a 3/4" track so you can use a mitre gauge?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Didn't think about it but you have put the idea in my head. I will look into to it

  • @normanboyes4983
    @normanboyes49833 жыл бұрын

    John - looks absolutely fantastic.👍 A couple or more comments 😉 1. You may need another sacrificial strip nearer the end of the MFT (non router end). 2. Agree with your cheap tool philosophy in principle however may I suggest you used the wrong example. If the cheap router spindle was ‘wandering slightly’ the effect is essentially eccentricity and it would have cut the slot wider than the cutter diameter. I do not know why it was a ‘tight’ fit but it was either the bit was undersized (for the supplied rail or vice versa) or MDF compresses and springs back and needs a finishing cut. 3. Dust extraction on most routers at most price points is a real challenge and some cuts present a fundamental challenge. 4. So called quality higher price tools are not always as bullet proof as you would hope for. This is particularly so for hand power tools. AVE is a good channel for exposing some of the assumptions on Price/Brand/ Perceived Quality. Anyhoo - cracking job John,😀👍

  • @tonyw8529
    @tonyw85293 жыл бұрын

    I agree with your comments on cheap tools, while I am also a hobby woodworker I always buy the best I can afford my dad said something similar to you “buy cheap buy twice” so while they are expensive you get what you pay for

  • @stevensrspcplusmc
    @stevensrspcplusmc3 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel 👍😊like your shop as well ,looks cozy

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoy it!

  • @billofalltrades1468
    @billofalltrades14683 жыл бұрын

    Well done!

  • @jackschmidt1211
    @jackschmidt1211 Жыл бұрын

    John, love the video. I just purchased the Parf Mk II and am ready to get busy. I'm curious about the MDF product which you used for your worktop. It has a different type of core. Could you let me know about this product?

  • @debscaboodle
    @debscaboodle6 күн бұрын

    Plenty of hobbyists for other trades in the US. Auto mechanics is one such example.

  • @nigelboucher2014
    @nigelboucher20143 жыл бұрын

    Always been a Makita Man. Sometimes Dewalt or Bosch and lately Milwaukee. When I go to the local B&Q I always wander around the tool area. Never buy anything but cringe like mad when I see people picking up cheap tools. I have to bite my lip. Like you with the router many years ago I bought a Draper table saw and it was a disaster.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    It never works out

  • @stevereddin3607
    @stevereddin36075 ай бұрын

    omg this guy love his own voice.

  • @TerryBabij
    @TerryBabij3 жыл бұрын

    Nice bit of kit. I built the Veritas router table decades ago, nowhere near the ease of use. Doubt I will upgrade. With regards to your rant. I like the mantra, you only cry once. I still have and love my Bosch 1613EVS router, has to be over twenty years old.

  • @markwilkes-qj5hd
    @markwilkes-qj5hd2 ай бұрын

    Hi John, I don't know if you read comments of videos that are so old but what the heck you either do or you don't. I'm new to trying my hand at more involved woodwork and I'm trying to sort myself a workshop in an old Methodist chapel. At the end of this video when you put back the edge board, why did you cut the slot by hand rather than use your router? I've got a lot of videos to watch, seeing how your workshop has developed over the years. Excellent work!

  • @johnfithian-franks8276
    @johnfithian-franks82763 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, I have four routers all of them are Dewalt 1 ¼ hp and although I will not buy Dewalt now because the quality is just not there, when I bought the routers they were very good quality and I have no problems with them. I bought a small trim router from ALDI, I was not expecting much it has become my favourite router, and although it is only ¾ hp I have never been able to stall it and it always cuts well and straight. If I were to buy a router today, it would be a Makita or Bosch because they seem to be good and even if I won the lottery, I still would not buy a Festool on principle.

  • @anthonylorbach9365
    @anthonylorbach93653 жыл бұрын

    I think I would paint the sacrificial strip just so I could easily spot it when setting up a cut.

  • @paultay23
    @paultay233 жыл бұрын

    Nice one John, that is going to be one hell of a bench to work on when its complete... Merry Xmas and HNY

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Happy Christmas to you

  • @allEs0nE
    @allEs0nE2 жыл бұрын

    Dear John, at 27:26 when you show the router lift closeup from below, it appears that the router actually twists a fraction in the middle, and when it reaches the top. If that is so, it implies that the router bit is not going straight up from the router table. Is there any chance you could verify this? Thanks.

  • @johnfithian-franks8276
    @johnfithian-franks82763 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, having seen some of the jobs that people do with electrics I think it is a trade that should be regulated, here in the UK we do have hobbyist electricians and they sometimes make a mess of things. I have built complete houses including all the trades from making plans for councils to approve, digging trenches up to putting on roofs, the only trade I will not tough is gas, it is just too dangerous to mess around with, but when it comes to electrics I always get a registered electrician to check my work before I let anyone near it. I hope you and your family have a great Christmas and hopefully an even better New Year

  • @juanmendoza7487
    @juanmendoza74873 жыл бұрын

    Well said! Buy the top of the line tools...👍🏼

  • @keithfrost1190
    @keithfrost11903 жыл бұрын

    My Grandfather had two sayings about cost. 1. If you buy cheap you pay twice. 2. If you can't afford the best, save up until you can.

  • @TheAlogoc
    @TheAlogoc Жыл бұрын

    Do you have underside dust extraction port?

  • @danbryce4203
    @danbryce42033 жыл бұрын

    Cheap tool rant was very true, buy once cry once! I'm woodworking in a metal shed the same as yourself, mine is considerably smaller though, having trouble with mould growth from the damp this time of year, is there anything you apply to your wooden benches etc to stop this?

  • @alans1816
    @alans18163 жыл бұрын

    Your point about good tools is important. That German router setup looks fantastic, and after your recommendation for Knipex, my set of pliers is clearly better than what I had. But there's a counterpoint. Good new tools cost. Many of the older tools are also good, and just require some care. For example, an old Stanley plane can work just as well as a Lie-Nielsen, though it will take more time to get it there and it will never look as good. For a hobbyist this can be a good exchange. And you can't identify a good tool by the price. Many formerly proud companies made short-term profits by selling tool-shaped objects at prices above their value. Lastly, tools are bought for a purpose. Some cheap tools are not good enough for some uses, but might be acceptable for others. In some cases, that can make them worthwhile. Though I can't see an excuse for that cheap router.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cheap tools and good value tools are not the same thing. There are bargains to be had.

  • @njbaquatics4827
    @njbaquatics48272 жыл бұрын

    Completely agree with you when it comes to tools. But having said that there are some good quality hobby grade pieces of equipment out there. The Axminster hobby ranges extremely good Bosch do their DIY range the green stuff that router is actually quite a good one from Bosch as is the belt sander. And also most of the Ryobi stuff is very good. But you’re absolutely correct even know what I’ve just mentioned is good for the hobbyist they are not Tradesmans tools

  • @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts
    @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts Жыл бұрын

    Hi John, Really enjoy your channel. Would it be possible to have list of items required for router table build on the MFT table end where they can be sourced ?

  • @barryreid2467
    @barryreid24673 жыл бұрын

    i agree totally John about cheap tools, if you cant afford good tools then just save up for them, you dont have to get them all at the one time

  • @philipsawyers719
    @philipsawyers7193 жыл бұрын

    Agreed about quality tools knipex and wera for hand tools are awesome.

  • @georgecoffman377
    @georgecoffman3773 жыл бұрын

    Enjoying your videos .

  • @donalfalvey145
    @donalfalvey1452 жыл бұрын

    Another excellent video John. have you ever looked at a spindle moulder? The cost of the all the Sauter components is @€1200 and they look great quality. However, Axminster do a (albeit) craft spindle moulder for similar money. Would you ever look at one of those?

  • @skogsmats
    @skogsmats3 жыл бұрын

    Good work.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @ilanreich2284
    @ilanreich22842 жыл бұрын

    John hi, I love your channel, quick question, did you give any thought to a dust collection box under the work bench and will the router handle allow it?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have thought about, just haven't got around to it. It would be possible with doors on the front so you have easy access to the handle for bit changes

  • @ssmith954
    @ssmith9543 жыл бұрын

    This is brilliant! I'm in the process of putting together a router table and finding this has been a huge help. I'll be ordering a Sauter lift, which really looks like high quality kit. I was going to order a dedicated table top but the process of making your own looks fairly simple as you demonstrated, and I think I now have the confidence to go get some MDF and tracks, and give it a go! Also appreciated the info on the NVR switch too, and agree entirely on the comments on tools! Quick question: is it a good idea to treat the MDF with anything? Wax or poly varnish? Or do you just leave it raw? Go raibh maith agat!

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was useful

  • @philipb867
    @philipb8673 жыл бұрын

    I had a look at the Sautr shop however they don't appear to have the most competitive of prices as far as I could see.

  • @dubheasani9354
    @dubheasani93542 жыл бұрын

    Where did you get the t tracks? I have been having a hard time finding t tracks outside of Axminster. Love your videos!

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    2 жыл бұрын

    Got them from Sautershop

  • @rentregagnant
    @rentregagnant3 жыл бұрын

    So true, John! So true...

  • @myfaceback100
    @myfaceback1003 жыл бұрын

    great video I fully agree with the buy once so buy good. I just have a small question if you would not mind I was thinking of using the Neutrik NAC3MX-W-TOP PowerCON as a DIY cable replacement My plan was to basically cut the cord on all my tools and add the female connector and make up a few power leads with the male connectors to have them like the Festool plug it design would you think this would be ok to do the connectors are rated for 16a

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that will work, just leave the male end on the tool otherwise you will have live exposed pins on the lead if its plugged in and not connected the tool. Male sockets are know as appliance inlet sockets they are used for this reason.

  • @myfaceback100

    @myfaceback100

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed Thanks john for the advice

  • @jlmfoy365

    @jlmfoy365

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@myfaceback100 this has nothing to do with me but be careful you may void any warranty from the manufacturer. Regards Jim

  • @myfaceback100

    @myfaceback100

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jlmfoy365 at the age of some of them i think they would be called vintage. but your are 100% right if they were new or still in warranty I would not recommend it.

  • @peterwilliams6188
    @peterwilliams61883 жыл бұрын

    Great video John. May I ask a couple of questions please? What are the dimensions of your MDF work surface? Also, I am going to build my own this holiday period, I’d like to add a router to my bench, but I’ve already bought a sheet of 18mm HDF. You used 1 inch thick MDF, will the Sauter top fit into 18mm or do I need thicker material? Thank you, Peter

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Peter I used a full mdf sheet for the work surface, so it's 1220mmx2440mm. The Sauter lift will fit in 18mm but make sure you build in supports the sheet will get quite thin and could flex.

  • @peterwilliams6188

    @peterwilliams6188

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed thank you

  • @aspex100
    @aspex1003 жыл бұрын

    Maybe a possible word of advice, as crappy as that router seems I would say that doing that depth of cut with any 1/4" in one pass would give you unsatisfactory results on any router.It would have most likely provided a better result had you done the cut in 2/3 passes. Sauter lift looks great and so do the videos, thumbs up! P.S I have a similar saying - "Buy Cheap,Buy Twice".

  • @eideticgoone7035

    @eideticgoone7035

    2 жыл бұрын

    Perhaps I am unqualified to say, but I agree with your advice. In addition to the strength of the 1/4" shaft, A two flute bit straight bit already may have difficulty clearing waste. A spiral upcut bit would be able to eject waste out the top. Much better. I can imagine the side forces encountered when having to skip over waste in order to move forward. This alone might be the cause of the varying width of cut. In the video, the forward motion is jerky, indicating the router is encountering variable resistance. The MDF is consistent, so this variable resistance must come from something else, possibly the operator, but most likely waste being caught between the blades and the uncut material. There are various approaches to overcoming this. One as you say is to take multiple passes. Another is to clear some of the path first with a smaller bit, or circular saw. Slowing down would also help.

  • @Sheldondijon
    @Sheldondijon3 жыл бұрын

    The sucky part of buying good tools is when you have nothing like me. I just moved out and am slowly building up my shop collection now. And I need a lot of tools right now. So it adds up. But hopefully I can upgrade and maybe sell some old things

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bit by bit you will be surprised what you can get done with a few tools

  • @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts
    @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts Жыл бұрын

    Hi John, What portion of the table did you allot for the router table section? Regards, Paul

  • @recloakedworkshop
    @recloakedworkshop3 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos John and your honesty. Quick question, if your t-track router bit was an 8mm shank, why didn’t you use the one you were getting into the lift rather than the crap one?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Suater router can only be used mounted in a lift or on a cnc

  • @recloakedworkshop

    @recloakedworkshop

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed I knew there would be a sensible reason! All the best John and have a safe Christmas. Looking forward to following your content in the new year.

  • @anthonyriganti3246
    @anthonyriganti3246 Жыл бұрын

    Does it matter which side of the router I place my fence?

  • @MrTsmith13
    @MrTsmith133 жыл бұрын

    What stops the track saw track moving around I have seen a few videos on KZread with track saws and can't see any way of clamping them down

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    They have rubber strips underneath that stop them moving and they have T slots so you can use clamps with them.

  • @michaellionart4841
    @michaellionart48413 жыл бұрын

    Wow. That’s a top notch piece of kit and set up. What are you plans for the previous router table build. Do you think the Triton is decent enough as I’m about to copy that build

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    The triton works well, the original router table did a lot for me.

  • @michaellionart4841

    @michaellionart4841

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed champion thank you

  • @davewilco822
    @davewilco8223 жыл бұрын

    there is a difference between reasonably priced tools over the silly priced, Festools were not around years ago and they made better stuff in those days. I understand what you are saying BUT no one needs Festools or some £400 low angled plane. Yer, of course, they are nice but the same does not apply. A Bosh will serve me great for years if I look after it and it's accurate. I have 3 cordless old blue Ryobi drills that are all still going strong, (batteries replaced) I am looking for a new driver-drill as times change but the point is I never needed top of the range, besides I live in Liverpool and the moment I filled my van with Festool's it would be stolen or I would drop the drill from a ladder and the lifetime warranty would be mute. Nothing wrong at all with a second-hand Stanley plane I even have an old beach fore plane 22 inches long and I love it. I do understand and agree with the principles of your video but it should be pointed out that, top of the-line in hand tools are not needed, they are that expensive because the market is there just like you pointed out for the woodworkers. We all know that the low angled planes are overpriced. and what about the GRR Gripper push block the full kit is nearly £300 quid! Everyone says but its for safety your fingers are worth it. Yes, we know they are but that does not mean we are not getting ripped off just that we are willing to pay out because there is nothing else like it. Micro jig is laughing all the way to the bank and laughing at us while they shout "finger safety dude" If companies were so concerned they would charge reasonable prices and we could all enjoy the safety features. One polish guy yesterday stated in comments that the Grr Gripper basic was half the price he paid for his bench saw, sod buying it he will make his own. There are balances and we just need to understand the right level for ourselves. I learned long, long ago not to buy cheap but I won't buy silly either.

  • @darrellbarricklow2385
    @darrellbarricklow23853 жыл бұрын

    I know it's totally unrelated and I'm not trying to pick a fight LOL, because believe me, no one hates inches more than me and I certainly would much rather be using metric when it comes to wood. But over here in the US everything is in inches. So, I have a question for you. Nearly everything on your top is in metric and you use those measurements throughout, I get that. However, when it came to the edging and bracing you referred to them as 2 by 4 or 4 by 2. Why the switch-over to imperial measurements for those pieces? Is that typical in places using metric? BTW, love your MFT top. I'm planning on using a lot of what you've done to make my set-up.

  • @ThekiBoran

    @ThekiBoran

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have the same sized MDF top, it's a full sheet of MDF/devil's wood. I made it about 4 years ago. I used the top from my mft as a template. Accuracywise it's pretty good but not quite what I'd like and it's getting beat up. I just ordered the Parf Guide MII and I'm hoping I can get the same accuracy as others have gotten. I setup the Benchdogs fence and guide rail dogs on my guide rail track and it isn't square. I watched a video about how occasionally the rulers that come with the Parf Guide MII are sometimes not quite true. I'll be checking them carefully before I start making a new top. Why does John call it a 4x2? Because it's easier than saying "hand me that 89mm x 38mm."

  • @lars-sorensen
    @lars-sorensen3 жыл бұрын

    I am not sure if I missed it on the video, but where did you get the fence?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    sautershop.com

  • @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts
    @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts Жыл бұрын

    Hi John, What’s your view on the router table insert etc on the Bosch gts 10 XC From sautershop ?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven't seen it in person Paul, but it could be a tidy space saving option

  • @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts

    @PaulMarlmountWoodcrafts

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed same here John, haven’t seen it in person but viewed a number of u tube presentations, I spoke to Andy Nichol, sauter shop, very helpful, you referred to him in one of your presentations. Regards, Paul

  • @wayneblythe5713
    @wayneblythe57133 жыл бұрын

    Your cheap tool rant is 100% right, better to do without and wait until you can purchase a quality tool that will meet your needs.

  • @projectrebuild908
    @projectrebuild9083 жыл бұрын

    The bench is look amazing. I know you have spent good money on it but will you be looking get TSO accessories for the MFT top.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not sure yet, I have been looking at a couple of options

  • @projectrebuild908

    @projectrebuild908

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed Super exciting. I can't wait to see what direction you go. Is that the last video for the festive period?

  • @leon_mnl
    @leon_mnl3 жыл бұрын

    to give the routed mdf a harder surface , i use ca glue , makes it harder but still workable and screws are more sturdy without threaded inserts

  • @MikeSmithADSRPro
    @MikeSmithADSRPro3 жыл бұрын

    I was always told Buy Shite Buy Twice :)

  • @michaelkelly2691
    @michaelkelly26913 жыл бұрын

    Hi john about the cheap tools part of the vid do u rate dewalt i dont see you with any?

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dewalt make some good stuff I have a few Dewalt tools for my electrical work. My battery tools are all Milwaukee, I used to have all Dewalt battery tools but switched when I was upgrading to Milwaukee because I got a good deal.

  • @michaelkelly2691

    @michaelkelly2691

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed i do like milwaukee but like festool i think they are a little over priced for what your getting for me dewalt are best price range for battery stuf anyway just my 2 cents worth

  • @azza1793
    @azza17933 жыл бұрын

    Bloody hell, i didnt realise how expensive router lifts are. For that money i want Festool printed on it and a sustainer

  • @markchisholm2657
    @markchisholm26573 жыл бұрын

    Not wanting to point it out but I can see you use Milwaukee tools. Basically Ryobi in Red. Both owned and made by Tecktronic Industries of Hong Kong. I'd rather save a few quid and buy the Ryobi - the insides are in most cases the same.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Owned by the same parent company but they are not the same tool, Ryobi would not last long with the use I give my tools everyday on site. The Milwaukee fuel range has taken serious punishment and is still going. Some tools are good for DIY and others are Trade rated.

  • @markchisholm2657

    @markchisholm2657

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed I disagree. I'm a marine Chief Engineer working in the offshore construction industry - possibly the heaviest industry in the world. I've used, abused and broken just about every tool available. And having used tools paid for by rich oil companies - and I've bought hand tools costing over 50k - I use Ryobi mostly myself. I've also got Makita, Bosch pro, and Dewalt. Little difference in overall quality. In fact I have two old Ryobi drills which I've beaten to death for ten years and they are still going strong. I've even got a Ryobi battery of the same vintage that must have been recharged a thousand times over ten years. Still working. Most of all if you do pull open a Milwaukee you will find the same major components in most of their tools. A tool made by the same company in their own factory in the Far East is not going to be radically different simply because that makes no sense from the manufacturing point of view. The same applies to other things like Fluke meters. Regardless of the price of the multi-meter you buy, the actual tool is exactly the same inside. They just disable some functions. AVE did a strip down of a few and they were identical inside despite the price differential being huge.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@markchisholm2657 All I can tell you Is every Ryobi tool I have had I have broken. From drills to grinders to sanders all of them failed. And I have had a few going back to when they used to be dark blue and yellow.

  • @davidanthonyguy167
    @davidanthonyguy1673 жыл бұрын

    Hey John, excellent presentation, my question is? Is that system (router lift and fence available in the US ?)

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure Sauter will ship to the US however the router is 240v

  • 3 жыл бұрын

    Came for the woodworking, stayed for the accent.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome along!

  • @steviecator2108
    @steviecator21083 жыл бұрын

    Still loving the channel John. You've come so far and now you got a genuine recommendation from Mr Peter Parfitt himself. Congrats and keep up the good work

  • @stevehubner560
    @stevehubner5603 жыл бұрын

    Buy once cry once i always say!

  • @attesmatte
    @attesmatte3 жыл бұрын

    Buy quality, cry once! 😁

  • @Tinker1950
    @Tinker19503 жыл бұрын

    How many times was "rant over" mentioned? 😂

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm still ranting lol

  • @misterfee6467
    @misterfee64672 жыл бұрын

    that's not the spindle, that's the router track attachment

  • @misterfee6467

    @misterfee6467

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also router tables and lifts have no place in a professional shop.

  • @Lazer_steak
    @Lazer_steak3 жыл бұрын

    I guess I'm going to jail for rewiring all my arcade machines haha

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    some chancer hope you got me a nice turkey

  • @Lazer_steak

    @Lazer_steak

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed I'm chasing it around the field the last 3 hours lol

  • @maxine2798
    @maxine27982 жыл бұрын

    Buy once, cry once

  • @freespeech2261
    @freespeech22612 жыл бұрын

    Great video but try not to labour your points.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    2 жыл бұрын

    Noted!

  • @robertfleming1153
    @robertfleming11532 жыл бұрын

    Buy once Cry once

  • @stanley626
    @stanley6263 жыл бұрын

    Cheap tools are just not worth buying if you can't afford new better to buy second hand

  • @stanley626

    @stanley626

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks John, as A full time engineer and a part time woodworker I enjoy and appreciate your videos

  • @alexfagundes2544
    @alexfagundes2544 Жыл бұрын

    Look I'm sorry can you send me the name of that company

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    Жыл бұрын

    Sauter Shop

  • @hard2flipdan
    @hard2flipdan3 жыл бұрын

    I see your “hater” (thumbs down every video) is still lurking on your channel. 🤣

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @thetalkingdonkey07
    @thetalkingdonkey073 жыл бұрын

    Photography. I assure you it's worse than Woodworking .....

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can see how that would be true

  • @ajs4x482
    @ajs4x4822 жыл бұрын

    Can I make a suggestion for your videos. Every time you say “as I previously said” or similar, you can edit that and you repeating yourself out. I really want to watch and enjoy your videos but they are way too long because you keep repeating yourself and letting us know you’re repeating yourself.

  • @johnpreston207
    @johnpreston2072 жыл бұрын

    Jesus mate why have you got say everyfooking thing 50 times? Once is plenty.

  • @kieran.stafford
    @kieran.stafford3 жыл бұрын

    For the love of god will you disable those in video popup ads. They are beyond awful, have nothing to do with your channel, annoy the viewer and make you look kinda greedy.

  • @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    @JohnMcGrathManInShed

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can't control the type of add you see that is unique to every viewer, I need the add revenue in order to make these videos, I get paid .065 cent for every add view and only if you watch the add. I only allow skippable adds so you can skip them if you want. So as for being greedy I get paid feck all from youtube and put a lot of time a effort into it.

  • @jlmfoy365

    @jlmfoy365

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMcGrathManInShed don't sit on the fence like this John, tell Mr Stafford straight 😂👏.

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