Installing a good neighbor / shadow box fence
This is a tutorial on installing a good neighbor / shadowbox fence
First the advantages:
* Same on both sides so neighbors like it
* Adds visual contrast so is more aesthetic over solid wall of fencing
*Framing uses exposed post same height as fence boards so height is easier to set.
*Framing uses centered 2x4 for rail can use fence rail bracket so no toe nailing and is on narrow edge so less bowing.
Disadvantages:
* Can see through when close
*More Expensive as more fence pickets used.
Installation:
To install posts keep about 7'8" apart so 2x4's reach or (8' on center) square and fill holes with concrete. Cut at same height as fence pickets to get the height position a picket next to the post and mark then double check with string spanning 2 cut posts. Cut on mark using skill saw on 2 sides sand top if necessary. Next you add Simpson strong tie fence rail brackets for 2x4 rails centered 2 per post by measuring from the top 12 and 60 inches down to the middle top of the bracket. If you wish to use 3 rails per section (as some recommend) use 3 brackets on each side at 12, 36 and 60 inches from top. For pickets first one is flush to post then spaced the same as the width of a level or 2 and 3/16 inches put one screw in top till bottom is spaced and screwed in then add 2nd screws to top and bottom of the picket. For the other side start with partial picket make sure boards end up centered on other side opening. For gate: a square of 2x4's is made with top and bottom pieced notched the width of a 2x4. screw in from top and bottom with 3 inch screws. Position a diagonal under square frame and mark then cut on lines and tow nail screws in.
Thank you for watching please like and subscribe if it helped you: If you have any questions please feel free to ask them.
Sincerely John.
Parts used in video w/cost:
3 boxes Deckmate screws 5 lb 2 inch 9 gauge box for pickets and framing , 5 lb 1 5/8 inch 9 gauge for pickets and framing, and 1 lb 3 inch 9 gauge for gate. 5 lb box was 35.00 each.
Redwood pickets 3/4" x 5.5" x 6' , 24 needed on each 7' 8" section (posts are 8' on center). Cost was 4.25 each.
Pressure treated posts 4"x4"x 8' (brown ones) calculate as 1 per section since their shared. Cost was 17.00 each
Pressure treated rails 2x4x8" (brown ones) 2 per section are used in video but 3 is common. Cost was 10.00 each
Simpson strong tie galvanized fence rail bracket for 2x4 part FBZMA 4 per section cost was .55 each.
Concrete premix 60 lb bag 4.00 each 1 bag per two holes.
Adding up: Each 8 foot section ( including post width) was about 160.00 after tax for materials board fee and screws.
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Thanks for taking the time to make a video on Shadowbox fences installation. Perfect timing. I am building this type fence for the 2nd time(for a neighbor). The 1st time was in the "pre youtube era" (before 2005) so I had to wing it. Thanks to youtube and guys like you, I now can get ideas from people across the globe and incorporate the look I want based on different fencing techniques. I appreciate you greatly...and youtube for inventing this platform.
Nice looking fence. Need to flip your door angle piece the other way though if you don’t want it to sag. If it goes the other way it will work against sagging, right now it will cause it to sag.
@nickhansen144
Жыл бұрын
good point, nice find
Great job! Thank you for sharing
Fantastic Video thank you so much ⭐️
Thanks, this was great.
Very nice video. And an artistic beautiful fence.
@johnhilbrands3274
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
Sweet!
I've been doing fences for a few years now. Doing my first shadow box tomorrow. Not going to lie, I'm nervous
I think the diagonal support on the gate is supposed to be going the other direction? Diagonal down toward the lower hinge, diagonal up toward the upper lock? Lock Upper hinge \ [ | ] \ \ \ \ \ [ | ] Lower hinge Looks beautiful.
@johnhilbrands3274
3 жыл бұрын
Yes your right I looked it up and they say it moves the weight to the frame. I had thought it lifts the bottom edge up and supports it better the way I did it. Oh well I'm not sure how much a difference it will make it is a rather narrow door with pickets on both sides and diagonal holding it square and leaning on a 4x4 at the hinges. But good to point out for others thank you.
@captmack007
2 жыл бұрын
You are correct top swinging outer down to lower hinge it's a huge error otherwise. It's tension vs compress . many vid on it on utube. I bought a house with sagging double driveway gates and that's why they sag. Its on my list.
Random comment, in my opinion the wasps love the gaps between the fences. That's really the only con for the good neighbor shadowbox fence.
@roland5599
Жыл бұрын
Watch out for the beeeeesssss!!!!!!! great point though, I bet that would be an issue.
The other con is that is really hard to use different hinges for the gate and also for the latch.
I measured the nail holes level across the fence to give a very neat appearance. I guess it isn’t necessary because nobody else seems to care.
Just wish we had those style post here. Only have pine pressure treated.
@johnhilbrands3274
Жыл бұрын
The posts are listed as Brown Stain Ground Contact Pressure-Treated Lumber and the description says from western wood species (probably all soft western woods pine fir spruce...) It says treated with Copper azole treatment. They were purchased from home depot in California and are currently priced at 17.60 each if that helps. Good luck with your project.
What length screws did you use for installing the bracket on the 4x4 and on the 2x4. Also, did you have any issues with the bottom screw and the lower screw on the bracket going into the 2x4 hitting each other?
@johnhilbrands3274
3 жыл бұрын
I used the 2 inch going into the 4x4 it is a 9 gauge so fits tight but it is strong. Going into the 2x4 I used the 1 5/8 9 gauge. The bracket has the holes offset on the sides and screws don't hit each other I imagine the bottom hole is as well since I never noticed it hitting.
Why is so hard to find the style of fence that I have whereby the boards are slanted overlapping so you can't see through the fence at all. The top and bottom rail (2x4's) has a groove that encases the very ends of the boards. The boards sit inside the groove in the 2x4. Anyone know what this design is called?
Where did you buy bulk pickets?Home centers and local fence company's are telling me no sale on em.
@johnhilbrands3274
3 жыл бұрын
I first bought from home depot to get started then when I went back they were all out of redwood. So I called around J and W lumber said they had some in another city and would have them in 3 days. Cost was about .25 more per board. I parked next to the boards and they loaded them and unlike Home depot every board was nice so definitely recommend them. I do know there are some lumber shortages right now good luck.
Hi, I'd like to know what diameter deck screw you used, because my simpson strong tie bracket comes with 4 little holes in it, and the screws I have are too large to fit through any of those predrilled holes in the bracket. What size deck screw will actually fit through those predrilled holes? Thanks so much!
@johnhilbrands3274
Жыл бұрын
You can open my description with a computer and see a lot of written information so most questions are answered there. It is a size 9 gauge. they do fit but are tight also the head doesn't countersink but keep in mind that a thinner screw would be weaker.
Did you have to drill hole first before using screws. They won’t split the wood?
@johnhilbrands3274
3 жыл бұрын
No not necessary.
Hi John, are your screws #6 or #8?
@johnhilbrands3274
3 жыл бұрын
The ones I used are 9 gauge. They barely fit the bracket holes and their heads stuck out a bit but it would be worse to push through or break if they were thinner so since they worked and were strong and coated I think the 1-5/8 # 9 deckmate are great for this purpose.
My fucking dude you help me out so much my guy great video👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 thank you my friend
brackets are 0.78 now :/
@tedavant6753
Жыл бұрын
88 cents now
I thought this was a good video to reference for the fence I built. Then he gets to his gate, and it was at this point he lost all credibility to me. The diagonal support brace on the gate is backwards. It should always be from the bottom of the hinge side to the top side of the latch side. Else it doesn't do jack diddly.
@bryanreid3130
Ай бұрын
Not here to knock this video but you’re exactly right. It’s astonishing how many builders don’t understand physics. I see far too many gates built incorrectly by “professionals.” I’d be ashamed to put my name plate on some of these fence projects