Nicely and calmly explained Josh. I live in Europe where things are a bit different but still very interesting to see how you do it in the US.

Awesome video, thanks for keeping it short and to the point!

I've done so much electrical work in my house, including running a 30amp subpanel to my toolshed, that I thought I'd be wasting my time watching this video. You gave me a good idea about using individual wires, however. I might go that route.

Thanks for posting. 👍 Nice job.

Yes, you should be using 6 gauge stranded wire, and a Hubbell NEMA 14-50 Industrial outlet, which is built specifically to accommodate the heat generated. Also, the Hubbell doesn’t have screws that press into each wire, and because it’s stranded would cause the wires to spread causing an unstable connection. The Hubbell instead uses hex screws that gather and pull together each wire giving a much more stable connection. This also allows you to better torque each wire to the recommended torque. Finally, the Hubbell is made of a Bakelite material that will withstand the heat without melting. It is also a bit larger than cheaper knockoffs that look the same but are made for appliance connections that are used for much shorter durations and many fewer amps. The other thing to know is that it’s seldom necessary to charge at the highest rate, 48amps, creating the highest heat, but instead charge at 32 amp which gives you about 25 miles per hour of charging and can fully charge overnight and at a cheaper rate. Hope this helps.

@learnserve

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for great info! I used 6-3 wire and BRYANT one and yes this outlet is really sturdy. The 6 gauge wire is really thick and hard to bend, but I used also the torque screw and they are really secure. I see that the breaker also has similar mechanism to secure the wire, though less torque (75 vs 45) Also I used 60A breaker just in case it is used with powerful device later. Hope it goes a long way!

@Tom-dt4ic

5 ай бұрын

@@learnserve Not sure, but that sounds dangerous to me. You want the breaker to be the weakest part of the circuit, not the strongest. You want the breaker to trip before the wires heat up too much. The breaker is there to protect the wires. And your house. The breaker does not determine how much power goes through the wires. The load does. I would suggest you do some more research on this and in the meantime switch to a 50 amp breaker, or lower, pdq.

@michaelgoldberg7759

2 ай бұрын

@@learnserve ​ @learnserve how did yo get the wire to bend? I'm having trouble pulling it through an LB 3/4" . i think i'm going to try some lubricant, but i'd rather not if you have any ideas. I have 6/3 romex

@learnserve

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelgoldberg7759 It's been a while so I don't remember all the details, but I used all of my brain power and arm power to handle that. Especially bending near the socket was hard, yes.

@learnserve

2 ай бұрын

@@Tom-dt4ic hmm. I am not sure why I chose 60amp at that time, but now I see that 50 amp sounds better. My Tesla Y would use up to 32 amp though. (Tesla App says so) I used from Aug until the mid-Apr, and there was no strange issue. I am not sure when I would exchange, but thanks for your suggestion, though.

Nice..can tell it is at the Ocean, beach sand even inside electrical panel.

That is an easy job, if your break is in the garage, its a different story if its in the basement and you have to run the wires for 20 to 30 feet.

You need a GFCI breaker since that outlet is in the garage. If you don't want to spring for a GFCI breaker you can direct wire the level 2 charger instead of using a plug. Get that fixed ASAP. If you have any accident or fire the last thing you want is the insurance company to have an excuse not to pay out a claim due to a electrical code violation.

You made looks easy... Thank you

Did you torque your connections as required?

Thank you

FYI the 50 app plug plug at home depot the very light gauge each you should upgrade it to a commercial plug. They have a lot heavier guts in them that won't melt at high am pridge for long periods of time

@TecumsehMacGuigan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah for the money I am going to save doing this job myself, I am going with the good stuff

@stevebabiak6997

2 жыл бұрын

Not only amperage, but the frequent repeated insertion and removal of the plug causes premature failure in the basic receptacle used in this video. Most residential receptacles aren’t normally subjected to frequent repeated insertion and removal of plugs, just occasional insertion and removal, and a basic receptacle is adequate in that case - but not for EV charging.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! After installing this I realized how many Leviton outlets have caught fire during charging. Yesterday I swapped it out for a Bryant and feel much better about it.

@ronaldnaeyaert3653

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere Hubble or Bryant only for 14-50 plug.

You know what would have been really helpful? A link to Home Depot for all of these parts, even if unavailable for many, would have provided product descriptions for people to use when shopping online.

awesome stuff on your channel definitely need more, getting a new Model Y soon, battery life as always been number 1 concern

@BlakWiseCracker

Жыл бұрын

Hey did you get the Model Y as of yet or were you just playing. 👍🏻

During this installation, does all power via the switchboard need to be switched to an "off" position? Or just the circuit you are working with?

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Sir, ideally, the panel should be turned off and checked deenergized (no power) before any work is started inside the panel. A slip of your screw driver on just a 120 volt line could yield a short circuit in the thousands of amps....vaporize the metal. Gfci are set to trip at about 5 milliamps.to protect you and we are talking thousands her. Also the flash burns and molten metal. So, yes, ideally, no power anywhere in the panel.

Curious, would you be able to use the A/C + Level 2 Charger at the same time? Next question, would you be able to use your A/C + Level 2 Charger + use your microwave at the same time? What does all that depend on? The breaker? The gauge of the wires? Your electric company?

Did you work pass the inspection?

I have a 125/250 V, 30 A, 14-30R outlet in my garage. Will I need to replace my 14-30R outlet for a NEMA 14-50 outlet?

Same outlet for an electric oven as well.

Hi Josh, my inspector requested the breaker is GFCI breaker. I am installed the outlet inside the garage, confuse it.

What’s the chargers cable you are using and how much was it?

Some clarification. It is good that you mention a follow-up and changing the wire and breaker size. A number of comments mention requiring a gfci breaker. This is a code change but not all areas have adopted the change. I am in NC and am not yet required by inspectors to use one. Having said that, they will eventually. The other issue is that Tesla chargers are causing nuisance tripping on gfci breakers so they are trying to find a solution for that. Personally I try to avoid plug in applications and encourage customers to go with hardwired. Cheaper and with higher potential output.

@prosay

10 ай бұрын

I am told that Tesla chargers have built in GFI and this has caused breakers with GFI to trip intermittently. Imagine this happening at night, and you get up to go to work the next day and your vehicle is not charged. My Lexus is a plug in hybrid (NX 450h plus) which is electric and gas powered, so I would be good to go.

@4x2-ev

10 ай бұрын

Most EVSEs have a built in GFCI but you are right that the Tesla seems to have issues. The GFCI breaker is only required for an outlet type install (to protect the outlet) not hardwired. They are talking about a solution that involves using a breaker disconnect in the circuit. Time will tell it that solves the issue. @@prosay

All outlets in garages are required to be GFCI protected. My understanding is that the unit can only rely upon the internal GFCI protections of the charger if it is hardwired - avoiding the plug in. Otherwise, with a plugin it needs to have a GFCI 2 pole breaker, at substantial expense. Is that not being enforced in you area?

@jokra3870

2 жыл бұрын

That rule only depends on if your city/state is requiring you to use the 2020 nec. Places like California are still on 2017 until next year.

@jokra3870

2 жыл бұрын

However he did oops as you are supposed to use wire based on 60c temp rating so he should of actually used 6awg for hots and neutral and 8 for ground. Though thhn thwn is rated at 50 you are supposed to use the lowest rating on 310.15(b)(16). Ev chargers are also considered a continuous load so technically he should of calculated that tid bit.

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

@@jokra3870 Jo, please check this "unchanged" article in the 2020 NEC .... 625.54. ELECTRIC VEHICLE POWER TRANSFER SYSTEMS. It requires a gfci protected outlet for car chargers. The big change for 2020 was they added the garage requirement if applicable in 210.8 Thank you

@jokra3870

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithharrington8715 I'll check that thanks.

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Sir, more to the point,, NEC article 625.54 (car charging) requires the recepticle for charging be gfci protected. It does not mention hard wiring.....good call.

I believe I saw the battery capacity at 33,000 watts. Charger efficiency may be 90% becomes 36,6666 watts input? The 50 amp charging input at 235V average is 11,750Watts. That suggests just over 3 hours for a full charge? What does Tesla do, to charge in 30 minutes as I see on long trip recharge stations?

@jay9308

2 жыл бұрын

This type of 14-50 charging set up is limited to a 10kW continuous load. Level 3 chargers (fast chargers) supply up to 150kW of DC directly to the battery so there is no inverter needed.

are you using pvc pipe schedule 40 or 80 ?

Nice what about a charge point home?

I had my Lectron V Box installed yesterday. Step 2 charging on a 40AMP circuit. I wish I knew electrical engineering because I could have saved money.

Great stuff. Only 1 question: I thought for 50A 6 AWG if Copper and 4 AWG if Aluminum is required. In your case its just a few feet but still.

@sethhayes8884

Жыл бұрын

Yea this isn’t for 50 amp setup! Good way to get homeowners a really fantastic home Electrical fire! 🔥

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Yes, 6 AWG should be used. In fact, I just upgraded this outlet to it yesterday. It was technically still ok as both the breaker and outlet were rated to 75C (good for 50A with 8 AWG), but ideally, the 60C wiring column should be used, requiring 6 AWG. I've released a follow-up video addressing this issue: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYiIks-khtSTaNY.html

@josephaparisi

Жыл бұрын

6ga wire for 50 amp, only, this is a fire hazard, please 🙏 fix asap

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

I already have. Technically it was ok as the breaker and outlet are rated to 75C. If you watch my update video on this, you'll see that I have been using an industrial outlet rated at 60C. Because of this, I've either switched to 6 AWG or used a 40A breaker.

@panchopantera8287

Жыл бұрын

@@josephaparisi 48AMP CONTINOUS LOAD X 125% 3 HOURS OR MORE # 60AMP BREAKER- OVERCURRENT PROTECTION.

What if I don’t have my outlet outside of my house?

What's the reason for using 3 conductor wires and a 14-50 instead of 2 hots and a 6-50? Just because you already had an EVSE with that plug?

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is the main reason. Nearly all EVSEs of 32A or higher use a 14-50, so it gives you maximum flexibility for the future.

@jdshaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere Makes sense. Thanks!

question... if i have the mobile connector with the nema 14-50 converter coonnected to a 240v outlet...does the mobile connector now become a level 2 charger or is it still level 1?

@Rick24.

9 ай бұрын

Still level 1

Wait. So these wires are exactly what you’d get in the 6 gauge? I have a further route but I’m getting charged a lot. That looked very Do able. Great vid

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

They are thinner, but the insulation is rated to a higher temperature, which allows a higher current rating. The wire I used is rated to 55A, but make sure to check the rating of the wire you use. Also, if your run is very long you may need a larger gauge to prevent voltage drops. There are some online calculators that can help with these calculations.

@freedivided2221

2 жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere awesome thanks for this

Licensed electrician in TX here! Job looks great!

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Hey brother, please review 2020 NEC article 625. It looks like the breaker is wrong....gfci required.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

@@keithharrington8715 Yes. However, we are fortunately still on 2017. I say fortunately since EVSEs are known to trip GFCI breakers due to interference with the GFCI in the charger. The last thing I want is to wake up without a full tank of electrons if it trips off in the middle of the night. Obviously, this does raise some additional shock concerns on the outlet itself.

@keithharrington8715

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere this is a requirement that was unchanged in the 2020 code. Yeah! Required in 2017 or earlier. 625.54 I think.

I have a 14 bmw i3, I’m going to install a 240v in my garage with a 32 amp breaker, a 32 amp receptacle, with 8 gauge wiring so I can charge my car, I’m I on the right path?

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Luis, please connect with a local electrician if only for the knowledge. The code allows each building department To make adjustments to the codes. Also there is a code section just for car charging 625.

NEC 625.54 requires the receptacle outlet to be GFCI protected.

So, #8 THHN can be used with a 50 a amp breaker? 1) But, does the 14-50 outlet have a thermal rating less than the wire? If so, then shouldn't an outlet thermal rating decide on the wire thermal rating? 2) Also, I have a smart QPQ outlet charger (haven't installed it yet) CAPABLE of up to 48 amp charging. But, from the NEMA 14-50 outlet plug, it has #8 conductors & a #10 ground going to the charger body. I don't know what the wire size is going from the charger body to the charger plug that is inserted into the EV. So, is this dangerous since this charger is capable of charging UP TO 48 AMPS and is advertised as doing that?! It seems to me that to be safe, I should limit my charging on the sliding scale of the QPQ app to 40 amps and not 48 amps? What do ya'all think out there? I did buy a Bryant 14-50 outlet. And I live in TN where TN is still on the NEC 2017, so no GFCI 50 amp breaker yet required.

Don’t use Leviton Nematode 14-50, use industrial grade.

What about a pvc tubing cutter?

My house is old, and has no garage, but I want to get a used electric car, I have a 220 outlet in the backyard but it's over 35 ft away from the driveway, so I was thinking because of the videos like this, maybe I could upgrade the 110 outlet from a room that has a window that is closer to the driveway where the distance between the outlet and electric car could be as low as 5ft, but how do I know my home can handle the 220 minisplit I have to run all night in the summertime, and also be charging the car? (I live in Las Vegas and we all use air conditioning from May through mid September mosf of the time from 6PM until 5 AM because it's still an average of 84 degrees even at night)

Holy undersized wire gage, Batman. When the garage burns down, they'll blame the batteries in the car and initiate a recall.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

8awg THHN is rated to 50amps at 75C, which is the temperature the breaker and outlet are rated at. You are correct that 6awg would be better overall.

@oldfredbear

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere I mean you keep saying that, but there's not a wire sizing guide out there that supports it. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

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@ShermNE

Ай бұрын

50A breaker runs at 40amps max. 40amp requires 6 awg wire for applications that run for more than one hour. The Leviton connector is garbage. Must upgrade to Hubbel industrial rated connector.

GFCI breaker is required for NEMA 14-50?

@pinkiepie1656

9 ай бұрын

Yes, but it doesn't play well with an EV charger. That's why we don't use them.

How did you test the EFLI for this large 50A circuit

Hi Josh - great video but you might want to double check the amperages. Normally 6 gauge wire is for 50amps and 8 gauge wire is for 40 amps. A NEMA 14-50 outlet can actually be used either on a 50amp or 40 amp circuit (since there is no such thing as a NEMA 14-40 outlet), but you might consider swapping out the 50amp breaker for a 40 amp breaker. If your level 2 charger is pulling a straight 40 amps (80% of 50 amps) instead of 32 amps (80% of 40 amps) I would suggest pointing a laser thermometer at different components of the circuit (breaker / wires / outlet / etc) after the car has been charging at full power for an hour or so to see if any part of the circuit is overheating to a concerning level.

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Patrick. You are correct that 6 gauge is typically required for 50 amps. However, the THHN 90C wire I used it is rated up to 55Amps at 8 gauge. A caveat to this would be accounting for voltage drop on very long runs.

@mdrudholm

2 жыл бұрын

When using NM-B ("Romex") you'd want to use 6 gauge for 50A and 8 gauge for 40A.

@BluCappy419

2 жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere careful reading that ampacity chart, you can only use the 90° rating if the terminals at the breaker and the device are also rated at 90°. You have to use the rating of the lowest part of the assembly when calculating your ampacity. If it's not marked on the device you are to assume the terminals are rated at 60°.

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

@@BluCappy419 Thanks for pointing this out. I’m planning an update video to address some things I didn’t consider. Both the breaker and outlet used are rated to 75C but this is something I didn’t fully appreciate.

@ridingwithryan1507

2 жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere As a new Tesla owner and apprentice Electrician the two gentleman above are correct. Undersized wire is a fire hazard. You did great, just re-do that with 6awg

Shouldn't it have been size 6 wire for 50amps?

@pld8993

Жыл бұрын

No, #8THHN rated for 55A

wait.. so in NA your earth wire is allowed to be thinner than the hot conductor?

@GregHassler

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Once you get larger than 10awg on the conductors this is the case. EV charge cables are typically this way too.

Our team is designing and manufacturing a new level 2 EV charger, can you give us some good suggestions? The development of electric vehicle charging station is inseparable from your support.

I don't even own an ev, but it was an interesting watch anyways!

The hot leads and the neutral needs to be 6 AWG and and the ground needs to be 8 AWG

8 gauge wire under 50A breaker ?

@nghiaho535

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is a wrong setup 🙂

@coastcoast2227

Жыл бұрын

thhn has a rating of 90c but breakers are rated at 70c. going by 70c #* thhn is good for 50. Romex #8 cable is rated for 60c=40amp

Links please

So im hearing if I use a GFCI breaker...there will be nuisance tripping?

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that can be an issue. It’s crazy that the new codes requiring it have corresponded with everyone wanting to use 14-50s for EV charging. The charger should have built in GFCI, making a breaker redundant - as long as you are plugged in. The two GFCI systems can interact and trip which seems to be the primary issue.

@tablespoon888

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere So my customer has only a plug in charger ( no hard wire option) for his New mini cooper...I am a licensed electrician , but haveing my first experiences with EV chargers, ..The charger is going outside, not in garage...So instead of installing a receptacle on the house with GFCI protection wich may nuisance trip, I may elect to run to a PVC junction box ..take the plug off charger ( may technically void charger warranty and run into a UL listing kinda code violation) and run it into junction box...essentially hard wireing it and avoiding nuisance trips and exposing people to unprotected recepticle outside. Then I can sleep at night. Unless I talk them into buying a charger that can be hard wired like the Tesla.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Hard wiring is the way to go - especially for exterior use. There are some decent permanent chargers at prices down to about $400. My colleague has an Emporia unit and seems happy with it. This also has some smart features, which may be attractive to your customer. Another inexpensive option is a Grizzl-E (~$460), but this is a dumb charger. While both have plugs on them, typically, it is not a problem - and even manufacturer recommended - to replace the input cord stub with your conduit and hard wires. If they had a hardwired option they could throw their mobile connector into the trunk for emergencies and if they are visiting someone out of town.

@tablespoon888

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere well the code is actually protecting to outside receptacle from anyone being shocked ....the code isn't concerned about the charger or cord.. This same stuff has been happening my whole career...when GFCI came out..and then Arc fault..now car chargers... One situation ends up contradicting another...let's go back to knob and tube..no ground...lol

@somethingelsehere8089

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere There's a smart version of the Grizzl-E as well. More $ obviously.

Where is the pvc glue?

Hmm. Wrong wire, wrong breaker, careful folks…

Installing the outlet isn't the problem, it's getting power to it from a panel 100' away through walls and one level. Good video nonetheless!

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. I’ve done my fair share of long runs, but no videos on that so far.

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

A long run adds some interesting concerns. Some ev chargers have tight voltage tolerances requiring "voltage drop" considerations. This is generally solved by up-sizing the wire (#6 wire to #4 wire as an example). Most electrical workers are not buttheads for perfection. They want the job done right to protect everyone. I expect any moron can put a wire under a screw and tighten it down. Making sure it is the correct wire and the correct screw is the important part. So please consider a 6-pack, case, or meal as part of your job to get the knowledge you need to get it done correctly. Good luck.

Funny how when the socket is installed 'correctly' with ground lug on top, the writing is upside down. I guess Leviton is the only one who does this.

@davelariviere682

Жыл бұрын

Yes this is a Leviton ‘thing’ 🤷‍♂️

8 gauge is to small for 50 amps. Should be 6 guage. Also garage outlets should be GFI protected.

@BKD1966

2 жыл бұрын

The wire he used is 90 degree. You're numbers are 60 degree.

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Great call. 210.8 is gfci for garage plugs. What so many miss is NEC section 625 for car chargers. 625.54 requires a gfci because it is for car charging.

@GregHassler

Жыл бұрын

This is THHN not NM/Romex

@keithharrington8715

Жыл бұрын

@@GregHassler yes, but the rating of the circuit breaker terminal connection is normally 60 degrees cel. Unless other wise rated.. 2020 nec.110.14.(C). and 2020 nec 110.14.(C).(1). this puts the wire connected to the circuit breaker under the 60 degree rating no matter the insulation used: NM, thwn, thhn, whatever......60 degree column. If I got this wrong, let me know, please.

@tablespoon888

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't 310-16 tell us that #8 wire is good for 50amp?

My breaker box is on the exterior of my house on the furthest side from my garage. I think I'll use an electrician.

Your install is not code compliant. The breaker feeding the charger must be GFCI protected. #8 is rated for 50 amps but the cheap residential receptacle you used is not rated for continuous use and is a major cause of fires in EV charger set ups. The best receptacle on the market for plug in EV chargers is the Hubbell, which is rated heavy duty rated for continuous use.

@pinkiepie1656

9 ай бұрын

That's the nice thing about DIY. Screw code. I'm interested in installing a safe and functional EV charger. I dont care if it's 100% to code.

@pld8993

7 ай бұрын

@@pinkiepie1656 Just because it works that doesn't mean it's correct or safe.

Ncie Job, but NOT TWO PHASE. :) the 220 is just a single (1) phase. 120 is one hot to neutral, and the 240 is the hot to hot.

@somethingelsehere8089

Жыл бұрын

Yep, agreed. Two legs, but not two phases.

Torque, Torque, Torque

My only problem with the video, you didn't verify you did the job right by testing it. Always check, for anyone reading you'll get 120v on one side X and 120v on the other side Y using your multimeter.

I want to replace a 120 with a 240, can I use the same wiring?

@keithharrington8715

2 жыл бұрын

Luis, probably not. Most 120 vac wire runs are 15 or 20 Amp runs. Most 240 or 250 ac runs pull or draw more current than that. Under sized wire for the current draw can create both a local shock hazard and a fire hazard.

@LarsDennert

Жыл бұрын

Yes #12 wire on a dedicated! circuit can be converted to a 6-20 outlet with a dual pole 20a GFCI breaker and marking the white at both ends to a load color such as black or red. You could also hard wire it and use a non GFCI. This would be good for 4kwh at 16a 240v.

Neutral wire are is required in EV charger - 240 Volts?...

@GregHassler

Жыл бұрын

Generally neutral isn't used, but the NEMA 14-50 receptacle has a neutral and it somehow became the defacto standard plug for EVSEs.

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

There are some NEMA 6-50 EVSEs out there, but they are much less common. The 6-50 does not have a neutral. I would hazard a guess that a 14-50 for EV charging could be wired without the neutral, but that’s getting a bit sketchy as the outlet should be wired properly.

50 amp service, 6 gage wire, not 8 gage

@erichchan3

2 жыл бұрын

8 gauge wire is fail.

@pld8993

Жыл бұрын

@@erichchan3 Incorrect, #8 THHN is rated for 55A.

@pld8993

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect, #8 THHN is rated for 55A.

Turn off the main feed to your box first please before any of this.

HIRE AN LICENSED ELECTRICIAN! I had a charging station added to my garage. My electrician attach my Charge Point EV station with ALL metal parts. I repeat, all the parts were metal ( NO PLASTIC PARTS). He then refuse to use a Home Depot bought receptacle. He used a electrical supply store, $100 Hubbell receptacle. He explain this is the best in the industry and why go cheap when you spent $70,000 on a vehicle. He later brought me a video of a house fire from one of those cheaper receptacle. The owners insurance company challenged the claim because they used a unlicensed handyman and questionable big box store parts. Spend the money, people.

I watched your video…… Please buy a fire extinguisher !

Need GFCI breaker

@chargeeverywhere

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps. Here we are still on the 2017 NEC. GFCI breakers are known to not play well with the GFCI in some EVSEs.

Yeah, PVC glue is only for sniffing. I like people just give bad advices on KZread. Job failed, pay for reinspection.

As long as that box is leveled thats all that matters who cares if the wires melt 😭

If you are not comfortable, just wear some 2KV insulating gloves.

Only portable or readily-removable (no tool necessary) EV chargers are allowed to use a recep. If it is mounted to the wall, must be hardwired.

8 AWG is not rated for 50 AMPs. 6 AWG is rated for 50 amps.

1. You should glue the conduit. I know it won't come apart the way you have installed it, but it's still poor work 2. A 14-50 outlet requires a 2 pole GFCI code to meet code and pass inspection. 3. Electrical supply needs to be checked for adequate capacity before installing extra circuits. 4. Please don't give 'expert' electrical how to advice without actually knowing what you are doing. Not only is this somewhat reckless, it is potentially leaving you liable for somebody burning their house down. An inspection before releasing your video would have caught all your errors.

@beachbumlife

2 жыл бұрын

No one cares

@baivabmitra376

2 жыл бұрын

Good God! He did a fantastic job. Get a life

@pictsidhe6471

2 жыл бұрын

@@baivabmitra376 He gave 'expert' advice on an electrical installation that would fail an inspection. Electrical work needs to be done properly, for damn good reason. Get it wrong, people die, houses burn down. That's not exaggerating. If this was baking a cake or gardening advice, nobody should be too upset. But it isn't. I fix dangerous work all the time, mostly by amateurs who think they are experts as they read something somewhere or watched something on KZread. Your response indicates that you are one of those 'experts', rather than somebody who actually knows how to do electrical work.

@baivabmitra376

2 жыл бұрын

@@pictsidhe6471 FYI - I am an electrical engineer and worked across 3 countries handling even 3-phase and once even at a nuclear power station. What surprised me with your answer is what I see ONLY with US taught electricians. They LOVE to quote NEC, they LOVE to say the word "inspection". At everything. When questioned 90% of them fail to explain themselves since to certify most did 1 thing - memorize the code. I get it that the guy whose video we're commenting on - has mistakes, has issues but at least he is trying to do it himself. I re-watched it and frankly I have seen 100 times worse and those remained operational for +50 years and here what he did : chances of that scary stuff you mention like burning the house down : c'mon man!

@baivabmitra376

2 жыл бұрын

Permit me to say this: GLUE? Again when I asked electrician they quoted me NEC. But guess what many countries where very cold their code actually says NOT to GLUE? Why? Leave it to you..... Next supply need to be checked for adequ.... blah-blah: again a rather over-arching comment and nothing to do with what he is showing. Finally a 14-50R 2-pole and GFCI?????? Really ???? For what? If it was that critical someone (Leviton, etc.) would have made already a GFCI 2 pole 14-50R outlet! I even called my inspector who said - never heard of it. Called Tesla and Nissan dealerships and they also never heard of this requirement. NONE of these can cause a house to burn down. In fact for a new circuit with new breaker his 1st. few minutes rambling about switching off the mains is not required. The inside is very well protected and with common sense its perfectly okay to work with live current.

You should just take the video down, since you gave an update

That garage has some sloppy wiring and by seeing your hack work installing a charger plug, I know why. When using PVC in electrical, use PVC glue. Sch 40 is made to go underground. Sch 80 can be used above ground like in what you did.

This 50 amp needs a 6 gauge wiring or this is a giant fire hazard if I were you I would replace treplace the wiring immediately if there happened to be an issue even the insurance company would investigate and find this video and not cover the loss

@pld8993

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect, #8 THHN is rated for 55A.

I wonder if this will effect the rolling black outs I have been hearing about in the southwest ?? Millions and millions of people charging overnight ......

Not EV outlets! Should be #6 for 50 amp.

wait this is all what they are charging up to $1500 for, wtf lol?

No No No No wall charge plugs or module. Clealing Install Pull rope down for plug cable to the EvCar charge port Unplug and release the plug and cable to ceiling. So Never ever have a 240v plug / charger on a wall Clealing install the plug / cable with spring / bungi cord with pull down rope or ribbon for a pull-down plug / cable.

@dallas69

Жыл бұрын

Neve Ever 240v cable 240v plug 240v charge on a wall. Put all that junk up and away and sring or bungi cord plug dord down to EvCar EvTruck.

8 gauge is not the proper code for 50 amps. Huge fire risk! You need a 6 gauge wire.

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

That is correct for Romex. However, the THHN I used has higher temp insulation which allows it to handle up to 55A.

@pictsidhe6471

2 жыл бұрын

THHN is rated to 55A, though I've never pulled it in PVC.

@jay9308

2 жыл бұрын

@@pictsidhe6471 #8 THHN is rated for 50amps at 75deg C. No issue with installing it in PVC. The wire terminations most likely rated for 75deg C (breaker and the receptacle). #8 romex would be limited to 40amps because its only 60deg C.

@pictsidhe6471

2 жыл бұрын

@@jay9308 No, THHN is rated at 55A at 90C

@jay9308

2 жыл бұрын

@@pictsidhe6471 correct, but this application would limit the #8 thhn to 75 degrees because of the breaker terminals and outlet terminals being rated 75 degrees.

Do not use a NEMA 14-50 residential recepticle! It's not rated for 100% duty cycle. Too many house fires result in this application. Use a Hubbell commercial rated recepticle instead. This is why DIYers shouldn't do this install.

@chargeeverywhere

2 ай бұрын

I’ve swapped all of mine out and have a video on just this. I’ve heard many stories of professional electricians having used these cheaper receptacles.

I hope you don't cause many fires. Tesla recommends 6 gauge wire. And you're using a shitty $10.00 outlet. You need to use a Hubble or Bryant $50 outlet. Penny wise and pound foolish.

Wrong, the offset is to accommodate the distance between the KO or The Knockout and the wall because the conduit needs a strap on it I don't care how short it is it needs to have an anchor within 12 in of the box of any box whether it's longer than a foot or shorter than a foot there must be at least one within 12 in of a box that allows you to strap the conduit tight and snug to the wall well still meeting the clearance from the edge of the Knockout to the conduit connector. And also, reaming conduit although a wise practice has been banned in some areas such as in san fransisco. . . . I know, it does not add up! Like most everything they require, such as not one but two grounding rods 10 foot length, not less than six feet apart, and not more than seven feet apart. . . Full of themselves at s.f. city hall!!